Why They Really Want You In A Digital Control Grid | Bladerunner Ben Butler

Hello, legends. So, I was driving into town the other day and um I got a speeding ticket and uh I got it off one of these average speed cameras. And the annoying thing about it uh well, it was a couple of things. First off, this is a route that I've driven for like the last 35 years at 30 m an hour. And uh now the speed's been reduced to 20. And of course, the way your brain gets programmed over the years is I'm still thinking it's 30. totally oblivious to the fact that there's all this new technology out there that just appears without any seemingly public debate about it. These big yellow cameras that that are shoved up and I wouldn't mind if it was about saving human life, preventing accidents, etc., etc. But when you look at the increasing surveillance state, digital technology, uh the electronic prison, the 15minute cities, the electric cars, etc., etc., [snorts] uh then you chuck on top of that digital ID and a digital credit system. It all starts to become a bit more than what I think the public might perceive. Just have a look at this video. Illusions. It's only in the last 60 years since we've all been programmed by the mass media to believe in the official narrative, aka the history written by the winners. >> This is the of all You scumb. that the mass of people have become mentally enslaved by the illusion that the world is run by democratically elected governments rather than by the wealthiest, most powerful families. So in 2025, the mass of humanity are fully programmed NPCs. >> Okay, that said, let's go and meet someone who's doing something about this. Let's go and meet Ben. [music] >> [music] >> Ben, how you doing, mate? >> Hey, how's it going? Really good to be on. Thanks for having me. >> Oh, that's uh always a pleasure, Ben. Always a pleasure. Um, just ironic that it was Katherine that put us in touch. Katherine was very um proactive, you could say, during the scam vid. I refuse to call it the name that everyone else does. Just call it what it was. It was a scam. >> Absolutely. Um, the next thing she's introducing you to me via email and then I see her uh being arrested in North Devon, which I know you've just done a a tour of, let's say, >> in conjunction with taking down the Oles um cameras. Uh, we've had >> Oh, yeah. Just uh just a quick just to interject really quickly. Um the ules only around London, so greater London kind of area. Um the systems definitely interlink, but there's a a nationwide thing that's being rolled out as well, which everyone will be familiar with in the British Isles, but yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt there. >> No, no, no. Very good interruption, mate. I I got it wrong there. Um but um we've had Matt Hardy on the show before, internationally known as the Blade Runner. And Matt and I, we we have more of a sort of, you know, general discussion about the fact that he he totally believes these are not um, you know, that these are weapon systems essentially. Uh, that not that are not in our interest. And since I've been introduced to you, Ben, I've been looking at your stuff and my gosh, your uh how can we say? I don't know how much Matt knows about the technology, although you know, he clearly knows enough to speak up about it, but you are a guy that definitely understands this at a a grassroots level. Um, which obviously the police are never going to do. people like myself are never going to do, the public uh are never going to do. So, yes. Tell us a bit about yourself. >> Yeah. Um I mean, yeah, just uh a quick one on that. You mentioned Matt Hardy or Matt Houston and yeah, legend. Um he's really highlighted uh you know, how simple this actually is, you know. Um, I always like to keep things simple even though I might know the more technical side of things. Um, and the beautiful thing about the scenario that we're in is that even if you're not a, you know, scientist or experienced in this kind of weaponry, um, we have it all on a plate. You know, generally speaking, there was no public consultation for any of this equipment and all of it is uninsurable. Uh 5G technology is not insurable by any insurer uh on the planet. So, you know, so you don't need to understand too much about the technicalities to really understand that this isn't in our best interests. Um but a little bit of a background on me. Um I studied aerospace in 2008 2011 and um I kind of always wondered why I was there. You know I've always been a bit creative and you know like building things, designing things and that kind of thing. So it fit me well. Um but when it was like weapons guidance systems and radar and you know all of these kinds of topics quite destructive things uh also inbuilt obsolescence I was learning about that as well. Um and for those that don't know that's uh designing products which are they're designed to fail uh shortly after the warranty period in order to you know cause more uh more buying. um all familiar with that these days of course. Um but yeah, so that was my background. I I never actually went into aerospace. Most of the interviews that I actually went to, they could see it in my eyes like, you know, this guy's a bit of a problem because I actually woke up a lot during university. um you know seeing what this was all really about you know revolving door from weapons companies into lecturing at a university to train people to go and work for the weapons companies and so on and you know once I saw those things it made me nearon unemployable uh in that area you know however um I worked in automotive engineering for some time um doing computer aed design and manufacture which ended being my kind of specialtity. Um, as you mentioned just before we started, Chris, I ran along into a small business that I uh own, you know, designing small model kits to help kids learn about engineering and stuff like that. But, um, yeah, either way, it was all part of my process leading me right here, right now. And now I realize in hindsight it was all perfect and it led me to to where I am now being primed in a way, you know. >> Yeah. Let's talk about that because Ben, my degree was in uh youth and community work. >> Amazing. >> And of course I studied that in 2003. I think I went to uni and of course there was a major event that happened that affected us globally in 2001, wasn't there? >> Absolutely. >> And uh I went into a lecture one day [snorts] and we were early to the lecture. So we were just sat around the table chatting with the lecturer but that nice sort of informal um um thing that can happen at uni. It doesn't sort of happen when you're at school. and we're all chatting away and he said, "Um, has anyone seen that uh video of the Pentagon?" And of course, this was the early days of dialup internet and everyone had a was it a Pentium 365 computer, you know, you had to really crank it to get the thing started and you got this awful screeching noise as the dialer [laughter] connected you to the world. And [snorts] um he said, "Yeah, there's there's people suggesting that 911 wasn't what what we were told it was." >> Your lecturer. >> Yeah. This is my lecturer at uni. >> Wow. >> Right. Who ironically when I met him years later and I said to him, "Do you know what? You triggered me to just go on the truth journey." I mean, I I like to think I was an enlightened person before this because I'd, you know, been through chronic drug addiction and come out the other side or [snorts] well, [laughter] that's debatable. Um, but uh and he just looked at me dead pan and went, "What? N and you could see that even though he was the one that came up with this info, he couldn't take it in." Mhm. >> So, I went away. I watched this video and my gosh, that was the like the stepping stone for me, realizing everything in this world is just not not what you've been taught, not what you've been told. And by the end of uni, I was looking at, you know, what is youth work? It's basically, I mean, I'm simplifying this. I don't mean to offend anyone, but it's kind of ameliating the effects of having this huge disparity in society where kids can grow up in a dispossessed area. You know, no job chances or whatever. There's no factory. I mean, there's no dockyard here where we live anymore. There's no, you know, the agriculture is all me mechanicalized, me mechanized, I think is the word. And you know, for people that are not like destined for uni, their their um prospects in life have been severely uh limited. And where youth work comes in is kind of to say, look, don't go and graffiti up your neighborhood because you're angry and nothing's working for you. Just come to a youthwork club once a week and you know, we we'll provide you everything that you need. And by the end of uni, [laughter] I just felt that this whole course was just, you know, a what I would call sticking a plaster on a wooden leg. And my fellow students would be like, "Chris, we know what you're saying is true, but could you just shut up about it because we've tried really hard to get our degrees." And I'm like, "Yeah, me too." I mean, I was 30 when I went, you know, I was I think I was 32 or 33 when I went to uni, but truth has to prevail. You know, if you want to honor these young people or your children, you you can't just kind of like duck this one because it it makes your life like a bit easier. So, um >> yes, I can totally relate to that. Yeah. >> What was your sort of moment of realizing that, you know, there's foul foul play out there? >> Um, well, there's so many moments. Uh, I was a lot younger when uh 9/11 happened. And my my funny story about that is I was actually at uh a swimming pool and I went to the top of the flumes and there was a bloke at the top of the flumes and he said, "Uh, have you heard about what's happened?" And I just went, "Nah." and then chuck myself down the flume. And that was when I found out about 9/11. So, I wasn't old enough to to be woken up by it, so to speak. Um, but I've always been into the occult. For some reason, I've always been into what's not being said rather than what's being said. And so the moment that you know dial up came around and I was able to go onto the internet and look at things um I've always been looking into secret societies and you know the darker agendas that are being rolled out on the the humans or the men and women of the planet and um so again it was like a priming but um I would say that [clears throat] I was really aware during university that, you know, all of these things when you look at it from a bigger picture perspective and you can really see like, okay, they're teaching us this microscopically in a classroom, but what does this mean on the the wider scale? Um, I was aware of that darkness and I was trying to bring it up just like you said with my colleagues at university and shut down after shutdown. But then the funny thing was is I had my lecturers who I could speak to. Um for example with chemtrails I was told about chemtrails in probably 2005 something like that. And uh when I was at uni it was already kind of baked in let's say and I was always questioning things. So I'd go to the lectures uh lecturers and I'd say you know I've heard a lot about this thing. Uh is it real? and they're like, "Cloud seeding, of course, 100%." And then I'd say it to my friends and they'd be like, "You've gone mad." So it's like, "Well, you're you're listening to the lecturers and so am I. Why are you not listening to me?" You know? Um, so it was odd to see that the the barriers that people put up, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think age w with the old chemtrails, age has a bit to do with it because, you know, I'm old enough to remember the the drought of I think it was 1976. >> We had to get our water from a tap in the street. They called it a stand pipe, right? >> Wow. >> Cuz you weren't trusted to control the water supply in your home because you'd be watering your, you know, your punias or something or washing your washing your what was it back then? and your your your Morris Miner. >> Um, so everyone had to go with a bucket and you got your water from a