AMA #11: Improve Task Switching & Productivity and Reduce Brain Fog
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In this Ask Me Anything episode, Andrew Huberman addresses the challenges of task switching and productivity, distinguishing between cognitive flexibility—the ability to change types of mental operations—and task switching itself, which involves shifting attention between specific tasks at set intervals. Huberman explains that the prefrontal cortex is responsible for directing focus in a context-dependent manner, allowing individuals to engage in subject-specific behaviors like math versus history class rules. He notes that while many people struggle with dropping into deep focus quickly due to high interest or novelty, they often face greater difficulty disengaging from one task and switching to another immediately after finishing it. This phenomenon is exacerbated by the expectation of instant attentional shifts, which ignores the biological reality that neural circuits require time to deactivate previous activities and activate new ones. To improve efficiency in transitioning between tasks, Huberman advocates for introducing deliberate transition gaps rather than expecting immediate focus on a new activity. He suggests that even if one was only superficially engaged in a light task like checking emails, a brief pause is beneficial; however, if deeply entrenched in a cognitively demanding "deep trench of attention," individuals should allow themselves 5 to 10 minutes for the transition. Crucially, during these intervals—ranging from as short as 60 seconds up to several minutes—one must avoid introducing new information streams such as checking phones or scrolling social media. These digital distractions act as additional tasks that anchor attention and disrupt the necessary process of clearing previous neural activity before engaging with a subsequent task like reading a book or working on taxes. Huberman introduces a specific perceptual exercise designed to train the brain's ability to shift between different time domains, which is essential for effective task switching. This practice involves shifting visual focus from immediate bodily sensations (with eyes closed) to nearby objects and then progressively further distances until looking at the horizon, holding each focal point for roughly 5 to 15 seconds before moving on. The underlying mechanism relies on the relationship between where one focuses their vision and how finely or coarsely they "slice" time; focusing close up creates a fine-sliced perception of time, while distant focus alters this temporal processing. By regularly practicing these shifts in visual attention, individuals can accelerate the brain's ability to transition neural circuits required for different tasks, effectively shortening the subjective feeling of lag when switching from one activity to another. Ultimately, Huberman concludes that successful task management requires managing expectations and utilizing simple structural tools rather than relying on willpower alone. He recommends limiting daily critical cognitive tasks to a small list—often just three items—to reduce unnecessary context switching between high-demand activities while allowing routine behaviors like commuting or exercising to function through automaticity. While he acknowledges the extreme example of chess boxing as an illustration of forced task switching, his practical advice focuses on low-cost strategies such as counting down during transitions and avoiding digital interruptions in those windows. By consciously designing these transition periods and practicing perceptual exercises that calibrate time perception, individuals can significantly reduce brain fog and enhance their overall productivity without needing pharmaceutical interventions or supplements.
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I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor
of neurobiology and ophthalmology at
Stanford School of Medicine.
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without further ado, let's get to
answering your questions. The first
question is about task switching. And
the specific question is,
is there a way to get better at task
switching?
Well, task switching is an incredibly
interesting topic. It's something that
plagues many people. That is, a lot of
people have challenges with task
switching. It's also a topic that people
will often confuse with cognitive
flexibility.
So, all of us, well, unless it's been
removed, have an area of our brain
called the prefrontal cortex. The words
prefrontal cortex actually refers to a
fairly varied real estate within the
human brain. So, it's not one area of
the human brain. Prefrontal cortex
actually includes a lot of different
subdivisions that do different things in
the context of cognition and directing
action, withholding action, these kinds
of things. But, one of the main
functions of the prefrontal cortex is
that, when it's working well, it allows
us to direct our focus and our
cognition, our thinking,
in a context-dependent way. So,
one of the simplest ways to describe
this is that when you took math in high
school, or if you're still taking math,
your brain had to carry out certain
types of cognitive operations that were
very different than the types of
cognitive operations that you need to
carry out in your history class or your
social studies class.
