WILLIAM McNAMARA: 90s Hollywood Actor Chased Triangle UFOs for Months

just keep doing what you're doing. Just let it unfold. This became my mantra is so it goes. You would see witness things that are horrible or fantastic. It was always just well so it goes. It's a curse in that I can't think of anything else to do. It's what I'm tethered to. based on my life, the afterlife of the Hollywood star. And running into trouble financially, Billy realizes throughout the show is that he's always been home because home is where two paths intersect that have an affinity for each other. >> What if everything that Hollywood has taught us about success is actually the least interesting part of the story? Today, actor, producer, and animal advocate William McNamera joins us to reveal what really happens after fame. Why reinvention at 60 can be your greatest creative breakthrough, and how turning your own life into art may be the boldest role you'll ever play. He's been starring in iconic films of the 1990s to creating his hilarious new series, The Trouble with Billy. William or Billy joins us to talk about reinvention, sobriety, creativity, condundalina yoga, and maybe some UFO action, and why your second act can become your greatest masterpiece. Welcome to Dare to Dream, where we explore the extraordinary intersections of creativity, consciousness, purpose, and the lives that inspire us to see ourselves differently. And with that, I welcome Billy to the Dare to Dream Show. It is kind of wild and wonderful to have you here. >> That's great. Thank you. >> Yeah. I I mean you and I got to meet at a mutual friend's house and I would never have known if you didn't start something about you telling your stories and click click click and I'm thinking oh my god I think this guy is booked to come in my show that's kismmet and I love that you're into all the things that you're into. So you've had quite a life quite a full life and let's just start a little at the beginning. I understand when you were seven years old, your mom had a friend, Valerie Pine. Interestingly enough, I used to live across from her when I lived in West Hollywood before I moved to where I am now. And Valerie Pine introduced you to this incredible world and your expression was this feels like a circus, >> right? What did that young Billy see or experience that made him think acting, producing, this is where I belong? >> Well, it just I I I was so young. I was an only child and my mom's best friend was Valerie. So, I was they were together all the time like sisters. >> And uh Valerie was r her fame was rising. Uh she became like a superstar right away. She went from a Las Vegas uh showgirl. I think she was discovered by oh the guy that directed uh Slaughterhouse 5. Great director. I can't remember his name, but but fantastic. And she had a a supporting role in that, but she really was a just came off the screen. She was fantastic, you know, based on the Kurt Vonagget book and and um with iconic director who I can't remember his name, but most people can probably figure it out. And uh and then and then she was discovered by Bob FSY and he put her as the lead in that movie Lenny. >> So this was all happening. Her and my mom were friends and so I was around for all of that. And you know Valerie would take take us to the set you know when she was shooting and and um and then she would have you know a lot of these parties back at her house and uh a lot of these people were there. George Roy Hill, that's who the director was, a lot of house 5. And so he was there all the time. Bob FSY was at our house and and Elliot Gould and Ryan O'Neal and all these people. Uh, and there were all these very creative people. This is the 70s in Los Angeles. So it's sangria wine, it's, you know, pots. Larry Hagman was there all the time. uh and and and they loved playing charades and and it was just magical to watch these incredibly creative people. I mean Bob Fost is incredible >> a director. I mean as a choreographer as a performer himself. Uh so I was really fortunate. It was like growing up in the circus. I guess if you grow up in the circus you become like an acrobat or a you know you you you do circus stuff. And so I felt like that was my my first imprint and uh kind of a curse I guess imprinted and and and s such an imprint this you know the hardware was was was you know I was wired and uh it's it's been hard to shake it you know >> um so as a little kid because seven years old you're very you know that's that's very impressionable that's you can wire a kid at seven >> and I was wired your seven-year-old boy self wandering through these amazing Hollywood parties with these phenomenal creative people. When you're in your life today, what do you think he'd smile about? I mean, what wisdom might your six-year-old self whisper back to that seven-year-old self? >> Well, gosh, I I don't know. I mean, it was all, you know, the journey was all meant to be. So there's nothing really there's there is no wisdom that I would uh give the seven-year-old. I think just keep doing what you're doing. You're just let it unfold. Um it's and so you know the funny thing is um it's interesting because Slaughterhouse 5 the movie based on the book Kurt Vonagget book and of course seven-year-old kid doesn't know who Kurt Vonagget is or reads Kurt Vonagget most seven year olds. Um, however, I was uh that because the movie I that also was part of the imprint and um uh the the main character's name I believe was Billy Pilgrim and he was on this incredible journey and he was witnessing incredible things and I remember that he and this became my kid uh this became my mantra is so it goes he would watch he would see witness things that are horrible or fantastic And it was always just well so it goes and so and that's been my whole thing. It's been my journey. It's like all these things have happened and uh like Billy Pilgrim like well and so it goes. >> And when you say and so it goes earlier you mentioned that was an imprint that was it seemed like a fa complete and yet you also said but it was also a curse. What do you mean by that? Well, I mean, a curse in that um in that, you know, I've I've been so tethered to entertainment and Hollywood uh you know, my whole life. It's it's hard to to try to make a transition uh because the new Hollywood, you know, I still live in LA, Santa Monica. Um there's not it's crazy. There's not a lot of money in it anymore. And uh it seems like a constant struggle. Uh, luckily I made my show and my show is doing pretty well right now, so that's good. And it looks like we have a second season, so that's good. Um, but it's not overflowing in money. I'm not getting that Netflix uh here's $20 million. Do your No, I have to raise it from private uh finance years in a bank to do second season. And uh it's going to be not a struggle. it'll be a lot more money. But but it's um you know there's no uh uh you know the Malibu beach house was gone in 2003 and might not probably won't come back and that's okay but so it's it's a curse in that I can't think of anything else to do and so it's like well try this or try that. I like you know I'm an artist and it's what I'm tethered to. Mhm. Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying. And as somebody I live in Burbank and Burbank is also an entertainment capital and there's tons of studios here, so a lot of people live here, production, post-production, actors, all the things. And so many of them ever since co it really never came back. And I don't know how many people in the United States realize what has happened to the entertainment industry. how much is not being filmed here any longer and is now being farmed out, if you will, to other countries and other states where it's quote unquote cheaper. I know President Trump at some point was going to sign off on some things insisting that Hollywood become Hollywood, but I don't know if that's ever going to happen. But there's so many talented people also who have been severely out of work. I know there's a lot of houses for sale here and it's um it's a little heartbreaking because we know this town and we know this Southern California as one thing. So, I understand what you're saying and how difficult it must be and I give you a lot of credit for doing what it is you're doing, being who it is you came here to be as an actor. So, tell us about the trouble with Billy. What is the premise of the show? And I've seen a little bit on your website. It looks very interesting. >> Well, it's just it's it's a real sort of a uh you know, dramdy, comedy, uh just a lot of sort of funny situations that I've lived through. It's it's highly exaggerated in the show obviously because it makes it funny. Um, so it it's just uh based on based on my life, the afterlife of the Hollywood star uh and running into trouble financially, also my dog getting sick and and and so um it's it's um and it's it's really the structure of the script, the structure of the show is that of the Wizard of Oz. Um, he gets kicked out of his home. Uh, you know, in the Wizard of Oz, it's the tornado that throws Dorothy and Toto out into the, you know, into the out of their home. And the whole movie Wizard of Oz, she's trying to get back home. And she finds out at the end she's always been home. And she clicks her heels three times and boom, her and Toto are back. And so, same thing happens in the trouble. the beginning of the trouble. Um his his niece who he's living with Katrina, like Hurricane Katrina, kicks him out of the home. >> I'm going to just say that again. Your um >> one of our internets are going a little wonky here. Um so you were saying hurricane Katrina, >> is that correct? And he gets kicked out gets kicked out of his home. >> The the the niece's name the niece's name is Katrina. That's the niece's name that he lives with his niece on her couch. She's a huge social media star making, you know, five six thou 7,000 a day just jumping up and down on a trampoline. Um, so yeah, with in front of a camera. So she's making this incredible money. She has no talent. Just, you know, she's wellendowed though. And so, um, so he, uh, she kicks him out of the house because he's actually having, she comes in and she finds he's having, uh, an AAA meeting, not AA, but AAA, which is alien abductees anonymous, in her house with these freaks. Um, and so he's conducting this meeting. And so she she freaks out and throws him out. So that's sort of the metaphor. Hurricane Katrina. The niece, his name is Katrina. So, she throws him out of the house, just like in Wizard of Oz, and he's got to find his way home again. So, that's what the story is about, finding your way home. >> And I know there's a dog in it. It looks like he becomes homeless at some point. I I watched that whole scene where he's getting the fast food at the restaurant and saying, "Do you mind if I leave my car here overnight?" and he goes out and he's sharing food with the dog, but he tempers it and says, you know, let's save some for breakfast. Who is the dog? Where'd you get the dog from? >> Well, she's my dog. That's my that's my that's my girl. And uh so so she's uh she's the heart of the show >> and um and so and the thing is that what Billy realizes throughout the show is that he he's always been home because home is where uh two paths intersect that have an affinity for each other. So that's me and the dog. It's the love. So where you have the love doesn't matter if you're in your car on the street or in the house in in West Hollywood. As long as you have love, you're home. Doesn't matter. The physical location makes no difference. And so, the good news is Billy's got his dog and his dog has him. >> And so, that's the sort of the the the message of the show. It's I'm I've been home the whole time. >> That's beautiful. >> And how much of Billy in the show is actually you, Billy? Is this all your life or is it fictionalized? I it's fictionalized a little bit, you know. So, I I had hard times when it's a long story about, you know, how I I was in Texas. I was I went to I I sort of dropped out of um uh Hollywood for a few years because I got in deep with animal rescue stuff and some hardcore organizations like uh Sea Shepard. If you Google Sea Shepard, you'll see they're international uh direct, it's called direct action. And they've been labeled by many countries like Japan as global terrorists. And Captain Paul Watson, the founder of Sea Shepard, was in prison for he was uh picked up by Interpol on an international warrant, I think, issued by Japan um and maybe Norway as well because Sea Shepard interferes with uh with whaling and they actually interfere by ramming the ships and getting in between the harpoons. And Captain Paul Watson was the founder of a an organization called Greenpeace, which is a world's famous organization. And when Greenpeace became more political than Direct Action, he left in protest and started a new organization called Sea Shepard. So I got involved with them and went to Japan. I went to jail in Japan. I did all these crazy things. Yeah. I'm banned from Japan. >> [laughter] >> Are you really like for life? >> Yeah. Can never go back? Yeah. >> Because what? Because you did what? >> Because um I was involved with Sea Shepard. I think they're probably banned from Japan. Uh because I was there with Sea Shepard and we were trying to stop them uh direct. It's called direct action. That means you you're you get right in there. Uh he's trying to stop them from slaughtering the dolphins, which they do in Taigi, Japan. They they push them into a cove and then they kill them. And they do it every day and it's like 80 a day for months. 80 a day. I mean, how many is that a week? That's like I don't know. That's 560 a week. Three or four 3,000 a month for, you know, 9,000 over three months. That's a lot of dolphins to kill. I mean, they just slaughter them. It's insane. And they do it in the most inhumane way possible. It's just shocking what they do. So, uh, we we got in between that and tried to stop them. And in Japan, that's called interference with commerce. You're interfering with business when you do that. So, they could put you in jail for that. >> I'm not even going to ask what they do with those dolphins because that is so difficult for me to hear. I'm sure most people listening >> have a lot of love for animals and a lot of understanding their incredible intelligence which is way beyond humans >> and most of them are not even from here you know most of them are originally not even from this planet but to consider >> how we how we terribly abuse these animals and [clears throat] beautiful creatures that really is difficult. Um, and and I commend you. I really commend you for putting action where your knowledge is and doing something. Japan's missing out on you. But, um, I hope they stop that. And I hope a lot of people get involved to do something because this should never happen. And, you know, all the stories with elephants and and so on and so forth, the terrible things, the poaching and all that. Mm- [clears throat] I'm not about it. So, thank you for that work. As an actor, Billy, most actors spend their whole lives waiting for somebody else to cast them. But you decided, I'm going to do my own series. Creating that series, was it born from story? Was it born from frustration? Was it something deeper? >> Well, it