tap in the street. And >> the thing back then is you had these beautiful blue skies pretty much every summer when I was a kid. They they were blue. They were a certain kind of of of blue. And if a plane went over, it would leave a bit of condensation. You knew that within I don't know, let's just say 20 minutes that that that would all be all be gone. >> Yeah. what we see now. And we've just had a long hot summer, which I've been eternally I'll be eternally grateful for. But I've seen on the uh I've seen on the internet people trying to say, "Look, I know you think that sky is blue, but it's not the blue that it should be. It's like this milky sort of whitey blue." And to a lot of people, they must just be thinking, "What are you talking about? It's it's a clear blue sky." >> Whereas you and I will look at it and go, "No, see that little wispy white bit? That was the plane that went over at 7:00 this morning." >> And that that that weird, you know, if you look really closely, there there's this kind of strange tiger tiger pattern coming. That was the plane that went over at 705. And >> yeah, >> and so I I think for youngsters, they they don't know what the skies used to look like. So they've got no reference point. And I think for the adults, they've been so blissfully unaware and, you know, watching their Strictly Come Dancing and whatever that I I just think it's way out of their field of perception to to understand. >> For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's so quick for for us to forget, isn't it? A single generation, I reckon, is all that they need uh these days, cuz they're so advanced in the psychology of man, um the degradation of it, let's say. Um but, you know, with the the chemtrails thing, I started to see it in a lot more of an occult way. Um, you know, obviously S O N and S U N being such such similar uh names, especially when we when we speak them and to block the sun um is is quite an odd thing to be doing. Uh especially at this time where everybody's talking of um you know, energies that are being projected down to us from the sun. Uh you know, these solar flares and whatever. And I don't know exactly what any of that is, but it does feel like a very energetic time. Like we're we're receiving a lot of uh messaging these days. And to block out the sun uh you know, this milky haze that you see uh from the research that I've done, and I'm still prepared to say that I'm wrong. I I listen to a lot of stuff at the moment that says that they're not what they think. Sorry, they're the chemtrails are not what we currently think that they are. So, it's always a deepening subject for me. And what I would say is one thing that I've uh recognized this summer particularly is um when I'm sitting in the garden and I see the shadows coming down through that milky sky, there's something strange with the light as well. Um there's something strange with the shadows. It seems more like a an LED like shadow that's cast rather than a uh you know normal kind of diffusing gentle light. And um it's something that you'd have to experience like sort of look out for what I am saying if you haven't seen it already. But um the only explanation I have for that is that the actual waveform of the light is being changed by the particles that are hanging around in the sky. Um, and that would make sense because the sun in its normal form is really good for our cells, really good for our health and so on. And of course, you can see quite obviously that there's an attack on our uh health from so many angles these days. So, it all does make sense. Uh, especially with light. Uh, you know, you see these new lamp posts that are going up, the new car lights as well. All of these LEDs, they're completely illegal. It's known that they're not good for for our skin cells, our eyes, our brains as well. Um, a lot of them are actually causing uh eyesight issues. If you look at the NHS data, the eye issues have just gone through the roof in recent times. And it's all the roll out of this stuff. So, it all links in together. And I've come to refer to it all as the weapon. you know, there there are many facets, but when you when you look into it enough, they're all doing the same thing, which is, you know, essentially destroying our lives really. Um, and that's kind of what brought me to having a line in the sand [clears throat] which has been crossed and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. So, if that makes sense. >> Makes perfect sense. Um, I thought long and hard about it. Um, one thing we do on my show a lot is we decode scripture. >> So, you've got this awesome uh just show my book here. So, people, in fact, I think I might have a um No, maybe not. Hang on a sec. Um, I use this book. I recommend everybody gets into it. >> Anyone that h hasn't uh watched John St. Julian's channel, he's a lovely friend of mine. This is a dictionary of scripture and myth. And what it does, Ben, is it it decodes what is ri written in the Bible as to what it actually means in the esoteric sense or you said the occult, so hidden knowledge as opposed to like a three-dimensional, you know, this is this is how Jesus lived and he did this and he did that. Um, and so I mean a silly example is like when you hear the word bread in scripture, they they're not talking about people eating stuff. They're talking about spiritual sub sustenance coming from that all important spiritual connection that many of us, you know, have realized it's important to to seek. Um when it talks about crossing water for example, it's talking about the brain the the way the brain functions which historically they categorized as earth, water, air, fire, ether. So it's transcending levels of consciousness. So when you get the um uh Jew for example isn't you know some people that want to live in Israel or whatever it it it means people that seek enlightenment whereas a gentile is someone that you know believes there's nothing wrong with the sky you're all tinfall hats right so when the Jews cross the water it's talking about transcending a level of consciousness it's not talking about the Red Sea if if this makes sense. >> Absolutely. >> And one of the things I picked up from this is uh photons, packets of information encoded in light that come from the sun in in our world. uh they come at an angle to you which is why scripture refers to you know having this enlighten enlightening moment as seeing an angel >> which is just an allegory for no the information coming from source at an angle to to you to your >> uh hang on let me get this right to your pineal gland can then dictate to your pituitary gland how you act in life. So silly little example, you know, um if you Moses goes up on a mountain, Moses is the Old Testament pineal gland. Jesus is the New Testament pineal, right? So Moses goes on a mountain. Mountain is just allegory for accessing a place where you can be at one with what people call God, spirit, eternal energy. And it's only when you go there and be quiet that this information from source can come to you and then dictates your actions through your tree of life, your central nervous system. So silly example, you're having problem with the booze, you go quiet, you go to that high place and then the answers come to you that this is not a good behavior. It's costing you. it's costing your family, it's costing your health, etc., etc. And you go, "Ah, right." And your pituitary gland then dictates to your body, "Let's not do that anymore." So, literally, instead of going down the booze aisle in Tesco, you go down the healthy food aisle. This This is just a simp simplification of sort of how all this works. And so when you see them blocking out the light, whoa, >> exactly. >> These guys go back, you know, thousands upon thousands of years in their in their deception >> and they well understand that light is what we're all made up of and that it's crucially important. So that adds another angle. And the last thing I just wanted to say and sorry we'll we'll come back to you Ben is it doesn't even have to be the grand decept or the grand conspiracy that people make it out to be. Personally, I question why I see like seven airplanes literally at the same time going over Plymouth when we're not particularly on any sort of flight route. But that that's another thing again. It could be something in the jet fuel, you know, something as simple as a sodium like ingredient. I know sodium and metal don't are not a good not a good combination but um it could be something in the the emissions that these planes are giving that is sucking in the water from the from the atmosphere and creating this this uh this sort of blocker. So yes, >> yeah, >> far more to it. the fact that we're having this conversation. This isn't a conversation that's probably taking place in, you know, with with with many other people. >> Yeah. And the beautiful thing is, I mean, it's it's beautiful and slightly frustrating that all of this occult knowledge, the conversations will never be finished, right? It's like because it's hidden, the the BBC aren't going to come out one day and just be like, "Right, yeah, you were all right. This is exactly what was going on." on and then it's all settled, you know. Um, so we're going to be talking about it for years. Uh, if if we don't come to the conclusion that, you know, there are some things we'll never know and we can get on with our lives, you know, but um just to draw some parallels in what you were saying about uh, you know, Moses and the pineal and pituitary. Um, from my knowledge, the hypothalammus comes into that as well. It's called the golden triangle. the hypothalammus, pituitary and pineal. And the hypothalammus regulates all of the glands uh in the body. So once those that information is sent there uh then your whole body starts to regulate and then you'll find your digestive system getting better. That's another place where we're being attacked as well. Uh another place where we have neurons as well, right? The heart, the the digestive system and the head. Um, and it's definitely with this weapon, the the weapon as I call it. It's certainly aiming at shutting down our vision centers, you know, um, which I'll get into how that relates to this technology. But the technology is definitely just an abomination. It's a it's a bad imitation of all of the things that we have available when we align ourselves. You know, we we don't actually need the phones. We've just lost trust in our ability to communicate telepathically, you know. Um, we don't actually need the internet and the cloud. We've just lost our ability to tune into the accashic records as some people might call it. Uh, but the information that you said, you know, you go to the top of the mountain and you essentially are given uh knowledge, right? Uh, as long as you're aligning and listening. Um but yeah, just to draw another couple of parallels, uh the the teachings that I've been really diving into since my dark night of the soul where I was, you know, in a drug induced psychosis and suicidal and purposeless basically. Um I was picked up by the seek teachings and the guru you might say and very similar you know to the the word seek is actually just a learner somebody who wants to learn essentially and when you get into that uh kind of mode the lessons come you know and so we're in this world where because of the phones um people aren't that you know too preoccupied to really want to know more. Uh they just want to see what's on their feeds and that closes off the communication. Um, and I saw a amazing video the other day from a pastor um who he said he went to AI and said you know what would you do if you wanted to uh you know control humanity and the AI came back and said I would give them phones so they can't put their hands together in prayer you know and it was like wow that's incredible it makes a lot of sense so when you realize the nefarious uh purposes of these things you really can see past them and it does become very optimistic. You know, a lot of people they get caught in the quagmire of, you know, being blackpilled as I and many others call it, but where it's just like you're you're stuck in this kind of hell realm where the controllers have all the power and you're powerless and it's like that is the the weapon, you know, you've got to get through that bit and be like, "No, I'm the powerful one. I'm the author." you know, authority. Uh, who has the authority? I I have it, you know, I'm the writer. And, uh, once you get there, you end up with a confidence that people are scared by, um, and they either try and shoot you down with ad hominemum attacks and whatever. Um, or, uh, they think that you must be wrong and just sort of deluded in your confidence, you know. >> Um, >> absolutely. >> Yeah. It's I don't know if you saw this, but I climbed Everest in um May. >> Amazing. I did see. