Video summary
The podcast opens by addressing the historical struggle between scientific consensus on nutrition and powerful industry lobbying, specifically focusing on added sugar intake. Originally established in 1977 with a goal to limit sugar consumption to no more than ten percent of daily calories, subsequent dietary guidelines released over the decades have progressively weakened these recommendations under pressure from groups like the Sugar Association. While early reports called for strict reductions similar to those made for saturated fats and cholesterol, later iterations replaced specific limits with vague advice such as "moderate in sugars" or avoiding too much sugar entirely. This shift occurred despite evidence that added sugar provides empty calories without essential nutrients, leading public health authorities to eventually revert to stricter guidelines acknowledging that the current average American intake far exceeds safe levels for every age group starting from infancy.
The discussion then shifts to the direct link between excessive sugar consumption and the obesity epidemic, noting that over ninety percent of adults in the United States are considered "over fat" due to excess body weight or abdominal adiposity. Research indicates that increasing sugar intake directly leads to increased calorie consumption and subsequent weight gain, while reducing added sugars results in significant weight loss even when individuals eat freely otherwise. Although observational studies have sometimes yielded ambiguous results regarding sugary foods versus sweetened beverages, objective measures like urinary sucrose levels confirm a strong correlation between high sugar intake and obesity risks. The transcript highlights that the sugar industry often attempts to deflect from this evidence by suggesting alternative causes for health issues or promoting ineffective solutions, rather than addressing the fundamental role of added sugars in driving weight gain and metabolic dysfunction.
Finally, the episode explores practical dietary strategies to manage blood sugar spikes without relying on pharmaceutical interventions, highlighting vinegar as a potent natural remedy. Studies show that adding just one tablespoon of vinegar to meals can significantly reduce post-meal glucose levels, lower insulin responses, improve cholesterol profiles, and even aid in weight loss by reducing belly fat within hours. The host suggests simple modifications like spreading almond butter or dipping bread in balsamic vinegar instead of consuming refined carbohydrates alone, noting that these plant-based approaches effectively blunt the arterial damage caused by high blood sugar spikes. Ultimately, the podcast concludes that a diet centered on whole plant foods, combined with strategic use of ingredients like vinegar and healthy fats, offers a sustainable path to reversing heart disease and diabetes risks without the need for drugs or expensive supplements.
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Doesn't it seem like when it comes to
nutrition, there are more opinions than
[music] facts to go around?
Every day we hear new theories about
diets and supplements and
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>> best foods to eat. Well, my role is to
take the mystery out of good nutrition
and look at the science. Welcome to the
NutritionFacts Podcast. I'm your host,
Dr. [music] Michael Greger.
Public health authorities continue to
drop the upper tolerable limit of daily
[music] added sugar intake, and that's a
good thing. Here's our first story.
Dating back to the original dietary
goals for the United [music] States in
1977, the so-called McGovern report,
leading nutrition scientists were not
only calling for a reduction in meat and
other sources of saturated fat and
cholesterol like dairy and eggs, but
also sugar. The goal was to reduce
America's sugar intake down to
no more than 10% of the daily diet.
The final conclusions would hang sugar,
reported the president of the Sugar
Association. The McGovern report has to
be neutralized. Don't worry though, we
have the National Cattlemen's
Association on our side, and like big
sugar, they appealed to the Senate
Select Committee to withdraw the report.
The sugar industry empire striking back
appeared to work when the official
dietary guidelines were released in 1980
and then again in '85, no specific limit
like 10% just a vague avoid too much
sugar, whatever that means. By '95 it
got even vaguer, choose a diet moderate
in sugars. In 2000, they were at least
back to limit, but even that was too
strong. Under pressure from sugar
lobbyists, they went back to a moderate
your intake of sugars before the 2005
guideline committee dropped the S word
completely, encouraging Americans to
choose carbohydrates wisely, whatever
that means. If only there were some kind
of dietary guidelines committee that
could give us guidance. The Sugar
Association expressed optimism about
that 2005 committee. The Sugar
Association Incorporated is
committed to the protection and
promotion of table sugar consumption,
and they will not allow for the
disparagement of sugar.
And they're not kidding. In 2003, the
World Health Organization released a
report on diet, nutrition, and the
prevention of chronic disease, which for
the first time since the McGovern
report, called for reduction in sugar
intake to under 10%. The Sugar
Association responded by threatening to
get the US to withdraw all funding from
the WHO.
Here it is in black and white.
The Sugar Association threatening to
pressure Congress to withdraw funding
from the World Health Organization. You
know, polio vaccinations, AIDS
medications, be damned. You just don't
mess with the candy man.
The threat was described as tantamount
to blackmail and worse than any pressure
they had experienced from big tobacco.
