What's next for Domain of One's Own?

All right, I've got recording started and we can kind of kick things off. So, uh, thanks for showing up today uh to our uh domain one zone uh you know what's coming next workshop here. We're chatting about um what is coming to uh domain one zone this summer and this year um and kind of what that's going to look like, what to expect, things like that. Um, we're really excited about some of these things at Reclaim um because in a lot of ways this is us being able to um add features to domain in one zone that people have been asking us for for a long time. Um, and so um we're really excited to show you what we've been working on. Um this is most uh what I'm showing here is is um a result of of work um primarily from um our uh infrastructure uh and main system administrator here at reclaim uh Chris Blankenship. Um but the whole team's been involved in various aspects. Um so yeah uh hopefully uh um you enjoy what we've been working on as much as we've enjoyed working on it. So, um, this is what's coming soon. So, um, the, uh, what we're calling this domain one's own version two. Um, it's a, it's a, a big upgrade in a lot of ways, taking domain one's own version one, taking the fundamentals there of, you know, a way to manage C panel accounts, let folks sign up for them themselves or allow a request workflow and enhancing it in a lot of different ways. So um the main thing to know uh from a technical change is that we've moved the functionality of domain one from a theme where it lives right now as a custom WordPress theme into a single WordPress plugin. Um [clears throat] and it's in it'll be installed on the same website that you you know folks log into for your domain zone uh right now. Um and so we'll be migrating folks into this this plugin. We've taken all the logic that's attached to the custom theme and moved it over there. Um, it's also expanded uh uh I should before I move on I suppose uh it also means that because uh it all that logic is in a custom plugin um we no longer need to use the custom theme which means you can change your theme on your domain zone uh site. right now you're kind of locked into a specific theme. Um, and if uh we've had a couple schools who've needed or wanted to change that WordPress theme and we actually have to port the code over for them, which is fine. We we can do that. But, um, it's uh is a it's a big process and it means it puts a lot of uh of planning on the the schools that need to do that so that we can kind of coordinate that switch with them. So, it's not a custom theme anymore. uh once we uh migrate folks onto this new version um and so allows a lot of flexibility um we've also expanded the functionality that uh means that WHMCS as sort of the middle layer that powers domain one's own is no longer a required part of the system. Um the reasoning here is we we've been observing you know what do admins need to know to to to use and administer domain one's own and WHMCS right now is used as sort of this middle platform to kind of provision accounts on the server make sure we know who they belong to um and match them up with accounts on the WordPress side which is of attached to your school's single sign on system. Um, we've been able to uh add functionality to main zone to make that uh redundant and we can lose whmcs from that which makes things a lot simpler to administer. It means that there's not multiple places to do actions like suspension and termination things like that. So makes things a lot simpler. So that's the high level this is what's changing. um the uh the all of this happens inside of WordPress. So um instead of having a place to go for you know WHMCS account management uh a different page uh for other types of you know getting into um the server administration with WHM. Um, all of this happens in WP admin as part of the custom plugin and also account signup and other actions like that also happen in WP admin which I'll show in a second what that actually means but it has a bunch number of security benefits too that we're really excited about. Um all right so kind of starting with the demo here this is what end users so students staff faculty what they will see uh when they're using the new version here once we have you on it. So um first thing is simplified account registration. So um instead of the the page that exists right now in domain one zone um you'll get a um you'll get this this page here in WP admin where they simply can fill out what their domain is that they want hit create and it creates the account. Um it's a pretty simple one question kind of form and it's a we think it's a big improvement on what you see right now in WHMCS uh where it has this whole like countdown where it has to kind of you know check for the domain. It has a whole uh cart where people owe zero dollars. uh we're able to kind of streamline all of that into just a simple um and then uh as part of that this is what logging in looks like. Um so logging in is it basically folks end up on a simple page that shows their their account. They hit a login button and it can open in a new tab basically. [snorts] Um it's it's a pretty simple process. Um you'll note that it is opening not um as a embedded iframe which is kind of how domain zone version one works and we've moved away from that for a number of reasons. Um but the main one is there's a number of services in cPanel now that require uh external authentication essentially your server talks to a central cPanel service and gets a like API token thing happening and uh the iframe interferes with that essentially. So uh this means things like site jet builder uh work out of the box on zone version two. Um, another thing we're really proud