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Will Space Mirrors Cause Catastrophic Light Pollution?

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The video discusses a controversial proposal by a company to deploy massive space mirrors in orbit around Earth, designed to reflect sunlight onto the planet's surface. These proposed structures, part of a larger constellation that could eventually number around 50,000 units, would be approximately 54 meters in diameter for the full-scale version, with an initial test model measuring 18 by 8 meters. Orbiting at an altitude of roughly 600 kilometers, each mirror is intended to illuminate a circular patch on Earth about 2.5 kilometers wide, effectively creating a moving beam of artificial daylight that could theoretically allow solar panels to operate continuously. However, the transcript highlights significant concerns regarding the environmental impact and the sheer scale of this project, noting that such a system would fundamentally alter the nighttime environment rather than simply acting as a passive reflector. Research published in *The Astrophysical Journal Letters* indicates that the light pollution generated by these mirrors would be far more intense than natural sources. A single mirror within the beam would appear as a point source 16.7 magnitudes bright, which is four orders of magnitude brighter than the full moon and would render the brightest stars invisible to observers within the illuminated zone. The sky background under such conditions would resemble dusk immediately after sunset, with the glow exceeding lunar luminance for much of the day. Even at distances up to 30 kilometers from the beam's center, the light pollution remains significant enough to alter the night sky, and if hundreds of mirrors were deployed simultaneously, the effect could be visible from as far away as 80 kilometers, potentially disrupting ecosystems by affecting birds, insects, fish, and amphibians that rely on natural light cycles. Beyond the immediate ecological disruption, the video raises critical questions about the feasibility, control, and regulatory oversight of such a project. The mirrors would not remain stationary but would orbit the Earth, requiring active propulsion to counteract atmospheric drag at 600 kilometers, which introduces risks of collision with existing satellites or debris in low Earth orbit. There is also skepticism regarding the ability of private entities to manage these objects safely without causing widespread harm, especially since current satellite deployment practices are largely uncoordinated among nations. The transcript expresses strong opposition to the idea of beaming energy or light down from space, arguing that humanity should instead focus on improving battery technology and deploying solar panels directly on Earth rather than adding more artificial illumination to the atmosphere. Ultimately, the discussion concludes with a call for international regulation and strict limits on projects that could impact the entire planet's environment. The speaker emphasizes that permitting for such massive infrastructure should not be left to individual countries or private companies without global oversight, as the consequences would affect everyone regardless of borders. While the initial test has been approved, there is no confirmed launch date or completed manufacturing of the mirrors yet, leaving time for further scrutiny. The overarching sentiment is one of anger and disbelief at the decision to proceed with such a potentially catastrophic experiment, urging society to reconsider why we are racing toward environmental degradation when existing solutions like better energy storage and direct solar harvesting are available and safer alternatives.
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I remember when I was talking about earlier in the summer the space mirrors that um there's a company that wants to put a giant space mirror up in orbit around the earth to reflect sun onto the planet. God >> and there would be like a beam of sunlight. >> Blair, you're hiding your face. >> This is literally a plot in the Simpsons. [laughter] >> That's right. But it burned the surface of the earth and it sure did. Yeah. >> Yeah. So uh in this work researchers again publishing in astro in the astrophysical journal letters [snorts] the researchers have published a study called atmospheric light pollution by proposed reflect orbital space mirrors. They went on to analyze exactly how bright the light from these mirrors which are uh 54x 54 m in diameter. Those are that's the the Irendil. It's always something that sounds like it's out of Tolken. Um but it's a Pathfinder for a constellation of about 50,000 mirrors. Okay. So the mirrors later are going to be 54 x 54 meters in diameter. The test the pilot that's been approved is 18 by8 m and it's going to be >> it's still really big. >> It's really big. is going to be orbiting at about 600 kilometers and should illuminate a 2.5 kilometer circular patch here on our planet. Um, [sighs and gasps] okay. >> Who's in charge of the permits in space? >> Right. So, it's the the international space community should be responsible for this, but the United States um has said >> not us. No, no, no. We can't be trusted right now. >> No, no, no, no, no. >> I know. But that's what >> Nobody should be giving us the keys or the pen for anything. Well, well, if this space mirror does, it has been approved. If it does actually make it to launch, we should know what we're getting in what, you know, how much brightness it's going to bring to those 2.5 kilometers as it I don't know dances across the surface of the Earth. >> It's also big 2 and a half kilometers. That's >> Yeah. And so, so think it's not it's going to be a beam, but it's not going to be a perfect beam. we have an atmosphere and there's this thing that we know about we have a blue sky because of it called uh the Raleigh scattering or the scattering and this is the aerosol scattering of the light from that beam and so there's reflection from the albido in the sky from the albido of the surface of the planet um there are different atmospheric properties that increase or redu uh reduce the scattering