WHYcast Episode 46 - WHY2025 Podcast

[Music] Hi and welcome to the Ycast episode 46. This is the only podcast about a hacker camp in the universe. This volunteer run event has taken place um 8 to 12th of August um this year 2025 and um it is it has been taking place um approximately 42 km north of Amsterdam uh in Marb which I am here right now. Um, this will be probably the final episode of the Ycast where we will look at the highlights. And as you can see, we have a cleared field uh with possible deniability. Somehow I keep on scrambling that one. And yeah, it's it's nearly done. Uh we are finally done here clearing out the field. So uh have fun with this last episode. So Ut, what are we talking about today? So, what are we talking about today? >> Well, we are here today with Nancy Robert Shantal and and myself. And we were actually supposed to do all this uh on Friday at the event on stage. Uh but that went a bit bit different than we expected. More on that later. Um we want to look back at uh what happened and uh give you some information on on on what what happened in the in the last few weeks. Uh we already saw a very tired Shantal uh very tired Nancy on the field. Excuse me. >> This was this was a couple of days ago. Uh and I had a lot of sleep since. So yeah. Um >> so now we're doing this. Um we have some news. We have an interview with Shantel. That was the line I was looking at while uh trying to speak. I shouldn't read and speak at the same time. Um we do have an interview with Robert who is also here again with us. Uh we have some information on where to hack uh after why we have the vacancy of the week and we have some uh listener questions maybe but first >> or personal highlights which is also fine. >> Which is also fine. So it's >> it's our own questions. >> Yeah. >> Kind of >> basically. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because this is the last episode. We can do what we want. >> Yay. Part. >> Yeah. But first, maybe we should dive into to some uh statistics >> and things we learned and some cool data. >> Yes. And also I would because the very very very first episode was about a year ago. I'm not quite sure when this edit will be done. Uh it was released on September 9 from the top of my head. And uh we're almost there. So we're almost a year round. And the first one we did with the three of us and Shatal explained us then uh together with me and why we why we did a Y cast. >> Yeah. Maybe also we should explain a little bit how it all started. >> Yes, let's do that. What's your connection? >> Yeah, let's start from the beginning. >> Mhm. >> The genesis of the Y cast. >> Genesis of the Ycast. Well, there was a there was a rough idea. >> Uhhuh. >> Okay. This would be cool. It's >> it's not going to be hard to do a weekly podcast. No, no. Um, but we we maybe we should write something down. Yeah. Yeah. Let's start a let's start a a little uh shared dock and and call it a rough idea of the Ycast. And >> for instance, something like >> till this day on my on my screen I have a rough idea of the Ycast. So, yep, that is still working. >> It's still called the rough idea of the Ycast. >> Absolutely. with all the episodes in uh in an index file and uh we never changed the name because that was kind of funny. Um, we did some we did some dumps there and uh for ideas and then uh yeah we I don't know I think it probably was Shantel who said h let's just go for it let's do this >> and then I uh messaged I think to uh help us out with some of the technical details because uh I did not I I had an idea of how to do it but what would be the wisest thing to do it we'll hear hear more about that later uh But um yeah, basically we went from a idea to a little document to actually doing it >> in under four days. >> Yeah, I think so. It was very fast. Yes. Yes. Because yeah, basically since uh yeah, we had the idea and we had uh um uh some of the stuff to already get started and then we just did it. Um but the why did we do the y cost is also uh very interesting because um yeah it was basically for us the idea was to give the information and make it accessible in a in a different format. >> Yeah. >> So not only uh having a wiki with all kinds of information and >> IRC channels and >> IRC channels. Yes. and mailing lists because they can be quite overwhelming and it's a lot of reading. >> Um, and also we were there was no website yet like y2025.org did not exist yet. So a um accumulation of all the important information was not there yet. So we thought maybe um a podcast could be a good idea because there are a lot of people in the world right now and maybe sometimes different generations that listen to podcasts. >> Yeah. >> Um so yeah that was the idea to uh uh yeah make the information accessible in a different format. >> And also fun fact uh making a podcast has been on my bucket list for years. Um uh there you can have a bucket list things you want to do before you die. uh making a podcast was on my bucket list things I will absolutely never do in my life. Okay. So I don't know what happened in between but so I said I would love to do a podcast but I don't want to be working on the technicalities and things like that. I just want to talk about >> um all the amazing volunteers that make Y happen because that was also next to um uh outreach to another audience. It was also a way to put our volunteers on a pedestal and show the world what amazing people are working in the organization voluntary to make Y happen. >> So it was also sort of like yeah let do that be proud uh as everybody in Oregon making making camp happen. >> Yeah. Um, so yeah, >> let's let's be honest. Having a conversation about what you're doing in the Ora Y is way easier than making a blog post or updating the wiki or all that kind of stuff. So, or emailing it to the to the to the mailing list. Um, or just having conversations with people that are making Y happen and um uh being able to showcase that to the world. Although some people are still a bit camera shy, which is also fine. >> Also fine. Yes. So you can write it up then. And uh that's uh that's that was cool. >> Yeah. >> So maybe you're interested in uh how we actually uh made this happen technically. So can you maybe explain that >> technicalities? >> Technicalities. Um first of all uh Shantel and I went to uh look around uh to uh what what hosting options are there? Because for a podcast you basically need uh uh three things. the podcast itself uh a place to put the file and a special formatted RSS feed uh to tell all the platforms there's a podcast over there and um these are the available episodes and um there are a few uh options uh some paid some uh uh more free options and uh we ended up with custo which is a uh in our case uh externally hosted paid option uh we did this because uh team sis admin was working on uh getting a website and uh we wanted to be done before the then next Friday. So we just went okay uh we got this platform it works cuz we actually tried it out on a on a trial account before. Um this is really easy this works. Um, it connects to the Fettiverse, so you can actually follow the podcast from your own Masteron account. Um, through the Fettiverse, uh, it is an open- source project. You can also self-host this same stuff on your own machine. Uh, but we decided for, uh, time and effort. Uh, no, we just pay a little fee and everything just works. And it did. >> And pay for your open source. Absolutely. Yay. Um, also, uh, putting it on the YouTube channel was a was a bit of a no-brainer. I mean, uh, there was this YouTube channel with, uh, all the, uh, uh, talks from previous events and now also the the events from from Y as well. Like, okay, that's a that's a very easy way. Um, pretty much everyone knows how to watch a YouTube video. Uh there are some people who have uh uh issues with the platform of YouTube and that is completely valid but it is very accessible especially for people outside of our regular uh hacker community. Um well I already mentioned the the very first connection which makes it very easy to tie in with the with the social medias. So there's there's a bunch of open source stuff in there. Um, and for some of the editing, um, uh, we also try to, uh, use some open source, uh, but not 100% because sometimes you need to get your stuff done. And if opening up iMovie and tossing the stuff in there and clicking render, if that is the quickest way to get it done, that is the quickest way to get it done. And then you have the right tool for the job at that time. Um so some of the episodes are done with iMovie. Some of the episodes are done with Cadian live. Um some ffmpeg was used here and there to uh convert between uh formats. Um yeah so there's a lot of different tools uh used and and and luckily uh uh uh we we got to use some some open source tools in there as well. Uh Audacity is also one of them. Um, and we can also use uh uh some some extra help if we are doing this again uh in 2029. I don't know yet. We don't know yet. We haven't discussed it. We haven't said yes or no yet. But we might, we might. And this is how we went from oh well why not to oh boy every week. And uh in the end now we're here after why. Um, my voice is still um a little bit rough, but we made it 47 episodes cuz we started zero obviously. >> I think we missed one week altogether. Yeah. More on that later. >> Skipped one week. >> We skipped one week. >> Yeah. which I which I still deem amazing because the the consistency with uh our neuro not so typical brains is uh is a is >> interesting to say the least that we pulled this up. I think it's very cool. >> Yeah, it's very >> and life happens as well in everybody's life. So, uh I mean uh >> we basically made one every week. