What No One Wants to Admit About Porn - Zack Telander

we live together and despite that fact we've barely seen each other for probably two months now yeah well because if I'm traveling you're home if you're traveling I'm home so now now we're finally reunited and feels good in that time if like it's that's such a long amount of time for two people to be a part that life has happened in the interim uh I hit a million Subs recorded with Bumstead Sam Harris hosi went to that gym shark event you traveled to the UK Korea Japan then came back then went to the CrossFit Games for the entire time Rogan posted a piece of your content on the show that he did reacted to a piece of content on the show I think you've broken some more subscriber milestones and now I'm about to leave for another two weeks so this is like a brief period like everybody else might not care I haven't caught up with you so I want to know what what what the headlines have been from the last couple of months of your life uh just more the same like it's the content game you you know it I know it it's very it's what's cool is like for for those of us for people who aren't in the content game basically everyone who's listening to this um it's very interesting to find people who are also in it and then live with that person so it's like uh I kind of get motivated by your work and I feel like sometimes you check in and you're like holy [ __ ] Zach's done something pretty big here um but yeah it's just more the same like uh getting crazy interviews meeting people who so Ben Smith the winner of the CrossFit Games back in 2015 or 2016 or something maybe 2014 I forget um he was one of my heroes in CrossFit I'm at the airport and he walks up to me he like he literally makes a beline for me goes hey man I love your stuff on YouTube I'm like funboys over you bro I have yeah so so we like clicked immediately I went to uh Virginia Beach and I actually just just did a training session with him I didn't even cover it or put it on my YouTube channel um it was just so cool for things like that to happen and I know that that's been happening to you like because I knew you before you would have ever had a chance to have been on Rogan uh let alone be friends with Rogan so it's really really fun you just had an episode on Rogan where some episode got responded to what was that I haven't watched that episode yet I saw your screenshot of it but I haven't seen it what were they reacting to and what they say so it was uh Alexander Kellan who is uh one of the most dominant athletes period of all time uh I think he went over a decade without losing in wrestling so he's a Greco Roman wrestler and he was a super heavyweight I think I yeah so that's like um kind of like the unlimited class but he was picking up guys like he's picking up the super heavyweights and that's not typically the thing um he had you know what his main move was the Kellin lift where it's like you hold someone around the waist but upside down and then you can throw them or whatever um he was so good and so athletic that some athletes would forfeit before even going up against him they would literally forfeit before going up against him and uh he the the numbers that he hit in the weight room this is why it was so interesting to me the numbers that he hit in the weight room the size of this guy and then his athleticism he could do back flips he could do the splits he was about like 63 280 lbs in his prime like right around 300ish maybe at his heaviest uh but he was a freak of nature and I made a video on it and it kind of popped off a little bit it exploded late you know how videos do that like they're just kind of whatever and then like a year later they just go uh that happened to this video and then I posted it a part of it to my Instagram and Rogan saw it on my Instagram followed me on Instagram which was was pretty cool uh and then recently he was talking with someone I forget who it was but sad yeah Gad sad and he was like have you heard of this guy Kellin go on YouTube you search Alexander Kellin whose video pops up it's your boy's video it's right there let's go so they're pulling it up watching how did that how did that feel it felt good but it was also like you know it's not like they went oh this guy Zack tender made a really good video it wasn't about productive exactly I just provided the the info for them however uh the the follow on Instagram was much bigger deal for sure yeah that adrenaline dump is one hell of a drug um yeah I I think it's interesting like finding cool stories think about um coffeezilla when he was pumping out stuff more frequently what was exciting about him was he was Finding crypto scams and and grifters and stuff from projects that you'd never even heard of it wasn't always s bankman freed in FTX or Logan Paul's crypto Zoo it was people that you didn't even know about so it's like it's like a um literally like a documentary that teaches you about something that you would have never known about previously so I think that's that's what's cool and obviously when you have someone that goes narrow and deep like you do or Derek in sport specifically or pharmacology you end up with really interesting ideas so yeah man one of the things that we're going to talk about today is this new transgender athlete division in some strength sports but first we need to talk about our old friend Billy McFarland guy that did fire Festival so for the people that aren't familiar fraudster Billy McFarland relaunches fire Festival from behind bars with $8,000 tickets his rerun of the event which previously ended in disaster in 2017 is set to take place in December next year so he was in jail for quite a while it seems like he's out now and he puts this video up in a bathrobe looking like the most aristocratic like New York wanker that you can think of and he said this is a big day it has been the absolute wildest journey to get here and it all started during a seven-month stint in solitary confinement I wrote out this 50-page plan of how it would take this overall interest and demand in Fire and how it would take my ability to bring people from around the world together to make the impossible happen long story short he has released tickets first sale of tickets have sold out for another fire Festival in the Caribbean which I I think is where it was last time Pablo Escobar's Island MH and he's just running it back we'll just do it again yeah I have a question so he wrote a 50-page Manifesto or something in Sol like a business number one thing my brother in Christ it's not that deep it really isn't you got a bunch of models I'm sorry you got a bunch of models and you know kind of aish celebrities to post an orange photo and that but this was before viral was like so saturated online and this idea of fire Festival exploded it was over your head you didn't cancel it quick enough and you stole a bunch of money from a bunch of people it's not that deep oh what so so you're Reinventing yourself doing this thing I'm you know it's like you're just trying to do another Festival like it's been done now since Ted kazinski this is isn't Like You [ __ ] trying to fix the problems of the world yeah I dude I don't know I've got such interesting thoughts about feelings about Billy McFarland because I know for a fact that if he'd managed to pull off the fire Festival people even if he even if it just wasn't a complete disaster even if it was remotely acceptable people would have hailed him as a marketing genius because Chris yeah this is what we all me and you always end up talking about this we love winners the world loves winners and it doesn't even matter how evil how bad they are if they win you you have to there's a decent amount of people who are just going to be like yeah but dude look at the money look at the you know he he he fulfilled he came back we love a comeback story it's like well that can't you can't forgive and forget everything like that I mean this is this is Andrew Tate this is um you know Logan Paul uh Jake Paul the Logan Paul rug pool the with with the crypto zoo I think like two weeks later or four week later he did a deal with Dana White in the UFC and now he's doing a deal with uh you know Bayern Munich it's like there is no it's just you keep moving you just if you're one of these guys you just you get in trouble you keep moving you start winning again everyone goes yeah but like they want so with with uh Billy McFarland specifically after the two documentaries one that was on Netflix and the other that was on Hulu I think they were so damning right people got to learn about him as this awful predatory business partner who called in the military Genius of Jar Ru to be his operator like the guys that time uh that time in New York was crazy too um that by the way you and I our age group that was us it was like the I think like the 2013 to 2016 Instagram was very interesting because uh virality and and new social media trends was popping and my friend lived in New York at the time and he I think he had one of those black cards that Billy McFarland was making and Ja R was promoting and like weird [ __ ] was happening in these clubs and stuff and like weird Partnerships what a brain trust that was really really pulled in all of the high IQ players to get jar Ru in to come and fix it and then it's like almost if you do that if you get someone who's a rapper in as your business partner it's almost a little bit like well you know we couldn't have expected much it was jar rule that you know he was the brains behind the operation that tried to bring it all to Market but yeah I I don't know man like Billy McFarland separate to uh Logan and and Jake specifically I think Tate's kind of a bit of a different animal but Logan and Jake have an unbelievable resilience in terms of their Public Image I don't know anybody that's been able to ride waves in the same way that those two guys have you can throw anything that you want anything that you want those guys and it doesn't seem to stick and a little bit of it is is kind of like were maybe people have become desensitized to those guys being in the news for bad things it's ah you know just like add it to the list it's the the suicide forest and there's the the crypto zoo and there's the this thing like Prime doesn't have it's got It's all potassium it's no sodium and it's the you coconut concentrate not coconut water