We Need To Talk

we're starting off strong i have beef with you because every single time that we start a podcast you want to correct my shot okay what did you hire me to do okay i'm here to help you produce this podcast in the best possible highest caliber ever we're the best we're the number one boxes sick and tired of you getting over to my camera over there and saying alex no it needs to be two millimeters to the left but it's not good okay objectively it's a bad shot so i have to fix it i disagree with it and if the few times where we've let you have full control without doing anything we look at it and we see him post like why are we all like yellow out of context you guys you guys can't see it because it's always before we hit record on these podcasts but every single time we'll have a guest right there some person we haven't even met yet usually and alex and graham will be bickering the entire time about one camera angle that one specifically no sometimes it's this one sometimes it's mostly that yeah mostly mostly though that's my beef with you right now look i agree with you it is why we hired you but then again the most important thing is just at the end of the day the angles are set right and if that means that you guys have to bicker a little bit or maybe graham has to tweak your angle or you tweak graham's angle the thing is you can just start it alex and he perfects it he puts his spice on it yeah he gets 95 of the way that extra five percent i was like dude like i gotta move it like that yeah that's all it is you know what guys welcome back to the iced coffee hour okay we're we're happy to have you thanks for tuning in let me do the intro better hold on hold on let's go over there i want to see your intro that was a joke that was joke welcome back to the iced coffee hour we got a very uh interesting episode today we wanted to hop on and talk to you guys about some stuff uh uh number one jack you wanted to bring this up and i think we should address it we should address it to do right by our viewers yes so we had the tech lead on our podcast this last sunday and it was met with a lot of criticism so people were basically saying that we shouldn't have had him on because he's a controversial person and due to his actions like people can't respect him and therefore they cannot respect us for bringing him on um and we figured we should just have an open discussion about it to do right by our viewers and not sweep it under the rug and act like it didn't happen yeah there was a part there where we posted it and we knew that tech lead was controversial to begin with and even when we were talking about it tech lead even was like yo i'm controversial uh i don't i don't want to get you guys in trouble we and we told them like hey listen as long as you're okay with us asking you tough questions i would be okay with it because we could at least address these these things you're controversial for a reason can we talk about those reasons get to the bottom of it um we wouldn't have had him on had we not been able to discuss the you know that caveat yes and he was open with us he's like you could ask us anything you want to we could record it and i think uh i guess number one we could have been tougher with our questions yes and it's it's difficult in person because when you see someone in person it's i i guess i i'm nice i'm like i don't like i try my best to be like confrontational and like to put people on the spot but like deep down i'm just friendly i don't know like it's yeah it's it's just tough i'm working on i'm working but i do think in the future look here's the thing we do this podcast for you guys we do it for the viewers and if you want us to bring on sometimes people with opposing viewpoints people that you don't agree with controversial people um let us know and we can continue doing that on occasion one maybe one out of every 15 episodes if you don't want that at all and just want us to disassociate with those types of people we will 100 heed that it's just whatever the group thinks obviously there will be people saying yes there will be people saying no but whatever for a vast majority of you guys think we will 100 do that because at the end of the day we do the podcast to entertain and educate you guys yeah it is it is tough because there's that balance between if we have somebody on we give them exposure is that the right person to be giving exposure and is you know even if we present it with you know a confrontation we ask these questions are those the right questions to ask um i think we're still figuring that out and we're trying our best but we also acknowledge that we're not perfect and uh it's a learning process for us i want to do my best and speak out more too because there's a lot of situations first of all i love debating i i'll sometimes disagree with people just to debate like my camera angles you know but i was right in that case but you know and uh sometimes i feel like uh you guys always tell me this off camera like alex if you have something to say but in like i never do because sometimes i feel like you know i'll kind of stop the flow uh but i feel like i also have to do a better job of that too because um every time that i've butted heads with somebody i feel like it's been good so um and who doesn't like to see like like you guys said a healthy argument is fantastic yeah who doesn't like to see opposing viewpoints and um i think it gives people more to choose from or more you know mental food and one thing for certain if we do bring on a controversial guest we are usually we are always aware that they are controversial we can do it right by you guys to make sure that we do ask the hardball questions the actual the and confront them yeah you know what