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Mike Mentzer's journey from a successful bodybuilder to a philosophical adherent of Objectivism marks a profound shift in his worldview during the early 1980s. After discovering Ayn Rand's ideas, he sought to align every aspect of his life, including science and physical training, with the principles of reason and rationality. This intellectual evolution provided him with a coherent framework that contrasted sharply with the commercialized and often pseudoscientific nature of the bodybuilding industry at the time. However, this period of ideological purity came at a steep personal cost; by the late 1980s, Mentzer faced severe poverty after refusing to compromise his principles for the "powers to be" like Joe Weider. Compounded by the deaths of his parents and his own descent into paranoia and mental illness, he experienced homelessness and hallucinations, believing that industry rivals had sent assassins after him. His darkest moments were characterized by a struggle between madness and reason, a conflict that ultimately found resolution through both psychiatric intervention and philosophical grounding. Following suicide attempts and a psychotic episode that led to his arrest for possessing illegal substances, Mentzer entered prison, which he surprisingly viewed as a blessing due to the structure it provided and access to proper medical treatment. During this time, he studied extensively and began to use Objectivism as a therapeutic tool against his delusions. A pivotal moment occurred when his friend John Little helped him confront his belief that he had met God by pointing out Rand's arguments against the supernatural, effectively using philosophical logic as a form of medication for his mind. This process allowed Mentzer to gradually return to reality, demonstrating how his commitment to reason served as an anchor during his most vulnerable times. In the 1990s, Mentzer emerged from prison as a highly productive writer and trainer who became a unique voice in the fitness world by integrating high-intensity training with philosophical discourse. Unlike typical bodybuilding magazines that focused on selling supplements and image-conscious advice, Mentzer's columns challenged readers to reject external validation and instead look inward for their identity and happiness. He famously distinguished between "first-handers" who create their own values and "second-handers" who live by others' standards, urging athletes to stop serving as servants to their own images. His influence grew significantly through his website, which reportedly garnered a million views per month, allowing him to reach an audience larger than Ayn Rand's radio listenership at the time. Even in his final years, he remained articulate and supportive of Objectivist institutions, maintaining a legacy that transcended the physical realm of bodybuilding. The tragic conclusion to Mentzer's life occurred in the summer of 2001 when he suffered a heart attack at age 49, followed two days later by the death of his brother Ray from a similar cause, an event that sparked police investigations but was ultimately deemed a freak medical occurrence rather than foul play. Despite his physical decline and the loss of his family, Mentzer's enduring appeal lies in his story as a principled outsider who refused to compromise his values despite nature or circumstance winning against him. He represents a rare archetype combining the strength of a man of action with the depth of a thinker, inspiring people not through steroids or specific training methods, but through his unwavering ambition to live by reason and his benevolent character. His life serves as a testament to the power of maintaining one's principles even in the face of severe adversity, leaving behind a legacy that continues to resonate with those who value integrity and rational thought over conformity.
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see what type of rabbit holes people you enter with the Yaron and Nikico's dialogues. Anyway, so from 19 so in the early 80s the main thing is he discovered objectivism and he decides that from now on he needs to view everything science bodybuilding under these the principles of objectivity of reason and so on and so forth. Again, many of these things were there instinctively, but now he gets he gets a more coherent worldview. And from 1981 to 1984, he writes and edits for existing and for new magazines. He's creating programs. So, he's training people and he's creating tapes. Now, the late 80s was the darkest period in his life, and we don't know that much, although he's open about it. So he experiences poverty mostly because he doesn't want to work with the powers to be of bodybuilding. He doesn't want to he is not excited to work with the Joe Wider Empire. Grief his father his mother had died in the late 70s. His father dies in the late 80s in ' 87 and he finds himself literally homeless. But he's a he's like the Trump on the train who has dinner with Dagney. He's a he's a homeless person with dignity. So