But, there were some features of all
three of those classes that were the
same in the sense that, presumably, you
had to sit in a chair for all of those
classes. You followed a certain set of
rules that pertain to all three of those
different classes, even though they're
different subjects. But, then there were
certain rules that pertain just to
mathematics. Certain rules that you
followed because a particular teacher
was strict, not because of the topic
they were covering, as well as certain
rules that maybe you did not pay
attention to because a different teacher
was a little more lax. For instance,
maybe there was a teacher that let you
put your feet up on the chair in front
of you. Maybe another teacher forbid
that at all costs. The point being that
your prefrontal cortex is the area of
your brain that, along with other areas
of your brain, ensures that you engage
in context-specific
behavior, context-specific thinking, and
context-specific
understanding about what you should and
should not do. Now, cognitive
flexibility is similar in the sense that
it describes your ability to switch the
types of cognitive operations, as the
name suggests,
depending on what sorts of things you're
trying to learn or understand. And it's
a lot more extensive than that. In fact,
we will probably do an entire episode
all about both cognitive flexibility and
perhaps even a separate episode on task
switching. But, task switching is
somewhat distinct from cognitive
flexibility. First of all, task
switching requires cognitive
flexibility, but they are not the same
thing.
Now, when we talk about task switching,
or rather when you see task switching in
the scientific literature,
most often it has to do with people
performing one
particular type of mental or physical
operation.
Let us say they are they're maneuvering
things with their hands or other parts
of their body.
Or they are required to carry out one
specific type of mental process.
And then they are required either at
random intervals or at specific
intervals, maybe every 10 minutes or so,
to switch their attention and to do a
different task entirely.
Now, in the laboratory experiment
situation, this is most typically been
carried out the following way. People
are going to do one cognitive task.
Maybe mathematics or they're going to
count, for instance,
from one up to
infinity, as high as they can go in a
given amount of time, in increments of,
say, seven or increments of seven plus
one then seven minus one. So, these can
be made increasingly difficult. You get
the idea. And then perhaps a tone is
played or they'll get a signal from the
experimenter and then they need to
switch their task to doing something
quite different, but also cognitive.
That's the most typical arrangement. Or
another typical arrangement in a task
switching experiment is that the
subject, the person in the task
switching experiment, will be asked to
do some sort of physical manipulation of
objects, maybe placement of puzzle
pieces into the correct configuration.
Then, at some designated interval or
intervals, they will have to switch to a
different manual task. Fewer, not zero,
but fewer experiments have examined task
switching between physical
and cognitive tasks. Okay? Now, there
are these kind of outrageous examples
that you can find on the internet. And
by the way, I don't suggest that anyone
go engage in these examples in real life
of kind of extreme task switching. One
of the most notable ones would be chess
boxing. Believe it or not, this exists
where uh two people will enter a ring
and they will sit down at a table and
they will play chess for a given period
of time. So, they're entirely focused on
playing chess. Then a buzzer will go
off, the chess table will be cleared,
the chairs will be cleared, and they
will be expected to box, literally
fight,
for a round of, say, a minute to 3
minutes, and then go back to chess, then
to boxing, so-called chess boxing.
Again, I'm not suggesting people chess
box, but I know that many people have
challenges with task switching. And here
I can raise my hand and say that I am
one such person. I've always had a
pretty good ability to drop into deep
focus. After a period of time, you know,
I, like everybody else, takes a little
bit of time to get into a book chapter
or to get into a mode of physical
exercise. But once I'm doing something,
I tend to be very, very focused on that,
and I have a much greater challenge in
switching out of that focus mode to
doing the next thing, which is one of
the reasons why oftentimes I run tardy
because I'm still mentally thinking
about or physically engaged in the thing
that I was doing before.
Uh this is something I'm constantly
working on. And as a consequence, I've
had to seek out and implement certain
tools to improve my ability to task
switch. So, I'm going to share a few of
those tools with you now because I know
a number of people probably struggle
with the same thing.
And
as I mentioned earlier, I'm also going
to do a full-length episode about task
switching, both the underlying
mechanisms of task switching, as well as
a more extensive list of tools related
to task switching as a full-length
Huberman Lab podcast episode. So, how
can we get better at task switching?