that occurs and anyway they did a bunch the calculations and they demonstrate that the light pollution caused by one of these satellites is significant altering the nighttime environment up to about 30 km away from that 2.5 km circular patch. [snorts] Remind me why we're doing this. Why do they want a like a light 2 and 1/2 km patch? I think the idea is that it would allow solar panels to work 24 hours a day. >> No, come on. No, we have batteries. What are you doing? >> I know. >> Battery technology has come a long way, people. Um, okay. So uh the the results from this analysis within the beam uh an observer within the beam of one of these 54 meter satellites that's proposed the mirror will appear as a 16.7 mag point light source about four orders of magnitude four mag four mags brighter than the full moon. The sky background will be similar to dusk right after sunset. So bright that you will not be able to see the brightest stars. 14 km away. The glow from a single mirror will exceed the luminance of the full moon sky for the majority of the day. for the majority of the sky. From a distance of 34 kilometers, the sky will still appear brighter than the moon lit sky in the direction of the beam. If 400 mirrors like this, and they're talking about 50,000 mirrors, if 400 m mirrors illuminate the same patch simultaneously, the glow would be obvious from 80 km away. Why are we racing towards death? Why are we doing that? That's what this feels like. This is going to kill birds. It's going to kill bugs. This is going to kill fish. It's going to kill amphibians. >> Talk about Allan. Like >> Allan can take a back seat. Allan's nothing compared to this. Allan, sit [laughter] down. You're fine. >> What? >> Yeah. >> Nobody's porch light can hold a candle >> to this. >> A standard candle. >> I Why? What? energy >> as our as our uh chat is lighting up saying this will contribute to global warming >> and so that is a thing that I am very interested in it like don't we want to take energy out of our atmosphere >> why would we add more to our atmosphere up against >> it all >> take this energy that you're putting towards this and I'm talking about like just the power the mental power that y'all are putting towards figuring this out >> and instead figure out how to put solar panels facing >> the sun [laughter] >> and bop bop the energy back down to us from space. Don't don't bring it here. >> No. >> What are you doing? >> Yeah. Also, like you think you can control exactly where these things go and not ruin endangered species habitat or I mean if it's if it's locked, you know, orbally locked to the planet and just stays in one spot over a bunch of solar panels. I mean, that's maybe less environmental impact, but if you're talking about something that's like a normal satellite and it's going to range over a large large amount of the Earth's surface, um, yeah, I don't know. >> Do you really think it's going to orbly lock though? Like I I >> That depends on where where and how they put it. >> Trust cuz also like there's all sorts of other crap up there. >> It's going to bang into it. Then what? [laughter] [gasps] Where is this going in the atmosphere? >> Well, it's not going to be in the atmosphere. >> Well, yes. So, it's it's >> 600 kilometers up. So, >> like this is well past the edge of space out where >> other satellites exist. Actually, it's a great question to see whether this is um if that distance is >> how far? 600 kilometers. >> 600 kilometers. Oh, tippity tappity. I hear you. Tippity tappity. >> No, it's great. >> Let us look it up. >> Uh, low Earth orbit atmosphere. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> The air here is extremely thin, but there's atmospheric drag. >> Yeah. So, this test would not stay up there. is is the basic idea. So, >> oh, here we go. I found a >> it would have to actively try to keep from having its orbit decay. But yeah. Oh, here we go. This is what I was looking for. Okay, so planes are as high as 180. Uhhuh. uh space shuttles and the like are the ones who go up to 10,000 and beyond. >> Mhm. >> Um it looks like interesting. Yeah. Satellites auroras are in the thermosphere. Huh. Wild. Yeah. So, a lot of our satellites it seems are about uh in that 600 the low earth orbit satellites are within that 600 to 800 kilometer distance. Um yeah, but we've got but I that's not where you get like um orbally locked >> but meteors regularly go all the way into the messosphere it says. >> Oh, sure. Yeah. No, I mean it's just not that far away. Um, >> so it's going to get hit. >> Not necessarily. [laughter] >> I don't think that's the issue. Or you're looking forward to that? >> No, I'm just saying just this whole idea that we can like control it and it'll be orbit orally locked. this giant grid of mirrors. It just feels very precarious and bulky and awkward and it I just don't trust that it would actually stay where it's supposed to be. And then before we know it, like the the nursing home has it pointed at it and everyone's freaking out because it [laughter] it doesn't look like nighttime. You know what I mean? Like it just [gasps] >> Yeah. >> It just it feels silly. I don't understand why we're doing this. I'm angry. >> Yeah. I mean, it's a test so far. The test has been approved. Uh I don't think it has a set uh launch date at this point. I don't even think they've made the mirrors yet. I have no idea. But um yeah, we should keep we will keep looking. >> Okay. >> I also think that the the permitting for this should be international. We should have control. >> Yeah. For something like this that could impact the entire planet, it definitely should be. But I mean, every country puts up their own satellites, right? Still does that. We have. and will do for a very long time. And so this is simply that kind of adventure at this point. >> Yeah. I feel like there needs to be a limit though. Like something above a certain size and weight, >> you need more buy in. >> But specifically, this is about beaming things down. Even if it's just light, >> it's about impacting the surface of the planet from space. Like this is such a different animal. >> It's Yeah. Oof. I hate it. [laughter] You're like, I'm not happy with this. I don't like it at all.