he doesn't want to he tries to be so he for example he enters hotels and he finds leftovers from trays from conferences or from room service and this is how he goes uh on on feeding himself. The most important thing of course during that time is not the homeless. It's it's the mind problems. He descends into madness into parania. He has a this complex that he's that Joe Widther has sent assassins for him. >> Who is Joe W? >> Oh yeah, Joe Wider is the emperor of bodybuilding. He's he's the guy who runs basically professional bodybuilding. He also had the all the magazines, the connections with Arnold, the connections with all the big money in bodybuilding. So Joe Wider and his and his brother, I don't remember the name of his brother, they were the biggest institutional names in in bodybuilder. And they didn't particularly like Mike Mensah because he was very heterodox and he was telling hey the most of these magazines want to send you cra to sell you crap like protein powders which and stupid programs that are not going to actually make you jacked because they have nothing to do with science anyway. So madness, parania, suicide attempts and instit institutionalization in psychiatric hospitals after the suicide attempts and prison. Prison because in one psychotic episode he enters the gym, the people get scared, they call the he doesn't become violent to people, but they call the police. The police arrest him. They find in his blood amphetamines, who knows? But things that are by that point not legal. And he goes to prison. But prison is a blessing because now he has structure, he has a roof, and he can take he can be properly treated for his mental illness. And in prison, he studies a lot. So he comes out of prison after some months in a much better condition and actually the last the decade from 1989 to 1998 is a very productive era. His writing his training some of his trainee include figures like Dorian Yates six times Mr. Olympia and great guy, very motivating guy to if you want to hear his story, I think he's from uh he's from the UK definitely and uh he's still struggling with mental health. Very interesting. In one incident of Parania, so he so he he could call John Little and say in a very serious tone, hey, I might disappear for a few weeks. I'm now employed by NASA and I'm going to the moon to meet meet Bill Clinton and solve all the problems of the earth and the a way for his friends and men himself to put himself back into normaly was actually often objectivism. So at some point men has the parania that he met a person and that person is God. And John little what he does is he takes OAR he finds the re the relevant passages in oper about the impossibility of God and he he goes to men says hey and mentor is like oh yes and slowly he returns >> really he returns to Yeah. Yeah. And if you >> that's crazy. >> Yeah. It's it's absolutely moving and actually John Little includes even the passages he has saved the passages. So for for example I'll just read the two passages from Pikov. The idea of the supernatural is an assault on everything man knows about reality. It is a contradiction of every essential of a rational metaphysics. And when men would hear this, it would be like, oh, it would be almost like you know a medication for the mind or someone else is God the designer of the universe? Not if a is a the alternative to design is not science, it's causality. And these things would ground man. would be kind of oh yeah it's it's almost yeah obviously you know it's it cannot substitute the treatment he was getting but it was a very grounding experience so big picture here >> most people when they hear Mike mention an objectivism they think that men a red eye run and he wanted to be this kind of hero and that's why he started bodybuilding it's quite a different story it's it was almost like a grounding experience and a like a a balming effect for his mind when his mind was at its worst in terms of in terms of suffering. So through these struggles though he's still very productive. He writes books in the in the '9s. He has many he has many clients and his brother has also is also someone who is very much into iron rant Ray Menser actually his first daughter was called Dagney I think definitely he had a daughter Dagy I don't remember who was first doesn't matter and he discovered in Rand actually I think before Mike and Ray Mens so >> so so how does how does objectivism at this point uh enter into his writing and into uh into the ideas he's conveying because he becomes kind of a messenger. A lot of people discover >> exactly but how how does that actually happen? >> That that's where I was uh getting at. So in the ' 90s he writes a lot. He back in the day people who are into fitness they don't watch a video YouTube videos because there's no YouTube. buy magazines in the big magazines usually there's a there's a Mike Menser column and very often in this column he doesn't even write about bodybuilding he writes [clears throat] about stuff around bodybuilding for example he he let me read a few lines so that