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> we did. We did. Maybe we should also talk about um because I already when we started this idea, I already kind of thought about okay, life happens. Um uh we we still had our normal jobs of course. Um yeah, how to plan this. So my idea was to record as much as possible when you had the time so that we could use it and maybe plan out stuff. >> Yeah, we did. >> We did. But there was also still a lot happening in the same week. >> Absolutely. Yeah, especially for the news department. Uh it was Yeah. We wanted to do it last minute as much as possible. Yeah. And sometimes we had pre-recorded footage that could be used and then there was only a small small piece that needed to be recorded and then edit and then it could go out. And sometimes it was more difficult and yeah in a very short amount of time an whole episode needed to be made. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> But we managed. We managed. Then we we already said uh one of the one of the targets uh for for this whole Ycast thing was uh getting more people involved and and and reaching out to people who might not be um already on on on the wiki and not already on our social medias. Um, so it's a bit of accessibility and I think um this ties in with what uh Robert did with the result of the Ycasts and and maybe uh you can talk a bit about that. >> Yeah. Um so I joined team info like in the December period last year and after a while uh I think it was one of the first meets that we had physically. Nancy said, "It would be great if if there would be more use of the Ycast." And I said, "Well, we can transcribe it and create a blog out of it every week." Um, so I put that on the on the list. And after a while, uh, I sat down, uh, and I fiddled around with AI to create, um, a transcription program. I did some testing with uh Whisper and created my first uh transcription and created a blog out of it um and sent it all to you uh to see if that was something you would guys would like to see happen. And the funny thing was um that was the first time I played with Python at scale. Uh and I did it all with AI. So I I vrogrammed everything together in just a couple of hours the first time. And um we created the first transcriptions out of that. Um and at the time you guys were doing a weekly history part of every uh uh Ycast. I was like, "Wow, wow, that would be interesting to capture all that in a separate blog." So have a blog about the the Ycast and make the Ycast accessible in text, have a transcription, but also capture all the historical facts from the episodes. So uh that kind of happened over time uh because I I continued playing with the transcription and uh made a couple of prompts and extracted all the historical facts from every episode and it all ended up in the wiki. So all the transcriptions of all the episodes are now in the wiki uh including the historical facts of every episode that was discussed and even the historical facts that were happening at the go like traditions were captured this way. So, it was really interesting to do. Um, and I think one of the things I've struggled with the most was uh getting uh the AI to recognize who was talking and adding that correctly to the transcription in the end because speaker one and speaker two is not much fun >> and that worked out out in the end. >> Yeah. And there's a there's a full Wcast episode uh where we where we do a very in-depth interview about it. And what I recollect from that interview was as well. And that is something that I have seen happening the last couple of weeks online as a discussion as well um the ethics behind the use of AI. And I think that's also interesting because there might be people in our community and in our audience who are not that fond of the use. And also I think I think that's that is also interesting to see. Have you heard anything back from that interview or or uh uh on a later date or maybe at the event itself? >> Not really. No no no one really came with a discussion on this. But I think the interesting part here is that like you guys said uh you all started this to make the uh story of the volunteers more accessible and using a video cast and a podcast at the same time and putting it out on YouTube. All the content is out there and it's already being eaten by all these AIs. >> Yeah. >> But we weren't really using that. So turning that around, making it more accessible in different ways because even though some people like to listen or watch it, a lot of people like to just read the highlights and see if there's something interesting in there. So by adding that using a local AI um whisper on on my laptop and my laptop the worked hard to encode all these section >> it sometimes caught smoke even. Yeah. and then and then uh using that transcription to just create the blog. Um that I mean and and there were disclaimers on on on the transcription saying that it was transcribed by an AI and even once I put it on the wiki people could add uh their own corrections, right? uh there so there's yes there's we use the AI to actually make something more useful out of the video uh and the audio that we already had created and to me this is a good example where we use the tools out there uh to actually do what they're supposed to do you use it to make stuff more accessible >> and also what did you learn from it yourself >> a lot playing with the AI uh tools uh the simple fact that um programming it after you you said oh yeah that's a great idea just do it uh and me sitting down on a Tuesday night I'm like okay let's just play with this for a couple of hours and see what happening and you can get this this the default uh code and I had sitting around um GitHub account with uh AI coding stuff and I'm like oh let's play with that and I was just shocked that within two hours I could have a blog produced out of it. I had a CLI tool and I've tuned it over time uh and redid it and reworked it of course and it's out there. It's open uh so anyone can use it. Um so I learned a little more about how to actually train the to force the AI to actually generate code that works and is production ready. >> And it helps that you're a programmer as well, of course. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I see so one of the things I really learned I think yeah at this point in time you have to be a programmer to actually get the AI to actually do a good job because there's a lot of problems that it generates and you have to actually coach it uh to get to the right thing. It got better over time though in the last year there were so many improvements on on AI coding uh that it's it's even better at this point in time a year later that to actually generate this kind of stuff. So yes, it's getting there. Uh but I don't I wouldn't be worried as a programmer at this point that you're losing your job because it's not um even though all the hype is still oh you just tell it what you want and it generates the code instantly. Yeah, for simple stuff but not for the more complex stuff. at this point >> but it's getting better and >> and if we're looking at security issues it's yeah >> don't want to think about they're running all local on my machine so I'm not worried about this but >> uh and one of one of the things I really learned was the do the correct prompting in the end uh so so what you really have to spend time on that to figure out how to tell what you want it's it's like programming another human and okay it's programming an AI uh by natural language um language and that that's interesting because words matter suddenly. >> Oh yes. Yeah. And also tone of voice because sometimes the blogs I didn't really recognize myself but on the other hand I was like >> who cares because it's a nice readable blog and that's fine >> right? Yeah. >> Uh the blog part was about readability. I played around over time with the tone of voice and making it more hacker. really the the emoji storm that uh that that comes out of this is is like >> please leave out all the >> but uh yeah I think I think we did an we you did a terrific job to make the content more accessible the information more accessible because in the very very beginning we also received an email from someone who said yeah is this the right way to to provide information um he was a bit worried that that that the Ycast would be the only source of information uh about >> everything Y and the organization and we said no it's an addition to all the other things that we're doing uh and of course we will send out uh information to the mailing list and of course we will be present at IRC or at least some of us because for me it was a bit too overwhelming to be >> and this we flipped around right because you sometimes had news that wasn't out there yet >> and I tried try to uh transcribe it the next day >> and get it out as soon as I could. Sometimes even once you release the audio and video, the transcriptions would be out there as well. >> Yeah. Uh and and I think that helped to have more information out there than we ever had before this way. >> Yeah. >> Because like Shantel said, talking to each other is way easier and you get a lot more information density out there, but also on all the channels. Uh we didn't start sending them to the mailing list because that would have probably uh got got some flag. uh which I think is is okay to just have the blog and people who would be in that would interest to be interested in it would go and out and read it and we we did get some feedback from time to time that there were mistakes in there that will be corrected. >> Yeah. >> Well, I I absolutely loved it and I think it's it's uh also because we both have a very warm heart for team accessibility. Shout out to Simon. Uh also it's it was more um readable for more groups of people uh and the information was uh was on yeah in it was presented in more than one way and I think that's awesome. So thanks again and no problem. If people want to find out more they can reach out to you probably or they can find you on the wiki or >> anywhere. >> Yeah. >> Cool. And we we will talk about your highlights later in the episode because I want to convert revert back to Chantel because we have said it over and over and over and over again in the white cast. We love numbers. Yay. >> We kind of do. Yes. Yes. >> We love numbers. Let's talk numbers. >> Yeah. You asked for for a couple of numbers like like how many guests did we actually have on? Um, well, I'm I'm I'm not counting this episode because I was looking into this before this episode. >> Are we really guests? >> Unique guests. >> Unique guests. 