Why ALL Content Houses Fail: Jealousy, Greed, Bankruptcy

I'm so bad with money I'm like the worst person to give advice where's all your money allocated percentage wise uh I'd say like 50% crypto I made 20 bought the chain made another 20 bought a cat that was a bad $220,000 cat two why cuz you have $40,000 in cats hype house is a net negative really absolutely it has lost me so much money some of Tik to's biggest stars are now roommates it's a Content house it'd be like living in a movie set I lost hundreds of thousands of dollars on that house five legal disputes in three years it has lost me so much money so you probably heard of Charlie and Dixie deelo Addison Ray and all the other millionaire Tik Tok stars that have recently transformed into mainstream celebrities however behind all of that attention is someone you might not have heard of and that would be Thomas Petri here is his unbelievable story and how anyone could make millions of dollars online as soon as you subscribe if you haven't done that already well thank you so much for coming on thanks for having this is cool because I remember just like the come up of like hearing about the hype house everything during Co just like spiked through the roof of like Tik Tok social media you were in it a whole bunch and I hear that you were an entrepreneur starting from the age of like 11 or 12 yeah yeah so I've I've been didn't have the greatest upbringing sorry um but I always had I feel like I'm sure that as entrepreneurs yourselves you know that it's it's like a disease that you can't shake like I was just that kid in Middle School who would just like order stuff on Alibaba and flip it and sell it and like anything I could do I sat out front of um I used the first way I made money was like I would work for my grandparents on the weekend CU we did farmers market so I'd be in the factory jarring olives I'd be like kneed deep in Honey like jarring it for us on the weekends and I would make like $30 working for 12 hours for my grandfather like it was like terrible terrible wages but I didn't know that when you're 12 and you're working in a fact like you don't really know that but I'm like forever grateful cuz he he taught me like hard work and real work ethic honey honey olive garlic getting the honey you remember the honey you ever used to like those the honey sticks and farm I love those I love those U but we did we did uh garlic which would have like red bell pepper flakes like all this stuff my grandfather would help us make it but he was from Greece so he's an immigrant and he came over here and just like they started doing produce at the farmers markets then eventually he started this thing called Petr foods which is our last name and it it's not around anymore but when I was a kid it was the way I first started getting into working and making money and then I would save up for weeks and I would go to Foot Lockers and I would stay up until 6:00 in the morning before school and I would be like camping outside of full Locker you know did you guys know that people used to do that for sneakers so when there would be sneaker drops like before goat and all these reseller apps you would go and wait in line so I'd be like a 13-year-old kid in line with all these 30-year-old dudes camping out for. you'd sleep at the store and you'd wait for it to open first so you could get is that dangerous I mean I'm sure it was but like I was just hustling so I would wait what your parents thinking of that well 13 years shouldn't you be like in school home school yeah yeah I will well I had a interesting upbringing um but my mom and dad separated young they both made their mistakes I I don't really talk about their life story I just try to talk about their impact on me because I just feel like everyone's story is their own and when you have a rough upbringing it's not your place to to tell your parents story like that's how I stick by that given that I was a lot closer to my grandparents and like I went back and forth I lived in like 14 different places before I graduated high school so like I was I was very very independent at a very young age so I started learning how money worked and how to buy food and groceries and all that type of stuff and like my mom always had a roof over my head which I'm forever grateful for but there was a lot of times where I was alone so I just had to like make it work regardless so they they weren't very Hands-On so like I got myself through school got myself like everything I did was on my own so like that's that's just like yeah it was it was rough but I try not to talk about the bad parts because I don't want my parents to sound bad I love them I know they tried their best but when they separate when you're four and then your M my mom had my brother at I believe 19 or no my sister at 19 then my brother at 21 and then me at like 24 so by the time they separated she was still not even like 30 yet like I remember my mom's 30th birthday so like she had to grow up so quick with kids so young that then when she was older she wanted to like live her life and same with my dad then he got remarried and just like life was all over the place but um I became very focused on just how can I get to where I want to be so like every day I went to school even days where I had to get myself to school it through I used to make Uber accounts to get myself to school with my brother and like when you could remake an email and get a free account and all that stuff um but anything to get education so I could get the hell out of there so that was like my goal how did you inspire yourself to like care so much because I know so many people if they grow up in a household similar to that they can be become resentful they could become like pessimistic they could just want to like squander their time playing video games and like not doing anything why did you see the Silver Lining what made you different I don't I don't I think that it's it's honestly crowd and I was very I was a very big loner in school so like I didn't hang out with anybody I didn't have birthday parties I didn't have like I just stuck to myself and I was just like if I can get myself through this to 18 I'm going to go off to college and I'm going to be rich like that was my life I was like I'm going to get to school I picked engineer to go to school for because I was like engineers make the most money so I was like that's what I'm going to do I dropped out after a month but that's okay made it there um but I was just like I want to get good grades I want to be proud of myself like I did it all for myself not for anyone else and I think that's what I feel like a lot of kids that end up going down the wrong path it's like they might have other people in their life being like you need to go to school you need to do this that's the only way to live and then with their upbringing they're like well drugs sound great well this is a lot easier well I'm going to start doing this and and I thankfully just kind of I just kind of had a good head on my shoulders from a very young age you think you were just born that way like you you just always had a natural apprehension towards like those drugs and other ways life I never I didn't drink till I was 21 I never have smoked I've never done any drugs like I've smoked cigarettes a couple times but I've never smoked weed I've never done anything I'm why cigarettes seems to be an odd like like not to alcohol but that cigarette over there I smoked a couple cigarettes when I was young in that environment and stuff like that but I was just a very like I didn't like feeling out of bound body sure yeah so like I had a really really dramatic instance in high school where I had my hand cut in half and you can kind of see like you can see the scars all throughout my finger so I like lost feeling in most of this hand what happened got sucked into a shop vacum in uh shop class so you know like the you know how machines have little like nose or little nozzles that can soak up all the sawdust like suck it all up the central unit for that was being taken apart and these kids turned it on and my hand was on the table next to it so it got sucked in cuz it's like a really strong industrial vacuum so it just Blended my fingers up that was bad what like what was their reaction when freaked everyone freaked out I kind of they complete accident like I never sued the school everyone told me to I never sued anybody I was just like I'm going to play it good karma but the surgery ended up being like $160,000 thank God my dad works for the hospital he's a respiratory therapist so he had insurance so it just covered all of it like for for me 160,000 for a hand surgery it was bad though like I had like seven arteries burst in my hand I had all the ligaments cut in half the bones were broken I had pins all throughout my hand to fix it all it's still like you have sensation and everything now yeah it's it's back is but this is eczema that's why it looks like that but I like like this like light touch I can't feel but the pinky in the thumb I can so when I grab something it's like part of the sensation is not there so it's but it but thank God I was 17 when it happened so I had time for it to heal but the reason I brought that up was because as I remember getting on morphine when right when they got there because it was just crazy incidents and then they gave me oxycodon to take home and when I took got home that night like excruciating pain just had a 12-h hour like I had to wait to eat and then I had surgery was stuck in the hospital finally get home and it's like hurting really bad obviously the next day cuz I have like metal rods through my hand and I took the oxy cotton and I flushed him down the toy like 30 minutes later like I I felt it take over my body like in a way of I don't know how people choose to do that like I obviously I feel bad for anyone out there who's addicted to opioids but it's like oh my God I could never do that it like took me out of my own body and I was like I don't like this at all now I'm curious when when your hand went through that thing yeah what did it feel like honestly it didn't really hurt until the paramedics got there then it started like hitting in like I so it got sucked in it was in a Flash and like what's crazy is somehow the machine these things don't have like safety precautions on them because it's a unit for a central system like it it's like an AC unit doesn't have if you stick your hand in it it's not going to stop it's not made for that whereas saw has heat sensors and all those things but somehow the machine stopped when my hand went in there it should have just like kept going which would have been God awful but thank goodness it just like right when my hand hit it stopped went to the bathroom and I put my hand under the sink to like wash it off to see how bad cuz I knew it hurt but I was like holding it and I was like was it bleeding and everything oh oh like squirt like everywhere like a horror scene yeah like oh my yeah and you went to the bathroom just by yourself yeah I just went to the bathroom to be like what happened what am I going to do and I put my hand on the sink and I saw all my fingers like wiggle sideways when I put water on it yeah it was awful and I I was like oh sh and I I was losing so much blood um I I was kind of freaking out and then I passed out on the floor cuz I was just like but in before I did I wrapped each finger in like you know those brown paper towels ones at every school I like wrapped as many as I could and I was held it and I fell asleep and then 30 minutes later the paramedics got there like shot me up with morphine unpeeled it as it like opened up all of that and they were like thank God you wrapped it because you would have most likely lost your fingers cuz you kept that pressure on the entire time and like thank goodness it didn't go through completely so it was just like they just had to fix the bones and then do a whole surgery it it was rough someone followed you into the bathroom afterwards my yeah my teacher came in kind of like panicking at the time te yeah they called they called 91 immediately um but yeah it was it sucked a lot of people that I saw that were older that had never drank had never smoked had never done any stuff they kind of had a stick up their like they were very like I'm better than you because I don't