and blah blah blah you know it's just a a big list a big laundry list of of things that have occurred and people no longer really see it with the same kind of gravity and the final thing which is Destiny strategy which works so well he's I've told you about this before he calls it just keep streaming which is like the Dory from Finding Nemo just keep swimming just keep swimming he says people only remember your last three streams so on the first one everyone's going to come out and give you loads of [ __ ] on the second one they're going to give you some [ __ ] and then on the third one the shit's kind of a little bit old and by the fourth one everyone's G and I do think that it's this sort of momentum game that these guys are able to stay on and regardless of what you think about them regardless of whether you think that Logan Paul is a good guy or a bad guy or a media genius or an idiot that's managed to position himself well his ability to withstand media assault whether it's from mainstream or below the line whether it's legitimate or manifested like artificially is ungodly yeah it's the the nose blindness to [ __ ] up that I think that the world has right [ __ ] yeah yeah [ __ ] yeah that's such a good way to put it we're just like the the room stinks like [ __ ] but we've been in here for two two hours and at that point like it's it's you know our our base level yeah that's phenomenal I uh I don't know about this this uh fire Festival 2.0 it's like how is this guy able to conduct a business is there no business litigation thing that says you know like you shoot someone and you get out of jail and it's like yo you don't get to Firearms anymore if you con and trap people on an island with no water and a couple of tents from Hurricane Katrina guess what you don't get to run festivals no more but maybe he's got jar rule back in as the operator I don't know this is uh this is definitely a stipulation or a sanction that a lot of white white collar criminals face um when they go to jail they're not allowed to trade anymore they're not allowed to have they these are literally written into um their punishment computer hackers aren't allowed access to the internet or to be near a digital device stuff like that precisely and I I would love to know like the depth of these because I think that's very interesting I feel like your commenters would you know some people in business could CH chime in on it but I think someone will know yeah someone will definitely know but I think that yeah there there has to be something like that like he should not be able to do this for sure there's no way but it's like it's not even it's not even like oh this is a tangential thing I've actually pivoted and I'm going to do a calling it fire fire two it's like f in fact the um the website is like fire 2.com or something oh sick you think it's unbelievable and then he was he was defrauding investors and doing all of this other stuff so yeah I I don't know man you you're right the world loves a winner and this sort of trickle down effect that you get of success you know in the last year I've been around a lot of like super successful people and they have nothing short of a reality Distortion field around them like they they move and it's not largely their fault like people just are so Keen to not upset the person that they see as being a Gateway between them and success in the world that they're just they'll it literally does move reality around them and um yeah I I don't know we'll see what happens with this Billy mcfallen thing it's December 2024 uh they've it's already sold out on the first batch of tickets it are you kidding it's already sold out but then it was a it's really limited it looks like there's only a th000 tickets in total but the final stage of tickets top out at 7 7 Grand each so it's not I don't know it's like high high ticket low volume which is the opposite I think of he just promised everything when he previously and there was the 25 Grand Villas and 100 Grand yachts and all sorts of other [ __ ] that was going on all right next thing uh the international powerlifting Federation has changed its policy seemingly in response to outrage generated by a male dominating female competitions breaking records along the way male competitor an andr 40 recently defeated all female competitors at the Canadian powerlifting unions 2023 Western Canadian championship by lifting a combined score of 1,317 beating the second place finisher by more than 450 you did a video on this a long time ago or a good while ago you were really out ahead of this for the people that don't know what's happening in powerlifting what's happening with transgender uh categories in in that spot so this was specific to the uh CPC Canadian powerlifting com commission or some some I forget what the name of the actual Federation was but it had to it was in Canada um and that happened uh the the woman uh the trans transwoman andrees I think was her last name uh and so she wiped the floor especially in the bench press um and then uh there was the one of the head coaches of the Canadian powerlifting team when they went to ipf world so the international powerlifting Federation worlds he did a massive troll of this rule which which stated at the time it stated whatever you determine you are self yes that is it and it was the at the time it was pretty much the loosest form of this although I think in skateboarding they've been doing it you know things that aren't officially either Olympic sports or world champion sanction sports with like wada and things like that they've recognize self ID for gender category determination so if for a sport that's like has a pretty decent World Federation this was a a pretty crazy Rule and this guy went and trolled it and he did aund like he for him this bench press was pretty low like 160 kilos for a strong strong bencher is really not hard like I I know guys that can do sets of five with that and again this is like so far above the average human being it's ridiculous he goes up and does 160 kilos and the next nearest to him I think was like 105 so this is the coach one of the coaches of the Canadian powerlifting team female powerlifting team a just team right okay Canadian powerlifting team decided bearded like 200 or more no like just a man just a man who said I'm a woman now decided to take this to the extreme with this particular competition steps up puts up a world what would probably be a world record uh yeah for sure by a distance in terms of but it because it wasn't a world it won't be classified as that but had he have been at the Olympics or had he have been somewhere else he would have been that would have been a world record that will never ever ever ever be beaten correct yes and uh the craziest thing was andrees was on the spotting team for it she was yeah so if he' failed the rep then this person would have had to yeah the woman who this was kind of pointing at uh at the time it was in the same area that's why why this happened and it's interesting that this this rule came out I didn't know that they had done it with uh powerlifting because my sport is uh Olympic weightlifting and that's what I focus on they just recently came up with a transgender category but I didn't know that they did this but I had been covering what this dude had done um and it's interesting that they're making the but they're probably following suit of what was started by Fina which is the national or the governing swimming organization they were the first people to produce a uh open category um what's open open is the category for Trans people who do not uh transition before Tanner stage three which is essentially just puberty like it's essentially it's going to be uh 11 to 13 in females and let's say 12 to 14 in males or 11 to 14 in males so am I right in saying that the current set of rules now create a limit and the limit is basically puberty for both boys and girls if you go through that you are unable to compete in the opposite gender you could compete in your own gender your biological sex or you could compete in this open category but you couldn't switch across to the other one however if you did start on puberty blockers before you hit puberty which is really really rare to do it before gender dysphoria seems to kick in once puberty begins in any case and getting access to it you know especially in the UK after this Tav stock Clinic I had this lady on the show who she was talking about how this is really really being rolled back in the UK which I think is a a very uh positive development um it's going to be very unlikely and you're going to have to have one hell of a tyrannical parent to go my daughter my son is going to be a world champion female fale swimmer at 10 years old so we're going to like put them on a course of puberty blockers so that in 15 years time they can win a gold medal that seems very unlikely yeah so they they created this open category the thing with that is though it is now a self ident a self ID so you can have a whirlwind of problems if someone decides to self ID and Go destroy in that well it depends how prestigious the open category becomes it won't be it won't be for sure and it won't be in the Olympics either so that is the big thing with when we look at uh swimming and uh Olympic weightlifting and I'm assuming that almost all Olympic sports are going to have this domino effect um because this is very new news for Olympic weightlifting Olympic weightlifting just not prevalent as powerlifting but this just happened in in in my sport as well uh and I feel like it's gonna just the dominoes are going to fall and it's going to be open category but the problem is this open category will likely not exist it's definitely not going to exist in uh Paris who knows if it'll ever exist and I think after Paris is La uh but that's where really where the limiting factor is like um I think Fina responded to Leah Thomas yeah why is it that you think that uh swimming led the way because of Leah Thomas it was it had to have been they would never admit such a thing but that whole Leo Thomas argument crossed every bit of culture no matter you know if we look at Olympic sports like we genuinely don't care about it however there are certain names especially like Michael Phelps and and when the Olympics comes on swimming is for sure one of the most popular events so you know that Leah Thomas