WikiTree Tech Talk (August 2026)

[music] Welcome everyone to our August Tech Talk Zoom chat um get together. Uh hope you're all doing well. Final day of August. It's kind of fun to have our tech talk zoom on the very final day of the month. Um mathematically that's appealing to me. I [snorts] don't know why but it is um but so we're here here at the end of August and uh there has been some work done um not by me uh I have done very little wiki tree app development this week uh this month um but uh lots of other things have going going on so uh without further ado I am going to turn over to Jamie and just let everyone else who knows who is here live uh in the zoom chat with us um if you have questions that you'd like answered. That's part that's, you know, that's one of the primary thing reasons why we do this. Um, then put them in the chat. Uh, put a queue in front so that we know exactly to uh to address them and we will address them at some point throughout the hour. Um, if there's something specific about that, um, a question about some of the things that have been being presented, then please do ask that and we'll we'll answer those um in turn. But for now, I think we're going to start off uh with a message from Jamie and what's new. [snorts] >> Hello. >> Yeah, just a a quick API update for this month. Um so tomorrow we're going to push an update to the API. So, uh you can get up to 25 generations of ancestors at once. Um, it's you could you could still only get 10 generations of descendants or 10 uh they're not generations but of of nuclear relatives like >> um just because those can explode like quite dramatically pretty quickly. So 25 would would be way too much. But for ancestors, we figured there's only like there's like a maximum amount that 25 generations could be. So that was okay. So we're changing that. And then also in case you just wanted to make like one API call to get 10 generations and you're lucky enough to have all of that filled out, uh the maximum number of profiles that are returned at once is now um 1025 instead of a thousand just so you don't have to page through that. So yeah, just just some small changes but but things that might be helpful for app developers. Um so yeah, that's all for the API for this month, I think. And yeah, that should go live tomorrow. I've tested it. Um so it's good to go. >> That is excellent news, Jamie. I'm very excited about that. Um so Murray already has a question for me in the chat. [laughter] How will [clears throat] the ancestors equal 25 going to affect the DNA confirmation tool? Um, well, that will actually make it a lot easier um to do those comparisons because right now I've had to load in stages and um to to com to make sure that the we have we're accounting for indogamy and that we only have one unique path. Um, it has to go through multiple things and uh lots of tricky stuff. But if I can load up to 25, I I don't think we'll need 25, but I could easily load up 15, which we definitely need um for those calculations. I can do that lickety split, which is fantastic. Also means that um if I can figure out how a way to to make space and you know change the font size to maybe four point, we can extend the fan chart to additional generations around the outside. Um, >> so like right now I think I've got it's 10 or 11 is the is the restriction. Um, and part of that is because of the API. >> Um, but part of it is logistics on how to how to put it there and and make it legible. But >> now that it's easier to go it'll be easier to go multiple generations. Uh, it'd be nice to make it go 13 12 or 13. We'll see. So, I'm very excited about this. Unfortunately, this means more work for me. But [snorts and laughter] just as school begins again and I've got the grandkids to look after during the day. So, I don't know how this is going to happen. Um, if I can teach my three-year-old grandson to program though, that'll help. Maybe. I don't know. Uh, okay. Uh, two to the two to the 25th. Yeah. Well, I'm so impressed you chose that you the you extended the number of profiles returned to be 2 to the 10th plus one. That's very cool. Um, no one has a complete 25 generation. Uh, yeah, that's that's true. Um, was that is that that's the the big news? Was there anything else from the tech team, Jamie? >> Uh, >> I didn't want to cut you off. Sorry, I did cut you off because I was excited. >> So, we're we're working on I mean, this isn't for the API or anything, but we're working on uh surname collaboration stuff, >> right? >> Um, so Chris just sent a draft of one of the new surname newsletters, I guess, or updates, which is pretty cool. Uh because it will like if you're following the Smith's surname or something, >> it will um show you like all the new DNA matches or well not matches but like all the people that have taken DNA tests and >> right >> uh people that have followed that surname. So it's kind of like a weekly update. I think maybe it was monthly >> uh just you can kind of track your your surname. So that that's kind of fun. [laughter] >> Very cool. Cool. >> Trying to think of what else. August was kind of slow for all of the tech team because we were all gone at different times. So, [laughter] but >> you need holiday back. So, >> yes. >> So, uh we're starting to work on stuff again. So, >> but Patty uh makes an interesting