WHY 2025 - Offworld Voyage: Can Training for Mars Exploration Also Address Human Adaptation to Clima

[Music] And now welcome to Y 2025. This is Dra Delius. We're talking about off-world voyage. Basically, if you do build something for Mars and we basically turning this Earth into another Mars, so why can't we join that together? I present you Scott and Elizabeth. >> Hi everyone. >> Thank you so much and thanks to Philid for being our fantastic herald right now. This is Elizabeth Jane Cole. >> Hello everyone. Thank you so much for coming. >> And I'm Scott Bibin. Hi. We're uh the co-founders of Offworld Voyage. And our talk is designing a plant-based Mars base or can training for Mars exploration also solve for adaptation to climate biodevastation on Earth. Okay, so one of my favorite inventors and minds of all time is Buckminister Fuller and he says you never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, you build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Hello, I'm Scott Bibin. I do a bunch of different stuff. I'm an inventor, self-taught engineer, and hacker. Uh, I do stuff at the intersection of science and art. I'm an activist focusing on the environment, social stuff, um, creativity, and other kinds of weird things. Um, I have a lifelong interest in space exploration. When I was a kid, I went to space camp and uh always dreamt of being an aerospace engineer, but I wound up taking a very strange circuitous route which brought me back to um the space world. Um I'm a huge fan of autonomous projects and collectivist projects. I've been involved with a lot of cooperatives and Dows and all other kinds of um experiments and governance. I live off-rid in the city of Philadelphia in the United States. I'm off electric and water grid. Um, and it is sometimes pretty difficult, but it's worth it. I I uh generate all of my electricity with 800 watts of solar panels and 10,000 W hours of batteries. And I have a whole bunch of uh projects that I could tell you about at some other point, but if you wanted to check them out, it's not only off world voyage, but Ancient Scan, Mandelbot Ecotech, Groucho Fractal, Telepathic, the Anahhata Metverse Mystery School, and Evil Twin Booking Agency, which is what I do with Liz. And uh yeah, here's the list of space exploration uh things. I'm an analog astronaut and an alum I'm an alumnist of the Mars Desert Research Station in Utah in the United States. And as mentioned, I'm one of the founders of Offworld Voyage. I created an audio process prototype called Music on Mars with my friend John Not. We made this to simulate the acoustic properties of Mars based upon data by the Mars Perseverance Rover. And I'll show you a little bit about that later. And I'm also one of the core committee members of the journal for space analog research which is initiated by the Mars uh Mars Society. And I'm Elizabeth Jane Cole um also an activist currently a pilot in training um alum of the Mars Desert Research Station. I was the crew journalist for mission 286 and I documented our crew's efforts to produce sustainable vegan food for Mars habitats and also for supporting people on Earth. Um along with a lot of other exciting projects uh the crew did which Scott will get more into later in the talk. Um I'm also a uh core committee member of the journal of space analog research which is a peer-reviewed academic journal um producing publishing research uh that comes out of different space analog facilities. >> Okay, let me adjust your mic there. Okay, >> thank you. >> There we go. >> Okay, so can you tell us a little bit about the overview effect, Liz? The overview effect it's uh the name given to this shift in awareness uh that astronauts report experiencing when they view the earth from above. Uh the term the overview effect was coined by Frank White a writer and um it describes this uh shift in perception astronauts report of how they see themselves in relation to the earth, the biosphere um and uh how they see humans in relation to the environment as well as human constructs like nation states. And um many astronauts have said that if you weren't an environmentalist before going to space, you will be one by the time you return to Earth based on these experiences. Um in fact, you know, there was a study done on this phenomenon. It uh interview did in-depth interviews with 15 different astronauts who had been to space many times analyzing um how their uh experience of the overview effect changed their long-term environmental behaviors, attitudes um in relation to like their uh consumption patterns and level of engagement with environmental activist movements. Okay. So the term that we all need to know in this talk is space analog research. So what is an analog astronaut? Well, here we are doing what some people might call Mars lararping but with a little bit more uh more rigor. Um yes we uh what we do is aside from dressing up in space suits and exploring uh other other worlds on this world we go out and conduct science. We do rigorous experiments in locations that geologically resemble