42. >> Woohoo. >> And this this wasn't scripted. I was I was just looking through all the episode lists and uh uh checking them on the on the YouTubes and checking all the thumbnails and scrubbing through the videos. I came up to 42 unique guests. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. Who >> would have thought? Yeah. So cool. >> Um, but that is in about 60 different interviews. So, um, yeah, there was a bit of an overlap. Um, the number one guest I think is Tai from CTF. Um, but you could also say, yeah, uh, Walter uh, also appeared on a lot of episodes because Walter uh, told a couple of very cool stories and they got used in in a in a couple of episodes. So, um, yeah. Is Walter really a guest at that point >> or just part of the team? Uh, >> what what do you >> Let us know in the in in the notes below. >> We we decided it's uh 42 unique guests. >> Oh, the unique guest is is clear. That's that's obviously clear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, we also did a couple of locations. Um we did uh some interviews at hacker hotel at the end. Uh we had some uh different hacker spaces as a background including one in Valencia. >> Yay. >> Which is pretty cool. >> Um yeah. Um some interviews actually didn't make it. >> Yep. >> And that's on you, Nancy. >> I talked to the to the people. So it was uh there were two interviews recorded on field day the uh April 5th and I was talking to uh to walk that's the waffle operation center and I talked to Ma for uh for the day village uh and we have those cute little microphones from we are not sponsored but from Holland and they work like a charm uh when you turn on noise cancellation and I forgot noise cancellation so it was loud it not bearable, not not listenable, not doable. So, unfortunately, we couldn't use uh those two interviews >> and even with some processing, it was uh >> I tried I tried to process it, but uh you already were in in pretty much the worst spot for the interview to start with and then forgetting the noise and and it's unfortunate. >> I missed you. I missed you. >> Yeah, >> but it's okay. Well, it's it's it's a lesson learned and uh there's there's more lessons uh uh that we learned. Uh but uh yeah, >> um one of the lessons is um >> weekly is a lot but uh at least we have people who uh actually listen and um we are currently using about uh 3 gigs of storage for only the MP3 files on the on the custom pot back end. And um how much uh bandwidth does it use? Well um uh for the for the YouTubes we don't know. Uh some of the podcast platforms actually cache the file so they download it once and you don't see them in the in the results. Uh but using 50 gigs almost uh 47 I think uh of bandwidth within a month actually sounds like a lot. Um, and then there's the question of, okay, how how many uh minutes of material did you shoot and how much did you actually use? Well, as you might have guessed, we don't do that many retakes. Most of the stuff is just as you hear it, as it comes out, this is it. So, u I I guesstimated uh we do about 1.05 takes for for everything. Uh there's been a few moments that that one of us completely derailed and was like, "Okay, okay, okay, let's redo this, but mostly we just cough and go on and and >> exactly >> make we make we make another episode >> with with inviting the guest, doing the interviews, editing the interviews, uh uh putting everything online. Uh it is it has taken me approximately four to five hours a week." Uh so that is also when people told me yeah you will make more Y casts after Y right I was like I also have to make money again because this was voluntary so uh I am not be able to uh to make a weekly podcast uh for for a little while to say the least because it does take a lot of time even when you have >> one takers. Yeah. >> Yeah. And and you said you you didn't even really want to make the podcast at the beginning because it was on your bucket list. >> Yeah. >> Um >> has that has that changed? >> Yes. >> Um well I have been talking to some people of Bornehack, EMF, uh Fright Camp um um CCC. Not yet. Um I I have been thinking up of an idea not a weekly podcast by the way I might add. Thank thank for for instance a monthly p podcast about European hacker camps. Uh overall this is still a rough idea but you know what happens to rough ideas. What happens to rough ideas? Yeah >> you never know five days. >> So this has been a great spoiler uh for content to come and I think that's a nice bridge to to go to team content because Shantel you probably have a couple of uh of statistics as well. I did want to go back to the podcast for just a little bit because we we talked about like the the the takes and there were also some bloopers and it was also very fun because yeah the person editing the podcast like also edited some bloopers and then we sent it to each other in uh in our signal group which was super super super fun because sometimes it was yeah crazy stuff and sometimes we even used it later in episodes. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's a few >> hammer sports. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to get that in the lessons learned, right? >> Sports. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um Yeah. So, do we want to go into the actual camp? >> Yes. Yes. Content. >> Let's go. Um I was a little part of the Y cast but I was a big part of team content. Um and team content is um responsible for the schedule of Y. Um so we yeah content >> that's easy right >> schedule. Mhm. Yeah. And uh um in previous uh editions uh there were a couple of separate teams. Uh this time we decided to do it a little bit more together with each other. So we had team content responsible for like the overall schedule and we had re a big team of reviewers um we had speaker desk and we had heralds uh and uh we all worked together uh a great deal to make all this happen h happen. This is a blooper. Nice. I'm leaving it in. Do that. >> Yeah. >> Uh maybe interesting to know what all goes into the schedule. So before camp, uh we had a CFP of course um because we want your content and we had more than 200 CFP submissions. That's a lot to go through. So we had a team of reviewers that went through it. Um and um the that team actually le left um uh 1494 submission reviews. So >> Robert also being one of them by the way. >> Yes. Robert definitely was one of them. Yeah. Yeah. And based on those reviews by all of those lovely reviewers, um we had a 48 hour marathon selection weekend um at Hack42. uh team content came together and we went through all of the submissions, looked at the reviews, um looked uh at the all the subjects uh um that were submitted and and and we selected what we thought would be a great schedule. And um once we had that, we actually also kind of released that and uh asked people to um vote um just tell us like would you want to go to this talk? And we had 480 people that actually voted for stuff. Um and that made it for us a great way to see like what would be popular and what would need a big stage. Um and that's what how we actually came through to the entire schedule. Uh during camp um we had um 150 more than 150 actually like talks and workshops scheduled in the uh in the entire schedule and there were more than 180 speakers. Um uh and yeah that's a lot. Um, so yeah, speaker desk had a a big job of also uh of course like checking all of those speakers in uh during the camp and making sure they know where to be at what time and uh and if they had any questions or needed to work on their slides because yeah, people still need to work on their slides during camp. Uh um they had a place to do that. H that was super fun. Um, but I'm going to show you real quickly, I think, the schedule before the camp actually started. Um, I'll also talk you through it, but if you're on YouTube, you can actually see it right now. So, before we had a couple versions uh released and um yeah, it was mostly all of the the talks that we actually got submitted. But in the week before Y, we also added a lot of content from um uh from villages. >> Can you zoom in a little Shantel? Because >> can I zoom in? Yes. >> Yeah. I think uh it will be more readable hopefully. >> That's the wrong screen. Is this better? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Thank you. So on the 8th of August, we actually kind of kind of in the morning we kind of released a a permanent schedule and um yeah then uh um yeah something happened because it was Friday and if you haven't been at camp Friday there was a power outage. It started in the afternoon and it lasted for around two hours I think. Um >> I don't know. I was running around like crazy to make sure I think happened. Generators angry uh people from the food court are like, "Oh, my stuff is going to melt." And so no clue how long it lasted. >> And it was not just a a power outage at camp. It was regional. So, uh there were more uh houses also affected by this. Um yeah, so there was a power outage. Um on Friday, um our stages were still getting the final u final touches by product house and the power outage um did cause some delay in that. Um, so when the power got back on, um, we could not just continue. Um, I mean, I'll I'll show you the first, um, uh, release after the power outage because first we, uh, got the message that we might have to push the schedule back an hour. So, we did that. The opening moved back an hour. Uh, and we cancelled the only podcast about the hacker camp in the universe. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. So, we had to cancel the talk that we were going to do on stage, but we're now doing recorded. Um, >> and just for context, the power outage started at about 3 in the afternoon. >> Yeah. The official opening was planned for >> 5 p.m. the first time the uh power outage was actually shown on the website of the uh of the company who does the the power grids in the Netherlands. Uh in this case uh this grid was Leander. Um they said they were expecting to solve it at five. >> Yeah. Yes. And that's why we pushed back an hour. >> Yeah. >> Uh to see what happens. So this was already like pretty early on, I think. I think we did we did this at at 3:30. Um uh and then yeah, we came closer to five and came closer and came closer and then we we figured out like together with Produxy House because we we also work closely with Produxy House because they do all the technical stuff on the stages. um uh that yeah the testing wasn't done at those at a couple of stages. So um yeah the closer we came to five um we we couldn't start at six >> and surprise surprise at 5 it was still out. >> Yes it >> was only after 5:00 that the power actually came. >> It was not long after 5:00 I think but yeah at 5 it was still out. Um yeah but but starting up again at at six was not feasible. Here I would like to add some background information. Yeah. Uh which we might not publish but I think we can now officially because uh there was something else going on at PL headquarters and that was that we've gotten some news about people who were having diarrhea and vomiting at the same time during the power outage. Um, so that was also a bit of a problem because of the power outage. The toilets weren't working and it was a small amount of people at that point in time. But uh, the doctor who was also on the field was like, hm, this is this it we have to stay into close contact with the people on the field to figure out how big is this thing? What kind of thing is this? Is this just a food poisoning or something worse? So that was also going on in that same period of time. So yes, there was a power outage and then we talked to the health authorities who said, hm, it might be not the best of a plan to put a lot of people in one tent at the same time. So that was sort of like a meta crisis as well for us in PL. So we had the power outage. We had people having diarrhea and vomiting at the same time. Uh health authorities who said it's not a good idea to be put all the people in the tent. And we were like okay. Um so power outage right now please don't be solved just yet. And then it got solved. >> Yeah. >> And we were like oh >> Yeah. >> Now what? So I was >> there was there was a little backstory that was also going on. So people came to us saying please we need the the program has to get started again and we want to get started and we were like no no no we can't start we can't start. >> Yeah. So Nancy called me and uh told me the bad news that we had to cancel the entire evening. Yes. >> Sorry. So >> also sorry to Elar because he was very sad as well because he had his talk planned that night as well. >> Oh, I'm gonna talk you talk about that. Yes, definitely go for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that was my biggest problem. >> But yes, so we got the call that we needed to cancel the entire evening. Uh and um being uh team content and schedule being your baby. Yeah, it's it's not fun to cancel your entire evening, but it's also fun um because it's a crisis and a lot of people in um the hacker/ cyber security community also thrive at crisises of course. So yeah. Yeah. But uh we were being the bearer of bad news of course because we also had to contact all of the speakers that were scheduled on Friday night to tell them that their talk or workshop or anything else was cancelled. That's no fun of course. Big shout out to team speaker desk which is part of content but they actually emailed called um uh tried to contact all of the speakers um immediately when we we got we heard that and um uh told them we're sorry we have to cancel your talk but what is your availability the coming days? That was a very very big help because we um breached everyone and got their availability for the coming days. Um yeah, so um yeah, we called it Apocalypse Friday night. The release of the schedule that we had to cancel everything was apocalypse. Um yeah and then we we uh we yeah basically Friday night yeah we had to cancel everything. Then later on the situation got resolved. Um Nancy, do you want to talk about that more? >> Yeah, we figured out that it wasn't a bad virus and it was something it was something else. So that was the good news. So we heard from the authorities authority that uh it was fine to start up the program again and and it was safe to continue with the rest of the camp. So that was a big relief. But >> yeah, it cost a lot of people a lot of time and energy to uh to proceed and fix and puzzle and sudoku and so bun everything in in >> Yeah. >> in again. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we we we heard I'm not entirely sure what time that was anymore, but that doesn't matter. We heard later in the night like um it's all good. We can restart the program, but um yeah, it was not possible to do that because we had a couple stages that were not finished yet. So we needed a time of Friday night to uh yeah to make make make them ready for Saturday. Uh so together with um producty house team content and uh project lighting pal we decided to not restart the program and um uh start the program on Saturday morning. Yes. Um did I did have a couple of thing I had to cancel people and we wanted to reschedule those uh but we didn't have room to actually reschedule 18 presentations and workshops. So some decision decisions need to needed to be made. Um we did have a little bit of room in the morning. So we we but there was only room for I think four presentations. So that wasn't enough. So I requested if we could um go on a little bit longer because we try to um uh schedule nothing later than 11 at night so that everything would be quiet at camp. Uh but we talked about it and if it were talks that were just talking and so no uh big demos uh of music and all that kind of stuff then it would be possible. So we were able to um reschedule some things later at night. Um and that resulted in that we could actually reschedu 99%. Um we rescheduled 17 of the 80 18 presentations and workshops. We had to cancel that one. Yes. >> And then Okay. We did cancel the talk about the podcast and we did also cancel the talk about uh the 10 editions of the hacker camp. Um >> which we were completely fine with at that moment. >> Yeah. And I could imagine. But uh uh we only had to actually cancel one speaker that was not part of PL or or ORA and um he was uh very uh understanding. So yeah um a total of 25 speakers were actually uh affected and they all kept calm. So awesome. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Um, so we we scheduled uh basically everything and then uh we had some fun with the with the release names. I I can give you uh like the release on a Saturday morning. Um Oh yeah, maybe also good. We decided to not change anything in the Saturday morning because uh yeah that would give the most stability also for produy house to like check if everything is working correctly, if we can stream, if the live streams work. Um so we we decided to not change anything in Saturday morning but from the afternoon and the rest of the days we did uh reschedule uh the the things and also the opening that was scheduled at uh on Saturday at 12. Yeah, which was a yeah weird time but yeah was the only way that we could actually reschedule the opening. Um uh >> it was fine. >> Yeah, it was fine. Uh people were there, people enjoyed the opening. Uh I try to enjoy the opening, but then I have to fix stuff. Um uh so uh on uh uh Saturday morning, we released a new schedule and then we we called it uh version day one is day two. Yeah. And then we we didn't had everything completely rescheduled because I had one talk that was an special talk and that was Elar aka Stitch's talk. Um he did he submitted a talk about hardcore/ber music uh including live. >> How long was that? >> Yes, that talk was >> three hours. >> Yes. So I could not reschedu that that talk because I only had talk slots of maximum hour and if I would and it's also not possible to to schedule this late in the evening because yeah then that he would >> yeah he would go >> yeah the one talk with the loud music >> it's not something you can schedule >> started at 11 is yeah no that that was not a possibility So uh thankfully we had also a party stage and um >> brilliant move pretty. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I reached out to some people. Els also did it um on his own and we came to the conclusion it might be a good idea to see if we can get this done on the party stage. And I think in an hour or two, we were able to reschedu it on the party stage, but the party stage was not one of the stages that we had uh together with Produxy House in our portfolio. So it did not have streaming, it did not have uh the connection, the audio connections. Um so that all needed to be set up. But I think within an hour there was a plan and within two hours everything was already set in motion. So we were able to reschedu that one on the party stage and it was recorded. It was live streamed and all future things on that stage were also recorded and live streamed. Um, not everything is released, I think, but we're because it's music, so it's a little bit more work with that, but but they're they're still working on that and and but a lot on that stage. You can already see on uh on the live streams, >> including Stitches Talk. >> Including Stitches Stop. >> Oh, I'm so happy because he was so sad on Friday. >> I know. And it was >> really really really down about it. And for for for good reasons. I mean this he has put in so much energy and love in in in this particular talk. So uh >> awesome >> but we were able to make it happen and it was uh as I heard because I wasn't there because I was doing other stuff. It was really really cool. Uh and it was maybe the best stage he could be on. So um uh yeah definitely a lesson learned for next time. uh maybe we should include uh these kind of stages uh earlier on in the process. So um yeah that was really really cool. Um yeah then maybe let's um talk about uh the speakers. I am very very proud that 99% of the speakers were on time on stage. Yeah, >> because we had a very tight schedule >> and very good Harolds from what I've heard. >> Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so about the Heralds, we had 100% plus Herald stage coverage. Sometimes there were two Heralds. Uh, so that was really cool. And uh we had a total of 26 Heralds that spent uh 256 hours on stage managing speakers, helping speakers, uh managing the time because that's a definitely an important part of being in Herald and then introducing them uh as well. Uh yeah, that was really really cool. Um, I already talked about speaker desk, but speaker desk is also a place to for for speakers to chill and get a drink and work on their presentation. Maybe it's fun to know like how much they actually drank because we gave out more than 500 bottles of water uh to speakers. Yeah. And more than 400. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. and more than 400 bottles of clip mate. Yeah. So, they had a water and clip mate at the same time. Uh and um uh one of our uh speaker desk people, Nicholas, he actually made Greek iced coffees and he made 58 of them. And >> I missed that. I missed that. >> Oh, Greek iced coffee. >> Yeah, Greek iced coffees. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm intrigued. We also had lasers. Maybe you've seen them. The purple lasers that was speaker desk. Uh there were four giant lasers and we had uh 32 beams uh yeah going all night. Uh which was really cool. Uh but yeah, was also a place to chill. So we had some hammocks and uh beach chairs uh especially designed uh for Y um Bionica. So that was really cool. And we had a golf range. >> And did someone use it? >> Yes. Yes. A lot of people. Yeah. >> Spent a little bit of time golfing. Yeah. Yeah. So that was really cool. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I think it's also realized I missed stuff at camp. >> You did? Are you surprised that you missed things at camp? >> Well, actually, everybody missed things. Yeah. as a normal uh visitor of a camp, you're already missing out because you cannot be everywhere at the same time. But as someone in a team, yeah, you're definitely missing missing stuff. But that's okay. >> It's fine. >> Yeah, >> next time I'll Yes. >> Yeah, next time. No, miss other stuff. >> So, I had after uh Friday Night Apocalypse, I had one goal. I wanted to see the opening and five minutes in uh Yeah, I already got called away to fix something. Yeah. So, I didn't get to see the opening. I did see the closing by the way. >> Uh >> yeah, >> I saw >> Well, I was really happy with the opening that we had all the teams introduced saying welcome to uh to uh So, you were in the opening. >> I'm in the opening >> as well. So, that's also cool. >> Yeah. anymore else about content because yeah I I think uh when you look at it uh um what differed from other uh camps is that we didn't have like uh expensive people flying in flu in uh we just did it with community >> basically almost community content only >> uh and from what I've heard and seen and I know Robert has seen how How many how many talks have you watched already now, Robert? >> So So during the event I watched the opening and the closing, but after the event I've watched a couple, so about half a dozen now. >> Yeah. But there were talks about mental health, um extremely technical hacks, um >> about ropes, >> about ropes. Yes. uh uh multiple uh workshops uh for adults and for for kids. >> Balloon folding for for adults. >> Yeah. Um there was Lego. Yes. For kids. >> Cyber debate. I love the cyber >> the cyber debate. That was great. >> Yeah. That was that one is not online yet, but we're still working on it because >> could be online now. >> This was also an very interesting one. Do we want to talk about another crisis? Yes. >> Oh, that was an interesting one. Yes. Because this is like the rough idea of the Ycast. This was the rough idea of the cyber debate. Yeah. >> And myself, we're talking on the phone because we talk on the phone quite a while like oh um we there are new elections coming up. Uh what can we do with that? >> Should we do something with that? Because uh uh yeah cyber security and digital things >> getting more important state of the world. >> Yeah. always interesting. So, yeah, we decided, yeah, let's try and we did it. Yes. Yes. Uh >> well, you you did it together with Brenno and and some other people, but you and Brenno are the mom and dad of the cyber debate from my perspective. >> Yeah. And then, uh on Sunday, we hosted the cyber debate. And uh yeah, that was also very interesting. It it it started Sunday morning when our debate leader had to cancel for very valid reasons, but we only had like two hours to find someone to lead the debate. >> And we wanted to send him a lockpicking set because uh he had a breakin in his house. So, >> yeah. Um, but I must say um uh uh I think Brenno found her, but the uh formidable uh Sar Le Sakers actually stepped in and had one hour to prepare everything, but she did amazing. >> So yeah, that was really really cool. And then um yeah, so right before the cyber debate was supposed to begin uh we were like setting up and then uh one of the politicians didn't show up yet and he called and he was like I'm at the entrance and we were like but the cyber debate is starting right now. So he wasn't on time. And then there was also a different situation that made it very difficult to run the entire uh cyber debate because this power was being a little bit weird. >> It was dipping flaky. It was >> it was very flaky. >> Yes. >> We also got a call about the demonstration. >> Yes. Also that we had a call about rumors that there might >> people people wanted to demonstrate. >> Yes. Yes. So it was a crisis and I think I spent like most of the debate running from one end of the stage to the other end of the stage around the audience because you don't want to go through the audience and yeah it was very interesting but the whole power the power being flaky did cause some technical issues uh in the audio mostly. Um, so yeah, the the whole the the recording isn't very good. It's a little bit weird. So, uh, Pixie House is still trying to like make it as best as possible so that we can still put it out. Um, uh, but yeah, it uh yeah, it it takes a long time because they also had other events to do. Um, yeah, so the recording I'm still expecting it to come out, but yeah, it takes a little bit longer. I heard it was very interesting and very good. I also heard the responses of the audience, but I did not hear anything because I was worrying about all the crisises going on all at the same time and making sure that no one actually noticed that there was some something going on and I think we did really well with that. So yeah, >> team did >> absolutely >> and that was super fun as well. Incident responders uh do thrive when uh a good crisis occurs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. Rather than that, you can find all the talks on media.ccde and of course also on YouTube if you want to. So uh um yeah, most of them is is to be found there. >> Um yeah, >> we didn't have a a whole bunch of TP red uh no recording uh talks. Uh I think it was only like a handful. So most most of it that that was actually on the stages uh you can you can actually see on YouTube or at media.cc.de. >> Very cool. >> Pretty good. >> Um I've read some people on uh like McFly and and Bertie Bar and some people uh who wrote already on the Madon I'm having the after why blues I'm a bit sad. So you can you can watch these episodes but maybe we can also have a look on where we can meet whyed people after why bumper goes here. Each week we will share where you can find why minded people where to hack. >> So if you have the Y 2025 after blues you should go to different conferences. Yes, because there will be a lot of minded people walking around at least in the Netherlands. >> Yeah, you're going to see some people that were also at Y and you you're going to meet new people. So, yeah, that's definitely always fun. Um September 5th in the Mirart in Amsterdam, there is Orange Corn. >> Orange Corn was also at Y. They had a village. >> Orange Village. >> Orange Village. Yep. So you can uh you can go there and uh learn stuff but also meet people. Uh that's very fun. The week after the 13th of September in the performance factory in ENS there is Hackfest. >> Hackfest was also at W 2025 >> and organized by Dave who was also part of team uh permits. So he helped me out with the permits and he has also been active in the demo scene. So he did a lot on Y with the demo scene as well. Um it is I know it you will you you can pay the entrance which is €10 whooping euros. If you uh don't want to pay you can come crossdressed. Uh so if you come uh in a cosplay costume uh you can uh you can get in for free. Uh if you have doubts whether or not your costume is cosplay enough you can send it in and uh people will uh look at it. Uh but probably you will be fine. Um >> €10 >> €10 is is doable, but >> €10 and cosplay. >> That's even better. >> You're always good. Yeah. >> And uh I think I was there last year together with and he did the interview there uh with Mitch Alman for the White Cast. Yeah, >> exactly. I was going to mention that one. >> Oh, sorry. One of one of the first episodes of of the Ycast uh features an interview or actually two interviews recorded at HackFest. Mitch and Dimmitri. Dimmitri as well. Yeah, >> Dimmitri didn't know he was actually being interviewed. He thought he was getting a demo of the microphones and then we just tossed it in. >> Oh, so much fun. >> Dimitri who was uh who was also responsible for the lovely firewall uh at camp. Uh many many people saw it and made >> and the speaker desk speaker desk lasers and more lasers >> and a huge laser that was actually >> a green laser >> several tens of kilometers away. >> Yeah. >> More than 20 km. >> Maybe also good to mention like the interview that wasn't an interview with Hackfest. He consented to it being >> he definitely did. >> Maybe good good to mention. But uh I think uh I think uh Dave uh yeah let please do go to hackfest because uh it'll be awesome. >> Yeah. And if you are a team lead, >> then there is something for you. >> Or if your team leads can't come themselves, uh you can replace them because we wanted to have at least one uh uh or preferably one representative from each and every of the 42 teams uh to have a team lead evaluation which will be the 