When You Die on the Narcissist

I'm in an excellent mood today. So, I decided today dane to descend from my throne and respond to a comment by one of my loyal subjects. My name is Sam Vaknin. I'm the author of Malignant Self Love, Narcissism Revisited, and a professor of psychology. And here's the comment. Hi, Sam. In terms of the narcissist objectifying you as a snapshot, can you explain what would happen if the exartner was to suddenly pass away? How would the narcissist deal with the internal snapshot after death and also the fact that the stream of supply has been totally destroyed? A primary source of supply for years suddenly dies. What would happen? Well, I keep saying that the narcissist is a 2-year-old, and it's very important to understand that the emotional life of a narcissist is the exact equivalent of a toddler's. The narcissist perceives the death of a prim a source of primary narcissistic supply, secondary narcissistic supply, the death of an intimate partner, participant in the shared fantasy. Narcissist perceives the death of others who fulfill any function within the narcissistic economy. He perceives their death as a form of abandonment, as having been discarded. He is resentful and bitter and angry at people for dying inconsiderately. Death in terms of the narcissist is the disappearance of the external object which corresponds to the internal object. In the absence of an external object, the internal object atrophies and is basically threatened. It is through the friction with the external object that the narcissist maintains the inner psychonamic of the introject landscape. Now let's revert to English [laughter] which is a language I'm well versed with. Um I'm going to show you now an analysis of what happens when you discard the narcissist first. Now there are many ways to discard the narcissist. You can discard the narcissist physically by walking away. You can discard the narcissist emotionally by becoming absent and distant and detached. You can discard the narcissist by humiliating and shaming and mortifying and injuring the narcissist. You can also discard the narcissist regrettably by dying. When you die, the narcissist perceives this as abandonment, rejection, separation, and the ultimate discard. It triggers in the narcissist separation, insecurity, aka abandonment, anxiety. Enjoy the rest of the video. What is the only thing more rare than a narcissist with empathy? It is a Salvakin video shorter than 3 hours. [laughter] Today is the day you've been waiting for. A short Sam, well, relatively [clears throat] short Sam Vaknin video. I can see in the audience people tearing up, hugging, praying to their gods, sacrificing cattle as a token of gratitude. Yes, the day is upon us and I've heard your cries and I, as any benevolent God would do, am responding. Today we're going to discuss what happens to the poor narcissist [laughter] when you are the one who discards him before he has a chance to devalue and discard you. And who is better to answer this question than Sam Vaknin the author of malignant self- loveve narcissism revisited a former visiting professor of psychology a current member of the faculty of seups and the list is long. Okay, let's get straight to the point. If we want to keep this this one under one hour, when you discard the narcissist, when you are the one who puts an end to the shared fantasy before the narcissist has had a chance to convert you into a persary object in his mind, before he got the chance to devalue you and discard you on his own terms. This of course leads to narcissistic injury. If you put an end to the relationship, if you break up and you discard the narcissist publicly in a way that involves humiliation and shame, for example, if you pick up another guy in public in front of the narcissist's peers and venture into the night with him, something that has happened to me quite a few times, then this results in motification. So the outcomes of um your initiative to discard the narcissist could be either narcissistic injury or narcissistic modification. Now these are two totally separate thing things psychonamically. Narcissistic injury provokes the false self to overreact. Grandiosity is enhanced. It's as if the narcissist closes ranks and um tries to compensate for the injury with rage. Um rage that renders him in his own eyes omnipotent and godlike to be feared and avoided and so on so forth. This is injury. Motification on the other hand has much more long-lasting effects and much more devastating ones. The narcissist false self is deactivated and disabled. The narcissist decompensates. In other words, his defenses are no longer able to shield him from reality. His grandiosity suffers a major blow. Cognitive distortion, no longer works. Reality intrudes. The breakup, the discard, the humiliation, the public humiliation, the shame erupt. And they could be life-threatening. Now, I've seen all kinds of self-styled experts online with and without academic degrees conflating and confusing narcissistic injury, narcissistic collapse