Who Is Sadhguru? | PBD Podcast #778

Life doesn't die suddenly. When we are born, we got our death sentence. We are only trying to kick the can around a bit. You been a rebel since day one since you were a kid. I know I will die a failure in my life, no matter what I do. My blessing is you die a blissful failure. If life goes as quickly as we know it does, what is the most important [music] thing in life? When it's such a brief life, if you want to do little things, there's lots of time. If you want to do something big, there's not enough time. In the middle of nowhere, this planet is floating around and you and me sitting here and blabbering like this, not knowing a damn thing. If both of us are peaceful, this room is peaceful. As simple as that. This place is peaceful right now. Yes? Depends. >> [laughter] >> Can a successful, ruthless businessman be at peace? >> [laughter] >> What would you say I should dedicate my life to? See, you are trying to drop like a 10 Commandments from whatever I'm speaking. Don't do that. What is true is only what you have experienced. Rest is all imagination and belief. You have what a boring life [music] though, no? Very wrong approach. >> Really? You make it seem like it's easy. It's not easy to do for most people. Some things you should know only by experience. >> [laughter] >> Do you think you know? >> [music] >> Adam, what's your plan? The future looks bright. [music] My handshake is better than anything I ever signed right here. >> [music] >> You are a one of one? >> My son's right about that. I don't think I've I've ever said this before. So a lot of students from Iran and Southern India They used to study there because I think that's when the revolution happened. Pre-revolution you're thinking or post? Uh when that happened when the Baha'i people mostly Baha'i people were all studying in India. Like thousands of them. My sister married a Baha'i guy. Yeah, Baha'i is they they believe you can get to heaven from eight different prophets or eight different ways and they have a they have a it's a very interesting community. But Sadhguru it's great to finally do this with you. Sitting down having a conversation. We've we've been trying to do this for a while and uh but I'm glad. I know for the audience the audience who knows you they know you. For the audience that doesn't know you uh your students your reach is all over the world. I mean we were talking about the location you have in uh Southern India 10,000 square miles. Your location in Tennessee 23,000 acres. You guys have that beautiful statue of 112 feet in India which we were just talking about a minute ago which people visit. You get billions of views. A lot of people call you rebellious a little bit. Like you're a rebel. I don't know why you're a rebel, you [laughter] know. Interesting people follow your teaching Will Smith, Matthew McConaughey, Logan Paul and others but it's great to finally have you here with us. So I got a simple question for you, okay? I'm 47 years old. We just celebrated my dad's 84th birthday, okay? And we know how life is. Life goes by fairly quickly. Okay? I feel like just yesterday I was 23 years old like an hourglass, right? If if life goes as quickly as we know it does, what is the most important thing in life in your opinion? You must have a vehicle like that. Say that again. You must have a vehicle like that. >> Yes. To move fast enough. Yes. >> [laughter] >> Well, that one doesn't have an engine. I need an engine on that one to go fast. But I'm saying you must be F1. >> [laughter] >> Do you really believe that? To to move fast to be >> If you value your life because for what potential a human being carries even if you live for 100 it's just not enough. For the potential If you want to explore the potential of being human if you know if you live in a limited way 100 years may be too much. But uh if you explore the full depth and dimension of what it means to be human 100 years is just nothing. So, you need to be like an F1 machine. Really? So, for you it's like to the most important thing is to seek what your biggest potential is, like your what your capacity is get close to it. No, I'm not uh I'm not saying I'm in a race or something. What I'm trying to say is if you're conscious that you're mortal which I think everybody should be. Unfortunately, they're surprised always. You know, surprised means so foolishly surprised. The most obvious thing in our lives is we are mortal. We will die one day. Mhm. But most people believe that other people die. >> [laughter] >> They never think they will die. The other people die. They're dying people. No, no, you and me will die. >> [laughter] >> So, they're like they always think uh It'll never happen to me, you know. I'll never get sick. I I'll never get cancer. It's the other guy that's going to happen to, but not to me. >> I get it. So, uh How do we deal with that? How do we deal with the fact that >> you uh just 2 years ago and there was a sage in southern India in Karnataka. And uh he He 111, 111 years of age. That man spent his entire life in service. He did so much work all his life. Mhm. He became a monk when he was 17 years of age and he lived a dedicated life. And he was still working hard and doing things, but unfortunately he slipped and fell and broke his hip. Uh Which is the worst thing to do at 111. >> Yes, but out of that he didn't recover within a few days. He died. So, all the newspapers reported he suddenly died. They came and asked me, "What do you think? This was such a great man." That man at 111, how does somebody die suddenly, huh? What are you guys made of? At 111, you die suddenly? No. A full life and well, you need some reason. Something has to break to die. Either your heart has to break, liver has to break, head has to break. Something has to break. Uh well, fortunately for him without spending too much time hanging around in a hospital, he died within 3 days after the fall. So, I'm saying life doesn't die suddenly. When we are born, we got our death sentence. We are only trying to kick the can around a bit. So, when it's such a brief life for the intelligence invested in us, for the potential invested in us, if you want to explore something, then you have to move fast. Got it. So, you're you're about There's two mindsets, okay? And and I'm having a conversation with one of my friends. His name is John. And we're talking about the the statement about, you know, time is running out. We don't have a lot of time left. And he says, "Elon Musk told me something." He says, "Elon told me time is running out, but we also have a lot of time left. Which one do you believe in?" I don't believe anything. The fact is, uh, time is running quickly. Depends on what you want to do with your life. If you want to do little things, there's lots of time. If you want to do something big, there's not enough time. Wow. Wow. And what what's what's the difference? Because in not enough time, the the big things require more diligence, the more focus. Why why do you say that? Well, it means needs more effort and time. Like this Shall I tell you my self story? Please. >> [laughter] [snorts] >> This happened when I was 25. One afternoon, I'm sitting somewhere and I'm fine. I'm By that day's standards, I'm extremely successful. I've started about half a dozen businesses in about five years, and all of them doing well. Everybody clapping their hands. When everything that you're doing is working well, and you're young, and everybody clapping their hands, slowly you're beginning to think, uh, the planets are going around you, not around the sun. So, I'm saying I'm not arrogant, but I'm a bit cocky, and there. Enjoying everything that's happening around me. And, uh, I just sat there in one place, and suddenly I did not know which is me and which is not me. All that All that Till then, my life was this is me, that's you. I have no issues with you, but that's you, this is me. >> Mhm. Suddenly, I did not know which is me which is not me. I was sitting on a hill. Everything felt like me. Like what was me was just all over the place. I thought this lasted for 10 15 minutes, but when I came back to my normal consciousness, about 4 and 1/2 hours had passed. I didn't realize the time. For the first time in my adult life, tears were coming. Me and tears were impossible. But here I was. And then every cell in my body was dripping with ecstasy. I I was a super skeptical person. I'm skeptical about everything. And when I shook my head and asked myself, "What am I doing here? What's happening?" The only thing my mind could tell me was maybe you're going off your rocker. 25 years old. >> Yes. Then I asked my closest friends, "Hey, something is happening to me. I'm just blissed out. If I sit here, I think it's 2 minutes 6 7 hours are gone. I'm just completely, you know, smashed out within myself." They said, "Ah, come on. What did you drink? Did you find mushrooms in the hill?" This is the kind of thing I knew there was no context for me. So, I experimented with this. Then I discovered if I simply sit here, if I remove my hands off my psychological process, every cell in my body bursts out with ecstasy. Today, we have proven this in the laboratories. Some other top scientific laboratories in this country, we have proven this that if you do this that the bliss factor is up in a huge way. The endocannabinoids in the brain are up by 70% in a matter of 6 weeks of practice. So, when I realized there's nothing to be done if you just simply sit here without touching your physiological power process or your psychological process, every cell in the body bursts out with ecstasy. Chemistry itself becomes ecstatic. Today, we have substantial scientific evidence for this. Then I thought, "Who wouldn't want to be blissful? Free. No drug, no alcohol, no nothing. Don't have to go to heaven. Sitting here, you are ecstatic. Who doesn't want it?" So, I I was 25, and I sat down and made a plan. I had the world's geography in front of me, and I made a plan in 2 and 1/2 years time on that day the world's population was 4.82 or 8 84 somewhere there and I said I will make the whole world blissful the entire humanity blissful in 2 and 1/2 years time. It is 44 years now. >> [laughter] >> Since then since 25. >> Yes. It's nearly 45. Now well people say I've touched over 2 billion people that's not my idea of the world 8.4 billion they've increased the population almost doubled since then. Well I know I will die a failure in my life no matter what I do but I will die a blissful failure. So I'm saying a whole lot of people are setting up petty goals for themselves and then I say I did it I did it like this what's the point of this? Human imagination human capacity to think and project is such that if you really apply yourself what you want to do cannot be done in one lifetime. So my blessing is you die a blissful failure. If you think you're a great success that's because you had petty goals. You have petty goals. >> Yep. Small goals. >> Yes. Got it. So no matter what if somebody is pursuing big goals you have to accept the fact that that person's going to probably end up being a blissful failure. You're not going to fully reach your potential. >> You cannot. Mhm. It's just that if you take two steps next generation may take two more steps or 10 more steps we don't know. At this phase of your life by the way when you're when you're saying all this stuff what what is your core principle? Like if somebody if somebody asked me Pat you spent time with Sadhguru for a couple hours I said I did. What is his core three principles? What would I tell that person? I don't have any principle Life is my only principle. Everything else is made up in your head, isn't it? My principle versus your principle, we can have a fight. But if you ask this life and that life, it's the same thing. Tell me more. I'm saying the nature of life