Mars um in various uh in various degrees. There are analog facilities all over the world that address different types of similar uh similarities to Mars. Analog as in analogous uh in this particular case. And there's Liz with Roger Gilbertson during the Mars Desert Research Station Crew 286 mission. Okay, so Mars is one of the most hostile environments that uh humans might um let's see humans might imagine. Sometimes people will say, "Oh, these billionaires want to go fly to Mars and vacation there and whatnot." However, there are a few problems with this. Um one is that it is incredibly deadly. uh just getting there you have cosmic radiation that is bombarding the ship. You have the effects of microgravity and absence of gra well I guess really micro microgravity on the um on the body as we travel through space and then once we actually get to Mars the gravitational field is different than on Earth. Um, also you have an atmosphere that is 174 times less dense than on Earth, but not only 174 times less dense. It is also 97% of it also has 97% composition of carbon dioxide. So if you breathe it um you will die um easily. Uh let's see. Um also the soil on Mars is contaminated with perchlorates and there are probably all other kinds of nasty things there. So um even when uh humans go to Mars, we're going to have a bit of a hard time over there. So that's one of the reasons why we do these uh these simulation training missions. It's a way to it's a way to uh practice for our eventual explorations. So one of the best ways to do something is to start doing it. Practice, practice, practice. So even if it's decades away before humans get to Mars, it's good to start now. Okay. So this is a growing field of training for future space exploration. Um there are many habitats all over the world with varying degrees of fidelity meaning accuracy. Like are some uh some of these places are pressurized? Some of these places are um uh are just in locations that are similar to Mars or other places we want to explore. And uh also there uh there are different types of activities. there are the astronaut activities but then also mission control and support activities. Okay. And you go Liz. >> Sure. So um some examples of currently active uh space analog research facilities are um SAM which is the space analog for the moon and Mars and that is a research facility uh that is at Biosphere 2 at the University of Arizona in the United States and uh SAM is a very highfidelity facility. It is hermetically sealed and um it is a pressurized research facility as well. Uh so it has a fully functioning airlock. The um it has carbon dioxide, oxygen and relative humidity, temperature and barometric pressure monitoring and regulated for the duration of research missions and um computer controlled pressure release valves and flow control. So, it's pretty much as close as you can get to living on the surface of Mars without reducing gravity or dropping the temperature to 63° C. Although, actually, the SAM also does have a uh lowgravity simulator, which is a lot of fun to jump around in. Um, I've had the opportunity to uh to play with it. So some of the research Sam does involves uh using hydroponically grown plants to sequester the carbon dioxide produced by the crew as they breathe. And this is very important because you know all the carbon dioxide exhaled by crew members in a sealed environment will quickly you know turn this your habitat into a deadly dystopia. And um so using a lot of sealed facilities including on the ISS, carbon dioxide is scrubbed chemically. And uh one of the goals of some of the research Sam is doing into using um hydroponically hydro hydroponically grown plants to remove carbon dioxide from the air is to have an entire mission that transitions from a uh physiochemically scrubbed one to a fully plant-based carbon dioxide sequestered. Um, some other examples of facilities, um, there's the Mars Desert Research Station. It's in a desert in Utah that is selected as a geological analog to Mars. This is where Scott and I did our mission. Some of the research done there involves producing food in very stripped down lab environments. Um and um in Europe there is the there's Lunares in Poland which is an interesting facility. It's based on an old military base and it is completely sealed and isolated from the outside world. One of my colleagues did a simulated lunar mission there where he was in complete darkness like no exposure to sunlight for about 2 weeks. So, so it was really interesting being on Zoom calls with him when he was in in there. And um Lunarius has done a lot of research on crew isolation and the psychological effects of that. Um uh Mars Society also runs Flashline which is on Devon Island in Nunvoot, Canada. Devon Island is a polar desert. Um so again a another area on Earth that is pretty similar in some ways to Mars. Um it's at a latitude that actually gives Nuniv kind of a the same a similar solar radiance to what Mars has is at its equator which could be interesting for growing crops. And um the crew that was just