and narcissistic motification. They are not the same and they don't have the same uh outcomes. So, you've caused injury if the breakup was in private or you've caused mortification if you broke up with him in public in a humiliating and shaming way. And then then what happens? The shell fantasy is put on hold, of course, because you're out. You've made it very clear that you will not conform to the snapshot to the internal object in the narcissist mind that represents you and that is essentially idealized and has become a maternal figure. You have resigned. You've given notice. I'm out of here. I'm bailing out and no longer participating in your charade. At that minute, you're converted. In the narcissist's mind, he begins to perceive you as a rejecting and frustrating mother, a maternal figure, which is the exact equivalent, a replica and a clone of his real mother, the original mother, which wouldn't let him separate and individuate. And of course, because you had become his real mother by rejecting him and discarding him, this retraumatizes him. He goes through the original early childhood trauma again and he perceives you as an abuser. The original trauma had had been has been co had been caused by a dead mother. A mother who was absent or selfish or instrumentalizing or or parentifier mother who mistreated the child. So it's been traumatic. When you discard the narcissist, you step into the shoes of his original mother, his real biological mother who have who had rejected him. And she did this. She rejected him by abusing him. And so you become an abuser in the narcissist's mind. It is also known as the secondary object. And then the narcissist, as I mentioned, decompensates. And some narcissists act out. They become essentially psychonamically they become borderlines. No longer in possession of narcissistic defenses against their overwhelming emotions. They emotionally disregulate with negative effectivity. In other words, their negative emotions take over, especially anger, fear, envy, and so on. And then they act out. They do something crazy. They crazy make they do something crazy, reckless, defiant, something very hurtful and harmful and often criminal. So discarding the narcissist before he has had a chance to devalue you might lead the narcissist. Some narcissist not all might lead the narcissist especially if the discard was by way of motification might lead such a narcissist to act out and to seek to harm you. Revenge or some other way. Flying monkeys there are numerous strategies. smear campaign. The numerous strategies the narcissist have at their disposal when they try to harm someone. The narcissist dissociates all this. It is too difficult to bear. It's too hard on him. The retraumatization is one inch removed from disintegration and a psychotic break to protect himself to shield himself from the outcomes of your discard. the narcissist dissociates and he's likely to forget amnesia. He's likely to forget a lot of the things he's likely to do. So the narcissist will be very surprised if you were to confront him with some of the things he's done. And so the the narcissist essentially if you want to understand the narcissist following a discard essentially it's a borderline. So you would you would do well to watch the videos on my borderline in my borderline personality disorder playlist on this channel. So this is the first reaction. You're an enemy. You are a replica or a clone of his original mother. You rejected him. You frustrated him. You retraumatized him. All his defenses crumble. He decompensates. Sometimes he acts out in a crazy way in order to harm you. exact revenge and restore justice in his eyes, he tends to dissociate a lot of this. And if it's injury, his grandiosity is heightened. In the case of narcissistic injury, his grandiosity is heightened and leads to narcissistic rage. If it's narcissistic motification, he will is likely to withdraw, regroup, and then choose one of two solutions, which I will discuss in a minute. In the meantime, another dynamic that happens is that the narcissist experiences separation insecurity, also known as abandonment anxiety. Within the shared fantasy, you are a maternal figure. And even if a shared fantasy is 5 days old, you're still a maternal figure. Even in a one night stand, you're a maternal figure. So, having discarded the narcissist, especially if you've done this in public and in a shaming way, a way that puts him down and hurts him in public, this leads to an overwhelming sense of abandonment and separation, extreme insecurity, extreme anxiety, uncontrollable, overwhelming drowning. Again, very very akin, very similar to borderline personality dis disorder. The narcissist needs to restore object constancy. The narcissist maintains stable introjects. Introjects to remind you are internal objects, internal voices that represent you in the narcissist's mind. Now as distinct as opposed to the to someone with borderline the narcissist maintains stable introjects. The borderline cannot she doesn't have stable introjects. Out