people understand what time of message he was giving so he doesn't use the term you know firsthander But listen to these lines. A man can spend his entire life compulsively engaging in activities that prove his masculinity. When a bodybuilder must reassure himself again and again with his muscles and his victories, his body becomes a crutch. So long as he continues to look outside of himself, he will never satisfy his need to prove himself a man. His only salvation lies in being able to reject these false gods and have the courage to look inward. A great deal of strength is required for a man to end his search for identity. Listen to his inner voice and decide what makes him happy. So he has a whole column dancing around the term of firstander versus secondhander. He says bodybuilding should not be how you look to others. You should not be someone who >> is a is is a servant of his image to others. So imagine now you you read a magazine mostly like meattheads right there and suddenly you find these lines. You find someone talking about self-esteem about being a first hunter. So this is how Mike Menser becomes the entry point for Rand. And I mean not in this excerpt that I read very often he actually sites Iran. He sites >> in the magazine articles >> in the magazine articles and in the late 90s he has his own website and he claimed in an interview that at some point his website had 1 million views per month. >> Wow. And he says of the not in terms of not in terms of in a bad way he says I actually have a bigger audience than Pikov. So he was conscious that he and he says you know he's very reverent towards Pikov but as a matter of fact says yeah I actually have a bigger audience than than Pikov although Pikov back then had the radio. So, so he was he was at his peak, let's say, as a public figure. And this is how people would come through the the the mentions to Iran in his articles and in his in his personal website and in his interviews. It's very difficult to to find an interview of Menser without explicitly mentioning an Rand. And even if he doesn't mention it, the way he speaks is so unusual for a bodybuilder that people were attracted that hey this is and he was such a articulate and good speaker. I wrote on Twitter a few weeks ago, I would encourage every young activist to listen to these interviews on mentor and see how you can use some objectivist concepts in a way that apply to a different field and in a way which is organic and helpful to the audience. So, so I find him quite a good and captivating speaker. That >> that that's great. Um, >> speaking of speaking to Mike Menser, >> do you know anyone who has spoken to him on the phone? >> Yes, I had a conversation with Mike Mensah on the phone. >> I don't know when exactly, but it was it was a few months before he died. Uh, he died in 2001, so it must have been either in late 2000 or early 2001. Uh I was in the Iron Man Einran Institute offices in uh in those days where we were in Marina del Rey in uh in Los Angeles and uh you know I got a phone call out of the blue from uh from Mike Mensah. I vaguely knew who he was. I didn't know much about him. I was never attracted to bodybuilding. It was never never something I found interesting. And uh but I I knew there was this guy Mike Menso was an objectivist and uh I I didn't realize he was so uh influential in a sense of attracting people to to objectivism. I I I I didn't know that. Uh so he wanted to talk. We we talked to the phone and he he expressed his appreciation for what the Institute was doing, his support for the institute. Um it you know I I I don't think I was relatively new. I started the job in um technically January 1, 2000. Uh I went full-time, I think, and moved to Southern California in uh that summer. Uh so I'd been on the job for very little time. It this is certainly before 9/11. Uh and uh so I I you know, but he wished me luck and and expressed his support and yeah, he was very very friendly and very positive. And then I remember that just a few months after that, you know, just heard the the horrible news of of the fact that he had uh he had passed away. So, um >> I have more questions about your dialogue, but yeah, let's let's >> if I known who it was, if I had a connection, I'd probably remember more. But it wasn't a big deal at the time, right? because I I didn't have an appreciation for who he was and what he had done. So, uh yeah, I I haven't retained much of that conversation. >> So, back then, most of his audience was people from the bodybuilding world throughout the throughout the world. So, it makes sense that he hadn't penetrated say the general the general culture. Mike Menser dies in the summer of 2001 and it's like a name Greek tragedy two days after so he dies of heart attack and most people say ah steroids he actually had health problems which were quite complicated and he found them almost by coincidence after an injury and then his brother Ry needed kidney dialysis and this was in some ways inherited from someone else in the family. So, you know, everyone will say, "Oh, it's