do those things so when I turned 21 I was like I'm going to get drunk like what what I can't let this control me this fear of becoming an alcoholic and not being a good dad one day or being a good parent like I was like I'm not going to let that affect my life to the point where I'm never going to do anything so I drank a couple times here and there after that but I was just like I don't want I don't want to drugs and like those things that control me and how was it your first time drinking it was fun it was fun I was with good people having a good time so like I think that there's a lot of problems with alcohol in this country but that's just my personal opinion I think people get very addicted to it and it ruins lives and makes people violent I agree it's totally destigmatized like there's no real like oh my God this guy drinks but there can be with like cigarettes and weed and other stuff like that but alcohol could be just as if not more destructive oh 100% I think I I don't I might be wrong here but I'm pretty sure there was a clip that I saw of Joe Rogan talking with someone about this or maybe uh Jordan Peterson Jordan Peterson was it yeah where he's saying how it's the only drug that inherently makes people violent yeah no one's going to go rob a bank when they're high like it's just like but weed has such a stigma and keep in mind I don't smoke I don't I don't smoke weed I never have but it's just like I've been around people who smoke that are chill and like way lay down watch a movie relax and then I've seen people with alcohol in their system try to beat the out of whoever they see and you're just like which one of these is truly also mentioned something about people being killed or murdered 50% of all murderers and 50% of all people who murder are drunk drunk is that crazy and you're like interesting but that is interesting I always thought like if you're going to pick between one of the two casually I think it's better probably to be a casual drinker than it is casual like weed smoker but if you're choosing like something that you're doing on the daily like whether that be like you know to wake up or like to go to bed or something like that I think it's way better to like smoke weed like you're doing like on a daily basis than it is to be drinking every day I think of wine at dinner pretty or a beer like with your dinner is totally fine and also I think with weed a lot of people forget and they don't they don't want to acknowledge the fact that when you're young it has a lot hard driven effect like you can lose IQ points over time from smoking so much weed when you're 13 to 18 it's like the kids don't really talk about that because they just want to like get high and have fun but it's like there are cognitive things that happen from smoking too much at a young age so it's like wait till you're older like if you're going to experiment with that stuff but it's just never been my thing I've always just been very like I want to get to work make as much money as possible provide a good life for my kids when I have them and all that stuff so I've just never seen the point of any of that but first before we go into that we want to say a huge thank you to our sponsor streamyard so we just bought three new Sony fx3 cameras I don't know if you guys can tell like a difference in the quality but it's extremely expensive this entire set I don't even want to think about how much it costs thankfully though if you want to get started producing highquality content you don't have to do it with spending a 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them regardless of whether or not they sponsored a video because they're that good so enjoy and now let's get back to the video so why did you drop out of college I started YouTube when I was 16 made a couple Vlogs here and there Casey nead at the time was like the biggest YouTuber and I looked up to him and what he did and I was like I'm going to start daily vlogging so I was 17 and it was like December 31st 2016 like going going into 2017 was the first daily Vlog I posted and I kept up with it for started on the same time really yep and I started for I did it for 3 years in like two months every single day I uploaded and so during that time I like was getting all my college acceptances still up no no I privated all of them come on man dude that's the type of stuff that's like that proves like Oh I'm a grinder like I work hard down I well I had a I had a previous relationship that I was in through all of high school and like she was a lot of that content and I don't think you just blur her out no I just like I just felt like that was a different chapter of my life that I didn't really want people going back to and watching like me at 16 all the way to I kind of did it for myself like I just wanted to prove that I could work hard enough to get that done I thought it was going to end up blowing up cuz daily vlogging was the thing at the time but I never it never like made it and I didn't look back at the content like wow every Vlog was entertaining it was like most of it was very boring I was just trying to do something sure so it was just hard work but that was the example of like hard work versus smart work like it didn't it it helped me obviously in the big picture but like I didn't make any money doing it I didn't like get success doing it but what it did is helped give me opportunity throughout time because I got respect from other people who were successful YouTubers um but I was documenting applying to colleges and I documented when I got in I got into NYU it was the I applied to 17 schools I had a 4.1 or 4.2 GPA had a great ACT score great SAT score and I only got into one out of 17 schools I applied to and it was by dream school which was NYU and so I got up moved to New York I started the summer program early I was just like ready to get out of San Diego and I left and after two weeks I knew it wasn't for me everyone told me that college is going to be the experience that was going to be very different like from high school that everything was going to be more fun and the learning was going to be more Hands-On but and I got there and I was just like handing another textbook and I was just like I this isn't helping my life like personally like I'm all for college if it's what you want to do and if you have if you want to be an engineer if you want to be a lawyer if you want to be a doctor go to school for me I was just like I didn't even know what it meant to be an entrepreneur cuz I was 17 in college but it was like that's what I wanted to do I I just wanted to go start something new so I thought of engineer they make good money and they're creative like that was my first thought and that's not really what you get in engineering school like you're doing a lot of math and I was just like look I love math and this is great but I'm not going to graduate from college in four years with $240,000 in debt and then work my way off to hopefully pay off my loans by the time I'm 40 doing a job that I don't even know if I'm going to like yet so I was just like I'm out I'm moving to La so that's what I did so you moved to LA and and did your YouTube channel at the time have any traction no no traction how you how how do you financially moved to Los Angeles my cousin lived in La so he went to UCLA and so I moved back to San Diego for like a month and then I moved to LA and I just packed up a bag everything I brought to New York I just brought with me to La and I stayed on his couch in his apartment and it was a three-bedroom apartment and there was already three guys living in it and I just like lived in the couch in the living room and paid a couple $100 in rent and then I was just like well I got to figure out what I'm going to do so I started doing Postmates and door Dash and all that stuff on top of daily vlogging every single day so I was just like this is I'm going to do it I'm going to make the American dream happen like every kid wanted to be a YouTuber at that time and so I just kept grinding at it day in and day out and I lived there for 2 and a half years or almost 3 years before it took off and so I by the time about a year and a half into it I met Jake Paul at a camera shop and this was right when he started vlogging so he was just this was before his major blowup and I remembered him from Vine and like I just went up and dropped my shot and talked to him and he ended up following me on Twitter and then he invited me over to the house into that was the team 10 house at the time and then I kind of we just started hitting it off and we were on and off friends he was a really cool dude to me what do you say to Jake Paul when you see him at a camera shop like how do you stand out at that point I actually up and I said uh Logan no and and he was like it's Jake and I felt so bad but I had seen them on Vine from like years before and they were you know he was crushing it but I yeah that was the first thing I said like an idiot but he was really cool and I have nothing but good things to say about him he was like a good Mentor for me at that time how do but how do you get like what do you say to get him to follow you on Twitter like how do you recover from that so I had taken my friend to the camera shop Samy camera um he's a videographer and he needed I forgot what he needed he needed a new lens or something for a shoot and his car was broken down so he asked me to take him and then I see Jake Paul in the lobby and I was like sh like in the center room and I was like man congrats on like everything you've done like seen you on Vine and he was like oh what are you doing here and I was like well I took my roommate here but I'm a daily vlogger and he was like oh no way I'm on day 50 he was like what have you you and I was like oh I'm on day like 530 and he was like what so it paid off yeah yeah he was just like why are you like how many Subs do you have I was like like 10,000 he was like shut the up like no way this kid is working for a year and a half every day with nothing and so he invited me over and like a couple videos blew up but I I never passed like I think I had like 70,000 subscribers or something like that at that time um but he he definitely helped and he was in a lot of content with me and he was super cool and I would sit down with him and like we'd talk about what Vlog he was going to film and he was a really cool dude yeah um but I would try to give like creative ideas if I had any and he would help me in my content we were just friends and he it was really cool I was never in team 10 a lot of people thought I was but I was just kind of like in and around and I saw the success that he had made through creating a Content house and I just thought it was a great concept like he took all these viners put them together it seemed so simple in theory but then I saw the complications that came with that he did more of a business structure like I I know that he like signed people and helped blow them up and got a percentage and all that and so I just kind of adopted that mentality when I started hype house I was like this clearly works like if you can take a bunch of people that are blowing up on social media and put them in one Central space it is going to work without a doubt like you you could do it any day anytime anyone could do it in every Community right now you could take the gym Community take 10 of those guys put them in a house together you're going to have the most entertaining content ever it's if the people can continue that for a long period That's the challenge but I was like I know it'll work and then later it was it ended up being like a year and a half later I don't think team 10 was a thing anymore um and it was 2019 Tik Tok had purchased musically and I saw these Tik tokers blowing up and I was like people are really overlooking this app like I was like I know most people did my cousin kept telling me like you got to get on this app like I'm telling like at that time like I was 21 or 20 and he was just like you got that look still you look like just get on there and do the trends and I was like I don't want to do the trends like I want to be a YouTuber like Casey ni dad and like these people I want to be looked at respected and I ended up downloading it and I was like whatever and then I ended up messaging a couple people and I was like this this