of sight, out of mind. The narcissist is ex exactly the opposite of borderline. The only real thing the only real things are the introjects. The internal objects are the only realities in his life. But now that you have discarded him, there is a mismatch, a discordance, a dissonance between the introject of you, the internal object that represents you in his mind and the real who has just discarded him. So by discarding the narcissist, you have diverged, you have deviated from your introject in the narcissist's mind, from the internal object that represents you, from your snapshot. And so this creates what I call introject dissonance. The only way to resolve an introject dissolence is to hoover you or to stalk you to reintroduce you into the shared fantasy so that you can again conform to the internal object. This is known this is what I labeled coercive snapshotting. This is one of the forms of coercive snapshotting. Having discarded him in private or in public, the Narcissist will do everything in his power to bring you back so that the introjects in his mind will be kept whole, will not be damaged and he will not have to alter them. The only exception is motification. Following motification, the narcissist will avoid you. He will convert your introject into a secretary object into an enemy and will never see you again or be in touch with you again. But in the vast majority of cases discarding the narcissist does not create motification. It takes a lot to mortify the narcissist. In the overwhelming number of cases, discarding the narcissist creates narcissistic injury. And to repair the damaged grandiosity, the narcissist needs you. And he needs you in a way that affirms and butresses and confirms the internal object in his mind. Internal object that represents you in his mind. [clears throat] So this is why narcissist hoover. That's why they stalk you. And you should be uh fully cognizant of this and ready. Prepare yourself for these kinds of behaviors. So again a recap. You have rejected the narcissist. You have discarded him before he had a chance to devalue you. That means separation individuation is incomplete because you're a maternal figure. You're a mother. And again there's a failure of separation individuation. Exactly like his original mother. You have rejected him. You've frustrated him. You've retraumatized him. You've traumatized him. So this creates narcissistic injury or motification. He feels abandoned. He develops abandonment anxiety and he wants you back in his life in order to mitigate or amilarate the anxiety and to merge you again with the introject with the internal object that represents you in his mind. This is the only solution. In the meantime, the nar narcissist is furiously at work trying to make sense of what has happened. You see, in the narcissist's mind, he's not an abuser. He's not coercive. He's a nice guy. He's helpful. He's loving. He's caring. He's attentive. He's compassionate. Yeah, he may engage in tough love, but that's because he loves you. The narcissist mind is imshed and immersed in the shared fantasy. And a fantasy is a fantasy. It it's divorced from reality. So the narcissist's appraisal of your relationship. The way [clears throat] he sees your relationship is dramatically different to the way you see the relationship. In his mind, having been discarded is betrayal. You've betrayed him. By discarding him, you have stabbed him in the back. You've betrayed him, especially if you went away with another man. Yeah. So, he has to make sense of this. He feels extreme injustice. [clears throat] He feels that he has been mistreated. He is the one who has been abused and victimized. And this of course challenges his perception of himself as invulnerable, immune to the consequences of his actions, godlike, above everything, above it all, above the free, uh untouchable and strong and resilient. So here you are with a single act of discarding him. You've shattered the house of cards which is the narcissist's self-image and self-perception. And he needs to reframe. He needs to reframe what has happened. And there are two ways of reframing. What is known as internal solution and what is known as external solution. The internal in the internal solution the narcissist convinces himself that he is the one who initiated the discard. He pushed you to discard him. He manipulated you into breaking up. He is the one who has brainwashed you and entrained you and controlled you and brought on this consequence, this behavioral consequence. So whatever you do, whatever you may do, whatever you may have done, it's all the narcissist doing. This is a grandio defense. The internal solution is a grandio defense. Yeah, she discarded me. Yeah, she broke up with me. Yeah, she went away with another guy. Um, yeah, she humiliated me and shamed me in public by doing this or something else. But I made her do it. She was just a robot. She was an extension. She was at my beck and call. She was under my control. I I'm the one who caused all this to happen. That's the godlike. I'm