we could do would be better you could add me on instagram now now i i i going somewhere with this you you add me on instagram at gpstefan okay when we are having somebody on the podcast we could open up the discussion and have you guys ask the questions i would love that so that way it's like hey we're having so-and-so on what do you want to ask yeah also read off this question add me on instagram because i want more followers and more clout yeah at jls s-e-m-b that brings me to a good example so thank you guys so much for watching that's it that's the iced coffee hour underscore photography i need a better handle so uh but yeah great point graham yeah so that's it we just figured we would address it to do right by you guys and not sweep it under the rug and act like it didn't happen it was a very challenging podcast for us to film and uh we hope that you guys appreciate the transparency and honesty yeah now speaking of transparency and honesty jack yeah you've got a new uh assistant that you gotta yes your assistant yes you replaced me no so you know everything there's more people than i do i said it's so weird so i currently have two uh contractors working for me he's very specific about that one that's true they're not there it is true as as per law like you can look at the agreement that we have variable you know anyways that's that's into the week so i have uh a personal assistant his name is jj and i recently hired him and he's been helping me out with a lot of the house stuff that's been going on a lot of production for the videos just random stuff that comes up where i feel like it takes my mind off of the things where i should be spending my my energy productions for what videos productions for my videos and also sometimes the iced coffee one video that you posted in like three months two videos actually in four months but also yeah i think that it's great and you know he gets experience and i get experience managing someone and it's been really good he's you know for example i um you know this but i i have an airbnb at my house now uh oh yeah actually maybe should i be saying this publicly because i don't know if i should be saying this yeah you should well i don't know if i want people just say it all right so i think you always charge more right i mean that's true people start booking it you just start trying yeah jack honestly you may want to like keep this sentence in it but if you charge up the wazoo 500 a nightly why not if someone wants to pay you 500 a night to come and hang out you know bring a tinder date into the pool with you so yeah though i mean that's it i have it i i rent out a room on airbnb it's funny because it's the downstairs room which actually it had a uh a lock on the outside so you could lock people in to the room that's the creepiest thing yeah jack told me about this i'm like you gotta remove the law yeah so why did why did anybody build one of those locks into a house to begin with that's a great question i don't have the answers until they punish their kids i think it might be because it's actually it's an actual lock i mean i'll throw up a photo right now of that lock but it's it's crazy with a chain and everything so i had to remove that before i started you know renting it out on airbnb i've had three guests stay it's actually very lucrative i set my price fairly high what was your price what are you charging so initially i was charging i think it was like 75 dollars a night plus a 15 cleaning fee uh funny cleaning fees on airbnb's by the way first of all just from the start it's just one room by the way yeah it's one room and to sign up for airbnb is one of the easiest things i think i've ever done in my entire life so they have like an application process but really all the application process is is you just submit five photos of your you know whatever dwelling it is and uh and that's it they approve you basically immediately and then you can base you could literally just have people going in there and you have a full-fledged business from there on you also tackle a cleaning fee on top of the base rate that you assign per night and the cleaning fee is shown different obviously in the listing it's like base rate plus cleaning fee and then your service fee and that's like what airbnb takes but the cleaning fee just literally gets rolled into your profit so you can set whatever cleaning fee you want you could do a 50 per night uh you know room rental and then you could do a 100 cleaning fee on top of that it's just like it's just advertising basically how do they break down that fee like do they take a certain percentage of the cleaning fee like can you make it like an old shipping ebay trick back in the no i'm sure that the the yeah the cleaning you keep a hundred percent of the candy yeah you split that like ten dollars that's a great question but i'm sure it's it's it's probably the same they're probably wise enough for that but yeah my cleaning fee is fifteen dollars are you the one clear jj is that does he get the 15 so jj i just pay him base per project uh so he cleans up after the airbnb but it's been great i've had three guests so far uh they've all been really nice and uh it's profitable it's incredibly profitable check i'd put it up for like 300 a night what if i rented out my office can i rent out a couch is it can i put that on airbnb i think so yeah probably i think so you need to select what type of residence or dwelling it is and like i think the smallest you can go is like a private room in a residence but you might be able to do a couch maybe well technically i could have that be a private room i just go in there but then i can't get work done yeah you know but it's been great it's incredibly profitable so if you have a house and