Well, short of having somebody scruff
you by the neck and force you to stop
whatever activity you're doing and
engage in the next activity that you're
doing, one of the best things that we
can do to support our ability to task
switch that's nicely supported both at
the mechanistic level and at the
practical level within the published
literature
is to introduce short transition gaps
between the activities that we're trying
to switch between. This is something
that in my opinion has not been
discussed enough. In fact, when was the
last time you heard about the
requirement for introducing gaps between
tasks if you want to switch between them
more efficiently? And yet, as a
consequence of this not being discussed
very often, I think a lot of people have
placed an undue burden on themselves.
For instance, a lot of people think that
when you sit down with a book and you're
going to read that you should be able to
immediately
focus on the material that you're
reading and not have your mind flitting
about. During the first five, maybe even
10 minutes of reading a book chapter,
unless you are absolutely
enthralled from the first word or you
are intensely curious
what the material in that book chapter
is, right? Maybe that book chapter is
about you and what's going to happen to
you next in your life. Maybe the news
article is about something that you care
oh so much about, but unless
it's one of those specific instances
it's going to be about five or 10
minutes before the neural circuits in
your brain that are required to
understand and digest and commit that
material to memory are going to come
online at the levels of activity that
are going to be required for you to
experience that as intense focus or even
as mild focus because the activity of
the brain is always going to be in a
push-pull. This is extremely important
for understanding task switching. When
you go from one task, and maybe the task
was simply to walk over to where the
book is located, to focusing on the
material within that book, you have to
both engage activity within certain
neural circuits, and you need to
disengage the activity of other neural
circuits. Now, sometimes this is
referred to as inhibition of certain
neural circuits, other times it's just
going to be a dissipation of activity of
those neural circuits. They're just
going to quiet down, like a dimming of
the lights in a particular room, while
the activity of other neural circuits
increases. Okay, so the first thing that
you really need to understand if you
want to get better at task switching is
that you cannot and you should not
expect yourself to immediately drop into
a narrow trench of focus or a narrow
trench of ability for anything that
you're not already extremely skilled at
or extremely interested in knowing.
Okay? One of the reasons why this is
often overlooked is that,
for instance, if we receive a text
message from somebody and we are very
interested in what's contained in that
text message, maybe even eagerly
anticipating the dot dot dot, you know,
in that little window where the text
message is going to arrive, like here it
comes, here it comes, here it comes.
It's
an example of where you are able to
immediately pay attention and absorb
information. For instance, if you're
trying to meet somebody in a big city
and you need to know exactly where to
meet them, and you've arrived at the
place where you thought you need to be,
and then you can't find them, and you're
waiting, waiting, where are you? Where
are you? And, you know, you're going to
commit that information to memory, and
you're going to act on it. But, when you
sit down to read a book of unknown
content or where you have just a general
sense of what the content is, or when
you sit down to do something like work
on a spreadsheet or your taxes or engage
in a conversation with somebody, expect
a 5-to-10-minute transition period. I
can't emphasize this enough because I
think a lot of people
mistakenly think that they have issues
with attention, and perhaps indeed they
have clinically diagnosable attention
deficit
hyperactivity disorder or some other
form of attention deficit disorder.
Certainly can't rule that out based on
this conversation alone, but a lot of
people place this unfair burden on
themselves to immediately be able to
focus on a given task. And this is also
true for physical tasks, right? If you
go to
the gym to work out or you're heading
out on a run or cycling expedition,
the idea that you would immediately be
able to cycle at your peak performance
or that you could perform sets and reps
in the gym and as best as you possibly
could without any warm-up, without any
transition period, that you could forget
about the difficult or maybe even great
conversation that you were having on the
way in,
or that you could forget about other
activities that you need to do in the
rest of your day. I mean, that's just
completely unfair and it doesn't match
at all the way that your neural circuits
work. So, you really need to match your
expectation of your ability to focus on
and perform a given task, whether or not
it's cognitive or physical, to the
actual underlying Okay, so that's the
first point. The second point is that
we know that if you want to switch from
one task to another task,
that you are making it more difficult to
drop into full task engagement or rather
engagement with
task B
following task A, if you try and go
immediately from task A to task B.
That even the introduction, I find this
so cool, even the introduction of an
arbitrary but very short transition
period, I'll say 15 seconds, where you
know that you're introducing 15 seconds
of transition and you designate it as
transition, will allow you to engage in
a more efficient and more complete level
of task execution
on task B if you introduce even a brief
transition period.