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I I'm one of these Ben. I'm I'm not there for the popcorn. Do you know what I mean? I'm I'm there to go and summit. That's it. There's no >> You didn't get a helicopter up, did you? [laughter] >> Would have made it that m believe it. Believe me, that would have made my life a lot easier. Um >> I bet. But no, I as well as just simply the fact that a positive mental attitude is going to get you way further in life than being being like, "Oh, the thing I hate with our footballers is when they're interviewed, you know, the England team, they're like, well, you know, if we get a bit of luck, if luck's on our side, you know, hope hope for that's like such a defeist attitude to go into anything. They should be there going, "Right, Argentina, we're going to smash them. >> Yeah, >> we're going to we and so just just simply adopting that mindset will get you so much more in life. But also I I you know this is probably going to lose people but I'd also connected with the universe and all the way up the trek to Mount Everest which is a 10day trek I just found myself just touching my pineal or or metaphor you um tokenistically and just feeling that absolute peace quiet >> with the universe and being grateful, you know, and I said, "Universe, you're going to let me up this mountain. In return, I'll pay back back for you." And um like you said, it does freak people out. I had people saying how how can you say that you're gonna summit? What about all these climbers that you you know these respected? I was like yeah but that's sort of like a different thing. Um I I will sum it. Just just watch me. I I will I will and it's not like a you know I mean there's a bit of ego in there obviously cuz um you know we live in the three-dimensional world but no it's just it's just knowing life and how to how how to tune into it and and conduct yourself. >> Yeah. I mean it it goes I I could go off on so many tangents with this subject, but will is like the most important word for sure that you said in that sentence, but capital W will, which is like God's will, you know, and to be [clears throat] willing is to be um confident, you know, that that's what you want. It's desire, right? And it's kind of a a paradox in that um it's not just what you want, it's it's what you feel, you know, and when you're aligned with what you feel and you have the will to undertake that action, whatever it is, you are unstoppable. Especially when you know that there's no such thing as failure. It's only a lesson. you know, if you didn't summit, you know, you'd only end up back a couple of pegs to safety or whatever in terms of Everest and um replanning um you know, and if your will is strong enough, then you are going to summit and you're not wrong, you know. Um so for people to see a problem in that um is really only their own uh lack of will and um that's why it becomes easier and easier to leave people behind so to speak. I don't you know I I do a lot for for others. I feel in service as well and there's always this service to others uh in things that I do. But at the same time, uh, you've got to be prepared to leave people behind when you're on a mission, let's say, you know, um, and not get held back with their rhetoric, for example. Um, >> well, yes, anyone that spoke up for truth and freedom during the scam vid, it knows exact knows exact ex, you know, lifelong friendships that just disintegrated like that. and and you it just left you with a question. Well, let's be honest, I'd never criticize a a mate. Certainly not publicly. Certainly wouldn't try [clears throat] and pull what whatever their beliefs were. I might send them a private message to say, "Hey, have you >> But the way people were so ready, >> people you'd known for like 20 years to come on your >> whatever it is, Facebook, and go, "Wow, you don't know." and you're like, "Whoa, dude. Dude, like I was on holiday with you in Spain 3 weeks ago." You know, it it's it's a big representation, I think, of where people are just massively lacking spiritually because we've never had any guidance and we've been brainwashed from primary school into this e ego body and that >> but um >> the other thing when when the first thing when you said uh occult knowledge or esoteric knowledge, the first thing that popped in my head is the war memorial. morials, they're all obelisks. And you know, whether you want to believe in this stuff or not, the the the history says, the facts say that that these structures are putting energy up into the ether, you know, into the grand scheme of things. And there you are with all the list of these poor, for the most part, young men, some of them kids that believed in that freaking lie. >> Yeah. >> And they went off for for this lot, who just manipulated the whole situation for their dark gain. And you've got the names of these people putting up that negative energy. Um I mean there must be a reason there were obelisks in ancient e Egypt, Babylon etc. and now we just you know we see them in Washington, we see them in London this you know there must be a re reason for that. And the other thing is at the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham >> when they do do you remember the the satanic ball the bal the this and they people running around it with shards of light which is a reference to Cabala and the tikum olum I believe it is you know this complete reconstruction of society and what a lot of people didn't know is on the head of The ball was written. Let me get this right. I think it was I I might have this slightly wrong. Apologies if I have, but it was the victims of one of the Birmingham pub bombings, >> which was allegedly by the IRA. I say that because after 911, if you believe official narratives that there's literally, you know, there's no hope for you. Um, you know, we we're we're talking deep state London here and you've got this whole audience in this, you know, this ampere, this energy going off over what essentially could be uh a satanic ritual, let's say, and mocking these people that that were the victims. of it. So, >> absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I love all of that uh area of [clears throat] of information is quite amazing. Obviously, the Tartarian stuff and old civilizations, alternative history, but I remember seeing a video that I've not been able to find again since, annoyingly, but um a bloke talking about monuments in Ireland. I think it was Dublin. um and how all of these different monuments, they were related to royals, of course, and they had these Egyptian kind of uh designs to them, um as obelisks usually do. And they all pointed back to Rome and it gave me a you know, the first thing that came to my mind was all roads lead to Rome isn't necessarily a physical thing only. You know, obviously uh you can tell where that came from in terms of physical roads, but these energetic streams uh of alignments of buildings which uh I'm sure you've seen, you know, really thoughtprovoking stuff, but the pictures and images of like a microchip next to a modern-day city from above and the the buildings are almost like capacitors storing energy. you go and go into your cell inside your office, you know, or like I was in the police station in a cell and you can be charged with battery in your cell, you know, it's it's insane the way that the language works. Um, but those it it's quite clear to me that the um amphitheaters and the stadiums and whatever are definitely energy capturing devices. And you've even got um the contracts that you sign to go into gyms. There are actually clauses in some of these gyms that talk about energy, you know, that your energy will be taken, you know, and you can imagine I I mean I even thought about this when I was doing my engineering degree. Could you create a gym where the work done by the people can be stored and what if they are doing that covertly you know and that all of our lives is essentially you know not a spiritual energy trap that you have to kind of understand on some uh other level but even on the physical level uh you know that we're our energy our input you know tax inflation money the the fake thing that is the money system and so it becomes quite obvious. Um, and like you said as well with these obelisks and strange uh strange aerials so to speak where we go and uh think about all that death of the Second World War and that can be transmitted over to to elsewhere. Um, it definitely paints this picture that the the civilizations like Rome are still here. uh that they're, you know, the Greek uh sort of columns that all seem to be ruins and so on. Uh it points to that it's actually just another realm, you know what I mean? >> Absolutely. Um I just flashed up a book cover there. Great book, folks. If you get a chance to read it, the Babylonian Wo. It talks about the inception of all this nonsense when money was just a system of exchange. you know, you paint my fence. If I can't paint your fence or give you a chicken, I can give you these cockal shells. And what that means is you can exchange them in any like area in this region, even even internationally, for the same uh unit of work, can you say? So, it was just a simple recognition of of of input. And then, of course, the Babylonian woe came around and went, "Hang on a sec. What if we start lending people cockal shells and and then when we claw them back they've got to you know if we give them 10 lend them 10 cockal shells they've got to pay back like 12 which we now know as interest. Okay. And then this system pervaded or invaded the government structures and the palaces and the um religious clergy etc etc who traditionally their job if you're a king your job is to look after your people and this is a great example in the in England at the moment you know the king is his job is to look after his people [snorts] and then this the Babylonian woe the money merchants, the money lenders crept in there and said, "Hey, King, you know, did you not know that your worth is actually uh relatable to the amount of gold you've got in your cellar, not not looking after your people. And the way that you accumulate this gold is through this money lending system that we've come up with. And this spreads to everybody, you know, celebrities, prime min, everybody's going for that gold in the cellar, thinking that that's going to give them a turn, you know, happiness in this in in this realm. And um yeah, it's and I think this Babylonian woe, these these money lenders, they move with the Roman Empire and they're advising the, you know, the the Roman senators and and and leaders that no, you know, you got to do it like this and let's invade that country cuz they've got a lot of gold and d and then when they pulled back, at least this is my understanding because empires never can continue. There will always get to a point where the resources they run out of resources to keep up this kind of you know battlefront and control. So the empire then pulls back to Rome. The money lenders have gone to Venice to continue their operation. Hence why you hear about the Venetians and the Italian families and this kind of thing. But in the place of this empire they've left behind this money system uzery money lending. In addition they've left behind their secret societies that that you know people in enlist in. In addition they've left behind a system of um what was originally spirituality and they've turned it into religion. So rather than understand the esoteric side of what this scriptur is trying to tell you, which is emancipation, set yourself free, they've now got people going to a building every Sunday, not really knowing why they're there, but just like kind of like wanting more out of life and wanting to be a better person and community. And I'm not saying that you don't get that from religion. And there's a lot of wonderful things that you you can get from Christianity, but I'm just saying that's not what it what it was. So they've left behind these mechanisms in place. So when they withdrew to Rome, it's still going on in the world today. Does that make sense? >> 100%. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we all have our ways of explaining it and we're all saying the same thing. It's amazing. you know with with me I found that uh Mark Pacio I think this is where it came from to some extent that you know left brain right brain and they've basically I say the big they uh they've kind of forced everybody into being entirely left brain you are only just thinking about things in terms of physicality and what's real like what can we feel as in like touch uh and sense when when [clears throat] you're pinned into that mode of thinking. You know, I'm from Cambridge and Cambridge University is very much a part of pinning everyone into the left brain. Uh you know, you've got Steven Hawking. Everything's a big accident. You know, that we're just flying through space on this ball and you know, it's all just by complete chance and we're lucky to be here because we're it's more likely that we'd all be dead basically. You know, it's very very dark really. And then you look at Darwin and his theory of evolution and it's all just like all a big cosmic accident and there's no creator. That's really the the main message, right? And so what it spawns is millions of people who think that, you know, basically we're we're lucky to be here and we need to stick together and, you know, basically just um make money and die. And it's it's very smart in that sense because you know what starts as a religious institution that was Cambridge University monks and whatever turns into them actually understanding psychology uh of humans that come to the church and then using those mechanisms to make science you know and that's one thing that became so obvious during co is that you had your >> scamid No, sorry. Yeah, I do try and retract that every time. It's horrendous when I say it. Uh, yeah, the scandmic orid. >> Just Ben, all it is is I am not going to just ratify what they did to us by using their terminology as though it's actually a thing. >> I'm mass I'm massive onto human health. I have been for, you know, a long time. I just literally knew from the start of that that's not how health works. You can chuck enough poison in your body all you like. >> It literally has no effect on nothing. What has an effect is eating a balanced pH diet which then makes you immune to all ill ill health. So >> sorry I just wanted to ch I'm not lecturing you Ben. I I >> It's very hard to sum up for the public when you're trying to talk about something that they all know as this name. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> But I try to like put my little slant on it and put the scam in there and uh >> Exactly. >> Sorry. Sorry, mate. You can please continue. >> Fine. It's something that I've also done uh to myself. I can't believe that it came out, but it also goes to show how powerful the subconscious programming of their tricks are, you know. Um, even with me who I'm quite aware of the words that are coming out of my mouth, um, I still make those mistakes. So, thanks for catching me anyway. >> No, no, no. Apologies. I I wasn't trying to be a dick. I just Not at all. Like, it's just it's an interesting one. >> But, yeah. So during this scandmic you see that you know we have these altars which are the TV and we have the priests which are those in the white coats and we have the uh anointment which is the vaccine and you know the rules the dogma and whatever and these are the people who consider themselves to be atheist who are following it you know so there's always this is how well they've got us figured out >> and we had the the jokers is dancing in hospitals. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's it. And it's all just part of a big play that's always playing. Uh which is, you know, we've got a perfect window of opportunity to awaken to the play and be a part of it yet be conscious of, you know, that we're the authors, right? And that's what you know the scandmic was actually a massive gift even though we've lost so many people or so many friendships and you know often uh we've lost people to illnesses as a result of all of the the disgusting behavior. Um but you know that's partially what's led me to do what I'm doing. um which is I've realized through all of these ancient texts and looking into them and whatever that the wars going on regardless of what you do. You know, you can go to the hills and become a monk and completely separate yourself from society, but the war is still going on. And anybody that gains a certain level of enlightenment in that always ends up crossing back over the river to go and get the others. You know, we're not free until we're all free. And um yeah, that's it. >> Yeah. And you you triggered something in me then when you talked about like the Richard Dawkins and the um >> uh God, his name escapes me. What what was the guy with the locked in syndrome? The >> uh what? Steven Hawkins. >> Steven Hawkins. Sorry if that's not the right terminology, but what we also have to remember is they all came to prominence through writing a book. And when you look at like I think Barnes and Noble, their address is 33 such and such street, New York. You start to see the esoterics in it. >> And then you look at um what was his name? Stephen King who was a penalist school teacher who wrote Shite and then one day he wrote this book called and he got rejections from all these companies. Then one day he wrote this you know satanic text called Carry about a possessed school kid or whatever it was and he's offered a $300,000 advance. And this was like 40 if not more years ago. That's the equivalent of being offered, you know, £3 million in modern parliament. >> And then you've got JK Rowling who struggled to write her book in a cafe on the back of napkins. And no, what you did is you wrote a book essentially about the occult that could get into children's minds. >> Yeah. and you became the biggest best-selling author ever. So, you know, let's not forget that that this cabal, they they own everything. >> And you know, these books that be become so popular um they become popular for a reason is what I'm saying. And then then they become a part of his, you know, a part of our lives and our and our daily being and our and our history. >> For sure. Um and yeah, just as it comes to mind, uh and sort of to bring things towards my case a little bit as well, uh you were saying earlier about your ability, uh during your Everest climb to ascend, uh not only, you know, physically, but ascended to uh in mind above the kind of physicality of the situation that you were in, the cold. Then I had to because I had to go down the mountain to hospital >> with acute mountain sickness. >> Wow. >> Uh I lost two if not two and a half stone in weight. But when I got back on the chopper to fly back up the base camp. >> Yeah. >> Folks, just so you don't get confused, I tked up to base camp the first time. Now I've got to save time because this expedition's underway. So I I flew back in and they laughed at me. The lads that weighed me in for the helicopter were all laughing because I I weighed less than all the females that they they ever checked in. That that's how ill ill I was. And you know, even that in mind, um I knew m mind you know where you are in your mind rule r rules the rules the day. Plus the fact I'd lost two stone in weight. That's a lot of weight not to have to carry up Everest. Do you know what I mean? It's not it's not not not necessarily a bad thing. So >> yeah, >> but um the I think the point I was trying to get at is when I was ill in that hospital where I actually went back to catmand do I got messages from people. I had a WhatsApp group set up and I specifically said guys I'm going through it at the minute. I am going to Summit Mount Everest. So, do not leave messages telling me to come home because I'm I'm focused now and I don't want to read that Oh, Chris, you've done so well. Come back. You know, you've got nothing to pro No, I didn't do it because I had anything to prove. >> I did it because it was a childhood dream. A 50year dream. I thought, you know, I want to give this a go and I want to stand on top there and you know what and and I was that um so I'm losing me train of thought here, but you know I was that sort of focus that like I had to put up with these all these messages Ben coming from everyone going oh come back you know come back to the UK and >> and uh >> yeah sorry I got a bit lost there in in in my thinking but uh >> that's fine. >> Yeah. Go. >> Yeah. I mean it's it's a great point and like the uh the constant pull of the masses uh is always there whenever you step onto your own path and you you actually start to uh you know really live the life that you desire. There's always going to be a pull. Family, friends, you know, partners, whatever. You know, this isn't the Ben that I knew kind of thing. You know, come back. you know, even when I stop drinking, you know, stop drinking, stop doing drugs, stop partying and whatever, it's like this pull of like, no, don't, you know, that's not the Ben that I know. And that's what we're kind of uh against. It's a it's a very kind of etheric energy, you know, but um that focus that you had and like the the realization that no one needs to understand why, you know, it brought me back to I did a 40-day fast a couple of years ago. >> Wow. >> And the very same thing, right? Prayer is like one of the most important things to get you through such a a thing. And for years I'd you know I'd felt this calling to do a long fast. And you know I know that it generally doesn't hurt people. It doesn't kill people. You know well say millions thousands of people do it every year. You know a lot of the time with a lot of healing benefits and so on. But the the pull that I was getting from everyone around me like no you're going to die you know uh you know you're just going to end yourself. It's a suicide mission and whatever. And I'm like, how do you block that out and also hold your own uh focus? And of course, it's the ascension and the prayer basically. Um because you do have to be in the world as well. You can't just, you know, most of us can't just lock ourselves away for 40 days. Uh I've got rent to pay and so on. Um so there's an element where you have to converse with others and they are going to not meaningfully but they're going to try and bring you down subconsciously and uh the same thing happened also in the cell when I was arrested recently you know um you've got to be in that cell tuning into because we do tune into people's thoughts especially when enough people are thinking it you know when it's the Olympic Games for example, so many people are tuned into it. It's difficult not to get that, you know, even just walking down the street. And I think that's where it links in with this 5G abomination, which is an imitation of what we have already. You're walking down the street walking through wireless data transfer. And it's no uh surprise that you've got so many people these days who are having really violent thoughts, you know, uh violent imagery in their brains. And you know, they're seeing all of this stuff. And it's like it's the internet, you know, we're we're tuning into it as we're walking around. And what you come to realize when you look into it is that we are nodes in this network. And the network and the the the hardware is capable of picking up on our emotions, our thoughts. Uh and because it's birectional, it can read and write. It