all it all started just I was doing these little selfie vignettes. Uh, and it started over 10 years ago. Like I started this whole thing probably almost 15 years ago, I would say. Uh, because I was just doing little vignettes for for my Facebook. In fact, I should go back to my I wonder if I have it in Facebook. Um, little vignettes with me in my first pitbull. And and those little vignettes were me doing these bee movies were terrible. And right after I got thrown out after I lost my housing in Los Angeles, I was in the car with my pitbull. And so I was doing little vignettes that I thought were it was, you know, was it was desperate times. This is when I got back from Japan. I went to Texas. I started I lived in a hotel because I had money saved up. I was on a TV series. So I thought, "Oh, this money will last forever." My I my house in Malibu, I sold it and I made money on that. Oh, this will last forever. And so I was doing all the animal activism stuff and I started filming it which did lead to a series for Nat Geo called Animal Intervention. So it did lead somewhere. Uh but I made no money on that. I lost money. Um and so um so I when I so there was a time a period when I was homeless in the car with the dog and she did get really sick and so I was spending thousands of dollars on her vet bills and um and so uh so there there was a very uh yeah difficult time and um yeah I mean that was uh oh so the vignette so I did little vignettes to kind of well I'm going to do this I'm going to sort document this and have a sense of humor about it and and so I did and and I was putting them on Facebook and they got a lot of people were very interested. I got contacted by a big digital two digital a digital comp management company comedy I they're huge I can't remember what they are but they're in Burbank by the way they're right across the street from that um moss >> I remember that and so um and so that and then also a digital company actually that I should have gone with I don't know why I didn't but um and the guy that owns it runs it is that huge movie star um Australian guy that's in the James Cameron movies. Um >> Oh, the Avatar movies. >> The Avatar movies. >> Yes. >> His company. >> Wow. >> And so and I for and they were they wanted to do it as a as a web series and I don't know what happened there, but I I didn't follow up with that. And so I was just on my own um doing these vignettes. I just kept it to myself. And uh so there was a lot of interest in it though. this is interesting. And then um people said you should really write write a script like do a series. So I started writing writing and unfortunately my first dog I'd had her for a long time. She got cancer. She was misdiagnosed. She got cancer and passed away. And after she passed away I was devastated. She was the closest thing in my life. And so, um, I I I decided not to get another dog because it's just too difficult, especially a pitbull because having a pitbull is like a full-time job. You can't let them go to the dog park and you have there's like, you know, and so and then um and so that's when everything ended. I just put Troubled Billy aside. Uh, I would write little scenes but with nothing no intention of ever shooting it. So, I had no dog. I was doing this to be with my dog. you know, that was the reason that the whole thing happened was cuz my dog. And so she she passed and that was it. And and I was uh absolutely said, "No more dogs. I've had dogs my whole life. They die. I freak out. It's not worth it. I'm not doing it anymore." And spending just so much money. It's insane. And so um so then um I fostered a dog. You know, me and um I did that show for Nat Gio with my rescue partner Allison Eastwood. So, she st started a foundation called Eastwood Ranch Foundation where she rescues dogs and cats. I'm on the board. And so, I fostered one of the dogs. It was a pitbull. And I thought, I'm just going to have this dog for a couple of weeks. I'll get her adopted because I'm pretty good at getting dogs adopted. And so, um so anyway, I um I ended up keeping the dog, >> of course. >> And Yeah. [laughter] and and she was a pitbull. And so little by little, I started writing the script for The Trouble with Billy. And I thought, you know what? Twinkie is going to play Boo. >> Oh. >> Because it because it was almost it was uh it was like two years after Buu had died, I think. And this dog was about this this pitbull was about two years old. So, it was almost a reincarnation. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was >> pretty sure. And that's why I kept her because I thought, you know what, normally I thought, no, there's something peculiar here and this is uh this dog found me. And so this is this is interesting. So I'm going to So it was a reincarnation. And so that inspired me to go forward and to complete the trouble with Billy because I've been doing it for almost 10 years. And people like, "Billy, you're crazy. Let it go. Let it go. Let it go." And I can't. And I finally did finish it. And people are shocked. 10 episodes of a halfhour show independently produced and financed which is unheard of and it's good. [laughter] >> All right. So tell us where first of all where can we see it? And the second question because I already know the answer but you've got some pretty famous people involved with this acting in this. So give us the cast and also where can people find this? Where can they watch it? Well, the easiest thing to do if you can't remember uh is the troublewithbilly.com. It's just the trouble with Billbilly. It's not http or ww. It's just the troublewithbilly.com. And when you go to the website, it'll give you the the link of where to watch it. You can watch it for free with ads on an app called Red Coral Universe. And that's on the website. And that app, Red Coral Universe, uh you can you can watch it on the web or you can watch it on Roku uh TV, the Roku app, which I just did a couple of days ago. Uh you can watch it on Apple on their app. You can watch it on Amazon Fire Stick. Uh and it's on most smart TVs. It's on Samsung. It's just Red Coral Universe. You just go, you just search it on your smart TV or your or Roku and you type in Red Coral. comes right up. You down, you add the app to your TV and you can stream all the episodes for free. You have to watch a few commercials. Um, you can also purchase it on the Trouble with Billy and that's through Vimeo. And that's 20 that's $20 uh for all 10 episodes, but 20% goes to Eastwood Ranch Foundation, which is our dog rescue. So when you spend the 20 bucks, you're actually supporting dogs and cats and us helping them get them out of kill shelters, like kill shelters. So there's two ways to watch it. Um, and we're also giving a portion of the proceeds from Red Coral Universe from the ad revenue also to Eastwood Ranch and possibly some other uh rescues. So the troublebilly.com or if you remember red coral universe, those are the two ways that you can you can watch it. And you've got when you say Allison Eastwood, that's Clint Eastwood's daughter. >> Daughter. Yep. Okay. She's She's not only We did a lot of rescue together. We had a show on Nat Gio called Animal Intervention, but she also stars in The Trouble with Billy. So, she's she plays the cardiologist who diagnoses the dog with heart disease. >> Who else is in the cast? Who else would we know? >> Uh, let's see. Well, Allison Billy Baldwin, William Baldwin, Alec Baldwin's brother. phenomenal actor, very funny, by the way. People don't realize how funny he is. He's very funny. Um, Angus McFaden, you'd recognize him. He was the the co-lead in Braveheart, for example, but he's been in a hundred