on this planet is such, whether you take an ant or an elephant or a human being, fundamentally all life wants to do the same thing. It wants to become a full-fledged life. With an ant, we know what is full-fledged. He's always striving to striving to be a full-fledged life. Just try to restrict him and see how he will fight for it. Little guy. Elephant, of course, he will fight. Everybody will fight. Even including a plant is fighting to be a full-fledged plant or a tree. Only problem with the human being is a human being does not know what is a full-fledged human being. He's always confused about it. Because in nature nature has drawn two lines for all the other creatures. Between these two lines, they live and die. But for a human being, the top line has kind of faded away. So, what is full-fledged human being is not defined. So, essentially a human being is free, but he's struggling with his freedom. It's like if you put a bird in a cage and feed it nicely, he becomes a fat bird. Then one day you take away the door, but he won't fly. Most human beings are in this condition. Though evolution has removed the top line for us, we could be anything we wish to be, we don't do that. We try to live like animals identifying with limited things because we've gotten used to the comfort of the cage that we don't mind giving up the flying. Cage where we feel like we are locked in and we can't be free. No, no, not like that. Not like that. People are always trying to bind themselves to something or somebody or whatever because freedom is a scary thing. Sure, I agree. All the identities that people are taking up whether a family or nationhood or religion or race or whatever else. Essentially, they're trying to bind themselves to define themselves. But the whole process of evolution was to get us to a place where we could be be beyond definition. All other creatures are defined. They are creatures, that's why. But you are the only one who's called a being, right? We don't call an ant an ant being. An elephant an elephant being, we don't do that because they cannot choose how to be. They can only respond or react to the stimuli that comes to them. To some extent, they can decide, but it's very limited. But once you're a human being, irrespective of what's around you, you can choose how to be within yourself. So that is why you're a human being. Too many human beings are trying to defy that possibility and act like creatures reacting like every other creature. You you have a 35-year-old daughter, right? We're talking about family earlier. I think you said if I'm not mistaken. Uh what what are you telling your daughter when she's young? Are you telling her, "Honey, you can grow up to be anything you want to be?" Or how are you shaping her mindset when she was younger? When she was very young, when she was 3 and 1/2 months old, she started traveling with me. So, always we are traveling different places and every other day we're in a different home because I always stayed in many people's homes. So, she grew up without too much identity like that. And as a rule, I told everybody don't teach her anything. Don't teach her anything. >> Yes, don't teach her ABC, 1 2 3, Mary had a little lamb because I don't care whether Mary had a lamb or not. Okay. [laughter] Okay. Just leave her alone because a child's intelligence is a certain kind. They're drinking in life. Let them drink in life. Why are you corrupting it with your ideas and nonsense? So, I told them you can play with her, you can be with her, you can chat with her, but no teaching anything. No nursery rhymes, no ABC, no 1 2 3, no nothing. So, she just grew up because I treated her like I would treat any other adult. So, she never realized that she's a child. She went about doing things. When there are big issues and problems, I said, "Hey, this is what the issue is. What shall we do?" means she would come up with her own wacky answers to those situations, which is way beyond a child normally. But, child has a certain intelligence. A child is much closer to life than most adults are. Instead of learning from a child how to be life, adults are busy teaching their rubbish to them all the time. So, let me skip those things and then I wouldn't have sent her to school, but my travels were too crazy. I had to send her to a school where there's minimum amount of schooling. When she was around 13 years of age, something happened in the school which upset her. She came home and At 13? Yeah. And then she said, "You're teaching everybody so many things. You're not telling me anything." I said, "See, I don't do anything unsolicited. Now that you have come, sit down." Then I said, "This is all you have to do in your life. Never look up to anybody." Then she looked up, you know, her eyebrows went up like this. "What about you?" kind of expression on her face. I said, "Especially me. If you look up to me, probably you will nail me to the wall. It's no use. You must see me how I am, the way I am. It is of immense value because I'm here, there, everywhere at the same time. You must look at me just the way I am. Don't look up to me. Never look up to anybody. That's never look down on anybody. If you do not If you look up to somebody, you will exaggerate things in a positive way. If you look down on somebody, you will invent negative things about them. If you don't look up or look down, you look level at life the way it is. Effortlessly, you will navigate your life. Yeah. She is a living manifestation of that today. Uh what does she do today? What does She is a classical dancer. She's a classical dancer. Oh, that's right. And her husband's a top five classical uh uh musician, which is pretty amazing. So, never look up, never look down. If you look up, you exaggerate. If you look down, you will look for negative things. >> Yes. That's interesting to be thinking about. Now, your parents, mom and dad, who had a bigger influence on you as a child? >> I never was influenced by anybody. They tried, but they couldn't. Re- Even when you were a kid? >> Yes. So, you you you've been a rebel since day one, since you were a kid? The thing is, these words These are all clichéd words. People say you're a rebel, you're this, you're a revolutionary, whatever. Essentially, it's like this for me. When I was just 4 and 1/2 years of age, one day I suddenly realized I don't know anything. Don't know anything means I don't know anything at all. So, if somebody gives me a glass of water, I'm staring at this water for 3 4 hours at a stretch because I don't know what the water is. I know I can drink it. I know how to use it. But I don't know what it is. Actually, even today you don't know what it is. Even today you don't know what it is. If you find one drop of water somewhere in another planet, we say life is possible. Yes? Mhm. 72% of your body is water. Mhm. So, with all the scientific knowledge, we still do not know what one atom really is. We know how to use it. We know how to fuse it. We know how to break it. We know how to explode it on somebody else. But we don't know what it is. That's how fantastic this creation is. But we want to draw conclusions all the time. So, if I found a leaf, I'm just staring at it 5 6 hours. If I sit up in the night in my bed, I'm just staring at the darkness for the whole night. My father >> [laughter] >> my dear father being a physician, he started thinking I need psychiatric evaluation at 4 and 1/2. Yeah, from 4 and 1/2 onwards. So, I'm just staring at something like this. I can't take my eyes off because I still don't know what this is. I can't shift my eye attention to something else. When I don't know what this is, how do I go to this? Mhm. So, in this condition, they send me to school. >> [laughter] >> My mother said, "You don't stare here and there. Pay attention to the teacher." I went and paid attention to the teacher. The kind of attention they would have never received in their life. [laughter] So, initially they're talking something. I kind of understood what they're trying to say. Then after some time, I realized they're just making noises. I'm making up the meanings in my head. See, if I start speaking in any of the South Indian languages right now, it'll be just sounds for you, isn't it? But if you can speak Farsi, it's just sound for me. Mhm. Language is a conspiracy between both of us. I make one sound, you make up the meaning. So, when I realized, I was just 4 and 1/2, I realized they're just making sounds. I'm the one who's making meanings in my head. Hour after hour, different teachers come, they make noises, noises, and go. So, I decided not to make meanings out of it. Just listen to it full attention. I'm listening, listening, listening the funny sounds they're making, making, making. >> [laughter] >> It was so amusing that a big smile spread on my face. But they were not amused. >> [laughter] >> So, my schooling went like this. Most of the time, I got lost on the way. Sometimes, I went when they caught me. Otherwise, mostly I got lost. And uh about 17 17 18 years ago, I think, the school where I studied over 55 years ago, they came and said that uh it is their 125th anniversary, and I must come. I said uh please the trustees had come. Said, "See, I'm not a good example for you students. I'm not just a not good student. I was not even a student." >> [laughter] >> I only came there when it was absolutely necessary. Otherwise, I never came there. Why me? Then they said, [laughter] "Our school has produced federal ministers. Our school has school has produced film stars." >> So, you went to a very good school. It was a good private school. >> it was reasonably, yes. Okay. I don't know whether it's good or not. >> [laughter] >> I was not a judge But that school produced you federal ministers. So, it's like Federal ministers, film stars, cricketing stars. >> Private school. Private school. >> How many students total? That school must have been 1,500. >> Okay, so it's a good size school. Yeah. Okay. So, you are the only mystic. You must come. I said, "Okay." And I went there. So, the same quadrangle, the same oppressive buildings all around you. I just looked around. Couple of big trees which was there when I was a student there. That was also gone. They'd built something else up there. Then I looked around. What to say to these people? Then I saw this classroom and I suddenly remembered. I was 12 years of age. One afternoon, the teacher is asking me some question. By then, I've come to a place if I look at you, I know your past, present, and future, but I don't hear what you're saying. I can see so many things, but you know, my attention is such that the sounds that you utter are just going somewhere, but I know everything about other things that are happening within you. So, the teacher is asking some question. I'm full attention. I'm not distracted. Full attention. But I don't hear what he says. So, for about 35 minutes, he makes effort to get some response from me. Those are times when I did not speak for days on end because when you don't know anything, what do you say? I played. I went to the field and played every day. But classroom, I had skipped. Because they want me to talk this and that. I don't want to talk something that I don't know. So, after 35 minutes, he got so mad with me. He held me by the shoulder, shook me violently like this. Teacher. Uh-huh. You must be either the divine or the devil. I think you are the latter. Till then, my problem was what is this? What is that? what is I have a billion questions, a cloud of questions around me cuz I don't know about anything. One thing I was sure of, this is me. This guy confused me about this also. Is this divine, is this devil, what the hell is this? Then I tried to look stare at myself, it didn't work, so I started closing my eyes. My journey began. Initially minutes, hours, days, I closed my eyes, closed my eyes, closed