of in domain zone version two is the level accessibility we're able to achieve because we control more of these pages I just showed. So, um, we already have all of this on our website. You can go there right now, www.relaimhosting.comacessibility. We have, uh, ACRs for version one, version two, our main site, as well as, um, the shared hosting client area. uh not really relevant for demand zone, but I'll mention that we have all of those there. Um so you can check that out. Um and we're really proud of the work there to get that um to really high standard. Um another thing that's uh much easier to use in domain zone version two is multi- accounts. So multi-account support in domain zone version two um is uh more of a first class citizen. If you if you have any situations right now in domain own zone version one um where you have someone has multiple cPanel accounts that they should have access to you know that there's like a little switcher um that we've added because cPanel itself doesn't really have a way to do this. Um domain zone version two lays all the accounts out on the page. Um so you can have multiple accounts if you want uh end users to be able to have that. Um there's also uh a really easy way to share accounts that we'll talk about in a little bit. Um moving on to kind of admin improvements. So this is improvements that you can expect to see as an administrator. Um the account uh management is much simpler. So there's an actual page right in WordPress called domain one's own accounts that will list every account on the server, let you search through them. Um you can suspend the accounts right from there. you can terminate or you know delete them off the server right from there. You can also use this form to quickly create an account on behalf of someone else. Um so that's really easy to do and fast to do. Um as well as do things like manage um shared accounts which I kind of mentioned earlier. You can do things like change the account owner right from here. Share an account with another user. Um all that's pretty simple. uh WHM access is also built in. So, WHM right now we have a sort of reseller uh credential that we create and we give to you and um but that that is completely not necessary in Domin's own version 2 because we can actually get you a login session right into WHM. Um so that only works if you have the administrator role of course but uh makes things much simpler. you can just click a login button um right from the servers page um in the new domain zone version two um collaboration I've brought this up a couple times but this is built in so we have a little form you can fill out and say you know in this case I've got an account called new newstatew.org or and it needs to be shared with the account uh the taylor reclaimhosting.com account that I was logged into here. So, I typed in that email address, hit share, and it shows up on my accounts dashboard as a account I now have access to. Um and reporting. So uh right now uh we have some reports available on domain one's zone but they're the kind of thing that typically you have to ask us to pull for you and we can send you a copy of this report um that I'll talk about in a second. Um and obviously that's not an ideal thing. Um so we we have been working over the years on various other ways to provide access to that. We had a uh plugin that we made available um and some schools have installed um upon request that makes that easier to get to. And now this that same um report is available right in domain zone version two on its own reporting page. Uh in this case you're seeing um the uh accounts report is what we call it but it essentially lists every account on the server as well as its current status, the disk usage of the account. Um the start date and last login date are included. So the the date the account was created as well as the last time it has been logged into uh into cPanel. All of that is available here right inside of WordPress. Uh, and in fact, you can export it right as a CSV or copy and paste it into a different spreadsheet program. You can search and filter the report, sort it, all that kind of stuff is right inside of here. Uh, we also have another report uh, called the orphan accounts report, which is essentially a way for um, you to see what accounts in the server have been created not using domain zone. So the the main thing here is we'll we'll have a situation usually this happens with teams of admins where someone uh is uh creating accounts directly in WHM which is fine that works but then you know there's no way that's connected to single signon basically the account doesn't own isn't owned by anyone in domain zone version two or version one for that matter won't know how to deal with that. This will give you a report of what those accounts are um which can let you act on them. Um these are just two reports that we're starting with, but we're excited that we have kind of a platform to build more things in as we go along here with the minimum zone version two and a like way that you can actually access them easily. that has been a frequent uh blocker for us is you know we have more information we'd like to provide folks but getting access to that information can be tricky uh especially for folks who aren't comfortable with like the terminal or SFTP or things like that. Um so we're excited to be able to improve that. Um and there's a lot of things that frankly I don't have a bunch of time to talk about. I want to offer as much time as we need here for questions. So, um, here's my little, uh, junk drawer slide of other things that are added here. So, we're moving, um, uh, to PHP FPM and using the opcache extension, which is a way of saying PHP performance is much