Now,
this I find fascinating because what
this means is that there are top-down
influences. There are literally things
that we can tell ourselves based on an
understanding of the underlying
mechanisms that allow us to task switch
better. And this certainly doesn't
involve taking any kind of prescription
drug or supplement or doing anything
differently except as you go from
task A to task B,
knowing and designating that a
transition period, even a very brief
one,
where you are not trying to perform task
B, and that you designated this as a
transition period. I'm not trying to
focus on the next thing that I need to
do. I might focus on it inadvertently,
but I'm not
deliberately trying to focus on it.
Rather, I'm going to think about what I
just did and the fact that I'm no longer
doing that, kind of leaving it like a
fog behind. All right, you're trying to
move from this deep trench of attention,
hopefully, on task A, or maybe you
didn't achieve a deep trench of
attention.
And you're now done with task A, and
you're not placing this unfair
expectation on your neural circuits to
just flip to task B,
and you're also acknowledging that task
B is going to take 5 to 10 minutes to
drop into fully. We already talked about
that, but you're going to shorten that 5
to 10 minutes by deliberately
introducing a transition period. And
what comes in that transition period and
its duration is important. So, first
let's deal with the duration.
How long should the transition period
be? Well, that is going to scale
directly with how long you were in a
deep trench of focus for task A. But
let's assume task A was something that
was kind of light for you. Maybe you're
just handling some email, maybe you're
talking to a coworker, maybe you were at
a board meeting and it was kind of
light, you know, the stuff was just
okay, that you're used to this stuff.
This is stuff that you do all the time.
Now you're headed back to your desk or
you're headed to your next class, or
perhaps you did work out that morning
and now you're going to head to
your workplace of work, or maybe you're
leaving work and you're going to engage
with family, and
you know you need to switch all these
cognitive operations. You need to dump
the stuff that you were just doing
cognitively and you now need to do a
bunch of other things. Context is
switching.
Task is switching. Well, just ask
yourself
how deeply was I entrenched in that
other activity? Was my mind flitting to
other things or if I was in a deep
trench of
attention for that given thing? Well,
then you should give yourself slightly
longer for this transition period. Maybe
5 or even 10 minutes if you have that
time.
But even if you give yourself a short as
60 to 90 seconds of transition and you
just designate, excuse me, as
transition, you're going to benefit in
terms of your ability to do the next
task. So, to be very clear, if you were
in kind of a light task or something
that didn't have much cognitive demand,
well, then the transition period can be
fairly short. It can be just a couple of
minutes.
Rather, if you were in a deep trench of
attention, you're really engaged in that
first task,
I suggest giving yourself a couple of
minutes or more, maybe as much as 5 to
10 minutes. But you might not have that
much time, in which case give yourself
any kind of transition, even if it's 10
seconds. Right? I certainly have had
times in my life, in particular when I
was a new assistant professor, meaning
before I got tenure, where I remember
sitting down to work on a grant, I'd get
two lines out, someone would knock on
the door. Hey, where are the whatever
the 30 mil syringes? Where do we keep
the buffers? Or you know, where's the
you know, did we get this thing in the
Okay, and then I'd have to shift my
attention, I'd go back to writing and
then I'd be, you know, distracted by
something else again, which is not to
say that people were distracting me
unfairly. It was simply the case that at
that time my life required being
involved in a lot more things than it
did as my career progressed, at least in
the short term.
So,
the point being that if you are deeply
engaged in an activity, give yourself a
little bit longer in the transition
period between them. If you are sort of
superficially involved in activity, you
need less of a transition period, but
you need a transition period. What
should come during that transition
period? Well,
the most important thing to arrive in
that transition period is a relative
lack of attention to anything new. This
is what's so destructive about the
phone, and keep in mind I am not one of
these people that thinks that
smartphones are terrible. In fact, I use
mine
plural very often all day
often
not necessarily during deep cognitive
focus, but in between those bouts of
focus I have to text message people. I
do work on there. I'm on social media.