big movies. >> Um, uh, let me think, uh, Robert Wagner, RJ Wagner, Heart to Heart. >> Amazing. Oh my god. >> He's a legend. He's an icon. Still alive and kicking. >> And, um, gosh, who else? I've got a lot of people. woman. Sally Kirkland, she just passed away, unfortunately. Tom Seismore also passed away. Good friend of mine. Um, so it's got a pretty good cast. Oh, >> pretty good. >> Yeah. Randall Battenoff, who you'll recognize. He's been in a 100 A movies. He only does a movies even though they're supporting roles, but he's fantastic. Robert Peters, same thing. A movie supporting uh Kasus Mandelar, uh, who's been in 150 movies. Um, so you it's a very recognizable cast and a few huge uh social media influencers are also in it. >> Awesome. And so Billy, did you approach them? You had these people in mind and said, "Hey, I'm doing this thing and I'm funding it and it's coming from here there." And so you yourself reached out. >> Oh, yeah. They're all friends of mine. I couldn't afford to pay anybody. So nobody's gonna nobody that I don't know is not going to do it. But people that know me trust me and believe in me and uh think I'm a little crazy, which is fine, but they but they they enjoyed the the script. They really And that's how you can attract actors. Write great stuff for them. And nine times out of 10, they don't even want money. >> That's beautiful. Well, you've been very open about your sobriety. And talk about that a little bit. And what do you think you were truly searching for those years when you were using alcohol and uh drinking and and searching? What was that about? >> Well, I don't know necessarily. It's not really it's not it's not searching. It's just having fun that gets out of control. >> So, I don't I don't believe too much about the searching thing. It's just like it's, you know, I grew up in New York City, Manhattan, and I lived, you know, between Manhattan and Los Angeles, back and forth my whole life. Uh, it's a it's a very progressive crowd. There's a lot of things available, especially in the Hollywood entertainment industry. Um, you know, there's always been alcohol and and drugs. And as as I said, as a little kid, you know, my mom and Valerie parttook in alcohol and marijuana primarily. I didn't see any hard drugs effort, but everybody was smoking pot. It was like it was unbelievable. Um, and so, uh, it just seemed like a way of life. >> Unfortunately for me, it it it it sort of, uh, it bled into the cocaine stuff, and that's the that that that doesn't work. It's very short-lived, the the fun you have on cocaine, and then it's just then it just it's downhill fast. Very addictive. um and very destructive and the destruction comes quickly. Alcohol destruction takes, you know, all of a sudden you hit 65 and you've got cerosis of the liver. >> So alcohol could take forever before you see any. >> Um but cocaine can, you know, months at most a year or two and then it's just downhill. >> And then condundalini yoga became a big part of your life. >> Yes. Yes. >> If somebody out there is listening to this and they've never experienced condundolina yoga yoga, what talk about that what does it supply for you? What did it mean for you? And how do you feel while you're doing it? Well, it really is this ancient uh technology and you know a lot of stuff has been said about Yogi Bajan like a lot of the like they did a documentary about him and saying that he a lot of the seeks say well they don't know where any of this yoga funal yoga came from because they don't have that in seekism or whatever and so it to me that doesn't matter even if if yogi bajan made it all up he was divinely inspire he's a channel so it doesn't matter if it came from 2,000 years ago from their original guru which is Ramdas not the Ramdas from the 60s but Ramdas from the seekism it's in their it's in their uh spiritual teachings so it's it's it's it's so it doesn't matter to me if it was Ram Das from 2 years ago or Yogi Bajjon from 60 years ago it is a technology and it is it does work um and it it combines a lot of things um you know the big thing right now uh is is whim Bim Hoff and and breath work. Everybody's talking about breath work. Breath work. Every Instagram and Tik Tok thing. Breath work. And so which which true breath work is fantastic. It works. But they've been doing that in condundalini the whole time. >> Breath of fire. That's one that's one type of breath work. But we we alternate the nostrils. We do everything that they teach in breath work today. So he's been doing that since you know since the 1960s. Um and and so we have that. So there is a real specific technology and discipline to kundalini yoga and even if yogi bajan made up all those things himself fantastic I don't care it works and it is incredibly complex I mean the every time you sit and do a kundalini yoga class it's a completely different uh set of of movements completely different every time you never do the same set the same uh uh you know in what is regular yoga there's eight poses or something, right? That's it. You do the same thing over and over again. Powerful. But kundalini is is using mudras. Um it it's using breath work. Uh it's using, you know, long discipline. Sometimes you have to hold a position for minutes. And while it might not seem like much, your arms up like this and your thumbs out like this, you try it for 51 minutes, you'll be you'll pass out. Um and so or whether it's the archer pose, try that for 33 minutes. It's you'll just you're pouring sweat. So, so you know, condundalini has has pretty much everything in it. And and also the other thing that's amazing about Kundalini is the um the uh you know the the chanting the the the the mantras that they chant and the music and the call and response that is specific to Kundalini yoga. Sonatam car is a recording star primarily her work is only from Kundalini yoga. So um and she's phenomenal. She's her voice and her music is on par with you know Lady Gaga for example. So this is all born of Kundalini yoga all of it. Um you know and they have their own music label and their music is so unique and so fantastic and they're so inspired. It's shocking. So when I discovered that you know uh I was like wow this is a real this is a you know this is a real untapped source of wealth ancient technology and it's just so beautiful and you know condundalini really focuses on the sound that that we make and so singing and and and music is so important in kundalini yoga it activates the condundalini >> and you do this is there a pattern like is it three times a week, every day. How often do you go? >> Uh, I don't really go anymore. You could do most of it online. Rama closed down in in in Venice. So, Rama did close down. Uh, it was also they moved to Santa Monica. Um, so it did close down. You know, CO hurt everybody. And so, um, uh, so you don't have there's so many people online on YouTube where you can do kundalini yoga. That's phenomenal. And so I I don't do the full 90 minute sets anymore. I don't really have time, but I could do 20 minutes in the morning. It's just a it's just a combination of breath work and one or two kundalini uh poses with the breath work and a little bit of the kundalini music, the call and response, chanting it's called um devotional singing. Um so I do that and um and that's basically it. But it it works and it's it's a it's a powerful technology. >> I love that. Yeah. It's so great to have a practice. I mean to align yourself when you know this day I'm going to have this time for myself to align to connect to be part of the all and it sounds really lovely and I participated in many factions of what you're talking about. So I know this kind of music and uh the mudras and all of that. It's wonderful. Well, we're going to take a really quick break here. Just want to say if something is stirring inside of you, and we are going to get to some UFOs right after this, then aren't you wondering where is my star lineage galactically? What is my ancestry? What species have I been? 