Who Is Andrew Wilson? | PBD Podcast | Ep. 707

Your eyes have a look and there's rage behind it. >> Rage. >> Yeah. You have rage and a look that you trust nobody. >> In this industry, you can't trust anybody. All these holier than thou sewing circle Christians. How could you do this? And I'm thinking, shut up, you lying snake. Let me pat you on the head and read gospel. That doesn't work. You have to destroy world views before you can replace world views. If you're not willing to do it, shut your mouth and don't criticize them. And that's why, sir, I hate the left. I hate leftists with every fiber of my being. I know that that's bad as a Christian. You're not supposed to hate people. I get that. But I really hate them. Progressives have been running around calling everybody who disagrees with any of their crazy ass values fascists. These are the people who brought us the lockdowns, the stateisssued garment of the mask. They gave us a fascist state. That's what they do. It was really funny. Fuentes used to say, "America first is inevitable." And the left made it inevitable. How can you have guys like Nick Fuentes making such momentum? And it's like he's a product of you. All you got to do is go look in the mirror to see who's responsible for it. You dumb lefties. >> But I want to ask you, what is more dangerous to America? Progressive ideology [music] or Muslims that are coming to you who are not willing to assimilate? Muslims also hate progressives. But progressives are useful [music] idiots. So as long as Muslims can use left-wingers for the path to bring more Muslims in, they'll vote left overwhelmingly. It's a takeover. It's an invasion. Here's the way I view the world. If Christians aren't in charge, somebody else is going to be in charge of them. And so, this is a race for power. You're either going to be ruled by the lunatics of the world or you're going to rule the lunatics of the world. >> Did you ever think you know, >> Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. [music] My handshake is better than anything I ever sign. It's right here. >> You are one of my son's right there. I don't think I look >> Andrew Wilson. How you doing, buddy? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. It's good to have you on. >> Yeah. >> I saw uh uh we messaged a couple times on on uh was it X or Yeah, >> I think it was X. >> And then I'm like, listen, you're everywhere and I want to learn more about you. So, here we are. Well, thank you for having me. Your team's treated me very well. I appreciate that. You can always tell a lot about a person by how they treat other people. >> Yeah, we we we so funny you're saying this. You know who said this? >> Uh who said this yesterday, Rob? Pompiano said it yesterday on the business podcast, but Andrew, you you're all over the place when I see your clips. You know, debate fire. You know, you're making friends every day. I can tell you're a guy that likes to make new friends >> and uh you know, >> very well loved. Yeah, very well. Uh and and you had a very uh nice debate with uh a fellow who we had on the podcast as well, Danielle Hagaju. You guys went at it and you >> you were given a lot of stats that day. You know, a lot of stats and if the audience doesn't recognize it, we'll show the clip here in a minute, but prior to going into, you know, the stuff that you're doing today. I want to learn more about your story, how you came up off camera. You were telling me about a couple other guys we were talking about. We don't need to mention their names of how they came up. And I told you I know nothing about the gaming world. You told me how much I'm missing out and that I should consider getting into it. But tell me >> absolutely not. >> Yeah. [laughter] Tell me about how you got into the space. >> Uh by total accident. I uh never belonged there to begin with. I was uh I worked with my hands. I was a robot robotics mechanic. Um and I started as an industrial mechanic and then worked my way into uh into being a robotics mechanic. during the CO 19 lockdowns, uh, progressives who I just really hate. I mean, I really hate them. And I know I'm not supposed to. I know that that's bad as a Christian. You're not supposed to hate people. I get that. >> But I really hate them. And um, so I would argue with them constantly on Facebook and these other, you know, like these other platforms. It's just a nobody. But they started having these little panels, some of them, you know, they'd have like uh little video panels. Everybody was bored because CO was going on, you know. So, I started crashing those panels and that made its way over to YouTube and um then I started getting debates with, you know, people who I guess were big names. I didn't know who they were at the time. I didn't know who any of these people were. I didn't know anything about YouTube. Yeah. I didn't know anything about any of these people. I just knew that they were [ __ ] So, [laughter] so I was happy to take them on. Uh >> so, pre-COVID, you're not on YouTube, you're not on podcast. Pre-COVID, you're doing nothing. >> You're a robotics guy doing your thing, minding your own business. I had no intention at all. If you would have asked me 5 years ago if I would be an entertainer who has one of the most super chatted channels in the United States, I would have laughed at you. >> That is insane. >> I would have laughed at you. Been like, "No, I don't know anything about entertainment. I don't know anything about any of this." Um, and here's here's what that should show you. What that should show you is that a person who just at the time had only a basic grasp of logic, just a basic grasp of logic. Um, now I've since refined that very well, right? It's part of my job. I take my job seriously. Um, was able to make those kinds of inroads. That's how bad discourse has fallen in the collective intelligence of people. It's bad. >> Who were you in high school? 14, 15 years old. Who was Andrew Wilson? >> Um, you know, I moved I moved around quite a bit. Uh, so I never got too firm of a footing anywhere. I was uh usually only in a place for maybe 3, four years. I wouldn't say I was popular, but not unpopular, you know, just just normal. Just a normal guy. >> Were you a math guy? Were you an athlete? Were you a you know, 4.2 GPA? Were you >> I was more of a delinquent like uh >> You were more than more than delinquent. >> It was more like uh cut school whenever I could. >> Were you smoking? Were you the guy that would smoke pot and go and have theories? Like I had a friend of mine that would smoke a lot and he was such an interesting guy to speak cuz he was brilliant. >> Was you were you that guy or >> No, no, no. I was a different type. I was more like the cut school, have a cigarette, go over, hang out at the Burger King. Anything I could do to avoid um you know formal formal school I did? It was I knew then I guess intuitively that school was a waste of time. It was a complete and total waste of time for me. >> Were you a reader? Were you somebody that was naturally like oh yeah from what age did you start reading? >> Oh I started really early. So I was um I was gifted in that category. So, how it was explained to me was that people who are really, really, really good at math are often really terrible in the arena of reading and uh and knowledge recall and vice versa. I was never great at math, but I was always excellent with uh with reading and comprehension and things like this. So, yeah, I just never had any problems in that domain. >> Who was the male figure in your life? >> My dad. >> Your dad. >> Yeah. >> Tell me about your dad. What What did your dad do? [clears throat] >> He uh well, he had a rough story. I don't know if I've really I don't really talk about myself too much. Um it's just not my thing. But my dad, he was um he was an entertainer. He grew up in the California area in Coina. And um my grandfather, he was in the Army Airore in World War II. There was no Air Force at the time. He was in the Army Airore. And uh he got married young. My dad was the oldest of four. And uh he was an entertainer in Coina at 18. He was playing private clubs and things like this. He was a singer. And then Vietnam rolled around and he got drafted and he didn't want to go in the army. So he joined the Air Force. And when he joined the he joined the Air Force, he went and he served and he got back home and he found out that his wife was, you know, [ __ ] around on him. So that was pretty rough. And >> that's not not that's not your mother. That's somebody else. >> Yeah. That's uh that's Yeah. Some somebody else's mother. >> Got it. [laughter] >> Anyway, >> what a mother. you know she >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So anyway, um after after that happens, he was diagnosed with multiple scerosis and told he was going to die. So he moved in with my grandparents and uh readied himself for the uh for the end essentially. Uh he met my >> How old was he at that time? this time I I believe he is late 20s and [clears throat] so um a couple he he made a slight recovery kind of a rally and he met my mom and uh and they got married fairly quickly within within a year or two and um luckily she was a nurse and she's been taking care of him ever since >> since they're still together. Good for him. >> Oh yeah. >> And so what did he do after entertainment? Cuz I I know Wescoina but what did he do after entertainment? Uh he had basically odd jobs. He stayed at home with us. My mom worked because he was very sick and so he stayed at home and took care of the kids. That was what he had. >> The other way around. Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. He had Well, he had to. He was he was too sick to work. >> So, but you said he's your male uh uh figure that you looked up to. So, what did how did he raise you? What did he teach you? Did he teach you toughness? Was it mental? Was it reading? >> He taught me something much more important than all that, which was how to think. More than anything else, it was how to think. It was um what he taught me early on was most people the things that they say they have no justification for any of the things they say and most of them are just repeating something somebody else said and the sooner you realize that the sooner you realize how you can get >> a powerful thing to say. >> Yeah. You'll realize how to get to the truth. >> Wow. >> How you get to the truth of everything quickly. >> How do you So what was his opinion on how to do that? >> His opinion on how to do that was to ask him how do you know that? How do you and and where did you you know where did you learn that? How do you know how do you actually know that that is the case? >> Was he a Scientologist or was he a Christian? Was he >> He was a Christian. >> He was a Christian cuz you know that's a that's what they teach on Scientology. >> In Scientology, one of the first things they teach you is when you know when somebody says something it's how do you know that? Let's go look up the exact definition. What is the true meaning of that to want to get to the bottom of the source? >> But uh that's he wasn't uh yeah no not a Scientologist at all. He what he was was a guy who was taught from a different era how to think. Um you know he was he was an old man for his time let's say you know he was a product of the 40s essentially. Um and yeah he he knew how to think and he still knows how to think. He's still alive and you know even though they gave him a toe tag with multiple scerosis said you're going to die. Uh he beat all odds. But that's what he taught me. That's what he taught all of us. That's what he taught. >> What's your age difference between the two? You and your father? Uh, >> how old was he when you were born? >> You know, I don't I don't know. I'd have to think about it. I'm not sure. Let's see. He was >> My dad was 37. >> He was born in 40 I want to say 42. >> So, he's 83. My dad's also 1942. Yeah. >> What month's his birthday? >> Uh, his is in July. >> Okay. Mine's April 10th. Interesting. So, how old are you? >> I'm 41. >> You're 41. So, >> so then uh 30ish >> uh uh when you were born. wasn't an older father. It was a younger father. Relatively, you know, the the age that you you go through. >> Well, I don't mean old isn't physically old. I mean, his mind was trained >> Totally get it. His mind was trained by somebody from an older generation, >> which is his which is your grandfather, >> which was my grandfather. >> Was it Was it uh >> like if your if your father was we went to dinner tonight and your father's with us, is he a debate guy? Is he a guy that'll sit there quietly? Does he push back? Does he argue? Is he argumentative? Is he >> He's not this. No, he's notable. He's not the same way I am at all. Um, my dad has a very commanding presence. So, and he's extraordinarily likable. What happens, you go out to dinner with him, you sit down, within 5 minutes, you want to hear everything he's ever had to say about everything. That's the type of guy he is. The type of guy he's always been. He's a very, very respectable guy and a very respectable guy. >> How many of you guys How many kids did your mom had? Well, he had two with uh with my mom. My mom had two children from a previous marriage and then he had three from a previous from his first marriage. >> Seven total. Total. Okay. So, two it's from same mom and dad. >> And are you guys seven close to each other? >> Not really. The the ones I was immediately raised with. We are the the four of us which would be my mom's two children from her previous marriage. And we were raised so closely together. I actually didn't even realize that we weren't we were half brother and half sister. It had to be explained to me when I >> mean they did a great job. >> Yeah. It had to be explained to me but you know when I was 10 or 12 and I still didn't really get it. >> Yeah. >> You know like it just I just didn't think of it that way. >> Makes sense. >> Yeah. >> So is there a common pattern between the four kids that were raised by your father and mother? Like is there a common threat that somebody would notice on mindset on you know values on certain principles? >> They don't take no [ __ ] from nobody. >> None of them. >> So is your dad from Kovina or did your grandpa move from somewhere else to Coina or was he also >> he was raised in Coina. >> So your grandpa's also Coina. >> Mhm. >> Interesting. Okay. So don't take [ __ ] from nobody. >> No. Doesn't take any [ __ ] from anybody. But also all of them can comprehensively think. That's the most important part. They don't have presuppositional thinking. Instead, they were all of us were taught how to get to the heart of an issue very quickly by having this kind of this precept understanding that most people the things that they say are actually untrue. And they did not come to those thoughts on their own. They came to those thoughts because somebody else gave them to them. Most people can't control their thinking. They don't know how. That's a that's something you've learned. That's not a that's not something you're born with. >> Uh most people they don't think their own thoughts >> and most of the thoughts that are in their head are put in their head from some other source. >> Very rarely do you find that people came to a position on their own. It's actually very rare. >> So uh uh one would argue that and say uh you came to the positions you have if your parents are Christians. It is true. What what you're saying is traditionally we will do what our parents will believe in because of values, respect, honor, you know, comfort, you know, certain thing that we recognize, you know, we we see. So, how do how do you view yourself as somebody that is that that you question things to get to the bottom of it? How do you know that you're actually doing it yourself? >> By eliminating presupposition and using logic. Logic has laws, governing laws. And when you eliminate presupposition, you get to the standard of why it is that you have a position. You realize most positions you have are completely unjustified. >> Give give me a case. Give me an idea. Like, you know, you have a lot of topics that you guys talk about. So, uh, pick one and just go. >> Let me give you a case. Okay. >> Uh, why would it be that incest is wrong? >> Why would it be that incest? >> Let's say let's say you had two brothers. They're twin brothers and they're in an incestuous relationship. Why is that actually wrong? Well, if I go get data and data shows me >> data has to be interpreted. >> Data has to be interpreted. >> And so even if you interpret that it has bad outcomes, so what? All relationships have the potential for bad outcomes. What makes it actually wrong? >> Tell me. >> No, you tell me. >> You're asking me the question. >> I'm asking you the question. >> Um I I go in two places. I go one logic. I go one values and principles. >> Okay. Okay. Well, logically, >> well, then logically I would go get the data. If I go get the data, and the data shows me that incest produces, better high IQ, safer communities, job creators, independent, crime is low, incredible society, great inventions, great innovations, then I would say maybe we ought to entertain it. >> Okay. But what if it's the case that uh data shows the opposite of that? But there's just one case. It's just one case of twin brothers doing it. That's it. Just those guys. Is that wrong? Is that wrong of them to do it? >> And the data of one twin brother's doing it. >> Yeah. You got one set of twin brothers are doing this. Nobody else in the community is. >> What makes that actually wrong? >> From from data standpoint, that's a different story. From the value standpoint, I would go to, you know, spiritual, you know, a a denomination. I'm a non-denominational Christian. >> And according to my values and principles, that is not the right way to live. >> And that's why, sir, I hate the left. You just mapped it out perfectly. This is exactly why I hate leftists with every fiber of my being. >> Tell me why. >> Because what you just gave me was an attempt at an epistemic justification, right? the knowledge for why this thing is wrong is based on the value set that I have which I'm going to try to spiritually justify. Yeah. Right. >> The leftists can't do that. Why? Because they're atheistic by nature and they're cynics by nature as well. They can never give you a justification for why something like that's wrong. So when you ask them a question like that in a debate, they just bite the bullet. It's not wrong >> without without needing to give an argument. >> They don't need to give an argument. They just don't think it's wrong. It isn't wrong. Okay. So, so let me let me ask a question because you're in this thing more than I am and you're in it on a daily basis. Uh uh I've been around people for a long time and I built businesses where I had to uh uh attracted people from all walks of life, nationality, ethnicity, it doesn't matter. It was one of the best exercises because I would learn about culture, you know, whether it's the difference between somebody that's Mexican from Muakan versus a Mexican from Halisco versus a Mexican from Sakatas versus, you know, El Salvador versus Guatemalan versus Jews versus, you know, all all these different types of things you look at, right? >> Yeah, that makes sense. So, and then [clears throat] you look at I'm like I meet somebody. I'm like, why do you believe in socialism? [laughter] Why do you believe in, you know, one time I'm in a dinner with a guy who is about to marry a a girl and we're going out there to learn about her for the first time. He was one of my main players in the company and I'm sitting there listening to her talk and we go into this argument of, you know, gay rights is like civil rights. I said, 'Gay rights are civil rights. I said, 'Yeah, tell me why. And she starts trying to give this argument. I said, ' Do you believe in what she's saying? And he doesn't know what to say. So he sides with me because he's a he's very much a Christian conservative himself, but he's stuck in this sphere that he doesn't know what to do. So eventually I keep continuing to talk to her because I want to learn why she believes in what she believes in. So do you think progressives can help themselves because they're born that way? And do you think you are who you are because you were born that way? Or do you think you are who you are and believe in what you believe in because your father taught you well where if your father was let's pick a man. If your father was Gavin Newsome, you