But now, 15 years later, and 40 years
after the first proposed McGovern
report, the current 2015 to 2020 dietary
guidelines lay out as a key
recommendation the 10% limit, currently
exceeded by every age bracket in the
United States starting at age one, with
adolescents averaging 87 g of sugar a
day, meaning the average teen is
effectively eating 29 sugar packets a
day.
The Sugar Association describes the 10%
limit as extremely low. I mean, only
like up to a dozen spoonfuls a day.
But of course, there's no dietary
requirement for added sugar at all, and
every single calorie you get from added
sugar is a wasted opportunity to get
calories from sources that actually
provide nutrition. To the American Heart
Association's credit, they went further,
trying to push added sugar intake down
to about 6% of calories, for which a
single can of soda could, you know, send
you over the limit. An added sugar limit
exceeded by 90%
of Americans. In 2017, the American
Heart Association released their
guidelines for children, recommending
they get no more than about, you know,
six teaspoons per day, which means
there's, you know, nearly 100 cereals on
the US market for which a single serving
exceeded the entire recommended daily
limit. And the Heart Association
recommends no added sugars at all under
age two.
Small toddlers are to avoid added sugars
altogether, a recommendation that's
violated in up to 80% of toddlers. The
US is one of at least 65 countries that
have implemented dietary guidelines or
policies to curb sugar consumption. In
the UK, the Scientific Advisory
Committee on Nutrition made new
recommendations to reduce added sugars
down to 5%, which is the direction the
World Health Organization is headed as
well. They always seem to be kind of
ahead of the curve. Why? Because their
policy-making process is at least
partially protected from industry
influence. Unlike governments, which may
have competing interests in commerce and
trade, the World Health Organization is
exclusively concerned with health.
In our next story, we look at the sugar
industry's response to evidence
implicating sweeteners in the obesity
epidemic.
The obesity epidemic may just be the tip
of the iceberg in terms of excess body
fat. It's been estimated that 91% of
adults,
nine out of 10 of us, and 69% of
children in the United States are, quote
unquote, over fat, defined as excess
body fat sufficient to impair health.
That can occur even in normal weight
individuals, often due to excess
abdominal fat. The way you tell if
you're over fat is if your waist
circumference is more than half your
height. What's causing this epidemic?
One primary cause may be all the added
sugars we're eating. A century ago,
sugar was heralded as one of the
cheapest forms of calories in the diet.
Just 10 cents worth of sugar could
furnish
thousands of calories. Harvard's
sugar-pushing nutritionist
bristled at the term empty calories. The
calories in sugar were not empty, but
full of energy. In other words, full of
calories, which we are now getting too
many of.
The excess body weight of the US
population corresponds to about a 350 to
500 calorie excess daily caloric intake
on average. So, to revert the obesity
epidemic, that's how many calories we
have to reduce. Okay, so
which calories should we cut?
That's just how many calories the
majority of Americans who failed to meet
the dietary guideline sugar limit get in
added sugars every day, 25 teaspoons,
about 400 calories. Even the most
die-hard sugar defenders like James
Rippe, who is reportedly paid $40,000 a
month by the high-fructose corn syrup
industry on top of the 10 million they
paid for his research, even Dr. Rippe
considers it indisputable that sugars
contribute to obesity.
It's also indisputable that sugar
reduction should be part of any weight
loss program.
And of all sources of calories to limit,
since sugar is just empty calories,
contains no essential nutrients,
reducing sugar consumption is obviously
the place to start. And again, this is
what the researchers funded by the likes
of Dr. Pepper and Coca-Cola are saying.
The primary author, Richard Kahn, is
infamous for his defense of the American
Beverage Association, the soda industry.
He was chief science officer at the
American Diabetes Association when they
signed a million-dollar sponsorship deal
with the world's largest candy company.
Maybe the American Diabetes Association
should rename itself the American Junk
Food Association. But what do you expect
from an organization that was started
with drug industry funding?
The bottom line is that randomized
controlled trials show that increasing
sugars intake increases calorie intake,
and this leads to body weight gain in
adults, and sugar reduction leads to
body weight loss in children. For
example, when researchers randomized
individuals to either increase their
intake of table sugar or decrease their
intake, the added sugar group gained
about 3 and 1/2 lb over 10 weeks,
whereas the reduced sugar group lost
about 2 and 1/2 lb. A systematic review
and meta-analysis of all such ad libitum
diet studies, meaning real-life studies
where sugar levels were changed, but
people could otherwise eat whatever they
wanted, reduced intake of dietary sugars
resulted in a decrease in body weight,
whereas increased sugars intake resulted
in a comparable increase in weight. The
researchers conclude that, considering
the rapid weight gain that occurs after
an increased intake of sugars, it seems
reasonable to advise people to cut down.
Findings from observational studies have
been more ambiguous though, with the
association found between obesity and
sweetened beverage intake, but failing
to show consistent correlations with
sugary foods.