would be such a good idea if we all moved in together and that's kind of like how the idea of it started Brewing but I had had it since team 10 I was like I want to create a Content house I like just want to live with a bunch of my friends and make cool content and all that that was a dream I had since I met Jake cuz I just saw the environment was so good yeah and what were you doing in the meantime to sustain yourself Postmates that was what you were doing that was all I did but I mean it worked like I knew people that were at this time in 2019 like I knew so many people that had office jobs that were making three grand a month 30 600 to 4 grand a month and I was making like four to five doing Postmates 8 hours a day like I was like am I really that's good money yeah it was good and I was just like am I crazy or like I'm making more than you are and I don't want to sit in a cubicle all day like I get to go on my phone and like call whoever I want while I'm driving around La like yeah it sucked but it was like not bad money for for being a no colge years years like two two years and when did you stop the daily vlogging I stopped it in right before hype house so 20 2019 like uh end of 2019 I would say so what did you see in Tik Tok I overlooked it when I first I downloaded it 2019 early 2019 and I was just like young girls lipsyncing and dancing and I'm like what this is not an app that like I could create content for I think what it was is that I saw musically musically was like a little blip that everyone kind of like overlooked but those creators on musically got so so big so fast but they got no or like little mainstream recognition like I don't know if you remember all the musically people all the musers but I'm sure you remember a lot of the Tik tokers yeah so it's like I'm sure that most people out there if you have a phone and like watch up you know who like Charlie and Dixie and Addison and these big names or hype house like you know who they are from Tik Tok but if you look at musically they never really scratch that surface to like real celebrity like and I know that people get upset with that but like there's a lot of the Tik tokers that made it to that threshold even if they aren't there now like they were celebrities and some are still there like Charlie and Dixie and them like they're still celebrities I know that they're not as famous as like the Kardashians or whatever may be but they're very successful and people recognize them as that Tik Tok I saw as after they purchased it I was like more I just had a feeling more people were going to get on it like I I felt like more people were going to pay attention and so once I met a couple other people like on Tik Tok and met Chase and Alex and all these people I was like if we all get together and we all move into the same house it'll probably do very well and like we we didn't know we were going to make a page for it and all that like we knew we were going to have a Content house and call it something but uh we didn't have like a set plan and there was no business model there was no nothing I was just like let's just all move in together let's all pay rent like trust me this is going to work and they were all down and so we all moved in together I got this house in like two weeks we got a rental house like put the deposit down and then we ended up it it just it ended up taking off so quickly once we made that page the hype house like once we were like okay this is what we're going to do we posted on just went viral like overnight it my understanding you found a lot of these people like really really really early like when did you find Charlie demilia well I didn't really find her like I met her through Chase and Chase was like we kind of just mingled with them at we were at an Airbnb before hype house and we were just all hanging out and we like had this idea of moving in with our friends and all that and that's when we first met them and they were just they were just really cool people like there was no like Talent scouting like that's not how it was in the beginning it was like oh these people are my friends and they do the same thing so why don't we all get together and work together that was kind of the concept behind it yeah and how were you with them though were you popping off on Tik Tok at the time no I was more of hey I've seen all the things that have gone wrong with management and all this stuff through musically people that I knew through YouTubers that I knew people were very very taken advantage of out in La like especially by managers and agents and I'm sure you guys know that but a lot of people are very very bad towards these people and I was just like hey I know the rates I know all this stuff and I was like I don't want to manage you not going to take any of your money I don't want to be an agent to you but I will help you reply to these emails help you close these deals just for you like I'm not making anything off of it but I don't want to see you get robbed by your management and it's like I knew so many people even through hype house that had bad agents bad managers all that stuff and so I was just kind of like hey I have this idea for the house and let's do this and let's all get together make happen and I'll advise with all these things that I had learned over the years but how did you even get your foot in the door if you weren't popular on well I had a following from so enough to be able to DM I had like 80,000 on Instagram and like 100,000 on YouTube so it wasn't like big but these Tik tokers at the time like only had a couple hundred thousand followers on Instagram like they were popping but not like what happened in 2019 to 2020 then they be like everyone catapulted um but that's kind of how it started was just mostly through networking and I also been doing photography videography so I'd linked up with a couple people to shoot for them and stuff like that that's how so what was the initial goal of the hype house what was your objection just hey let's all move in together let's all make content together let's all help each other out that was the whole concept behind it and I was like I saw what hadn't worked for team 10 in the past which was I figured hey if we don't sign anyone if we don't take any money from anybody no contracts you can leave whenever you want it'll be a lot more genuine and then if people end up leaving we'll just have a revolving door of talent so that's kind of like the concept was was just hey let's make a group account and let's all post on it and that first place you got was it a super nice spot or where was it was it here in La it was in Ino and it was it was a good house there it had some issues but we weren't really it wasn't like a fancy place but it was the big like entryway was very noticeable and so when we first moved in there we started having a bunch of people over that at the time like everyone was starting to move to LA for Tik Tok cuz all these talkers were blowing up and they were making money and they were like well we got to move to LA and do this that was just kind of part of it so they all came over to our house and we would all film in the same bathroom and then at that time Tik tok's algorithm was very location based so if you set your phone up in our bathroom it got millions of views like it was without a question yeah it wasn't cuz Tik Tok then was all based on faces and location like you could tell the algorithm work that way so if you if anyone had come to our house we had people come that had 100 followers that would put their phone up and that video went viral every time so we were just just like clearly when this background of this bathroom hits the for you page it go it does well so everyone wanted to come over cuz all the content was being seen by everyone else in the space and that's kind of like how it started that was before hype house even existed it was just I think I remember the bathroom called the Tik Tok bathroom that's what people said good lighting though right good lighting and like all of us were just filming the same spot so that's kind of how it all just like started how did you afford that place if there was so many of us living there oh really was the rent how many people were there so his room size but the average room had like two people in it and it was like 1,500 per room cuz it was like seven bedrooms so it was a big house but it was how do you even convince the landlord at that point to like move in that many people that's a good question um I don't even know how it happened it happened so fast the minute the minute had no idea any dude would see like all we're going to have 15 kids like moving into the house I think well we sat down with the landlord and we explained what we explained what we were going to do but we didn't think it was going to blow up like the way it did like we were all of us were smallish and making enough money to afford the rent between all of us but it wasn't like we we didn't expect it to go so big and then have like the New York Times come shoot it and like all this St like we just didn't expect that we just thought we were going to be friends living together um but I remember we talked to L we told him what we were going to do but we told him like we're not going to damage the house we're not going to do anything crazy all that type of stuff and he he just rented it to us we got lucky and did you end up damaging the house or was it like there was definitely a couple things that were broken but the security deposit was like 20 grand and he ended up taking that when we left but there was a whole situation with that um but we left at least early which remember team 10 house wasn't that trash I get yeah apparently they they did a lot but I thought that they fixed most of it I don't know I'm sure that they had to pay some damages for that it was crazy I drove by the uh that house and I remember like so many people always just hanging out of it the tree was just vandalized sure people would come up with knives and just draw into the tree it's crazy our second house was the worst like the first house had a gate and then it was up a driveway so even when we started popping like and started blowing up and all that we would have like a couple people drive up and like find their way in through the code and like a couple people would like walk up the driveway or like push the gate apart and get up there but it was trespassing so it was like a lot less people are going to do that than when you're on the street at the second house we're on the street and there was at least 40 50 people there every single day which house was that on Hollywood yeah that house was insane so what would you do that was the former phas house right yeah oh was that house huge one the glass one so basically what happened is 6 months into hype house or even less I'd say 3 to four months into hype House people were growing rapidly everyone was doing really well everything was great Co hits well Co had been there but like Co lockdown hits so everyone had to go home so most the people that were in the house like we had the people who lived there but the people that were a part of it that didn't live in the house they all had to go home like we weren't allowed to you couldn't hang out with people obviously it was a health risk like you couldn't go a block away and go hang out with your friends like every it was very very frowned upon like do not be around anyone if you don't have to so in you guys had rules in the hype House of like yo you're not going out and like no no it wasn't really rules we all just kind of came together we were like hey it's lockdown like we shouldn't go anywhere we shouldn't have anyone over so that's going to affect people but I'm talking about the people that were traveling that lived in other states like they went home they they were like we're not staying in LA and like getting a hotel or an Airbnb to be locked up in it like I'm just going to go home so at that time I was like well it's either just like shut it down after three or four months or I got to figure something out and so we were like okay well if we move to a bigger house even though it's during Co if we live with 25 people people can't really say like cuz the whole we like you have to social distance and we were like well what if we all live in the exact same house then it's like if you