can't only read our thoughts and emotions, but it can also write them as well. So, we've got to be spiritually focused to the extent where we can discern what thoughts are ours and what aren't. But of course this is always spoken about in the ancient texts as well. Uh in that before the terminology was just demons right and I've come to feel uh through looking into this stuff that the networks that uh we're building are just the physical channels for the unembodied. Yeah. It gets really quite deep when you look into it. And um these unembodied the the demons that can influence us so much they need the network to be able to travel and communicate right and so this is the legion that they speak of uh in the Bible right um yeah and you can see in society you know the degradation of people's behavior and whatnot is uh is so clear that I would say that all of it is actually not human you know humans Humans inherently are loving and peaceful and uh we've got this crazy scenario which seems to be right in parallel with the roll out of 5G technology. So yeah, if that gives you a bit of an intro into where I'm going with things, but yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It makes me think about the um the last days of Rome when I see what's going on at the moment. you know, in the last days of Rome, it got ridiculous, didn't it? You had was it the senators were marrying their horses um and and that was had to be deemed acceptable. And then you had the gladiators tearing each other apart in the ring. And and when I look at society at the moment, you've got people forced to accept that like a man is a woman and all this just totally unscientific reasoning that [laughter] that you sort of, you know, you're not supposed to argue with. And and then um when you look at what people are doing to their bodies, which is not a criticism, everyone's free to do, you know, what what what they want with their own body is not not a judgment call. But I remember I was on holiday recently and I was just looking at all these tourists with tattoos and I couldn't help but thinking and I've got a tattoo, you know, I'm ex-military. You most most of us have tattoos, but I just couldn't help thinking like you spent all that money on tattoos and they look really [laughter] They look awful. Like you're so much more beautiful if you didn't or handsome or whatever the case may be if you >> Yeah. >> And of course it's because we've all been sold into the material self. >> Yeah. >> You know, one more piercing is going to get me this thing that I'm looking for in life. And of course, you and I know that that you can have a thousand more pier piercings. All that's probably going to happen is you're going to get that more upset. >> Yeah. >> You know, or or feel more alienated. >> And certainly when you start doing stuff to your face, it it it's it it's a difficult it's a difficult one to discuss cuz like I say, I don't mean to upset anybody, but it it's like we've been sold down the river, Ben. you know, we we we've been told this Instagram culture of big tits and you know, >> yeah, >> whatever is just going to >> like somehow get us somewhere. And [sighs and gasps] >> something I've been talking about a lot recently actually, but um as you can see, I've got like an unshorn beard, right? And partially that's, you know, just being inspired by the the teachings of Siki or uh Sik teachings. >> Yeah. Um because our bodies are like organite if you know about that stuff you know. >> Absolutely. John talks about this. >> Yeah. It's like an antenna our hair and um basically when I started growing out my beard it was like a a kind of can you just be you naturally and take the judgment of other people who would otherwise shave their hair and remember that you actually don't give a crap what they think. you know, especially like when you're in your awakening process, you're like, "Okay, I've got to get used to not giving a what anyone else thinks." And it's like that became my my thing. It was like, "Can I walk around obviously different to everybody else, but just be like be me basically." And um the thing with the the face related stuff, you know, I'm sure you've seen about the septum thing in ladies and it it often points to kind of unworthiness and like just brings me so so much compassion, you know. Um but there's a really interesting thing I've been talking about recently, which is this new wave of rappers in uh in America who all have face tats, you know, it's a big thing. And um basically I I watched a short video which created this really long meditation for me thinking about all of the rappers and these face tats and it was saying basically that in the contract that say Sony Entertainment Records owns their image for let's say 70 years and so if that person dies the the contract's still going and so they've found different ways of, you know, carrying on the money making. Um, so if someone dies, you know, there's all this clone stuff that they talk about, but lookalikes and, uh, hologram tours, you know, there was a hologram tour of, um, Biggie and Tupac a few years ago, and it's like that's record labels making money off dead people, right? And this thing that I watched basically said that it's a defense mechanism to get a face tap because if you get, you know, unique markings all over your face that your fans will recognize, if you're ever replaced, they'll see it. And um it also then points to Michael Jackson as well. You know, he changed his whole, you know, pigmentation of his skin. And it's like if they reproduced him you you know I don't know exactly the the process but using his sperm for example they'd get a black baby and then they wouldn't be able to use that image right so there's all these you know I think the whole of what we've been shown is so different to what's actually going on that you know once you get to a certain threshold with this stuff you do start thinking this stuff which um you know a lot of people would be like wow That's speculative. Uh but no, it makes sense. You know, you see how much money is involved and and so on. So yeah, it's uh it's odd stuff, isn't it? >> Yeah. the whole the whole um aim of this dark cabal, whatever we're going to call it, and the people that go along with this is to just keep people trapped in their ego self, in the material self, and never ever having access to that spiritual component. Um and uh you know it it works and it is a thing. It is a thing cuz I went to IA recently. Oh boy, did the wheels start coming off the wagon within like 24 [laughter] hours. Yeah. And suddenly you'd start becoming this person that like you just never wanted to be. um because you've you've given the dark side access to your your psyche or your soul or whatever and it gets in there and >> by that you know it it doesn't have to be a holiday and I beer it could be your diet or your lack of exercise or your your gorging on this junk junk sort of tv and all these things are you know they're all put in place to keep you, you know, to keep you from finding the light basically. >> And that's actually what I realized during engineering as well, uh, you know, everything is engineered that if you look at the seven deadly sins or whatever in in Siki, they're known as the five thieves and it's basically, you know, greed, lust, ego, uh, those kinds of things. Uh, all of these things, food, drugs, which are basically the same thing anyway now. uh right and partying and you know the ego of social media they're all engineered to open those doorways which allow demons in you know that's essentially it um you know so if you become greedy then that gives a kind of edge that can be grabbed onto you know and opened up if you know what I mean so >> absolutely >> in all spiritual teachings it's about being present as in like not yearning for anything in in a sense, you know. Um because when you start to yearn for these material things, it it gives doorways and uh they get their crowbars in very effectively and wrench those doorways open. And uh you know when I was in my Dark Knight uh days where I was really you know on a downward trajectory on purpose, I'd made the decision to do that uh somewhere. Yeah. Um I I realized I just opened up all the doors and [clears throat] just let it let it come in. And it was quite a an important part of my journey in that it led to you know the rock bottom which then propelled me uh upwards into complete purpose. You know I haven't had more purp I don't think I could have any more purpose than where I am now. And uh that's what makes you know what makes it quite difficult for the for the police in my case as well is that um the men's ray or men's rhea which is the kind of intent of the mind when you undertake an action uh the the intention of my mind when disabling uh 5G systems for example uh is clear and it will never waver. you know, I'm so strong and steadfast in why I'm doing what I'm doing that they can't unravel it. And the the police and the judicial system and whatever, they're they're sorcerers and their whole job is to unravel your confidence and get you to start to doubt. And then in that doubt, they can change the intent behind your actions and then they can lock you up. Right? So, it's like you've got to really have a deep knowing knowing it's not just a belief, you know, I don't like the word belief ne generally speaking. Um, >> and what I would say about that is I have strong opinions weakly held, you know, so I'm very assertive with what I'm saying, but if somebody comes with a counterargument that's actually decent, I'm ready to drop it. Whereas most of society has weak opinions strongly held. you know, they can't hear somebody in the opposition because they're so dug in on their little opinion that they can't change. And I was wrong is the beginning of awakening, isn't it? >> Absolutely. Um, Ben, it sounds like you and I, we both had the the dark night of the soul, >> and I talk about this a lot in my channel and in my books. You know, I I specifically remember the seinal moment when everything changed for me when when I went from essentially going down to ah [sighs] I get it now. Well, I don't even think there was that much clarity. I just knew that this wasn't the way and that only I could change it. So, let's try this way. And you know, it it it let's just say it took me to a a better place where I was more equipped to deal with the negative influences in in life. Did you have a specific seinal moment where things changed? >> Absolutely. Yeah. And you know, fortunately, we'll remember those moments for the rest of our days, right? Like, I don't think we're all supposed to completely live in that spiritual realm. And I think that there are these windows, sometimes very, very short, these windows of opportunity for us to see that connection, uh, which stay they're so moving that they stay with us forever. And I think that's part of the design, which is that you're having a human experience. You know, you're a spirit having a human experience, but I'll show you this little window just to remind you of where you've come from so you can take that with you for for the rest of your days, you know. And that's what definitely happened with me, you know. I drove myself down to rock bottom uh intentionally really. It was like, you know, the purposelessness. Let's see how far we can take this, you know, drug taking and whatever. Let's see where it goes. You know, how bad can it get? You know, I was already aware that it was making my life worse, but just I'm 120% or nothing kind of person. So, that day where I seriously considered suicide is a day that could have changed or ch it would have changed my life either way. You're right. Um, but I chose to surrender. Um, you know, I roamed and rambled in the 10 directions, you know, like tried this and that and the other. And the the realization is that I was trying, right? Um, and they say fight or flight, but they never give you the third path, which is surrender, you know, and that's actually the ticket. That's the the way out in if you're in those kinds of scenarios. And so I surrendered. Um I very much come from a family that