better on domain zone version 2. This is a change we've been um, implementing actually on our shared hosting service for about seven months and it's been a really great improvement. And because we don't have to depend on WHMCS, we're able to roll that out to domain one zone version two as well. Um permissions. So you'll if you're familiar with how domain one zone really works uh right now, you'll know that there's like the author role and there's like a subscriber role that are used to determine who can make an account and not. These are now all handled by custom roles that have more helpful names. Domain one's own admin, user, and requester. Um, as I mentioned before, all of the logic here is built into a WordPress plug-in, so you can use any theme with it. Um we would uh recommend um you know don't don't don't go changing your theme before the migration you know because right now um we're going to be we'll talk about what the migration process will look like but um we've made this change on our side but we have to make sure that we roll this uh domain zone version two out to schools uh in a way that everyone uh is comfortable with and works with your timeline. So um uh maybe start looking at what other themes you can use um and we can help you implement that when the time is right after the migration. Um I already mentioned that uh login and things that can happen in multiple tabs. Um sitejet builder works because of that. Um we also have um a documentation system built into domain zone version two. So, there's actually a place in the plug-in to show documentation right inside of WordPress, which can be nice. It's not something you have to use, but it we wanted to have a way where we can put that uh information for administrators there, but also you can use this to put information in front of end users right inside of that same interface if you choose to. Um, and then finally, we have a uh pretty robust command line interface for domain one zone version two, which is um nice for anyone that wants to do more advanced scripting or automation around domain one zone, things that um aren't really easy to do right now on domain one zone version one. Um so yeah, um we have all of this documented. I should mention I didn't add to my slides but um on our um knowledge base um we have a whole section called domain zone version two that I recommend you check out. I'll put it in the um chat as well um and you can browse that. Um all of the things I've talked about today are going into more detail there. So how does this upgrade process work? um ahead of time, we will reach out to admins via email to schedule an upgrade. So you you'll you'll hear from us. We're doing this several schools at a time, making sure that um folks understand what's what's happening as as this rolls out um during the actual upgrade window. So when you know we'll reach out and say, "Hey, you're scheduled for this day. Let us know if you have questions." When it comes to that day, uh this is what actually happens. So um during the upgrade window um new account registration and c panel login will be unavailable. So during while we do that people won't be able to log directly into c panel or make new accounts um using domain zone. Um their actual websites will be fine. So those will stay stay up um but you know editing them essentially would be what I what I would tell people during that window won't be available. Um, we'll also, as part of this process, I mentioned PHP changes. We will be removing PHP 7.3 from your server if it's not already removed. And we'll be setting 8.2 as the the default version if that again if that's not already the case. Um, and uh, these we don't expect these upgrade windows to be super super long. It usually should be an hour or two. Um, but there may be some instances where um we have more work to do in terms of PHP stuff, but that's something we would let you know if there was something out of the ordinary or to expect a longer upgrade window. All this would be provided to you via email. Um, after the upgrade is complete. So, this is what you end up with. Your actual WordPress site, so the homepage of your domain own, it's going to look exactly the same. We're not going to be changing any um themes or anything like that as part of the upgrade. Um the only difference on the front end essentially is we may point different links. So if you have a dashboard or login link on your website, we'll make sure that works with domain zone version two, but otherwise the site will look the same. The SSO configuration that doesn't change at all either. So if you are worried about oh do we need to get our IT involved to you know integrate with a new single signon? Nope. All of that stays exactly the same. Um, so you don't have to worry about that. Um, and another thing that changes as part of this upgrade is we do have tighter security controls around plug-in in theme uh management um in the WordPress domains portal. Um, so we um we do a an audit of plugins when we do this migration and if there's anything that we're concerned about remaining active on your site, we would let you know and say, "Hey, this is a site plugin that may have to go away or be deactivated." And um we do ask that we install new plugins on the WordPress site for you. So that is a change. Um, I will say we haven't yet found any um on on upgrades we've already done. We haven't yet found any need to disable plugins and we don't expect a lot of this, but essentially because we're controlling more of the experience here, we want to make sure that there is not any, you know, compatibility issues. So, um, you still have the ability and to ask us to install a plugin. Um, and we can absolutely do that for you. you can