So, certainly not demonizing the
smartphone. However,
if you finish a given activity, whether
or not it's cognitive or physical
activity, and you are headed to
something else that requires you do a
new task, and that that task requires
significant amounts of attention and
focus,
well, then you would do very well to
allow yourself a period of anywhere from
2 minutes to maybe as long as 10
minutes. I know this is going to be very
hard for people, but 2 minutes to as
long as 10 minutes where you are not
looking at your phone. You're not
texting.
You're not on social media. You're not
foraging for anything. In fact, you're
trying to limit the total amount of
information that you're bringing into
your nervous system. Now, you don't have
to walk around with eyes closed and try
not hear and not see. Let's be
practical, folks. That's impossible to
do anyway. Can't shut down your brain
while awake.
You can go into states of deeper
relaxation.
There's non-sleep deep rest, which we'll
talk about in a little bit, but
you can't shut off your brain
deliberately. Okay, not in any healthy
way, that is.
But, by introducing these transition
zones or transition periods, as we'll
call them, of 2 to 10 minutes between
different tasks, and making sure that
within those transition periods
you are not bringing in new information.
Again, another context, and what what
are you really doing? Well, you're
ensuring that you're not going from task
A to task B to task C, right? What we're
talking about here is trying to limit
your task switching between task A and
task B, and not introducing another task
in between. And you might think that
looking at your phone
is not a task, right? It's so easy. It's
so reflexive. But it is. It's bringing
in a lot of new context,
in particular pictures and movies, which
are tremendous stimulus for the nervous
system and anchoring your attention.
It's bringing in new ideas, new thoughts
that no matter how hard you try are
going to
intrude into your ability to perform
task B.
So, when people say, "How do I get
better at task switching?"
I immediately want to say, "Please don't
introduce yet more tasks." Right?
Switching from one task to another is
hard enough already. Don't introduce
another task in between. Now, some of
you might take this to mean that you
shouldn't have a conversation with a
co-worker after a meeting while walking
down the hall. I'm not saying that. I
still encourage people to be social. I
encourage people to engage in workplace
environments. However, I will say, after
many years of working in laboratories
that at times were quite large, and you
walk into the lab and there are a lot of
different things going on. One of the
things that you learn how to do if
you're
going to get good at your craft is to
not pay attention to what's going on
with everyone crowded around a computer
looking at you like who's winning at the
World Cup. I'm not trying to insult
soccer players here. I enjoy soccer,
both playing it and observing it, but
one has to sort of scruff themselves a
little bit in trying to limit their
attention to a number of different
things in the environment and really go
from task A to task B in a really
dedicated way. Short lists benefit
certain people. I know a lot of people
are list makers out there. They like to,
you know, put two or three things or
maybe 20 things that they're going to
accomplish each day. One of the best
tools that I ever learned, both for sake
of task switching, but also for sake of
just getting things done on a consistent
basis, I picked up while I was a master
student at Berkeley. A very accomplished
professor at that time told me that he
writes down every day three things that
he's going to accomplish and only three
things. Never more than three. Now, he
also included other activities. In fact,
he was um quite active in his physical
life. So, he rode his bike to campus. He
also was a runner. He also went to the
gym. He He did not include those on his
list of three things, but he would write
down no more than three critical things
to do each day. So, he had three
critical tasks. So, I've employed that
method as well. I'll write down one
sometimes two, most often three, but if
I can, just one or two tasks that I need
to complete each day. And everything
else is considered part of the let's
just say automaticity function of my
day. Things that I already know how I
do, they don't require a ton of
cognitive focus, but I limit the things
that require a lot of cognitive focus to
three things per day. However, those
three things per day can take up many,
many hours each and certainly on the
whole. Okay, now now there are
additional things that one can do to
improve your ability to task switch. And
one of the things that I found
particularly beneficial is not a
meditation, but rather is a perceptual
exercise. And this is a perceptual
exercise that I learned about when I was
a graduate student, but in a totally
different context. And it has to do with
the way that your visual system
and the parts of your brain that parse
time
are related to one another and influence
one another. Now, the reason this tool
makes sense for improving your ability
to task switch is because
turns out that where you focus your
visual attention strongly influences the
way that your brain parses time.