would have been a very different human being. Oh, >> I think it's both. I think that you're a product of genes and environment just like an alcoholic. You could have a propensity for alcoholism, but if no alcohol is present, right, you never have to worry about being an alcoholic. This is the same exact thing with environment versus genetics. Uh I do think that I have some predispositions to some types of behaviors and if I was raised by a leftist perhaps I would engage in a more left-wing attitude towards things for a while until I started questioning things. Now I didn't come to the view my father's view completely because he taught it to me. I came to it because when I rebelled against it, it was disastrous. >> Tell me about that time. Oh, I mean I was essentially a delinquent in my my early 20s. I mean, um I was very >> But what contradicted the values he taught you? Like what behavior did you do that contradicted what >> I was? I was promiscuous. I moved away from uh from God. I moved away from the teachings of Jesus Christ. I moved away from everything. >> For how long? >> Uh I don't know, years. Uh let's see. Probably a good seven years. >> How bad was the fall? I mean, it wasn't so terrible that I was robbing liquor stores, but it was bad enough that I became part of the apparatus of the delinquent portion of the world. I didn't care about very much. It would not nothing was particularly important to me. It was a very nihilistic mindset and most of it was uh based purely around materialistic goals and the idea of self-game. None of it. In other words, there was nothing I was engaging in that wasn't completely selfish and self-centered. Not a single thing in retrospect. >> What brought you back? >> Um, I think my wife ultimately brought me back. She seemed to see something in me. [laughter] She seemed to see something good in me. >> How'd you guys meet? >> Uh, we actually met online, you know, uh, believe it or not. And, uh, she had children and we dated and we had a real rocky start, you know what I mean? But uh she just she just didn't give up on me. Man, >> at that time if I knew you, would I have considered you a Christian nationalist, you know, conservative? Would I have said the day she met you? >> Yeah. You would have considered me like a cringe libertarian, you know, self-centered jerk. Probably >> a cringe libertarian, self-centered jerk. Give me an example of someone that's like that today where I could kind of uh >> uh I don't know. I I guess I ideologically, let's say Dave Smith. >> Okay. Okay. Not I'm not saying that Dave Smith is a delinquent jerk. You just called him a cringe. >> I'm just saying I'm saying that he is a that he is a cringe libertarian and I would say it to his face. Okay. And have I've debated with Dave many times >> and uh one every time. But anyway, [laughter] the the the point is is >> you guys I'm assuming you guys are friends. >> Yeah, we're friends. Yeah, I've got no problems with Dave at all. Nothing but nice things to say about him. He's always been very kind to me. Um, but the delinquent part would be I don't know. Just take like um just the typical guy who really doesn't care as far as dating goes, is willing to rack up bodies, is willing to to bang random chicks, doesn't really care. >> Got it. So, she was one of the maybe the second reason outside of your dad for you to go back to being a Christian values, conservative values. Would you say she influenced that? >> Probably more than any other individual. Yes. including dad. >> Including dad. Yeah. >> Tell me what what was the reason? >> I think because when you have somebody who has that kind of faith in you, they have that kind of trust in you, that kind of faith in you and they lean that heavily on you and they just they put all of that faith in you. It's hard for you not to begin to recategorize things in life. And one of the things you have to recategorize is, you know, it's not all about me. you know, this really isn't all about me. There's uh now there's kids involved. You know, there's a woman involved. There's other aspects of life here which transcend what I might want for me. And the idea that somebody puts the type of faith in you that um that you can lead in that type of situation very I think that more than any other single thing that probably brought my faith back to me. So, was was it a first time where somebody spoke hope and belief in you like, "I believe in you. You're capable of doing something bigger." Was it was it a language like that? >> First time. >> First time in your life. Well, that's magical. By the way, it's funny you say that because to me, >> the first time in my life I experienced that language was a guy by a guy named Kogan when I was about to reinlist in the army. I'm 20 years old. He calls me. He speaks that language to me and I'm at at that time I'm just a regular punk that's partying six days a week. come in the army just you know living >> what was your MOS >> 63 Bravo I was humble mechanic I was living a By the way we Vinnie and I almost reinlisted last night after the president gave $1750 we almost thought about like I almost called Pete Hex all three me you and Rob were like listen guys let's just go they they wouldn't let Adam though Adam was like you can't they won't let him go and Tom's above the age >> it wasn't that long ago you get 50,000 bucks for signing up >> 1750 [laughter] money we're talking about so 1,45 yeah no But let me tell you, I actually like the fact that he's doing that because it's active. 1.45 million people he's given that to. But going back to it, he spoke that language. I did not know what that sounded like. And the language was why I shouldn't realistic in the army and I should get out because I can make it as a civilian. And up until that point, I was the fun guy you would go and have >> party with. And I was very good at math and I I couldn't stand anything else. I was the opposite of you. I was the math guy. >> I was a guy that had an easy time with calculus or math analysis or trigonometry. That was my world. I was I see everything through numbers. But so [clears throat] wife speaks that language. You've never had this experience. Then you say, "I need somebody like this in my life." Then you guys get married. >> Well, it wasn't it it wasn't quite that uncomplex, but yes, essentially. Um you know, we dated for a few years and then got married. Yes. >> How long have you guys been together? >> Uh total 18 years. >> 18 years. >> Yeah. Married for 12 of it. >> Married 12 together. 18 years. Okay. So now you somebody who doesn't know you doesn't know your story because I don't know if your story's been told like I didn't know anything about your background what you just shared right now. >> So if somebody doesn't know you and a guy your age >> at that time when you met your wife comes up to you and it says, "Hey uh uh I'm falling in love with a girl who's got two kids from previous marriage, but I love her. She treats me like no one else has in my life before. What advice would you give him? >> Well, it was more complex than that. She had three children. She had a previous marriage and then she had children from her high school sweetheart. This was a massive failure of parenting on her parents' fault on her. Yeah, it was very complex web there. But [clears throat] >> uh her mother suffered from severe mental illness and was a militant feminist >> and >> militant feminist. What a combination. Jeez. >> Brought I want to do podcast with her. She's [laughter] >> brought a brought a pedophile into the home. >> Oh god. >> And uh yeah, it was uh it was a real mess for her. So anyway, her dad fought, got custody, thank God. But she Yeah, she had a rough she had a rough background for sure. >> Okay. So what would you say to that guy? What would you say to a guy the age of the same age when I met your wife? Hey, I'm meeting somebody complicated [clears throat] background. >> More I'm learning about her. It's a lot of, you know, issues and drama. >> Yeah. >> Because I'll tell you, I I dated a girl. I'm with her for three years. Love her. >> I won't even give stories, but her upbringing was completely messed up. And I go and talk to my pastor about it. And my pastor's advice was, "Whatever you don't like now, it's just going to get worse." Yeah. And it's going to get more. >> And so, I stepped away from the relationship. And I I went a complete different route and uh uh no father figure in the picture. It was it was a it was a opposite for yours. Her father came in and saved which is actually good. She felt protected. >> I don't know if I've heard a militant feminist. I'd love to meet her. Sincerely, I'd love to meet her. >> But uh >> No, you wouldn't. >> Yeah. But what I'm saying is I would love to see how much of a whack job or how entertaining and why she believes in what she believes in. But what advice would you give to a guy today who's like you in your sphere? He kind of looks up to you. He's like, "Man, I'm 30. Here's where I'm at. I'm 26. What advice would you give to him?" Same exact situation meets the same exact girl that you >> Well, there's two things. The first is uh I don't generally do the advice thing. And here's why. Without really intricately understanding a person's situation inside and out, you generally are, well, this has just been my experience. You can actually give them advice which is very damaging to them if you don't actually know them inside and out. But to engage with the question itself, >> I would say look, this is there's a lot of complicated factors and you need to really assess all those factors because most of these types of relationships do not work out and that's a fact. Uh mine was an outlier. It did, right? But there was a lot of pain, a lot of agony that went into that. There was a lot of rewards, too, but there was a lot of pain and agony. And she would tell him the exact same thing. The truth is is that um for most people, relationships like this, they don't work well. They just don't. Uh that doesn't mean though that they can't or that if you're in love with somebody, you shouldn't pursue that. It just means that you should be aware of what the risks are and assess them accordingly before you know so that you don't uh for instance, let me give you an example of this. There's going to be all sorts of baggage that come with dating a single mom or marrying a single mom that's not going to be there if uh you don't marry a woman who already has children. There's no ifands or buts about that. However, there could also be all sorts of perks that come with that. For instance, um you know, women like this, they tend to think outside of themselves. Not everything is about them. They're not quite so narcissistic because they have other people that they have to take care of. >> They've graduated that. >> Yeah, they've moved past that. So, there's maybe a level of maturity there that uh can offset that for some men. But that's not all of them either. Some of them are still very much suffer from female narcissism and, you know, are basically total [ __ ] So, I think you got to assess it case by case. But generally speaking, those types of relationships, they don't work out that well for most people. >> Do you have a son? I I did. He died in an accident when he was 10. He died in a car accident. >> You got to be kidding me. >> No. No. >> I am so sorry to hear that. I did not know that. >> Yeah. It's uh no harm, no foul. He didn't know. You know what I mean? But yeah, when he was um so I had him since he was basically two. Um this was Rachel's youngest son. So >> Yeah. Yeah. So I I had him since he was two. When he was 10, he went over to watch a movie at a friend's house. Um his his friend was the same age. They went to school together. While they were both over watching the movie, the older brother stole a car, his parents' car, put him inside of it, took it out on the road, and uh basically hightailed it into a tree and crushed him to death. So the other kid who was driving, he went out the front window. The other 10-year-old? >> No, it wasn't. He wasn't 10. This was the 10-year-old's older brother. >> But the 10-year-old was in the car as well. >> Nope, he wasn't. >> What? >> Why did he take his brother's best friend? >> What the police What the police said? >> It's a little weird. >> Yeah. This is what this kind of the speculation was was, you know, how younger kids look up to older kids. You know what I mean? >> That um basically he he wanted to impress the 14-year-old by Yeah. You know, Yeah. Yeah. I'll go with you. or the 10-year-old wanted to impress the 14-year-old. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'll go with you. >> Did the driver Did the drive the older kid, the one that flew out the window pass away as well? >> No. >> Oh, wow. >> He made it. >> He made it. Yeah. Thank God he made it. He uh he had a broken arm. He went out the windshield. He had a broken arm. >> Good kid. >> I'm not sure that I would say that he uh he ended up being something of a delinquent. I don't know what his story is now because uh you're talking >> you're talking about almost I think I think 10 years ago now. Um, but at the time, yeah, it was uh it was the most kind of like heart-wrenching, awful, horrific experience uh that you can imagine. I remember I was coming home uh essentially uh from looking for him. So, uh you know, my wife called me frantically and was like, "Hey, you know, we can't we can't get a hold of him. What's going on? Can you go over and check?" I said, "Sure." I went over, checked. He's not here. You know, so she called the police. The police were out looking. And I remember driving up to the driveway and there was cop cars there and I was like, "Oh, great." You know, they they got him, you know. So, uh, you know, I walk inside and the cops were still in the cruisers and I came up to the front door and they came walking up and, you know, they didn't have them with him and the first thing the cops said was, "I have some very bad news." And she just she knew right then and there. She just collapsed. So, I I told the story once um cuz it's a it's a hard one to remember, but but she let out this blood curdling scream. Just blood curdling. I'll never forget it as long as I live. It was the There's just nothing as horrible as that sound. And I just anytime I think about it, you know what I mean? still it still makes the basically the hairs on my back of my neck stand up. Um it was just it's just a scream of agony, you know, just emotional agony and uh it was Yeah, it was crushing. It was just absolutely devastating. >> How long did it take for her and I know the answer is never, but how long did it take for her to get back to actually being able to do the day-to-day stuff? Yeah, [clears throat] we went I remember talking we I was very lucky the the person who ran the funeral home, he was a a former police officer. He was a sniper in the police force in fact and um and he sat me down and he explained he explained how all this works. He says, "Listen, I've seen this many times before and I'm going to tell you a bunch of things." >> That night he's telling you >> this was the next day when I was making we made the funeral arrangements and this and that. He said, "Can you come in and meet with us?" Or it was the day after. I don't remember, but one of those within the next within two days of it. So, I went in and sat down with him, you know, and I was a mess. I was a mess. And and she was really a mess. And um anyway, I sat down with him. He said, "I'm going to tell you some things." He said, "They're going to be really hard, but I need you to understand." He said, "The first thing is she's never going to be the same ever. Just never. She'll find a new normal and the person that you love is still in there, but it's never going to be the same for her. Life's never going to be the same for her. Food's not going to quite taste the same again. The air she breathes isn't going to be as fresh as it as it ever could be, right? That's just the what the new normal is going to be. And he said, "Your job is to take care of all of this so that she doesn't have to. That's your job. So do your job. And I said, ' Okay, that's it. That's it. Wow. Yeah. You um you witness these things and and you see somebody going through it and it is it is a very very difficult thing uh to go through and I'm assuming that guy who had that conversation was a cop sniper, you said. >> Yeah. Um, >> yeah, he used uh, interestingly enough, I was talking to to one of your security team members outside. You know, I'm a bit of a gun nut myself and um, you know, we kind of second I was talking to this director, you know, he was kind of telling me a little bit about his backstory and I think it was just kind of put me at ease. You know, they were using M1 carbines when he was in the force as snipers. M1 carbines. That's what the police Yeah. That's what the police officers were issuing at the time. Open sight. They had no scopes, no nothing. And uh he had a couple of barricaded suspect situations where he had to take the, you know, the perp out with an M1 carbine. And I was just like, you know, that kind of blew me away. Um but yeah, he so kind of old school this guy's law enforcement experience was. But uh as far as a funeral home director went, I mean, he just laid me down and just he just laid it all out and said, "This is what you need to do." I mean, I he laid out everything, you know. He said, "There's going to be people who are going to come and they're going to pay their respects and you're not even going to know them. They're just going to read about this in the paper and it's going to upset them, you know." He said, "Maybe they'll drop five bucks or maybe they'll drop some flowers." He said, "You're going to write every one of those people a thank you letter." >> Wow. >> He said, "Write every single one of them a thank you letter and tell them thank you." He said, "Doesn't matter if you know them, you don't know them." No, he just walked me through everything. So I was I I you know in retrospect I think I was very fortunate in many ways. >> Yeah. I mean in the military they they the the guy the job where he has to go visit the spouse. >> Oh god. >> And tell him hey let me tell you so and so's gone. >> That's the job. Can you imagine that's your job and that's all you do all day. >> And you know hey your husband's not coming home. I'm sorry to tell you your son is no longer with us. Well, like in Saving Private Ryan, everyone had to go tell how many people over and over and over. >> Um, Andrew, when I look at your eyes and I see you in different things or even when you walked in here, you have a you have a look. Your eyes have a look and there's rage behind it. Okay. That's the look you have. Why do you have that look? >> Rage. >> Yeah, you have rage. There is like there is a a certain look where you know it looks you're skeptical always and you have a rage and a look that you trust nobody. >> Well maybe maybe to an extent um I in this industry you can't trust anybody. You I mean you you probably know that well. I've I've noted that there have been many many hit pieces on you. The more famous Oh yeah. >> And the more famous you get the more they'll be. Same [clears throat] here. I have tons and tons on me as well. And um one of the few people in this industry that I do trust, you probably know Steven Crowder, right? Um I saw what these people did to him. I saw what they did to him and I saw what the people who were supposedly on my side did to him. I call them the sewing circle Christians. And uh these people do uh basically keep me in a continuous state of rage. And the reason why is this. It's like um I'm sure you've heard the uh Teddy Roosevelt, you know, the man in the arena speech, right? You know, that's what a guy like Crowder was and is the man in the arena. Just everybody's a critic, you know? And I remember when that video came out, uh that they, you know, they spread it everywhere. His political enemies, his [ __ ] ex-wife, all of them just spread it everywhere, right? Ah, he's an abuser. He's a this, he's a that. And I'm like, I remember watching that video and thinking, "Ah, that ain't even that bad. That ain't even that bad." >> In the backyard of the house. >> I was like, "Man, I've been in worse fights than that with my with my old lady. What are you talking about?" Right. [laughter] >> I actually agree. >> Yeah. I was like, "I've been a worse fight than that with my old lady over way less over way le petty stuff." You know what I mean? >> And it's like uh >> and the thing is is like all these holier than now people >> this guy this clip. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We've all seen this. Yeah. And this all these holier than thou sewing circle Christians are like, "How could you endorse an abuser? How could you defend an abuser? How could you do this?" And I'm thinking, "Shut up, you lying snake." Like, there's no way you're going to convince me that in the course of your relationship of 20 years that if we had cameras on you at all times, we're not going to find this moment times 20. >> It's going to happen. Just shut up. >> 100%. >> Yeah. Just shut up. Stop bullshitting me. You know what I mean? But the thing is is um a lot of those people who are the critics, let's say in your case, my case, Crowder's case, many others, a lot of that I think comes from a position of jealousy and it comes from a position of um of envy. And because of that, you know, these people all they do is criticize. But my challenge has always been to the sewing circle Christians, well, where are you? Like I'm on the other end of the most diabolical people daily. I'm in the most hostile environments, the most hostile panels, right? I'm always completely surrounded. I've never seen any of you. >> Where the hell are you? Well, you're siding with our enemies because I'm too mean or Crowder's too mean or anybody who defends themselves is too mean. Why don't you show us how it's done? And they're nowhere. They're nowhere. In many ways, I respect leftists who will engage on their ideology, right, and engage on the arguments much more than I respect my own side of the uh of which has many of these sewing circle Christians who refuse to engage, but instead just want to virtue signal to the audience, "No, no, no. I'm a real Christian. You would never hear me say something so nasty and evil to a diabolical person who just told me they killed three of their kids in the womb, you know? [laughter] And I'm like, what? I'm supposed to sit there and go, "Oh, well, okay then. Let me let me pat you on the head and read gospel. That doesn't work. You have to destroy world views before you can replace world views." >> Yeah. Stephen called me the day this was released. It could have been the day or the next day. and he says, "Hey, I just want to tell you here's what's going to release was already released. This is what really happened." I'm listening to him for 45 minutes and the call-in's like this. I said, "Stephen, you will never hear hear me comment on this." I said, "We're not commenting on this kind of stuff." And Rob and I talked about it, Rob, if you remember, we're doing podcast prep. I'm like, "This is really not a topic I want to talk about. Marriage is hard. People got to figure it out." Of course, if it's like, you know, someone shot and killed or something like that, okay, we have to comment on that. But an argument like this, let them handle it the way that I thought it got out of control and it wasn't a a uh >> uh um it became too much of a thing cuz it was around the same time that he was negotiating the contract >> with uh uh what do you call it? With Daily Wire, right? >> And where he came out and he read the contract on what they offered him and all this stuff that we commented on. And I said, "Look, you know, when you do something like that, it I would be hesitant to ever make an offer to you because then it's kind of like, are you gonna go share my contract with them publicly?" But Crowder to me, he's a guy that >> Well, they Jeremy Boring and those people at Daily Wire shouldn't have been trying to negotiate with his ex-wife on the side. >> We we we we reacted to that God knows how many times. And then trust me, I don't think uh uh anybody in the market would say, you know, we are best friends with Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro and Ben Shapiro loves us and and you know, it's like no, I've been on his show. He's been on my show. We invited him. He's canceled a couple times. Jeremy Boring's been on. We've had good convers actually. Jeremy Boring, we had a very good conversation together. >> But I don't know when the whole Candace thing that was taking place, everybody thought Candace is automatically going to come here. They blamed us for, you know, this is what's going on. No, no, no. I'm on the phones. I'll help you. I'll help you. I'll help you. you know, our our uh our enemy is on the outside. My my you know, sometime the distractions. Can you can you tell me while you're going through this, what do you mean by did you call it sewing circle Christians that got three abortions? >> Well, who are you talking about? >> Well, on my side of the aisle, most critics, right? Because I engage often times my argument style starts and ends with Christian ethics. That's always the viewpoint that I'm coming from whether I'm debating politics or I'm debating social issues or I'm debating any of these things. That's my grounded foundation. So most of my criticisms don't actually come from leftist though many of them do. They actually come from a particular brand of Christian and they I don't know if what you would say maybe um virtue signalers, right? They're always trying to signal their virtues and it's always like, "Oh my god, you smoke you smoke cigarettes or ah you drink beer. Real Christians don't drink beer." Like it's pett always petty criticisms. But anytime there's controversy around me or a clip taken out of context or something like this, these are the first people to rush in and give me universal condemnation mostly so that my enemies will look at them. And these are leftists, right? They want leftists to look at them and think, "You're the good Christians." And it's like the whole time, so in other words, the whole time these people are burning the whole forest down around our ears, right? And I say, "Hey, put those matches down that, hey, don't say the f- word." [laughter] >> I'm like, "Well, wait, we got a bigger problem here. We got a bigger problem here." Nope. You said the f- word. >> Yeah, >> that's no good. >> Yeah. >> And so those people to me are like the lowest of the low of the low. >> Well, I mean, if you want specific names, >> specific names, if you're comfortable saying, who are some of them? So, I would say people like uh Llaya Rose, representatives like Llaya Rose, I would even say uh you know reps like Trent Horn, people like this. These are people who they themselves may not necessarily levy the criticism directly, but it's the influence that they have over the various audiences that they have that then go and direct these criticisms towards you. Got it? Though I never actually see these people in the arena debating these social issues with anybody. They'll do abortion debates, things like this, but I never see them surrounded at a with a a panel of like the worst degenerates on earth debating all of their worldviews simultaneously, but they have tons of criticisms for people who do. And I'm like, well, where are you? Nowhere. And where are you, by the way, when anybody wants to debate you on uh why it is that you're so inactive when it comes to the culture war and social issues, right? They turn all that stuff down. They refuse to argue with the red pillars. They refused to argue with any of these people. They literally just refused to engage. Tons of criticisms, absolute refusal to engage. Got it. So, Llaya Rose, one time I was on her show. This was about a year, year and a half ago, and she we were talking about I don't know how abortion came about, and I just kind of gave my view and then she disagreed and went back and forth. I'm like, okay. Yeah. And and uh it's very obvious. She's like the the the fully fully goody two shoe like everything I do right that's what it is. >> But to me I think there's a place for her as well. But guys like you you know >> uh to to become you you have to have lived a shitty life to get tough and be willing to go in the arena and be able to handle it. >> You just have to I agree. You you have to have lived a very very rough life. And you don't just say, "Let me raise kids and make their life a living hell to raise a Andrew Wilson." That's not how it works. You go have a a very very difficult upbringing. You got this pain, this callous, this all this stuff that you've carried and then boom, and you're like in in fight mode and fight like what's the next one? Who's the next one? That's not for everybody. You can't train her to be like you. I agree. >> Yeah. So, so, but I think there's a place for both of you guys. So, >> and I I even agree with that. What I don't agree with is if you're not willing to do it, shut your mouth and don't criticize then. >> Got it. So, if you're not willing to get in the arena, don't react and don't give your thoughts on what Andrew Wilson believes. >> That's right. If you're not willing to do it yourself, and here's the thing. I've always had an open challenge. >> It's never going to stop. The reaction audience is that's that's a business model. >> Look, I totally get it and I understand that this is something I I'll always have to deal with. Y >> but I can't say well it's many times we put the offers out then you come in show me show me how you would do it better and then we watch him fail and flop over and over and over again it's not as easy as it looks as you know >> of course and by the way a guy like Steven Crowder the the same way he had a bad fall he can make a massive comeback and be the main guy again >> at one point I think he was the main guy no wasn't Crowder like the guy. >> Mhm. Oh, yeah. He was a guy. He's coming back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm so glad he's coming back. I'm so glad like he's >> You can see the eyes that the eye of the tiger is back in it. Like you you can tell you're saying you're taking some credit. >> I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm I'm kidding. I'm literally kidding. >> He's going to call you and he's going to say something like, "What are you doing?" Uh, no. I think um I've told Stephen that I think that that he's wasted. Um and you know that he he does best. The thing is with him, and I completely understand it, uh, you know, he's built he's built a mode around himself, you know what I mean? And it's like, but that's not where you shine, man. >> You shine in that arena, engaging, you know, coffee. >> Yeah. Fighting it out. Like, you're he's really good at it. He's had tons and tons of guests coming in now >> and he's duking it out with them, >> right? And he's doing it in the Steven Crowder way, right? It's both respectful and it's insightful, >> sarcastic. He has to have all that. >> Yeah. And it's fun to watch and he's a super smart guy. >> What What do you believe in? If if because at the beginning in the first three minutes you said I hate progressives when I was going back and forth with them on Facebook and you know tell me tell me you know one and you you made one of the points on why you hate cap uh progressives when you asked me the question. You're like so twin brothers incest. Why is that wrong? Right. >> The reason I hate I'll explain to you why I hate progressives uh more than anything. Progressives have been for the last 10 years actually more running around calling everybody who disagrees with any of their crazy ass values fascists and authoritarians and dictators and things like this. These are the people who brought us the lockdowns. The stateisssued garment of the mask, right? Mandatory vaccines. They wanted they wanted vaccine passports. They shut down businesses. They gave us a fascist state. So when these people are in charge, they give you fascism. That's what they do. And yet all I ever hear these people do is run around. That's what they call him. They call him a fascist. I've heard him do it many times. You and your fascist friends. I've heard him say it. And it's like, >> you guys are on pers. You guys have pierced together many times. >> And they never tell us. But then we just show up and they'll have like a Steve Bunnell or they have just everybody completely on the left that didn't say one thing, not one thing, my body, my choice when they were telling them stay in the house. Oh, by the way, jab it into your kids. When you had people like Cuomo and them saying you know the real enemy is your fellow Americans when they were calling us us fascists and meanwhile they were behind this freaking Nazi ass. >> You weren't wearing your mask. You're trying to kill my grandma, right? They so this was when when in other words here's the way I view the world Christians if they are not in power if they're not ruling they're going to be ruled that's it so if that's the case and that is the case we live in a democracy which is full of structured power blocks everything is a power block and because of that you're going to be ruled by a power block or you're going to rule a power block this idea that Christians shouldn't be in charge I think is insane And I think it comes from a bizarre libertarian ethos that makes no sense where the idea here is you can be a Christian but you can't govern using Christian ethics. And it's like well yeah you can and yes you should. You absolutely should be able to govern using Christian ethics. That's the only way you should govern is from your ethical purview in fact. And if you're not governing if Christians aren't in charge somebody else is going to be in charge of them. And so this is a race for power. And it's always been a race for power. And for some reason, Christians have been convinced to give their power up. And one of the core seats of my message is that they shouldn't do that and instead should do everything they can to maintain political power. That's the non-apologetics branch. So the way that the internet is currently structured, you have the apologetics branch of Christianity. That's the role you're talking about with Trent Horn and Llaya Rose and these people. The apologetics branch. You have barely any of the political branch for Christianity. no good representation on that side. And politics is ugly and it's mean and it's brutal and it's not fun and it's full of slings and arrows and mudslinging and reputational assaults and reputational damage, right? That's what it's full of. I just wish the apologetics arm would get their [ __ ] together and understand that the very things that they're trying to fight against, abortion, things like this, they need the political arm for. And if they're not willing to engage in it, then they should at least support the people who are instead of endlessly criticizing them. And that's all they do. That's all they know how to do. But that's the way I see it. I see it as a power block struggle. You're either going to be ruled by the lunatics of the world or you're going to rule the lunatics of the world. >> Who which lunatic do you fear the most? And which lunatic seems like is making the most progress? >> Like Gavin Newsome. Lunatics like this. Uh we now have a communist in charge of New York. I [laughter] mean, you name the progressive. AOC, she's another lunatic. All of these progressives, from my view, are actual lunatics with no grounding ideology whatsoever other than what they've heard. They don't have God. They don't have Jesus. They don't have anything to turn to for epistemic grounding. Nothing. And they literally rule from feelings, suicidal empathy. And they put suicidal empathy in policy form. That's why we have mass migration. I mean, the most insane policy I could ever think of is let's bring in a million and a half people a year into into a nation. If you want to do immigration, fine, do immigration, but bring in a manageable number that can be integrated. 30,000, 50,000, 60,000. I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. You know, you can integrate those people over time. You can spread them out. You can do all this. That's not what's going on. What's going on is they're bringing in millions per year. In Australia, they're bringing in whole percentages of the population yearly. In Canada, the same thing. It's it's insanity. And then they go, "If you object, you're a Nazi." It's like, "What are you talking about? That's If I object to that, I'm a Nazi. You You're going to bring in people who don't have uh uh value structures that are the same as our value structures. They don't have the same uh type of American drive. They don't have the same values. They don't have the same anything." And me objecting to that means that I'm a fascist n. That's crazy to me. I consider that lunacy. I consider these people on the lunatic fringe of uh of the political spectrum and yet they're gaining power. And so they go, why is it that the fringe, right, is making such momentum? How can you have guys like Nick Fent making such momentum? And it's like he's a product of you. Okay, he's a product of you. Say, well, how come his message has come? How come his message is time has come? It's like because of you. You made it. You made it inevitable. It was really funny. Fuentes used to say America first is inevitable and people would scoff, right? And then the left made it inevitable that they think about what they did. They deplatformed the guy. They said, "Make your own technology, smart guy." So he did, right? So he makes his own streaming platform. Right? Next thing in the headlines, Nazis making their own streaming platforms. what he told him to. You deplatform from the one place that you can engage with him publicly that would get normal people to view him, right? And and others like him and he threw him off of that. They went they built their own platforms, not just him. Gavin did it too. Gavin McInness, right? Uh Stefon Mullyu had the largest philosophy show. I used I loved watching that show. Okay. Loved it. I would drive for hours listening to Stefon Mullyu pratt about philosophy because I'm a dork like that, right? hours of listening to this guy pratt and I'd always saying one day I'm gonna debate this [ __ ] idiot. But [laughter] uh I like the guy. >> Did you or no? >> I haven't yet. I will. But I I like the guy quite a bit. Don't get me wrong. I I really do. But I would listen to them for for hours, these guys. And YouTube systematically threw them all off the platform, not because of any actual violations to their terms of service. What they did was they reacted to the liberal progressive base and then based their terms of service on that reaction. And then the counternarrative was, well, go build your own. So they did. They went and they built their own. So now they've built all their own. And then they start amassing this huge audience completely unopposed. Okay. Well, times are changing. Now X is bought by Elon Musk. Suddenly that's freed up. They're all allowed to come back on X. Now they got another platform. And what can you do on X? Now you can video host, too. >> Now you can do video on X. >> And they can't just they can't just nuke you anymore, right? So now the whole arena's opened up, right? And the backlash is ginormous. And it's like all you got to do is go look in the mirror to see who's responsible for it. You dumb lefties. These stupid leftists did it. They did it all to themselves. Literally blew their feet off. What they did was they set their feet on fire to warm up their hands. That's what they did. >> Yeah. We're talking to a guy right before you came in, one of your biggest fans in the world who, you know, this is a Rob is laughing, but uh uh he says, uh, you know, all this stuff about feminism. I said, "Where do you think Andrew Tate came from? They created him. He didn't just all of a sudden start speaking this language that you know misogynist all this other stuff. No, no. They pushed men so much to try to make them feminine that guys are like is there anybody out there that is an alpha that that can just come and tell me the way it is. It's okay to be a man's man. Boom. Here shows up and Andrew next thing you know becomes the you know who he is and everyone's like Andrew Tate's a problem. You created him. Kind of goes back to the point you're making. My name is Andrew Wilson, host of The Crucible. Uh, as you guys know, I'm a political analyst and a political satist. If you want to talk directly with me, as many of my audience have requested that they be able to do, I've been able to carve out a uh a system on this platform, Manct in order to do that with you. That's on Man, uh, you can ask me whatever questions that you want. We can talk debate, we can talk strategy, we can talk about basically whatever it is that