thing comes in it's like we can all kind of connect to swimming and then uh you know that that was massive that crossed everything that created a massive culture war and I think fina's response was directly from that and then who was the one I want to say Riley Reid but that's a pawn star who is the who's the chick Riley gains Riley uh track and field no she was the blonde uh girl that kind of came out being pro women she was like she was like the Fox News to Leah Thomas's CNN right there um I pretty sure it was Riley GES there was a spokeswoman uh who was Riley Gaines Riley gain I got it right sorry for accusing you of being Riley Reed there were a couples uh uh um there were a couple of women who had spoken out who were on previous Olympic team um but I will say this so Leah Thomas for weightlifting it was a woman named Laurel hubard and I've covered that plenty of times on my channel it's like I've literally been covering it for forever but for those who who don't know uh Laurel hubard she transitioned at 33 years old and was a junior uh weightlifting champion at in New Zealand and mind you the numbers that when it was he he uh he was lifting were not competitive on the international scale uh in fact I've actually lifted more than both of uh his previous Junior uh pick whichever identification you want you've lifted more than them right uh but that but that that's not to say that I'm a good lifter it's just to say that like it's good but it's not internationally good not even remotely close uh the transition happens and uh she wins the Commonwealth Games she didn't didn't she bow Commonwealth championships didn't she bow out of something was it Tokyo that she so she got injured sna [ __ ] she snapped her [ __ ] in uh I think it was the World Championships where we had an American woman in the same category and I know her coach and I know her and if she had medled and taken away a medal from her they would have freaked out these are southern people from Texas it's where they train they would have freaked out um yeah so that that Laurel hubard the response is now uh you know uh the iwf which is the international weightlifting Federation they placed the open category then we have the whole andrees and I think the guy's name is AVI silverberg or something like that AI something and that whole drama created a bunch of you know culture War drama then they responded to that it's almost as if every one of these uh organizations they're all responses to these big culture War snaps so it does work it does work but it depends it depends on what you mean by it does work is it the response that's working or is it the fact that you need a Leah Thomas a laurel hubard and Andre person to spearhead uh push back like they they they cause a problem and then people respond to that but it definitely seems like the three Sports there may be more sports that this is happened in I haven't seen it the three sports that have done it and been most forthcoming with it are the ones that have had the most coverage about trans athletes I think track and field is next for sure so because we had uh there was an interex uh 800 meter Sprinter who or 800 meter Runner Sor it's mid distance uh who's like the fastest woman of all time like in that I forget forget the name it was is you know the open category is the open category M to f open and F to M open or is it just one block of both I'm not sure I'm leaning towards I'm I'm leaning towards just one block of both because if it's if it's a single block then there's unfairness the F to M that that every single one of those athletes isn't part of this right it's another it's another sport that's dominated by biological men it it wouldn't make sense to to just have it as one but then again you have two okay well now there's how many competitors are there does it keep just going and going yeah yeah and then it's the FTM who have got gluten intolerance and athletes foot then it's the FTM who've got gluten- intolerance athletes foot and and like didn't like to eat peas as a kid and you just keep on rolling down from there right I the that is the one of the biggest arguments uh of people who are in support of self-identification is that sport is filled with disadvantages and advantages so someone can be born with more testosterone than someone else so is that an advantage that we need to now hinder because testosterone works on a spectrum you know you could say this with so many different things humans are born differently but that's why we have sport to see who is different yeah to see who is different but we need to have some sort of classification male female and now open yeah very interesting I'm waiting for the it'll happen at some point and it'll get laughed out of the room but there is a there will be a very extreme body positivity sort of victimhood progressive narrative that comes to try and take out success in sports it's like so why is it that the thinnest people are the ones that get to do gymnastics like who is it that actually says that these standards of being able to do a backflip are the best in gymnastics who actually says that Grace or the quickest one because I noticed that when I look at the line of the 100 meters finals that's not a very diverse set of bodies that we've got up there you know I I do think that you're going to see like some insane ridiculous person trying to push this narrative uh but lizo unfortunately uh is not doing her part for the body positive Community CU you see this story about her making dancers eat bananas out of the vaginas of strippers and in Amsterdam and then body shaming them all and doing all the rest of it yeah you know I it's a I think Tim Dylan and Joe Rogan talked about this and Tim had a really good point it was like lizo kind of went on and hired people to be her dancers that aren't professional dancers you know like they they're they're good you know and then they're plus-sized and the point was I want to prove that you know these people can be in Show business as well and what happened was there was a a line of problems that followed up on it and then I think someone tried to record her uh like being abusive and then she threatened to like lock the doors and figure out who it was but yeah I I gotta be honest with you man I can't I couldn't care less about lizo and the and and the things that she does to be fair yeah well if you think that that woman was ever being genuinely like Pro body positivity I don't think that you're a particularly good judge of of people like Ellen De generous I know that there was all of this news that came out about her and how mean she was and stuff like that she didn't ever seem like anyone to me that wasn't just a performative mouthpiece for what she thought would make her likable and or make make her money make her money yeah which included being being likable all right next thing that I want to talk to you about do you think that watching porn constitutes cheating this is a good one um let me give you some more context and you can ponder on that question along with everybody El is there a study uh a woman explains why she made her husband look away when Florence Pew appeared in Oppenheimer apparently there is a runy sex scene throughout Oppenheimer and this lady West Virginia Tik tocker Jordan Kerr has revealed that there's one scene her husband didn't watch while they were enjoying the new movie at the cinemas as he had to close his eyes and rest his head on her shoulder this is all because she said she suffered betrayal trauma after discovering that he watched porn one of her female followers had asked if she had any advice for how her and her husband could watch Oppenheimer whilst being fully afraid of the Florence Pew scene everyone's talking about and she said that she researched aggressively every single movie that they're going to watch before they watch it and especially this one and when the movie came up he had to place his head on his on her shoulder with his eyes closed and then she got to tell him when that scene had finished uh I went through betrayal trauma 10 months ago after 9 years of marriage 10 years of being a completely monogamous relationship she said I was fully under the belief that he didn't look at other women he didn't self-pleasure at other women porn was the furthest thing from my mind I never would have thought or believed that he was using porn but he was and I found out about it on September 17th 2022 that was the hardest day of my life it was the hardest following weeks and following months of my life betrayal trauma has changed me as a person inside and out it put me through a lot of stress it put me through a lot of pain it put me through sickness it put me through depression gave me a lot of stress and a lot of anxiety I've come a long way in healing I'm still with my husband and so happy and thankful I'm proud to say that he's been sober for 10 months he's been doing all the steps all the work everything necessary to not only change and stay sober reach long-term recovery but also assure me that he is creating a self safe space he is becoming a trustworthy person and he is showing me the signs that I need by his actions his behaviors and his patterns that he is going in the right direction uh yeah so that the context is important with that situation for sure like if you're having problems uh then yeah uh both Partners should stay away from self-pleasuring and and porn and like look to each other for that I think that's got to be a pretty intuitive response um if the porn is literally taking away from your sex life between you and your partner then yes it's absolutely a problem and it and it hasn't and there's been some there was like a massive meta analys meta analysis on this do you know which one I'm talking about it talks about porn use and um the relationship to either failed relationships or failed marriages and it was a huge huge can you remember what the outcome was it I mean it was just the more porn the less likelihood of the longevity of your uh but but the thing is the porn could be a result of problems and then it it doesn't fix it which direction is the correlation Arrow going here do people that are in bad relationships watch porn or does porn cause you to have a bad relationship right and maybe both are true MH uh but I I I think you know um it's just all communication like I went with my partner to see Oppenheimer