had renounced especially mainstream religion but along with it thrown out the baby with the bathwater and thrown out kind of spirituality as well to a great extent. And I think that was part of the plan, you know, with the Catholic Church being so openly abusive in many cases and whatever, uh, was to have people ignore their connection, uh, you know, to the spiritual. And, um, so coming from this family where we never really spoke about this stuff to suddenly like I'm at rock bottom and I'm going to get on my knees and pray because that's all there is left, right? And at that very moment it started flooding in. I was taken from underneath my armpits and lifted up off the floor and shown you know what to start doing. And it was through yoga and meditation but especially breathing uh you know the simple things take away got to take away all of the complicated stuff. You know the we we all get caught in these traps and cycles of like these supplements and drugs and I take this to do that this and that to do that but you can't sit and breathe for you know even 10 minutes each day you know and uh being 120% or nothing kind of person I took heed of that message you know that something was guiding me teaching me uh how to be a better person and I did as I was told you know so it's a funny thing with freedom which freedom doesn't come without rules and in the same sense like you're not going to get anywhere without having a a teacher you're going to have to give up to something you know and the communication that I was having from that point was uh all about my own healing and you know getting back to who I really am and so I took heed and listened every step of the way, you know, with very with a lot of discipline as well. Um because I'd realized how low I'd got to and it was like, right, if I'm going to turn this round, it's got to be a proper effort, you know. Um so I was, you know, for about 3 years, 2 and 1/2 hours of yoga and meditation and chanting and whatever every single morning, waking up at 4:50, I'd be on my map by 5:30. uh cold showers, fasting, you know, just trying everything. And uh I'm pretty glad to say that I'm at a point now that uh I'm I'm stable. You know, there's still always work to do and that's why I'm being careful with my words. You know, uh there's still always work to do. Modesty is uh you know, important. Humility throughout your journey. Um, never say you're there cuz the problem with with there is that there's no there there, you know. >> Yes. It's an ongoing process. >> Yeah. >> So, Ben, listen. I I'm really glad our chat has gone this way, mate, cuz um not just has it been fascinating, but this is like where it's at really. And this is what you know, everything else comes secondary to understanding these essential concepts and ways of being that uh keep us locked, you know, locked into our material selves. But you came on the show to talk about this technology and I don't think we need to go into it in too deep a depth now, otherwise we're going to be here forever. But um >> what what's the thing then with all these you know all this tech that we see appearing on the streets? >> Um yeah well I mean I'll try and put it in a nutshell which will probably take us uh to the end of the show but um I could talk about it for for days. There's so much about it that is uh you know an abomination completely illegal and there's corruption about this left right and center the more the more that the authorities open their mouth the more they criminalize themselves as far as I can see at the moment as you can see in so many areas but basically uh you know we had the ulles the the blade runners who really brought action to their local environment And seemingly it started as um you know this understanding that it was a financial weapon. You know the the ULE cameras people that lived on those outskirts of London where it's like oh okay so I've been living this life for 30 years driving about and now all of a sudden it's going to cost me 10 grand extra a year just cuz I live on the the cusp of this thing. and uh the government always seem to just sort of forget about the people that they're affecting so to speak, right? And so you've got some people who have mountains of ul fines that they're not paying, you know, and then there's other people who are going out and taking action by chopping the things down cuz they know that they're unlawful and they have there hasn't been any public consultation. And they really are legends. They're close to my heart. who whoever they are, you know, anonymous or out in the open like Matt Hardy. It's like, you know, they were the trailblazers, they said no. You know, the more people say no, the easier it gets for all of us, right? And anyway, during this scandmic, we all obviously became uh aware of, you know, that 5G masks were being put up overnight. We never saw them being put up. They were just there. Then we see the uh lamp posts changing to these LEDs without any diffusers that hurt people's eyes and so on. All put up overnight just there. And then [clears throat] I was looking into Mark Steele's work. Uh absolute legend in the game. I don't know where he finds all the time to to bring out all this information. But then through that doing my own research into the same things and finding these radar systems um in London there is a system called fusion which is a battlefield uh you know military developed system and it's basically a fusion of infrared radar facial recognition and it's a target acquisition system. Um there's a company called well Seamans which is uh attached to Unix and basically it all became real when I started to see it on my doorstep. You know they always say you know the the enemy at the gates uh you know you can sort of put it off until it's knocking on your door. And I was watching the the Blade Runners, listening to Mark Steel, watching the the 5G monopoles and towers going up. So, it's clear it's happening. But then the moment changed when I went for a walk with the dog and we cross over a crossing and there's four units of radar all just facing me. And having done the research, knowing that radar is a known carcinogen by military documents dating back, you know, nearly a hundred years now, um I was like, right, this is this is it. This is my line in the sand. And uh so I started to look into it more and more. Um found that it's not just cancer, but it's heart attacks, strokes, and a plethora of other illnesses that come from pointing radar at people. Um, I mean it's known in a military scenario that you don't point radar at people unless on the battlefield. And radar is like really it wins wars, right? If you can get the information of where people are without them knowing, you know, then you're at an advantage. So then radar jamming becomes the primary uh thing. So radar and radar jamming are two really developed uh you know parts of the military battlefield. And so here we are all of a sudden we've got radar pointing straight at pedestrians, cyclists, dogs, cars, everyone. And um it is a very effective uh target acquisition system which would work very well for a social credit system, right? Um, not only can it pick up on they use the 24 ghahertz range on these AGD systems units that we will all know around our areas. Like your viewers are probably privy to some of this. But if you go and look at pedestrian crossings, you'll see these little boxes put on top. Very recent additions. Uh they've got a little red light. Look very in inconspicuous. It's part of the the idea. And um they work on the 24 ghahertz uh frequency uh right and what that does is it's so sensitive that it can sense your skin when your heart's beating. And so they're able to see your heart rate. And this is one of these simple things that you don't [snorts] need to be too technically minded to to get it. If it can see your heart rate, where's that information going? you know GDPR it's a important uh set of rules in our country about data protection. So who knows about my heart rate where's it going? So imagine in London you've got 10,000 junctions. Each one of those junctions has let's say between five and 10 of these units on that's 50 to 100,000 of these units. Uh they're able to pick out about 16 targets all at once each. So you've got 50 to 100,000 times 16. It's like 1.6 million people can be tracked at any one time. You're not going to have a person on a computer doing, you know, looking into all of this data, right? It's the data centers. So everything when you start to join it all together, you see where it's going. The data centers are going to be crunching all of these numbers. Uh the radar can also pick up not only on your heart but on MAC addresses in your phone um you know IP addresses and that kind of thing. This fusion system you've got facial recognition so they can triangulate different methods of identification to ensure that that target is who they're talking about. And what this creates is a system where everybody can be identified and by their social credit, let's say, you know, if you're a dissident like me, it ain't looking good, right? They they not only see who you are, but they'll link that to all of the things that you say and all of the memes that you post and so on. um and they create a profile on you or what's called a digital twin which is by their documentation not me making up a term right that we all will have a digital twin going forwards and like I mentioned earlier it's birectional so this technology doesn't only send it also receives it doesn't only read it writes so if it can read your heart rate and it has a capacitor in it that can pulse >> [clears throat] >> radar microwaves at you then it can also create arrhythmia in your heart as well. So radar on its own is damaging to the heart. But if you add in a capacitor, it doesn't need to be high voltage. Uh that's basically pulsing waves at your heart, you can create heart attacks, you can create strokes, you can create cancer and so on because Sorry. >> Yeah. So I just want to chip in because I don't get a chance to chat this kind of stuff with many people because I I don't like meet that many people in daily meet I meet most of my people online the the these days. Um, >> yeah, >> I think the website is Grinder, folks, if you're [laughter] I don't even know if that's the joke that I meant it to be, but um, but no, Rick Male, you know, >> absolutely beloved comedian and actor >> uh, in in British society. And then he brought out that that film or at least he starred in it. I think it was called One by One. >> He wrote it, I think. >> Yeah. And it's this kind of, you know, people that were realizing we're heading for this kind of dystopian future of social control and yada yada yada. And there was that classic scene in it where he stacked up the Jenga bricks and he was trying to get it across to the layman about September the 11th >> and he's saying look if I take a brick out of this side and this the towers always fall to the side and I remember thinking this is a seinal moment because let's be honest which other celebrities have ever come out and talked about this. And even as I sitting now racking my brain, I think there was Charlie Sheen back in the day who now has got his, you know, Netflix special. So he's, I would say he's clearly been brought back into the, you know, the the ego fold. But no, there was no no nobody just there just just Rick Male there stand alone and yet he's probably arguably one of the most popular characters in the country. So if he's talking about it now in a film, what is to come? M >> you know he he it can't go away and he can't shut up about it simply because if he came on a podcast like this he'd be like Rick tell us about you know what happened on that fateful day and I genuinely believe well I mean I you know don't believe anything but but I I would genuinely consider that he had to be taken out the game because he was just a thorn in an otherwise um what what's the word I'm looking for? You know, in an otherwise like seamless narrative that this happened on this day and yet the most popular person in in England is going, "Nope, we don't believe