my eyes. And here I am. Got it. So meditation was a big part of your life. It I wouldn't call it meditation because English word meditation doesn't mean anything. It's just intensity of life. Intensity of life. >> Yep. So all you got is just life, rest is all made up in your head. Have you seen Have you been to anybody's funeral? Many. May Why what happened to you? I'm in insurance business. >> [laughter] >> He sells a lot of policies. A lot of policy. I thought it'd happen in Iran. >> No, no. >> [laughter] >> Iran, military, insurance business, you know, you get clients that pass away, but yeah, I've been to many. Okay. Have you been to many? No, I've been Okay. So if you go to a this thing, the funeral, that guy is lying lying down there properly dressed and proper posture, that guy never had such a good posture in his life. >> [laughter] >> Now he's proper like that. Yeah. You go and tell him yesterday was hopping around for many things. Tell him you won the Tennessee state lottery, 130 million dollars. You think he's going to sit up? No. Why is he not interested? You tell him we found a huge diamond in your backyard, will he sit up? No. The the when you're a young man, whatever you were interested in, under clothed young woman, you talk about them, will he sit up? No. What happened to him? He lost only one thing, life. How come he's lost interest in all these things? Because that's all you have. Rest of it is god damn imagination, isn't it? Your misunderstanding, your psychological activity as an existential process. This is the biggest problem with human beings. Your drama, your thinking is life. Mhm. Drama that's happening in your head in the form of thoughts and emotions. You're thinking it's life itself. It's not life, it's your drama. You can conduct it whichever way you want. Because you're such a bad director of this drama, you think life is going wrong. Because you're such a bad director of this drama, you think life is going wrong. So >> Tell me if your thoughts and emotions just happen the way you want, will you be blissed out every moment? If it's the way you want. Yes. Why don't you do that? That's all I did. >> [laughter] >> I've not fixed the whole world, I fixed myself. >> Yeah. It's It's It's but it's a very hard thing to You make it seem like it's easy. It's not easy to do for most people. >> Well, tell us how simple it is cuz, you know, 95 99% of the world has a hard time with this. See, do one thing. You are in Miami. You see only sunrises probably. But you do one thing tomorrow, you face west and try to watch the sunrise. Mhm. Maybe you'll break your neck. It's very hard. So, if you try to do something the wrong way, Mhm. it'll be very hard. What How you do things outside, if you try to do the same If you try to employ the same method to do the subjective thing, of course it'll be very hard. What what what from your experience having dealt with as many people as you have, what what do we waste most of our lives thinking about that we shouldn't be. Thinking itself is a waste of time. Tell me more. See, a human being has intelligence and intellect. Intelligent and intellect? >> Yes. Okay. >> There is intelligence. There is intellect. What did you have for lunch or breakfast today? Uh Alper, my Turkish chef, made me some Turkish food. It was good salad, good soup, and whatever the meat was, it was tender. It was good. Somebody died for you. That's all I can tell you. >> [laughter] [snorts] >> So, uh whatever you eat, whatever that is, Uh-huh. plant, animal, this, that, are you using your intellect and digesting it, or there's a deeper intelligence which is doing all this and making this into human body? I'm now using intellect. There's a deeper intelligence which is doing that. >> Yeah, for sure. So, there is intelligence and there is intellect. Intellect works only with the limited data that you have gathered. Yes or no? Can you think of something that you've never encountered? Can I think of something I've never encountered? >> Never encountered, never heard of, you were not conscious of it. Can you think about that? Can I think of something I've never Can I imagine a life I've never encountered? Yes. Can I think of something I've never encountered? No. >> cannot imagine. You will imagine something which is an exagger- exaggeration of what you already know. Okay. You cannot think of something which is simply not for which there's no data inside. >> Well, maybe I got to find the mushrooms you took 40 years ago, because maybe maybe >> didn't the mushrooms. >> You were You were telling [laughter] me you thought you were on mushroom. I just thought that I was on mushroom. >> So, okay, so >> Your intellect works only on data. Your intelligence is not of that sort. Your intelligence is life itself. Life is an intelligent process. So, instead of being that intelligence, you've given too much value this to this intellect. This entire thing has happened because I don't know, people may think it's controversial. Uh but this human thought has become very important only because of European influence on the world. Otherwise, in India, we don't attach any importance to what you think. You can think whatever you want because we know you can't think anything beyond your data. Can your computer operate beyond its data? No. Then why are people so insecure about AI? Because they know it will handle data better than them. It's a fear. Some people are fearing that Yes, because it will handle data better than them. See, we have created a world where if you read three books, you can become a school teacher and screw up the next generation of people. You read 10 books, you become a professor and bore the hell out of people. >> [laughter] >> You read just one book and you become an agent of God. I read nothing and people accuse me that I'm a mystic. This is a strange world. So, with little data, people have been running businesses for long time. Now, a simple machine, your phone, can carry a million times more data than your brains. So, people are feeling insecure. Do you think there's any benefit to math? To mathematics? Mathematics. Well, that's the only thing which is uh which human beings have kind of come to which can connect with the physical realities of the existence if you take it to a certain level. Is there a benefit to it? Cuz you're saying don't think. So, if you're saying you're in school, you're not listening to the teacher. No, no. Do we need math? Do we not need math? Mathematics is not because of your thinking, because of observation. This 10 fingers are there because you're thinking you have 10 or because it is there? It is there. It is there. Right. So, we just learn to count it in a certain way. Right. But uh it is already there, isn't it? Sure. Yes. So, we didn't invent it. It is there, we observed it. Right, but you are taught mathematics. So, if you're saying at 25 you had a half a dozen businesses, you had to be good in numbers, no? Of course. Okay, I have 10 fingers, too. But I hope you made more than $10. A lot more. Okay, so then you don't have a million fingers. Cuz I know you've done well. It's just it, see, we are Indians. We invented the zero. We know how to add zero to 10. Sure. >> How many zeros is the question? That's all, right? >> Right. Right. So, so but but when you say when you say, you know, the idea of not needing to learn >> No, no. No, I'm not saying there's no need to learn. All I'm saying is there is no distinction between intelligence and intellect. >> Intellect Let's say intellect is in one part of your head and it's like your phone. There are a lot of people who are addicted to the phone. They can't keep it down. They're going into rehabilitation. >> Sure. So, this is the same condition. You don't know how to keep your intellect aside and just employ the other aspects of your life. All the time it's on. From what? From the limited data that you have. Same things it's repeating in permutations and combination. >> Mhm. It cannot come up with anything new, but your intelligence is not like that. If you give it necessary focus, it'll penetrate into anything and open doors in the universe. You said something to your daughter. You said I I won't teach anyone unsolicited unsolicited. What Why is that? Why is that a Uh because it won't work. >> [laughter] >> Cuz it's like the whole concept of when the student is ready Yes, one is receptive. Sure. What is the point pouring things on them? You go and pour water on a rock, will a tree grow out of it? No. No, you have to wait for it to melt down to become soil. When do you know that the student's ready? Huh? When do you know the student's ready? >> I can see the eagerness in their face. Purely based on the eagerness. >> The people ask me, "Sadhguru, how long will you live?" I said the day I see any boredom in your faces, I'll be gone. If I don't see thirst in your faces, I'll be gone. Who do you think you are? Like if the average person who Who do you think you are? If the mirror's put in put in front of you, who do you think Sadhguru is? Just pure life. No no mess up with anything. No philosophy, no ideology, no belief system, no nothing. I have not been messed by the world in which I live. I'm just the way the creator intended life to be. A lot of siblings? Huh? A lot of siblings, brothers, sisters, or no? Brother, one, two sisters, one passed away. And where are you at in the Sorry to hear about one of your sisters, but >> last one, so You're the youngest. >> Yes. Which makes sense. Have you ever seen these videos when it's four kids and the youngest one is the most vibrant, craziest one out of all of them. We have four kids. And our youngest one is very different than the other three. Do you think there's something there where you kind of watch your siblings or no? >> No. I didn't pay attention to them. I knew them very well, but close, but I was close, very close to the family and friends, but I was aloof, too, very aloof. I just spent a lot of time in the jungles, forest areas around the city. If I found 10 rupees at that time, I bought two loaves of bread and a couple of eggs, and I disappeared into jungle. When I ran out of food after 3 days, 4 days, I came back. So, there would be searches all over, police complaints and everything, but after some time they realized wherever he goes, he comes back. Even till today? Even till today you find yourself going back home? Uh Now, there are too many homes all over, so wherever I go, I say it's my home. So, no problem. >> [laughter] >> That's interesting. What what would you say, you know, for someone like you, I'm curious what how you would answer this. What do you think is your biggest accomplishment in life? I don't know accomplishments. You said you don't have any accomplishments? >> No, I don't think so. I'm just doing my best. That's about it. I don't make big deal about what's happened because I know I in my in my perception, I'm not even doing 2% of what I can do because to create situations which are conducive to create what you can do is very difficult in the world. Why? Because it took convince everybody that it's this is possible, to make them see this is possible to do this. I told you I thought I will get everybody blissed out in 2 and 1/2 years time, >> [laughter] >> but everybody is so invested in their miseries, you can't get them out of it though they want to be blissful. It's not that they don't want. They want to be. But they can't make up their mind. That's interesting. What's been What's been the most difficult thing you dealt with? Even today? Do you have challenges with anything in your life that you have a hard time with? There are many many challenges every day. There's no day without challenges. And I don't have a hard time with it. I I don't give myself a hard time. And I've not given this freedom to anybody that they can give me a hard time. So you don't give people