live with your family no one cares if you live with your friends no one cares if you had roommate like that wasn't really a big deal so we ended up getting the next house and we lived with I think 22 people or 20 people it was crazy and so that was when I was like I'm going to add more people different people and just see if it works like if I add a bunch of new people and everyone hates it like whatever it is what it is but but that's when we blew up the most was at that second house after like adding eight other Tik tokers from other like we had so many people AP part of it it just kept going and going and going and then all the attention kept getting put on us so I was like well we're entertaining people during Co you broke that lease early of that first place yeah how do you make that Financial jump between that first place and that second place second place how much was that like 50 Grand a month yeah I can't go into too much detail on that house mhm um just cuz there's a pending situation with it that I can't really talk about but what I can say is that I lost hundreds of thousands of dollars on that house hundreds that I have spent on that place the place was 50,000 a month almost it was like 45,000 a month and I put a $90,000 security deposit that that's gone yeah then I paid over $100,000 after that and the entire rent during that time so like we I think we split it for the first few months and then for the last couple months I paid it how are you paying $45,000 a month rent we were making good money like my my YouTube videos were doing three to five million per post three times a week like they were we were crushing and like brandals were flowing in for everybody everyone was making good money CU that was that we were all so big at that time every every post got millions of views no matter what we did so it wasn't even bothering you to be Froning that 45,000 no no it was bothering me it was just it was just hey we we all signed a lease so like we got a live up to it and then that situation got even worse like yeah both places we broke early the first place it's not worth getting into but there was a couple things wrong with the actual house which is why we left and then it was getting to a safety hazard with people coming in and breaking in so that's why we left the first one cuz we had a girl break in and like vandalize the place even after after we moved out like cuz that was when we started like actually growing significantly and then the second house just like that was a show but yeah that that place has lost me a ton of money big big regret not also made you a lot of money it did and it made everyone else a lot of money being in and around that time but I was so glad that I bought my next house cuz I was just like I don't want to be sued by another landlord or deal with any like that so I was like I'll never rent a place ever again in my life when you're talking about a video getting like three to 5 million views what's the ad revenue on something like that my CPM wasn't great at first because I I was doing five minute videos eventually I worked it up to 8 minutes and so I could do the mid rolls during it but it was doing good i' would say like each post was like 20 grand no way yeah they it got up there and they were doing yeah they were doing well yeah so everyone and that was your own personal channel that was my personal Channel HP house we didn't post on and it was just too complicated with like members coming in members coming out I didn't want the drama associated with it so we just kind of like took a break from it and just stuck to Tik Tok but yeah no it was good good money and I was just grinding that all day I was doing YouTube every second I was awake and it's funny cuz so many people thought they were like dude this guy's making Bank off of all these people in hype house I was like actually I don't sign anyone no one's made me a dollar off of this thing why not cuz that they were equally a part of it as much as I was and they were putting Mo in the beginning everyone was putting equal like effort into this thing like we were all passionate about it everyone was happy it wasn't like a I'm making hype house to make money like it was like hey this is supposed to be a collective thing that everyone's a part of and so I was just like I'm not taking a percentage of anyone it just felt wrong I still don't like the concept of it I don't like when people do it now it's like to me I I get it in some situations like when rappers Drake signs you you're going to make a sh ton of money so it's like it makes sense for him to like co-sign an artist Tik tokers YouTubers it's just like so many people have tried it it never works out well so I was just like that's not what I want to do like I want to help these people as much as I can and I want to give them an environment to thrive and work off of each other and all that and I don't mind but I'm going to work on my own thing too and so that was my benefit in it it was like this whole thing helped my career immensely and like I'm forever great for everyone who has been a part of it who is a part of it currently like they these people have helped change my life and I've hope that I've helped change theirs but I was just like I don't I don't want to get into the management business that like that that just wasn't what I wanted to do I wanted to be a Creator and so I was grinding on YouTube every day but I didn't make any money through hyp house h highp house has lost me so much money like it is just yeah it the it has to be a net positive though no no no hype house is a net negative really absolutely why that's like a resounding now no absolutely it has lost me so much money I have been through five legal disputes in three years where I did nothing wrong and most of them have just been dealt with immediately but like no like I've been it has caused me a lot more harm than good outside of the like first year like it it no yeah jeez I got wrong I'm proud that I have helped a lot of people in my eyes and like I I'm just glad that we made such a big impact in that time but yeah no and I'm I'm grateful for the experience and grateful for everything cuz I think everything's a Learning lesson in life but no yeah net hype house no net negative yeah yeah it's lost me a lot of money I was like yeah okay overall it's good no no no but that's okay that's I feel like that's life though cuz not every business you create it's going to be profitable what a lesson to get out of the way early though yeah lawsuits yeah is insane yeah no lawsuits are not fun I wish that I could share details on them but you can't as I'm sure many people out there know it's just not it's also not the right thing to do in those situations like you don't go out and spill all the details of who's suited for what and this and that but like these lawsuits by the way were not with like people in the house like these are like things from outside like people I've never met things that I like just like people very frivolous lawsuits that I've gotten dealt with but yeah it's been a bunch of shows but yeah that's part of running a business that's what that's what all attorneys always say that they it's the cost of doing business which I get but like the mental wear down that those have had on me like I've been suicidal multiple times over the last couple years and I don't mind talking about it but like that destroyed my mental health more than anything in what way well when you're accused of something that you didn't do and you're fighting it with full force and you know that even when you win you still lose because you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal bills you don't get a dollar back even when you win and then you just don't want to like spend your life counter suing and suing people have wronged you and all that it's just like not the way I want to live my life but when you're getting like pushed down everything on you and I had my childhood and like don't have close family in my life and like very deal with a lot of issues personally already like that stuff just makes it like so much worse like money is money is great and I am so so grateful for my position I'm so grateful I I would pick Rich over broke any day and I've been both but money doesn't fix your mental health and it doesn't help you with relationships and it doesn't help it actually makes a lot of things worse and I'm sure that you guys have dealt with that people coming back in your life that want something or people that you just meet you never know what their true intentions are and it's in La people view clout as a currency even more than money which is very very strange but like you don't even know when anyone's being genuine to you half the time and like I'm sure that I don't know if you guys have dealt with that I haven't I'm so cheap I don't don't spend money though that's that's the thing if people know what they're getting into with me well but I mean but also like Fame and stuff like that alters people like I had people text me from high school that haven't talked to in six years that are just like could you send me some money for this and I'm like what like I haven't talked to you at all why the would I send you money like I don't know how are they asking for just like hey could you help me buy this I'm I'm down bad I'm I'm like addicted to this and this and I'm like where is this my problem like we aren't friends you're an old person I knew in high school you weren't even a friend in high school like what I people are crazy and then like family issues and all that stuff it's like that money money complicates everything but it also is a beautiful thing that gives you Freedom so it's like you you win some you lose some yeah but some of my best best memories in life were when I was broke for sure like I think that's just what people don't really understand about money is like yes it's great and it's so hard cuz I said the same thing that I'm sure the people watching this podcast you're thinking which is if I had this all my problems would go away no you they wouldn't and by the time you get to those problems those problems are bigger than anything you've ever faced so it's like for example if you have a lawsuit that cost you $500,000 to get through you will never ever ever get that when you're broke because they're not going to get anything so no one's ever going to sue you no one's ever going to do that because you don't have anything to lose so it's like when you're broke you really only have up to go like outside of your health like take care of health and all that but Financial wise like that's all you really have to worry about where once you have money it's like people trying to bring you down you got to maintain that lifestyle if you bring that up you there's a lot of complications that come in with that and the relationships with people you have to make sure you're having the right circle around you and good friends and good family and all that gets a lot more complicated once you reach success whatever that means to you every time we have this discussion on the podcast I check the comments and everyone's like of course it's just once again three dudes talking about like how money doesn't like make you happy or whatever but in the same way that you've experienced like pure Bliss and happiness and some of the best moments in your life when you didn't money same thing for me like some of the happiest parts of my life were when I was in high school I had no money no job couldn't get a job and I was running cross country just hanging out with my friends don't realize that's the good time until you look back at it exactly so it makes you realize hey now could be a good time now now was the good you know what I mean who knows well and everything I hate Nostalgia I'm a very which sounds weird but like I'm not a nostalgic person at all I don't think back on a time of like the good old days I think you're always living them and if you stop and look around little bit you'll realize that everyone's going to remember this year everyone says like oh 2023 sucks but then in 2026 they're going to be like God I missed 2023 and you're just like you don't realize it but everyone's like oh 2019 do you have many posts I see now where people are like 2020 was the best year and I'm like you were locked inside was it really the best year