at Flashline uh did some pretty interesting research on the abundance of microlastics that they found contaminating the water and the ice up there. Um and contamination is going to be a serious concern for any kind of a long-term presence on Mars. So it's good to study this stuff on Earth. And um the Austrian Space Forum is an organization of scientists and researchers who run missions um research missions all over the world. They've done things in the Riointo area in Spain which is um has a very acidic uh river that is good for doing astrobiology research. And um this image is of a human participant in uh being trained on a lowgravity treadmill simulator that the Austrian space forum uh runs in uh partnership with the European Space Agency and uh and also in the US uh we have Chapa which is at it's a NASA project at the Johnson Space Center. It is a 3D printed habitat uh that holds crew members uh like uh crews of six to eight people for up to a year and uh studies things like the psychological effects of isolation on crew members, how much food they consume, which informs how much weight, you know, we would have to bring on a crude mission to Mars and other factors. And yeah, there's many many other facilities but that's a good sampling. >> Yes. And uh later this year there's going to be a coordinated mission between many of the facilities around the world. It is called Why am I spacing on the name? >> The world's biggest analog. >> World's biggest analog. Yes. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Um yes. And off world voyage hopefully will be part of this. If not, uh we'll be doing our launch uh sometime in 2026, but we're figuring out all all those logistics right now. Okay. So, next part. Uh side quests can lead to things. Yes. Um sometimes it's often great to take non-traditional pathways. Lots of us here at Y are people who took non-traditional pathways to learning lots of things. We throw our entire lives into things that we're passionate about and we make no excuses for it. We just do it. And that's often a really good way of learning things if that's what you're into. So, um, at one point a few years ago, like this is actually how we got into this. We had been traveling around trying to visit some of these analog research facilities. We were trying to visit high seas which is on Monaloa in Hawaii in the United States. And while there I was doing things like uh listening to volcanoes using geophones and this was a little scary but not that scary. It only erupted uh 6 years before this. So it was fairly dormant. However, you still see lots of steam coming out and it was pretty hot. But uh while we were there, we were trying to get onto the campus of High Seas. We went all the way up to the gate and we're lighter scanning some of the uh geological features and waiting for a phone call back from one of the directors. And finally we uh we got back there. We she got back to us and we asked her could please can we go visit the campus? And she said absolutely not. Please do not go up there. And we're like oh fooy. Um, and also while we were trying to negotiate this, another thing happened. We were there during the eruption of Monaloa. That was actually one of the reasons why she said, uh, don't go up there because it was, uh, very dangerous and danger can happen. Here we are quite close to the erupting volcano. Yes. Um, you can kind of see a map in relation of where where High Seas is to the uh to the flow front. Okay, so curiosity, perseverance, and opportunity come a knocking. What happened, Liz? How did we uh get into this whole Mars Desert Research Station nonsense? Well, besides both of us having some backgrounds in science, Scott actually having some background in aerospace research, we're both curious people, um long-term environmental activists. And one morning, our dear friend Roger Gilbertson, he was a producer of the film Who Killed the Electric Car, long-term advocate for sustainable transportation, polymath, many other things. Um, who's also one of the first employees of SpaceX called us and said, "Scott Liz, I am leading uh I'm the crew commander of a mission coming up at the Mars Desert Research Station later this year. Would you like to apply to join the crew?" And we both said yes absolutely yes. And he said wait don't you want to know more about what's involved? And we were like no yes we want to join. Yes. And uh several months later after um coordinating on the mission we wound up joining uh the Mars Desert joining the crew at the Mars Desert Research Station. Crew number 286. Here's our mission patch. You see some uh some of our um mission objectives here. There's a there's a film strip representing uh film making. Ugo Ugo Sauier uh who is a filmmaker whose grandfather was one of the founders of the European Space Agency was doing a documentary film to look at the history of space agencies and uh wanted to connect with his grandfather that he didn't know very well. Above that is the Metalbot Surfa 2 which is one of my uh inventions. It is a scalable uh generalpurpose uh robotic