Most such studies rely on self-reported
data, however, and obese people tend to
underreport sugar-rich foods.
One can measure trace sucrose levels in
the urine, however, to not only get an
objective measure of actual sugar
intake, but to exclude contributions
from other sweeteners such as
high-fructose corn syrup. When
researchers have done this, they
discovered that sugar intake is indeed
not only associated with greater odds of
obesity and greater waist circumference
on a snapshot in time cross-sectional
basis, but in a prospective cohort study
over time.
Using urinary sucrose as a measure of
sucrose intake, those in the highest
versus lowest fifth for sucrose intake
had more than a 50% greater risk of
being overweight or obese. Denying
evidence that sugars are harmful to
health has evidently been at the heart
of the sugar industry's defense. But
when the evidence is undeniable, like
the link between sugar and cavities,
they switch from denial to deflection,
like trying to switch attention from
restricting intake to coming up with
some kind of vaccine against tooth
decay.
We seem to have reached a similar point
with obesity with the likes of the sugar
bureau switching from denial to
deflection by commissioning research
suggesting obese individuals would not
benefit from losing weight, a stance
contradicted by hundreds of studies
across four continents involving more
than 10 million participants.
Finally today, how vinegar can help with
blood sugar control. A double-blind,
placebo-controlled, randomized study
found that body weight and belly fat
were significantly reduced adding just a
single tablespoon of vinegar to one's
daily diet.
But is there any benefit to vinegar
consumption if you're not overweight?
Well, their triglycerides normalized and
on the two tablespoons a day dose, there
was a dip in blood pressure. But those
effects may have just been because of
the weight loss. Other than taste, is
there any benefit to normal weight
individuals sprinkling vinegar on their
salad? What about vinegar for blood
sugar control? If you feed people a
massive amount of sugar, half cup of
table sugar,
as their blood sugar spike, their artery
function can become impaired. And the
higher the blood sugars go, the more the
arteries take a hit.
There's a drug though that can block
sugar absorption and by blunting the
blood sugar spike with a drug, you can
prevent the arterial dysfunction
demonstrating it's probably good for
your heart if you don't have big blood
sugar spikes after meals. And indeed,
how high your blood sugar spike after a
meal is a predictor for cardiovascular
mortality. So the people who eat lots of
high glycemic foods like sugary foods
and refined grains tend to have more
heart attacks and strokes. Yes.
And they appear more likely to get
diabetes, but maybe people who eat lots
of frosted flakes and Wonder Bread also
have other bad dietary habits.
The diets that have been put to the test
in randomized controlled trials and
proven to prevent diabetes are the ones
focusing on cutting down on saturated
fat and ramping up the consumption of
fiber-rich whole plant foods such as
fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
without specific regard to lower or
higher glycemic loads. The drug has been
put to the test though in blunting one's
mealtime blood sugar spikes does seem to
reduce the risk of developing diabetes.
As well as reduce the risk of heart
attacks and high blood pressure.
So is there any way to prevent these
blood sugar spikes without having to
take drugs? Well,
one way would be to not sit down to have
a cup of sugar.
Yes, the drug can slow the progression
of your atherosclerosis,
but wouldn't it be better to eat a diet
that actually reverses heart disease,
reverses diabetes? The healthiest diet
to prevent the meal-related blood sugar
and fat spikes, the oxidation,
inflammation, is a diet centered around
whole plant foods.
But what if you really want a bagel?
Instead of spreading drugs on it,
spreading on some almond butter may help
blunt the blood sugar spike from refined
carbs. And another option is to dip your
baguette in some balsamic vinegar.
The consumption of vinegar with meals
was evidently used as a home remedy for
diabetes before drugs came along, but
wasn't put to the test until 1988. After
all, how much money can be made from
vinegar?
Well, according to the Vinegar
Institute, millions of dollars, but a
single diabetes drug like Rezulin can
pull in billions
before it was pulled from the market for
killing too many people by shutting down
their livers.
The drug company still made off like a
bandit having to pay out less than a
billion to the grieving families for
covering up the danger.
No liver failure from a peanut
butter-smeared bagel though, cutting the
blood sugar response in half. And the
same with vinegar, if you chug down four
teaspoons of apple cider vinegar diluted
in water, you get that same blunting of
the spike and you get the additional
advantage over the nuts of lowering
insulin levels in the blood, something
peanut butter apparently can't do.
But presumably better than a bagel with
lox as fish causes triple the insulin
response or red wine, which also
increases insulin levels, though not as
much as the fish.
And also shoots up triglycerides, though
dealcoholized
red wine, non-alcoholic wine, doesn't
have the same problem.
Okay, but what about vinegar? Not only
may a tablespoon a day tend to improve
cholesterol and triglycerides over time,
vinegar
can drop triglycerides within an hour of
a meal along with decreased blood sugars
and the insulin spike potentially
offering the best of all worlds.
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