the steroids." We don't know that. But in an ancient Greek tragedy style, Mike Menser dies in one day. Two days later, his brother has a heart attack and uh and dies. And yeah, both the two the two brothers die within three three days. And Mike was 49. His brother was slightly slightly younger. His brother was also a impressive bodybuilder. He didn't reach the level of Mike, but uh yeah, they were uh they were always very very very very close. >> Yeah, it looks like the police found it strange that the two brothers died so close to one another. And actually, there was an investigation. There was there was a a police investigation into this, but they could find no, you know, no nothing at the end, nothing suspicious. It was just it was just one of these freak events that are very very rare. >> Yeah, there were freak events but it's again it's it can be explained. So men had a couple of mini >> history related problems. So that's the the medical history was quite clear. >> Yeah. And the brother also had the serious serious kidney kidney problems. Anyway, so this is the this is the the story of his life. So when you had that discussion, what makes it even more moving for me when he called you from what we know he had very serious problems. John Little says there were a couple of times in the last months where he would visit him in hospital and he was surprised that men was still alive >> and yet when he exited the hospital again he tries a new series of training videos him training people because by that point by the way he had given up training. He looked like a fat uncle. But yeah, so he always had this will to be productive even at the darkest of times. >> How did John Little get to know him? >> [sighs] >> you know >> through bodybuilding in terms of and he find him an interesting person and that's how he got to to know him and he was very close to they became close when men had his in the late 80s his parania incident so what he would do is he would call John little in the middle of the night and little would talk to him till men would fall asleep he had serious issues with sleeping >> and he was he was his anchor to to reality. So yeah, I >> I definitely I definitely encourage you to read the book. It's also a very nice audible uh audible how it's called the audio book. It's narrated by the guy who narrated the 5 a.m. club. He has a very distinctive voice. So both so John Little again I don't know the guy. I've never spoken to him. I think he did a a service to all of us having maintained Menser's legacy with the videos in his channel Heavy Duty College I think it's called and with the with the series of books and he does it with respect also the book is not a high geography it doesn't hide anything about the mental health struggles the the parennia and even some things that were mistaken that cost Manser maybe being even a bigger figure in the B in the history of bodybuilding >> and they and and John Little has kind of promoted this particular methodology of training again with body by science with McDuff uh McGuff John McGuff who's the doctor who teamed up with John Lto to write that book he does consider himself an objectivist so I know I know John I've met him um I met him in South Carolina, not far from Clemson, he comes to events at uh when I'm when I give talks at Clemson, he comes uh so so he's uh and he trains people out there in the highintensity super slow, he has a he has a gym in um in Greensboro, South Carolina. Um so what are we I mean is there is there anything here to you know to to how would you summarize uh this discussion of Mensah? >> I would summarize it by a question. Why is of all the people in the golden era why is Mike Menser still today such an intriguing figure to so many people? His interviews have ten of thousands of of views. I think it's a combination of a few things. The first is everyone likes the story of a principled outsider. Unfortunately, as opposed to Ror men didn't win at the end. >> Yeah. >> The powers to be so to speak won or nature won, however you want to to put it. But he was a guy of principle. And again, this combination of bodybuilder and thinker, there's something very, it's a rare archetype, but at the same time, such an appealing archetype, the thinker, the man of the the man of the mind and the man of the of the muscle, thought and action. And this was the ideal that he wanted throughout his life to serve to to live it. Actually, not to serve it, to live it. And people find appeal to it. Then I think there's something very very healthy in the stuff that so many people find Mike mentioned today inspiring. It has nothing to do with high intensity training. It's nothing to do with steroids. Whatever. There's something genuinely moving to a guy who had to overcome all these struggles, all these demons, but never lost at least his ambition to live by reason and to live for the things that he had chosen that were his biggest uh his biggest values. He was not a show off. He was a benevolent guy, a great guy and a big inspiration for many people including my myself.