or are you just being nostalgic because it's been three years it's like it'll always go through those 2020 was the best year that's a trend I hate is when people were like 2020 was a rough year 2021 was a rough year and they always reflect at the the end of the year I I hate that Trend it makes no sense to me but I also get for people there are a lot of there is situations where finances like your financial situation could make a lot of your problems go away which I totally understand freed there's a lot of freedoms that come with making money but honestly like I think after maybe with inflation now I I always used to say 10,000 a month anything more than that is like very just frivolous like you could live a very good life with $10,000 a month now with inflation that's probably if you live in La probably closer to 15 to 20 um if you live anywhere else outside of major cities 10 grand a month is still like you could do pretty much you could get a really cool car you could get a nice house you could do a lot of things with 10 grand a month but La it's things are expensive here anything past like I'd say 15,000 a month life doesn't really change the toys get bigger or cooler but it doesn't really change your life like the stress levels don't really change unless you put them up to that level then you got to like you live in the same spot is if you bring your bills up to 10,000 a month then you're going to feel just like you did when you made four grand a month like it's not going to change anything for you cuz you're putting the same stress into it that you would if you didn't have as much money so what do you spend money on cars like what um I have seven cars I don't know why uh but I love what was the first first like nice car you bought I bought Tanner Fox's old gt3s you did I still have it yeah yeah but before that I bought a Tesla Model 3 so I had a Mazda 3 all of high school all through that car saved my life that was post mates then um I got a model 3 and that was like my first I'm so bad with money I'm like the worst person to give advice I don't you know I'm good with Investments and like building up a portfolio and all that type of stuff and I make smart choices like I bought real estate during covid when everyone said don't buy real estate and now my house has gone up 40% in a couple years so it's like I make good choices like that but I'm just very like I I was just a broke dumb kid with money like I know that that people don't understand you be rich or be broke like mentality wise like even if you make a lot of money you can still be broke cuz you're dumb so it's like my first 20 grand I bought a chain I bought I spent $177,000 out of my $20,000 in my bank account on a necklace why cuz don't call it a neckace it was a chain it was a yeah it was a nice chain and I was so hyped on it but I always wanted one so I bought it and I had 20 grand in my B out I spent 17 on it how' that make you feel though like once you look at and you're like three yeah I was just like I'm going to make more have to how did you make that 20 grand um was it like a YouTube video that popped off no this was pre YouTube I think it was we had a lot of sound promos back in the day so like everyone else was very focused on like I got to keep my feed good with Trends and I was like I got to make as much bread as possible during this time because this stuff doesn't last forever which is very true but I took everything so it' be like a sound promo a day for three five grand and I was like I'll do this every day and everyone was like you can't do them every day like your feed won't be as good I was like I don't give a about my feed that's 150 Grand a month if I take a $5,000 sound promo every day like why would I not do that the sound promo is just them saying use our sound yeah yeah or like or brand deals that came in and all that stuff but I made 20 bought the chain made another 20 bought a cat a cat a cat that was a bad $20,000 cat two whyz you have $40,000 in cats I think it was like it was like $36 you're laughing it's not funny why what type of cat is this uh Savannah cat I have two of them they're big they're like 20 pounds I always wanted on um I aren't those the ones don't they get kind of like aggressive or a little bit but they're good the mine are like super sweet and well trained um but yeah they were I know people will be pissed cuz I bought cats but um yeah it's I it was just like did you ever see Archer no the show all right well on Archer there's an ocelot and it's a exotic animal you can't own and I always wanted one and this was the closest you could get so I bought one and then he was lonely so I bought another one but um yeah so bad choices even want I bought the Tesla like what about the next 20 grand now Tesla okay and the next that was just down and I was like I got to make this payment and then once I paid off the Tesla I put it down on the gt3rs and then I just had to pay that off so it's like I you I didn't come from like no one was there advising me where to put money no one was there like I feel like I'm I was very financially similar to a lot of like athletes that come into money or a lot of boxers like you know like any anyone that comes from nothing and just like doesn't know what they're doing and doesn't have guidance from parents or anyone else around them so it's like as that money just floated I was like I just burn through it who cares and then you get hit with taxes well the cars are a different business for me now but I I just love cars like I after the GT the I got addicted I bought a bunch um and now I have seven but I have a gt3s of tander's old one I have a BM M3 2023 that's like the daily good car I have a wide body Urus I have a 720s I have a f8 tributo I have uh crap Huracan perante and a 1967 Fastback yeah so I got a lot of cars what a collection yeah try to get a variety like American European you know every brand as much as I can get I if I had $100 million I would have like $40 billion in cars that's a good collection yeah yeah no I I'm super proud of my collection and like it was just a way for me I'm not like the average person that comes into money and like is like okay well I got this much I got to put this much here put this much here put it aside get investment for I was just like oh I just got to keep working and make more and that was just my mindset has that changed at all oh absolutely yeah of course I yeah and I I learned to diversify and put it into you know like and actually invest my money smartly but I it's the same thing where also like I don't know what's wrong with me I don't like debt and I know that there's some people that are like this and most people are not like this and it's not the smart way to be is like fearing of debt but like all my cars are paid off like I don't do the loan thing like I just don't like it it bothers me like I'd get a loan and then I wait six months and pay it off the next day so that it would improve my credit but I was just like I don't like owing anyone and we have a mortgage right yeah but you have to have a mortgage I feel like yeah like most people don't pay off their houses and there's so much more you can do with that money where that's like a lump sum but like to me I don't know like what instead of paying off a $300,000 car like you put the 300 Grand into what like real estate and buy another house and do an invest but that's more time cuz there's also like after owning a home the reason I haven't gotten to into real estate outside of my personal house is like it's so much work it's like unless you know what you're doing and you have a really good team but then also I don't know how people trust people because I'm not a very trusting person because I had bad childhood lost a lot of people blah BL blah Etc like I don't just trust someone to go run an Airbnb for me just like well then I'm going to want to be Hands-On but then how much of that is going into it versus how much is it rewarding me that's kind of like the it's not worth your time no but for some people it is and it's a great business if that's what you're solely focused on so I'm a very like All or Nothing type of person so I'm like I'm either going to focus on this full-time or I'm gonna not waste my time on it so it's like that's where stock market cryptocurrency all that stuff's fun to me because I look at like a game and I can do it from my phone but I mean it's kind of like gambling to be honest too oh gosh let's talk about your portfolio where's all your money allocated percentage wise oh you're not going to like that answer uh I'd say like 50% crypto 50% stocks now you got money in cars about cars real cars house Bank stuff like that but that's it so if if you're taking your entire like what is it um 40% invested I'd say like 25% in the house the house is gone up a lot or 20% in the house and then cars 20 Bank the rest so it's like not not bad it's not like I'm not like a ter terrible no but I should have but it's also I buy good cars so like most my cars have made me money they've all profited like they haven't lost me money you never sold a car no I have I've sold a bunch now might be a time to start selling off oh I am what other cars have you had that you funny enough the only cars I've lost money on are my Teslas all three Teslas I had lost my money huh cuz they just hold terribly cuz they make a new one all the time and like why would you buy a used Tesla when you go online and buy one in a week I'm surprised you don't have a Tesla right now I hate them I hate them so why why do you hate Tesla that was it it wasn't my dream car I always wanted super cars but like dream car in like real like anyone can afford Tesla if you're realistically and I bought that model 3 I had it for a couple months great car loved it but then like I got I got a model X after that cuz I was dailying Tanner GT3 RS in La which is not a good idea it just doesn't not practical in any anyway so I was like I got to get a normal car so I bought a model X I had it for a week before I sold it like I was like I can't do this thing the once it like going electric again I couldn't do it and then I bought a Model S plaid um last year just couldn't do it everyone got car sick in the back they all felt like throwing up cuz the regenerative braking build quality is terrible once you get into like higher end cars I feel like you once you get in like a Tesla you're like the car and the concept and the technology is brilliant but the actual build of them is terrible like door frames are misaligned like all the stuff and and I think so I bought the model S I let my cousin use it to go to San Diego and the motors blew on him on the highway as he was driving down so keep in mind this car was a week old or two weeks old that's crazy you let someone borrow a week old plaid to drive down to well yeah he was my cousin I was just like he needed to go home and I was like you can use it and he took it and it blew on him so he was like stranded there we had to get him back to LA it was a whole show and I bring it into Tesla and I'm like just give me a new one it's got like 50 on it they had the car for like 9 weeks fixing it I was like this car is a week old you're not even give me a loner this car is a week old like that makes no sense like Porsche would never do that to how would they not give you a laner I don't know they did to me they they upgraded me oh they did yeah well it's also like I didn't need the car like I have other cars like I didn't need it but the fact they didn't even offer it like I was like I'm not going to go take a loaner from someone who doesn't have the option of another car but the fact they didn't even offer a laner or just like if it was me like guess it's not their choice obviously but if it was me like I would just give him a new car if he bought it with 50 M on it like why wouldn't you just get a new one delivered and just take that one and go fix it like the motor shouldn't be blowing up on them would you get the Roadster or the Cyber truck I have the Cyber truck pre-ordered I have since the day launched four years ago um but the Roadster maybe I'm going to see how people react to it cuz the thing is I got in the plaid and I was like oh my God this is the fastest car I've ever been in and I've been in a lot of super cars are like crazy performance and all stuff they don't compare to have you been