the freedom to give you a hard time. >> No. Okay. So how does one do that? So >> this is possible because I'm not a vested interest in any way. Right now, I get 100 people together and start doing this. Mhm. If 50 people in that just go the wrong way or don't do it, drop it halfway. I will try to inspire them, get the get it done. >> Mhm. Mhm. But whether that's done or not done is not of any consequence to me personally. It's useful to people. If it happens, it's good for the world. Well, if you you are the world if you don't want to do it. That's about it. So wherever I see any possibility, I start something. People are always scared. Sadhguru, if it doesn't work, what to do? I said if it doesn't work, what? What's the problem if it doesn't work? We made an attempt. It didn't work. So just about anything, whether it's agriculture, environment, health, education, you name it. In every field I'm there. Now many things have come to such a scale that we have become global leaders in some of those things. But many other things have not worked. But I don't think they're failures. At least we made an attempt. Maybe somebody else will carry it on tomorrow. But the important thing as a human being if you do not do what you cannot do, no problem. But if you do not do what you can do, you're a disastrous life in my perception. I don't want myself or anybody around me to be that kind of disasters because this is the problem with most human beings. They're not even doing what they can do. Because they have fear of failure. What is failure in this life? You'll die one day. Hello? Everything that you think must happen, you attempt. It may happen, it may not happen. Because for anything to happen, the situations have to be conducive. World has to receive you. World may reject some things that you say. Well, big people well, Gautam Buddha was poisoned, Mansour was poisoned, and Jesus was nailed. Uh well, you can say they're failures. They're not failures. They did what they could do. People were who they were around them. Do you read a lot? Are you a big reader or no? One time, way back, but I don't get much time to read anymore. >> way back. See, what I did was after I finished my high school, I took a year's break because I decided I'll educate myself. I don't want to go through the education because it was quite silly for me to go sit in a classroom and they're talking some stupid stuff for 1 hour, which is in 5 minutes you could know this. So, I took a break and this was the time when my family, who were in India, education is valued as the most sacred thing. You know, in that generation in a big way. Huge way. >> In a big way. I mean, you know, you you guys got IIT, you guys got you the the the whole culture is about it. >> Especially if your father is a physician, you have to become a physician. It's compulsory. Did any of the kids become any of the siblings? >> All three failed. They didn't go. >> [laughter] >> So, everything came on me. >> Wow. So, my father is like academically very top guy in his time. He studied with a lot of hardship. And he has preserved his textbooks, medical textbooks, his notes. Handwritten notes, piles and piles of notes. He someday wants his children to take up all this stuff. Mhm. So, he's telling me all this. I said, "See, see, I'm not going to be a doctor. That's for sure. Don't pin this on me." I said, "I'll educate myself. I don't want to go to college anymore." I'll finish my high school and then I decided I'll go spend time in the library. Mysore University had a fantastic library. It still has, I think. So, morning 9:00 it opens, closes at 8:00 in the evening. At that time, >> [laughter] >> I was so physically active. You know, I was like all over the place doing all kinds of things in the jungles, climbing mountains, all kinds of stuff. You won't believe what all I did. [laughter] This is what age? Uh from the age of 11, 12 onwards. >> So, now I'm 18 and I've just cleared my high school and I don't want to go to the university, which is unbelievable in my family that Mhm. >> you don't want to educate yourself is like a crime. It's not just a simple sabbatical as it is seen today. At that time, it was if you don't go to the university, your life is finished. Mhm. That's the understanding. So, I went and sat in the Mysore library, Mysore University library, at 9:00 a.m. when it opens, I'm there. I eat a big breakfast at home and go because I'm such a big eater at that time. I would eat almost 10 to 12 times of what I'm eating today. Stop it. Really? I never put on weight because my metabolism was like that when my activity was like that. So, I'm not somebody who can bear hunger. I have to eat. But that one year I ate only one breakfast and came back in the night and ate dinner. It was huge suffering physically. But I sat there and read just anything and anything. From Popular Mechanics to Homer to National Geographic to this and that. Literature, philosophy, particularly geography caught my attention. I read a lot about the world geography. That one year I gobbled up lots of books. Lots. From how long ago was that? Huh? How long ago was that? I was 18. So, you have not read anything since then? Not much. I read some literature because I found a taste for literature. But in the last 20 25 years I hardly can even read a newspaper. When I'm in India I get to need read newspaper. Here even getting a newspaper is tough. I can't read on those iPads and all. I don't feel like it's the real thing to read. >> [laughter] >> Do you Do you think reading is a waste of time? You think there's benefit in reading? How do you view reading? See, I'm not reading for let's say I never read anything spiritual ever. Not the Bible, not the Buddhism none of None >> Nothing. I read literature. I love literature. I read a lot of poetry. I wrote a lot of poetry. And uh I also I'll read a lot about world geography. Why geography? Why interest in geography? >> Land always took me. You know, I cycled across South India just to see the land. Then I crisscrossed India on my motorcycle many times over. At that time. So, because for me the land, not going anywhere in particular, simply end to end till I hit the border. I go and again turn back and ride another direction. Like that I rode. Because for me drinking up the land, even today I just do those kind of rides. I rode across Canada. I rode to rode to Tibet last year. >> I know you're big on motorcycles. You you definitely like to do that. It's not about the motorcycle, it's about the land. So, not about the motorcycle, it's about the land. Very many features of the land, the way the way the world is. This is the planet we live on, all right? If you're not interested in that, then what? Why'd you only have one kid? Huh? Why one kid? I said only one mistake I make, I never repeat my mistakes. Is that really why? >> [laughter] >> Actually, I never wanted to have children, but my wife uh said she felt that she may feel that she has missed [snorts] that experience of having a child. So, I said, "Okay." Now, my daughter decided not to have children. So, why why didn't you want children? Hm? Why didn't you want children? I had a lot to do and everybody's mine. All the people who are with me they're more than my children. But you didn't want to have more kids? You didn't want to have five, 10 kids? I have millions of them. >> But your own blood, that didn't that didn't do anything for you as a man growing up that you wanted more kids? >> It's up to you whether you have children of your blood or of your spirit. For me, children were of my spirit are more important than blood. Tell me why. Because it's more significant. Children of your spirit are more important than the children of your blood? More significant? It is. So, you're saying you could have a child of your blood that is not of your spirit? No, no, no. It can be of your spirit also. But for that, you don't have to be of your blood. Huh. So, what what do you do you think is the biggest accomplishment in in a man's life? You hear different proverbs, you know, will say a man should do three things in his lifetime, have a child, you know, plant a tree, write a book. What do you think is a biggest accomplishment for a man? You know, this whole thing with Valuetainment and PBD podcast started with a phone me and Mario. That's it. And it grew today to, you know, 15 million subscribers almost and 164 full-time employees. And that relationship or you watching us and supporting us wouldn't happen without you. But did you know 51% of you that watch the content are not subscribed to the channel and it would mean the world to us if you could press that subscribe button and notification. Why? It allows us to grow, hire more, do bigger interviews, have a bigger team and deliver a better product to you. So, if you haven't yet, if you don't mind, press that subscribe button. It would mean the world to us. Thank you so much. Well, plant a tree. It's not an accomplishment. It's a sensible thing to do. Have a child. Well, not a must. Now, because we are already 8.4, 8.5 billion people. So, you think we have plenty? Huh? You think we have plenty? We have more than plenty. The beginning of 20th century, we were 1.6 billion people. Today, we 8.5 billion people. We are wonderful, but we are just too many. A whole lot of people will start a campaign against me. Oh, he's depopulation person. Really, it's not about depopulation. It's about sensible living. The only problem we have on this planet is the human footprint, isn't it? The only problem we have is the human footprint. >> Human footprint is too large. You think that's what it is? Suppose you were an ant, you would understand what I'm saying. If you were a microbe, you would understand. If you were a bird, you would understand. If you were any other creature on this planet, you would understand. Human footprint is too large. In the last 70 years, 74% of the vertebrate population on the planet has disappeared. 82% of the insect population has disappeared. 92% of the freshwater life has disappeared. We are just working towards our own extinction. Because without us, they can live. Without them, we cannot live. So, when will we come to our senses? If you talk about this, now there's competition between religions. This religion is producing more children, so another religion wants to produce more children. This debate is going on big time in India. Well, all of this will go towards destruction like this. One thing is individual human being's footprint is too large compared to what it was 100 years ago. What 10 men used to consume, today one man is consuming. Or what 100 people used to consume, one man is consuming. Just look at this. Your grandfather, how many sets of clothes he had and what you have. You have 20 25 times more than him. Yes or no? True. Unless he was a maharaja or something. >> No, no. True. So, our footprint as it is is larger. Our aspirations are larger. You can't curtail curtail human aspiration. Mhm. But you can manage or plan human population. But we are in competition. My blood versus your blood. Well, both the bloods will spill one day. Huh. Interesting. Yeah, I I I I wonder because if somebody asked me right now and said, "Okay, what did you pick up from the conversation?" I would say one, pursue your potential. If you want to do something big, you don't have a lot of time. If you want to do a lot of small things, you have a lot of time. Take your time. You're fine, right? So, okay, that's one thing I took away from you. Accomplishment is hey, what should I dedicate my life to? What would you say I should dedicate my life to? Is the answer going to be to each his own, whatever you want to dedicate it to? Is there anything worth dedicating my life to? See, there's only one thing that human being or any other creature seeks, its own well-being. His well-being is in its becoming