20th of September which is a Saturday. It will be in bit layer in ammeris fort because bit layer and ammers for um uh so you have had some information on the mailing list you will receive some more information on it anytime soon from but uh then we will do the evaluation if you have to share if you want to share feedback please do so with your team leads if you were not part of you can always send the email to 2029 at y2025.org and we can use it as well for the evaluation and then if you just want a party but that's >> October 25th >> in October. Yeah, there's a party in October. Uh, and that's inova in Heckalot because uh my uh my sister in crime Crystal uh of course is uh uh is chair chair there of Hackalot inova and we will have a after party there with anyone who wants to come to a Y afterparty with white people and more white people and >> also not white people but yeah >> yeah whoever wants to come have an afterparty whyed people to say the least. So that's cool. Don't forget to sign up on the wiki for that by the way >> because of food and drinks. >> Y >> yes, please do so. Sign up on the wiki. And um so people asked me, "So Nancy, what you going to do now after? Why?" And I was like, "I might want to help out Chantel because Chantel is also doing cool stuff." >> Yeah. So I have uh uh a conference uh with only women in cyber security on stage. Uh, it's called Wickl and it's the 30th and 31st of October this year in the Lab in Harlem. And Nancy is actually a speaker. >> Yay. >> Nancy, do you want to tell us what you're going to do? >> Yeah, it's I I I the CFP was was the outline and a little bit of context. Uh, but basically the title of the talk is I uh uh I gathered 4,000 hackers on the on the field and uh here's what happened. So if you want to know more about what happened and why 2025 definitely come to Vicon and uh if you're not able to the it will be recorded. >> All creatures welcome by the way because I get the question a lot are men welcome or non-binary people welcome? Yes. Everybody's welcome as a visitor on stage only women. >> Yep. >> Yeah. And after after that if you if you really can but oh I'm so happy we have something in the where to hack something that is sold out. Do you know what I'm talking about? >> Tradition traditions. >> It's a tradition. It's a white house tradition. We promote events that are sold out. >> Go ahead. >> It is ETH0 which is awesome. >> Yes. You can you can come to Vicon and then and then drive to ETHL. Yeah. >> And not >> on the same day. >> There are no tickets left. >> Yeah. >> But but yeah, there are no tickets left and which is very cool because uh it's um it's a new group of people who are starting up ET uh ETS Zero again. Uh and I think that's really cool. And of course, some of the old fellas are are helping uh these uh these people to uh to uh well, let's reboot ETA Zero. And um I'm so very happy to uh to have read that tickets are sold out already. >> Yeah, that's awesome. >> Um yeah, I think it's really a boost for their uh for their organization as well that uh they they are feeling filling a void. there are feeling a need for more cool hacker events. Um, so shout out to uh to the sweet people of the orga of ANO uh or ETH0 but it's Yeah, thanks. And now we also have something that is sold out which is which is good which is tradition. Yeah. >> Yes. Um and and if we hook into the traditions thing, uh you already mentioned Ammersport. >> Amish for >> Yes. Uh which is one of the lessons learned from doing this weekly podcast. You will screw things up. You will mispronounce. You will uh misspeak and you will >> Yeah, obviously enough. Um but you will uh at some point say that a certain hacker space is not an insort but Amsterdam and then get corrected and keep correcting it and it becomes a meme. >> It becomes a meme. Yeah. >> And we kind of do like memes. >> Yes. >> But there are more lessons learned. Um the right time never comes >> is one of the lessons. No, you just start, you improvise and little by little you become better at it. So yeah, just do it is a lesson learned. Um, I did thoroughly enjoy uh making all these episodes. I thoroughly enjoyed um uh being part of uh of team info. Um there's a bunch of things that I learned. There's a bunch of things that I have improved on uh during uh all all these months of work and there are more stuff uh that that will improve if I do things like this again. But if you don't start, you'll never improve. So just >> I do see a couple of u um u examples also written down under the the right time. Just go ahead. Yeah. So not entirely sure what everything means, but the thumbnails. So, our first couple of episodes were basically an automatically generated thumbnail of uh YouTube >> YouTube >> uh which works fine but then we started creating our own thumbnails because they Yeah, >> it looked better. It looked better. So, I learned Conf because I never used Confed in my life and uh uh it has cool features and now I know how to make thumbnails and know how to video edit because I never had done that before in my life. So, >> yeah, >> I really had to had to look up everything how how even to to cut a scene or do anything. Everything was new to me and I was so happy when I created the fire when we had Yik in our episode. It was like probably for anyone who is in video editing, it's like a no-brainer thing to do, but for me it was like, "Oh my god, I learned something new." >> Yeah. You learn you learn you use new tools and then learn new stuff and that that was very fun. Yeah. The other one north of Amsterdam. >> I am not entirely sure that is Yeah, that is the misspeaking. Um in Dutch uh you can say boven as above but also bo as north of something. >> Um so in the first couple of episodes uh we were talking about Ambak being 42 km above Amsterdam while it is north of Amsterdam and it's not floating in the sky 42 km. >> I did not even realize this. Well, somebody did and mentioned it to me and it was like, "Yeah, each episode I'm I'm I'm I'm laughing out loud hearing you say that and I was like, why why did it take you so long to mention this to me so we can fix it?" >> Thank you, Thank you. >> Thank you, Team Waste. Team Waste forever. Love you. No, but so that's that took a while before someone pointed that out to us so we could fix it. Um yeah another lesson learned for me for me it was really fun I mean I am in uh I was in prayer light clinging of course and uh although you talk to a lot of people during physical meetups uh um you you don't actually really talk talk to people and this gave me an opportunity especially in the interviewing part to talk to so many people within the organization and to hear and figure out what's uh what drives them to be part of the orga and that was really helpful for me as well uh from a project learning point of view to know what's going on within the teams and know why people are so motivated and so uh driven to uh to make this cool event happen. So that was very awesome to me. Um, oh yeah. Um, there was this one episode that Shantel and I did together because had other things to do and >> that was on March 28th. >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, it was like to be released on the 28th of March. Yeah. Yes. And it was >> episode number 27. >> Yeah. So um what we do in our rough idea of the Ycast uh document, we put the date in there. >> Both both. >> What? Yeah. So the episode number and then the date. >> Yeah. >> And so Yeah. So Nancy and I just started recording this and uh we didn't >> Welcome to the White Cast episode 28. Yes, we didn't really look. >> Luckily, there was only one person who noticed it. So, >> yeah. And that was odd. >> Yep. Immediately. I actually um when when when you said that there might be a thing in there. Um I kind of already thought it could be this and then I started the episode and and was like, "Okay, yeah, that's there there it is." So there were actually two episodes uh 28. >> Yeah. >> Which is fine. >> Well, the title in the YouTube is >> Yeah. The title is different. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But we we we we called it episode 28. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the reason I was not there for that episode was because life happened >> and uh that is a thing that happens. >> Yeah. And when life happens, especially when you work together with uh big groups of awesome people, it's okay to step back. Um at some point you don't have the head space, the physical energy to do something. Uh that is fine. Um either we did it once, we skipped a week, or you just say to people, okay, sorry, can you help me because I can't. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I had the same thing because I was uh highly involved in the beginning and then life happened and I had to step down and uh uh it yeah it still all worked out and then uh a couple months later I got to step in for someone else where life happened. So yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um, if if you do stuff with friends and people that become friends while doing events like this, it's okay to say, "Uh, sorry, I can't right now." >> Someone someone will step in. >> Yeah. And, um, that also ties in a bit maybe with the with the after blues. Um, it's okay to be not, uh, feeling your your your your sunny best every day. um just giving it your best on on on whatever day is good enough. Uh you're good enough. And uh we might actually uh together with Simon uh do a bit of a crossover episode uh later on on a different podcast as well uh on um the neurotypical or atypicalness of uh hackers and nerds and also um what it does mentally with people. if you have uh such a a tight group of of cool people doing this kind of stuff together and then suddenly uh not having the event anymore. >> Yeah. >> And then you go to the where to hack and and just pick up more more cool stuff. >> Yeah. >> Or just say I will do a team accessibility with you for EMF >> or or >> Oh, that's a spoiler. What helped me a lot with uh uh the whole black hole after Y was actually going back and then help with tear down. >> They really because compared to MCH I had >> uh it was way easier to uh