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The video transcript centers on a theological discussion regarding the doctrine of the Trinity, specifically addressing whether the Bible clearly supports the belief that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct yet one God. One participant argues that while scripture explicitly identifies Jesus as God, the Holy Spirit as God, and the Father as God, the concept of them being three persons in one essence is difficult to grasp logically. This individual expresses frustration with the mathematical implication of "three and one," feeling that it defies common sense where three distinct entities usually equal three, not one. Despite this confusion, they acknowledge that their disagreement lies primarily with the terminology rather than the core concept, admitting that they agree Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is God, even if they struggle to reconcile these identities into a single mathematical unit.
To illustrate the complexity of divine nature, the speaker uses the analogy of trying to explain unique greatness to children, comparing it to telling them that no one else is like Michael Jordan or LeBron James; just as fans trust their heroes without fully understanding every aspect of their genius, believers are encouraged to trust God's nature even when human logic cannot fully comprehend it. The discussion highlights that the Trinity was historically an attempt by early church fathers to explain a mystical relationship that seems unidentifiable to human reason. The speaker suggests that the inability to fully articulate this doctrine has often been used as a weakness against Christianity, yet they maintain that the concept itself is sound even if the specific word "Trinity" feels unnecessary or confusing to some listeners who prefer terms like "Godhead."
The conversation shifts to specific biblical texts, such as Zechariah 12:10 and Deuteronomy 6:4, which are examined for evidence of Trinitarian themes. In Zechariah, God speaks of pouring out His spirit while also saying that people will look upon Him whom they have pierced, creating a distinction between the one speaking (God the Father), the spirit being poured out (the Holy Spirit), and the one pierced (Jesus). Similarly, the speaker points to the Hebrew grammar in Deuteronomy where "our God" uses a plural form of the divine name while affirming oneness, suggesting that the language itself hints at plurality within unity. However, the interlocutor admits they are not a scholar of Hebrew or Greek and finds these linguistic arguments difficult to follow, ultimately concluding that the confusion stems from trying to describe the indescribable nature of God with limited human vocabulary.
Ultimately, the dialogue concludes with a resolution to separate the concept from the specific terminology that causes friction. The participants agree that if someone accepts the reality that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God yet distinct persons, they are essentially agreeing with the doctrine of the Trinity regardless of whether they like the word itself. The speaker emphasizes that the Bible attempts to describe something that is inherently unknowable in its fullness, and therefore, believers should not let linguistic preferences hinder their faith. By focusing on the underlying truth rather than the verbiage, the discussion ends on a note of acceptance, acknowledging that while the world claims there is no such thing as a Trinity, those who believe understand the concept even if they struggle with the exact phrasing used to describe it.
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See, you think you think that's one of
the better Trinitarian in Texas, but
it's really not.
>> It's not. Well, I didn't say it's the
best, but it's not.
>> It's really not.
>> You don't think it's a good one?
>> Nah.
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>> What makes you believe in the Trinity?
>> Well,
>> can I ask Can I ask you that? Because I
believe the Bible is clear that Jesus is
God.
>> Right.
>> Amen.
>> I believe the Bible is clear that the
Holy Spirit is God.
>> Amen.
>> And clearly God the Father is God.
>> Amen.
>> So that that's where they are of the
same. Right.
>> Amen.
>> I also believe they are distinct. No viv
no more vivid example than Jesus being
baptized and the father speaking and the
holy spirit coming down or when Jesus is
saying that I I desired that they would
be like you and I as one for you have he
says he says that you and I are one but
then he says that you have loved me
before the foundation so I've all so
he's always been the son he's always
loved him there's a distinction
but you and I are one this is John
Exactly. Yep. So, so and then we can say
this [snorts]
um
Zechariah 12:10,
God Yahweh is speaking and he says that
I
um will pour out my spirit upon them, my
spirit,
and they will look upon me.
Um and they and then he says whom
[snorts] they have pierced
and he goes from me to matter of fact
let me put that on the screen. So so
this is one of the better
>> one of the better trinitarian texts
right there. Zechariah
>> see you think you think that's one of
the better trinitarian textes but it's
really not.
>> It's not well I didn't say it's the best
but it's really not.
>> You don't think it's a good one?
>> Nah.
>> Why?
>> Nah.
>> Okay. Because
there
the God of the Old Testament is letting
the people know that it is I who he is.
Because the one thing the trinitarians
say, they say that there's a separation
between who God is and what God is. At
least from what what I understand.