a full-fledged life, isn't it? A tree, if you go beneath the earth and see how the plants are fighting among themselves to become full-fledged life. So is an insect, so is a bird, so is an animal, so is a human being. Only thing is, human potential, as I said, is not defined. It's It's left to you how far you want to go. >> Mhm. So when this is the case, if we think of doing everything physically, inevitably we'll be in conflict. Let's look at it this way. See, whoever you are right now, you want to be something more than who you are right now, isn't it? Sure. Everybody. I'm sorry. Sure. Yeah. So if that something more happens right now, then what? Then more. Something more. Sure. Okay, that happened. What? More. Something more. Mhm. So how much more will settle you? Nothing. Oh, you already know this. You're enlightened. >> [laughter] >> No, I mean I don't think we ever will. >> That's what I'm saying. If I make you the king of this planet, will you settle down? No, you will look at the moon. >> Sure. If I give you the moon, will you settle down? You look at the rest of the solar system. >> Mhm. If I give you one galaxy, will you settle down? You look at the next one. >> Mhm. Because there is something within a human being which doesn't like boundaries. So, you want to expand boundlessly. Right. If you want to expand boundlessly, you and me will naturally become conflict if you try to do it physically. Mhm. Physically, if you try to become boundless, is there a conflict or not right now? If you try to occupy this whole room, is there a conflict between the other people who are here in this room or not? Immediately there is. Not right now, but I mean it it maybe not for me, but uh >> No, no, no. You you want to expand physically. Sure. So you want to occupy all the space. >> Right. Naturally there's conflict with somebody else who says I also want to expand. >> competition. >> Yes. >> Yes. So I'm saying once you realize your fundamental goal is to expand limitlessly, >> Wow. you must understand it cannot be done physically. The moment you realize that, that is when you turn spiritual. Cannot be done physically. Cannot be done physically cuz you're limited. No. Physical is a defined boundary. Right. You call something physical only because it has a defined boundary. If I take away all the boundaries of your body, you don't have physicality left, isn't it? Mhm. So, but the longing to expand is limitless. So obviously it cannot be done physically. Is that a bad thing to be that ambitious? Is there Is there Is there Is there a time where >> No, no, no, you're not getting me. This is not about ambition. This is the fundamental nature of our consciousness. It wants to expand limitlessly. What you call as ambition is a constipated condition of your consciousness. Constipated ambition of your consciousness? Your ambition is a constipated expression of your consciousness. Your consciousness wants to expand limitlessly. >> Mhm. Your ambition wants to do it little by little. Got it. >> Because it understands life only physically. It only understands life Everything that's physical about you, where did you get this from? Mhm. Everything that's physical about me, where did I get it Where did I get it from? >> The Turkish guy today. Right. >> [laughter] >> That's right. The food that you've eaten, right? >> Yes. The food that you've eaten. >> Uh-huh. So, from this being this big baby, you became like this. Just the food that you've eaten. Where did that come from? From the soil that you walk upon. So, what you call as myself physically is just a piece of this planet. You picked it up. But, suddenly you're thinking this is me. It's like this. There is water in this glass. Uh-huh. This is not me right now. If I drink it, does it become me or not? I don't know if it becomes you. You 72% of your body is water. I know, but I Where did it come? You picked it up from Mars, is it? You drink it. Of course. Sure. So, that's how this will become me if I drink it. It'll become you temporarily until you go to the bathroom. Not everything will go to the >> Not all of it, yeah. Yes. Some of it will become me or no? Sure, absolutely. What we drank yesterday, 10 years ago, has become us or no? Sure. There's blood in your body. I think so. What do you think? Sure. So, I'm saying what you eat and drink all came from the planet. Yeah. You borrow something. You eat and make it a part of yourself. >> Well, let me ask you this. You said something about boundaries, competition, you know, physical Constipation, I said. Right. On the on the physical side, there's a lot of wars going on right now. There's a lot of You don't worry, we'll come there. First, let's address the human problem. Because if you don't understand the human problem, you think war is political. No, it's human. Well, I know that. And And I think the the part I'm the part I'm trying to uh uh uh qualify with you is it is is there a You know how they say, "Let's do a peace deal." Sadhguru, let's do a peace deal. Let's a peace deal. Is there such a thing as peace in a world when everybody has different beliefs and different ideologies and different religions? They're saying, "Let's enjoy this weekend." They're just saying, "Let's enjoy this weekend." >> let's go back to war and >> the problem to our children and go away. Huh? And what would you say to them? It's It's inane. If not insane. I didn't say insane. I said inane way of handling life. Because you know, there was a time when people were inviting me to all kinds of world peace conference. Mhm. I genuinely believed these people are working for it and I went for a few global ones. Then I realized for a whole lot of these people conference hopping is a profession by itself. >> Mhm. >> [laughter] >> Then very big one where 42 uh what do you say? Nobel laureates are attending this. They invited me to speak there. I went. Day one I sat there and heard everybody everybody reading out their speeches. All Nobel laureates Nobel laureates. And day two post lunch there's one Nobel laureate speaking and then I'm speaking. I'm in the front row listening to every word thinking, "Really we are working for world peace?" Then this man comes and puts his file down on the podium and he never looked up. He just read read read. I just sat there counting pages and he listening to every word. 42 pages he read. Then I looked around the whole hall except the hotel security people and the staff who are standing. Everybody's asleep. Asleep? >> Huh. I thought this is really world peace, you know. >> [laughter] >> It is world peace. He was that bad. And then, my turn to speak, I went up. Most of them are like this. Then with my bullhorn voice all I chanted, then everybody sat up, "What is this?" Then I said, "Here we are talking about world peace. How many of you can genuinely put your heart on your hand on your heart and say your mind is peaceful?" Mhm. They were at least honest enough. They said, "No, our mind is not peaceful." Sure. I said, "If you can't make your mind peaceful, how the hell are you going to make this world peaceful? Where are there millions and millions of minds working at once? Mhm. On every aspect. You can't keep your mind peaceful, but you want to make the world peaceful. Making the world peaceful essentially means we can make 8 billion people's minds peaceful one way or the other, isn't it? Mhm. How do you do that though? >> Then I Then after the session was over, I inquired, "How come uniformly everybody was sleeping?" They said, "No, Sadhguru, yesterday evening there was a Bacardi festival. Oh, free alcohol. Free alcohol was flowing and everybody's peaceful. That is how people are trying to be peaceful now. Soak your brains in alcohol in the weekend or there are more potent things in Florida, I'm sure. To make them peaceful. >> Florida Florida have more than alcohol. You got to think bigger than that. >> That's what I'm saying. They have more potent stuff to make them peaceful. >> See, if you knock out your brains, you will be peaceful. If you remove half your brain, you will be always peaceful like this. Mhm. So, essentially, you do not know how to handle your own intelligence. That's the only problem human being has, isn't it? If you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be quite peaceful. You wouldn't need anybody's help. If you had a brain of who? Earthworm. And you would be eco-friendly, too. >> [laughter] >> Interesting. So, so then the the question >> interesting, it's a fact. But I'm but I'm going to I'm going to stay on this though. What do we do? Is is it more to accept the fact that if we all have different values and principles and things and religion and God and whatever you want to say it, are we forcing people to get along? Is that like a an impossible thing? Cuz more these guys talk about peace, the more I'm hearing forced than I see peace. Cuz peace means freedom is out. You better listen to me to be at peace. How do we do that? >> tell you this. I was to speak at Tel Aviv a few years ago before all these situations happened. I'm flying from Atlanta. Some technical issue with the airplane, and it got delayed. I was supposed to land at 11:00 in the morning, speak at 6:30 in the evening, but I landed at 6:00 in the evening. I'm flying on American Airline. You know, there's nothing edible on the plane. >> [laughter] >> They're throwing some dog parts to you, which I don't eat. So, I'm famished by the time I land there. 6:00 I land. I have no time, so I change quickly in the airport and rush. And this never happens to me, but on that day, I'm speaking in a fine restaurant in Tel Aviv. >> [laughter] >> I thought this is a great place. When you're this hungry, this is the best place to come, but I have no time to eat. I can at least imbibe the smells. As I walk in, people have already come in, many of them, and uh they're greeting me. And one guy comes and says, "Shalom." I ask him, "What does it mean?" He says, "Uh this is the highest way of greeting." I said, "That's your opinion. Tell me, what does it mean?" >> [laughter] >> Uh he said, "No, no, it's really the highest way of greeting." I said, "It's all right. What does the word mean?" He said, "It means peace." I said, "See, in South India, where I am from, in the morning, I go and tell somebody, 'Peace.'" Uh he'll ask, "What's wrong with you?" >> [laughter] >> Whatever you're denied of for a long period of time will become the highest goal in your life. If I deny you food Wow. for 5 days, then, you know, there's a joke in India, that if you go and ask a beggar, "How much is 2 + 2?" He says, "Four chapattis." All right? Your consciousness gets filled with those things you're deprived of. So, you come to America, everybody's saying, "Love is God. God is love." All right? Love is a human emotion. Human beings need it to be pleasant to each other. Whether people are saying the core of universe is love, why the hell does core of universe have to be loving, huh? It has enough gravity to hold things together, I'm glad. I do not expecting core of universe to be loving to me. You as a human being, if you're loving, you feel pleasant and wonderful within you. Your emotions are pleasant. Or let me put it this way. See, being pleasant is important for a human being. Experience being pleasant. If your body is pleasant, we call this health. You want it? Say yes or no, man. Health? Health? Yes. Say clear yes. Absolutely. >> Not to me. Every cell in your body must hear it. It's very important. Oh, yes, I definitely want health, especially after I tore my ACL 2 days ago. So, I I I want a lot of health. >> [laughter] >> Yes. >> Tell all the cells in your body I want health. Because those guys can mess up your life so badly Mhm. if they misunderstand you. If I say, "Do you want health?" you should Suppose they don't understand what you want. So, pleasantness in the body is called health. If it became very pleasant Yeah. we call it pleasure. You want it? Yes. If your mind becomes pleasant, we call it peace. You want it? Absolutely. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it joy. Huh? Absolutely, all day. If your emotions become pleasant, we call it love. All day, twice on Sunday. >> [laughter] >> If it becomes very pleasant, we call it compassion. If your very life energies become pleasant, we call this blissfulness. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it ecstasy. If your surroundings become pleasant, we call it success. Only to create pleasantness in your surroundings, you need the cooperation of many forces around you. Mhm. >> But pleasantness of body, pleasantness of mind, pleasantness of emotion, and pleasantness of energy is 100% your business. If this one thing everybody gets they being wonderful human beings is a reality. Right now, somebody thinks it's in a bottle. Somebody thinks it's in heaven. Mhm. >> Somebody thinks it's in a philosophy. Somebody thinks it's in a man or a woman. Mhm. Everybody is trying to squeeze it for somewhere from somewhere. Mhm. But a simple reality is this, human experiences are manufactured within yourself. Human experiences are caused from within. What is within if you try to squeeze it from outside, what will happen? Let me tell you this story. A put-it-all-together farmer one day had a desire to eat apples. Mhm. So, he went to the apple tree. Mhm. But out of sheer habit, he started digging for apples. He dug quite a bit and no no apples. So, he dug furiously. Then the tree came down on him. This is the reality of the human being right now. For what is inside, you're digging up the whole god damn world, turning it upside down. In pursuit of human happiness and well-being. That is what is destroying the world, isn't it? It is. So, I'm trying to see what I took away from what you said. >> the only way out. You want to write down in is the only way out. In is the only way out. >> Out if you're looking for well-being. So, you haven't answered my question yet, though. So, world peace. We'll come to world peace. You not even handle the human being yet. >> I understand that. [laughter] I understand that. But what I'm what I'm >> The world peace is just a slogan. Okay? It's just a slogan and it's a profession for some people. I agree. That's what I agree. I My my impression is that. My impression is they made it into a business. Yes. I told you conference hopping itself is a big business. >> I mean it's just a guilt at factor, right? You know, well, let's let's do this and let's do that and >> If you want to create a peaceful human being or if you want to create huge peaceful human beings society >> It's No, there's no See, all these are words. Let's get to this. Society Mhm. world >> Mhm. global this thing family all these are just words. Mhm. Actually, there's you and me here. If both of us are peaceful, this room is peaceful. As simple as that. This place is peaceful right now. Yes? Depends. >> [laughter] >> I can cause some havoc [laughter] if I want. We don't want that. We want We want peace as well. >> if you and me are peaceful, this is peaceful. >> Right. If like this If a million people are peaceful by themselves, the town is peaceful. >> with two. It's hard with a million. It's even harder with a billion. No, no. It is not even easy with two. Two people, you know how much violence happens between them verbally and stuff. More violence than two nations. Much more happens within families, okay? So, it is not possible to have between two people, or 10 people, or million people, or a billion people. It is only possible that you can be peaceful. You. Yep. >> So, one V one, you. Yes. Because human experience is caused from within, not from outside. >> Got it. And is the only way out. Let me ask you, can a successful ruthless businessman be at peace? Can a ruthless successful businessman who's a winner be at peace? Only if he If he is at peace, he can win. Otherwise, he'll make a fool of himself. Tell me more. >> [laughter] >> Are you the guy? Now, depending on that, I'll choose my words. >> say you were like that back in the days? Like when you were running a business? Like it was See, the word ruthless is not something that I would associate myself with. But, uh am I always seeing how to make things work? Yes. See, you're successful not because you want to be successful. You're successful because you do things the right way. Mhm. This is something we must understand. You know, I was uh I was talking to somebody in a conversation and at that time Now, that whole thing, the Pakistani teams have broken down very badly, unfortunately. But, at that time India-Pakistan cricket match means it's a big deal. Biggest in the world. Like World Cup is one. Sometimes you guys are even more than World Cup. >> Yeah, now that Pakistani teams have collapsed, whatever reasons. But at that time this guy asked me, "Sadhguru, last question. How to beat Pakistan in cricket?" I said, "See, if you want to beat Pakistan, you must send Indian army." Cricket means don't beat Pakistan. Hit the goddamn ball. Why are you trying to beat Pakistan? You just have to hit the ball right. >> Mhm. In this emotion of wanting to beat Pakistan, you will do something stupid. So, I'm saying for you to be successful, it's not because you're ruthless, because you want to win, you will win. It is because you do things right. If you want to do things right, you need insight, inspiration, and integrity. If you're a loner in your business, in inspiration and and insight will do. But if you have to inspire a thousand people around you, you need integrity. If there is no integrity, you can't inspire anybody. Mhm. People will not be inspired or trustworthy if they don't see you as an inspiration. And you will be inspiration only if they see you with a very highest level of integrity. Otherwise, people will go away. So, you you think that's the highest value of a man? A man of integrity? No, no. I'm saying to make things happen in the world. See, you are trying to drop like uh 10 Commandments from whatever I'm speaking. Don't do that. No, that's not what I'm doing. I'm trying to see for you because I'm very comfortable with who I am as a man. I'm not somebody that's uncomfortable." I didn't say that. I I I am uh No, but listen, at one point in my life, you're in search, and then you get very clear with your life, and you pursue. But, I love talking to other people who have clear philosophies to see what uh Then, what if somebody doesn't have a philosophy, but they have clarity? I think clarity is a byproduct of having clear philosophy. >> no. Philosophy means you become one-track mind. And with a one-track mind, you look like you're clear, but you will collide with something. All fanatics are very clear. They're even willing to die because they're very clear where they're going. It's very dangerous. Those people who will not let you make the world peaceful. What what clear clear belief system do you have? What What is What do you believe in that nobody can contradict you like where you can't go and say, "Man, I never thought about it that way." I don't believe anything. Nor do I disbelieve anything. I just look at life the way it is. Mhm. Isn't that important? If you want to navigate through this life, you must see things the way they are, not the way you want to see. The moment you believe something, you will see it the way you want to see it. Then, how do you know between right and wrong? How do you know between right and wrong? Well, if it works for this life and every life around you, that's the right thing to do. If it doesn't work for life around you, it's not the thing to do. Not about right and wrong. What is appropriate to the life around you right now? That's what you do. What is appropriate for the life around you right now? That's what you do. So, you're saying what may be right today could could have been wrong 100 years ago. >> Oh, yes, of course. Tell me more. See, right now, in Tamil Nadu, where I come from now, >> Mhm. A great hero a thousand years ago meant Aayiram Yanai Konavan. This means one who has slain thousand elephants. He's a heroic man. Because at that time that guy did it with a spear or a sword and there were elephants and elephants everywhere. >> Mhm. So if you kill 1,000 elephants, you were honored as a great hero. Today if you touch one, you'll be in prison. Things have changed. Situation has changed. Elephants have not changed. Elephants are the same elephants. Its life is valuable to itself. But situation has changed. What we think is right and wrong has changed, isn't it? So if a hundred years from now >> In United States, I see there are lumberjack competitions. I think Oh, I hopefully they're gone now, but they were there even a few years ago. Lumberjacks with a axe. How quickly can you knock down a tree? >> do it till today. It's very competitive. On ESPN till today. >> So that would have been a great thing when people came from Europe or England or wherever. So who can cut the tree quickly? That guy only could build his house fast. His family would be safe. You know, things like this. But today you want to cut down and cut down all the sequoia trees because you got a big axe and you got big muscle. It's stupid to do that. At that time it meant something if you were a man if you can cut down a tree quickly, you could build a house, you could do this, you could build a bridge, you could build a boat. So many things were there. So I am saying what's right today may not be appropriate tomorrow. So that's why it is very important that you're looking at life for what it is and do the right thing for that, not some fixed idea. You don't think there's a hundred percent right things to do today, a hundred years ago, a thousand years ago? I mean, you can't be saying that. >> Anything Anything nurtures life around you is the right thing to do. Anything that destroys life around you is not the right thing to do. All right? Because we are life. Mhm. We didn't drop from somewhere else. We are life. The highest value that we have is life. So, if you have one philosophy and I have another philosophy, inevitably we will fight somewhere. Philosophy is one thing. You believe one thing, I believe another thing. >> Mhm. We will fight somewhere. It's just a question of time. Why are we creating such divisions and trying to patch up? As human beings, we breathe the same air. We come from the same soil. If you and me are buried in the same place, the worms eat us and make us the same soil once again. Why are we not getting the point right now? >> Let me Let me ask you, what do you tell people when they ask you for mar- marital advice? What do you tell them? Marital? Yes. Don't mess it up. What [laughter] do you tell them? What what what advice do you give? See, two people come together. Initially when you come together, you have a need for the other person. The other person has a need for you. >> Right. The need is physical, psychological, emotional, maybe economic, maybe social. Sure. So many aspects. When you come together, you come because you need it. But after some time, you think only that person needs it. This is the problem. You always remember, I've made this relationship for my fulfilling my needs. Then you will approach it with little humility. But if you think you I'm fulfilling that person's needs, then you will do things which are unfortunate and unpleasant to each other. Do you think marriage is a good thing? Like you think men should experience marriage or to each his own? See, if you do not know how to allow allow another person to walk all over you a little bit. You may be in your own illusion of who you are. So, marriage is that place where it need not necessarily be marriage. It could be even your own choice of how you do things. But, you are loving another person