point. Uh allowing biological and non-biological parents makes the number even bigger. So if you do an ancestors a get ancestors or um no [clears throat] it is from get people specifically right? >> Yeah just get people um um >> get ancestors is kind of like we've been trying to >> deprecate it right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So get people will return biological and non-biological parents like the bio parents. >> Was it doing it before? [laughter] >> Uh I think it is now >> because Yeah. Yeah. So it should it we just changed the number basically. [laughter] So >> should should still work. >> I'll have to [laughter] >> if you have that type of double well so like myself for example because I have all four flavors of parents. [laughter] Um then for me I will reach the 102. Well I could potentially reach the 1025 at only nine generations >> right. Um so I guess I better put that in there. >> Yeah. Paging will still work. So like paging will still work. >> I think we still return up to is it 10,000 profiles or something like that. >> Um just not all at once. You'll have to make >> not all at once. Yeah. Yeah. So I can't just get rid of the paging code because it was such a pain. [laughter] The logic was hard to figure out at first. It shouldn't have been hard to figure out, but I was stumbling over it a bit. I don't know why. >> Yeah, I think I think the list was put put into the to-do list. It was before we worked on the biological stuff. So, [laughter] >> a lot of stuff is like in there for years and then it's just when when somebody has time to work on it, it, you know, >> moves through and gets done. >> Okay. >> Well, and like I don't know if I'm supposed to show the the surname draft yet, so >> Okay, then. Well, that's fine. We'll look forward to that when it gets released. >> I think I think we're planning for in two weeks. >> It's really cool, though. Oh, >> saw it, too. Yeah. So, yeah, I think I think we're planning for for in two weeks. >> Super. Uh, then let's switch gears and Murray, over to you to tell us what's been happening with the Wikipree browser extension. Uh, thanks to all the work that Ian Bele has been doing. >> I guess the first thing to do is go to the go to the uh help page. So, click on the question mark there down down beside the uh the wiki tree enhanced by Wiki Tree browser extension. Oh, there we go. Right there. Yeah. Top left corner. Yes. >> And then uh and then search for blind with color blind support. What happened was that um somebody somebody asked the question in G to G and said, you know, gee, I'm color blind. Uh what what what can you do for me? Because whenever whenever there's a red category, I don't really notice that it's red because to me red and green um links look the same. M >> so so the initial reaction >> was >> nobody has time for this [laughter] and it turned out you know that that nobody really does have time for this but you know eventually you've got to make time for it and so um so Ian and his friend Claude got together and and and myself and my friends Caster and Pock got together and um we started asking a lot of questions about colorb blindness and and what's what and and Claude came up with one set of answers and and Caster and Paul came up with a different set of answers and ultimately we worked towards a solution while Ian worked towards a solution. Our default colors for links on Wiki Tree are green. [clears throat] >> And our default color for error is red. >> And so people who have red green color blindness at at a severe enough degree will not be able to distinguish between them. >> Mhm. You can set up your palette so that you you can prefer to use the the colorblind safe uh okitabi eido or you can you can filter for red green or high contrast or do nothing at all. And the do nothing at all is a good one to have because >> um otherwise if you turned on this feature then you'd have to choose a pallet >> and and for me I didn't have to choose a pallet. I actually stuck with the default pallet. What I had to do was go and tune my my OS settings, >> right? >> I'll talk about that a little bit more later. So, you can you can often just tune your settings so that you can see things better. >> Maybe not perfectly the Anyway, so you can choose a pallet and if that palette suits you, that's great. And so in order to for you to um see how those pallets work, maybe if you skim down to the bottom >> and you can see that uh yeah there simulator. So if you go to the simulator for >> um dut duteronopia. Yep. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And now you'll notice that the colors on your screen have will have changed. >> Oh, did they? If you choose a different simulator, for example, yeah, no color at all. And that's not doing anything. And I guess you have to refresh your screen. Was it >> Oh, that would Does that make s Okay. Uh, what kind of Okay. Well, there we go. >> There you go. >> So, you can see all the colors have been have been eliminated and and it's all grayscale now. >> Acromatopsia. >> Yeah. And so >> So, that's a gray a grayscale basically, isn't it? >> Yeah. And so [clears throat] um so this the reason to have that there is for for for us for developers to be able to see when we're doing something and we're using colors on the screen and designing you know a a part of the screen if we want to see how the colors contrast we can turn this on and see how it looks in in grayscale and with the different filters. And so if our if our typographic element, it might be an icon, it might be a colored word, it might whatever. If those things don't show up in one when one of those filters is on, then you know you've got a problem and maybe shouldn't use that particular color. >> Right. >> Okay. Now, if we can go back to the control uh the control. >> Now, can you see my the bottom right where I have this popup here? >> Yep. >> Okay. So I could try if I just choose due to opia. So that's the one that's the one you first asked about. And what color is that? Let's see. >> That's for red green. >> A red green. Okay. >> So to me the the banner there looks a little more orangey or reddish I guess. And that's a bright orange. I don't see a lot of green here, but I can definitely tell the difference between the male and the female colors. to me everything looks green. >> Oh yeah. So depend depending on how on your your particular color blindness >> ah >> when you switch things around another person will not see it the same way as you. So one of the most important things about about the guidelines for color blindness on the web is that that we should not use color as the only way to indicate something. >> Yes. >> Okay. So if you have a if you have something that's going to indicate danger then there should be some way of indicating that danger without only relying on red and similarly for success or for warnings etc. So um so you've got the pallet um for the unknown new and unknown links. So you can specify that instead of not in place of using the red but in addition to using the red maybe you want a dotted underline under the link. >> Or maybe you want a question mark after the link. [snorts] >> Okay. So these are different ways of marking that link so that you'll recognize it. Um similarly with badges. >> Okay. So you can mark mark the badges uh recolor the fill and add a border with the visited links. >> So you remember that we have a we have a custom style, >> right? >> Right. And that's that's ne next door to the color blindness um feature. Excuse me. And so anyway, so you can you can specify a check mark after the link or you can specify that this will have an underline. So in custom style, you can turn off the underline for for um for visited and unvisited links. And you can specify what color you want to use if you want to use a different color from the defaults that Wiki Tree uses. Um, here you get to say that um, even though you may have turned off underlines for unvisited links, you want to want them turned on. You want them turned back on for visited links. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um, status suggestion in edited fields, you can give them a special border. >> So, so when you get when you get a caution or a warning or or a or a success, you'll have different borders. Um, and I can show you that momentarily. Um, for gender backgrounds, you can you can you can add a border and you can also add a letter. >> So, male or female, M&F, right? >> Um, actually, I guess there's there'd be one other letter and I'm not sure what what what he used for that. >> Um, then similarly for the family connections, you've got pattern bars and a number. So, you you can have one or both or not at all. And that these are just additional ways to indicate something. Right. >> Right. >> And then there's your simulator WBE icon up on the top of your um you're in Chrome, but you're still you're still on There we go. Now, I want you to right click on that. >> Right click on this. >> Yep. >> Okay. Oh, there's a color blind simulator popping up. >> Yep. Now, you locked it. So, if you click on that settings button. Okay. >> It takes you right to there. >> Nice. >> Which which is kind of handy, I find. >> Yeah. >> Rather than going through all these steps. >> The menu is different depending on whether you're on the settings page or >> There it is. That's right. If I'm on the settings page itself, it doesn't show up. But if I'm on just a profile, then that is an option. Backup. >> So now, >> this is fairly new. >> When you do a backup, now you can back everything up. So instead of having a separate a separate one for your data and and one another one for your settings, >> you can back it all up together and you can do it from a handy right click. >> Yeah. And apparently that's all it takes. And then it just did it. See, I don't know. Can you see that popup of the file name? >> Yep. >> Yeah. Yeah. So it did. >> And that's another thing. Um you're you're using Chrome at the moment, but even I am. So, so it used to be the case that in Safari it wasn't able to generate the name >> and it would and it would create a file called unknown >> with no extension >> and it would just drop it into your downloads folder. >> Nasty. >> Now, now it has a name so so it's easier to locate it and and work with it. Okay. >> The feed helper. >> I think you know what I mean by the feed helper, right? Uh I've we've done it before. Uh you'll have >> my activity quickly. >> My activity. >> My >> Yeah. contributions. >> Oh, okay. >> Sure. Contributions will work. >> My contribution. My My contributions. Thank you. >> Yeah. Go to followed. >> Followed. Where's followed? >> Right there. You You just passed over it. >> I passed over it. >> Watch this. Thanks and followers. >> Sorry. >> That's okay. >> There's a lot on the screen. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And now >> Oh, rapid activity. >> Yep. >> But see also see the highlight new members >> or only activity by new members. >> Yeah. >> And so they're supposed to show all activity. Go click it again. >> Only activity. >> Mhm. Okay. >> Very nice. And I I'm guessing this takes you to the new member, right? >> He's a new member. Yes. >> Look at that. Nice. >> So, it's a hand that's a handy feature for especially for rangers. Access keys. Oh, so when you're when you're in a context >> where um uh next page and previous page make sense. >> Yes. >> Or top of page and bottom of page make sense. >> Right. Then then you can use access key arrow. >> Okay. >> So whatever your access key is depending on Mac or or PC or you might choose to use the alternate access key which is the W by default. >> Right? >> So if you so you use your access key and press the arrow then you can do previous and next >> and you can you can you can page through. This is really really helpful on the GGG pages. Right. I did W and I hit the the this arrow right arrow. >> Yep. >> Yeah. And it's working. >> Yes. >> At first I wasn't thinking it was, but it was taking it was taking it was spinning a little bit. Think taking its time thinking. >> And now if you do um uh do W and the down arrow. >> Now that doesn't seem to work for me. >> Interesting. That's interesting. Uh, but if I >> if I use my command >> down arrow button on my keyboard, that combo that works. >> That took you down. Okay, >> that took me down. And that's just as fast or faster. >> Yeah. Well, it's helpful. >> Yeah. >> Especially helpful on a page when you've just done a search. >> Yeah. >> And you've got that long list of 500. >> Mhm. especially if it's alphabetized and you know that you're looking for the M's and you're only seeing A's, so you know it's going to be at least on the next page or the page after, right? So you don't have to scroll to the bottom to find that next button >> though I guess here the next button up top. So >> but still yeah that's >> on the distance and relationship. So, so you know when you when you look at a page and uh you get the you get the degrees and uh maybe maybe a descript description of a relationship to the person, they might be your seventh great grandfather, whatever. >> Um in in some cases uh recently >> the when the grandparents were listed, if you had more than >> more than two, >> then the grandfathers would be listed and then the grandmothers. Mhm. >> And so and and it used to be in the past that that it was, you know, that they were they were paired up together as couples. >> So Ian Ian has repaired that and they're now paired up as couples again. >> Um autobio and autocategories >> are are now he's fixed something where they were previously not respecting the free text that was occurring before a biography. >> So he's now respecting that, leaving it where it is and and doing the rest of the job. but but leaving leaving that free text in place. Um he's also improved the need detection in AGC and there were various um bug and table parsing fixes also in those those two tools autobio and auto categories. Um >> change anything on the queen. [laughter] I'm just gonna um walk away. >> The hit the Safari popup. Uh so there's Safari uh pop-up fix and old Safari reg X bug fixes. Uh the stillborn and died young stickers were overlapping. That's fixed. >> Uh the AI models have been updated. >> And then there's a little fix on notability. Okay. So here we have Maria Barbara Redmond. >> [clears throat] >> And as we travel down, we get to the matches and merges section >> and we discover that Barbara has a lot of possible duplicates. >> And look at this nice table. >> Mhm. >> And um and there are scores. So for example, this one has a score of 77. 77 seems to be a popular score for all of these. Mhm. >> Uh so they are all possible matches and so you know it's all very nicely laid out and only shows up when there are possible matches. But in this case um there are a lot of possible matches. Somebody just uh well somebody somebody has a name um made a lot of duplicates of the same profile. And as you can see it's quite a long table >> but anyway there it is. and uh and and that that can be very helpful to you. And so you can open the profile, >> you can do you can compare the two profiles, you can do a compare and merge, you can reject them as a match, and or you can set the status uh when you're done. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> And and how how do you get to that again, Mary? >> Well, as I said, this this happens to be a profile. >> Okay. >> Where the where the person has a lot of possible duplicates. >> Yeah. Okay. So, it's just >> so they just they just show up here. Yeah. >> Is that the one that like was 90 spouses by accident? >> 90 spouses. >> Yeah, there was a bug where like someone added 90 spouses for like the same exact spouse in like two minutes. So, it's obviously a bug. So, if you see that >> 90 [laughter] in the duplicates finder, which is a >> which is a tree app, >> right? And if I had for example uh if I had chosen oh Barbados >> then um then I would find uh people with less duplicates >> right >> because I guess because they have shorter nights in Barbados. I'm not sure >> in Australia you see you have more duplicates anyway. Yeah. So that it's it's just a something to help you. Um >> Ian's always doing stuff like that. >> Yeah. >> Very cool. >> That's great. Very cool indeed. Yeah. >> And then there's a little fix on notability. >> But I got I got here and I realized that it's really hard to know, you know, how how many character how long you can add in here. >> So I got So I asked Ian, >> could he please add this? Oh, look at that. >> And so now, while you're in while you're in this field, the text field, you'll get this little box. It'll tell you you have entered 291 out of 350 characters. You got 59 to go. >> Then Rob, I'm going to say over to you. >> There's been three releases, including one today. There there hasn't been a lot. Basically, small fixes in Saucer for particular sites. Uh there have been a few sites that have changed and there were updates like ancest there are a couple of fixes for ancestry during due to the uh [clears throat] changes in their record pages and then in the late one that went out today um Lucas I think added support for uh a new German site book and he also updated support for Archon. on. >> Okay. >> And re real um updated support for Exa Graves um >> uh just due to changes on those sites and yeah, so they're all fairly small things. I've been busy with some non-Wiki Tree stuff the last month or so. Uh I still have a very big list of things to work on, I guess. We have currently have 157 open issues on saucer. So I never run out of anything to do. Um and some of if I look for just ones that are um bugs for example, anyone can see this. This there's only a few that are bugs. So I tend to focus on those more. >> Right. Um but there's also um uh support news uh add new site. So there's 79 new sites being requested. So that's enough to keep me busy for several years. >> Wow. Yes. >> Yes indeedy. >> Answer um answer the question about the backups. >> Yeah. Oh, okay. Go ahead. >> Which is which is Yeah, you can't do that. Um um it's security and and and all other reasons, but so if you've saved it on one browser, you have to you have to save it and then have the other browser read it in and there's no there's no way around that right now. Um Ian's certainly aware that it would be nice to be able to have that, but you just can't do it at the moment. Right now, Rob, you say on Chrome the settings as long as you're using the same uh Google account from your laptop to your iPad, for example, >> that would transfer. Does the same work? Do you know, Murray, on iOS and Safari? >> No, it does not. Not that I'm aware of. >> Oh, >> in theory, it should. And that we do use the sync because all all uh browser extensions have two different stoages. They have the local storage and sync storage. The idea is sync storage is it gets synced across the network to anything any other browser logged in with the same account. I haven't actually tested it between say Mac Safari on Mac and Safari on uh iOS but in theory it should work. It's just going by the cloud >> because there's certainly I mean we use uh Apple cloud or the >> iCloud >> to store things and go back and forth. I know my my Safari I think my Safari on both devices. I don't use Safari enough on my Mac to really >> No, I should do that. I should use it more. >> Okay. Hey, do you want to tell us about what you've been doing >> on bioche uh for how it was checking for sources or non-sources particularly inside of a ref tag uh using span tags and that was about two weeks ago and it's been pushed up into the results from Wikry Plus and it's been pushed out in the release and it's been pushed out in the browser extension and nobody's come screaming and it must be working. And so that's really all I've got. >> Okay. So, Azure, your question about the family search app. >> Uh, one of the members was asking about the app and whether it had was on the schedule for being improved at all. Um, and she said that she did a post on GTG and I let her know to to add those tags so that it would be brought up to people's, you know, feeds >> um because it sounded like she had some ideas for um improving it. So, I just wanted to bring it to somebody's attention. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that that app's a bit tricky because it requires access to Family Search's API. >> Yeah. don't give it to just normal people. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> To access it. And so like even I'm have like not quite sure if I fall under like >> if you're able to >> being able to use the API or develop with the API even though I'm >> so that's kind of why it's on hold. We are working on something with family search but >> Oh yeah that's right. >> Will completely replace this. Um, >> so where where is this app? >> Yeah, it's in the apps list. Find apps. >> Find apps, right? Uh >> I think it's also uh >> it's on the find family search matches under find. >> You'll see. >> Oh, the find family search matches. >> Yeah, there you go. >> But I probably have to do I have to be on I probably have to be on a profile, right? >> No. >> Okay. No, >> it's pretty pretty old actually. I think I think Oh, >> Justin York may have created >> Yeah, he's the one that did [laughter] the first one. Oh, I haven't used this one in ages >> or something. Yeah. >> Yeah, she it was interesting because she had just found it and was really excited because it was helping her improve her CC7 because she would see that she didn't have a profile for some of the people that were on the on the list, >> right? And so, uh, she was all excited about about it and wanted to find out if, you know, some suggestions that she had could be incorporated or whatever. >> Yeah. I have I have like a big list of suggestions [laughter] tricky to to work on because of the API issue. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Like we can't share the API like key with anyone. >> Gotcha. >> Yeah. So that's a bit of an issue. Yeah. There there was another request for an app or a feature at the end of the roundup on this past Saturday. And basically what it is was a request um from um from our guest actually, James. Um he said he what he would like is Wiki Tree to be able to do some of the stuff that uh you can do on Ancestry for example where if you have a photo with a number of people in it, it would be really nice to be able to identify where in that photo the different people are. >> Uh >> yeah, we had an app that did that. >> You did? Yes. >> Yeah. But it it >> it we had it had to go away because it was um I don't remember Jamie all about it, but it was like too much work for it or something. >> Oh, so there was a browser extension. >> Yeah, it was like it >> Yeah, it would like put in >> or something. >> Yeah. Yeah, it it did where it was like Wiki Tree Plus or Wiki Tree. It was called something. It wasn't one of our current. >> No, it was it was a really older. It was like back in 2018. >> It was before we had we did the combined extension so everyone had a bunch of different extensions and I think creator just never responded if he >> us to incorporate it. Um, I know there's some sort of like to-do item >> photo tagging cuz I think there was like space left in the database when it was first created to enable that or something. I just one of those things that's not >> high up on the to-do list, >> right? because and that's what I thought I I I think we talked about this briefly at Roottech when we had one of our little meetings, didn't we? >> I don't think it was this last year, but it may have been >> okay. >> With any like with any photo, you can you can add a number of different wiki profiles linked, right? Mhm. >> So if in that same spot where you linked the profile, you could also, >> you know, >> give it coordinates to draw an XY, you know, two XY pairs, >> then, you know, and um >> a little UI so you could just draw that rectangle to generate those UI pairs so you don't have to calculate them by hand or whatever. Um, >> you know, I wonder, so I I don't know if we've talked about it since Steve started doing some of the small like bug and features things. So maybe I'll assign it to him and see if he can figure it out. [laughter] >> I don't have to make any database changes. It might cuz like I know there was that like tagging and then there was also um doing like a instead of having to like crop a special photo for the the >> profile photo where you could just like >> Yeah. select the part of it. >> Yeah. >> Those were two related things. So yeah, >> check and see if there's a >> what the notes on it because it's it's a very old item. I think that's something that I brought up when I originally joined the team. Like >> yeah, see like right here it would be nice to highlight. >> So >> I don't know if that's like an app thing or just a a >> a core thing. >> Core thing. Yeah, it would probably be be better as as part of the core. [laughter] >> It would be it would be better as part of the core. Um >> yeah, because anybody who comes along cousin bait wise >> Exactly. Yes. another Yeah, >> cuz off the top of my head like he sprung it to us right in the last minutes and I was thinking, "Wow, we can get out of here before two hours, the twoour mark, [laughter] but then he starts talking about a new potential app." Oh, well, there goes that. But >> there goes >> We still lasted. We did it before before an hour and a half. So, that was pretty good [laughter] for me. >> Oh, I have I have one more one more thing that I forgot to mention earlier. >> Okay. >> Can't figure out how to do it in the core. So maybe it would be a good project for someone to do during Hacktoberfest, which is like a month. >> Yeah. In a month. >> Crazy. Because tomorrow is September. So >> that's right. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> So [snorts] what is what's your idea, Jamie? Or do you want to do you want to tell us now or No. >> No. I I >> Oh, you don't want to tell us now? >> No, I don't have any ideas yet. >> Oh, you don't have any ideas? >> I'm just saying. [laughter] Uh yeah, October Fest is soon. If anyone has any ideas for a theme or a big project people should work on, uh yeah, let me know [laughter] >> because it's coming up soon. >> It's coming up soon. Yes. Well, I think uh well, you know, at the for our September tech talk zoom, we'll pro we'll be getting primed for that and talk some stuff. You know, that could be a strategy session. SLA update strategy session. >> Well, I'm pretty sure I have to like start like getting people registered in the in two weeks or so. So, >> Oh, for sure. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Um, one of the things um I think Chris has been in some of his GG posts, he's been teasing about vibe coding and stuff. So, and I know some of you have been exploring exploring that and I have been meaning to and have not yet really dived into that. Um, but that might be a theme we tackle. Um, I don't know if there's a way of sort of doing some learning how to vibe code, you know, uh, like we could have just informal little Zoom dropins and stuff and >> that'd be kind of cool. >> Yeah, that that that could be an idea. Um, >> right. >> Maybe maybe like if some of us have different subscriptions to different AI things, we could show how how it works so people don't have to pay the $20 to to try it out or see how it works. >> Right. Right. >> They can decide which one they they think they'd like to use. Yeah. So, [clears throat] >> so that's that's something. Um, I've always got a few updates that I want to do to my apps. Um, but if some of those updates can be compartmentalized and shared with someone else, then I'm always happy to do that. Um, and we've had some new app developers over this past year like Ben who was on joined us last month. So, that's always exciting. Um, so but anyways, I just think vibe coding might be might be something that we uh one sort of theme that might weave through our stuff. I don't know. And I have had quite a lot of uh people the past month or two interested in well most of them are are using the data dumps to try to do stuff with the data but a lot of them are doing it with AI to help them uh process stuff. So maybe they'd be interested in playing with it too. I don't know. >> Yeah. Are you guys doing more to integrate with GED match J? >> Uh I haven't seen any talk of more integration for I I don't think I've we've done anything with them for like two years or so. >> There's a new >> there's a new Jet Match experience >> which I looked at the other day. I put a post in GTG and there's a section where you add stuff and it says add family search link. >> It doesn't say add wiki tree link and the add family search link button is still grayed out. So I'm not sure what it's supposed to do. So [laughter] >> somebody is doing more integration with Jed Match, but it's not off the ground yet. Yeah, I'm not sure because I don't have a Jed match account that has a DNA test uploaded, so I can't see very much. >> Well, I I do and I was able to put my >> Wiki profile >> my Wiki Tree profile link >> on it so that if I come up as a a match to someone, my it links to my uh ancestors tree, or at least it used to, unless they've changed it. That's been there for about 10 years because I signed up on Mik Tree to do that 10 years ago and did nothing else for another five years. >> Yeah. >> So, you're saying that option is no longer there for new users or new tests >> layer, but it's not highlighted on the same page as the family search link, which >> is grayed out. I mean it might help if you guys email Jedmat be like, "Hey, >> hey, >> I would like to see this feature, [laughter] >> right? >> They might take it more seriously from a from a user >> from an actual user." >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Okay, good point. And there's still a button to compare to Jed match IDs from Wiki Tree. And that's going to the old Jed match compare tool. So now there's a new Jed match compare tool that maybe it should go to, but the new one doesn't look as good as the old one to me. >> Yeah, I know. I know Peter Roberts had messaged me about changing that link or maybe it was a different link. So I'll have to take a look. But yeah, if if there's a better link to link to um >> there's a newer link >> or a newer link. >> There's a newer link. Is it a better link is the question. >> Report just a different different URL now or is it a different >> there's a beta URL currently >> and I if I remember correctly that's the beta will become the official one in come November. >> Okay. So, we probably it's a it's out of beta to change that link then. >> I I I guess so. I I just I it just feels to me like we need to do more to get Jet Jed Match looking at us more than just like we we we you know, we look at them, they need to look at us, too, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. >> Yeah. I'm trying to think. I was like I I don't know if I've emailed with them since they changed ownership. H. >> So, I'll have to look and see if I have any emailed. >> Well, we may just slip through the cracks in the new beta interface >> and and they might want to play October Fest if if they knew that we were keen on having them do that. >> Well, I don't know if they would be >> they they could have some clever ideas with our with how to use our tools if >> if they thought that we were keen on having them do that. Yeah, I'll I'll I'll uh see if I can get in contact with somebody. >> Okay. >> Yeah, it's worth it's worth an ask. Yeah, sounds good. Well, very cool. Um, any other questions or comments before we wrap up? >> I have something. >> Oh, great. Go ahead. >> I just wanted to make sure other people know about it. Um there's a feature if you have wiki tree B that it will um indicate to you that this location for example Calonia and Washington County Missouri do not have