she didn't [ __ ] even think twice about the Florence Pew scene we she's like oh Florence Pew great actress cool I'm like yeah cool nice tits he's like yeah you pass the popcorn yeah with a whole that movie was [ __ ] amazing dude how how is that the the part where you're stressing man that was the most important that was the most important part so what I've got in my head there's another article here about the same thing from distractify.com uh after finding out that her husband had an addiction one woman began documenting her recovery journey and helping other women in her spot on Tik Tok finding out your partner has a drug addiction or drinking problem is one thing but finding out they are addicted to watching sex sexually explicit content of other women is a whole different ballpark how so well it's an ADD ition that involves betrayal the partner with the addiction chose to experience and lust over other bodies rather than their Partners when one woman learned her husband had that type of an addiction she starts documenting on Tik Tok so I'm wondering how many men have been rumbled by a partner who evidently doesn't feel particularly comfortable with being sexually open sociosexual in evolutionary psychology speak I bet that she's very low I think that she's probably got some she said it drove her into anxiety and depression which probably suggests that she maybe was predisposed to that maybe got some self-esteem issues and stuff like that so she's a perfect cocktail for this to trigger something which is really really bad in her I wonder how many men have been caught by that and played the same card that every celebrity for the rest of time when he's been caught cheating has played it's it's my addiction it's my pathology they've pathologized like using porn once every couple of nights or once every week right in an attempt to try and so I would say I would give it at least a 50% chance probably more probably like a 90% chance that this guy doesn't have an addiction to porn that this is his way of making his partner calm down with the thing was it stated in in the thing that he was addicted it's said on it's said on both that he was addicted but I'm going to guess that that's self ID right but porn addiction is a real thing and it's really uh it's I don't dis I don't disagree but I think porn addiction genuine genuine porn addiction is relatively rare it's it's really really rare actually especially in a relationship to be addicted to porn is is wild and to go to recovery groups and stuff but anyway the thing that's interesting here is and obviously like the the point to get around to is is it reasonable for a partner to have a problem with their partner watching porn and if it is is it unreasonable for you to uh pleasure yourself on your own without porn and if it is should you have some sort of Minority Report mind reporting thing that says the only person that you could fantasize about whilst on your own even if it wasn't with porn in front of you is your partner and what do you do if a thought Creeps in about that one girl that one hot girl from high school or that chick that trains in the gym or whatever how scrutinized should your fantasies be to the point where you feel I've betrayed my partner you know during last night's fap I actually thought about Katie from 2007 and that's it I guess I've cheated on her now darling I'm going to have to take myself to rehab the this what helps me kind of parse through this is thinking about the timeline because um you know porn at this level was not available up until like what 2000 99 maybe and then I'd say maybe in like 200 nineish is when it became okay now you can get any porn you want to stream uh so that's an important factor right because like what would somebody in the 70s how would this how how were people thinking about this in the 70s well if they didn't have porn access to porn they were looking at nudie mags all the time then I guess that would be a problem but if they're not and they're masturbating well then they're using their mind to think about something else um I think what that comes down to is like the difference between fantasy in reality and like a lot of this is just my understanding of it but a lot of women specifically like fantasy to them is so separate to their reality like uh if you if you think about how well all of these fantasy novels like romance novels do um if we think about how incredible uh 50 Shades of Gray did like I don't know the numbers on that but it was a mass thing it was a cultural phenomenon that's a movie where I would say like the only way a woman can enjoy that is to think about that scenario and is it with their partner so the the the the interesting thing here is men State around about an average of four uh sexual partners per fantasy so if you're having a sexual fantasy you will tend to cycle through in one session about four because the male desire for sexual variety is significantly higher women will tend to be one which is why in any romance I mean there's some probably some novels out there that are a bit different almost all romance novels have a single protagonist right the woman isn't bouncing from bed to bed between different guys because that doesn't fulfill the fantasy that on average most women have which is a single usually very high value usually very high status kind of rough around the edges man that she civilizes she domesticates him because of his desire for her that is the typical sort of narrative that you see in this if men had romance novels each chapter would be a different gang bang with a group of different women right like that's the way it would work so it it's definitely using if if you were to say and there may be people out there that do if you were to say that even the thought of fantasizing about a different person to your partner is constitutes cheating that is a very female Centric frame to place around this and that's biological predisposition very robust male desire for sexual variety is higher number of fantasies number of Partners in any one given fantasy for men is way higher than it is for women now maybe you can say if you were sufficiently faithful and this was genuine Chastity you would be able to use your love for your partner and your desire for them and you could T down all of these other things and this shows that you're not actually as as whatever is is but if I was to take as balanced of a view as I can I think that that's firstly unrealistic and secondly a little bit unfair on men that's not for me to say that men should be going out of their way to like reminisce or fantasize about their cooworker at work when they've got a wife who's pregnant and two kids at home but we just need to be realistic here like you don't get to control every single thing that goes through your mind and unless you're going to peer into someone's mind and that what it thought crime am I allowed to think things anymore we get into very dangerous territory well so I I don't know who said this but it's this idea of uh thinking things is not always the problem thinking bad things is not the problem it's the action of making those things that you think physical and that can be so if you're in a search bar on porn you're searching for that thing you're thinking of okay well now you are making that thought real and it is a potentially you know that that can creep into your partner's mind as as being something problematic uh even further than that if you're thinking of another woman uh maybe that's bad maybe that's not but if you message that woman you have now and and or if you say what you're thinking about that woman to another man Even um that's where it's like you become what you say and what you create in the world much more than what you think yeah we're just going to think think think think think new thing comes in new thing comes in and then you know so I think in a certain extent I think women can be correct in this you know what would be the line then like don't write out what you want to see because then you know I guess I guess it depends I guess it depends on exactly how sensitive that particular woman is to what's going on I would be interested to know whether men would have a problem with their partner uh watching por their female partner watching porn I would almost be certain at guessing that if it was lesbian porn which a massive proportion of women do watch that they probably wouldn't care uh it's the same as the like oneid one-sided open relationship that we're seeing in Austin a lot which is well we bring additional people into our marriage or our relationship but it's always a woman and fundamentally the guy just isn't quite as threatened but yeah I'd be interested to know what people think uh I I don't know in the comments let us know if you think that watching porn when you're with a partner is cheating is fantasizing about an imaginary woman cheating is fantasizing about like what if you just enhance your partner a little bit what if you make them a bit more tanned or you put them in a blonde wig or like you imagine that they've got a different job like it's just there's a line and at some point you have to say well that's it that's but I I would say on average that that lady there could probably do with doing a little bit of resilience work like if if you are getting triggered by your partner watching and she's recently come out of this thing that she was evidently predisposed to and she's like trauma response or whatever it is and all the rest of the stuff I would say on average that that person is in for a hard life if they are permanently being vigilant to okay so we walk past Victoria Secrets does he have to close his eyes and walk into a lampost when it's Victoria Secrets there but what about if they change it for body positive models does that make it different that sounds very big phobic or fat phobic or whatever it is so I don't know anyway next thing Bradley Cooper the Leonard Leonard Bernstein family defendant actor over the Maestro nose row so Leonard Bernstein is in a movie or he is being played by Bradley Cooper in a movie and uh it attracted some criticism over the size of Cooper's nose which some social media users said played up to offensive Jewish stereotypes Bernstein's family said they were perfectly fine with Cooper using makeup to amplify his appearance there has also been criticism that a Jewish actor