you've been wanting to talk with me about and I hope to see all of you there. But I want to ask you what what is more dangerous to America, progressive ideology or the the casual approach you take with, you know, uh, Muslims that are coming here who are not willing to assimilate and they still they want to convert this into what they believe in. Long-term, what's a bigger threat to you? >> Well, those two threats are intertwined. So, you have to understand that the Muslim mentality in the United States, after debating with so many of them, I understand what their goal is, and they they're pretty emphatic about stating it. Muslims also hate progressives, but progressives are useful idiots. >> Really useful idiots. Essentially, what Muslims do is they'll vote Democrat and they'll vote for leftist policies. They'll do whatever they need to do because leftists continue to open up the immigration trail for more Muslims to come in. So, as long as Muslims can use left-wingers uh for the path to bring more Muslims in, they'll vote left overwhelmingly. But you see them locally do exactly the opposite, which is amazingly fun to watch. So, locally, they'll be like, "No gays in school, right? No this, no women doing this, none of this degeneracy, right? We won't allow any of that." But then they vote for leftist politicians, and you're like, "Why would you do that?" Well, it's because the leftist politicians are opening up the pathways for citizenship for more Muslims to come in. It's a takeover. It's an invasion. It's always been an invasion. In Europe right now, it's an invasion. It's the same thing there. The lefties or the Muslims there, they'll vote for the lefties. Why? Because it's a very pragmatic thing to do to continue to keep the pathway of citizenship open. What do Muslims say their ultimate weapon is? The woman's womb. We'll breed you out. They don't care. They'll wait 200 years. They don't care. >> It's to infiltrate, populate, dominate, and never assimilate. Yeah. And then it's Sharia law. >> Yeah. >> But you know what it is? Because it's not happening, Andrew. Because it's not right now. Because people like, man, we're in a Christian nation. Which I actually wanted to ask you as well, who's which religion is basically running this show? Because I mean, Trump has even said Trump is not a Christian. He even said that one time in the interview. He's like, I'm not going to heaven. Which I never would want to hear from from a president. But but if you think about it right now, I don't think Andrew because people like we see it. We see the writing on the wall. He's come he had to escape from Iran. my parents, grandparents, all of them had to escape from that rule. And right now, because it's not actively in your face, it's happening in Texas. You see it in freaking um Minnesota. And it's about to start happening in New York. Nobody really sees it. But in 2030 years, like you said, the long the long game, they're winning. They're winning because it's not going to stop. What was the by60 is going to be the the most dominant uh religion is going to be Muslim. And you nailed it. And you nailed it. And they said it. There's a video of some guy Pat, the guy that used to be a hardcore Islamist and then converted. He's like, "We love the dem we use the the Democrats. We you we do it, but then when they come in, yeah, all the all the woke progressive um abortion, tr gay, all that good good like like Mamani, he's in a church or whatever talking with some uh trans and like we love him. We love him." You think his people, they actually agree with what he's talking about that they accept the gays, they accept the the women have to cover their heads. Elon Omar is dressed up all the freaking time wrapping your head around this is the clip right here, Pat. >> Yeah. >> Can you play that? >> Lord help us. Just listen to this. >> When I was an extremist Islamist, fundamentalist, I would only vote left. >> Why is that? >> I saw them as very stupid. I would fear the conservatives because they come with principle. >> That's not someone they can brainwash. But the left, I know they have no values and no principles to begin with. I dare you to find one Islamic extremist that votes for Donald Trump. Never do it. They'd give their vote to the leftist who wants to run around in in pride parades. And Islamic extremists are against gays and homosexuals and and transgenders, but they want the left to go and get busy with that. And she's fighting for abortion rights. My body, my choice. Yes, go do that. Go do that. But would she have an abortion? Never. Would she kill a Muslim in her stomach? Never. >> What is the fundamentalist jihadi agenda for America? >> The future of America has to be Muslim. >> No. >> And if you say that, Andrew, if we say this, by the way, you have no I I I can't say you have no idea. You know, and he knows cuz we get the same type of messages. I'm pretty sure you have lovely I just showed them a death threat that I got from a from a Muslim guy uh on on Instagram. And it's like it's it the writing is on the like and it's like the writing's here and people are telling you turn around and look and they're like, "No, no, no. It's it's it's not it's never going to be like that. >> You know what I always do with the Muslim death threats though? I always say, "I'm going to come kill you and rape your wife and kill your kids and blah blah blah blah blah." You know, and I'm always like, "Well, I can give you directions to my house, but do you have a high enough IQ to follow them?" [laughter] >> And they um >> they come back. >> Yeah. Then they just they start spuring out and then we just kind of laugh because it's really funny. They they get really mad. >> I think that was a moment with in with you in the debate with Daniel. Rob, if you want to pull it up. Uh [snorts] uh this is the moment you guys are having a debate and he is uh uh many Muslims view him as a great debater. Okay. Somebody that >> I can give you a precursor there. Tell me. >> So uh Kikachu does his homework just like me and I do consider him to be a very skilled debater and I did I took him very seriously. Uh he's an Ivy League graduate just like my other opponent at that debate was Richard Carrier uh who was a progressive. So I did two debates back to back, one on Saturday, one on Sunday, both with Ivy Leaguers. So I did take him very seriously. And when I came up to him and shook his hand before the debate started, I said, "Hello, Daniel. How are you? You're a great debater." And he said, "Yeah, you too." >> He said that. >> Yeah. He said, "Yeah, you too." So when we came up, I think we both he had a predictive model for me. In other words, he had sat down and predicted out what he thought my line of attack would be. The difference between us was that I predicted what he predicted that would that would be and so I was ready for it. He did not predict how I was actually going to come at him. >> So he didn't know that you were going to do this. >> He had no clue. >> Okay. So this is this is a very unique angle you took. >> Yeah. And it's funny because the core of the argument is actually twofold and people only picked up on the one. But I can explain the other end of it. >> Would you mind watching this first and you giving it to us Rob? Go ahead. Inbreeding has been occurring at a high rate for about 1,400 years since the early Islamic period encompassing most of the land still occupied by Islam today. It spread from the 8th to the 15th century moved into Persia, North Africa, South Asia, where it remains and has created some of the dumbest human beings on planet Earth. The most common type of inbreeding is first cousin marriage. The rates of first cousin marriage uh in comparison to Christian nations is staggeringly high even in comparison to regions occupied by Arab Christians. When a nation has both Christians and Muslims, Muslims are often double or higher than Christians. Example, India, Lebanon. Next slide, please. Muslim [clears throat] inbreeding. Oh, sorry. Sorry about that. Uh Pakistan at 65%. 65% meaning more likely than not you're having sex with your cousin and if you're not you're the weird one. >> 23 is incest. >> Okay. >> Wild. >> For the low IQ members of MDD that means these people are more likely than not having sex with their aunts or uncle's children. Saudi Arabia 50 to 58% with an average 76 IQ. Who would have thought it? UAE 54% 82 IQ uh the crown jewel of the Arab world. You are more likely than not to be banging your first cousin. Iran 40% 80 IQ. Yemen 45% 62.9 IQ. Qatar 30% 80.8 IQ. Now uh we we're going to continue right. Oman 36% 78 Syria 39% 74 IQ. Turkey 25% 86 IQ. Jordan 32% 80 IQ. Egypt 32% 76 IQ. It goes on and on and on and it just never gets better. Next slide please. Thank you. Compared to Christian countries, let's take a look. Uh, usually less than 1%. Now I wonder why Christians build better societies, ladies and gentlemen. Now, let's keep going. Uh, we want to pull up the slide. He's really upset here. >> Moving right along. >> As countries become more Christian, inbreeding declines, >> right? We can see this uh from church intervention in Spain 30 20 to 30% post recon uh Catholic Church banned cousin marriages for commoners, paple dispensations sold for royals. Italy similar high rates in the medieval period. The church enforced bans over the century. France high medieval uh canon law prohibited marriage within four degrees of relation. >> You can pause it right. Modern. Okay. Tell us. So you you're explaining this. The argument is higher IQ, better society, better jobs, better economy, low IQ, you make worse decisions, not the best opportunity, not the safest society. What was the second point you were trying to make? >> Yeah. So the debate to the the framing was which makes a better society, Islam or Christianity. I knew that Daniel's attack would be Christian societies have degeneracy in it. The easiest way to combat that is well I think it's pretty degenerate to be humping your first cousin. Okay. I think that that's way pretty degenerate. >> Reacted to you, right, Rob? There's even a the reaction of him where the audience laughs I believe and is is if you think the worst No, not this one. It's a 14-second clip that Rob that you have. You had it a minute ago. 14-second clip. Um that's it. Yes. If IQ is the end all beall, your entire argument is on the basis of IQ. You haven't said you just say, "Oh, uh, marrying your cousin, effing your cousin, that is degenerate." On the basis of what? It's not on the basis of your Bible. >> Oh my god. [laughter] >> You just It's just a degree. Yeah. Laugh it up. Laugh it up. >> Oh my god. What just said? >> It's like, so what? Like, it's like, and >> well, I knew that he would >> I knew that this was going to be bad for him going into the debate because I knew that he would have to double down and defend first cousin marriage. I knew it because the the this particular sect of Islam that he represents, they're crazy. Okay. And if he were to re try to go against it, his head's now in the chopping block, right? >> It basically put him in a pinser. But that wasn't even the core, right? The core, the crux of the argument wasn't just that we build way better societies as Christians because we've outlawed inbreeding. Uh so we our collective IQ is high enough to, you know, not have donkey pull cart. The core and the crux of the argument was really about ethics. They're constantly appealing to people they consider to be ethically inferior to them to not wipe them out. They're constantly appealing to societies 10 times more sophisticated than their own to uh to just literally not wipe them out and take all of their resources, which means they're banking on our benevolence. Literally banking on Christian benevolence. If that's the case, how you going to say we're the worst people on, you know, our ethics are wrong. We follow the wrong God. We, you know, we're not doing things right. You're banking on the benevolence of Jesus Christ to restrain us from going to the most oilrich portions of the world and not just putting you all to the sword. What's to stop us from doing that? Only our ethics. Only our ethical purview and faith in Jesus Christ is is what prevents that from happening to you. So, how about a little gratitude? How about a little gratitude towards these Christians you demonize all the time? How about a little bit How about a little thank you for stopping and restraining the hordes from going over with their enormous technology and just putting you barbarians to the sword cuz we could. >> Yeah. You made the argument that there was a there was a part of the the debate where I think you said it'll never happen. You guys will never take over because you're always going to need us. >> Not militarily. >> Yeah. You're always gonna you're never going to be able to do it because you're going to need us. Your point with that was militarily. >> Yes. Yeah. They could they could perhaps breed us out over time because of birth rates and other various things like this. But all you have to do right now is just look at the situation that they're in to note that they have a serious serious problem here with mass organization and mobilization. And that has a lot to do with IQ. They hate Jews. Muslims hate Jews to the point of I mean it's wild how much they they loathe them. This is an ancient conflict by the way. And uh whether you say that it's right or wrong that they hate them, we can at least acknowledge that they do. Well, they have 9 million Jews in their backyard and they can't do anything to them. >> That was the point you were making. >> Yeah. They can't do anything to them. >> They're totally these people are completely and totally surrounded, >> right? And they just whip the [ __ ] out of them every time they get into an engagement. And it's because the IQ of Jew and by the way they bring up for instance they'll say oh they there's incest and inbreeding in Israel too. It's true but it's very low very very low percentage and most of it guess what when they when you look into the stats on inbreeding it's the Palestinians >> there that's where you get most of the stats from yeah in Israel it's the Palestinians who are doing the inbreeding. And so it's like all you got to do is look at the IQ difference between the Palestinians and the Israelis. And then you realize if we're looking at it from a from a pure view of like might makes right that the Palestinians are completely and totally at the mercy of uh of the Jews in that area. They just are objectively they are. They there's no way for them to take on this advanced civilization. But what's ironic about it is neither can any of the other sophisticated nations around Pakistan for instance. They have nukes. Can they even deliver them? You know, can these can these low IQ 65% inbred people even deliver these nukes? I'm not even sure that they can. And so this was the point that I was I was ready to make. Um regardless of where you fall in the Israeli Palestine conflict. I'm not I'm not making a prescription here for what Israel is doing is right or wrong or anything in between. I'm just making the observation that 9 million of you versus the entire Arab world and the 9 million seem to be doing all right. There's got to be some reasons here. And if you look at the technological and IQ differences, it becomes very obvious what those reasons are. >> What is the Muslim population around Israel? >> Is it in the is it a billion plus? What is the Muslim population? >> I mean like I I think directly around it. It's not >> 600 million >> probably. >> Can you check Rob? What is the Muslim population around Israel meaning surrounding countries total? So the only one Indonesia wouldn't be there. So that's a big number that's going to be out. So if you total number what do you pull up Rob? >> Well over 100 million Muslims in the broader region. >> Yeah. >> So overund Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. and those hundred million cannot take out the nine million >> that not only can they not, it's actually worse. Um, it appears to me from a logistical military standpoint with Israel plus Israel's allies, which they've cultivated, which again takes a lot of high IQ diplomacy and things like this and integration to do. Uh, they whip the [ __ ] out of them. They recently had an exchange with Iran and not only were was the Iranian propaganda awful. I mean, you remember the ex propaganda from Iran, you know, over the war strikes and we got one missile through, you know, they said the whole payload got one missile through and they were dancing like they did something >> and it's like they were on the losing end of that very quickly and that was without uh now it is true that there was uh US allies which were assisting uh the Israelis with this but you have the entire Arab region as your allies to assist you and it appears to me like if they went to war with Israel, they would probably actually lose collectively because of the inability to do mass mobilization, to have military command structures, which are decent, and their ability to have kind of um like when you when you look at military logistics, it's very complex and it requires a ton of middle management. Middle management usually starts around 100 IQ. Upper management, you get to like, you know, 120, 130, stuff like this. But you need to have at least 95 to 100 just to have middle management. And logistics, it's all middle management. And so it's like I don't I don't think that they would fare all that well. >> So your uh the debate, the angle you took was purely IQ and that became a talk of town when you did that. >> Not just that, but ethics. >> Yeah. Now, his argument back to you was to be fair, he said, if that's the case, why are countries like Honduras, why are countries that are so Christian, how come they're not innovating? Why are they not winning? What was your argument to that? >> Well, actually they are. Uh there's they do make better civilizations. That's one much better civilizations. Uh what killed and has been killing South America for a long time is the integration of communism and socialism. Their relationship, especially with the USSR and the spread of communism. You saw this with Shay Vera and others. You also saw recent I mean right this second um it looks like we have another conflict that's brewing there and this is with what a socialist nation. You had Chavez who was a socialist as well a lot and you see this in Eastern Europe. Eastern Europe is behind Western Europe in many innovative ways because of what happened with communism and the integration of communism and it takes a long time to shrug that off. I mean it's such a destructive ideology but I still think that civilizationally we're talking about ideology here. Islam's ideology leads to inbreeding right communist and socialist ideology leads to a lack of innovation and stagnation which also has long-term side effects. >> Those are two different things and destructive in their own unique ways. >> Correct. >> One of them is values and principles. The other one is economically >> well and also values and principles. Communism is very much an atheistic view. The very first thing the USSR did in fact was actually put a separation in between church and state. The idea here was that Christianity was a thing. Remember what they did first. The communists killed the Orthodox Zar of of Russia. That's what they did. And they were taking out the Orthodox church. What the communists did to the Orthodox in the Eastern European nations is blood curling. I mean, it's just chilling when you read the stories of what they did to them. And it's because the Orthodox Christians, they have complete and total opposition most of the time to communism based on the ethical purviews that Orthodox Christians hold. And so they are instantly persecuted in communist nations. So again, it's the rejection I believe it's a spiritual war. It's a rejection of Christianity itself that actually leads to these worse outcomes even in communist nations. I don't think it's just purely economics. I think that it's I I consider all of these battles. >> Communism recommends incest. I don't know if communism >> it recommends abortion. It's what it's where feminism came from. The ideals of feminism came from communist feminist revolutionaries. Um the exportation of communist ideals are always academic and the academics always the very first thing they do is secularize the nation. Move God out of schools. Move God away from everybody. Right. I do think that it the the