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Women Are Just As “Porn-Brained” As Men

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The discussion centers on a significant cultural paradox regarding sexual behavior, particularly among Generation Z and Millennials. Despite an explosion of media messaging in the late 2010s promoting hookup culture as empowering and healthy—exemplified by platforms like Teen Vogue offering explicit advice to teenagers—the actual statistics show that people are having less sex than ever before rather than more. The speaker highlights this disconnect between normalized, hypersexualized rhetoric and reality, noting that young women today appear "porn-brained" in their self-perception while simultaneously experiencing a sexual recession. This phenomenon is attributed not just to traditional pornography consumption but also to accidental exposure on social media platforms like Twitter and Instagram before individuals even begin dating, which creates fear around sex rather than healthy expectations. The podcast features hosts from the show *Call Her Daddy*, including Alex Cooper, who are described as engaging in a form of "worst masculine banter" that objectifies women while ironically advising them to be more sexually aggressive or knowledgeable. The speaker cites specific examples from episodes featuring guests like Milf Hunter and Louis Theroux-style manosphere figures, where the messaging is terrifying: men warn women they will never be safe even if married because cheating is inevitable, yet these same hosts encourage young girls to adopt a defensive bravado against male vulnerability. This dual pressure creates an environment where investing in relationships or being vulnerable is seen as dangerous, leading many to retreat into isolation and avoid intimacy altogether. A major point of contention raised by the speaker involves the progressive defense of pornography, which they argue ignores how accidental exposure shapes young women's expectations and self-image. The transcript notes that even if a woman does not actively watch porn, constant algorithmic suggestions on social media can lead to addiction or distorted views where individuals view themselves as mere products rather than people with agency. This perspective challenges the common narrative that pornography empowers disadvantaged women; instead, the speaker suggests it terrifies young women by setting unrealistic standards and creating trauma when reality fails to match those expectations. The argument posits that both feminist influences from what is termed the "femosphere" and manosphere ideologies converge on similar outcomes: fostering fear, defense mechanisms, and a breakdown in genuine human connection regarding sex. The speaker also addresses their controversial stance within the book against uncritical acceptance of mental health industry narratives, refusing to include standard disclaimers that medication or therapy are universally beneficial without context. While acknowledging briefly that these tools save lives for some, the primary focus is on exposing what they view as real dangers in an over-medicalized and overly aware culture that ignores skeptical perspectives. This approach has alarmed many progressives who insist on caveats to avoid appearing dangerous, but the speaker maintains that presenting only one side of a story prevents listeners from understanding the full scope of issues like the sex recession or the impact of digital media on psychology. Ultimately, the conversation concludes by emphasizing how these conflicting messages—from hookup culture glorification and accidental porn exposure to defensive relationship strategies—have collectively contributed to a generation struggling with intimacy. The speaker argues that we must look beyond surface-level statistics about fiber intake or gut health (which are mentioned as unrelated facts in the transcript) and instead confront the terrifying messaging surrounding sex, power dynamics, and vulnerability that defines modern dating life. By recognizing these paradoxes where hypersexualization leads to sexual avoidance, society can begin to address why young adults feel unable to engage authentically despite being surrounded by endless advice on how to do so.
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What's happening with sex? Well, so that was interesting in the book because I had so much research about how hookup culture was pushed on my generation. So the book goes from 2010 to now and everything that's changed sort of culturally and technologically and I had all of these examples like Teen Vogue teaching teenagers how to have anal sex giving them tips on hookup culture some crazy stuff and then I had I had to sit and listen to these call her daddy episodes to get transcripts of what they were talking about and this was sort of in the late 2010s and it's all about sleeping around and hookup culture and why it's good and empowering and healthy for young girls. So I had all of this evidence that there was so much influence that that was normalized and Alex Cooper now happily engaged. Yeah. So I had that but then you look at the statistics and we're not actually having more sex and so I was thinking that's all going to lead to this huge explosion in hookup culture and it really hasn't and so there's a paradox there there's so many paradoxes in the book between the messaging we were given and what actually happened the outcome and that's just one of them. Yeah, it seems strange that Gen Z's hypersexualized and having less sex at the same time. But maybe they're linked which is that the when I was sat listening to the call her daddy episodes and reading these articles sex sounded horrifying and scary and did it and is it not advertising sex? I think that's what we think it's doing but I mean on call her daddy they're saying you know if you're a five or four out of 10 then you really need to like learn these sex tips in order to make up for it you're just a whole >> [laughter] >> no but just genuinely so it's like the sort of stereotypically worst masculine banter coming out of women like basically they had this guest on called it sounds like something that Louis Theroux would have seen in the manosphere doc. Exactly. Like if you're if if you're butt is you'd better learn to cook. Exactly. Though they had this guest on called Milf Hunter. Brilliant. Hang on. Milf Hunter for women? This is a guy right who had slept with a load of older women and was giving them advice basically. And the advice is just horrifying but then at the end he shouts out women don't care about you sorry men don't care about you and then Alex Cooper and the other host are like I hope you girls are listening and even if you're married you're not safe he still wants to cheat on you. This is terrifying messaging around sex and I think that is I mean it's the most listened to podcast by women and so I really think that would have played a part in why we're now seeing a sex recession is that you had it on both sides you had this awful messaging from the feminist influences the femosphere that the new statesman now are finally talking about but then you also have it from the manosphere influences everybody basically saying that investing in the opposite sex or being vulnerable at all is going to get you hurt and you have to put on this defense mechanism bravado and it's the exact same messaging. What do you think porn's done to expectations around sex and power? >> [snorts] >> I think porn is another thing that terrified young women from my generation because they would have been exposed to it before likely before they've had a relationship and so you have I had to go on this forum in the book of Gen Z adults talking about when they first were exposed to porn and some of them are like eight six and they're talking about accidentally seeing it on these platforms and way before they've even attempted dating anyone or or can put that in context and so I think we we talk a lot about the impact of porn on young men but not so much on young women even if they're not watching it I think there's constant sort of exposure to it on social media so a lot of the statistics in the book were accidental exposure so it's not young people going on to Pornhub it's very often on Twitter or Instagram and it's accidentally come up and it's started an addiction and so I think that plays into the same thing it creates a fear around sex and it creates crazy expectations I think there's porn brained women sometimes where the way they speak about women about themselves is so heartbreaking even listening to call her daddy and some of the guests on there the way they talk about themselves it sounds like it's straight out of a porn site and that's they're viewing themselves as nothing but an object a product. There's another weird paradox going on here which is porn is both something totally meaningless transactional that you can do freely with whoever you want whenever you want and also the root of potentially the most traumatic thing in your life if it's done incorrectly Mhm. That I I I I don't No, I don't understand the consistent defense of porn um from progressives. So this is part of the controversial part of my book is that I don't caveat I don't give any disclaimers with that because I was so tired of reading books that constantly caveat and so with things like porn the land acknowledgement well we must remember that porn can it doesn't power women to be able to if they're disadvantaged they've got an iPhone and a dildo and they can make the money that they would do but And I do that throughout the book so another controversial part of the book is I talk about the mental health industry and I don't do the constant you know some medication really helps people and it saves their lives and therapies of course life-saving for some people I do a brief acknowledgement of that at the beginning and then I go into what I think are the real dangers because I think we've heard that other side of the story there are so many books telling you the benefits of mental health awareness and opening up and taking medication and the point of the book is it's the things that we didn't grow up hearing and so I give the skeptical side of it and I think that is very alarming to a lot of progressives they want the constant disclaimers because they think it's dangerous to not have them. 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