I'm God. It's a godlike defense. So that's the internal solution. The external solution is she is evil. [snorts] She's bad. She's malicious. She did this on purpose. She would do it to anyone. And so that's the way she is. She's corrupt. That's a p the external solution. The external [clears throat] solution is pseudary. I am all good says the narcissist. And she is all bad. The act of discard therefore is a badge of honor. Because I'm all good. This all bad person couldn't be with me. The very fact that I've been discarded by her just goes to show how decrepit and evil and malevolent and wicked she is. because I'm a good good partner and a good person. And so the breakup is all for the better. The discard is proof of my virtue of my of of the high moral ground that I um that I occupy. So it's a badge of honor. I can go around telling people, "Wow, I had this horrible partner who's been abusive, who's been malevolent and malicious, and luckily I uh she she just walked away." So, these are these are the two ways that the narcissist reframes your discard. when he's discarded by you, he goes around saying, "I made her do it. Therefore, I'm in control." Or he goes around saying, "She was evil. She is nothing to she there's nothing to regret. I should be grateful that she is uh walked walked away. I should be grateful that she broke up with me." Still the narcissist goes through stages of grief and mourning but not for you, not from the intimate partner, for the shared fantasy. The narcissist invests inordinate amounts of emotional energy cexis in the shared fantasy. He constructs it. He works on the details. He keeps reliving living and reliving it. He keeps imagining. He keeps hoping. He keeps daydreaming. And then you just walk away. You just you just discard him. You just put an end to it cruy, suddenly, abruptly, mercilessly, callously, ruthlessly. And the shell fantasy is gone and done in mid in midlife. And there's a lot of mourning and grief involved. The mourning and the grief motivate the narcissist to find a substitution for you, substitute for you, to replace you ASAP. Now there are two types of replacement. Isomorphic replacement and dissimilar replacement. Some narcissists would go around looking for someone who is your copy, your replica, resembles you physically, resembles you emotionally, resembles you as far as your cultural background, societal background, ethnic background, another another version of you. So this is the isomorphic replacement. Other narcissists would opt for the exact opposite of you. So they would go for an intimate partner who is not like you in any way, shape or form, who is not even remotely reminiscent of you. Isomorphic replacement is common with narcissistic injury. Dissimilar replacements are common with modification. Of course, when I say he, it's a she. When I say she, it's a he. Gender pronouns are interchangeable. And another caveat, everything I say here is about intimate relationships, but it applies to friendships. It applies to workplaces. It applies to church and other collectives. The narcissist relates to the world only via a shared fantasy. The narcissist converts everything into a shared fantasy. And so everything I've described here applies perfectly to having been discarded by a friend, not by an intimate partner. Okay, I will continue. Faced with the grief in the morning for the stalled frozen shirt fantasy, the narcissist needs to complete the stages. So he looks for a substitute or replacement. Then once he has found the replacement, he completes the disrupted shared fantasy. And this is what is known as repetition compulsion. He simply goes through the the phases that are left. Remember when you are the one to discard the narcissist. The narcissist is still stuck in the idealization phase. So, it's easy for him to transition to another intimate partner or friend or co or whatever and continue from the idealization phase. The narcissist's lovebombing of you has created in his mind a snapshot, an internal object that is photoshopped, idealized. He just takes this internal object and applies it to a new partner or a new friend or a new colleague, whatever. It just takes this snapshot, this internal object and applies it to another person and then it it takes it on from there. It continues as if nothing has happened. That's why I keep telling victims of narcissists, you are funible. You're like so many pieces of rice, grains of rice. You're a commodity. You're interchangeable. It's the internal object that matters. The external objects come and go. The internal object is forever. And so there's a new content in the internal object, a new partner. And then the narcissist continues with a new partner where where he has stopped with you or where you have stopped and exited. And hopefully with a new partner, he says to himself, I will be able to reach the phase of devaluation and discard. I will then have attained separation and individuation from this maternal figure and resolve the early childhood or childhood conflict once and for all.