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And finally, if you are enjoying this conversation, help us to reach more seekers. Subscribe to the show. Just take a minute and click on that button. like and also leave a comment because we do read them all and we really appreciate you. Thank you in advance. Well, Billy, you and I do have extraterrestrials and UFOs in common. And I would love for you to talk a little bit, whatever you're comfortable with, to share about the UFO experiences you've had. I know you and I have talked and you mentioned Hudson Valley, New York, and any other places or spaces where you've had these cosmic connections? >> Well, it's interesting, you know, when I was very, very young, like four or five years old, my mom and dad got divorc divorce at an early age. And um so I lived with my mom and I would visit my dad uh in in Texas uh every summer for a month, you know, the custody thing. And I was very young. And my dad lived in Dallas, but he had a ranch with his family, cousins, uh, in a place called Manard County, uh, which is like, uh, god, I don't know where. It's in the middle of nowhere in Texas. It's literally the the middle of nowhere. And, um, and so, uh, very large ranch. And again, this is in the 70s. There's, you know, there there's no stores anywhere. you live the people there lived off they had cows and they had and they would shoot animals and eat them deer they'd slaughter their own cows and do all that stuff. It was like a real ranch Texas ranch in the middle of nowhere. There's no Safeways or anything like that anywhere nearby. Um there was a little town I think the town was called Menard I think. I can't remember. And and so um uh and I was telling this to the guy on Beyond Belief. So in the middle of the night, we all lived in the same house when I come came down. There's my dad and his cousins and they kind of they these my cousins had lived there their whole lives and um I was sleeping in the living room on the couch because I was a little tiny kid and all of a sudden the living room got in the middle of the night bright light like the sun was out came in out of nowhere. And so I it woke me up and I went to the window and I looked up and there was this large glowing orb but huge and glowing and hovering over the house. So I went and got my dad, woke him up. He woke everybody in the house got woken up by it. Everybody did. And they got their guns, their their shotguns, and we all went outside and and stared at it. And um and it was there for about an hour and then it disappeared. And I'm trying to remember cuz my my dad my family did contact the sheriff the next day and it did some research and I can't remember what they said it was. Something had blown up in outer space, but that it didn't make sense. It was too clo. It was too And so I had that as a little kid and that always stuck. It was so peculiar. We were all just outside looking up at this thing for an hour. It was bizarre. And it was so bright. It was unbelievable. So, um, >> and nothing happened. There was no contact. It just went away. And >> it just went away. Yeah. Nothing happened. >> And, um, so that would always stuck in the back of my mind. It's always like something, you know, that is something weird. And I saw it and they saw it and it was strange. So that's that. So years, you know, years later, so I always had a an an inkling or a suspicion that there is something else going on out there. So cut to years later, um I was uh I had moved from Malibu back east to New York City. I was doing I was supposed to be on Law and Order for a uh for a bunch of episodes. I did one. And so I was living in the city um on the Upper East Side and my mom had a horse farm out uh in the Hudson Valley. And and again, this is this is a a two-hour drive north from New York City on the Taconic. And like it was just you have these exits on the Taconic, exit 53. And it's like they're little hamlets. >> So they're they don't have anything. Maybe a gas station and maybe a post office. That's it. And that's a tiny post office, like an it's like a shed. And so these are these little hamlets in upstate New York. Um, and everybody there has horse farms. So, everybody goes to bed at 8:30 because you're up at 4:00 a.m. or 4:30 or 5 to get start working with the horses. And it's all farms. So, um, I was I would go up there on the weekends and to spend the weekend up, you know, up on the up in Hudson Valley. And I I I as I would get off, you know, I'd leave Friday around uh 9:30 p.m. and I'd get there like 11:30. And I I kept noticing as I'm getting off the exit, once in a while I would look up just for a second and I would see something weird in the sky that just didn't look normal. Also, there's no airports near here. There's no nothing. There's no military bases. There's this is the middle of nowhere. Again, another the middle of nowhere. Um and and there is nothing around as far as in anything that should be flying in that area at night time because in the daytime you don't see there's nothing ever. No helicopters, no planes, no nothing ever in the daytime. So, um, so I I kept noticing these things, but I have I'm such an addictive personality that I knew not to engage because I was focused on other stuff, getting my career, getting on Law and Order, getting my career back because, you know, I'd taken time off and and and wanted to try to get my career back and start working again as an actor. So, I I knew not to engage in this stuff because it's like a drug. And but you know it wore on me and after a month or so I started to look up and as I started to look up I noticed very anomalous behavior by these craft and um and so I would get to the house my mom's house I dump my stuff in the house go back out with my dog in the car and I would follow these things around and I would chase them around and they were flying very low. They were very large. They were shaped like either triangles or they were shaped like manta rays. And so I was seeing a lot of this and of course my mother and my cousin was out there and my aunt got suspicious of me. They thought I was doing drugs again because why is he up all night and what's he doing all night? People go to sleep at night time. They don't The only way you stay up is if you're doing cocaine. That's keeps you up all night. And and so they thought so and I couldn't tell them anything because they would think I was either crazy or I'm hallucinating on drugs that I'm if I tell them I'm chasing mant manta rays that are flying in the sky, they'd be like, "Uhoh, we need to get him back into institution. He's cuckoo's nest. Need to get him back in. He's he's fl he's flown he's flown away from the coupe and he's out there again." So I couldn't tell anybody that that's a problem. you can't tell anybody anything because they think you're they think you might be have issues because you had issues in the past. So, um, fortunately, I called this guy who I had done a bunch of workshops with in Los Angeles. His name is He's pretty well known in the UFO community. His stuff is really out there, though. His name is Stuart Swerllo. Have you heard of him? >> Yes. >> So, I called Stuart when I said Steuart because Stuart knew me. He knew I wasn't doing drugs or drinking. So, I did a bunch of his workshops, his weekend workshops. So, he knew me and