means some part of you should go. See, this is why the English term falling in love is a good term. You don't rise in love. You don't climb in love. You don't fly in love. You fall in love. Something of you must fall. You're willing to take a part of you and throw it away so that the other person is accommodated. Which is a very good thing because this is what yoga means. Yoga means union. The word yog means to yoke or to unite. So, right now union is not my philosophy or your philosophy. Do you breathe? Do I breathe? Yeah, of course. So, what you exhale, the tree outside is inhaling. What it exhales, you're inhaling. Are we in yoga or not? Sure. We are, but we are not conscious. That's a problem. I started a whole movement in southern India just by making people experience this. Made them sit there and said, "See, what you're exhaling, trees are inhaling. What they're exhaling, you're inhaling." Today, we planted 138 million trees, living trees because of this one experience in >> say 138 million? >> Yes. >> Wow. Don't say wow. It's not enough. It's a drop in the ocean. Yeah, I mean, that's more than the average person, you know? The average person, I don't think has planted one. See, that's the problem. Why are you an average person? You're not nobody is an average person. Everybody thinks he's special. But, when it comes to contributing, he's becomes average. When it comes to getting, he becomes a big guy. >> [laughter] >> Nobody is average. In his mind, he's special. Why doesn't he do that? It's just we've been curated like this. >> [laughter] >> Rob, did you get that? We got to go plant some trees, Rob. We're doing the wrong thing right now, man. We got to stop the podcast and go out there and do I'll I'll plant for you. >> You tell me how many you want. Oh, no problem. Yeah, no problem. Um Crazy question for you. When I was building my sales team, uh we we built a good size insurance company nationally. We licensed 60,000 insurance agents. We had a lot of young guys. And a conversation conversation of sexual desire would come up for men. Okay? And and some of them, you know, you're married. You're like, "Hey, so how do you manage the sexual urge that you naturally have?" What would you say to them? The If uh There are as I said, relationships happen because of physical, psychological, emotional, and social needs. Sometimes financial needs also. Right now, >> [laughter] >> I'm not trying to make a statement on this uh culture or whatever, but it's a fact that we overly exaggerated the physicality of what a human being is, particularly in these societies, especially in the United States of America. I must tell you this because you have this in our engineering book. I was talking to I We have never hired a marketing agency or a PR agency. We can't afford it. It's just our volunteers working. I have over 19 million volunteers. Everybody is a PR for me. So, I never could afford, but one guy, one PR guy who supposed to be maybe fourth or fifth company in the country, he came and did the program. Then I asked this guy, free consultation. >> [laughter] >> I don't pay anybody anything. This is my expertise. >> Of course, everybody comes [laughter] to you. So, [snorts] I asked him, "See, we made this Inner Engineering online program, new at that time. I said, 'See, a few thousand people are doing it. Why aren't millions of people doing it? Because whoever comes and does it, they say, 'Wow, wow.' But millions are not doing it." He told me one thing. "Sadhguru, you need to understand United States. If you are willing to say you will become rich, or your weight loss will happen, or your libido will multiply [snorts] 10x, if you're willing to say these three things, >> [laughter] >> I will sell millions of your program. If you're not saying this, I've been through the program, I know how valuable it is, but millions will not happen in this country." >> the second one? You're going to be rich, You will weight loss will happen. >> your libido's going to 10x. >> 10x. >> Yeah. Then I will sell millions. >> [laughter] >> I said, "Okay." So, you Did you try? Did you start saying, "If you come >> things. I am not I am not willing to say those things. I am okay the way I am. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, so what would you say? What would you say for desires, for men to control their desires? See, desire is there. In human body, there is desire. If this desire was not there, you and me wouldn't be born. Sure. >> Unless you believe you dropped from heaven or something. You born natural birth, right? >> Natural birth. >> Yes. So, somebody had desire. If the desire is not there, we wouldn't be born. Who take the trouble of bearing a child and then bringing it up, all this nonsense? It's not easy. Now, all this is happening because there is a desire. The desire is there because there is a certain amount of pleasure or satisfaction instituted in that whole system. But how much of it is there if you look at it? If you just take it as a physicality, it's a a certain percentage of one's life. But right now, social we are pushing it into people's minds. See, it's like this. If you have money in your pocket, it's a good thing. It makes your life comfortable. If you There's no money in your pocket, today you have to see where is my bread. You can't do anything creative in your life. So, your bread is assured, your shelter is assured, things are assured for you. This means you can think of your activity raising to a different pitch. Similarly, money should be in the pocket. If it gets to your head, you'll get sick. Similarly, sexuality should be in the body. It's gotten into the head. It's a kind of perversion. Too much in the head. People are trying to read sexuality everywhere because everybody's following that fraud guy, you know what uh Sigmund Freud guy. Well, he himself was quite sick. Full fearful of death, you know that? He wanted to go to Egypt. He couldn't travel because he's scared of seeing the mummies. He was a weird guy. >> And that guy was giving all solutions to you. All the best. >> [laughter] >> A lot of people followed it. >> Yes, even today. Yeah. Lot of principles are from him. >> You think so? Yes. On the sexual side? Yes. Wow. He's the one who said everything is libido. Right. What isn't he the guy that he had fantasies with his mother or something? Like a little weird. You know the story with this with Sigmund Freud? He talked about every Yeah. The word >> Everything is libido. Right. Okay. Yeah. So, okay. So, I'm saying it is not in the right place. If it's in your body, it's a limited sphere of life. Right now, it's entered your head. It looks like everything is like that. This is something you must cure the society of. Right from childhood, we are cultivating our children like this. And they will suffer this. They will not enjoy this. Most human beings, I'm telling you. Even in America, where there is so much promiscuity or openness to sexuality, even here most people are suffering the urge rather than enjoying the urge because it's like that. If it's not in the right place, if it's in the body, it has its own beauty. But if it enters your head, it will become a kind of perversion. It rules you. Promiscuity? No. Uh I'm not even saying for promiscuity. It's individual choice what people do. But it should not be in your head. It should be in your body. Yeah, I had a I had a husband and wife that worked with me 20 years ago. Uh Harmy and his wife Singh. If his wife was around other wives, all she wanted to talk about was sex. It's become a And socially, it's become that that kind of thing. >> it was it was Have you read this book? Have you tried this book with your husband? Right? >> She's a senior vice president in a law firm, which is one of the top firms in the country. She says, "Sadhguru, you don't know. In the lunch hour, if you sit there, the only thing all these men who are over 50, 60 years of age, the only thing they discuss is the woman's body parts. Throughout the lunch, every day same thing. You just go sit near a window facing the window. I eat. I can't eat with the people with my own colleagues. Mhm. >> And if they go offsite somewhere, it just goes crazy. Like school boys they are. What do you think about that? Too much obsession on that? It's cultivated. Yeah. Well, I mean nowadays, you know, you're talking about forget about porn. Like it's it's gotten to a point that you got OnlyFans, you got girls trying to break records. There's a girl that slept with I think a thousand men. What was it? A thousand men in 24 hours? You know, and it gets so much attention. It gets so much attention. Yeah, this girl right here, she said she slept with a thousand 57 men in 12 hours. Forgive me. I don't want to ruin her record. It was 12 hours, not 24 hours. I don't want her to get upset. I know. What do What do you think about when you read stories like this? Cuz this they write about this. They're like, "Hey, look at this. Look what she did." And it's hundreds of millions of views and she's not even a guru. >> [laughter] >> It's unfortunate because uh I I you know, many many people come and talk to me how at an early age they were exposed to pornography and what happened to their minds after that. They couldn't think of anything. Whether they look at their sisters, their mothers, they can't think of anything else and they feel sick. There have been people I know that who committed suicide. Wow. Because they just couldn't bear it. Very early age they saw these things and they it just ruled them from inside. See, the sexual instinct is there. Without that, as I said, we wouldn't be born. They're here because of that. >> So, it's not a question of right and wrong. It's a question See, anything it is. Food. How much do you eat? There is a certain consciousness about it, isn't it? Because there is food, if you go on eating, you know what will happen. This is also just like that. These are all physical needs which need to be satisfied, not to be pursued like as if it's the ultimate goal of life. Um you brought up Pakistan earlier with cricket, right? You you and then obviously right now uh some of the stuff that's going on there negotiating in Islamabad. I think it's over, right? I think it is over. 21 hours nothing happened with it. But did you just out of curiosity, how do you look at these religions around the world? You got Islam, you got Christianity, you got Judaism, you got Catholicism. How how how do you look at all of this? See, instead of handling those religions, let it let us look at like this. Do you believe you have two hands? I do. You believe? I see it. I know. You know you have two hands. I know. Yeah. So if I argue with you Mhm. and try to prove to you you have no two hands. You know how to make the point to me. Mhm. Right? Mhm. But so many other things you believe, why? Because you are not sincere enough to admit I do not know. I do not know is a tremendous possibility. When you say I do not know the longing to know, the seeking to know, and the possibility of knowing becomes a living reality for you. Everything that you do not know if you just believe well, you believe one thing that guy believes something else, somebody believes something else. As long as we are separated, we're okay. If you come together, we'll kill each other. What for? Why can't we be straight enough to say what we know, we know. What we do not know, we do not know. Right now, the simple thing is this. See, this cosmos is such that so-called men of science they have openly admitted, we do not know where it begins, where it ends. Yes? Science, yes, that's what they'll answer. Men of science >> have admitted we do not know where it begins, where it ends. >> Sure. Even the people who claim to be men of God, even they do not know where it begins, where it ends. Some of them still believe the earth is flat and whatever it's