ideology of communism is very much antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ and the teachings of >> there's no question about it. But the difference is >> you don't see the link of incest with communism. No, >> all the other stuff. >> Fully agree. Listen, my mother said they were all communists. So yeah, >> I've read the communist manifesto. I've also read mine k. So you kind of have to see where both sides are. >> But uh yeah, incest is a different thing. So to me it's it's interesting. By the way, did you see the clip where the mayor of London is being asked about incest in the Pakistani community in in UK? This just happened. Did you see this? >> No. You haven't seen this? >> You think they watched my debate? >> And [laughter] by the way, and then they push them on crime and you should see how. By the way, first one is going to irritate the hell out of you. >> This is the Sadi. Is it Sadi? >> Yes, it is. Rob, is this the one about incest? Which one's the incest question with Pakistani? >> Go to that one. Is that crime or what is he talking about here? There's two of them. Not this one. There's two of his. >> Okay. Hang on. >> I sent you I sent you two of them. Okay. But I but the first one was >> Okay. Gotcha. The fir I believe this is the first one. >> Okay. So, if you want to if you want to pull one of them up. One of them >> later clip. I'll let you know which one it is. >> You mean >> No, no, no, no. >> Oh, this is it. Watch. >> I am saying exactly what I mean. I'm saying have we got any of those [music] grooming gangs in London? Uh uh I'm unfair to sure what is meant by the question. If you could spell it out, I can answer. >> I've just spelt it out. Are you not listening? It's a sort of gangs [music] that groom young girls at a young age for sex. Exactly. [music] How much clearer do you want me to be? >> What does she mean by that? >> You know full well what I mean by that. It's all over the television. You know exactly what I mean by that. [music] these gangs of people that are grooming young girls for sex. >> Do we actually have those in London? >> Do they want me to give a full answer? Can she be clear what she means by that? I'm not clear what she means. >> How much clearer do you want me to be? Look at the gangs that they've uncovered in other parts of the country. Do we have those gangs in London? It's a simple question. The answer is very simple. It's yes or no. [music] I'm not asking you where those gangs are because the police might not want them to be disclosed. I'm asking you, do we have those sort of gangs in London? >> I'm not sure why she's so nervous to say what she means. >> Are you kidding? >> What the hell are you talking about? >> I am saying exactly what I mean. I'm saying, "Have we got any [music] of those grooming gangs in London?" >> He can't answer it. >> He's one. He's Muslim. He can't he can't say anything. He can't just just like when Pierce Piers will never talk negative about them. Piers will never say anything negative cuz he lives there. And what do you think Sadik Khan is going to say? That's unbelievable. The the the fake arrogance ignorance of not know like what are you talking about? >> Suicidal empathy. >> Oh my god. >> That's sad. It's always it always comes down to [snorts] suicidal empathy and the progressive left is the people who push suicidal empathy the most. The the what's happened in uh Europe in Western Europe and what's happened in the UK is one of the most unjust and completely criminal things that I I I mean as far as justice goes. These people have consistently voted over and over and over again for less mass migration to their nation. And their government sells them out year after year after year after year after year. And then they go, "Oh, I don't understand why they're rioting in the streets. It must be because they're a bunch of racists." And it's like, if they weren't before, [laughter] well, they certainly are now. But the thing is is again, uh, these this doesn't happen except that you forced our hand. You forced it to happen. these people forced uh the hand of the people now in the UK to actually have to do something about this and then they're surprised when they do. It's like people have uh a set of determination. You can determine who comes into your nation. That's up to you to do. Everyone else is allowed to do this. Japan does this, right? Asian nations do this. Nobody's ever screaming about Japanese xenophobia. You ever heard a leftist once? You're like, "Wow, we really got to do something about all the xenophobic Japanese who don't let m any immigrants into their I've never heard it one time. Never because they don't care. Has nothing to do with that at all. It has to do with uh virtue signaling. This is all about virtue signaling." And the suicidal empathy that comes with virtue signaling. All of you people will think well of me if I'm so suicidal uh suicidally empathetic that I will sell my own nation out. Hey, at least everybody thinks well of me. This is the second one he does in regards to crime rates and stabbing, how it's been increasing. And he tries to twist it and the guy holds his foot to the fire. You got to see this. Holds his hand to the fire. Go ahead. >> Not law and order in London under you, mate. >> Can you sit there with a straight face and say crime is down? Since you became mayor in 2016, knife crime has gone up by 27%. Violence against a person has increased by 26%. Robbery has increased by 57%. Theft has increased by 37%. Shoplifting has increased by 109%. Sexual offenses have increased by 64%. All crime since you, Sadi Khan, became mayor of London have increased by 26%. Don't Londoners deserve the truth about the state of crime in the capital from you? to do with the the the the list that was read out. Theft from motor vehicle down by 18%. >> Over what date range? Over what date range? >> Over what date range? >> Over what date range? Since you became mayor of London. Over what date range? >> Over the last nine years. >> Not the last month. >> The last nine years. I know you don't like the truth, but apologize to Londoners over your tenure that you have allowed crime to skyrocket. >> By the way, they're getting vocal. Well, is it too late, Pat? Pat, is it too late? These guys That's the debate. That's the debate. Well, well, here's the thing because you said this, Andrew. They They didn't vote for it. They didn't want it, but the government's doing it. So, at what point At point are the people going to say enough is enough? Because we talked about this uh earlier in the week, Andrew. I guarantee if Gavin Newsome, god forbid, becomes the president of the United States in 2028, the first order of business, because he's pro, give every illegal, doesn't matter your status, give them health insurance. He loves them. He loves illegals. The first order of business is going to be open up the border. At what point do we as Americans just say hell no and we have to get involved ourselves? Because when the military they sent the military to pick up barbwire to to let these people in in Texas, like it's it's a purposeful invasion. When do we when do our soldiers they want to talk about all these orders that the soldiers are getting for Venezuela. When do we say no no no we're not doing that [ __ ] and we have to mo we have to do something because it's happening here. 20 million people are here. >> Well the thing is is uh I'm skeptical as to how well the quote counterrevolution goes. I think a renaissance is more likely and hopefully uh that's what we get as a renaissance instead of a counterrevolution. Ultimately, I don't have a lot of faith that there's going to be nearly as much backlash as other people have faith that there's going to be. And here's why. Let me explain my reasoning. There's food in the fridge. >> Yep. >> And there's air conditioning and you can still drive down the road, right? And for the average person who goes to work and goes home, these problems are still out there. Y they're not in here. And until they become in here problems, most people are very passive to these types of things. And that's how that's how things can get so bad so quickly before people actually begin paying attention and then usually it is too late. What's going on right now and what's going to continue to happen is the left is going to continue the mass importation of people who have value structures which are different than these domestic populations and they're going to cover it up by any means necessary. The last debate I did on Pierce was with Mark Lamont and a few other leftists and the these leftists, not Mark Lamont, right? Luckily, but the other leftists who were there, they were we were talking about hate speech laws in the UK and they were like, "Good, >> good. We're happy that if you send a text saying that somebody is uh, you know, the fsler, the quote fsler," which by the way, I don't even think is a big deal to say, right? Probably one of my favorite words on planet Earth to say, uh, I greet friends with it. [laughter] I mean, greet friends with it. Um, >> it's never towards a gay person. >> Yeah, it's never never. But the thing is, it's like, but even if it was, uh, who cares? You don't send people to jail for texting, uh, the fsler to people. That's ridiculous. That's insane. This is a nation which is founded. A lot of our constitutional values come from the philosophy of English philosophers like Hume others who were adamant about the various philosophies of freedom, and they're just bastardizing them. So, they'll cover it up. They'll cover up using they'll throw you in jail. They'll do any of these things like they did with Tommy Robinson, like they do with others. And uh I don't think a at all I don't share your enthusiasm. In other words, that until the situation goes into the home itself and people are feeling the effects there, I think you'll you'll continue to see the same sort of passive behavior that you've always seen. Now, if you can give me a week where Americans don't have enough to eat, I'll show you a government with a head on with with all their heads on a spike, man. But until we get there, >> how do you clean that up? How do you clean UK up? >> How do you clean it up? >> You have to take the Sargon of AOD. Interestingly enough, I recently watched one of his videos. He gave a bunch of criticisms to Pierce Morgan in the video. He starts the video with, "I don't like Pierce Morgan in the very Sargon of a COD way." Right. Um but in this video he what he says is uh you know he's trying to create an academic term for a remigration. He doesn't say you know uh throw them out. He says we're going to remigrate them. So we're going to remigrate you back to your country, right? [laughter] We're going to we're going to do remigration. >> Why would they agree to it? >> Well, they wouldn't agree to it. That's the thing, right? It's like uh I don't think you'll find agreement. But I do think that this is what the push is fast becoming in the UK from uh the right-wing is look, it's not just enough now for us to cut this off, right? We're already in it. Uh we have to actually start removing these people and sending them away. But of course, what is the first thing that the left does? You're Hitler. Hitler tried to send people away. Hitler tried to remove people groups from his country. Hitler. Hitler. Hitler. Hitler. Hitler. >> [laughter] >> And so because that's been like the the kind of go-to that's a fascist policy. You're going to send people away. You're going to remove them from your nation just like the mustache painter in Germany did. And this is why I think you see so much of the backlash uh from the Irony Bros and let's say the Irony Bros like uh like the Gropers for instance, right? 90% of the time they're referencing the Hitler thing and this and that is to make fun of that conditional. This conditional being this uh every every policy I have that you don't like doesn't make me Hitler, you idiot. Okay? Me wanting to remove uh dangerous people from my nation and migrate them back towards their country because the people here no longer want them here does not make you Adolf Hitler. That's part of what the irony bro thing was always about. And it's like uh people people kind of miss the forest through the trees on that I think. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think when you see that community, I think even Nick did it on uh um on Piers if I'm not mistaken when he asked him about Hitler. >> Do you remember that exchange between >> Yeah, he took he took the win. Well, I went on Piers after that and uh look just much like Steven Crowder and many others, I don't agree with a lot of the uh Fuentes style policies, right? Um, and we we hold somewhat different values. Uh, because he's a Roman Catholic and I'm an Orthodox Christian. We don't have exactly the same framework, but it's very close as far as theology goes. Let's just say it's, you know, there's there's a lot more there in common than not. Um, but there's there are some fundamental disagreements. But the fact of the matter is is that when Morgan was doing the the clip thing, right, Fentes has been through that a hundred times. You know, person plays bad clip, how dare you, clutch his pearls, right? We've been past that for a long time. >> Him. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, we've we as a nation have been past that for a long time. We we've heard it all, right? Grab them by the [ __ ] didn't work. >> That whole campaign didn't work. Uh Trump making fun of fat chicks, right? They cl everyone clutches their pearls. It didn't work. Right? That stuff doesn't work. Fuentes's strategy in that debate, at least he said his strategy was to basically just bite the bullet and say, "Yeah, sure, whatever." So anyway, you want to engage with my policy prescriptions now? And it just took all the wind out of the sales. You know what I mean? And that was the whole point. And I think that that's been the point of the irony bro thing for a long time. The whole thing is like if you're going to if you're going to call us this, what happens if we go okay and embrace it, right? And then say, "But what about the actual policies? Can you tell us what's unethical or what's bad or this or that? Right? And the answer is no. They can't. They can't. Now, do I think optically that that's wise? No. But you know what? I mean, it seems to have worked fine for him. Yeah. You you'll uh uh you'll debate a lot of uh um feminists on this uh whatever podcast that you, By the way, there was a guy that was on it a few years ago. I haven't seen him for two years. Do you know who I'm talking about? The good-looking guy that used to be >> Chase. >> Yeah. Chase used to be with a girl named uh uh Eva Iva Eva Eva something beautiful girl from uh uh Netherlands or something like that. >> They came to our house one time and we had lunch with him. Chase is another talent. I haven't seen him for a minute. >> Very uh very smart guy, very nice guy. I've been friends with him for a couple of years. Um him and my wife are friends as well. They talk back and forth on X. >> What What happened to him? >> Uh you know he went off and did his own thing. I'm not really. >> Is he still creating content or No, >> he he launched a show recently. His own show. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's doing >> because he's also capable. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's doing he's doing very well. Um he doesn't do arguments the same way that I do, but I think that the angle that he comes at it is just as valuable in many respects. >> I think he also smokes cigarettes. >> He does. Does he? Maybe he does. >> No, he he I I remember it specifically that he smoked cigarettes when he came to the house. We talked about it. Maybe I had one with him and I Yeah, >> I'm not selling anybody out, okay? I'm not selling anybody out. [laughter] I I can neither confirm nor deny. >> No, but I remember when he was there just watching him, I'm like this this guy if he gets it together, he can really do something. What I mean by get it together is knowing what direction he wants to go because he he was uh you have a different style. What's the main host name? The main guy. >> Brian Atlas. >> Brian. Brian Atlas. Brian is a good host. He's a good point guard. >> Very good point guard. manages the entire thing very well. What's his background, by the way? >> Uh Brian's. >> Yeah. >> Well, Brian had a prank channel for years on YouTube. >> Got it. >> Uh until he moved into this type of content. Uh very talented guy, very very smart guy. And he also was one of the like few guys in this sphere that I actually trust. >> Like he Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's done he's never done anything but right by me. Uh very very good guy. And there's very few of them. And I don't know what it is about entertainment specifically, but it does not breed good people usually [laughter] at all. >> So, here's a clip I want to play for you. Okay. Feminism. And And my goal is to try to turn you into a feminist by the time you're done watching this video, but I don't think it's going to work, Andrew. >> So, brace for impact. >> I'm ready. >> Open up your open-mindedness and see if this changes your mind. Vinnie, have you seen this or not? Okay. First of all, you guys going to love this clip. Go ahead. Go ahead, Rob. >> So refreshing. >> All right. Here's that check for you, sir. >> Sir, first of all, do not assume my pronouns. Second of all, how dare you assume that because I'm a man that I'm going to be paying for this whole dinner. Women are fully capable of paying for themselves. >> Oh, I'm I'm sorry. Do you want me to split the bill between you then? >> Actually, why don't we do this so we can really drive this point home for you? Because you're giving me very misogynistic vibes right now. Leave the entire belt and she will pay for the entire thing because she is a strong independent woman who does not need a man to provide for her. >> As a feminist woman, would you agree with that? >> Yeah. Yeah, I guess. >> Um, okay. Yeah. In that case, uh, here's the check, ma'am. Uh, I'm sorry. >> Okay. >> Cancelled. >> I cannot believe how toxic that guy was. >> So toxic. Oh my god, this is expensive. >> Oh, you got it. >> CAN YOU PUSH, [ __ ] >> GIVE ME A BREAK. >> YES. ARE YOU GOING TO HELP ME? >> Absolutely not. As a feminist man, I don't want to imply that you can't defend yourself just cuz you're a woman. >> Are you serious right now? >> Yeah. What? >> Yeah. >> All right. This I'm getting a conservative. >> What a great clip. >> Right. 