I said, "Steuart, I I'm seeing I'm in Hudson Valley, New York, and I I'm seeing the craziest thing, and I can't tell anybody because they think I'm crazy." He said, "What are you seeing?" I said, "I'm seeing these giant flying triangles. They make no noise. There's no propulsion on them whatsoever. They're either shaped like a triangle or they're shaped like a manta rat. So, it's like a it's like a triangle in the top and then a long triangle in the back like a manta ray. Those those things in the in the ocean. And and uh he said, "Oh, Billy, just just Google Hudson Valley triangles." And I'm like, "You're kidding. That's it's just it's that simple. That simple. Don't worry about it. Read about them and you'll you'll be okay. You're fine." So, I did. He was right. There were loads of sightings in Hudson Valley, but in the 90s, not in the early 2000s. In fact, when you follow and I read there's a couple of books written about them. So, I read all the books. I got the books. I read everything. And so those now the thing is is the Hudson Valley Triangles were hu thousands of people, police officers, firemen, thousands saw in the '9s in the Hudson Valley these giant triangles flying over Hudson Valley all the time, but they just they just one day they just stopped and nobody ever saw one again. And people would go out to the meadows where they'd gone before the fields and they had these viewing parties all the time. Yeah. with like a hundred people just waiting and the triangle would come and then they then they so they have the viewing parties again and all of a sudden no triangles anymore. They just stopped and so so but somehow I'm seeing them. I'm the only one seeing it. So I found a guy I read about him in all the different books and the different blogs and all that stuff. His name is Dr. Bruce Cornet and he's a geology teacher at man this this this university this college in New Jersey. So he's a big experiencer. So I was able to track his number down because he's a teacher. Easy to find his phone number and his email. And uh so I I I contacted him. I told him what I was seeing and he said, "Well, I I'm not that I'm calling you a liar. However, I'm so connected in the Hudson Valley, Billy, that if there were triangles, I'm the first person that would know because all my contacts are always checking the sky just to see. And nobody has seen them. So, I'm not calling you a liar. Maybe you're seeing them or maybe you're getting them confused with something else, but there are no triangles anymore. They're gone. I said, "Well, I'm telling you, I'm seeing them every night and they're flying right over me." So I said to him, I said, 'How about this? My mom has a guest bedroom, big house in the in Hudson Valley, huge house, big farm, and uh if if you want to come out and stay for the weekend, I can show it to you. He said, "Okay, I'm happy to do that." And he came out. Lo and behold, a giant triangle showed up. He recorded it on on video. And then he has it's online. It's called um where is it? I can't remember what it's called. Sunstar. I can't remember. Just if you Google Dr. >> How low how low are they flying? When you say a triangle comes over, is this something that is yards uh is it miles up in the sky? Where is it? >> No, it's about three it's it's about maybe uh maybe two to 300 feet above you. >> Wow. It has no propulsion system and they just glide over you and then when they turn they turn like they bank. It's kind of like an ice it's kind of like an ice skater the way ice skaters can move and they they bank like that. So it's it's very bizarre and they don't make any noise. However, they do make a loud noise when they're right above you, but the minute they pass the noise disappears. So he has an analysis online if you just type in like Dr. Bruce Cornet. I think I think it's Milbrook, New York. Uh, and he has the whole thing analyzed for you right there. You can see it. Can that was me. He has a picture of me at the time standing in the fields in daytime where we saw it at night time. And and um and and he said, "Yes, they're back." >> Wow. So, he knew you were telling the truth. And that did that go anywhere? Was that something he wanted to keep researching or experiencing with you or where did you go with all of that? >> Well, what so that I I I chased the triangles for months. So, I was in into it for months and I chased them in the car and I was able to keep up with them sometimes. Um, they would uh I I did notice some very weird stuff happen. So there would be all of a sudden at night time when I was waiting for it in this one null um out of nowhere a single engine plane would show up and fly around the area and that was very suspicious because I checked all the airports. There are some private little airports in that area. At night time though they're all shut down. I've contacted them. I've driven to them. I've sat there from 6:00 p.m. till midnight. No activity. They are shut down. There's nobody in the little control tower. They are shut down. So, wherever this small plane was coming from was nowhere within 100 miles of my mom's house because I looked everywhere. I went online. I found I called the air these airports. Hey, are you guys letting any planes at night time? Nope. We do not. We do not. Nothing happens at night time here. Okay. So, the single engine plane would fly around and if I hid uh or didn't come out until after the single engine airplane left, the triangles would show up. If the single engine airplane saw me or I was out in the open and it caught me, no triangles that night. >> What do you think that was? >> So, I mean, this is the the good news and the bad news. This is what kind of broke me of the um of the addiction. One night on a full moon, there was a large triangle flying over me. I could see it absolutely perfectly in the full moon. It was unbelievable. But it had three huge military helicopters surrounding it, escorting it. So that told me most likely this is just US military experimental craft. So it's not an alien from outer space. Now it could be reverse technology because I did notice that the when they were when they were flying with the triangle it w it was wobbling. it wasn't doing well and they were and it was going very slow and the helicopters were you know positioned around it like a you know and it they were escorting it or somebody was maybe test flying it or whatever I don't know but I saw it clear as day and they were regular military helicopters so there's no space aliens um and so that that that kind of cured me because I thought you know what people saw I think they saw the stealth fighters in Nevada in the 70s or late 70s. So they had the stealth technology in the 70s and it wasn't until like you know or the early 80s. It wasn't until and people saw those stealth things. They thought they were they were alien aircraft. People would go out to Area 51 and sit there with their binoculars and see these stealth things flying. So it's so more than likely it's some technology we have that they're gonna it's going to come out 10 years from now. We'll see them all the time. We'll see them at the July July 4th. they'll have manta rays flying over the beach on July 4th. And so that kind of cured me. I I because originally I just wanted I wanted to have contact with an alien being. But as soon as I found out there's humans with it, it's like well, you know, now two things that that that that standoff though. So, the other thing that Stuart told me on the phone is he said that the the hot bed of all the activity in the '9s for the triangles in Hudson Valley was a town called Now, I'm not I'm not giving away anything because you could find this