a link to uh wiki tree built into wiki data. So, if there is a space page, which I I'm pretty sure there's a space page for Washington County, Missouri, or even a category. We know there's probably a category for Calonia, Missouri. Then that's an opportunity to build links back to Wiki Tree from Wiki Data. So this is just you know uh I call it uh brownie points [laughter] because it's just another way we can m you know make uh wiki tree known out there. Um so there is a video a a short video about um how to do that and see it and how to add it to wiki data if you want to do that uh out on the YouTube channel. Um and then the other thing that he was sharing was let me open a profile in Germany just for the best example I think. >> Oh yeah a place. >> Yeah. So he he shared about wiki data places using be. So, for instance, if you're in the location field >> and you have a and you have a a location selected, you can select wiki data. Click this little icon on the on the side there and it will give you more information about that and give you if there's an alternate alternative location for that location and the correct time frame. and you can actually go out and see >> for that time frame >> that you have the right place basically. So, it's really kind of cool and that's going to be another short little video out on the YouTube channel I'll have up there. But, um so you can see how he explains it all to you and how to >> um if your locations aren't loaded in Wiki data, he talks about doing that so that you you can have access to that information. But anyway, it's just a really cool little feature um for those locations that changed, you know, here, you know, for this 10 years it was this and you know, >> right? >> So anyway, it's just a really cool feature that I just wanted to make sure people knew about. Um and look for the little short video about it on our YouTube channel. >> Cool. >> So that was all I had to share. at least seems helpful for those German uh places. >> Yeah, [laughter] >> I have like some notes that I' I've like gotten from the Germany project where I just like, okay, this year and this year it's whatever France and then this year this year it's German. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Exactly. >> Places. >> Yeah. I have like some notes that I' I've like [laughter] gotten from the Germany project where I just like, okay, this year and this year it's whatever France and then this year this year it's German. >> Yeah. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Exactly. >> Exactly. So anyway, it's just really really nice feature. >> Yes. >> Very cool. >> Excellent. Thanks for sharing that, Azure. >> Yeah. >> Fantastic. >> Uh great. Well, um I think we will call it uh call it done for for the month of August. Um and um thanks for coming out and joining us um tonight everyone. And thanks to all my co-hosts who helped uh share uh and we will see you at the end of September, the last Monday of September. And uh we'll be uh hopefully all of you will sign up to take part in Hacktoberfest which of course takes through takes us all through the month of October. Um and uh even if you're not if you're here but you're not a programmer you can still help out by um by testing by giving us ideas cheering us along the side or maybe learning how to vibe code a few little apps yourself. So, uh, if you are interested enough to come here, I'm sure that we can find something for you to do during Hacktoberfest. And so, uh, when we meet again at the end of September, um, we can start doing some some planning or continuing some planning because we'll probably start doing some planning for it as we sign up in September. And we'll look forward to Jaime's post inviting us all to join at that point at some point. No pressure. Anytime. [laughter] Midseptember is fine. Yeah, whatever works. >> Oh, and Source Aathon registration is up, everybody. Just want to >> Oh, wow. And when is this a source? Is that October as well? >> Yeah, first weekend in October. >> First weekend in October. Okay. >> 2nd through the 5th. >> Right. And actually in a related in a related news, um our Wiki Tree Challenger uh special guest for September is actually the the OG uh Wiki Tree programmer Justin York. >> [snorts] >> So that's kind of cool. Um, he started writing apps for Wiki Tree before any of us. Well, maybe did he start before you, Jamie, or >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh, I think before Alush, too. Um, >> wow. So, he really was the OG >> the original gangsters. >> X. Is that what it was? >> Sorcerer. >> Yes. Yeah. >> And then yeah, the family search matches one >> and the root search. >> Root search. Yeah. And then I think his apps are the reason why there is um why is my mind blinking? But the one mergeedit. >> Oh yeah. >> Yes. I think that was uh done for so for one of his apps. >> Cool. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. He was >> so Yeah. come work on the Wiki Tree Challenge and help him expand his >> Yeah, he's already got 20 countries. >> Oh, wow. >> But his CC7 is under 2K, so he's he's already spread quite a few different countries already, so it's going to be cool to see how far he goes. >> Yeah. Very cool. Excellent. Well, thanks again and we will see you next month. >> Bye. Take care. >> Byebye. >> Bye. >> [music]