gantry. Um yeah and uh yeah a it's basically was designed to be a 3D printer that prints food and is powered by bicycle. So low power uh 3D food printer. And there's a telescope of course. And to the right uh that looks very very peculiar. This is a bioreactor um that is uh part of Guom Giggo's experiments and Guom was working on creating edible bacteria, edible purple bacteria using uh I guess you using uh some of the gases that were produced on the station >> using uh carbon dioxide exhaled from the crew and also hydrogen gas >> as the electron source. >> Yes. Sorry, I'm a little nervous up here. That's okay. >> Yeah, >> he basically started a party for billions of new uh new mission mates. >> Yes. And then uh finally uh to the right is uh this this is a LAR scanner that I travel around with. This is a uh an industrial LAR scanner. I like scanning things and making uh digital twins um 3D objects and all that other fun stuff. So that was a big part of the mission. Ah, so okay. And then at the bottom is the Mars Desert Research Station and here's the map. So on this map, um, you will see lots of different areas. This is a, uh, Jurassic area. It's protected in a national in a national park in Utah. You see the Mars Desert Research Station is kind of a spot on the map. and some of the roads that were they're actually dirt roads and very difficult to get around. These are some of the places that we explored during the missions there. And this is a LAR scan that I did over the several weeks that we were there. Um, and big thanks to Filipe Quank Galan for helping me assemble this from a bunch of different scans. So, let's see. We'll take a little bit of an exploration of the campus. So, there are some very uh glitched out solar panels, but in the far distance, you see a uh telescope. There are two telescopes there. This is the science dome at the center. Um this is where we conduct science in a dome. And over here on the right that's coming up, we just flew past. That's where we were living. And over here, this is the ram. This is our workshop area. And we're going around on electric golf carts. The covering over there is supposed to be a simulated or this the simulated tubes. This is not a pressurized facility. So, we were able to go outside, but we couldn't go outside of the actual area that was part of the uh part of the simulation. And you see on the back uh door of the habitat is a simulated airlock. So, you can kind of see where we were hanging out for a few weeks. And then over off in the distance on the left as we're zooming in, this is where I did one of my uh one of my music on Mars performances. We set up there during an EVA carded a synthesizer and a bunch of pedals and a bunch of other weird things out there. So, we're kind of off in the distance, but it was uh the first first of which was a failed recording, but then we did a second one which ended up working out pretty well. It's actually pretty difficult to um to play a synthesizer and get everything together when you have all these gloves on and um and you're, you know, breathing with a big heavy pack on you and a big globe on your head. Here we go. Okay, so this is our crew inside of the science dome. I did the first performance of music inside of the science dome. Uh usually it's used for conducting science and uh I somehow convinced them that it was actually um science. Uh well actually I told them it was research say it was science and um and that was satisfactory enough. I Yeah. Okay. Uh, one of the activities that we have is, uh, dawning and doawing. That means, uh, putting your spaceuit on, taking it off. So, that was a bit of a challenge, kind of clipping on the helmets and getting everything together. The, uh, space suits that we had at Mars Desert Research Station just had fans blowing air into our uh, like into into the suit. It wasn't uh, actually pressurized, but it was still pretty difficult to manage. And here we are inside of the simulated airlock about to go out and do activities. And this is uh one of my activities. So um this is kind this is what the music sounds like. My music on Mars uh thing. Let's see. Is it going through? I guess it's not really playing the audio. Uh oh. Hold on here. Let me pause this. Okay, give me one moment. Um, yeah. So, one of the things that's pretty interesting about um about uh the acoustic properties of Mars is that it was discovered that sound uh travels differently than on Earth. On Earth, uh sound travels at uh 343 m/s at sea level. However, on Mars, it travels at both 240 m/s and 250 m/s depending on where you are in the spectrum. And this was discovered by the Perseverance rover team. So I use this data in order to make this uh this filter with um with John not um if you want to watch the like a full presentation about this you can check it out on uh the 37C3 um uh website. There's a video but uh yeah this is a little bit of a what it sounds like if we turn up the audio. Is it not? [Music] Is it getting a signal? What's that? [Music] >> It's all the way up. >> Here we go. Anyway, if you want