online. So, I was told to keep a secret about this, but this stuff is online. So, I'm I don't It's online. You can find it on Google. So, I'm not giving away any secrets. The town doesn't want to be bothered anymore because they got overrun. It's a tiny town called Pine Bush. Pine Bush, New York. They had so much activity there that Pine Bush was like an international hot spot for activity in the 90s and they were overrun. They had So Stuart also said to me, I have a contact in Pine Bush you could call and you can maybe go to some of the meetings that they have and that's on my TV show, The Trouble with Billy. That's where the AAA meetings come from. Alien Abductees Anonymous. And these are people that have been abducted in that town and taken on the craft. And these abductees all have a very similar story. So, and they're not coordinating because they're from different walks of life. Um, I don't think they're coordinating and they all have similar stories and there are these reptilian beings on these craft as well as human beings in US military gar uh unic garb green drab garb. But they're humans for sure. And these other things that are not human or maybe they're wearing a costume. I don't know. It's very possible. But they have these people have these stories. So there is something weird going on. So while I do believe that technology might be military, there is something else also in a town called Haramman, New York. I shouldn't say this because these people don't they definitely want to be left alone. Um is I saw a craft twice. one first time up close and it's a it's a it was a smaller manta ray and it was a technological craft on the the hull was a technological craft just like these just just like the the the the triangles that I saw in Hudson Valley. However, the top had like a bubble like a turret on it but that turret was biological. It was reptilian crocodilian. It did not have a snout or a mouth, but it had it had the crocodile neck, the the leathery skin that that blended into the craft on top. So, it's part craft, part biological. This thing was not two separate things. It was one thing. The bottom was a craft, you know, flying craft. The top, the turret head was the head of a reptile, of a reptilian crocodilian. No snout, no mouth, but large black eyes. And when it would turn, it wouldn't turn like a turret. Didn't rotate. It would turn like this because I I came up from behind. I was driving out of an ashram. I was at one of these a these yoga ashrams doing chanting, you know, doing sonatum car chants. And I was driving out at midnight one night and right across the street is the public school in Haramman, New York. and right hovering above the main uh building which is only a one-story building but literally just 50 ft above it. So, it's less than 100 feet off the ground and it's just sitting there and it's almost like an animation and and so this thing was facing away from me and and like a turret though but not cuz when it turned it turned naturally like a by you turned by and you saw the skin crinkle up as it turned to look over its shoulder at me and I was stunned and it's looking right at me and it can so the craft doesn't turn just the head turns. and looks over its shoulder at me and then it sees me and it starts to move off silently. Just just moving off. I chased it for about 30 minutes until >> Yeah. until it came to a golf course [clears throat] and I got to the golf course and I had a choice. I was in a four-wheel drive vehicle. Um, you know, I could continue to chase it, but I would probably destroy the golf course. >> Yes, you would. >> Because the the grass is so it's so, you know, your four-wheel drive vehicle. And that's jail. I I grew up, you know, my dad was a golf. I played golf in Dallas. Very, my dad was a very good golfer. So, I grew up with my dad playing golf. And you even, you know, when you when you hit the you make a divot, they get upset. It's like, that's $10,000, you you know, so if you make, you know, if you drive over a golf course, you're you're going to go to they're going to put you in jail and it's like a $100,000 fine. So, I knew that and I don't know if the craft knew, but as soon as it got to the golf course, I was unable to follow it and it just disappeared. >> I love this story. And you know, I was recently once again in upstate New York in a place called East Nassau. I have friends who live there in just, you know, God's country. It's so beautiful that's also near like the Shaker Abode in New Lebanon. And they were driving me around to show me all these different sectors up there, all these different beautiful towns. And then there was a sign that said 12 miles Hudson Valley. I thought of you right away. I thought, "Oh, that's where all of that took place." >> Yeah. >> What do you think, Billy? Do you think that there's an awareness of you starting of when you were young and this giant sunlike orb showed itself to you and your family? Do you feel like you've lost time and had not abduction but connection that maybe this wish of yours to meet an extraterrestrial to be connected with them has actually happened? Well, I really don't know. I don't I don't I don't know if I've I don't think I've lost time. I mean, and and the funny thing is after that Hudson Valley experience, um I haven't seen anything since. Nothing. And I've gone out and I've looked I've looked in Depa and Malibu. I've tried everything, you know, and um I haven't seen anything at all. So, that's it's weird. And and so yeah, I was so I don't know. I I don't know. But yes, I do feel a connection to something else off off this planet for sure. Uh I I do feel like I'm not really from this planet. I feel and you know it's funny. I I did have an amazing experience at Rhythmia in Costa Rica when I was doing Iawaska for the first time. The last night there which is the most intense night of all. The last night there um I was having a beautiful visions. I was having consults. I was having pentas. I was having all the things that you have, the psych, the surge, the soul surgery. I had all these wild experiences in at at Rhythmia. But the strangest experience of all was on the last night and it was completely out of place as I was rolling around. The last night they give you an very powerful dose of iawasa. >> Yeah. Well, it's yahi. The last night I've been to, right? Yahi is a perkative. So while you're purging trauma and all sorts of stuff from your body, yes, it's powerful and you can get more than one cup if you're called to, which I was. So I fully understand. >> Well, my friend who was there tried to make me take another cup. And here's the story. So I'm rolling around on the ground, very uncomfortable, and I'm in all these dark places. I feel like I'm underground. I'm claustrophobic. I'm like in a grave deep underground and having a pretty rough experience. But then all of a su and it's very hot and humid. You know, the the the place out there is open and it was raining really hard, but it was the humidity was intense in Costa Rica. And so, but it was just hot and it was very uncomfortable. It was a rough night, you know, and and sweating and just the stomach was hurting. And then just like this, I just shot out of my body and I ended up on a giant spacecraft in deep outer space and I was on the observation deck and I was on a I was on a short scaffolding standing on a short scaffolding looking at through a giant glass window of outer space and we were moving through outer space and there was a beam standing next to me. Now I was on a scaffolding. If I wasn't on the scaffolding, the being would have been three or three feet higher than me. So, but on the scaffolding, I