60 seconds. >> Fight for yourself. >> Take everything out. >> You know what? You can pay for it. >> Yeah. And you can even the burglar. The burglar was like, "Wait, what?" >> Yeah. No, no. I I kind of want a conservative in my life is what I want. probably 60% of the conversations with feminists uh are revolve around the idea that that video is trying to convey which is where you you can't have equality and equity but then also demand privilege in society at the same time. And that's what those all are, aren't they? What what he's really pointing out is you you're you're getting all sorts of privileges that would never be afforded to me. It's instantly assumed I pay your bill. It's instantly assumed that I protect you. It's instantly assumed that you get the spot on the lifeboat if we're on the Titanics. This is all instantly just assumed. It's baked into the pie, right? Well, the thing is is that if that's the case, what are men getting? This was my argument with um what's her name? Tommy Lauren, right? The idea on and that was a huge viral clip on Pierce Morgan as well with Tommy Lauren where I took her to task on this very same concept. >> What was the topic? Well, in this case we were discussing uh she was basically saying that men are a bunch of sassy pants man babies now and this and that and I took her to task on it and pointed out to her that well you can you'll see in the clip I guess. [laughter] >> Is this it? Uh I believe so. Let's see a glimpse of it. >> So I'm really anxious to weigh in. Okay. So I think over the last probably 10 years there has been what I call the pussification of men. And it was everything should be about your emotions and your feelings. And men were emasculated. And this whole concept of toxic masculinity warped the minds of a lot of young men. And they felt masculine. They wanted to be masculine. But society was telling them they should be softer that it was being toxically masculine. If you wanted to play sports and chop wood and go to war. And so men were so emasculated and so beat down that then there was this revolution of what was actually toxic masculinity, the Tate brothers and others, which I feel as a female that that doesn't represent true masculinity. That to me represents douchebaggery. And as a woman, I want a strong man who is a protector and a provider that will go to war if need be, that will protect me, protect my family, make money. I see that as being actually masculine. That's like the man that I grew up with, my dad. But what we're seeing now is these young men who look at Andrew Tate and the Tate brothers and they see somebody who's just quite frankly a douchebag and disrespects women. And because they've been so emasculated, they're like, "Oh, great. That's a manly man." But that's not right either. So at some point, I think we'll go back to maybe meeting in the middle here. You can be a man who has feelings and emotions, but you can also go to war and protect and defend your family. I'm hoping that's not a girl, it's a guy. But the two extremes right now, very gay accusing men and quite frankly women with choices and that's the real tragedy here. >> You see, I completely agree with you, but Andrew, you were shaking your head quite vigorously. Why? >> Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just more feminine or feminist nonsense ultimately. And the covert feminism in society is big, especially on the conservative side. So, here's here's what happens, right? Women need to have feminine virtues for men to be pursuing masculine virtues. For you to say things like, "Well, men, what I want is for men to protect me and I want men to make money." Well, that's great. What that ends up doing is it gives you a set of privilege in society. What do men get? What do men get for doing that for you? What are we getting from women for doing that? Are we getting chased virgins on our wedding night? No, we're not getting chased virgins on our wedding night. Are we getting women of great virtue? No, we're not getting women of great virtue. The idea of courtly love is supposed to be done for women of great virtue. Where are they? Well, they're nowhere. And so in modernity, in society, when conservative influencer, female conservative influencers say this, it's actually a form of covert feminism. They're saying, "I want privilege in society, right?" But what is it women are giving to men to get it? What What are they giving them? And >> what did she say? >> She had no answer. She said, she said, "Men are just wired to do it." That was her response. Men are just I just believe men are wired to do that. Yes, I kid you not. That was her response. I believe men are That's why it went so viral because she said, "I just think that I just think men are wired that way. They're wired to be my slave. They're wired to go and make my money and put me in a position of privilege and this and that. In fact, you're lucky. Are don't you feel lucky that you're allowed to do that for her? You're a lucky guy. You're a real lucky guy. [laughter] Who Who has spooked you in a debate? Who's who's gotten you raged? Who's gotten you fully like pissed off where you're like you wanted to, you know, destroy them, but they actually got you a little bit? >> Uh, I mean, that's happened a few times in uh various debates. Um, the thing is is I've debated with hundreds of people over the years, you know what I mean? And over over that course, you're going to lose your cool from time to time. People often will take personal jabs. They'll attack you this and that. It's very trendy for people to attack my wife, for instance. Uh they know that the one of the pathways to attack somebody who has a family is what it's through the family, right? This is a way that they can try to get a rise out of you. Various things like this. Uh so there's been uh multiple instances where this has happened where um you know, I'm human. I'm going to get upset from time to time. Usually that's not the case. I don't think that you can judge or assess a person's entire body of work on whether or not they get upset here and there uh when they're debating various people, especially if uh people are bad faith or they're clip farming. I get that a lot. I'll be debating with people, especially Tik Tockers, and they're all just clip farming. They're looking for rage bait, in other words. >> Yeah. So, what's his name? Uh u um Muhammad Ali. Uh, as much as they call him the greatest of all time, the guy has been has lost six times. You know this, right? Do you know his record? >> Muhammad Ali. >> Yeah. He's the GOAT. >> Is he? >> Yeah. Who would you put ahead of him? Look at his record. 5 56 and five. >> Mhm. >> 56 and five. And if you ever go to the Muhammad Ali, didn't we go to the Muhammad Ali Museum together, V? >> Yeah, we did. >> Yeah. And you see all the times you go downstairs, they got this place in a basement which that day we were there. Who was there? Bob Costas was there. >> Bob Bob Cost. >> Who was a small guy? Bob Cas. Can you pull up Bob Custus to see if that's him or not? >> I think it was Bob Cussus. He was there. Yeah. By the way, >> that guy loves Trump. He's a Trump lover. That guy, I saw him with a MAGA shirt on and then he took that one off and he had another one on a complet. But I I would say, you know, he you know, at first at first when we went to the museum, I thought he was a jockey. [laughter] >> See, is is he on the smaller side? [laughter] >> No, because we're there for the derby. So, I thought one of the like veteran well-known [laughter] jockeyies was >> 5'7. Pat looked at him and went like this. Hey, good luck tomorrow. >> [laughter] >> I was like, "Wow, let me go ask him like, can I get an autograph? Maybe it's a legendary." No, there's no way he's 5'7. >> There's no way he's 57. And he's No, he's not 57. >> No, he's he's lower than that. But they have me as 5'10 over there. I'm freaking 5'8 and a half. >> No, I thought I thought I was like Listen, let's go take a picture with the legendary Jack. >> So funny. >> That is Bob Costas. So, by the way, Bob, if you forgive me, I just for sure for a split second, I thought it was like >> I wanted to get an autograph with some of the jockas. I love I love going to the derby and then you're like I think that's Bob Costas. Totally threw me off. Go ahead. >> Oh, I was saying interestingly enough with debates. >> Um there's people who you can beat on 90% of the topics who might be able to beat you on 10% of them. >> I agree. >> So it depends on the the person, the topic, the situation, right? Um >> you know Sam Shamman, you know Sam Shamman who we know Shimone Sam Shimone was here. He says, "If you want me to debate an atheist, I'm not the guy. >> If you want me to debate a, you know, uh, uh, whatever other, I'm not the guy. I'm the guy you want me to debate Muslims about. >> That's it. Quran. I'm that guy." >> Yep. >> Anybody else? Anything else, I'm not your guy for it. >> If it's that topic, I'll show up. If it's not, I won't show up. >> Know your strength. >> Good point. Exactly. And I and I understand that completely. Now, I have a much wider array of things that I debate than most debaters do. Much much wider. Everything from femini feminism to communism to I mean, you name it. And I've probably been on the other end debating it. And I have to debate it competently. And I have to >> debate it that you would like to debate. >> Uh David Pacman. >> You have not. I love that. >> I've been asking I've been asking. They've sent him emails. Multiple people have tried to set it up and the guy's just a chicken [ __ ] He just refuses to debate with me. just refuses. Oh, he's so But he's been he's been on my list for a while of uh yeah, him and then Parker from Tik Tok. He's been ducking a moderated debate with me. The only way he'll debate most these Tik Tockers is if you you have to go to their channel where they can mute you, >> right? Where they can lower your audio. Oh, this guy >> where it's completely and fundamentally unfair. That's the only way they'll do a debate. And so I'm, you know, I offered Parker $10,000 >> to do Yeah. to do a moderated debate >> and he won't do it. >> And he won't do it. No, these guys are >> He's the biggest Yeah. biggest chicken shits that I've ever seen in my life. And so, and I've tangled with him on Pierce and other places like this. He always loses, but and I understand why they don't want to do moderated debates because they can't just click the mute button and then that's the end of it. But yeah, wide variety of topics I'm always happy to get into all across the political spectrum and even I do engage somewhat in theology, though I think that there's better apologists than I am for sure. That's not my strength. my strength is the political arm. So, um that's that's what I do. But yes, it does depend the person, the the day, what the topic is, this and that. You know what I mean? So, if I'm debating with Destiny on meta ethics, he's going to lose, right? But it's possible that we could be debating on some other topic, >> you know, that he beats me like >> video games or something like that. >> Or, you know, there could be uh some political thing that he's been studying non-stop that he's just more familiar with than me. Maybe he beats uh beats the the tar off of me on those, right? Or beats beats the tar out of me on those. Uh but then he gets into meta ethics and he completely gets destroyed and devastated. So there's a lot of that that goes on. Some of these debates will go for five or six hours, you know, like the the last debate that I had there where it went viral cuz this this chick basically said that my wife should have killed her kids and it would have made her less promiscuous. That's what she said. Not kidding. >> Who's this? >> I don't even want to get into it, but anyway. Uh that's what she said. So ultimately what happens is uh this with this chick I was debating with her for six hours, right? She finally took a per what >> she finally took a Well, we just went over a huge wide variety of topics. She got beaten on every single time. >> Is she a famous? >> She's basically No, not at all. >> Is she a beback on whatever? Like the people that watch whatever >> have seen her many times. >> One time. >> Okay. So, how did she get on the show? >> I don't know. So, again, >> we got to call Brian like, "What are you doing when it comes to get this under control, buddy?" >> When it comes to Brian, he knows this about me, right? I'm probably if you offer me a debate, I'm probably just going to go do the debate. Like, that's that's likely going to happen. It doesn't really matter with who >> you debated this girl for 6 hours. >> Mhm. >> Damn. >> What What What are you guys talking about for six hours? >> She's a communist feminist. So, we went over a wide variety of topics. So, this is like, yeah, six-hour debate. Nima, I've done four or five hour debates with the Jubilee All-Star, right? I do think that that's way too long for a debate. I think, you know, two or three is much more reasonable. >> Oh, I've seen her. Yeah, I've seen her with Oh, she she's the one that looked at Charlie when Charlie smiled and said, "Ooh, that's a bad smile." >> And she tried to disrespect him right off the bat. I don't like that. >> You ever want to see her? She started the debate with me by saying she was a Jubilee. allstar and then >> she called herself that. >> Yeah. And I took I spent a good two hours just completely dismantling her and made her look like the dumbest person on planet Earth cuz she is. >> Is she though? Is she Is she smart or she >> No, she's an idiot. Complete [ __ ] >> Qualified. >> Oh yeah. If you if you if you want to laugh your ass off tonight, go home and watch the debate that I did with her, the last debate that I did with her in this series, um, where she claims she's a Jubilee Allstar, and watch her. I make her argue against her own position and she doesn't even know I'm doing it. What's this clip wrap? What is it? Let's watch maybe two of these clips and then let's wrap it up. This one is what? >> Uh, it says here, uh, them insulting each other during a debate on whatever podcast 23. Do you know what this one's about or? >> No, I don't. I don't know. Through your worldview, can you explain how force doctrine is wrong outside of preference or not? >> No. Andrew, by the way, what I was just doing is proving through your own ethical framework why you don't deserve [ __ ] You don't deserve a thank you for women from following the teachings of your own ethical framework brought to you by your God. Why should women thank men? That's what you wanted. You wanted a thank you from women for not us for doing the absolute bare minimum which your own ethical framework acknowledged is the absolute bare minimum. >> But that's my you just making my point. Are all men Christians? >> No. >> Then should we thank them? >> Well, yes. They're following their own secular ethical framework that is teaching them not to just ma other >> thank men. So you should thank men. >> Well, I mean not you not. >> But you should thank [laughter] I didn't say me. You said men. So you should thank men. I guess I should thank natural law. Thank you, natural law. I agree. >> How does what? >> Because [laughter] it's objectively immoral. >> Cuz it's objectively immoral to kill people. >> It's objectively immoral. I just can't demonstrate it. >> Do you not think that is objectively immoral? >> Only from my view, but not from yours. >> Uh, no. From everyone's view. >> No. Not from No. >> From literally every >> It's not literally from everyone's view. >> Kind of. Yeah. >> Kind of. No. >> Kind of. Yeah. >> Okay. From a Muslim's view, is it objectively immoral to take away rights from women? I mean, I'm not Muslim. >> Oh, God. [laughter] She got it. >> That's the argument. >> Yeah, she But but I watched her on Charlie. That's the place I've seen her >> where she was on the debate with Charlie. And then what's the other one, Rob? Do two Do one more. And then the the six-hour debate girl. >> This is the six-hour debate girl. >> Uhhuh. >> Go ahead. >> I'm going to I'll try to rephrase this. I'm going to reframe and I'm just going to be totally honest with you. >> I will never be able to convince you of my worldview. you are. >> I know. >> But the reason is not because I'm not a great orator or I don't make good points or I haven't said things which should be compelling to a person, but Charlie, I just think honestly you're too [ __ ] stupid to understand them. >> Which is true. >> So, Andrew, can I um [laughter] my world? >> Yeah. >> Your wife has three baby daddies and has been married twice before. >> And you under snizz >> under your religion. [laughter] Ah, they like snake. Don't talk [ __ ] about my wife, you stupid [ __ ] Shut your [ __ ] mouth. >> Shut your stupid [ __ ] mouth. >> Your wife with the three baby. >> What did I just say? >> Your wife with the baby. >> Sorry, doll. I'm sorry. Dyke, is she morally [laughter] inconsequential in comparison to your ditch licking? >> Do the men that you try to >> Do the women that you try to >> your hatred against the women that you shouldn't do. They know, did I bring your family? Did I bring any of your family into anything? >> Did I say anything about about your family being stupid, Charlie? It's because I'm better than you, Charlie. >> No, it's because you're embarrassed and you know that the traditional values that you try to sell people on are [ __ ] because you are not a traditional man. >> Chuck, let's go through it. >> You are not a traditional man. >> Let's go through it. Chuck, tell me what I'm doing which is immoral. >> Chuck, six hours. >> Mhm. >> Jeez. >> What did you say to her? What what she said? Well, from there what she did was she tried to go on to say that I'm a hypocrite because I tell men not to get married to single moms, which is not true. I have a nuanced position, which is it works out not so good for most people, but it's there's nothing ethically which is wrong with that. And then went on to say that she had slept with 10 guys and that and she's in her early 20s, right? She slept with 10 guys and that's okay because abortion is there and so abortion basically hides the crime and so what my wife should have done is just have a series of abortions and if she had done that then she wouldn't be viewed as promiscuous by society. That that was her argument. Abortion is there to hide the crime. >> Jeez. That's her argument. >> That's her argument. >> What a >> Yeah. Sick person. So, what happened is a sequence of Tik Tockers who absolutely hate me clipped this up out of context, right, and put it out there as though I was having some kind of meltdown. >> Clearly not. >> Re-watching that just now, it doesn't look like a meltdown to me. It looks to me like I'm defending myself and defending my position. And this chick went personal and so I gave her the personal jabs back. That's how it goes in debates. Is she Is she lesbian or straight? >> She's a dransitioner. >> What does that mean? >> It means that she was a female to male [ __ ] >> I can't go like that's too typical. >> Did she chop off anything? But she >> So that's a guy. >> No, that's a girl. She identified >> but took a bunch of hormones to become a guy. >> Oh man. >> Is what she did and then dtransitioned from that. That's wrong. >> Why would she Why would she Why would she do that? Why would why if you're gonna go for it? What What was the Did was there an explanation for why she went to he and then back? >> I wasn't I wasn't particularly Was she attractive? She looks attractive. >> I don't know. But I wasn't particularly >> I'm asking that like what causes an attractive girl >> to do that. >> Oh, well, she has a mind virus. She has a leftist mind virus. Like she's all about the gays and all about the, you know, she's all about that [ __ ] >> So now So now she's she's back to a woman, but she's dating women. She's with women >> and men. >> Oh, she's Okay. >> So, she's she doesn't discriminate. She wants both. >> She does both. Yeah. So, what I what happened there was um that exchange, right? When she tried to take a shot, I took a shot back and then went on to debunk her point. I disproved it. And she said that women should be having abortions to basically cover up their promiscuity. That was what her her actual argument was. But what her initial attempt was was that I was some kind of hypocrite within my own ethical view, but never could demonstrate how. So I was like, how? What's the hypocrisy? What's wrong with a Christian dating a woman has children? And apparently the perceived uh hypocrisy is that, well, you give men, you tell men that that's a lowv value woman or that they can't be loved. And I'm like, I've never said any of that [ __ ] What the hell are you talking about? And I think what happens is because I'm in red pill spaces a lot or I'm in manosphere spaces a lot debating with feminists and other people that people attribute their worldview to me even though I've never said any of this [ __ ] I don't know what the hell they're talking about. [laughter] Right. I I just had done in this debate series previously. >> Yeah. To to be to be fair to you. A guy from Llaya Rose's community as a man may say that but that's not you. >> You understand what I'm saying? Like you know how their position is the >> I'm saving myself. I don't drink. I don't do this. I don't do that. And I'm >> and I play the right my entire life and you shouldn't do this. You're not saying that. >> No, that's not the point. >> Even at the beginning of the podcast, you said, "I don't even like giving people advice." >> I don't because true. >> You know, it may or may not work. >> Well, and the thing is is unless you're intricately familiar with a person, you're probably going to give them bad advice. And people the the thing that's really funny about this is people often will lie to you. They don't want to tell you the exact details of what's going on even when they're asking you for advice because they they want to be judged a certain way. And this actually hurts the advice process as well. Yeah. Right. Because now you're giving them advice based on things or they may not even be telling you the truth about which could lead them astray too. That's not my thing. >> I can understand the argument though. I can understand the argument of somebody saying uh uh you claim to be this but then you ended up with a girl that. I can understand that argument. >> Yes, but it has to have merit. So the thing is >> yeah it has to have merit and not only that the hypocrisy comes if you judge others who did that and if you do you're going to get push back. >> Sure if you're doing that. But if it's like listen here's the reason I was a mess. I was partying. I was drinking. I was doing this. I found her. She changed my life. We went through a season together. We dated for six years. We didn't get married right off the bat. We were not ready to. 6 years later, we did. We've been married for 12 years. This is how our stories. Okay, great. Um, well, advocation too is situations require nuance, >> right? >> There may be times where I attack a single mother for the conditional of being a single mother depending on why. So, for instance, let's say that there's a woman who says, "Uh, I'm I'm a single mom by choice because I hate men and don't want my kid to have a father in their life, right? >> I'm definitely going to attack that position." >> Yeah. >> But that's not attacking her because she's a single mother. That's attacking the conditionals around why. >> Yeah. I saw a video the other day. Uh uh Oh my god. I was I cannot Vinnie I cannot tell you how impressed and confused I was >> okay >> with the way you you cuz it's not comment let me see if this is the one Rob I'm going to send it to you see if you can pull this up they're having a conversation she's looking at she's talking to guys says what would you like to do on the first date this is the one Rob >> okay you know this thing where you pop the balloon I don't know if you've seen the pop the balloon stuff that you know >> Oh yeah >> okay so this one guy comes up and the scroll in the red dress. >> Okay. Is this the one rap? >> Yeah. >> Do you have it? >> I do. >> You got to see this, Vinnie. I have a feeling you're going to try to find her and slide in her DMs. >> Okay. >> You'll see why in a minute. >> Wholesome Christian Vinnie Dawn. You >> just watch. Just watch. Go ahead. That's the one. >> I'm going to let you ask the question cuz you are the initiator and I I'll follow that. >> So, what does your initial first date look like with a man? My initial first date is asking him what where he wants to bring me and daytime. Is he a planner? So I will know kind of where he's at and what he has in store and what type of life I would be walking into. So my initial first date would be up to the man. I would not want to be the one planning that. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, I wasn't saying like plan like what type of stuff are you would you like to do on a first date as far as are you into >> I want to do what he wants to do. >> Oh, I like that. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Cuz I I'm I'm there to learn him and I'm there to know him. >> But he got to learn you too, though. >> And he'll learn me when I walk into his world. >> Oh, god damn. Okay. >> But walk into my world first. >> I'm not providing a world for you. So, >> not at all. >> My world. Did you get it? >> Really doesn't matter. >> She's like, "Show me you. I'm She's right or not. let him keep >> of what what have I cultivated? >> Have I nurtured my world? Where is where can my world take him right >> when I enter his world? So that's why I won't present the preconceived notion of what I want to do because he might show me something new and now I just limited myself. >> Lord the music I don't want to hear already exposed to and I never gave him a chance to step me into his world. So >> damn. Okay, >> that guy, >> can we bring her up here or what? >> Like [laughter] like I want to know. >> Did you >> What' you think about that? >> I mean, here's the thing. You got to be cautious. So, after after having talked to just >> I like I'd love to have the appropriate place for her to be >> is on the whatever podcast. >> For sure. >> Well, maybe. But the thing is is after having talked with hundreds of women Yeah. on that podcast and and male feminists as well. >> There there are there are chameleons and femons and things like this who will adopt this worldview and pretend that that that it's their worldview when it's really not. And it's a way for them to compete in a hypergamous nature for what they consider a high value man to be. They're adopting the talking. >> Can be. It's not always, but it can be. >> You know her? >> No, I don't know who she is. Do you know her, Rinnie? >> Not yet. >> But I'm I'm just [laughter] I'm just always cautious my world to see me like this. Huh? >> Because I've heard I've heard this type of spiel many times before and I ask a couple of questions and the whole thing falls apart. >> What are the two questions? What do you ask? >> Well, usually I'll just ask things like who's the ultimate decider and why? Like why why does a man why is the man why is why does he get to be the ultimate decider in this thing? How come? If you have like you're let's say that the two of you have a disagreement, you can't come to terms. >> Yeah. >> And you feel very strongly about it. >> Why does he why do you get why do you defer to him? Why does he get to make the ultimate decision? And often times you'll hear them say things very quickly. They change their tune into things like why we just wouldn't be with a person if we came to an impass that we couldn't agree on. And I'm like well you realize in relationships that's going to happen. And most people don't know that. Most people haven't been in long-term enough relationships to realize impasses do happen. And one person actually does have to ultimately be the decider when that impass happens. And the other person is going to have to go along with it or else there's not going to be a relationship. Like there's going to be a point in almost every relationship where that happens. And for a lot of these people, they don't even understand that. They have no concept of that. They think that everything is a discussion and a democracy and uh you know the two of us will come to some kind of even ground here. And it's like that's not always the case. And when it's not the case, you're going to have to defer to one of you. So which one? Which one gets to make the decision? >> So she says the man. >> Well, if she says the man, I usually will just ask, "And why? Why the man?" >> Because he's the leader of the household. >> Usually they'll say some things like that. Uh but sometimes they'll they'll usually revert back to why I just wouldn't be with a person like that. >> Got it. >> Right. And it's like if they say because he's the head of the household and I have a traditional upbringing that's why that's a fair answer, right? But the fem will say I just wouldn't be with a man like that. I want a man who's I'm equally yolked with ultimately, right? And blah blah blah blah. And it comes back down to egalitarianism. So, I'm just always cautious on first answers because uh women, not just women, but men, too, like to put their best foot forward. >> Yeah. >> Right. And so, you just got to be cautious. >> Well, listen, the reason why I played that out is because Vinnie and her have been dating for seven months. >> And I wanted to see what you were going to say about her. [laughter] He fell for it. Andrew like what the so >> true what was real quick [laughter] and what is like she cheated on me on the second date. >> No there's no relation. We've never met her before. We're just having fun with you. Well Andrew um you know there's characters online that I watch >> and I'm interested in them as a human being. I did the same thing with you know uh uh other guys at Brown. I think we did the one with Nick a couple months ago just to find out why he believes in what he believes in and you learn more. This was a great exercise learning more about you and uh anybody that's watching this that wants to ask this man any question for him to piss you off or for you to piss him off. You can ask a question I believe on MC if I'm not mistaken. Rob Natalya was telling me the account was set up in a past. So if we can set that up for him to be able to ask the question, you can ask him the question on Man. And where can people find you? What podcast? You can find me on The Crucible on YouTube. I also have a daily show on Rumble called The Extravaganza. Um that runs 4 days a week, Monday through Thursday. And you can also find me on Twitter X. Um I I maybe I shouldn't say Twitter X anymore. Just X. I guess >> I still say Twitter. Hi. >> Tweet. I just tweeted. Send a tweet. >> It's way more catchy, isn't it? >> Twitter. Tweet. It is. >> It's way more catchy. >> Like what do you do on X? You just post. I just posted something on X. I post it. Yeah, exactly. Too many words. But yeah, I'm uh I'm there. I'm paleocriscon on X and uh you can also find >> uh let's see what else do I have going on. That's that's the main ones. >> Let's put those below, Rob. >> Mhm. >> And uh Andrew, God willing, you'll get a chance to debate uh Pacman and uh we've had him here before. He was a great salesperson at Circuit City back in the day. He loves getting paid commission. Bring that up when you do talk to him. He's a big commission guy. Oh man, I I should have told got into one more story with you. >> What's that? >> The the Unfuck America tour. You know what that is? >> Have you ever heard of that? >> No. >> The Unfuck America Tour is a real thing. It's a real thing. Okay. So, you're speaking about Destiny and these people, right? >> No. No. I'm talking about Pac-Man. >> I know. I know. But these all all I think all these people, including Pac-Man, I'm not sure if he's associated with it, but it wouldn't surprise me. Um, basically what they did was they followed around Charlie Kirk. This was a a bunch of Tik Tockers and things like this. They followed around TPUSA in order to do debates on the same college campuses TPUSA was doing. Well, now they have they're going across the street from Amfest in order to do some debates. Reached out to me to negotiate a debate with Destiny and some other guy. Right? >> So, we get through ne or we're going into negotiations this and that. I go ahead and decline, right? based on some of the criteria that I didn't like. And that was it. Right? That's the end of the negotiations. The head of Unfuck America goes on Twitter, starts calling starts calling me and it was Myron Gaines a coward and all sorts of other things uh on this debate that we had not even agreed to do. We were just in the negotiations for, right? Uh Z or something like that. How is it that this organization is going to bring right-wingers in to do these debates with their leftists if you can't even negotiate with them without them without them? >> Is this Amy Zelmer? >> Yeah. Z Cohen. Yeah, this this one I thought that that was a Okay, now maybe I got this wrong. I thought that that was a trans. Honestly, I see I thought it was a trans. >> That's the founder of it. >> Yeah. Well, I don't know if it's a founder, but I think >> Can I see the picture, Rob? >> Yes. Uh, >> go back. I just want you to picture like >> Well, you can't really tell. >> Yeah, it just >> it's I don't I wouldn't be able to say guy or girl. And I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just I'm being honest. >> I get I thought I thought so, but I guess I was wrong about that. But anyway, um >> Zen Sanchez. >> Yeah. Just freaks freaks out about this whole thing. Uh even though it never it never got past the negotiation phase for for an actual debate. It's the wildest thing in the world. But yeah, this is the the what's called the unfuck America tour. Just totally useless leftists who basically are piggybacking off of the success of TPUSA and Republican organizations to try to bait people in for debates. Wildst thing I've ever seen. >> Interesting. >> Mhm. This all comes from another they had another one before this another that all these streamers were involved in. Um, it wasn't called the Unfuck America Tour then, but basically they an organization came in and bought up Twitch politics and the streamers who were in Twitch politics as well and uh tried to turn them into a political apparatus and it was a big disaster. So, I can't wait to see this thing crash and burn either. >> Where where are you at with the the Turning Point USA, Candace, all that stuff? Have you commented on that or No, >> I think that Candace is crazy. >> Really? >> Yeah. I mean, >> tell me why. because she I I spent a lot of time um it's true I didn't like her already because she she attacked Steven Crowder when he needed her the most. Right. But um that wasn't it. It was I listened very carefully to what she was saying on the Breijit Mcronone situation. Never a single piece of positive evidence that she brought to the table. Nothing. But when it came to the Charlie Kirk stuff, it's much much much worse. Almost no positive evidence. But the most important thing that drove me crazy is the lack of charitability. Meaning there people in the TPUSA camp post assassination, they were coming out, they were talking, they were discussing their various experiences. They were there, right? Well, when people uh have an event like that, they get details sometimes wrong, right? They don't have perfect recall in the details. So, for instance, she was harping on a guy who said, you know, I remember the very first thing this other dude said was, you know, I got to call Erica. And she's like, well, you know, that wasn't the actually the first phone call they made. They made a different phone call and then called Erica. And it's like, who gives a [ __ ] right? What does that mean? That's not telling us anything that's useful here. That's not giving us actual information. It's just being completely uncharitable to the person uh who may not have perfect recall after this traumatic event or may remember events differently. Which is why most of the time eyewitness testimony is considered somewhat unreliable in court because people are flawed. They're less, you know, they uh they they have less than perfect memories. They remember things out of sequence or they might they may remember an event very vividly uh but then give it added context or take context away from it. That's just how human beings operate. And most of the conjecture and conspiracy theories she puts up are due almost 100% just to a lack of charitability of what another person is saying. And it's like uh if she if she had just added a just a small amount of charitability when these people are telling their stories, she'd walk away with wildly different conclusions. >> Well, I was going to ask uh the one thing because I haven't a I don't have the time. I I'm not I we adore Charlie, but I don't have time to sit there and watch the whole threemon soap opera saga. I can't do I can't I cannot do it. I have I have so much stuff going on in my life. >> But the one thing that I just saw recently was the somebody Charlie text uh Andrew Kov or somebody the night before. This is like this has just been proven with our conversation with Erica Kirk and it's a fact. Charlie texted someone I think one or two Pat the night before and said they are trying to kill me full stop. The real question is what would make I know people sometimes say like I just said before this podcast these guys they want to kill me. I know they do. They they text it. They're saying it. What would make Charlie the day before he was actually assassinated say they are trying to kill me. And who they >> Huh? >> He didn't. The text actually said the left is trying to kill me. And that just came out. The left is trying to kill me. And this was this is what I mean by lack of charitability. So when that's a bold claim, right? They're trying to kill me. >> Yeah, they are trying to kill. >> A whole different statement than the left is trying to kill me. Is that what is that what it actually? >> It's wants. It's wants, by the way. I don't think trying. It's wants. >> And I I believe that what that what that actually was was the left wants to kill me. See, I I didn't I didn't hear the left the left part, but to say that the day before you get assassinated, it's pretty >> like I mean, think about it. The left >> Yeah, but you see the context change like >> they want to kill me >> or the left or >> the left a massive context change, right? >> But I mean, I would like to see that like again it's not their responsibility. >> Now, I believe now you I mean maybe I'm getting this detail wrong and you guys can fact check me. I'm open to it right now to being fact checked on this, but I believe that that came out in her conversation with Erica Kirk that the message actually said the left wants to kill me. Now, if I'm wrong about that, hey, I'll eat Crow, but I I do believe that that's what was said. >> I thought I I I didn't hear that one. >> They are going to kill me. She replied over and over. It was Israel. She saw the text herself and it clearly said they was the left. Well, they they they clearly that they but he didn't say it wasn't in the text that it was the left. It just they. So meaning in the context of the conversation it was they. Still still weird. The night before you get assassinated the they I don't think he was talking about you know the furry loving whatever. Uh what the hell is Tyler Robinson? >> Even if the message itself and maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong here. It didn't say specifically the left wants to kill me but the precursor contextually was a bunch of leftists are after me and then he says yeah they want to kill me. You know what I mean? That's that's the same exact thing, right? In context, and this is what I mean by just and and that comes down to a lack of charitability. It comes down to like before you you can make a judgment or an assessment like that, context is critical and key. >> And so many people jump the gun on these things because they refuse to wait for the additional context, the key context. Uh and so they build frames around it, which are untrue. Remember back to the the very first part of the conversation with Patrick. What did my dad teach me to get to the core the core root? Most people believe things which are totally unfounded because they've been told to them even though they have no justification for the things they say. That was one of those things. There wasn't actually good justification for her to immediately assume they meant Israel or anything else. And it could easily be a simple explanation like somebody said leftists are trying to kill you. Oh yeah, they're they're always trying to kill me. You know what I mean? And that shifts context radically. And because of that, I find myself distrusting, very distrusting of any information which comes out of the Candace camp. I just do because every single time the context gets shown with it, it radically changes the situation. >> Do you trust the FBI? I mean, >> yeah. I don't think it's a dialectic. Like they say, if you don't trust Candace, it's fed slop. You don't have to trust either. You don't have to believe that the FBI is being straightforward and this in a criminal case. You don't have to believe that at all. But what you should do is at least wait until they provide the the state provides the evidence. This guy's alive. He's not dead. He's there to answer. He can still answer questions. There's going to be a trial. We can wait until the state presents its evidence and then poke holes in that evidence, right? And then attack that evidence. We don't have to make this giant speculative leap that foreign nations, especially Israel. Charlie Kirk was the biggesting Zionist on planet Earth. He was the biggest Zionist Christian I've ever seen. And to make this jump that Israel killed him, he was like their main cheerleader. It just it always seemed absurd to me. But then when you dive into it and you realize that very quickly context changes when we have more of a clear picture. It's like I'm not willing to make the judgment assessment under Trump's FBI that they're just feeding me [ __ ] just yet. I want to see what they have to say and I want to see what the where the actual evidence leads. >> You saw the Dan Bonino yesterday stepping down. >> Yeah. >> So >> that's terrible. >> That's it's I mean like what is but here's my thing. What would make somebody like that who I know loves the country that there's no question there's absolutely zero question what makes a Dan Bon because I heard and again you're right you have to wait for the that it was going to be cash that he was not happy with Cash Patel's uh stance but then to hear that it was Dan Bonino >> well and the thing is is like I remember watching Dan Bino on the