was not cast to play the Westside Story composer breaks our hearts to see any misrepresentation or misunderstandings of Cooper's efforts wrote Jamie Alexander and Nina Bernstein in a statement posted online now you'll remember recently the uh Snow White and the Seven Dwarves movie uh started sort of ramping up a little bit of movement didn't cast dwarves for the dwarfs didn't cast little people and a lot of dwarf actors had a problem with that and Hollywood came out and said you know this it's it's Antiquated they're like figurative dwarfs it's a fairy tale and yet when it suits them no one that isn't gay can play a gay actor no one that isn't whatever can play whatever actor uh I I think that there's a a massive asymmetry going on with the selection effect here Bradley Cooper I don't know his politics but he just looks like someone that would probably be a bit right-wing and I think that that probably doesn't play into it very very well so the the dwarves thing is interesting because um froo bagin and you know uh was played by Elijah Wood uh and they're halflings they're literally four feet tall maybe even smaller than that and I think the reality was like Hobbits have the same dimensions as people and I think dwarves uh don't that's part of their like condition so it's like okay well are we is it a height thing that we're looking for is it you know it's a it is a very weird thing man because on the other side of that if you had people playing a an African-American person or a black person and they just wore blackface that's that's the worst of it right it's GNA go badly but if you to do the if you do to do the reverse you know we've got period dramas like uh Bridgeton uh and other U movies to do with Vikings uh series to do with the Middle Ages and regularly somebody of an ethnic minority that isn't from that era in that region will be injected into it in an attempt to increase diversity so I I don't know I I think that everybody's getting very very sensitive about characters playing the characters and I do understand that for instance with the dwarf thing I don't imagine that there's that many roles for dwarfs in Hollywood so maybe it's a good idea to actually limit those roles to the people for whom there is a very limited amount of work but then on the flip side of that if you say okay and if you want to cast somebody who is suffering with Parkinson's to play a Parkinson's patient like that's going to go very badly you're not going to have a particularly good movie because you're not selecting the best person so this is why it's interesting it's interesting because you want to have the best person for the role but you also there is a degree of like well you know if this role is for a very specific sort of person and they get pushed to one side that also kind of doesn't feel fat and I think this tension is is what makes it interesting this is definitely unprecedented right because now Hollywood knows that they can you know uh the mob can [ __ ] about Prosthetics now uh and and how they can you know play up certain stereotypes uh but I'm looking right now at an image and it's Leonard Bernstein next to Bradley Cooper's Leonard Bernstein um there's obviously Prosthetics but there's prosthetic ears looks like his cheeks a little bit uh in the nose but I wonder if they just didn't do that if it would have made a difference I don't know because part of it's like you want to look like the guy because if people know who Leonard Bernstein is and they they recognize his face well then it's going to be really important that the person playing him looks like him yeah so you should have got a berian lookalike when Will Smith played Muhammad Ali he had his ears pinned back because Will Smith's ears stick out way more than Muhammad Ali's do and yeah know that yeah yeah he had his ears pinned back for the movie um here's something else I just saw this before I was coming on you've been following this vivec ramas Swani guy do you know who that is Republican candidate and he is doing a lot of kind of viral talking head moments whether it's on in on Street interviews or uh to the press and he's a really really slick talker say what you want about politics and his positions on X Y and Zed but he's an unbelievably slick talker it's very it is very very very impressive and I think he's sort of catching up in the polls and doing all the rest of it and then I went on his Twitter and he is doing because he's young I think he's 37 or 38 so he been by far the youngest president ever maybe he's like maybe he's in his 40s or something but he's like around about that age and his debate prep he always uploads videos of him doing debate prep and it's this video of him absolutely hammering forand Strokes forand Baseline Strokes with his top off in the sunshine and the guy is in good condition and I'm like what what world is this and there's another one he's like three hours of debate prep today or whatever and then there's another one of him with his top off doing burpees with his partner really really interesting that' be that's a big change from Old Grandpa Joe yeah you know Trump the guy that the guy that said that you have a a particular number of heartbeats and if you train if you exercise it uses up your heartbeats more quickly that is that what Trump said I'm pretty sure he said that or maybe maybe it's a lie that I heard I don't know that's incredible but the dude's just hammering thunderous forehands on the Baseline yeah that's so sick it's impressive do you see that uh Trump has bowed out of the Republican uh initial debate whatever the first like GOP debate is and he's going to live stream with Tucker Carlson on Twitter Instead at the same time wow okay so so uh and that's so well actually is what it's called now um oh man that's going to be how many views I mean doesn't Twitter get the most views of anything right now it does but it's because the criteria for getting a view on it is the lowest it's you know it's a half second scroll past and when you've got autoplay uh on a platform it counts pretty much anyone going past it as a view which I I I don't think is fair that being said you can get into the analytics on the back end and see 3 second views 30 second views 60c views I think calculate all watch time would be be cool I would love to see that I would love to see the comparison between the two yeah yeah hilarious all right next thing uh San franciscans are having sex in Robo taxis and nobody is talking about it have you ever thought about getting down and dirty in a robo taxi all the time what want to light up a Sig or a joint on the drive home from the club you're not alone as autonomous vehicles have become increasingly popular in San Francisco some Riders are wondering just how far they can push the vehicle limits especially with no front seat driver or chaperon to discourage them from questionable behavior from some that's a welcome invitation to test invitation to test the auto autonomous vehicles limits Megan a woman in her 20s took her first Robo taxi on a recent late night Excursion it's also her first time having sex in a driverless vehicle just going to pause there what do you mean it was also her first time having sex in a driverless vehicle like that's a rare thing yeah like that's not every got be everyone's first man yeah right okay so uh the standard is not providing exact dates of the Riders debauchery to protect their privacy but has verified the rides took place through documentation okay so I'm glad that they've been fact checked on whether or not this happened we got in and just got straight to it making out said Megan who got into the cruise wearing nothing but a robe one thing led to another and he made sure I was taken care of if you will I was like I have no underwear on and I'm ready to go in this kimono and I was using his slippers that were five sizes too big this sounds awful you have you ever tried to have sex in a car that's probably of the size size that this autonomous vehicle is uh no right I lost my virginity in a VW Lop which is increased the difficulty that's such I'm sorry but that is get more of a UK car to have hey be more be more British yeah be more British you can't there's no way yeah let me tell you man like if you don't know what you're doing not knowing what you're doing in a car is way harder uh so I've seen those autonomous vehicles driving around yep uh in Austin uh so every time I see one I have to take a picture of it going by it's it's crazy to me still it's gonna be crazy somebody's in case somebody's getting butt [ __ ] in the back seat yeah well you know that would be uh Buck [ __ ] in the backseat of a robo taxi that's going to be my romance novel um speaking of romance novels that could be the sequel to uh [ __ ] down in Dallas but [ __ ] in a robo taxi yes and so I think the the easiest solution to this problem is you just say it's a public place right even though it's private transport but like you have to have public rules then because you you wouldn't be you're not able to just because you can't see any driver and the place is empty it's um you know illegal to have sex in a Subway or or in in you know any sort of tram or something like that so this is weird too because there's cameras on the inside of all of those things you know so I don't know who gets it yeah there's the cameras everywhere on those things they have to be because someone could just come in and [ __ ] up the whole entire thing and no one would know it's like a bird scooter at that point just a really expensive bird scooter do you reckon anyone's ever had sex on a bird scooter while it's moving yeah no well our our friend fully planted off that and it took like 6 weeks to recover uh I know someone who uh had to have basically reconstructive teeth like their severed [ __ ] nerves and [ __ ] in their teeth cut they fell off a bird scooter man how awful me and you me and you have done stupid things on birds driving a thing is we're too athletic that's the thing right you are tempting fate there the next time that we're you can't teach this right yeah you can't this grace is is Unstoppable but yeah I don't know the robot taxi thing I would be very interested to see if this becomes a kink and if you start to see oh for sure for sure will be yeah like grinder but for cars whoa driver driver yeah drvr yep well there's a business opportunity let's do it invest