manage themes and switch themes and things like that, but we do want to be um you you will need to contact support to have us to install those things. Now, keeping in mind this is just for your WordPress homepage, right? So, on our any other WordPress site on your um server works exactly as it does today. Um but it's a change we wanted to point out. Um so, what's next? Um you'll start uh we we've been we've actually started um I I did these slides for the last workshop which was a month ago but we'll start rolling these improvements out over the next few weeks a few schools at a time. Like I said you'll be contacted when we're ready to schedule your uh domain and one zone version two upgrade. Um and uh we will be hitting all schools that have subdomain setups first. So that's for instance uh you know myac account.stateu.org um most uh domain zone version two um instances are like this and we'll be uh tackling those migrations first. If you're a school that offers a root domain or apex domain um that is functionality that we are still bug testing and things like that. So that will come later in the year. um we want to make sure that that's really solid uh before we do any um migrations of those. So you'll um there's also plenty of schools that have custom kind of setups and custom functionality in their domain zone. Um so this will be a process throughout the throughout the year. If you're concerned um just let us know and we're happy to talk to you um individually about you know your particular uh setup. you can uh email us at supportreclaimhosting.com and we can answer any questions you might have. So that's my little spiel and I wanted to allow as much time as possible for questions. So I got through my little slide deck here in about 24 minutes. So we have uh basically till the top of the hour, but um yeah, I'll I'll kind of open it up if anyone has questions. uh you can feel free to put them in the chat or unmute your mic and and talk uh using your mic. That's fine too. Um to start here, we had a question on using a bulk user import uh plugin is something we'll be able to continue using. Um you'll be able to continue using that. So the >> [snorts] >> um the bulk user import plugin uh would be for importing in bulk users into WordPress and that will work the same as it does right now. Um no no need to to adjust uh that. I see Kayla uh has you have your hand up? >> Yes. Hello. Um like um I'm Kayla. I'm with UNF and I am the overall admin for all of our domains. And so I have a couple questions. So my questions relate more to the W uh W uh HMCS part um for the admin. So, um, for like are we still going to be able to at least from this platform, will we be able to set up notifications when we, um, when there's a new account that's created? Um, because we right now we have an email that's sent to new users, you know, giving them a little bit brief information on how to set up their account. Um, accessibility, keep in mind, things like that. And then the second part of that is just like are we also able to create alerts where if a new user creates an account um our email would be alerted that okay this is a new our new account that's been created. We need to make sure to check um accessibility and things like that. >> I'm just taking some notes here because this is something I have to follow up on. But uh essentially um if you're using those in WHMCS right now they that will be affected because WHMCS won't will be going away. However, there are different ways we can help you implement that if that's something you want to do. There are plugins in WordPress that we would suggest using here like there's a better notifications for WordPress plug-in that could be used to replicate this functionality. There's also some things to consider depending on your setup and at this point I'm not talking directly to you Kayla but also the room because some people have the request form where you have to fill out like a form that doesn't change by at all by the way if if you're a school that uses that that remains exactly the same. >> Um but um a lot of people handle email notifications via that method essentially. Um so that um uh will still work the way it does right now. Essentially um the the new user uh email notifications is actually something and customizing those is actually something I'll have to uh look into and um how we can do that. Uh right now that is not functionality we have in domain own version two but I'm pretty sure that that could be accomplished via a WordPress plugin. So, I'll I'm writing that down to to follow up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um, so M asked, um, all right, actually I should I'm skipping some things here. Will the new WordPress admin dashboard allow for quota management in the same way AWM did? Yeah. So, uh, Matt, um, and Chris kind of answered here already, but I'll just repeat it for everyone. Um, too, uh, the admin dashboard does not allow for quota management. However, you still have access to WHM and can manage quotas there. Uh, so as well as packages and things like that. Um, the quota usage stats are on the report, um, on the reports page, but it's not modifiable from that interface. Um, client groups. Uh so M asked about client groups in WHMCS for account management and email notifications. Um yeah so client groups uh will not be part of the account management um uh because that is a WHMCS feature. Um there's a couple different ways um to do this and it it people use client groups for different things right now. Most of the time folks are using client groups for email notifications as URM. And so for that we would recommend using and in fact we we recommend already using a different email system frankly