So, I'll describe the tool first and
then I'll get a little bit into the
underlying mechanisms. But again, I'll
get deep into the underlying mechanisms
as well as the tool as well as
additional tools in the future episode
about task switching on the Huberman Lab
podcast.
So,
if you were to, for instance, close your
eyes
and not look at anything in your
external environment
and just concentrate, for instance, on
your breathing or the feeling on the
surface of your skin. I know this is
starting to sound like meditation, but
trust me, it's not meditation.
Your perception of time, that is how
finely you are slicing time
would be distinctly different
than if you were to open your eyes and
focus on a faraway location, say way off
in the horizon
and not focus on your bodily sensations.
Similarly, if you were to focus your
attention on some intermediate location,
maybe let's say 20 ft away
and simultaneously focus on your
internal bodily sensations or the
surface of your skin
your perception of time, how quickly
time was passing
would also be different than if you
closed your eyes or if you were looking
at some distant location. So, the
perceptual tool for task switching is a
very simple one and it's one that
frankly I do every morning and have for
many years now
and at least for me has really enhanced
my ability to task switch.
And that is
to just take a couple of minutes and
this really only takes about two or
three minutes and typically what I will
do is I'll start by closing my eyes. Oh,
I should mention I typically do this in
an environment where ideally I can see
off into the distance, perhaps from a
balcony if I'm
in an apartment or a house, ideally
outdoors, but if I'm indoors I'll still
do this. I'll just look as far off into
the distance as I can when that step is
required. So, but I start off by closing
my eyes and essentially not looking at
anything but directing my brain's focus
to either the surface of my body, just
what it feels like, what it's in contact
with or not in contact with, maybe my
breathing. Then I'll open my eyes and I
will focus on some location
on my body, but my bodily surface, like
my hand at some distance
and I'll focus my attention there maybe
for just 5 to 15 seconds. I should
mention that the first
station as I call them, where my eyes
were closed and I was focusing on my
bodily sensations, I also just do that
for about 5 to 15 seconds and I don't
count specifically. I'm just kind of
rough roughly 5 to 15 seconds. Okay, so
second station you're looking at surface
of your hand
and if you like you can also concentrate
on your breathing.
But typically people will just focus on
some specific location on their hand.
Then I'll typically lower my hand, then
I'll look off into the distance, maybe 5
to 10 ft, doesn't really matter. Focus
my visual attention there. Try and hold
that focus for 5 to 15 seconds. Then
I'll look further off in the distance,
maybe
further still off into the distance.
Ultimately, what I try and do is look at
a location as far off in the distance,
into that distance, excuse me, as I
possibly can.
And I'm also trying to pay attention my
breathing at the same time. Just as a
way of calibrating my location
to the location that I'm looking at and
how great that is. Then typically I'll
close my eyes and return my attention to
my immediate environment and my
breathing just in the location I'm in.
Okay, so the entire thing only takes
about 2 minutes. Again, starting with
eyes closed, focusing on self 5 to 15
seconds, then eyes open, focusing on
surface of one's body.
That is focusing one's visual attention
5 to 15 seconds, maybe 10 ft away, then
maybe 50 ft away. If you're in the
metric system, okay, meters, folks,
works just as well. These distances do
not have to be precise. And then off to
the horizon.
And then back to one's immediate
location by closing one's eyes. Now,
what is happening when one does this
perceptual exercise? And again, it's a
perceptual exercise, it's a visual
perceptual exercise. Well, what's
happening is you are shifting your
visual focus, obviously, but you're also
shifting the way in which you find,
slice, or thick slice time. Now, your
ability to recognize consciously whether
or not you're thin slicing or thick
slicing time is much harder to get a
grasp of
than it is to get a grasp of whether or
not you're looking at your hand or off
in the distance. That's kind of obvious.
But what we know for sure is that as you
shift your attention from your immediate
environment out to different designated
locations in your environment and your
time perception shifts accordingly,
you're essentially training your brain
to shift visual focus and the way in
which you process in the time domain.
And this is important in the context of
task switching because so much of task
switching
is not just to understand, "Okay, I'm
going from reading to running or from
running to reading."