that bullshit." And he's like alone. There's there's no everyone else BBC whatever they have to go along with a narrative that's their role >> otherwise they're you know they don't get a job anymore. >> I think he got to that point where like he didn't need the money >> um or the adoration or what he just wanted the truth. >> Yeah. >> And of course he's going out for a jog and dies of a heart attack. >> Yeah. Um, >> that's it. >> Yeah. And the suggestion was that he'd been subjected to some type of weapon >> that, >> you know, makes your heart go splodge. >> Yeah. It's interesting to have brought him up as well cuz I don't know if you've seen that like one of his last videos and it was it's kind of really paradoxical when you actually look at it, but it's him like backstage off camera so to speak and uh he's smoking a cigarette and he takes it out and he goes uh to the camera he says you there the other side of the TV destroy your television sets now. you don't know who's pulling the strings, making you see these things, right? Something along those lines. And um that was like one of the last videos that he made. But then it brings up this question of like, but I'm seeing this through a screen and you're you're telling me to not trust what's happening through the screen. And you know, really eventually it just brings you back to trusting in your internal. You know, if you don't go within, you go without. And it's also a more refined version of idolatry. You know, we look at these conspiracy legends and we can be like, "Wow, you know, that that bloke was incredible." But still, we have to be brought back to, you know, our internal experience. And he definitely is remarkable and his death certainly was uh either ritualistic or let's say a trophy. uh the conspiracy theorist's ultimate trophy, which is that I was right all along, you know, to the extent that they needed to ex me out for it, you know. Um >> yeah, I I listened to Aid Edmonson's uh memoir fairly recently. I don't know if it's when I was on Everest or whatever. And great great book to listen to. There's a lot of these memoir. I find all these memoirs really good to listen to. But when he got to like Rick's death, he just sort of like glossed glossed over it, you know, well, we lost Rick and Y. And I was just left thinking, well, two things. Like, are you genuinely not aware that he made that film and then suspiciously died fairly soon after it? And two, like where's the loyalty in this life? Because if I wrote a memoir and you, Ben, had been taken out by some, you know, cabal radar system or laser weap, you'd be in there. Do you know what I mean? I'd be I'd be like, I met this lovely bloke called Ben >> suspiciously. A week later, he died while he was out jogging. And I would suggest it's it's >> and I had this chat with, you know, a friend of mine. Oh, no, no, Chris. It was just his memoir about I'm like, yeah, that's easy to say, you know, that's that's just like if he's your mate that you worked with for 20 or 30 years, would you you'd certainly be aware of the films he'd done? >> Yeah. >> And and and [gasps] ah I'm I'm not trying to suggest anything because I don't know Aid Edmonson. I know my some of my family members have met him. Um, so I'm not suggesting anything. He might be totally blissfully unaware, but >> I think yeah, the Sorry, sorry to interrupt, but the the importance with all of this weaponry in the fifth generation battlefield that we're in, it's all about plausible deniability cuz it leaves everything just down to mystery enough that the masses generally won't believe you, you know? And that's the the beauty of it, you know, even with the jabs, like the the narrative was that everybody who's had them is going to die and people's imagination was that it was all going to happen really quickly. But, you know, the illness and stuff is happening in such a way where people still can't see that it's really, really not good for them, right? And I would suggest that the same thing may be the case with this uh weapon system that's come out. You know, the AI will be advanced enough to know when uh you know, public rhetoric is reaching a point where they're on to us, right? and then tone down the rate of illness or death until that public uh you know sort of outrage goes. Uh it makes a lot of sense when you look at it that way. Um or it will just be simply powerful enough to you know the plan being that it would just take a lot of people out very quickly. Um but either way it's against us and that's why we need to take action simply. Do you think a lot of these uh I refer to it on my show as the medical procedures? >> Yeah. >> Because I think everyone knows what we're talking about. Um >> Yeah. Do you think they put in a good load of placebo simply because if everybody and let's be honest what was it like 80% of the population I think went along with this >> you know if 80% of the population suddenly killed over or came down with these turbos and all this other stuff. >> Yeah. And this is, you know, like a friend of mine in in the Marines. Really fit guy, you know, he he was a nice guy. And then suddenly he he he he had three heart attacks in the space of like three days and then died. And >> wow. And I was looking at, you know, the Facebook feeds. And I know Facebook's not like the appropriate place to necessarily bring up, but like not one person there went, "Oh, I hope this wasn't to do with uh, you know, yeah, with with with the thing." And so I'm just wondering do you think like many of those procedures were placebo like it's saline solution or something simply because if everybody started it it would be so blatantly obvious. >> Yeah. I mean it makes sense to me you know being of a scientific background and you know having been taught how to do scientific testing it makes sense that you would have different cohorts. Um I mean it's a very deep subject but if you've seen the documentary Payload uh that shows you know this lipid nano particles the lipids is basically just like a an encapsulation you know the the other time that we use that term is well yeah with fats. So fat in the body usually creates a lipid around toxins. So when you fast, your body burns through the fat and then often you'll get toxic flushes of toxins that have been stored. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. >> So that's when you have those ill days or tired days when you're fasting is when you've just had a toxic flush and you got to get it out of you. That's the whole idea. Um and that's not necessarily that pleasant. It also explains the flu uh every year. It's just sort of like a a detoxification. you know, we don't need more toxins shoved in our arms, you know. Anyway, um what I would say is that this idea of lipid nano particles is just about control because like you say, if if everybody that had one died, then we would wake up. Yeah. So, there are several mechanisms that you can employ. One of which is, you know, you can give some saline and some the actual thing. Some could be a soft kill, some could be a hard kill. You know, you've got people that are getting heart attacks out of nowhere and then you've got people who are getting autoimmune disorders which will keep them, you know, a customer for life and then you've got turbo cancers and things in between. All of these things on the the FISA documents, right? So, I'm not talking speculation. Um, but so you've got various different tests going on all at once, but one of the main ones is is how does what's been uh, you know, administered to people link in with the equipment that's happening or that's being rolled out on the streets. As once again, I refer to it as the weapon. It's not jabs and a traffic system that's actually a weapon. It's both. And when you realize with the magnet testing and stuff that people do have stable antennas in their bodies from the lanthnanides, the highly um conductive and often highly magnetic uh you know substances that have been injected into them, then you start to realize that the network includes bodies. It's the the internet of bodies, right? And that's why you would point radar at people is because up until very recently the internet was a different thing. So the internet was its network and we just sort of interfaced with it whenever we sat at a computer. But now we're within it. You know the radar is facing us because it's taking our data creating this digital twin and putting us inside it. And so I would [clears throat] say that the jabs were a definite prerequisite because uh in many cases and not all because there were saline solutions I'm sure um but it gave the internal substrate through which the network interfaces >> yes >> and that's also to be said for the chemtrails as well and you know just to bring it way back full circle to when we started talking about chemtrails at the beginning. I did a video two years ago scraping a vevel window of my house uh of the house that I'm living in and I scraped the window and as I'm scraping it the the material that I'm scraping looks ferrris but I it was obviously a test. I took a neodyinium magnet and all of the dirt in inverted commas that I scraped off this window. Every bit of it stuck to the magnet. It wasn't just part of it and it left dirt behind. It was like the whole thing. And I posted it 2 years ago on my little Telegram channel. And recently, I don't know how it ended up in his hands, but um I forget his name now. Um [clears throat] ah jeez, it will come to me anyway. Uh an MP posted that video and it went viral. >> Andrew Bridgen. >> Bridgen. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. So he posted that video and it you know the internet's amazing. It things just end up doing the rounds somehow and and whatever. But a friend messaged me and goes, "Your videos on Andrew Bridgen's Twitter." I'm like, "What on earth's going on?" And uh yeah, it was basically, you know, that there's metallic particles uh everywhere. We're breathing them in constantly. And to me, yes, they're going to be carcinogenic. Yes, they're not going to be good for the body and the health. But knowing that we are electromagnetic beings uh and that there's this electromagnetic system which is you know trying to suck us in to this uh black hole black cube you know data center thing. Uh it became quite obvious. It explains everything you know. The deeper you go into this stuff the more obvious the weapon becomes you know. >> Yeah. It's like it's like they want this holographic holistic kind of control network where people actually become a part of of this grid. Totally understandable, totally controllable. Um, I saw your video and the first thing I did is I got my credit card and I went out to my car and I I scraped the windscreen and I came back um with all these black particles which actually looked they look like the iron filings that you had in in in you know that on on a minuscule sort of level. >> Yeah. [snorts] And then I've got these uh magnets because I've got a whiteboard over here that you can stick stuff to with these. What are they called? Ridium magodinium. >> Yeah, I think it's those ones. >> Yeah. >> And um I'm thinking this is not going to work. This is this is some internet. And lo and behold, it picked them all up. >> Yeah, that's it. And then I I went on a website and it did say 100% you know transparency here that it's to do with the catalytic converters in cars. Uh this is where I withdraw from this convers from this uh you know point of reasoning because I I was like I don't necessarily believe that. On the other hand, you don't all always want to be a, you know, tinfoil hat. >> But either way, you know, either way, it's engineered, right? >> Either way, it's not healthy. >> Yeah. I mean, the thing is, I'll I'll put my neck out for you. It's not catalytic converters. You know, they're trying to get rid of cars, and that's what most of this traffic system is actually about, right? They're they're shutting down. I mean, my city of Cambridge, there's a basically a lobbying group called Cam Cycle who basically it's their mission to turn the whole city into a pedestrianized zone and they're closing down