because WHMCS sending email on its own isn't super reliable. It's getting um usually schools block the email because it's coming from like a web server IP instead of like an email domain. Um so that's one thing. Um but what we would so we typically recommend folks use the reporting tool to get a list of emails out and then use a a bulk emailing tool that's separate. Um but there also are opportunities to do these emails from WordPress itself. So if we integrate your WordPress site with SMTP with through your school so it can send email reliably. Um then that you can use um email plugins in in WordPress like the better notifications plugin or uh or even like newsletter plugins could be usable there. Um we'll have to kind of address that um for individual use cases. So if this is something that um you use regularly, we can absolutely talk about that in migration time of how to make that work for you. Yeah. If anyone else has questions, feel free to u put them in the chat or unmute. Um, yeah, appreciate the questions here. >> Okay, I have another one. I apologize. Kayla again. Um, so my question is with the multiple um users you can add to an account. So if um I add multiple users as the admin for these accounts when they log in are they logging in and seeing the cPanel portion or when they log in are they just seeing the dashboard of WordPress for that website? So they would be you would be giving them access to C panel. Um if you want them to just have access to the dashboard of WordPress, you could just add them directly in as a user into that particular WordPress site >> just like you can today basically. >> And there isn't a limit, right, with how many people for those websites that you can give C panel access to? >> Nope. Yeah. So um and that's a good question um because it gets to like how account um limits go with domain one zone and this doesn't change with domain zone version two by the way but what we have limits for so if you have a uh 500 account domain one zone setup or a thousand account um that is counting c panel accounts so >> you could have you if you had five c panel accounts but a 100 people using them that's technically just five c panel accounts Now, that would be kind of a mess. You'd probably have people [laughter] stepping on on each other's toes, deleting things, etc. But, um, but that that does not change. Um, we're we're we're we're counting web hosting accounts, uh, C panel accounts. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, we still be able to use another question was still be able to use Ninja Forms for account sign up. Yep, absolutely. So, I will mention that um, uh, Amina, we have some schools out there have the Ninja Forms plugin. Some schools out there have the Gravity Forms plugin that we have a license for. We do have Gravity Forms is kind of our preferred plugin for this now. Um, but you can use technically any form plugin and if you like you have Ninja Forms, you like it, you can continue using it. That does not change at all with Dominion's own version two. Um, that being said, if you want to uh move over to Gravity Forms because we have a license for that we can we can set up on your site. Let us know. Um, we can help you move over to that. You don't have to wait for domain own version two. um that that's unrelated but just wanted to mention that out there is that we have multiple form solutions. Uh and probably also worth mentioning that um some schools prefer to provide their own Google form or like Microsoft form. Uh we can use that too. So it's another option still. Um m we we are typically notifying folks in advance two to three weeks before migration but that's not you know if there's a if the the timeline we propose in the email doesn't work you can let us know. So if you say oh that that day doesn't work or or whatever this is a flexible process. So, we are trying to as best we can get a lot of um folks upgraded over the summer. Obviously, we don't um that this is dependent on what works for everyone's schedules and stuff like that, but we also know that most schools aren't using their domain and one's own zone as heavily during the summer months. So, we're trying to provide that that window of opportunity during that time as best we can. Um, but you know, the actual upgrade process um is is not uh very uh you know, it's not a long upgrade window, things like that. Um, so it's we think it's more important to let folks know what to expect. Um, so if they need to communicate anything to their users ahead of time, they can. Uh, could I talk a little bit more about what's included in the new admin reports? Are there any thoughts of things like domain dormcancy? Um, not right now. Um, I I'm happy to show the report here, Matt. Um, this is on statew.org, which is our demo multi-sight. I can show this right now. Obviously, there's not a lot on this particular demo instance, but um, there's a few accounts in here. Um, and what's included in the report other than basic information about like what's the primary domain and the email, the basic status, um, is disk usage, the start date, last login date, and last login IP address. So, there's a couple things to note in here. Um, the, uh, start date will show based on WHM when was the last time the C panel account was uh, sorry, when was it created? Um, so that can be a useful metric in combination with the disk usage. So, one thing we we see folks look at a lot is like, hey, this this account's been around for years and it's only got one megabyte or like 10 megabytes of files in it. It's probably not really being used. Um, so that that can be an indicator. Uh, we also have the last login date and last login IP. These are a little bit trickier. Um it looks like we