to check it out. Yeah. Um you can listen listen listen to our listen to it on uh on the CCC uh uh website. Um yes. So one of the other things I was doing in the mission was I uh was collecting uh regalith so dirt and clay and whatnot for 3D printing. So the 3D printer that I made, the uh Metalbot Surfa 2 is actually designed to also print with clay and other types of palone uh materials. So here I am digging some clay. We don't know if there's clay on Mars, but there's definitely dirt. Lots of it. And perchlorates. >> Yes, pllorates. >> You don't want to get that in your space suit or anything else. Okay, this is Liz. And Liz is doing some drone mapping of the terrain. And this is a lighter scanning of the terrain. So, uh, this lighter scan was included in the, um, in that scan that you saw just to kind of get an idea of the scale of of this and how many scans were included in that map. This is Guom who's making the documentary. Okay. So here we are now at the next at the second part. You guys ready to hear about off-world voyage? What we came up with? Okay, now that you guys know about all the other stuff. Okay. Um so I consider um I consider any uh thought that I have in which I don't know if something exists a dare. If I think that something is really neat and I don't know something that exists, I try to make it happen. Um, yes. So, if you haven't heard of something someone doing something yet, it's a good enough reason to try doing it. I think I'm in good company with people here who do exactly that kind of thing as well. And also, one of the other things uh that I encourage people to not be afraid of is the overlap of many different things. So um if you have lots of different interests, never feel discouraged by people who will tell you, oh just try to stay focused. Sometimes it's best to not stay focused. Sometimes it's best to pursue all the interests in multiple directions and then create an umbrella for those things and then you can call that umbrella a thing and then just consider those things underneath it uh components or functions or objects or whatever. Um so one of the things about uh the mission was that that um that the food that that was provided by Mars Society was typical um space analog research uh training stuff. So uh lots of dehydrated food, nothing fresh, just something that can reconstitute. And I brought along a lot of my own food. I've been vegan for a very long time. I find it pretty important. And you're vegan as well for a long time. >> That's right. >> Yes. And uh and we wanted to create a plant-based Mars base by ourselves. So I was pretty inspired by the mission there and uh I was looking around for other for other uh facilities in which to do um in which to do uh our you know our research like could we do you know grow food and and all this other stuff that we wanted to do and I thought like hm well rather than ask for permission from other people why don't we just create something ourselves So introducing off-world voyage. Um yes the whole idea is to create space analog research habitats that also address um survival in the case of climate biodevastation on earth. So, can we use these facilities not only for exploring Mars or moon or other places, but can we use these facilities for surviving in um these uh catastrophes that continue unfolding with the desertification of Earth and um you know, what can we do to kind of reverse those things and can we have a laboratory in which we're making soil in which we're trying to counter the um I I guess the the uh desiccation of life. Okay. 15. Very good. So, here we go. Some reasons. Why do people become vegan? Respectful for sentient beings, care for environment, uh better health, everyday life, boycott of animal agriculture, and for some karmafree telepathic communication with interdimensional entities and extraterrestrials. We were just at Modem Festival and there were definitely a lot of people that probably were vegan for those reasons. I don't know how many of you are vegan for that reason, but I don't know. Okay. Anyway, um yes, uh one of the main reasons why why doing this is that uh animal agriculture is incredibly intensive in terms of its energy consumption and water uh and water consumption. So, uh here we go. Um so I worked on this project about a year and a half ago. I started it um creating the off-world voyage Mars test habitats and Mars in this case stands for Mars analog research stations. Um yes it is a fractal. And I did this uh these uh models with Michael Flood the amazing uh designer. Uh we worked on this for a month and a half. Um these images are on our scans of the um of the Mars Desert Research Station. Uh we may do a mission there sometime in the future, but this is just proof of concept. What you see here are um you see are domes. There are there's a platform and each of these domes has its own particular function. We have um a green hab in which we're growing food. We have a laboratory and workshop in which we make things and do uh and conduct science. We have a living space, a space for dawning and doawing