major roads that go over, you know, bridges. And, you know, if you're a military man, you know about closing down bridges. You know, that's it's old school tactics, right? to restrict people's movement and control scenarios. And there are three bridges which you used to be able to cross over in your car over the railway bridge. Um they've closed the middle one which has forced all the traffic to the other two. At least one of them is usually under construction. So the whole city with one fairly simple movement has been shut down for cars. You know, huge cues. It's been not so bad really since uh you know in the last year or so. But either way, putting in all of this infrastructure has been closing down roads. It's an attack on cars because you know essentially the whole green agenda has been found to be essentially based in uh eugenics. You know uh the whole net zero thing. It's so antihuman. Um because we are the carbon that they wish to uh stop, you know, and um I think it's actually got to the point where we have enough evidence to start arresting uh the officials, the government officials who are pushing this narrative, you know. Um, and I actually had a conversation with the detective in my case only the other day where I said, you know, you're not looking into the crimes that I'm bringing to the table. You're investigating me and nothing of the weapons which I've given you plentiful evidence for. Um, so at what point when the police aren't doing their job do we get together and start making arrests and we'll just pass you the bundles of information and we'll pass you the government officials, you know, and he didn't want to answer that question, of course. Um, but I think it's getting there, you know, like uh those of us that see this uh it's not just a belief system. And this is this is real stuff and I've got all the documents to prove it from their mouths, not mine, you know. And so regarding, you know, it's very uh diplomatic how you put it. It's it pays to say I don't know, you know, it could be that it's catalytic converters and so on, but um the truth is is that it's there. And whether it's catalytic converters or aircraft, you would have thought we're technologically advanced enough to engineer that not happening. >> Yeah, of course. And also, I should give this book a shout out. >> This is from my wonderful friend Mike McCarthy, who's former elite forces, served in the Falklands. He's now on a mission for truth. Uh he's going to be on the show uh very shortly folks again. But he said, "Chris, you got to read this uh book Blip." Now, for all you readers out there, you don't actually have to read it because you can see the front cover. And what it's essentially saying is um here was 3 million years ago. Here was 1750 the inception I guess of the industrial revolution and that is how much of the world's resources are being used and in 2050 there won't be anymore right and what I think is possibly happening here is these satanic parasites aren't stupid. They know that to sustain a global population of I don't know what do they call us useless eaters, you know, the great unwashed, it it it it's going to use up all the world's resources. You know, at the moment you've got people putting photos on their Facebook using AI of someone that's, you know, fairly obscure, which is fine. That's a great place to be. But suddenly they want to be a hero by putting themsel on Facebook, I don't know, you know, skydiving from 80,000 ft with with six blonde chicks beside them. Apologies for the use of the word chicks, girls, but you get what I'm saying. And I'm thinking, dude, do you know the damage that these centers are causing the these, you know, data centers? They're destroying communities. They use a huge amount of of of resources to to power them. The pollution that must come out them. and you're solely using that to put a picture on Facebook, you don't know where the future's heading, do you? And I I think on that line with respect to the the book Blip, um I wonder if these you know this parasit these parasitic uh I hesitate to use the word controllers, but you you we know you know the dark ones whether they're just thinking look it's all coming to an end these natural resources it it can't there's only so much lithium we can invade Afghanistan for, you know, there's only so much cobalt or whatever we can exploit 5-year-old kids in the Congo for or wherever it might be. You know, it's not it's finite. It's not infinite. And there will come a time where it's not that these resources aren't in the planet. It's the fact that the resources needed to extract it far outweigh our capability. It just becomes unpredict uh unproductive. Um, so yeah, I think that is a reason alone why if you wanted to have your cushy cabal living on the planet, you know, Epstein style or whatever that you don't want like masses of great unwashed. you you need you you're going to have to start getting rid of them, you know, and what better way to do it through a health solution that actually isn't a health solution. It's it's the it's not just the complete opposite, but it might even have ramifications for, >> you know, for your offspring and generations to come. >> For sure. Yeah. I mean, there's um a document I it may be the lockstep document. I I can't remember exactly the one but um it was Rockefeller either. Uh yeah, it was definitely Rockefeller and um basically it said we will make them sick through many means and when they come to us and our institutions for um health and remedy we will make them sicker again. And you know, it was just showing the the level of disdain, right? And um the beautiful thing is I love to to kind of end on on positives with this stuff. The beautiful thing is is that they've messed up their their game. Uh you know, we've become wise to it too quickly uh for them. And uh we are beings of light that have control of our environment and we've figured that out as well. You know, the magic spells aren't working on us. uh as easily because of podcasts and our use of the internet and their tools. And um so when I say that the networks are actually just you know uh networks or channels for demons to roam that is partially true but it's also up to us to fill it with light you know and uh that's why I love you know people like yourself who you know it's hard work putting on a podcast and you know the the quagmire you have to go through of not having followers at the beginning and most people don't make it through that you know but it's bringing light into these channels into the network and uh it's flipping the script and flipping the tables and you know it's noble stuff so but yeah I would say it really comes down to a fundamental difference in uh in being in the reason of being and these eugenicists I feel that their end goal is that heaven on earth is to have no consciousness whatsoever, you know, just to eradicate all of it and we'll just be in this black dead, you know, realm where nothing's happening. And those of us who have really woken up to the the fact that we are light and that we're uh, you know, able to create heaven in this place, we realize that it's the opposite. You know, to bring more consciousness and more light and whatever is really the end goal. these seemingly opposing dualistic forces [snorts] um actually don't exist because darkness is just the absence of light you know and so it seems like there's two things fighting against each other but the more conscious we become the more it disappears and I think that's what they're throwing all of their toys out of the pram for currently you know what what are seen as global issues which, you know, humanity seems to be at a very low point when you look at it in this Cambridge University, you know, we're all in a big accident thing, uh, is actually just the dark forces having a tantrum because they're realizing that they've lost control and that's the ultimate kind of optimistic conclusion to what's happening. So, it's also a kind of call to action. You know, the ship's on the way down. We might as well uh help it on its way, you know. >> Absolutely, Ben. There was so much stuff we were going to talk about. Like, I totally get that. I think if we go on too long, people are >> going to look at this video and go, "Oh, I can't I haven't got three hours to watch a video, Chris. Sorry. I I'll give this a miss." And that's a shame. So, I suggest what we bring it to an end here. M >> uh but this is the conversation I've been looking forward to for so long is very few people you you can you know chat with on this with this I don't want to say on this level but like with this understanding so please come back on the show Ben >> what um what about this tour of the UK that I've seen you want to mention that Yeah, for sure. Um, so basically, interestingly, the second arrest that uh I had, the the detective who was in charge of the case said, "Can you please find some other way of raising awareness uh instead of destroying all of this uh this equipment?" I'm like, "What the weapons?" Um, and he said, "Yeah." So, can you go out with this curfew and uh find some other way of raising awareness? So I said, "All right, well the curfew I'm going to ignore and I'm going to go and do a national tour just to teach people how to take action for themselves cuz obviously I'm there's only me and a few others. We can't do the whole country. Um so teach people locally." And so we've been in Southwest and Wales uh recently and we're going out for another couple of weeks of tour. Um over the coming days we're going to be in well basically the Midlands and the South Sussex and around that area. Um if you want to organize a talk or if you want to find out where they are, come into my Telegram group. It's probably the easiest way to to get into contact. It's t me sltrust the silence. So not trust the science but the silence. Yeah, we'll put a link for that below this video, Ben, and also for your YouTube because, dude, you deserve way more f I know how difficult it is in this game, but you know, the more people need to hear and I'm sure there'd be they'd welcome knowing how to access your your understanding and your knowledge. So, we'll put that l that link below. >> Perfect. Amazing. And yeah, um, big respect to my, uh, filmmaker friend Chris Paradox, who made all of my YouTube videos. We had a chat shortly after my arrest and we both realized mid conversation, this is why we know each other. You know, you're a video maker and I've just done what I've done and, you know, created a few of the videos which I think you've seen. So, yeah. >> Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much for having me on, >> mate. Pleasure is all mine. Let's just say a quick mention to Katherine, our mutual acquaintance who hooked us up, who I know has been going through her own battles cuz I believe she was just arrested. Um, you know, she's coming up for her 80s now. I hope she doesn't mind me saying that. >> Um, and her husband likewise, >> some age around around that age. Um, >> she's 65. He's 75. >> Okay. Yes. I knew one of them was was, >> you know, a certain age where you'd expect more respect than being dragged away by the by the police, you know. >> Absolutely. >> But, uh, thanks, Katherine, for for hooking us up. Ben, welcome on the show anytime, mate. In fact, that's an invitation. I can't wait to pick this up again. >> Um, keep doing what you're doing >> along with everybody else out there. friends. We'll put Ben's links below. Can I just ask you because I have to do this. Like and subscribe. Literally, I think something like 83% of people that watch this channel aren't subscribed. So, you're not getting updated on what we're talking about, you know, whatever it might be. So, if you can like and subscribe, that would be awesome. And um that's it, Ben. Massive thank you again. Stay on the line. Just so I can thank you properly, I'm just going to play us out here. Uh, go steady, folks. Don't believe the hype. Much love. >> Absolutely. >> Truth with things that are not real. [music] And I really want us to be real with [music and singing] love. Love that last in the past. I messed