And listen, I get it. I get it. I get
it. Because as you read through the
Bible, you can read about obviously God
the Father, Yahweh, you know, Elellion,
you know, the most high God, uh, Yahweh
Eleon, and and then, you know, these
different things, right? And then right
there, God is going to tell you who he
is and what they did to him in no
uncertain terms.
And there is something about the Holy
Spirit and the Holy Ghost and and and
it's not all it's not it's not clearly
mapped out. And the Trinity by the uh
old uh uh uh church quote unquote
fathers was an attempt to explain this
mystical unidentifiable relationship
that we couldn't quite put our finger
on. And it added up to Trinity. But let
me tell you this. I'mma tell you this. I
believe that the trinity and the
doctrine and
the inability to really get through it
is something that has been a detriment
to uh the building of the body
throughout history and used as something
to point to against this sound, logical
and strong doctrine. Because when you
say three and one, people say, "What are
you saying? Three gods?" You know, I'm
saying, you know, he's three, but he's
one. And in every other class or
situation, if we communicate, we going
to know that that DON'T MAKE SENSE.
WE GOING TO KNOW THAT. BUT HERE WE GET
to the trinity and all of a sudden we
make one three and make 31. No, that's
not how that works. And I I think and
this this is my limited understanding
and I'm praying to God to increase my
understanding and my wisdom. I think the
problem is mathematics.
I think the problem is mathematics. Now,
I don't know what you know about math.
And we I want to get to that text that
you was going to pull out where where
where God tells the people that he that
Yahweh tells them it's going to be me
that you pierce me Yahweh that you
pierce. Um,
do you not know that if you take
infinity
as a concept if do you not know if you
give somebody or if somebody has 1% of
that infinity that 1% is also infinity?
Did you know that?
>> No, I have no idea what you're talking
about now. You're losing me. Be honest
with you. You're losing me.
>> Okay. I I I know I lost you. I I Yeah, I
lost you. I lost you. We ain't going to
go there. But let's go to the text.
Okay,
>> let's go to the text.
>> So in this text, God
>> Yes.
>> I will pour out on the house of David
and the inhabitants of Jerusalem the
spirit of grace. It's the Holy Spirit,
right?
>> So that they will look so that so that
they will look on me. So they're going
to look on me. That's God whom they have
pierced.
>> Yes.
>> Isn't that Jesus?
>> Yeah.
>> All right. And they will mourn for
>> And they will mourn for me. Is that what
it says?
Yes.
>> No. It says they'll mourn for him.
>> Who's the him?
>> Oh, sorry. I couldn't see it.
>> Yeah. So, they they will mourn for him.
>> The him is the me,
>> right? Ain't that something?
>> So, who's the him? Jesus. But who's the
me? God. Yahweh.
>> Ain't that something? And then you got
the spirit of grace.
>> So, wait a minute. You said you said
that's not a good verse to prove the
Trinity.
>> No, it's not.
>> No. Uh-uh. [laughter]
>> No.
>> You just said it.
>> You know, you know what? You Now listen.
You know what would be a good verse to
prove the Trinity?
>> What?
>> If anywhere in scripture
and and our heavenly father had ample
opportunity to describe himself in that
way if he wanted to. And I know that you
can point to those different things that
you just pointed to in that scripture.
And I know that the Father is God. I
know that Jesus is God. And I know that
the Holy Spirit is God.
But I just can't roll with the Trinity.
I don't I don't I don't know where I
fall as far as with that. You know what
I'm saying? But but but I know the one
and three, three and one just ain't it a
it ain't it ain't jing to me. Why?
>> You know what I mean? Because
>> you just told me that you agreed that
Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God and
God the Father is God.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I know.
>> So, they're all the same in that in that
in that way. They're all the same God.
>> Yes.
>> But they're all distinct.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> You believe they're all distinct?
>> Yes.
>> Okay then. That's the trinity.
>> Yes.
>> That's a trinity. Maybe you don't like
the word trinity. Fine. But you like the
concept. You agree with the concept?
>> I don't I don't like that. We we we we
we could we could we could go with with
what some uh uh more recently I hear uh
uh speakers and preachers they use
godhead because Godhead is at least a
biblical description of what it is that
we're talking about. I think that word
trinity is an unnecessary word. And I
think
>> we're not talking about the word. We're
talking about the concept though.
>> We're talking about the concept though.
which which you just said you agreed
with.
>> Okay.
>> You just said you agreed with this. So
>> So if you agree with it, forget what
they call it. You know what they mean by
the word trinity. You know exactly what
we mean by the trinity cuz you just
agreed with it.