you have an extra room airbnb is a fantastic way to not have people staying in there 24 7. you could select four or five nights a month if you just want a little bit of side income the application process is incredibly easy and it's very easy oh one other thing jack i want to ask you you were talking a while ago about walking a hundred or was it it was 300 miles you wanted 300 miles las vegas to los angeles yeah it was at los angeles las vegas 300 miles and i talked you down from that 100 miles and you did it and i did it but yeah i had not posted a video about it the issue was that it's seven hours of raw footage and also it's raw footage of a video that i've never edited anything like this before because it's like an in real life type thing where you have to like use all of these generators and all this stuff and i also hired out an editor because i realized it's honestly it's beyond me like i could edit it but i i just it would take so much time that's it i mean the walk was it was probably one of the hardest things i've ever done physically it was definitely the hardest thing i've ever done uh my feet were completely blistered i'm still not completely healed from that like on my heels there's still skin like peeling off and that was two months ago yes certainly yeah it was worth it i would edit the video yourself because you know the exciting points to hire an editor to go through seven hours of footage and pick what they think is exciting i would know the thing is though i got him to chop it down from seven hours to like 40 minutes and then from there i'm gonna have a lot more control i just wanted the daunting task of looking at a seven hour timeline and then bringing that down to like 40 45 minutes and i told him to be very conservative with what he cuts out and then from there i'm very hands-on hey do this edit right here do this edit right here this is what i wanted to look like and he just gets it done i think what would make you a better videographer would be for you to edit it because i'm not a videographer you're filming youtube videos you're from being a videographer you're a videographer to a degree because here's the thing when i first shot weddings i came home with like so many images and i learned that i was overshooting if you took the time to go through that edit yourself and you learn okay why did i film that that was kind of pointless this was good then you would learn what not to waste your time on i've edited plenty of youtube videos i've edited yourself said that you've never edited something like this that's true and i did try to edit it but every single time i was just overwhelmed by a seven hour timeline and i'm like you know what so you guys quit every time it gets a little hard jack come on dude i walked for six days 100 miles seven hours yeah you walked 100 miles man you can handle that it was also really challenging looking through those seven hours of like something that i it was six days of my time you know what i mean and like re-watching all that like remembering all the feeling that i had and like the the stress and the i don't know how hard it was it was difficult as well what'd you do today jack i'm curious me today yeah what'd you do okay uh minute by minute jack yeah like what time you wake up i woke up so late today i woke up today probably 9 30. okay i got up late and then i had coffee i played probably three games of ping pong with my housemate and then i went upstairs and i uh i edited uh i started editing my next video and then also after that uh i had a call with someone that lasted probably 30 or so minutes about our tick tock strategy because we're now posting tick tocks of the iced coffee hour and also i had a meeting with my accountant after that i worked out after that i played a little bit more ping pong after that and uh i think i'd i probably spent like 20 or 15 minutes thinking about different topics for this podcast um so we got an hour we got under an hour work done for like the business itself yeah i would say but i still have stuff to do later tonight because i have to review the episode that's going up tomorrow for the graham stuffing show okay two hours yeah oh so i reviewed a script for for the iced coffee hour sponsor okay yeah two and a half yeah so what's your what's your problem with that just uh i'm curious what would happen if you if you gave four hours you know four hours during the week how how much how much we can improve channel iced coffee hour but it's the one thing you've you've never done this and i keep asking send oh you know what you did steve the steep will do at house tour you sent me this evil that was i thought it was a good idea that was it that was a good video the problem is graham pass these two the reason why it's been hard for me to stay motivated to be completely honest and transparent and something i've been realizing lately is because i'm at a point right now where since i have hired stuff out it's very easy to just maintain and any work that i do on top of what i'm doing right now it's extremely like diminished utility like there's honestly it wouldn't do a lot it's like yeah maybe i'll pick out a few other second channel videos to do maybe like like the sponsors are already completely filled out i have someone that writes the scripts i check the scripts we film the scripts we get those up we have a podcast episode i make sure of that i have a huge list of people that we have to reach out to or that we did reach out to there's honestly there's not much more i have to review second channel videos after they get that takes a little bit but i think it frees up your mind to think of bigger ideas now i agree because you've got the everything else taken care of what's the next step i agree bigger