now 6969 a month what else you been doing tell me about your trip to Japan and what was it like being that oh man Japan was incredible um the the best way to describe Japan is one moment that I had and it was it was we all stopped when we saw it and we're like okay wow this is Tokyo at least Tokyo we didn't venture outside of it but this is when we realized like wow this is what Japan is about This Woman's walking her dog and the dog lifts the leg up to take a piss on like this post it's kind of like this barricade blocking this this uh uh Causeway where it's only walking and she takes out her water bottle that isn't it's a it's a literal water bottle that like it's like a Dan basically with a spray top on it and she sprays down where the dog pissed I have never seen anything like that there is no litter or Garbage anywhere there are hardly any bins for throwing things away um the engineering of something as simple as an elevator everywhere I went was ridiculous so it's like you get in the elevator you press where you're going and then you're moving and you're like wait a minute did we start moving and then and then the door opens it's like did how did we stop moving you can't feel it that's how good the engineering is it's like the process of being an engineer for an elevator must be so robust the the process right I got a cup of coffee at the place next to our Airbnb got into my elevator that felt like a [ __ ] spaceship it was like got down opened it up took a left went right into to get my coffee this guy made the greatest latte and I I vlogged about it and people were freaking out made the greatest latte ever he measured out the ice CU he like literally put the cup on a scale he had different spoons so that spoons wouldn't touch different of his ground up beans this process and he was going pretty fast it took like two three four minutes to make but I filmed the whole thing and it was the greatest latte I've ever had and he didn't even think about it he just handed it to me he goes there you go and like looked away I'm like bro if I was handing this to someone I'd be like yeah [ __ ] you're gonna like this thing you know because I'm an American I'm gonna be like yeah I just killed that thing right there you got to tell me how good it is how good I did that's just their culture is just find things that are interesting or or good and just be the [ __ ] best at it and don't talk about it you know that the uh the world champion Barista the current title holder at least the title holder in 2021 for a couple of years was Japanese so I think that they have an unbelievably strong coffee culture and whiskey culture too oh yo do you remember that whiskey that we had when we went for sushi at uh I love this story because we went we got the best some of the best Sushi I've ever had um and I did go to Japan I probably had better Sushi there but the we're not drinking at this it's like a Tuesday we didn't want to drink so they come by after it and they're like hey does anyone want whiskey and we're like no no no no he comes back our our waiter comes back and he he's like so this whiskey was has been ranked number one in the world for the past 15 years we had to put our names in two years ago to get a bottle of it and then me and you look at it we're like well now that you mention it I'm going to say no yeah yeah of course I'm going to have some whiskey now it was literally the best whiskey we could have had uh so yeah yeah there's a weight list they only issue 50 bottles of this around the world each year it goes to VIPs who know the the batch small batches all that [ __ ] uh yeah and then talk to me about because I've never been to either talk to me about Japan and Korea what was the movement between the two like yeah so the the flight to Korea I think it's like an hour and 40-minute flight super easy Soul airport which or inin airport is amazing I think that I liked the Korean food and Korean culture more than I expected to is definitely someplace where I want to go back for sure uh the people and and the traditional culture it is a pretty conservative culture there like you not really allowed to be gay there I don't think like it's it's not quite turkey level there's OB it's like yeah it's like a little bit too much here guys but I um the the food was like incredible it was incredible it probably my favorite food I've ever ever had in any like period it was did they do Korean bobq out there or is it I guess it's just barbecue out there yeah and but it's like what they're Korean barbecue for us is like this big event thing but for them it's like they're just cooking the food for you and like walking away it's like like they'll just put the steak on the grill and cook it flip it and then they'll cut it for you and then they'll put it off to the side and they'll just keep adding more to it so you just pick and grab when you're when you want something it's that simple like um and yeah we had that all the time this one guy took us out he we were drinking with them their drinking culture is absolutely insane uh I it's like it's definitely alcoholic like style of drinking we show up it's immediately five straight glasses of beer mixed with Soju like back to back to back to back to back uh and then we went out from there but that it was it was just incredible soul is an in is a great City definitely an underrated City and Korea is going through this massive explosion at the same time their birth rate is the worst of any of the modern world correct yeah there's going to be 96% fewer Koreans in 100 years than there will be now holy [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah and Japan that's not that far did you see a single pregnant person in Japan or in Korea I saw some kids in in Japan I saw some kids in Tokyo I saw a child and there was like a kindergarten that I walked by bunch of cute little kids just running around yeah but Korea no yeah I don't even think I saw a teenager in Korea it's not good Korea's not career's not good on that on that front really really really not good yeah that was it that was my experience we used to have um at one of the big club nights that we used to run it was uh Asian sock I think and uh this couple of uh guys ran it and they were able to move 400 people right and that meant that they were like super super super high value to us because 400 people in a nightclub is a nightclub right and then if you've already got a busy nightclub that's that's just pure profit so we would sort of grief the groups of these guys and try and keep in in with them as much as possible and they would always arrive 130 in the morning like super super late and order just joab Bombs all that they wanted was Jaga bombs but I'm sure you'll know this from Fitness Asian people lack a a high proportion of Asian people lack a particular enzyme that allows them to break down alcohol and they got asian flush and it's like a mild allergic reaction to having alcohol on the more severe end it can actually cause people to feel like digestive discomfort they can throw up and there's like the Baseline wanting to throw up of just having aab bomb or five Jager Bombs like just a normal person who can digest this stuff will have that and then you roll on Top This lack of an enzyme and the Asian flour and all this other stuff and dude it was like every single time that they were coming in there was a balancing act that me and my business partner had to make which was 300 people 400 people fantastic lots of sick like lots and lots of sick puking yeah upstairs in the R&B room so there was always this balancing act that we had to make but it it it's really fascinating I'd love to find out from an Asian person why alcohol is it's such an aggressive type of drinking it's oh yeah binge drinking there is no chill no I'm I'm I've never uh done a dinner like this I don't think I ever will again like it's it's almost so just picture this we sit down we're like getting excited they're cooking the meat we have uh bunch of big bottles of beer and Soju which is like kind of like watered down it tastes like water down vodka but it's a rice liquor and it's Korean um and he'll pour it in a glass that's like maybe eight ounces maybe yeah like a cup of coffee size glass and then he'll put in at least a shot of Soju in each one of them uh and he'll hand it to you and it's so it's 8 ounces it's you know and and he will you cheers uh and then there's a bunch of interesting stuff you point your glass away from the Elder like the bottom of your glass you point away from your Elder also when you're receiving a drink you have to grab it with your right hand you should usually just drink with your right hand uh and then you should probably hold on to your arm or like basically your wrist or your arm or your chest when when someone's giving you a drink when they're like your did you ask why it's just out of respect yeah why is that respect it looks it looks pretty respectful actually it's just it's like bowing almost if it's like a very human movement like I'm really happy to accept this from you so he did we did that you drink all eight ounces boom puts it down more stuff goes on it's like oh [ __ ] you filled it again cheers it's as soon as he fills it he hands it to you cheers again and again and again then we eat a little bit oh I forgot we haven't been drinking again again it's chugging [ __ ] 8 ounce drinks uh the the thing was though I am a 240 pound you know Anglo Saxon descent yeah but I don't I don't really drink that often when I do I'll drink pretty hard and I'll party pretty hard but I'm not an experienced Drinker by any stretch uh but he was getting hammered we were all getting hammered but he he kind of bowed out a little bit earlier than I expected you know for people who's part of their B their culture is binge drinking which is super interesting and I that's interesting why you brought up the the like as flush thing CU I think that played a part in it for sure you can take my old business partner used to take um a tablet that I think helped to fix the particular enzyme interesting problem that they that he had but yeah man I don't know I I wonder what people from Korea and Japan think when they come to the UK like look at me coming from one of the larest most binge drinking cultures on the planet going these Asian people drinking a lot like yeah no Chris I'm I'm sorry if dude I did a seminar