was face to face with this being. And it was, you know, eight probably eight feet tall. Now, the body was shaped like a manta, but it was wearing a it was wearing a chrome a shiny beautiful chrome almost like a robot, a chrome spaceuit, but very angular and very beautiful shiny chrome. But the but the interior body was shaped like a manta. And I started to communicate with it telepathically. And I said to it, I said, um, I said that what and I I said, um, it's an entirely different species down there and you gave me the wrong weapon. And then boom, shot back down in my rolling on the ground feeling sick and horrible. But for for for a minute, I was air. It was cool, nice and cool. I didn't feel sick to my stomach. I didn't have diarrhea. I was not sweating. I was just very calm and collected. This being did not scare me. And I'm all of a sudden, boom, I'm in this observation deck next to this giant buglike chrome creature. Not no fear. Totally felt like in communication with it, like I'm part of whatever it is. I was sent down to this planet by this what this whatever this whatever this race was. >> And what did you mean by that statement? You gave me the wrong weapon. >> Good question. I don't know. But my friend who kept pushing me to do more, who works at Rhythmia, he came over said, "How how you doing? How you doing?" I said, "I'm fine. I'm fine." He goes, "You need another cup." I said, "No, I don't want another cup." "No, you're going to get a cup. You I you know, brought you here, Billy. You're going to do the whole thing tonight." And I'm like, "Oh." So, I said, "Okay, okay." I felt guilty. So, he brought me up to the shaman and he says to the shaman, "He needs another cup." And the shaman goes, "Do you want another cup?" And I said, 'Well, he Johnny says I should have another cup. And he goes, "Let me ask you a question. Anything going on right now? Did you have any visions or pintas or anything?" I said, 'N no, not really. I'm just rolling around sick to my stomach and really hot and sweaty and oh, well, yeah, I just I did go up on a spacecraft for a minute. And um and I and he said, "Oh, you went on a spacecraft?" I said, "Yeah, but just for a minute." And but that's it. And he goes, "Did anything happen?" said, "Yeah, I saw this giant um I saw this giant um um you know, praying mantis and I communicated with it." And he goes, "Oh, did you talk?" I said, "No, just just through the mine." "What'd you say?" And I told him. I said, "Um that uh it's an entirely different species down there and you gave me the wrong weapon." He goes, "Oh, you said wrong weapon." I said,"H says, "Okay, I don't know what that means." And he said to my friend Johnny, "No more for him. Go sit down." >> Wow. >> Yeah. Oh my god, you know, this is so beautiful. Thank you for sharing all of that because I feel like we just got a hero's journey and there may be a lot more to your story. But the fact that as a young kid, you started out by seeing this craft, this orb. I've also seen giant orbs. They're not angel orbs. They're species or something else. And then the fact that you had this very specific >> again these mantis shaped it feels to me very much like it's family. They're aware of you. They're checking on you. They're showing up for you which I think is quite beautiful because part of that is remembering like our star codes are coming online and being activated. And here is all this happening to you. And then cuz if it's going to happen anywhere, it's going to happen in rhythmia. It too changed my life. >> And so you're having this very uncomfortable experience and that you get extracted >> to be in contact, albeit it was probably too short for you. But still, that feels so powerful to me. That feels like such confirmation to me that this is a species of some sort of which you are originally from and that they would reveal themselves to you to make that contact. You had some higher so oversoul talking to that being as though you were >> right >> brothers family giving them information and maybe it was enough that they would without you knowing give you something else that you might need more down here in this 3D place. >> Right? >> But that alone is a movie right there. And I thank you for sharing all of that with the audience because so many of us have had craft experience, direct extraterrestrial or telepathic extraterrestrial or in our dreams, all the things. So we know what you're sharing is true. And I'll say even that part of the story I find very interesting what you determine that this has been reverse engineered uh this the Hudson Valley portion some of it anyway has been reverse engineered because if it also sounds to me like that piece of the story where you were really tracking these objects. It almost feels like some of it was real spacecraft and some of it was especially with the plane coming out, >> right, >> reverse engineered. And I think we know that the government has had hold of all of this machinery and this knowing for a long time. I felt like when you said it came, the only time you heard a noise was right above you and then nothing. that also is a little suspect because the craft I know never >> never have a noise. >> So anyway, all of that, you're a great storyteller. Thank you for that. I'm so glad you came on the show. I really am. And I appreciate so much you sticking with it, you creating a project for yourself and your love of the animals and all the great things you do. Um, tell us where can people find you, Billy? >> Well, on Instagram it's just William McNamera108. Um, I think on Tik Tok is like trouble with Billy. Uh, uh, so, you know, I think people just if you Google my name, William McNamera, actor, a lot of stuff comes up. And of course, the best place is the is the website the troublewithbilly.com because from there it's it's got the it's got I think it has the Instagram, the Tik Tok, the Facebook. I think it has all the links on the bottom of the website somewhere. So the troublewithbilly.com is the best place. >> Beautiful. Well, this is Dare to Dream. Billy, what are you next? Dareto Dream. What are your future dreams and goals? Well, really my future dreams and goals are to continue, you know, to to have success with The Trouble with Billy, to get it out there and to do Second Season and um and uh and and yeah, that's about that about it. I I live in a a dreamy place in Santa Monica, so I I feel like my I my dream comes true every morning when I get up. We've got this great sun. It's not too hot in Santa Monica. So, I wear a bathing suit every day. I'm wearing a bathing suit right now. and you know, I'll be on the beach or whatever. So, I I I live a dream life. >> Well, thank you. Um, and thanks for what you're doing. And for folks out there, once again, the URL is the trouble with Billy. Is it the trouble with BillySeries.com? >> No. Well, it it'll re it'll re it'll send you to the troublebillieseries.com, but just type in the troublewithbilly.com. It's easier to remember. the troublewithbilly.com and it'll send you where you need to go. >> Perfect. And it's clear that this man has had quite a life and continues to do so. And I end today's show just pulling together this thought. Perhaps success is not about becoming famous. And perhaps it's about becoming fully yourself and then creating from that place. Until next time, keep your heart open, stay curious, and trust what your soul already knows. And as always, dare to dream. Next week on the show, I am featuring the amazing Sandrine. Many of you might know her. She is a channeler, multi-dimensional channeler, specifically of the Octuran beings. You won't want to miss that one. Thanks for joining us today.