ideas and i think the bigger idea is we need to put shorts on this channel i think the tick tocks are but that's exactly what i did today that's exactly what i did today so it's like we have not posted a short on this channel though yeah i know but that's also because i'm waiting for a really good one to be posted on um the tick tock which actually got posted today if you no yesterday if you haven't noticed a million views oh we need to post more of those i know that's that's why that was another michael reeves once we have in the pipeline uh i told him that i want a lot more yeah so that was when i told him five to six i agree to think that i'm just taking it like you know like i think it's a lot of ping pong i all i'm trying to say is that's a lot of ping pong yeah it's a better ping pong than wasting my time away on tick tock or watching like pointless youtube videos okay and youtube videos could be great because it gives you ideas for other videos to react to like patrick cc that's not going to get me i wouldn't want i would click that that's why i said pointless you know why would you even click the one videos that i've been clicking on is bad is the uh the car accidents videos oh no the car accidents compilations and it's one of those things where i clicked on one just out of morbid curiosity and they're not like you know gruesome car accidents or anything it's like the ones where you like see a car and there's you know you're just like the guy's not paying attention and like you know the stuff like that they're doing stupid stuff it's nothing gruesome but anyway you click on one of those and just constantly get them recommended they're like eight minutes long and it's just those are the time wasters i get nothing from this i also feel like you don't need to uh i'm not in the same mindset as graham like that that you need to work 24 7. i'm not saying that you shouldn't add more work but i i think that you're a different you have a different approach to life i i agree to a certain extent it's like there were periods of time in my life where my life was work for example when i was living in santa monica and i didn't really hang out with people they were but the thing is things are completely different now than they were in santa monica in santa monica like like i said i was structuring out every single podcast i was editing every single second here too yeah so it's like to compare those times to now where it's like yeah things are cash flowing like they're successful businesses now and for to expect me to continue like like like it's not like my actionable like things i can do will actually make as much of an impact as they could in santa monica and i think that demotivates me so i'm trying to find something where i can like go all in on and here's the thing it doesn't make me happy to to be feel like i'm not necessarily needed in these things because i've built up these systems to automate them like jj like andrew who who edits for me it's like it it doesn't make me happy knowing that at the end of the day i look back and i'm like well what did i do i reviewed a video oh i filmed some scripts with with alex and made this amount of money it's not that great i don't like it why did you stop the vlog i just got tired of it it got boring you have to be honest uh no i don't think i got boring i just i got sick of filming it i got sick of having to be like here's my one day off my one afternoon oh we gotta film the vlog and force ourselves to do something that's why i got no no but you originally were like no we don't have to do anything special it could just be whatever i'm doing that day and then through and for an entire month they did three a week with whatever i was doing that day and he did so well that's because it was new if you don't have anything different the videos did just as well the videos were doing just as well three weeks into doing three videos a week i think it was getting very repetitive i but the views say otherwise i mean the views were just as good chuck what do you think i wasn't as interested in those videos i do think that there were more views because it was new and i think that people liked just the consistency in their schedule that they know that they can tune in three times a week to something where they just put it on in the background and you know listen to it um but i i was much more excited for the vlogs when there was more stuff going on and when we actually went out of our way to do something for the vlog i think that those were better vlogs and i i stopped watching graham stefan after hours when you were doing three times a week i just wouldn't watch it it's funny i felt the opposite i felt i hated the vlogs and we were doing stuff like i i thought it was fun to go to the grand canyon and do this stuff i hated filming it i just like it took me out of the moment to be like oh i gotta be on camera it's just could not i do feel that too because i i mean obviously i was on on camera too but yeah guys what could i do better be honest please i think like your your perspective when it comes to like giving us your opinion on something sometimes i'm worried that you try to tell us what we want to hear and when you go against us you do it to show that you can go against us i disagree with that go ahead uh no i agree with jack in the first part i don't know quite what you meant about showing us that you can go against i thought the speaking up thing is a is a good one that's that's a good suggestion um alex you've gotten a lot better at being uh time efficient the editing to the last few videos that alex has edited i would say are almost perfect i mean i was as perfect as you could get them showing it to me like obviously we watch it and we're like oh we could cut