going on, okay? So, even they do not know. In such a vast cosmos this planet Earth is a tiny little mud ball. Microscopic, actually it is. In that Florida state is a super micro thing. In that, Miami is a super super micro thing. In that, you are a big man. This is a serious problem. This has happened only because of what you believe. What you know, you know. What you do not know, if you say I do not know you will walk gently upon this planet. Because you do not know damn thing, actually. In the middle of nowhere this planet is floating around and you and me sitting here and blabbering like this, not knowing a damn thing. If we know that we do not know, we will walk gently. Right now, everything that we do not know, we believe. And this is it. You should not talk about peace. Why can't we be straight enough? What I do not know, I do not know. What's the problem? That's part of faith, though. That that's part of faith because man is trying to answer one question that nobody has a 100% answer for. And it's what happens when you and I die. Because who knows? Do you know what happens? Some people are very sure where they're going. They have faith. That's what I'm saying. Do Do know where you're going when you die? Uh I'm not going anywhere. I figured out my life fully. What do you think happens when you die? >> [laughter] >> Something you should know only by experience. Something you should know only by experience. >> you ready? Tell me. By experience I'm saying. >> I don't want by experience. I want it to be when it's my time I'm ready. You know, when he wants to take me, he can take me, but >> [laughter] >> But do you know? Do you think you know? I'm very clear. Of where you're going to go? Mhm. Where do you think you're going to go? It's not that you're going to go somewhere. This is all foolish stuff. That you will go somewhere. At least the physical body, you put it back here. Into the earth. If you're not done anything eco-friendly, that's at least that much you must do. I heard in California they're putting it in boxes and putting in multi-storied building. No, no, please put it back into the soil. That's the only eco-friendly thing probably you're doing in your life. So, you'll go back to the soil, your physical part of you. So, so but the spiritual part of you. The spiritual part of you is still a fiction, isn't it? Have you seen anything beyond the body and mind? But that's that's that's what requires faith. No, no, it's fiction I'm saying. You're saying it's fiction. Right now, if it's not in your experience, it's just fiction, isn't it? If it's I will say something. It may be true. Right. >> But it's not a true for you, so it's not true. Yet. That's why I said it's the appropriateness. Because what is true is only what you have experienced. Rest is all imagination and belief. >> Yeah, what a boring life, though, no? If I don't like marriage is about faith, having kids is about faith, moving Really? starting a business is about faith. >> It's about because of faith you got married? >> You having faith that it could work, having faith that this is the right person. >> No, no. Having faith that, you know, you're going to be a decent dad. >> [laughter] >> And you're not going to be a failure, you know, having faith that if I build this business it could work. >> wrong approach. Really? Tell me tell me why. Cuz about >> You take a >> 7 billion people live that way. >> You You take a woman in your life Yeah. with the trust that you will do the right thing with her and make it work. Not with the faith that it will work. It will not work like that. Yeah, you don't know if you're going to do the right thing. I You believe that you'll do the right thing and you You try to do You try to do the right thing. >> Yeah. Because >> But many times you can't figure out what's the right thing. >> Well, I mean Let me tell you a joke. Are you okay? You're getting too serious. >> like jokes. >> [laughter] >> Sankaran Pillai, you heard of him? Who's this? Sankaran Pillai. Uh-uh. You've not heard of him? No. Can you pull it up? Famous guy. Okay. >> [laughter] >> So one day he was sitting in his backyard grumpy. And uh His neighbor looked at him and said, "Hey, what's the matter with you? Why are you sitting like this?" He said, "No, you know, one of those womanly questions she asked me and I got the answer wrong." Well, what did she ask you? He said uh Well, he said uh she asked, "When I get old, unattractive, and fat, will you still love me?" Then the neighbor said, "That's easy, man. You should just say, 'Yes, I will.'" Yeah, I know, but I said I do. I said I do. What does that mean? Ah, see, now is the problem because too many beliefs you have. Because I do. And the wife says, "When I get old, fat, and unattractive, will you still love me?" Oh, she said I do, meaning I love you today, but I don't know if I'm going to love you in the future. >> I did. You are something. When he says I do, [laughter] what does it mean? That means he's already that way. Okay. Meaning it doesn't matter. So, the when the house there's a hurricane, so he's sitting in the backyard waiting for the hurricane to settle. So, I'm saying you need to figure your life out. You will not do everything perfectly well. You'll do some things right, some things wrong. But, the important thing is if you have love in your heart, you will try to do the best. >> Yeah. Your best, not the best. Always understand this. Your best. You're doing your best. You can't do the best because nobody knows what is the best. Only people who have religious beliefs, they think they are the best. Nobody knows what is the best. My best I can do today. I don't know if my best is the best. It's you know, it's a good point because sometimes you're constantly comparing yourself, right? And if you compare the best versus your best, as long as you're doing your best, >> Where is the best to compare yourself to? There's statistically in business and life and sports, you know, you can always compare to somebody who has done better than you. Financially, subscribership, more you know, more people, more followers, more this, more that. We all follow numbers. You gave a bunch of numbers today. You said you have 19 million volunteers earlier. 10,000 square miles in South India that I'd want to go visit. No, no, no. 10,000 square miles of forest, not our land. 10,000 square miles of forest. >> Forest. Got it. Got it. And that's where the 120 12-ft statues at, right? I want to see that. I like like to come one day, come visit and see it. Is the food good over there? Is Is food good over there? Huh? Is Is the food good over there? Because the food was phenomenal in Mumbai. Once you taste our food, you may not leave. >> [laughter] >> Okay. Well, then I look forward to that, but uh uh what could you tell us about these two books? Rob, can we put the link below as well for the two books? Well, Inner Engineering is like a a little bit of introductory for the program itself. >> Mhm. The program is a seven-step program, which is life-transforming, which millions of people have done around the world. Well, it is it is not a philosophy, it is not a belief system, it's not an ideology, it's not even a teaching. They're tools, or let's say technologies for well-being. That will increase your business, make you rich, lose weight, and your libido will 10x. >> [laughter] >> Uh you're saying it, I didn't say that. >> [laughter] >> It'll It'll enhance you as a human being. Okay, if your idea of a human being is being a lettered as fool, it's up to you. But, it'll enhance you as a human being. That means all aspects of your life will enhance. Above all, you will learn to do your life better. It is not that somebody's going to enhance you. These are like tools. See, there is a screw in this furniture. If I ask you to remove it, if all of 10 nails go in your 10 fingers, still the screw is right there. You can also try your teeth, you'll lose a couple of them. You would. But, if I give you a screwdriver, in 1 minute you'll remove this. >> Yep. So, this is how important a tool is. We must understand this. Human beings are dominating this planet right now only because of our ability to use tools, isn't it? Mhm. As there are tools in the world, technologies in the world, as there is a science and technology to create what we want around us, to create what we want within us, there's an entire science and technology. It is this science and technology that we refer to as the yogic sciences. But unfortunately, >> [laughter] >> in United States of America, uh yoga means Lululemon pants and twisting and turning and looking like a leftover noodle. No, yoga yoga is an entire scientific system. When Adi Yogi, the first Yogi whose image you will come and see, when he gave the yogic system, he gave 112 methods. Mhm. Not uh not asanas or practices, methods, entire sciences, 112 ways in which a human being can seek their ultimate well-being. 112 ways. One method may suit you, but that guy may not be willing to go that way. So, for him, there's another method. For me, there's another method. 112 ways. Why 112 ways is we recognize there are 112 junction points in the body energetically. Mhm. So, we can work on each one of them in a different way and change the very chemistry of the system. Today, we have uh a center in the you know, in Beth Israel which is a teaching medical hospital for Harvard Medical School, where we have identified, proper studies have been done, 70% enhancement of endocannabinoids in your brain. That means you just blissed out within six six weeks of practice. Simply, if you sit here, you blissed out. Who wouldn't want it? Everybody wants it. But they're not willing to do it because they They it'll happen from somewhere else. This is one thing that humanity needs to understand. Human experience is caused from within. Is it so? Is it so? 100%? >> Yes. Yes. When it's caused from within, why is it not happening the way you want? Because you're in compulsive reaction to something else. So, your numbers, your money, your grades, your Are you better than somebody, worse than somebody is not the point. See, when you begin with life, you want pleasantness of experience. If you are continuously pleasant, you will feel that's insufficient. Then you want profoundness of experience. These are the only two things you're seeking. Whether you seek a bottle, or drug, or God, or heaven, or temple, or meditation, this is all you're seeking. Pleasantness of experience and profoundness of experience. So, this is a scientific approach to that aspect of human longing. I love it. Rob, let's make sure we put the link below. Sadhguru, you have a great sense of humor. >> You don't say those three things, okay? No, you don't say those three things. But I said it earlier, though, to make sure >> can say it. I can't say it. >> [laughter] >> I said it earlier. I said that earlier. We got Our next campaign's going to be if you come to this conference, you're going to be rich, you're going to lose 40 lb, and your libido's going to 10x. We'll see you next Friday at the conference. We're going to see if we can sell more tickets with that. But sir, truly I genuinely enjoy talking to you, and I've been I've been watching your stuff for many, many years. I'm glad we finally had a sit down and talk. And what I love most about you is your your energy is so smooth. And then you are sarcastic, and you have a sense of humor, and I learned a lot today. So, I appreciate your time. >> a lot of jokes, but you didn't get my joke. Well, that one I do took me a minute. >> [laughter] >> It took me a minute. I had to get a little bit more clear on what I do means instead of I will. Big difference between the two, right? But thank you so much for coming out. Truly, I appreciate it. Thank you so much for your time. This was great. 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