um spacuits and uh yeah and uh airlocks and all this other fun stuff. So, um, we were going to do, uh, our our inaugural mission in the United States later this year, but due to current political realities, we're probably going to do it I mean, we're not pro, we're going to be doing it in some other country. Um, yeah. So, here are some other images of our CAD models. And this is the dawning and doawing area. Okay. And this is what it looks like. Here's a tour of the interior. This is our green hab in which we will be pedal powering uh to create electricity. We'll have um purification of water. We'll be growing algae and also doing aeroponics and hydroponics experiments. Here we go. Okay, so we have storage over here. We're growing fungi as well. This is our lab space, maker space. We'll have lots of lab tools. And uh this is our comm space and storage. Lots of storage, lots of places to um recycle things and put things together. This is another one of our dawning and doawing uh rooms. And then there's the living space over here uh which we have a kitchen and uh kind of flow space. And then we sleep upstairs here inside of some hexerts which were invented by uh Vine Gupta. Um, so yeah, everything packs down into two shipping containers. And there's our sick bay. And Liz is in charge of our bio stuff and sick bay. >> That's right. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, how much time we have left? We're 10 minutes. Okay, cool. Good. Um, okay. So, um, one of our main focuses is on ecote. So, uh, ecologically, uh, sound technologies, the development of, we're huge fans of open- source tech and sharing what we discover. Uh, we're going to be doing pressurized EVAs. EVA is, um, short, it's an abbreviation for extra vehicular activity, which is space talk for >> going outside >> in a space suit. Yes. um our our first um our first bases are designed to be intermediate fidelity. That means that the bases themselves will not be pressurized. However, we will be wearing pressurized space suits for these EVAs. Uh we're looking for locations around the world that have similar geology to Mars. Uh we've been looking at uh some places in Australia and also in Portugal in the deserts. Um the um usually high desert is a good is a good place to uh do this stuff and very remote locations where people will not bother you. Um yeah so um as part of these facilities we'll have the astronaut training facility but then we'll also have a mission support facility. Uh the design for the test rack facilities are all modular and scalable and uh all the narratives that we're going to have will be actual like problem solving uh related. So for example um the delayed networking that happens between uh Earth and Mars or between different bases will have that um we'll have those messages going back and forth and sometimes a message that was sent later will come back earlier and there will be lots of um lots of things to resolve and um the things that actually simulate what the types of problems that we will have in uh in long-distance uh space travel. Uh we'll also have um drills for surviving solar storms and other types of things. Uh okay. Yes. Uh you saw some of these on the base. Here we go. And uh here we are getting fitted with Cameron Smith for our space suits. These are this is inside of his um his laboratory. I showed these pictures to my friend Peter Young and he said, "You got fitted for space suits in an anarchist bookstore." Anyway, that's this is his apartment and it's fantastic. It's filled with books. We like books and there are many of them. And to the right um over of where I am in my uh my fancy outfit um you can see some of the space suits that he's made. And voila. These are the Off-World Voyage um custom pressurized EVA suits. We've just had them made. We haven't tried them on yet, but I'm really excited to and we're going to be uh using these during our world's biggest analog mission later this year. Okay. Um so, very important. Um we consider uh space exploration a a very crucial part of pushing um pushing science forward in a huge way. It's a very very difficult set of problems to solve when solving for uh space exploration. And it's problematic in that we have this attack on science and rationality by these um right-wing populist uh forces that are attempting to u hide and obuscate information and crash satellites uh that are doing great weather research uh crash them right into the the earth. And so how do we go forward with with um with this? Well, you know, we uh we treat this as activism and uh yeah, and we're very clear about our our aims in protecting uh rational thought. Okay. So, here are some of the other things that we are thinking about. Um and uh yeah, so we have lots of different um lots of different uh thought processes in creating some of these narratives that are within our thing. Okay. And uh yeah, we have uh real life simulations as mentioned earlier. Um and here we go. I mentioned all these other activities. Oh yeah, one of the things I mentioned uh composting of all biioaterials. So, we're