this out otherwise the video is perfect um so i can't i can't get you on editing because the editing is you got that down uh well let's let's address jack's point i guess real quick i don't understand what you mean because i'm very outspoken about my opinion and with everything so i'm surprised that you think that because if i truly don't like something i i'm very honest about regardless of who cares i'm surprised that you think that it's just something i don't know sometimes like i have experiences in the past where like we'll show you something and then you'll go again you'll you'll go against it immediately because you want to provide some sort of like contrarian perspective but then maybe graham and i will actually think that it's like very good and we'll like reason with you and then like a flip of a switch you're like oh you know actually it's good so that's it you know like maybe that isn't the case but for me i remember in the beginning it was a little challenging for me to honestly provide graham with some honest feedback sometimes because you know i really respected graham and i didn't want him to think poorly of me but it was really just through the growth of like being friends with graham that made it a lot easier i agree becoming friends with graham makes it a lot easier to communicate it's so weird because if you like if i envision myself having conversations with you six months ago versus now it's like so different yeah alex talks back to me sometimes but sometimes it's funny yeah it's funny sometimes it's fun sometimes alice i don't have time for that that's what that's when i get like first of all that's not time that's not talking back that's me being honest with you there were some times where i i think there's one time where i knew you were editing a millennial money podcast and our agreement was like you could do the millennial podcast as long as it doesn't interfere with the main channel everything else because that's like that's the priority and when i asked alex to get to like i checked and like can you get this done but also the same quality for the main channel the next day and i said i don't know if i have time for that i'm like i'd rather you not tell me just do it because because you do have time you'll find time there is time and he's like well i'd rather just be honest with you i'm like no you don't have to be honest yeah i was trying to i was trying to be transparent yeah i'm like no it's bad and you know what it turns out i banged it out and i came in and grabbed fine that was good it was a good video i was like thanks a mindset i'm like don't there's there's you don't tell me that just mentally you could think how am i going to get this you'll be fine yeah i will agree with uh with that point where i do have a really weird mindset and i think uh i've been trying to kind of you know think a little bit differently um just because i think sometimes i can be hesitant about things and i think that sometimes you pushing me like that helps so i'll keep pushing grams gram's good at pushing i will say that's one of his strengths as a boss he's very good at pushing you but one thing just to just to really you know take it home uh is that i think that for you graham you need to outsource you are wasting so much time and losing so much money doing the things that you do and for you to tell me that what i've done now to put myself in a position of having to work as few hours as i do is a bad thing i would i could not disagree more i think it's a fantastic thing and although it is difficult like i said for me when i'm lying when i'm lying in bed like thinking what did i do today and i'm bummed out because i didn't do a lot it's like i still now have like i want to do a lot more and i know that like this free time that i have spurs a lot of creativity which i think is really important at this point it's not about the actions that you do but it's about the decisions and choices that you make it doesn't have anything to do with your actions i hear a lot of buzz words jack alex romozy moses that's that's alex from rosie it's not about those little tasks that you do it's about the decisions that you make when you're heading this big of a business and still for you to be spending as much time as you do on the things that you're spending your time on it's a complete waste of time and i think you're losing a lot of money i don't know i take pride in those things like doing the thumbnails so are you doing it for pride or are you doing it because you think it's a smart financial or business thing to do both do it for pride and also i i think the thumbnails the planning obviously no one can replace me filming so i think those things i have a competitive edge because i'm in it so much and because it's my thing and it's my creation and it's like from what i've seen being immersed in it i think it you can't replicate that to the same degree yes you can you can do it better you don't want to replicate it you can do it way better why don't you take over the uh thumbnail for the podcast because it's the exact same thing every single time oh and i don't even have the background okay you don't have the background well also i do all the other stuff on the podcast so it makes sense that you you handle the podcast why don't you do channel thumbnail then podcast because i do with other things let me talk to you guys let me talk to you guys through a dilemma i'm having maybe you guys can give me some guidance here um so for the last i had a conversation with graham maybe two months ago and i was like graham what can i focus on and he said alex you just gotta get the edits down and i took that to heart even though it took like two or three conversations with graham i'm not gonna lie but i