get back on track and not feel the the dread and doom of the black hole after a hacker camp. So yeah, >> and still in in the middle of of the the whole uh making sure that all the permit rules are still So I'm not done yet. I haven't seen the hole yet. >> Well, we're all not entirely done yet, but yeah, >> we're here. >> Yeah, I'm recording this. Yeah. >> Uh, another important lesson. Sound is more important than video. Although video is fun. Um, I would like to mention one funny thing about sounds. Um, because people tend to recognize us by our voices. Uh, had that, I have had that, Shantel has had that. But I was, uh, talking to this, um, dude who was doing dishes in heaven. So, I thanked him very much for doing dishes in heaven because you should thank all angels as much as possible. uh especially when they're doing things that that are very helpful to everybody. So I said, "Well, thank you so much for the doing this." And he said, "Well, thank you for the Ycast." And I was like, "Okay, interesting." He said, "This is my first hacker camp experience ever." And by listening to the Ycast, I it taught me so much about how this all works and the whole angel thing and the um the the ways the way it is organized and all the information. Uh so thank you so much for for for creating that. And my goodness, you talk slowly in real life because he used to listen to us at at one point 25 speeds. So, he said, "I'm so sorry, but you're so slow in real life." I never gotten that one before, but I thought it was a hilarious uh hilarious example of an encounter with a actual listener. Yeah. >> Well, if you're still listening now, it's okay that you're listening at 1.5. It's it's fine. >> It's fine. It's fine. >> Yeah. And if sound is more important one, >> Yeah. If sound is more important, then then my voice is is great for this episode as well. >> Yes, definitely. Um, which ties into the next one. Don't try to be perfect because you won't be. Nope. >> Nah, you won't be perfect. Yeah. Which is not only a lesson for a podcast, but life in general, right? >> Yeah. Just takes way too long to be perfect. >> Yeah. >> Perfectionism is the killer of of done. >> Yeah. >> So, good enough is good enough. And um >> I think a lovely example also is that um so I recorded all these short videos for the opening from people saying hi welcome to Y from team and then their team name and everybody I spoke with after the opening said oh yeah I love the opening except my part. >> Yeah it's always your own is cringe. >> Your your own is cringe. Yeah. So if you if you want to get over that grinchy feeling of seeing yourself and hearing yourself, start a podcast. Back it up. That definitely >> already something episodes and then and then you'll be fine. >> Yeah. No, that that definitely helps. Um also a lot of people experience. So if you uh have a talk that has been recorded and then watching it back, a lot of people find that very very difficult. Mhm. >> It definitely helps if you just do it and keep doing it. Yeah. Because uh Yeah. >> Or watch it with other people or Yeah. >> Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. It's I I had that same thing. But since I've been doing a lot of podcasts and also watching and and listening back to that, uh it's way more easy. And then I can just um from a distance look at it like okay so I might have to improve on this but that was fine and yes I did stumble on my words there but yeah that happens to everyone. >> Yeah. >> So yeah. No it it helps if you do it a lot but it is still definitely in the beginning super super super cringy. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. But then uh you just do it and and and cool stuff arises from that. Um cuz I see something here about the the say of pizza uh which was just an idea that >> it was popped up. Also a rough idea. >> Also a rough idea and from what I heard I mean unfortunately I couldn't attend myself but um it was a great success. >> Yeah, it definitely was. >> Yeah. And we have we have a complete episode. But if you look for the thumbnail with all the chhats on it, >> different different color hair, >> all kinds of that's the thumbnail. Uh uh she will explain there what CF pizza night was all about. We really wanted to have more uh diversity and underrepresented groups on stage. Uh and we tried different things to to make that happen. And one of the things was help people from that target audience uh with their CFPs uh during a night uh hybrid. >> Yeah. >> Uh where they can could come and get help to get their CFP out of the door. And um we we still have to run the numbers. I think Shantel that is something that we uh that we aim to do in the coming couple of months. >> Yeah. >> Uh to see what the effects were of all the things that we did. But I think yeah sometimes I this just popped up right preparing the the white cast I think. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that was actually um the actual episode 28. >> So everything comes full circle. >> Yeah. >> Very nice. No, but I think it's uh it's cool to have more initiatives to uh um Yeah. >> Yeah. help out because sometimes it it feels very daunting to uh submit your CFP to a big hacker camp or a conference or but yeah we we want to hear from >> other people. >> Yes. >> And not always the same people. So yeah. So yeah, CFP night or um writing CFPs that are inclusive really help with that. So um yeah >> and also I think the lesson learned here if we look from it from the wos perspective if if you start creating cool stuff with a group of friends and and meeting each other on a regular basis more other cool stuff derives from it. So >> yeah and I think having a podcast about why and also mentioning these kind of things in there. So a lot of uh comments you get when you are in a podcast is that people listen to you and then feel like they're in the conversation and are becoming friends. So that also helps with >> helping people Yeah. lowering the bar and helping people overcome fear with for example submitting something or uh participating in a team. Um so yeah we did lots of different stuff to help with that. >> Yeah. Cool. Um, I think it's it would be nice if we could finish up with some highlights overall, but maybe also some personal highlights from us, uh, from our experience. That's why. So, um, we saw a lot of drone footage on on Mustadon as well, but, um, I think I can edit it in here. thought you had a drone video, right? with consent and all the right uh permit thingies. And >> um I have uh uh actually several drone videos uh because there was a group of drone enthusiasts >> uh that suddenly uh gathered in the info tent and we were like what are all these people doing here while doing doing our info desk uh in in the same uh tent as as K's post and it was suddenly really crowded like what what what are you guys here for? We're for the drones. Oh. >> Oh, and that means there's cool videos. So, there was a signal group specially for that. And I hopped in there and and saw very very cool drone shots. Um, which you can now probably see on YouTube if you're uh if you're watching this uh there. >> Yes. >> Um, we'll edit some in and uh we'll put the name of the drone shooters there as well. Um cuz credit is where credits are due. >> Very good. Talking about credits, um we also uh we had some previews already in the Ycast about uh the firewall and uh it made us really curious and I think it was one of the amazing eye catchers at Y, right? I mean, Dei had so much fun and even Henry drove around with the mayor of of the municipality and asked Dei because it was uh daytime so it was a bit too light actually for the firewall but he called me like fire up the firewall and he was driving there with the mayor and the mayor was like whoa what the actual bleep is this and Henry was so cool and he said yeah you gave a permit for which I thought was hilarious as well because Yeah. Um it was cool. Yeah. And people also complain about diesel leak that there was diesel leakage which was interesting because they were gas lit. Um, so, oh well, but I think the firewall was a was a very awesome thing and hopefully we will see we will see it uh at other events around Europe as well because uh of course uh Dei made it not only for white but also to use in in future camps. Um so these were a particular very visible highlights. Um so what were your personal highlights? I think I'm I will start with Robert. Robert, what can you point out some things that were very special to you or beautiful to you? >> Yeah, definitely that the from the stuff I saw afterwards because during the event I I basically experienced only a few talks uh but um the the frack release party uh so on stage uh I helped creating the the booklet from team info. picked that up and that was really a lot of fun seeing them uh sharing the story about 40 years of Frack magazine and them releasing it after exactly 20 year 2001 was the first time. So that's 24 years after the first uh physical release they released it for the 40th year. Um that was fun and then going to Millieways and meet up while they were having their beer party and doing lots of fun stuff there. Um, and also I enjoyed uh a lot the um Sunday afternoon. Um, I had to step out of the cyber debate because Ryan Ahand came. Rain is a C64 composer who made music in the late 80s on the Commodore 64 and he came to play a full hour of his contemporary work uh during the event. That was a really a lot of fun uh seeing him play. Um and then the last thing I want to mention, Saturday my parents came to the event and that was their uh 80 plus and they couldn't visualize what it was I was doing. So uh I got an opportunity to invite them. Thank you, Nancy, for having that uh uh opportunity because that was really a lot of fun showing them around and and uh I was there yesterday to talk to them and they're still like that was amazing. We can't believe that that field was so huge and so many people were there and >> and we did a little parent hack dear. Can can you tell a little bit about that because I think that's still a cool thing. >> Yeah. So we we uh your parents were there and Up's parents were there and um Yoko's parents were there uh and we talked to the parents from each other to share how much the uh person invested in in uh why happening. So I went up to your mother and Yoko uh mother uh to share uh the amazing amount of work you put in >> brag to the other parents. That was that was what we what we aimed to do. I'm I'm going to brag about you >> to your parents and you are going to brag about me to my mom and that was uh that worked wonders. That worked wonders. Yeah. Cool. >> Yeah. And three generations on the field because your son was also there. Of course. >> My son was there. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So that was a lot of fun. >> Yeah. Awesome. >> Well, and that ties in with one of my highlights because Yeah. my dad was there and it was really cool to show him what I was working on for uh for a year. Um uh but also uh there were a bunch of people from uh the local neighborhood. So the people who would have uh uh heard our uh little event going on that they live within uh a noise radius. Um, and uh I actually got to show uh them uh and also Yoko's parents uh around the field for uh I think we were there for 2 hours just uh bruising the villages and and looking intents and and um just seeing what was happening uh in all the all the different corners and and we still missed a whole bunch of stuff cuz there's just so much going on. Uh but the reactions, the responses we got were were were really really great and and people really enjoyed seeing all the different facets and also hearing the stories about how um the the hacker camps and and hackers in general uh communicate with each other. all the the working together stuff, the fact that uh the biggest part of the the Y 2025 website is actually a wiki, a wiki where you can all add your own information, where you can add and correct stuff, where you can make all the information available to everyone in a in a in a central place. And the fact that um this self moderation uh just works um that was really cool for them to see. Uh cuz they have more events there. Um for example uh just before Y there was a musical event. Uh so there was just a lot of noise and a lot of people. Uh actually quite a lot more than uh there were at Y. Um, but the the the lesser density of a hacker camp and this uh constant 24-hour working together and and and being togetherness of of this lowlands meets hacker conference, security conference um in the outdoors was for them uh really mind-blowing. I mean, they as neighbors uh did get a tour at uh the music event, but this was so completely different. Um and and showing people from really outside of the hacker community like how cool it is what we do as hackers. Uh that was for my for me one of the one of the highlights. >> Cool. And you should tell do you have uh you already mentioned a lot from from the whole team content perspective. Of course that was and making sure that everything uh >> I already mentioned a lot of highlights indeed because they were definitely highlight crisis. Yeah it was a highlight. either. >> Oh, what I still want to mention about that that I am very very proud how team content so including speaker desk heralds uh and also production house by the way which is not part of team content but we worked very closely with them how we managed the crisis and how we worked together because it was it was a crisis but it was so much fun to work together and it was such an good oiled machine. So yeah, that was amazing to see. That's my personal highlight. >> Cool. >> Well, I think uh I can speak for everyone to say uh we're proud of all the teams. Anyways, >> well, the fun fact is a lot of teams said my team was the best. We had >> team content is the best. >> Team info is the best. Team promo is I've heard so many teams team exist. And the thing is we are all team Y, right? And I know this sounds corny, unicorns and rainbows, but it was all one team >> in the end at the end of the day. So, it's so cool that all the teams are so very proud on what they did, what they pulled off. Uh yeah, >> I think I think many many team leads will say uh um it was >> best team. It was we were the best team. Yeah, >> of course. Of course. Uh I mean, team info did have the the best people in the team. Obviously, two out of four here agreed. just don't tell the others. No. Um, but I think every team lead will say that it is because of the team and and working together inside the team, working together with all the other teams. Um, it it's not not a oneperson show. It's it's a it's a a hundreds of volunteers working together show. >> Yeah. Can I also do my highlights? >> You can also do your >> highlights, Nancy. One of the things that I find very very cool that was I got I finally got my own beer. >> Yay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was food court. >> Also the best team of course team food court and team barf. Team food bar. Best team in the world. Um uh uh they uh they created Nancy Bear. Uh, and from what I understood, they got the idea from me because some at some event I said it would be so cool to have Nancy beers at the bar, like blonde beer. Uh, that that would be awesome. And they actually created and they were numbered. They were limited edition. They had an NFC tag on the bottom. And my mom who was there on Saturday afternoon was like, "Nessie, get me." Because her last name is also beers since it's my mom. uh which is not always obvious but she wanted to be Nancy beers as well. So uh and my mom also loves beer. So uh I got one for myself and one for my mom. >> So awesome. >> That was that was absolutely in highlight. What I really like liked also was the media coverage. We uh I was in a live radio show. We did an interview with NSA. Uh uh so that was also kind of cool also because it wasn't that it was uh except for nor blood this guy is just sorry but no never again on the field because he was telling Uh but uh NSA did an amazing job, Trius did an amazing job and the radio show uh uh truly gave a nice overview on uh what was going on at a hacker camp and like decriminalizing the term hacker uh which I particularly like a lot that you have the media coverage that we want to see as a hacker community. So that was something. Of course, I met my big superhero test leader there. And nobody gives a crap about this story, but that was absolutely one of my personal highlights. Some of you were there. You have seen me freak out. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Um I will let you know in the show notes who test leader is. It's only my >> It's a big thing for team H superhero. It was a very big thing for me. Yeah. >> Um uh two more things. No, one more thing. Uh, and I really particularly enjoyed the fact how all gates turned out. Yeah. Um, and especially the fact that that there were officials there to check if we uh did it right according to permit. Uh, if you want to know more about all gates, please go and visit the either the opening or the closing. Uh, if you listen to them both, you will have the full story. But um we split the bar in two uh half of the bar was bar, other half of the bar was supermarket and then the people came to check it and they said we see no irregularities here and they left the fields with all green marks. So that was a personal highlight of me as well because that was just >> that sounds like the system. >> It was it was hacking the system. So that was a personal uh personal lovely hack that I uh that I enjoyed a lot. And oh there so so much more cool stuff happens. Oh. Oh the last one I want to end with is um my next big project next to Vic uh uh will be the special Olympics. I have a warm heart for accessibility. I'm very happy that this time we have a team accessibility which consisted of uh Simon uh so please for next time please join join in to make it even better but uh uh Simon together with me myself and and Robert uh we made a lot of things happen uh and also with all the other teams a lot of improvements were made for people with all types of disabilities which I think is awesome and one of the things that that was that really touched my heart was the fact that there was this one guy who had never been to a hacker camp before because he wasn't um uh courageous enough yet to ask for help. Uh he did and he did somewhere in February or even a bit earlier he reached out to us and said I would really love to go go to camp. He also did some work for team badge. I would really want to go to camp and uh but I need some mean of trans transportation on the field. Uh can you please help me with that? And we did and uh on the first day uh of camp uh uh he was there and I fell into he fell into my arms crying and I was also crying and I'm crying almost again because it changed his life. Uh, I'm I I I might say, yeah, I think um it's safe to say that we changed his life by making it possible for him and he sent me an overview of the fields because he had a tracker on where he went during camp and >> everywhere >> everywhere everywhere. >> He was all over the place. >> I think it's I think it is so awesome uh that we u made this possible for more more people than just uh uh Bishi in this case. uh uh but I I'm so happy and proud that uh that um uh more people are able to visit camp and and be a part of it and be a part of the community by that. Um yes, it's only one of 4,000 people who were on the field, but for me uh this was uh I could have just organized this whole camp just for him. And I told him also, you are second, but because the one person I organized this scan for was uh was uh was Paul, my favorite player, too. So, yeah, that is I think this is it. >> It's a wrap. >> Yes. >> And and we don't need your questions anymore. Uh we don't >> Well, it's fine. Well, if if you have something to add, if you have a cool story, if you want to share uh your view, if you want to share your highlight, >> you can put them down below. We will read them. >> We will read them. Yes, absolutely. Um but uh yeah for this series of the Ycast this is the end and we want to thank you very much for listening for watching for all the times you interacted with us and um this was our last Friday >> Friday. [Music]