actually have uh something to adjust here in our report because it's not tracking these on stateu. I would say sometimes stateu is not the best place for demo because it's also our our de development environment. So things like reports get cleared out a lot like that. Um but um this would be last login to c panel and what's important to note there is a lot of people um will a lot of admins like to use that to look at oh how often are people logging in and using it using their particular account but this can depend on how folks at your school tend to use cPanel right so a it's very common we um to see like students go create an account install like WordPress press or Omecha or something like that and then from then on only log in to WordPress or Omecha and they're not really accessing C panel that much. So in some cases that lost that last login time can be useful in others it's not and I say all of this Matt to say dormcancy is one of those things where it really depends on a lot of factors and and we haven't found a universal way to answer that question essentially. We do want to keep looking at other metrics we can add here to help folks make decisions. Um, that's kind of what we're focused on. So, if you have suggestions, too, we're we're all ears and we can look at adding that to our report repertoire. [snorts] >> Yeah. >> Thanks, Taylor. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's it's just like tracking down data sources from like five or six different locations just to kind of see if someone's actually using things anymore. >> Yeah. and and it might be, you know, we can we can keep adding to this, like I said, but now that this is easier to get to, um, we're we're hoping that we can continue improving this and make this more useful for folks. Uh, Alice asks, "When we notify users, should we tell them to avoid making changes to their CMS dashboards during the migration window?" Alice, you really don't you shouldn't have to worry about that. So if they're like say writing a blog post or making changes to their their WordPress site or a Mecca site, they will probably not even notice uh anything happening. We do uh when we make PHP uh changes that will sometimes restart Apache as part of that process, but we're we're talking about seconds of of unavailability in most cases. So I guess it probably to be on the safe side and this is this is one of those things that will like when we email you we'll communicate it might be might be good to say you know expect um intermittent uh outages of the platform during this upgrade window but I guess between me you and all the friends in this call it should be barely noticeable. um couple folks talking about um cleanup uh of accounts and things like that. I will say I I'd love um to hear folks strategies. is you know we we we at our other workshops often talk about um you know a few ways that we recommend doing account cleanup on domain zone. So saying like oh you know maybe you have a strategy of students get you know x amount of years um by default or you get a list from your registar of folks who've graduated and use that to inform cleanup um and things like that and then you do something similar with staff and faculty who have left um but I um I do know there are a lot of schools that that don't do that that basically keep accounts al around a little bit longer and go more more based on you last login times, things like that. There's a lot of strategies out there and we're always kind of curious about them. So, if you have anything to share, um would love to hear about that. You can put that in our forums uh at the um forums. Discord uh which you'll find a link to um on our website. Um but if there's interest too um we'd love to organize another session like this. Maybe folks can share strategies because that's that's one of those things I feel like it's great to just hear what other people are doing so you can kind of get your own ideas that fit your school and what what things you have access to. I should mention too right now the account cleanup process doesn't really change um other than you know if you're doing individual accounts like we showed you can you can do that right from here. But um when you're doing bulk account cleanup right now, we ask you to send us a file of email addresses or domain names or whatever and we run that for you. That's still how that works in domain zone version two. We're still happy to do that. Um I did mention that there's like CLI to do this yourself, but you don't have to. We're we're still happy to run those for you. Um so um awesome. Uh, sorry it's my signal getting a little choppy. I'll say um we have some pretty s significant severe weather here in Wisconsin right now. So, um hopefully I don't lose my internet connection, [laughter] but uh if if I do, I'll be back. And there's other folks in here from Reclaim who can probably answer uh questions in the chat as well. Uh it's back now. We didn't hear where we can talk about cleanup. Oh, I said if you want to share things uh about uh account cleanup strategies, I would recommend our Discord or our forums. Um so, uh that would be a great place to do that. Um if there's interest, I'd love to organize like another community chat session like this um where we can also have folks, you know, just kind of come to the table and talk about what they're doing, too. Um we're always excited to kind of organize that type of thing around admins. Um, so yeah, happy to hear from folks. Well, um, uh, okay, I see another question. curious about the accessibility portions. There's demos of that to be shown possibly in the reporting side. Um, so I don't know if I understand Kayla what you mean by demos of it um of the accessibility. >> Okay. Um