in applied model there's nothing there's nothing it's like a roller coaster roll back like shoots you back yeah and it's great but it still doesn't feel real like it still feels like a ride more than a car and I don't like how smooth they are like I like I like feeling like I can feel the road and with those cars like I would look down on the highway and be like I'm going fast like way faster than I drive my other cars like I'd be at like 130 on the freeway and I was like this thing doesn't feel real like this is dangerous and I yeah that car just I don't think I could get the roader unless it was unless it's really blows me away which it could but how do you top 1.8 seconds on a plaid like what are you going to do is it going to go z7 probably it's probably to be like 1.5 but I feel like they're going to have to put a legal limit on that there a speed in which you'll pass out like you do it in like under a second I think people lose consci I'm sure that the government will come in and be like hey okay 1.5 that's it you can't like you can't have a car that goes 0 to 60 in a second like they someone could put that in front of a house and press on it and go through the house like that's too fast like that becomes like well I know cars are already dangerous but like just being able to like park there and just shoot through this house is like that can't be there's no way they're going to let that happen and also what's the I feel like that takes away all the fun in it but I don't know what's the point yeah what's the point going that quick there's quick versus fast fast I understand the speed of getting going up and up and up and getting in a Bugatti and going 200 M hour that's a cool thing on a track or whatever but a plat is just like yeah dud I think the new thing instead of 0 to 60 is going to be 60 to 120 yeah maybe I could see that yeah I mean upper if they can keep the zero to 120 dude in like 4 seconds dude imagine 60 to 120 in 2 seconds imagine that yeah well there's super cars that can do that that are like quick quick like cuz the if I'm on the highway in the 720 and I'm at 60 it's quick like 60 to 150 quick really but it's not zero you'll slide like I'll slide if I'm in anything over or under third gear in the Ferrari or the McLaren I'll just slide out so what was your process of buying the house moving from Hollywood to yeah so I bought it with two of my friends at the time and we each put in I I believe I put in 700,000 or 600 and something thousand and they put in four and between the two of them yeah so we were all just like Hey we're going in on this house and then once they ended up moving out later I was like hey well do you want me to buy you out or do you want to keep your investment in the property and they chose for me to buy them out so I just paid them out instead of and now it's just mine but and how do you do that you just get an appraisal was yeah was it at a new appraisal no was at the original but they just wanted cash back like as quick as possible so I was just like hey I'll pay you out on that I have no problem with that cuz at that time the market was finicky but like I believe that it's going to go up so I'm going to hold my invest I would say well you know it would be this but then there's commissions and escro charges so uh we'll take this and we% if you really if you think about it though it's like $150 if the market did crash like it's gone up significantly for me but if it did crash I would have been because 5% on a house to real estate agents plus anything I had to fix or anything like that like I would have lost a lot of money but it happened to go up so it's like I think real estate's pretty safe overall longterm but you know that's just me but yeah I bought the house we we did seller financing for the first year cuz none of us had good Bank St like we had good bank statements for a year and a half but like who's going to trust that for the next five years um so we sell our finance at a high rate it was like 6 to 7% I think it was really high and then I refinanced it at the end of the year knocked it back down once it was just me I refinanced and then now I'm selling it you're selling it right now yeah what's the asking 75 I think you're going to get it yeah is it on the market right now yeah 75 yeah Jesus but it's 12,000 sare ft I didn't know was that yeah I didn't know it was that expens that nice though I bought it for five three years ago and I know the jump seems crazy it seems crazy but I bought it during Co when no one was buying because everyone was scared everyone I knew was like in 2020 they were like I'm not buying anything because it was still during lockdown like still massive like everyone was just like I'm not buying right now in LA or in the LA region because everything's going to go down that was the thought process so what's the goals in the current like close future for you you just want to sell this house what about other business stuff that you want to be doing content this house I think I've just lived with so many people in it and it's like nothing towards any of the people like all love and respect towards everyone but like I've lived with so many roommates in this house specifically I think I've lived with over 25 people in the last couple years and it's just like it doesn't feel like my home like even though I bought it even though I pay the bills every month even though everything it's just like feels like the hype house not my house I've lived in that for three plus years and I just want like I want to buy a place and I want to set it up my way the way I would not for Content not for roommates like my house just like where every room has a value to me like I want to build a gym I want to build a podcast room want my girlfriend have an office I want to have like all these specific things that I want in my house like I don't need a 10-bedroom house I need like a three or four bedroom house like a norm noral house and it's just like it doesn't feel like a home to me so like that's my immediate priority I'm curious what do you look for when it comes to ticktockers like who could be in the hype house like what qualities I think it it's changed over the years um but I I can always sense when someone's about to take off and I don't know if it's just I'm sure maybe there's a lot of people out there that are like that but I I like know early on it's hard to tell like just why like what about it you can see the growth the repetition on your for you page I don't know the community too you can see the bond they have with their fans like I can just tell when things are working and I've just kind of had that eye out for it for a while and it helps that everyone who's com to Hype house ends up leaving with a lot more followers every single time so that helps but it it what I've noticed is there's people who get views and there's people who have communities and if you can do both you'll be very very successful because that's the best thing you can do is have a relationship with your audience and hyp house has a good relationship with its fan base which is interesting because it's an entity it's weird but whenever people come in like our fans get so excited and it's it's nice to see like it's cool that they've been so supportive over the past couple years cuz they it's like nobody but me is in it from the first house like from we first launched you're the only person I'm the only person like my girl from was there from the second like from or into the first house but like towards the end but nobody else has been in it but whenever I add five new people and start posting like the attention goes insane like the fan base gets excited and the edits go crazy and it's just like really cool that even when it's brand new people it's cuz kids they're bored like people out there are bored so when you give them something to pay attention to they get really excited because it's just something to focus on sure and I think entertainment is it'll always be there because people need a distraction from what's going on in life that's why I've always tried to just make entertaining stuff whether it makes people laugh whether people make fun of it whether it makes them happy whatever it is it's like at least we're entertaining to some level cuz things get boring really quick how do you deal with some of the drama that comes along with it though that's a good question um I hate it personally I don't like drama I don't like bad blood I try my best to stay neutral with everything and everybody um but there's been times where it's been public drama and stuff like that but I I just I don't like it and I'm also older now like I feel like drama comes when there's issues and then they get put online and you're just like it's very easy to keep it offline but obviously like I made mistakes in the past too and blasted people online and just didn't give a and stuff like that but it's like it's just immaturity like the older you get you kind of just like I don't have time for this like I don't care if it gains me more followers or whatever it's like I just don't want to talk about other people I want to talk about myself and what I'm doing like I just don't care I'm very like even if people have wronged me I hope that they do well like I'm a very like I just hope that you find happiness success and all that stuff like I just want everyone to learn on their own and even if they've done bad things to me I think the life always comes full circle where it's like you'll figure it out eventually or like you'll end up focusing on yourself and things will get better for you and like it's all I really care about just I don't have time for drama and I don't like I don't have energy for it it's very draining and what's going to happen to the hype house once you sell the hype house and you just buy a personal residence there's options for it but my one I'm leaning towards is adding people from all over the country that don't live in the same house so just using it as a place because I I want to I Really respect what Dave pornoy has done with bar stool and hype house is such a big name like a lot of people know the name hype house whether they hate it or love it whatever it may be most people hate it but it's got a lot of attention on it and I want to use that to blow people up in a different way like instead of just gaining followers and doing Tik Tok Trends and all that like I want to take people who have a podcast and use it as a way to blow up their podcast through hype house through posting Clips on hype house instead of just their personals so it's like using it as a utility for a group of people in that and that that's what I want to Pivot the like um the direction of it that'd be interesting so kind of like a promotion type thing kind of but they're all part of a collective and if we are together we can film together and stuff like that so but I just think it's been very limited by one house for so long and I've thought about investing into other houses and do all that but it's just it's a it's a net negative business it seems like you get a good offer from like somebody to take over the hype house or is it more about you I mean if I got a good offer I probably would but um everyone has a price yeah if anyone wants to buy it yeah hit me up um no I mean I actually have had that conversation once um but it it mainly came into what if someone took it over and then like went cuz if I sell it it's not my problem anymore or anything like that like what if they go sign a bunch of talent take 95% of what they make say they're going to blow them up through there and then what if they don't know how what if they don't know how to actually help them like what if they just them over and then it's like even if it's not my problem because I sold it I'd still feel like right tarnishing your name a little bit like well I helped with that and then they all these people over so it's like I'd rather just try to figure out a way to do it myself and it's such a big thing still like even though it's not the same as it was years ago and it's not the same like hype level and all that it's just I want to create something new the for you page is very designed to the viewer so it's like if I took people from anywhere it'll just hit our fans plus their fans so it just continues to build their reputation so that's a tool that could be used