Epstein stuff on Rumble. >> Yes. >> And that that guy is a real smart guy. Oh yeah. >> And he dove into and I mean he doesn't know who I am which is fair enough. this guy's larger than life. He's huge. Um, but I remember listening to him uh tons and tons of times on the Epste stuff and he was really adamant, you know, and him getting in that FBI position, people had a lot of big expectations. Yep. >> That, hey, uh, we got the guy in there who doesn't believe and then when he came out and he was like, actually, >> he killed himself. >> It destroy I think that that was such a brutal killing blow to him. Um, and I'm not sure Here's what I wonder and I do wonder this right and I'm this is pure speculation right so you don't take it to the bank anybody okay just just uh thoughts in my head if he when he went in there he did see some things on Epstein that were that raised his eyebrows and he was told to basically come out and say this and he did and he has a lot of regrets about it and this is a reason he's leaving this is a big form of speculation that's going on. I'm not sure that that's in any way that or shape or form the case though. So, but it is something that >> has crossed my mind. Yes. >> I saw his post when he announced he's going into the FBI. He got a few hundred thousand likes. >> His post yesterday that he is stepping down. Um, let's see here. Uh uh uh um if you look at the post of him stepping down yesterday >> I'm leaving right there but 11.1 million views. >> Yeah. Yeah. So to me >> I don't know. Thank you. I uh I think I think people thought he was going to go in and do stuff with Epstein and the interview we all watched we were all suspect about. >> Yeah. >> The way he answered and he's doing stuff with his eyes and overreact. I'm like, >> see now there with the Epstein stuff, there is compelling evidence. The brother of Epstein had, you know, the the um you know, he had his own expert come in to uh try to do analysis and verification on the official story. And he they did present evidence that this looked like it possibly could have been a murder by suffocation and various things. And that evidence is at least compelling. But the guy that brought in the guy they brought in >> anybody that ever hired him, >> the guy sided with the person that paid him. >> I don't know if that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> So, anybody that hired him to investigate who was behind it always sided with the person that paid him. >> Sure. However, that doesn't mean he's wrong. >> No, it doesn't mean he's wrong. But, and so if if you have six patterns of that happening, and the guy's an 80-year-old something guy. It's not like a guy. >> It's enough to raise an eyebrow. It's enough to raise an eyebrow, >> but it's at least some evidence. >> Sure. I get it's something you ought to consider, but it goes back to when you're talking about, you know, when there's an eyewitness and it happens and people mis misremember the sequence of what happened first, right? >> Well, first they open the door, then they walked in, then they shot. Are you sure? Did they shoot first then open? >> I don't remember. It's kind of like, so you don't So, but you got to put into considerate. to me when he does his first podcast in the next six months. If how is he going to do a podcast? Think about it. Is it going to be 19 things I learned in the FBI that they don't want you to know about? He can't do that. >> No, of course not. >> He can't do that. It's okay. >> So, the entire time he's thinking about what things am I going to comment on? >> What are you going to comment on? >> What if what if he came out and he's a whistleblower? He's not going to do that. >> Then protect it under whistleblower laws. >> He's not going to do that because I think >> destroy >> the hardest part about, >> you know, when you when you when you join the mob and everything is a mob. It doesn't matter what you think about. >> You're a made man. You don't just walk away, right? >> Well, he is a made man. He is. >> So, he is a made man. So, if you're going to walk away and go back to regular life, >> Yeah. >> listen, you better You don't think they have stuff on everything with >> Dan and you know, in this video he's talking about how tough it is on his marriage and how I don't know if you saw that interview says, "You realize how tough this on my marriage? I don't see my wife. We're having a hard time. We're separated right now." He says, "Not separated as divorce. We're just separated for the last 6 months. We really This is not a This is not like a you know, oh my god, what an awesome job. I can't wait to be, you know, the director or you do this. >> Pretty shitty job that you got. >> Yeah. >> Especially if you're a family guy. >> Oh. >> And Cash is not a family guy. Cash has got a girlfriend. >> Yeah. That he's doing podcasts with. >> Totally get it. But what I'm saying is he's got >> Did your girlfriend sue Elijah Schaefer? >> Yes. >> I don't know. >> She was getting sued because they said that she was a honeypot allegedly for Israel and they sued >> sued him for like 10 million for a lot of money. I think we showed it, Pat. We made a he made a video. You played it a while ago about the guy saying he's like, "Bro, I didn't say >> who is Elisha Schaefer." >> He's a podcaster. >> Can you pull him up real quick, Rob? I'll let you know the moment I see his face. >> Yeah, this guy I I we showed it. >> Yeah, we made that video. But then but then and I know we want to close back. You have to understand too like what you're talking about the conscience. they release besides the the influencers holding the Epstein list which is complete BS and it was such an embarrassment with all the lying from Pam Bondi and all these people just alone Andrew the doctorred video of splicing out moments in his jail cell of Epstein's jail cell it's like you guys took out 30 seconds what are we doing >> it was it was >> do you think just to ask you directly yeah >> right >> do you think that Trump is named in the Epstein files I I [snorts] don't think his name is, if I had to guess and assume, I think very powerful people that he knows that gave him potentially money, they're on there. There's a lot of >> Is it a dealbreaker for you? >> I I don't like I I'm anti any He knows this. He knows me more than anybody here. Anything with children, Andrew, as a Christian Bible reading, the major most warning spots in the Bible, I think it's uh Ephesians chapter uh 12, something like that, verse 6, about harming children. That's the worst. You might as well tie a millstone around your neck and throw yourself in the deepest parts of the ocean, which the the symbolism is God sees everything. Why would God say in the deepest parts of the ocean? Cuz he wants you out of his freaking sight. If >> if it came out that Trump not that Trump did any of this stuff, but just people adjacent to him >> and he's protecting them. I'm not It's over. I'm done. I'm done. I don't play Andrew. >> I think that that's the correct take. Honestly, >> you know what my position is? >> I love kids. I can't I can't play that game. >> What about What about the the I guess my last question for you since I got you here is like >> you do realize though that our federal government engages in blackmail operations like that all over the world along with other governments. >> Yes. >> Sometimes to good effect like sometimes like that's really to our benefit that they do that. [laughter] Right. >> It's he's he sat there multiple times because Andrew great I love that you said that. I had to wake up to that fact because I said, "Let justice be done though the heavens fall." Meaning, if we're built on that like, and I get what you're saying. How does God, the ultimate judge, look at us? Everything's people are manipulating each other and doing everything to to further the the dominance and the power of the United I get what you're saying and trust me, I know that they're doing it cuz it it didn't start with Trump. This has been going It's such a powerful thing, Andrew. They've all been involved. Well, it's gone through four administrations. >> Four of them. Four [laughter] of them. Yeah. So, yeah. Exactly. So, my point is my my attitude is I understand 100%. He's he's explained and I get it. It's just, bro, I don't I I know for a fact God isn't going, "Yeah, you know what? Keep the pedophilia a secret because X, Y, and Z are there and we have a good relationship with this country." I'm anti that 1,000%. Because God, you're not hiding from from him at all. He sees it all. He said, you were going to say something too, Pat before. >> No, I was going to say what he said. I was going to say what he said, which is, you know, um uh what what is the the inventory of intel that we've shared with MSAD? >> Let's say we go there. I've had Mark Epste >> NMI6 and not just MI6 and MSAD, quite multiple intel. Say you're sharing that intel with them and say you have had control of some of the most powerful people that are evil people in the world and you can hang on to that for all this time so they don't do anything dumb. Is that better to save the lives of current hundreds if not millions of people? That's the argument. Okay. So you can you can sit there and >> but as a Christian if if he's he's going he's going from Christian ethics >> as the Christian argument you're the argument. >> So from the ethics but remember >> from the ethics side it's like >> Trump at Charlie Kirk's memorial what did he say? >> I I'm with evil his >> his >> lord and savior. >> Yes. Not >> he never said he says with Charlie Kirk's >> lord and >> lord and savior. He never said our >> n to Trump when he says I'm not going to heaven. Yeah, >> maybe to him he's accepted it >> and he thinks to have this job, I don't live by the standard you live, then it is what it is. >> But if he's saying from his standard, from the standard of Christian ethics, he's saying, who cares? Like even if it protects hundreds of thousands of people, it's not worth one kid having that happen. That's a remarkably consistent position that I can't really beat a person up over because it is consistent. >> There is. But to what extent? So, uh, uh, keep that position to the extent of extent of you'd be willing to replace Trump for Kamla, to the extent of you'd be willing to replace Trump for Newsome, or to the extent of you would be willing to replace Trump with a super conservative guy like a Dantis. Well, then that's a different position. That's primary. Yeah. >> But what if we flipped it a little bit? >> Okay, I'm I'm willing to do all of that if it's the case that this behavior stops. Wouldn't that still be consistent? So let's say if if you were to say, "Okay, I will replace Trump with Kamla, but only under the condition that these blackmail operations using underage kids as sexual objects also stops." >> And would you take the deal then? >> Do you believe somebody on the progressive side is going to have that kind of a belief system? >> But let's just say hypothetically notice a great thing. Let's just say hypothetically they would. Would you make the deal then? Would you replace them then? What other values and principles would I need to accept that comes with that package? >> Yeah, that's >> Would I need to accept the package of LGBTQ? Would I need to accept the package of allow 20 million immigrants to come in? Of which >> Well, Trump's not exactly LGBTQ to be >> No, he's not. But, but you know what his argument was in 2016 when they asked him about it? In 2015 20 In 2015, they asked him about it. They said, "So, what is your position with LGBTQ?" He said, "Isn't that already a law? What are we talking about? Let's move on." It was a two-c conversation. and he moved on from it, right? Because >> he Trump is very calculating. He looks at what are the top five issues. Why would I make a 12 issue a number three issue? No. Boom. Here's my top five issue. They're sending their worst. They're rapists. They're this. They're that. And we got to build a wall. Boom. Go. >> Yes. I'm behind it. Then comes an, hey, guys are praying over him. Is he a Christian? Is he not a Christian? Nobody knows you. I used to go to the church of Norman Vincent Peele with power of positive thinking and that that's a different Christian power. >> You think that that's a more a more powerful argument. >> Which one >> the well so the argument from complexity he's saying like look this is a really complex world that we live in and even if it was the case that Trump knew about this and is protecting these people the greater harm actually would be to allow Kla Harris to perform another 700,000 abortions this next year. And that and that's yeah that's such a it's such a freaking crazy argu like I'm any 100% like I'm I'm >> you know what you know what George Clooney said he said something about uh if somebody harms my kid I don't know what it was. >> Who was this? He says uh Clooney he says something about I he says something about guns or I don't know what the argument was but the argument was I don't believe in that policy because it was a conservative policy. He says but if somebody did this to my daughter I would go and kill them >> and I would gladly go to jail. Okay. Okay. What's the point? If you find out that happened to your your whatever kid, somebody that niece, nephew, and you're like, "Oh, you did that? No problem. I'll go to jail for life." >> I'll come and take you on. Like, who was the UFC fighter, right? And I got to wrap it up cuz I'll take you. >> He He just got Dos Santos. >> He just got um possibly parole. >> Yeah. He just >> He went I said, "What did you do?" Boom. And he shot him. I don't know what he did. He He kicked his ass. He did something to >> Kane Kane Kane Velasquez was Yeah, >> Kane Velasquez came. >> There he is. There he is, Robbie. He just got He just He just hit the news. >> If you go to News, Rob, go back and just go to news, >> you know. Uh >> pearl eligibility. He went after the guy that molested somebody in his family, >> nephew or something like that. Right. So to me, you know, that's where you sit there and you say, I'm going to either leave it up to God, >> the 14-year-old kid with a 10-year-old son that he experienced 10 years ago, which I think that you told me was a you haven't spoken about this, but one other time. >> Mhm. >> In that moment, what do you do? Do you leave it up to God or do you go and say really I for I'm coming? That's the individual's choice. >> And that's why just like the the sniper cop that sits down and tells them you're going to get $5 gifts. Send thank you cards. She's going to change. She will never be the same again. She's still the same person as inside, but you have to try to find a way to find that person. But she's permanently changed. Right. Okay. Someone's going to sit there if that happens to you. It's going to be like, "Look, I know you want to kill this guy. But if you kill this guy, look what you have here. They're going to suffer. >> You have still a kid left. You have still two kids left. You still have a You got siblings. You got this. People are relying on you." And then your battle is what? I'm going to kill you. >> Yeah, of course. >> So that's flesh >> and that's faith in God. What a battle. >> Wow. >> To go through. >> I understand that. >> Yep. >> Vengeance in the blood. Like when I was talking about his eyes and I say your eyes tell me you don't trust anybody. You're super skeptical and you have, you know, rage in you. Why is that? Right? I get that. But when you have a handful of countries that are hoping for you to have a massive fall and this country's values and principles, billions of people around the world are hoping America makes it so they can come back and influence a little bit of our country. Hey man, can you guys just keep it together? Can you guys Americans don't get a divorce? Can you guys like stay silent because you're concerning me and I'm living in Brazil or I'm living in this? I I don't want to leave Brazil, but I kind of want America to stay strong. I think that part that person's job of being the president, it is not everybody's job. When you become a president, you you have to accept the fact that your decisions will kill people. >> Your decisions will cost a lot of people's lives. >> Politics always a trade-off. >> Don't run for office if you don't want it. >> Yeah. >> Don't do it. It's not for you. That's his job. let him deal with his maker on what he wants to do. And that's my position. But I understand why he's doing what he's doing. To me, he has such a control, I believe, over 20, 30, 40, 50 people. And that's kind of keeping it together. That blackmail or whatever you want to call it. Maybe you wouldn't do it. Maybe the average person watching right now saying, "Screw you guys. I don't agree with you." Totally get it. But that typically in a family, you know, you get pissed off. >> I think they do get it. I don't think everybody gets it. No, but I think enough do. >> I agree with you. I do think enough do. But I do think there's a percent like but no. But no, but no. And I get it. Like you know when you're you you're a father and you have kids and >> 80% of the stuff the kids are not going to understand. What are you talking about? >> You'll know in 20 years. >> Yeah. >> Relax, bro. >> Go try to get straight A point. >> Yeah. Go try to get straight A's right now. One day you'll understand what the [ __ ] you know what is going on here. Till that day, play your sports, play your Muay Thai, play your stuff, go do whatever you're doing with your Fortnite and then read some books and then later on as we're evolving, I'll tell you more about the family. And by the way, guess what, kid? What? There's about eight things you will never know about your family. Really? Yes. Just like there's 40 things I don't know about my mom and my dad, and we all have to live with it. We move on. Anyways, Andrew, I I can already tell from just the last 30 minutes, you're a conversationalist. And how how big is your podcast right now? I how how well is it doing? >> Yeah, you're a good host. Is it mainly you talking or do you bring people and have conversations as well? >> Mostly me. I'm a freestanding creator. So, it's mostly me who >> But I think you also have you also are a good point guard. I think you're also a good point guard. I think you you know uh uh >> I've always I've always done well in this setting. >> Yeah. But but no, you some are just scorers >> and they're killer scores >> and some are, you know, uh uh triple threat, like they're good at giving points that go viral. I want to know what that guy has to say. What did And Andrew Wilson say about this, right? And then there are guys that like create the conversation. Uh uh and then there's guys that are very entertaining. You just listen like Tim Dylan. You don't whether you agree with him or not, he's going to entertain the [ __ ] out of you, right? you you're a you're a good point guard as well. I only saw you as a scorer, but you're actually very good point guard as well. Take it for, you know, whatever you do with that compliment, it's up to you. I'm just telling you, you're a good point guard. You ought to entertain bringing panel because I think you're a good guy at holding it together as well. But this has been a blast. Appreciate you for coming out. Really, >> it's great to meet you. >> Likewise. >> By the way, for those of you watching, um, if you're ever asked to be a guest on this podcast, they treat you extremely well. And to guys like me, that's very important. I've been uh on podcasts where that's not the case. And this one, they really rolled out the red carpet. So, I really appreciate that. >> Well, we appreciate you saying that. We appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much for that, guys. Uh, you are going to see this right around Christmas. Okay. So, merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Enjoy yourself. We'll see you guys soon. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. My name is Andrew Wilson, host of The Crucible. Uh, as you guys know, I'm a political analyst and a political satist. If you want to talk directly with me, as many of my audience have requested that they be able to do, I've been able to carve out a uh a system on this platform, Manct in order to do that with you. That's on Man. Uh you can ask me whatever questions that you want. We can talk debate, we can talk strategy, we can talk about basically whatever it is that you've been wanting to talk with me about. And I hope to see all of you there.