because I know you mentioned you guys have been working with accessibility. So um like uh here at UNF we work uh our department works primarily with faculty and there's been issues when it comes to because I've had to manually check but there's been issues of maybe like checking to see okay these websites maybe have these certain plugins um >> or something along the lines of that to check okay they're at least you know trying to be more accessible versus a website that doesn't have anything installed. Sure. Sure. So when I mentioned that on the accessibility slide, I was primarily talking about the interface we have here is really accessible and can be used really easily at different font sizes um with screen reading technology, things like that. As far as um ways you can help your folks make accessible sites, um domain one version two doesn't really change anything there, but um there are some things we can point you to. We actually have some um blog posts that we've done recently um and some we actually just did a community chat um which unfortunately this is totally on me. I bungled the recording of so we don't have a recording of it which is a bummer but we have um other video and text resources we can send you about accessibility um that I would highly recommend you check out. So, um, our last community chat on this was focused around the, um, editorial plugin where, um, you can actually roll that as a WordPress plugin that can give folks, um, accessibility like advice right in the WordPress editor, which is really nice. And the cool thing about that is you could set that up as a template. So, you could you could set up on your domain in one zone. This is something you can do right now. This is not version two dependent or anything like that. Um, you could make a template so that when folks install WordPress, they get that plugin already activated. Or what I see most folks do is just recommend to people, hey, we really recommend you use this plugin or check out this tool or service like that. Um, so that might be something that worth considering. Um and um I believe uh yeah link um Chris also linked the actual accessibility report for domain one version two like this interface itself. So >> okay >> I'm also going to grab a link to those blog posts that I have because I believe we have a tag on that if you want to check it out. >> Yes. Um, thank you. Because I know that we we've created like themes, but we've used um WordPress um theme um um the accessibility one and then uh editorially or editorial ally, however you >> I think it's Ally, but I always stumble over that when I try to say it. [laughter] >> Um we have that, but it's mostly for the websites that are using um that are using Elementor >> because it works a little bit easier with that. Um, but yeah, I'm here for anything that can help on an overall basis because we've had a lot of websites that have been established prior to creating the theme. Um, so we're just trying to see if there's anything possible or that you guys have thought of that would be a little bit easier when it comes to kind of pushing someone heavily to be more accessible. >> Sure. Yeah. Um, you know, we're always down to brainstorm, you know, too, like depending on your specific needs and what you're what you're looking to do. So, um, I can off the top of my head, I can think of a couple things, but like, you know, it might make sense to use some of the reports that kind of talked about here. Some versions of these exist for domains on version one. So, we could we could send that to you. And I know there are some schools that run uh some of their sites through an accessibility checker, like they have a scanner that they're So, that is an option. And if you're trying to do that and running into issues, let us know. Um we can work with your um scanners vendor to make sure that like their their >> thing is not being blocked by by anything on our side. >> Um so that's something that we can absolutely do. Um we also can do things like pull lists of plugins. So, if you want, we can we can get you a list of like here's all of the WordPress sites and that have this particular plugin. Like, if you're concerned about Elementor sites maybe or or concerned about a different thing, um we can do that type of thing. Some of those things depending on um what you're asking for may take us some time to like, okay, how can we get that information for you? Like, and some of them will be really easy and we can kind of just do, you know, in an afternoon and get you that information. But, um yeah, I mean, let us know. We're we're I hope um folks um you know feel our our if you have a question like that, you know, I'd encourage you to put in a email to support recrelaimhosting.com. I think our support folks are are really good. Um but also really uh game to not just fix broken stuff, but also kind of think through a problem with you and think through a couple different solutions. So we're always happy to do that. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Well, I you know, I'm going to stick around here probably till the top of the hour um if anyone else has questions. Um so, but I think that's kind of I think that's kind of the end of our uh the workshop today and seems like most of the questions people had. So, thanks for um tuning in. We will have a recording uh available in the next couple days. Um and uh if you if you want to check that out. Um uh make sure to check out our documentation like I said that we have on domain own zone version two if you want to learn more. Um and uh of course feel free to ask any questions uh to uh support reclaimhosting.com. We can help you out. Um yeah, thanks everyone for for uh stopping by.