this is also part of my trip I did a seminar in in Sunderland but I was staying in Newcastle yeah literally on that street that you used to work on yeah for the people for the people who know Newcastle he was staying just behind AA just down the hill from lello it was I have never seen nightlife like that it was the loudest and dude it was people of all ages there were like 40-year-old getting oh my God they were getting shitfaced and screaming uh it was nuts that was binge drinking like I have never really seen it's it's almost treated like a competitive sport for sure for sure yes I don't see that like you do not see that in Austin you don't no no well I guess I don't know we we go we go on Sixth Street sometimes like if we if we're going to see comedy and stuff and sometimes there's but even there it's not that aggressive man it's not yeah I suppose you are right if you've got some bachelorette party in from Nashville wearing pter fun you know like I feel like the people in Newcastle are like oh [ __ ] it's Friday let's black out like let's I mean did you ever used to have that cuz I remember when oh we did we did now that I say that those words have literally come out out of my mouth when I was younger so yeah it's Friday let's let's [ __ ] ourselves up yeah there was this thing and this was one of the big uh changes that I had when I did sub I went from having a Friday afternoon itch which was this compulsion this desire to party like I just wanted to to go out and get [ __ ] up and even if it wasn't get [ __ ] up I just wanted to go out like I'd got to the end of the week and I'd conditioned myself into okay it's a Friday I've worked hard this week therefore it's time to go out and party and even if you take it moderately a moderate session in the UK is still going to be eight drinks right plus probably and yeah it was every single week you get to Friday afternoon and there's this it's like when you know that you want a coffee but for a beer yeah the dude all I can say is there's certain like the music industry which I've tapped into a bit in Austin it's like the excitement of Friday happens every night that's when it gets really scary like you get you wouldn't expect it but like your boys have a show at you know somewhere on Sixth Street or somewhere on West 6th Street or rainy or whatever and you end up showing up and they're killing and it's fun and everyone's dancing and then they their set ends and they want a party now because they everyone's happy it's like fight up wait it's a [ __ ] Tuesday night you know and you guys are going to do this on Thursday and you know Friday Saturday Sunday it's crazy when stuff like that happens the the entertainment business is for sure a dangerous one I've also been in the comedian like I've been tapped into the comedy you know we were we were at the club we were sitting in the green room with all those comedians they're all drinking smoking the whole time so yeah I think I think that cultural uh excitement just always being excited is really tough the highs are high man but the lows are very low yeah I guess I was talking to Nick mutual friend with the mustache and uh I was saying to him about how because he doesn't drink when he plays he DJs it must be so hard to do something that's adrenaline fueled and that's your passion and you know you've just left a crowd at 2: in the morning with them in this unbelievably hyped State and you've been thinking and you've been focusing you've been doing all this stuff and now it's time to get into a quiet car and go home and your bird's been asleep for 4 and a half hours and you need to sneak in and you just lie there and stare at the ceiling and you just hear this loud noise yeah it's it's really difficult dude like the the The Nightlife industry is and all sorts of entertainment that happen late at night is [ __ ] unforgiving uh like I was messing and relatively thankless too I think because it is transient in in a way where like the people so if you're in a bachelor party or bachelorette party you go in party and have the time of your life at these bars but then you wake up in reality hits and you don't even want anything to do with those people those things they are hurt that is super super interesting so um especially if you're not this is the difference I think largely between being a producer and being a DJ or by being a uh a musician who plays gigs and a musician that makes music um because if you're just there to be a soundtrack to the party there's an upper bound on how existentially connected people are going to feel to you right they're not like you're not changing their life you might give them a really great event or whatever and you might even get famous off the back of it but it's totally different to being someone who produces music that they listen to on the way to the gym or after they've had a breakup or that helps them to understand that they were you know that they were alone as a child I cannot I cannot recommend this documentary enough it is the avichi documentary um because that is what killed him I ultimately I believe that's what killed the man was uh there there was a brilliant scene where he's arguing with his manager and he goes hey man I'm I'm not doing Vegas I'm not doing the residency in Vegas and he's like I kind of signed you up for it and he's like I don't [ __ ] care I'm not [ __ ] doing it I'm quitting I'm not gonna DJ anymore I am not doing Vegas smash cut [ __ ] Vegas doing it oh and they they had a show counter on it it was like first it was like first 20 shows he's [ __ ] loving it and it gets up to like 570 shows uh in like less I mean it was literally maybe a day off flying from he would tour and then he would have his residency that he would fly back to so the off days he was doing a residency yeah uh and that was it right there um and this day and age in music you you this is content now it's algorithm based so you can get big and famous from the comfort of your own home you produce content and you can get it out through social media it's not about radio plays it's not about because aichi came up through blogs I don't know or where blogs were like uh I don't know if you remember any of those those blogs that we used to get music off of um but they would promote these these DJs and that's how they got big then they gig like crazy but now there's Spotify is algorithmic you have a good enough song that goes well on Tik Tok it becomes algorithmic it'll bounce around you can stay home and it sucks that a guy like that missed that he didn't get a chance to hit that and this life that he lived was not the life that he wanted uh and he he paid the ultimate price for it yeah dude that's sad um yeah I love that documentary and anyone who's listen absolutely absolutely watch it definitely like a I mean I've told you this story before but it happened on the podcast [ __ ] hell four years ago uh but it's Coy right so uh Kristoff our boy Mutual mutual friend of ours he's played for djed for me for 15 years and he told me this story on the podcast which you can go back and listen to four years old it's really great it's an insight into the life of a touring DJ I think it was a Wednesday or a Thursday and he was in Argentina and the next time that he was going to get to sleep in a bed that wasn't in the air was Tuesday so it was almost a full week of sleeping on planes or in loues or yeah in in in Vans or whatever um this is a guy who has played Madison Square Garden supporting Eric prids he's got a residency this summer at high IA I think it's every Tuesday with Adam Bayer uh and maybe prids there as well or maybe hoton 82 or something as big as it gets before you get to Absolute like insane Superstar like edge here and of dance level and you know from the outside it looks really glamorous but he told me the story and he hadn't been sleeping all that much and he'd been like drinking and partying and stuff like that throughout his shows and then he had this period and he got back and he couldn't sleep even though he was like super super tired and he was watching shopping channels like QVC and and live TV shopping for some reason and he couldn't work out why and then he says he kind of blacks out he he has this Blank Spot in his memory then he came to at the local supermarket that's 24 hours it's across the street from where my house just down the street from where my house is in gosi in Newcastle he came to and he was sat on the floor of the toiletries aisle and he had one of every different type of hair gel and hair putty laid out around him on the floor and he was taking little bits of it and putting putting it on his head scooping his hand in and like slapping it on his head and he had this thought in his head like yeah my hair's [ __ ] like I need to try all of these different things so he's putting it on his head and then he sort of comes to out of this sort of fever dream and looks around and he's like what am I what am I doing here stands up grabs a flet of broccoli 48 dishwasher tablets and walks out without paying for them gets home and wakes up the next day to find hundreds hundreds of parcels arriving at his front door for like little 5-year-old girls crop tops and toys and lawnmower accessories and like an inflatable pool all of these different things and he just had a like a small psychotic break wow and then he went to a doctor presumably a psychiatrist he said yeah that's that's a that's a combination of sleep deprivation and a bunch of really really that's psychosis right there yeah for sure yeah I would love to see what like his blood work was oh yeah at that what is running through your body that's causing this to happen oh my God yeah insane dude and he was saying like you know from the outside the DJing and you're playing and everyone's got their hands in the air and they know the words to your song or they've listened to it on Spotify or they've come especially to AA to just see you and your set and maybe less so with a residency but certainly when you're touring he said the reality is that you get back to a hotel room and you haven't eaten in probably 8 hours and maybe you're drunk or maybe you're not and you're alone and it's dark and you order room service and you sit in your room on your own and you try and chill out and you try and wind down and you don't and then you eventually go to sleep and you wake up the next day having only