And the different types of operations
that are required in one case versus the
other, but also a shift in the neural
circuits that underlie your perception
of time. And again, this is a topic that
deserves a much more elaborate
discussion, but so much of our ability
to execute a task with high proficiency
has to do with getting our thinking and
our actions into the correct time
domain. Now, when I say time domain, I
know a number of people can get confused
because time is time, right? People
think, "How What do you mean by time
domain? Space domain makes sense." Here,
I'm not talking about outer space,
whether or not you're looking in one
location or another,
close to your body or far away from your
body are different or domains of space,
but the time domain is a little trickier
for most people to understand. So, just
think of it this way. When you see a
slow-motion movie, what you're seeing is
a movie that was shot at a high frame
rate, many frames per second.
Okay, the typical smartphone shoots
movies at about 60 frames per second,
some older ones 30 frames per second.
The slow-mo function
on your
smartphone is actually a high frame rate
function. You took the same movie, but
you took it at higher frame rate, so you
got a lot more images,
therefore, you can generate slow motion.
So, with your visual system, when you
focus very close in to your body or
you're focused on bodily sensations in
your immediate environment,
you are fine-slicing in the time domain
more so
than when you are looking further off in
the distance.
Similarly, when you engage in one type
of task like a board meeting or a Zoom
meeting or a conversation with friends,
you are in a very different set of
neural circuit functions than when you
sit down to read or learn math or lift
weights or go to therapy or go for a
walk with your dog, for instance.
Now it should be clear why when you move
from task A to task B, you want to A
introduce
a transition period. It can be very
brief. Maybe you don't even have time
for the 2-minute transition period. You
just say, "Okay, I'm in a transition
period between task A and task B. I'm
moving from this thing to that thing. I
just need like 10 seconds. I'm going to
recognize. I'm going to count down 10 to
1 or 1 up to 10. Doesn't matter. This is
transition time. But this is not a time
to
look at my phone or to be in lots of
different time domains. Now you might
say,
"Well, does that mean I shouldn't look
at the horizon while I'm walking from my
meeting back to my desk?" No. No, no,
no. That's not the way that your brain
works. It doesn't anchor to things that
just happen in your environment of
particular interest. What I'm saying is
set a transition period between tasks.
Ideally two, maybe even as long as 10
minutes.
I'm also saying that when you switch
between tasks or when you initiate your
first major task of the day, please
expect
do expect
a period in which it's hard to get into
the groove, so to speak.
And in addition to that,
I recommend having some sort of practice
and I describe the practice that I've
used for some period of time now, at
least for me to great success,
where you are deliberately shifting your
visual attention between different
locations close to you and far away. And
you're doing that as a perceptual
practice. Again, the whole thing only
takes about 2 minutes, maybe 3 minutes.
And you don't even need to do it every
day. I happen to do it every day, but I
miss the occasional day here and there.
And even if you were to do this
perceptual practice,
you know,
once a week or three times a week, I'm
certain that you'll benefit because in
doing that perceptual practice, there's
also an immediate recognition of the
sorts of shifts that your brain is
required to engage in anytime you move
from task A to task B or from task B to
task C.
And you start to
see and feel, literally see and feel,
the way that that transition occurs and
that it takes a little bit of time, but
that you can accelerate that transition
if you understand that, oh, when I'm
looking here and engaging in this type
of behavior or sets of tasks,
and then I'm now going to be expected to
do another task in a completely
different type of environment,
that the brain is going to be required
to shift over the neural circuits that
are active and less active in order to
do that, but that you can accelerate
that process by practicing it, using
that perceptual tool that I described.
So, there I covered some specific tools
that one can use to enhance one's
ability to task switch, touching on a
bit of the underlying neurobiology and
why transition periods are useful, if
not required. If you think about it,
there's always a transition period when
task switching, but here you're taking
conscious control over that transition
period. There are additional tools for
enhancing one's ability to task switch.
They tend to be somewhat specific for
the certain kinds of cognitive or
physical tasks that one needs to do. The
example of chess boxing that I gave
earlier, great example of task switching
at its extreme, terrible example of a
practice, space-time bridging, very
safe, I can't think of any way in which
it might be dangerous, although please
don't do it while driving or while
operating any kind of other machinery,
but by all accounts, very safe, zero
cost, and we talked about some of the
other tools for task switching as well.
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