going to be taking all the biioaterials, including human waste and food scraps and whatnot, and doing things with those things like turning the gases into bioplastics and using those gases for cooking fuels and trying to really think about how we can reduce our uh reduce our consumption and um turn things that we think of as waste into useful things and not really think of anything as waste at all. Okay. Um, lots of gadgets to play with, of course. Uh, we all like making things and, uh, this this thing will be no exception. Okay. Food production. Yes. And one of the other things too is that we'll have um human behavioral studies. We've been talking to a lot of psychologists and anthropologists about how people interact in isolated conditions. when we were isolated at the Mars Desert Research Station, some very unique types of conflicts came up while we were all um experiencing cabin fever and some of us were not as neighborly as we normally are in everyday life. So, it was a very interesting thing to kind of watch what was happening. Okay, got it. Um and uh yeah, one of the things that probably will happen in space amongst crews will be sex and intimacy. the thing that never really is talked about in uh you know in these um these um uh adventures in space. Why don't we talk about these things? Well, we will talk about these things. And uh the other thing too is um you know doing meditation. Uh some people have proposed doing some stuff with psychedelic research and anthogens and empathogens and other stuff like that. Uh so that's a discussion and also reaching flow states. Um I mentioned some of these other things. Yes, we're also going to be um experimenting with mesh networking in order to communicate um using things like meshtastic and lura and probably bit chat as well. Yes, there's ravel over there. Thanks a lot for working on that. Yay. Okay. Um and we'll be documenting uh everything as well. Here we go. Um, okay. So, um, yes, this is one of your quotes. >> Well, quickly because I think we're running low on time. Um, we're almost done. >> Almost done. >> No, do it. I think that these um research missions um they solve for a lot of problems that would come up in actual crude space flight and it's a good opportunity to test out a lot of things before spending the time and money to actually fly them. Uh but I think these missions are also a great container and a context for uh advocating for open research and um finding new ways of distributing and supporting uh independent scientific research which is something that is currently under attack in the country that we come from. >> Okay. So, here's a bit more about what we're doing and okay, some more thoughts. Okay. And uh we're going to be doing a lot of uh project documentation. Um actually, if you want to participate in what we're doing, we need help with that. Um yeah, so here are some of our models for support and uh the timeline. So we've already done the CAD and the systems design. Uh so I've done all the engineering and everything painstakingly with Michael Flood uh for the test habitats. Um and we have the EVA pressure suits. We're ready to go and build everything. And uh now we're just uh location scouting for our missions and uh starting to uh do the fundraising and grant writing. Everything we've done so far has been out of pocket and we're uh looking for um crew members and people to help out. We're probably going to do our first prototyping mission over the course of a two-month uh to three-monthl long period if you if any of you are interested in participating. So reach out and here we go. This is uh what we're looking for. Basically, analog astronaut crew members, uh mission control and mission support volunteers, uh researchers. We're looking for people to build and maintain technical infrastructure, uh scouting for locations on Earth, uh administrative assistance, grant writing, smart contracts, all that. And uh yes. Oh, uh your announcements. >> Well, uh again, the world's biggest analog is happening later this fall. that is a kind of collaborative effort between a lot of different space analog research facilities and groups all over the world. um they're all running coordinated missions around around the same time um later this fall. And uh the Journal of Space Analog Research um is currently taking paper submissions um if any of you are you know researchers um who study human involved um uh work that would contribute to knowledge on crude space exploration. Um submissions are open. And also the article submission fee is waved. >> Yes. Okay. Thank you guys so much. And uh let's see. Huge thank to the Y2025 content team. Uh you guys are all amazing and big thanks to for being the herald and uh yeah this is a huge this is our thank you list and here we go. This is how you stay in contact. Thank you guys. And uh yay. >> Thank you. >> Okay we have some questions. >> Thank you very much. Um, sorry we already run out of time. So if you have questions, we can take a side because we closing I guess this one down and I have to run to the next one.