had a few hours sleep because you need to get on a plane to get to the next place to get up and you can't remember where you are you arrive at the venue and you sound check and it's it's a different place with a different club and a different promoter but the same promoter and the same club and the same place because it is just over and over and over again the Guy meets you he gives you a beer he explains the club you soundcheck you let the warmup DJs go on you start partying and Away you go and yeah Chris the people who watch him are having way more fun than he is the best part of being a DJ is being in the audience yeah yeah uh so this is a really interesting story uh my buddy Pat who you've met he's an incredibly talented singer songwriter here in Austin and he's uh from Ireland and he was opening for this singer songwriter that I used to listen to back when I listened to Pandora um I mean that's literally 2010 or something where Pandora was the original algorithmic music and one of his songs um was so important to me like I loved it and and then I found out that Pat was opening for this guy his name name is Joe Pug um and the song's called him number 35 and I watched Pat play Pat was incredible I watched this guy play Joe Pug it was very good um but it wasn't what I remember it wasn't as this thing that I had thought it was gonna be which is which is fine it's okay and he played that song that I love and then at the end um Pat's selling merch he's selling merch and then everyone leaves and I walk up to him and I'm like himm number 35 I have loved that song for over a decade now and it the lyrics to it every part of it was so mystical to me I was like what what were you thinking when you wrote that or what what is this song about and his answer was I don't know man I was just young and I just wrote something and then he just kind of like walked away and I was like [ __ ] like it really isn't important to him it really like it kind it was then a little bit but I have made this into something that it's important to me the lyrics in it are incredible it's an in it's probably one of my favorite singer songwriter songs ever and this the guy who made it had all he had to say was I was young when I wrote it and I don't really know and he just kind of fumbled off and walked away what's the lesson that you took away from that it's the same thing with Cy it's like the the experience to somebody else with your art is just it's usually going to be much more valuable than your own experience which is really crazy to think about really genuinely as as creators ourselves somebody definitely has taken a Chris Williamson clip or video or something that you have done and it is much much more important to them than it could ever be to you so that's probably right but I would say from a Creator perspective I'm trying to think if this is right I might go out on the limb and say that it's true I think that being a podcaster is probably reducing down the pain of being a Creator about as much as it's possible to do it you even the difference between being a YouTuber and being a podcaster there's so much more performance required in doing the YouTube thing if it's like hey guys welcome back to the channel today I'm going to give you my top 10 tips for doing the this thing because you need to write a script you need to write an outline and then you need to do take after take after take oh [ __ ] I flub that line [ __ ] that was the wrong what was the thing that I'm supposed to say in that and then you come back to it so that's a level of performatives and then if you take it one step further and you go to working on a nighttime as some sort of a performer some sort of a DJ your sleep patterns all over the place are you actually making money during the day do people actually care about what it is that you're doing there is a high price that you pay for it and we've spoken about this before even the guys that Vlog the the travel vlogging stuff that they do 50% of the trip is lived through the lens of the camera and until you get to the stage where you have a videographer following you around which almost nobody do like proportionally nobody gets there even if you're Mike thirston and you've got you know an amazing videographer you've got Louis following you around and it's all cool and you live in Dubai or you got a villa in Mara even then you got to take time out of the experience to record The Experience so that it's there and it's like okay well what I guess in some regards you have this really cool record on your YouTube channel that's beautifully edited of all of the cool stuff that you did but I watched this video a little while ago about how when you you're not actually doing it is what you're saying right you're not in the moment and there's another there's another element there's a study that was done on people that take photos and when you take a photo of a place or an experience the brain drowns out most of the other sensory information and actually focuses more on the visual so it's good not only that you have a record of it but it also focuses your attention in sort of a sensorial aspect down onto the visual the problem is most of the things that you feel about an experience are outside of just the visual oh it's the smell yeah of the of the guy smoking his cigarette down the street from the Vatican and it's the the sound of the street it's so much more immersive so yeah you know long story short you're right and I think that a lot of people take way more away from shows than the creators do but the creators get to take at as close to the audience as I think with pretty much any other art form because remember it's their curiosity that's driving forward it's less performative than playing songs it's less performative than doing YouTube and on top of that the price that you have to pay in order to do it it's on your terms it's your uh publish schedule like yeah it's aggressive and there's [ __ ] tons and tons and tons and tons of work to do but I think of if you were to pick something out of the ecosystem it's the one that's sort of the most holistic but it's also the one that's the least viral which is why a lot of people don't do it yeah I mean they or they don't do it to your level because it takes a while and you got you know there's luck there's Talent there's a bunch of things that come into play as well yeah well you've pivoted right you've changed the style of content that you do as well and I think yeah that was a risk um but it was ultimately an important thing for me to do to try and Branch out and do different things because I'm if people are attracted to myself as a Creator then they have to be attracted to actually me and I don't want to uh do you know this this audience capture thing um that would just I think would ruin me here's an interesting question do you think that Philip DeFranco is audience captured uh yes but he again he is repor in so the variability of all of his reports um but he does much more so now he adds in a little bit of his own life he talks about he one time he talked about his weight loss uh he he's talked about you know even when he talks about his merch and like the the importance that it means to him it's still like part of him yeah it's uh the ultimate audience capture which your boy wrote about uh Ginder G um he wrote about nikocado avocado that is that article I actually pulled up on my friend's podcast the other day I just was on his podcast talking about audience capture and he defined it perfectly and the way that he described uh nicacado was as Nicholas Perry the violinist veganist uh and then it obviously he turns into this Glutton because He follows his audience capture so ultimately we do we are captured a little bit by our audience and that's okay okay you have to perform and you have to provide a good entertainment service it cannot just be simply for yourself but at the same time you do have to take risks and you do have to do things that not many people are doing I I've noticed your risks that you take that you think aren't risks but they genuinely are like um you will spend thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars for production yeah bringing Sam Harrison was one of the biggest risks that I've had recently which is so crazy to say like but he just has such a vehement group of people on the internet that really really don't like him and I've said it [ __ ] bunch of times after the episode I had so much fun recording that podcast I was like caught myself at least twice grinning like an idiot when I knew that the camera was on him just really really enjoying it and being like this is fun this is super fun and I love experiences like that man like that is that's what it's really about any performance once you get into that groove of being like oh [ __ ] this is amazing this is what I this is why I love doing what I do so I just made a video uh at the CrossFit games where I'm lifting with two guys two other uh at the Wall Street weightlift one yep everyone should go and check that out on Zach Channel yeah and I've got I haven't gotten more comments from people being like this is your best video I have ever seen they're they're probably newer viewers I have some really good ones from like the past five years but the reason the real reason why was dude we were having a [ __ ] blast I was laughing smiling like it was I'm getting the chills thinking about it I was like this is why I do what I do yeah and it can't always be like that but when it is and you capture it it's like that's why we do it and it makes you feel so good hell yeah where should people go they want to check out more of your stuff go to uh just search z z k space t e l and e r and the search search bar or you can go to youtube.com/ zacker uh coach ZT is my Instagram and then if you would like some programming if you want to get a stronger squat you want to get generally strong or if you want to go into weightlifting Olympic weightlifting which I highly suggest you can go to patreon.com Zack telander and if you want to listen to some banging Tunes search for telander on Spotify oh yeah I've got some stuff coming out so yeah all right man let's go to the Soho house I'm hungry all right all right bye bye if you enjoyed episode then press here for a selection of the best clips from the podcast over the last few weeks and don't forget to [Music] subscribe