>> I know. I just I just I just can't get
past I just can't get past here. Oh
Israel, the Lord our God is one.
>> The Lord our God, O Israel. So the Lord
Okay. So even in that passage we see
something trinitarian in it. Let me go
to that. Let me give you another passage
also. Um
>> okay
>> Deuteronomy
64
here. O Israel, the Lord our God is one.
Now I need you to look on the screen.
Hero, O Israel. Okay,
>> the Lord Yahweh our God.
Uh oh, there it is. Our God Elhinu,
this is the plural form.
Our God elu, which is plural, is one.
>> Well, isn't is it isn't Hold on. Let me
ask you this. I'm not a Hebrew nor a
Greek scholar. I'm a machine operator.
All right.
>> But isn't isn't the the the word for God
there, isn't that plural? Because the R
is plural according to the rules of
Hebrew. I'm mistaken there.
>> Well, no. According to the rules of our
>> according to the rules of Hebrew
>> our
>> according to the rules of Hebrew.
>> Hold on. Hold on. According to the rules
of Hebrew, we would use the plural to to
to
spoke focus on or speak of three or
more. There's three ways that you can
number in Hebrew. You can you can do the
singular. You can use the dual
>> which which ends in a i sound.
>> So so like susai would be two horses.
>> Uh susim would be three or more horses.
So Elohim or in this case elanu would be
a plurality.
>> So it says uh in
>> a plurality because the hour the o you r
in English we're plural.
>> There there is no hour here though.
in the in the uh Hebrew
>> there is no hour here. Yahweh Elohu
Yahweh a which is um the the Lord.
>> Now it says our God in English but the
hour I'm sorry I take it back. I'm
sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. New is our
>> Okay.
>> What what it is is it's a plural it's
it's it's it's a it's a pre a suffix
>> speaking about us.
>> But the hour has nothing to do with God.
The hour is us,
[clears throat]
>> right?
>> So it's not like it's not like in
Genesis, let us make man in our image.
No, in this case is Yahweh Elohinu,
which is uh Yahweh God, our
uh Yahweh EAD one. So Yah so so Yahweh
is one. Now let me give you another
passage. I want I want you read this
passage.
This is Isaiah 48.
>> Let me read this text to you.
Come near to me.
>> I heard you go over this before.
>> This is God speaking. This is God
speaking. Yahweh.
>> Come near to me.
>> Right.
>> Listen to this. From the first I have
not spoken in secret. From the time it
took place, I was there. And now the
Lord God
has sent me
and his spirit.
Wait a second.
This is God speaking, but the Lord God
has sent God
>> and he's sending his spirit.
>> So God,
the problem is you you ain't never seen
anybody like him. And so you're trying
to figure out why why [laughter] God
doesn't make sense, right? Well, cuz
he's God. You don't know anybody like
God. Have you ever Have you ever uh
tried to talk to young folks about
Michael Jordan?
>> Yes, I have.
>> And they listen y'all. Y I ain't seen
nobody like him.
>> I'm having fun now.
>> Yeah,
>> LeBron and they they all right. So So
trying to explain I'm having fun y'all.
Y'all forgive me. But trying to explain
God is difficult,
>> especially to us. So, it's almost like
you telling your children,
>> you got a fouryear-old or 5-year-old
something complicated trying to get him
to understand. He can't.
>> But you know what he does?
>> You know what he does? He trusts it. So,
my grandchildren,
>> right,
>> will know that pop works or pop does
this.
>> They don't understand everything, but
they trust what I do. So, one one of the
things that happens and we're going to
go ahead and uh close, but one of the
things that happens is listen what he
said. He believes what we believe is
just the name. So, how this works,
ladies and gentlemen, is
I am buying in to some of the lies that
the world is saying that there is that
there is no such thing as a trinity.
Okay? There's no word of trinity in the
Bible. And and by the way, the concept
is confusing,
but she but he understands the concept.
Everything that we believe about the
Trinity, we understand. I mean, he he
believes agrees with. So, he's good.
It's just the words, the verbiage. Don't
let that hold you up cuz we're trying to
describe the undescribable. He is
unscrutable, which or inscrutable, which
is unknowable. We can't we cannot
completely know him.
>> Amen. No, he did. He did. He He learned
something. He did. He did. But what he's
finding out is that the verbiage is not
what he likes. The verbiage is not what
Forget Forget the word Trinity then. If
you don't like the word Trinity, but you
agree with the concept, yeah, I agree
with that, then you're good. You're
good. Amen.
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