for people but I just want to find more people that are willing to put in work to do more than just Tik Tok or more than just like social media like I want to find people that want to do bigger things with their careers overall that's kind of like where the direction I'm going is where do you think the direction is going for a lot of these Tik tokers right now most people just turn to Snapchat because that Revenue I don't know if you guys are on there but I think most people pivoted away from Tik Tok right now um I don't know if Tik Tok is going to figure their out or if they're not but it it doesn't seem like it's going great for them but that's just my personal opinion I love the app and everything it's done for me and hype house and all the people and everything but there's not much opportunity on it like you can hit people through clips for you long form I'd say that's the most useful thing that's changed over the past couple years but as just a short form Creator it doesn't really make sense like putting all your energy into it there's not as much of a return on investment anymore where back in the day like you could put a bunch of work in and it would gain you on Instagram YouTube all that you don't really gain off of Tik Tok anymore it's like good for people like you guys to post your Clips on because then it blows up the podcast leads to more Revenue Etc but for short form creators like everyone gets millions of views now and now the brands the my one pet peeve I have with Tik Tok is that when you get a brand deal they completely muted out like you could be getting a five million view average and then you post to Brand it gets 50,000 views yeah why is that is it because you have to select paid it's because they want if this is my guess but I would guess that it's because Tik Tok wants the brand to pay for paid advertisement so they can make money so because like then you everyone boosts the videos now like when you get a brand deal they boost it to millions of people but that's how Tik Tok makes money if they don't have that how else do they make money off your brand deals right so it makes sense in theory but then you start realizing like you're kind of screwing over the creators that are that have helped develop your platform because without I think that the way that you make a platform successful is you give people the opportunity to become famous like I think that's what happened with Vine I think that's what happened musically I think that's what happened Tik Tok is like I think hype house and like the people in it and Charlie and all these people really helped Tik Tok solidify itself like I think without those creators less people would have wanted to be Tik tokers because it's like they saw these people these guys and girls becoming famous for quote unquote nothing like whether it was dances or Trends or whatever it might be I feel like that gives people hope in a platform that they could be that so it's like you you see people like that blow up and you're like I if I put work in I could do what they did but right now there's like none of that it's more like if I develop a podcast and post Clips I'll be able to transfer the views over to YouTube it's not I'm going to make so much on Tik Tok or like I'm going to build a career off Tik Tok or I'm going to become famous off Tik Tok so I don't know the plat the platform's strange right now I feel like especially when you use your Tik Tok to leverage other career paths like like how people become musicians like we've seen that so much from Tik Tok a lot more common yeah I know exactly or people just becoming mainstream celebrities like going to red carpets and stuff like that and hanging out with the Kardashians and whatnot it's like okay like you're really a mainstream celebrity at that point but if you view it as like they start off Tik Tok that's such an inspiration for so many people out there it's the same way that I viewed at Casey and IAT when I started YouTube at 16 is I was like this guy is just a dude in New York with a camera like chasing his dream of being a videographer and starting a business and all this it made me feel like I want to be a YouTuber when I'm older and that hope was what was there for Tik tokers in 2019 to 2020 21 and now I feel like I don't I just I don't know if I don't I'm not educated on it but I don't know if 16 year-olds out there now are like I want to be a Tik tocker like I don't know if there's no there's no true money like in Tik Tok promotions and everything if they're just stifled no noan is going to a marketing budget towards Tik tokers so then you can't like FLT all your Tik Tok wealth and therefore you know people wouldn't be very interested doing so it's like everyone knows YouTube works but YouTube's now more of a I'd say YouTube's more of a what's the word for it like a science no no no like like Nickelodeon a network oh YouTube is very much like a network now you have to have a overview of what you want to do it's not very like old YouTube was like set your camera up and film some funny and post it new YouTube is like develop a show idea or develop very corporate very corporate yeah which works but it also has lost that like I want to be a YouTuber so I I feel like right now there's like nothing like I feel like there's no I want to be a YouTuber Tik tocker Instagram person like I feel like all the platforms have become very analytical and become very soulless like I feel like it went from a from an art like a creative Outlet into a science or business well this is the thing it's that sucks is like I love business and I love negotiating brand deals for myself and I love the agency side for myself it's really fun I love growing on social media and treating the analytics side like a game and like all that I love that part but I think the whole genuiness to social media is supposed to be just like put your phone up and film and I think that's why I love when people like Keith Lee blow up because he like in my book deserves it because he's just honest and like puts his phone up and films something genuine and I'm just like I want the platforms to go back to that not like one person who gets that every two years like a bunch of people like I feel like it's just kind of like one person at a time now on Tik Tok where it used to be everyone but it's also so oversaturated it's like how many people can do the same thing and then how like not everyone can blow up for the same thing difference was when we were on Tik Tok and like it was actually when it was first blowing up and all that if you looked at a trending sound you would see all of your friends as the top 20 like when I would click it I would be like oh they did that sound they did that sound they did that sound all of my people or like all of my friends in my network were under the same sound because that was just such a small Niche amount of people on Tik Tok now if a dance goes viral it's like millions of people doing the exact same thing so it's like how are you GNA pick one person to blow up out of that it doesn't really make sense a lot of people that start from somewhere like when you're just a group of friends hanging out and you blow up everyone wants to maintain that as they build their following but in reality you're not going to live that same life because it's impossible you live in an apartment and you go viral in an apartment filming with your friends and then you guys make money and you move into a house it doesn't make you any less of what you were doing like that's the whole point of it so when I bought my first car when I did all this like I filmed all and it wasn't like people viewed it as like oh you're trying to be cocky or flaunt or whatever I was like no I'm just bringing you along the journey and I bring you along the bad times too and it's like that's just life like that's how you create a more special bond with your audience it's like I'm not the perfect person at this but you know a lot of people do that and I feel like someone like Keith Lee I don't like bringing him up a bunch but like he's great though he is great and and he does such a good job at he connects with his audience like when he moved out of his place he made it a very heartfelt thing that like that place was where he started in this and now he can afford to bring his family to something better but no one hates on him for that like people get scared of like posting their success and I understand because there's a lot of negative they're going to hate on him when he moves into that 13 bedroom mansion exactly it's it's got to get to a point where it's like when unrealistic exactly but at the same time you're just like you keep it real and you're going to have those supporters you'll always have haters everyone will always have haters but if you keep it very real with your fans throughout your time like they'll connect with you a lot more than other people and I know a lot of people that put on a very big facade for social media and they're just very different people and it always ends up being tiring like at some point you're just like I'm putting on a fake face it's like that's why when I'm depressed or have issues like I just don't post on YouTube like I'm not going to sit there and smile and pretend that everything's great when it's not it's just like I'd rather take a break yeah cuz that's just what I need and like I know that that's not great for analytics or career whatever but that's where you're just looking it's like I'm not even going be putting out good stuff if I'm not feeling good or if I'm going through something that sucks like I'm just going to take a break mhm I feel like that's uh what David do did Super well because like he initially started out in an apartment and then just slowly like he got the nicer house and he got like the Mansion but like his fans were with him the entire way yeah I think a lot of times people don't realize how much money you make and so they're like wait a second he's doing that well he's making money off me what I think a lot of people I think that was one of the one of the roughest things though it was just like really it sucks when you have to say no to people cuz like I'm the type of person where like I take every photo every human that has asked me in public take a photo with beond grateful that they even know who I am but at the second house when like I'm pulling my car out and I have to go to a meeting and like there's nine people knocking on my windows and then the moms are like we made you I'm like you're at my house you psychopath like you're at my house you crazy of a mom take your kid away from my house you like you have to be delusional to bring someone to someone's private residence and wait outside for 8 hours they wait outside for 8 hours oh my God no every second if we would leave at 5:00 in the morning there would be people there and it was just like the fact that they were sitting that there're like you wouldn't have any of these without us and I'm like I didn't say that they would say that oh yeah the moms were crazy but it's just like who are you to like show up to someone's house and like we tried to take photos but then it became uh right then it's expected then you just oh you go to the house and they take photos of you yep not only that the police were upset with us cuz the the road got shut down from so many cars it's like there's so many issues that came up from that that we weren't allowed to take pictures anymore and then once we told people that they were like yeah you're full of and I was like no we literally like are we are going to get evicted because of this so it was just like it was just getting worse and worse but people just they feel someone uh told me this recently who it was like a manager friend of mine that worked with celebrities and influencers and he was saying it's very interesting to see the differ between how people treat influencers in public versus celebrities like he was just like oh I I you know I'll be out at dinner with blank major celebrity like major comedian he' be like people might recognize them but they have the respect to like stay away from them where he's like when I'm out with my influencer clients like anyone feels like it's free game at a restaurant to come up be like hey selfie real quick like you know the person yeah it's like you're it's not like oh that's that actor where you get very reserved and you're like oh that's that famous actor like if you someone saw Tom Holland at a cafe they're like oh my God that's Spider-Man they like freak out and then that's it where when they see an influencer they're like oh my God it's this person from the Hy I'm going to go take a picture with them but it's like the respect part goes out the window which I get just influencers I get that whole perspective but it's like that also gets irritating when you're like out and that's just the way people just expect it and then when they get to the point where like they're at your house and then they're demanding it and you're just like just give me a little space like maybe don't come to my house maybe please that's crazy that you actually got nearly evicted yeah we had many many break-ins per house that's supposed to be your one space m and like they would try to come in the garage when it was shutting they would try higher security though I think we did at one point um yeah we had security at one point that was that house was crazy you're really good at storytelling yeah I think You' be really good on a podcast that's why like especially now I'm like doubly excited for you to start one really always wanted to I think it's just the two like everyone goes the podcast route and then they go the like all especially Tik tokers and YouTubers stuff they always go like the drama route I don't want that like I want to talk to intellectual people and I want to I want to learn something when I'm talking so you want to have guests on every episode yeah guests on every episode I want I don't care if they're famous or not or as long as they have something to bring to the conversation yeah like I love Joe Rogan's podcast I love Jordan Peters podcast I don't watch Lex's but I should wow I I love Lex Reedman they're they're just all like I like when people bring other people on and they learn new things and you're running a good podcast you have to be like humble enough to listen to New Perspectives and all this stuff it's just like I want to do that and I want to feel like I'm growing all the time as a person and I want to be surrounded by people doing better than me and that's that's something really important I feel like a lot of people don't understand you are who you're surrounded by and I think that's probably the biggest like if there's anyone out there watching that's like hey what's the advice that I could give to make money I'd say forget all the analytical things for a second who are you surrounded by because if you're around a bunch of broke people that don't work and that get high all day and watch movies you're not going anywhere it's just like it's not going to happen the more you're around other people who have that same mindset you guys will figure it out together MH like I that I think that's the most important thing is your surroundings couldn't agree more to that I had a close old friend that I haven't really been hanging out with recently call me and she was like really struggling like in shambles and everything and she was like what do I do like do you have some advice and I was like yeah like just stop being friends with every single person you're friends with right now and go find like a new friend group that is in the direction you want to go in life yeah and I know that sounds so it's aggressive it's a br it sounds up but it's also like you need good people around you to elevate yourself and it's like if you're not making a lot of money go make some friends that are making more money and they will teach you or you will learn how they're doing it or you'll see their mannerisms that change and all this stuff it's like you can't just expect to grow sitting in the same spot mhm so that yeah that's that would be big piece of advice for people and it sounds I've cut off so many bad people in my life that I'm just like if I'm around you and I don't feel like we're benefiting off each other emotionally um careerwise whatever it may be if there is no like wow we're not building each other up there's no point in being in each other's lives and like I've had to deal with family and a lot of people are incapable of doing that which I understand but it's also just like you got to you only live so long you got to live a good life and a happy life and be surrounded by people you enjoy their company and all that stuff so yeah it's very important to me what's your biggest insecurity my Eczema probably really yeah I hate it I'm not going to be one to downplay other people's insecurities that's not going to be me but I also think yay it could be a better one um no no I don't think that that's I'm not could be a better yeah that's that yeah I've like cuz you can see it on my hands I don't really care about my hands but as a kid o like insides of my legs arms I always wore sweaters and and jeans and everything every day even if it was 100 degrees out no shorts that's rough yeah it's just embarrassing like your whole leg oh yeah it's terrible I wouldn't wish Exon so how do you how do you fix it there is no fix it's just a life long thing there's not a pill there's not like a St steroid take yeah but you don't want to take steroids like my dad my dad has ezema too really bad and like he's done everything steroid shots um steroid ointments everything and he still has it it at in his 60s and or late 50s um but he still has it not as bad as me but like pretty close for doing everything right and like all the medical things right it's like it still comes back still so you're still going to have to deal with it at some point so I'd rather just take the more like holistic route and that might sound dumb but like he's had cataracts twice because of the steroids it's like they they thin everything so it's like if you put if you put um like steroid creams on this it'll just thin the skin out it'll heal it but it'll thin the skin out then you get that paper thin skin you like old people have like all the all the veins through that's what happens so I'm just like I'd rather just find a natural way or just live with it but it does suck what do you think is the biggest problem with Humanity or the biggest threat to humanity I don't know I'm not educated enough to say threat um but I don't like the current mindset of America as far as I don't like how divisive everyone is and I don't like how everything's set in stone like if you have one opinion you're evil or if you have a another opinion you're a saint it's just like I don't know I don't like the way that everything is so if you think this you are this and if you think this you're this it's just like there's kind of no open conversation anymore and I don't like the way that that is right now and the media is very divisive and all this it's just like I I don't like it I feel like everyone social media right now though is it pushes it streams on both ends and then you see you could into a loophole of just being fed propanda on both sides of political everything like religious W like you can just like fall into a rabbit hole and it just keeps feeding you cuz like all these platforms are good at feeding you what you want so if you want to see something extreme you're going to keep seeing something extreme and it's people engage with as well yeah exactly but it makes sense from a algorithm perspective but then you're like what are you doing to these people though like think about it from a human perspective I agree I think like there's really bad intolerance everybody of the other side with regards to every and it goes with everything it's like there's these kids out there who watch Tik Tok all day that get on the work side of Tik Tok that's like the grind harder work harder do this and it's like I agree I agree with all those things I promote those things but also like sitting there listening to motivational edits all day of you need to work harder if you don't know what you're doing there's nothing you could like it it just gets that those kids end up in the same spot where they're like I watch this all day and I want to work all day but I haven't even taken a step in the right direction cuz I'm so busy being like I got to work 12 hours a day or I'm not going to I'm not going to make it it's like what's making it mean like what what do you really want do you want money is that the end all be all goal cuz you're not going to build most likely just off of financial like I want to be a millionaire it's like everyone does what do you want to do what impact do you want to make what career do you want to have what what is the thing but like people are so focused on the finan like I want to make money or I want to do this or I want to buy a house it's like why like I know why I want to buy house I didn't have a stable house Growing Up So owning my own home was a big step for me because I was like this is mine I no one can I can't leave no one can kick me out no one can do this like that's why I want a stable home so I bought it and it's like that was my intention when I started at hype house there was no I'm going to get rich I'm going to do this it was just genuine and then it led to an opportunity to make money through growing on social media and all that but if you so focus on like oh I got to make money doing this are you going to do it you're so focused on like I want to meet the perfect girlfriend or perfect boyfriend is that going to happen if it's all you think about no it's going to happen when you least expect it so it's just like I agree I think like real wealth isn't something you really pursue but it's something more that ensues like it just kind of comes as a byproduct to something else well and you notice like all these I don't know how true this is but you notice a lot of these people like Elon Musk who unbelievably successful it's like he kind of gambled everything back on another business once he made money multiple times like that's Insanity from any logical person's perspective but he's clearly passionate about what he does it's like didn't he pull out so much money to buy Twitter it's like was that a logical decision or was that just what he felt was the right thing to do for him that seemed impulsive to me that's what I'm saying so it's like that's just seem like on a whim it's like I'm going to do it and he I doubt he did that impulsively I bet it was very calculated but I also obviously it wasn't the smart business decision like tried to get out of it yeah I know yeah yeah and they didn't want to sell it to him initially which was a funny thing and he's like no please let me buy it and then he starts getting in contract he's like I want to back out no you can't now I just I think as they say yes he's like well actually yeah if they kept saying no he'd be like no I still want it yeah yeah yeah yeah I think that but I I just look at people like that and I'm like he's someone I look up to entrepreneur wise and I'm just like well if he's willing to gamble at all like you kind of got to do that sometimes and I tell everyone this too when you're young you don't really have anything to lose it's like that was my thought when I started hype house in 20 20 or 2019 I don't know how much money I had in my bank account maybe like 20 grand but I spent every dollar yeah but I was like what am I going to lose like oh I'm going to be 21 with 20 grand or I'm going to be 21 with $1,000 it's the same like you're not really going to change your life with 20 grand like maybe if you're really smart you could buy a chain with that or a cat yeah or one cat yeah you can make bad decisions with that don't I don't advise buying Savannah cats but they are great um but yeah now it's like you kind of got to go all in on yourself and believe in yourself and maybe it'll work if you believe hard enough you might get a chance of success but it's like look you got on here through trying something right seven emails in a row but it's like it worked but if you didn't try true it's just like you got to try something got to go all in on something and maybe it'll work for you all great that was fantastic thank you so much for coming on thank you for being generous with your time we really appreciate it if there's anything you want to shout out go ahead this podcast subscribe hit the like button all your stuff will be left Down Below in the description and until next time see you guys cool thank you so much man