think i finally like i'm at a place where i'm like okay like i'm harnessing i got got it down but now i'm looking at what i'm doing and i feel like there's no scalability in what i'm doing what do you think is that for me or jack both of you probably ask jack because we've talked about this so often yeah i agree i mean editing three main channel videos there's no scalability and i told graham when i first did this i was like i don't mind doing this for for a while you know it could be year could be two years could be whatever but i don't see a scalability on this and now i'm thinking to myself well what do i do i think and and i don't know if i'm going straight here you guys yeah i wanted your honest advice as you know friends and as as business people i could focus my hours that outside of editing because i i can't outsource my editing graham doesn't like it and you can't it doesn't make sense no why don't give them ideas no if i were you i would find someone else that can do an even better job no i would tell graham you'd have to no and not telegram until no that's the thing i would find someone that can do the exact same edits at a cheaper price you oversee that you take the spread can just hire them directly it's not getting watered down it's the same product it's the same exact final result someone could even do it better than alex and that's the thing you were not a believer you said that you should be editing your main channel videos for the until the end of time and then you hired alex and it was hard i remember it was hard when you were training alex but now think about the time that you have it's taken it's taken six months to get alex to the point where he could edit a full video or where there's no real revision but that's also due to your particular person yes i know but particularly slide i'm not gonna let anything but now is it worth it yes i would say this i sometimes don't find myself any more productive is there anything wrong with that i'm spending more time planning but it's also more challenging your plans it's hard to say because there's less going on in the market so i need to be i i need to put double the effort planning videos when there's nothing going on a year ago this was easy when every day there was a new event new event new event yeah but you have a you have a bigger roi on your time spent planning versus time spent editing true so i think it was a great decision and you didn't believe it at first and i was telling you over and over benefits sometimes is that when i do plan i zone out it's like that is because because now there's no zone out time flies like that yeah yeah i can't i can't like finish filming and be like all right back to planning there's that like three hour space where sometimes when i would edit your mind just goes away and you kind of get in that creative zone and bang out a video and then afterwards you're like ah yeah but there's always a solution to every problem there's a solution and you can find some some other way to spend that time yeah no like i'm not even joking like i'm i'm using it as a metaphor like the reef tank i have tinker with her if you wanted to you can spend that time doing something else you found a solution to that problem a new a new problem came up but you can find solution that and it will only get better it's hard because what i'm doing is working so well it's working i mean when you look objectively it worked so what if it works well if you want with your logic with what i'm doing it can always work better right and i'm using your own logic that used it on me guys let's circle back around back to me yeah you know so now i'm looking at the time outside of editing what do you want to do alex you tell us so no so that's what so that's what i'm i'm looking at and i don't want to spread myself i feel like um maybe a month ago i was i had all these ideas but i feel like if i do too much i'm going to spread myself too thin so i don't want to because i was like well i could scale if i start shooting weddings again and stuff and i do all this stuff i could i could do that and i could scale that but then i'm like yeah but then you know i'm gonna have to edit during the week uh which is fine um i just want more control over it so i'm like what can i do outside of my editing time that is actually scalable because let's be honest the the stuff that i'm doing for grab i cannot scale that income i can do other things for you to scale the income i would agree with that uh but what do you guys think my time is the best spent doing i could make uh you know i i told graham i wanted to make it like a photography course he was kind of iffy on that i could do i could do more content that i like to make for myself i mean i could i could do my wedding business and uh not run not do the actual events myself i could outsource that but it sounds like the question you should be asking yourself because you talked about youtube it's like are you it's not like you were doing that that's more of a passion exactly so do you want to allocate your extra time towards a passion or do you want to allocate it towards something where you can scale your income that's the thing it's like exactly so i think you have to yeah alex no you can't use both you could start up the reef tank and make reef content so easy to do film for like 30 minutes i'm not gonna lie yeah after i found out okay so guys i'm getting a reef tank breaking news okay gambling money with gambling money i went out yeah i went out and i gambled with graham and jack they lost their money technically i lost half of my money with them and then on the way out to the car i just couldn't help myself i was itching i'm just kidding no i i decided to do the irresponsible thing i don't condone gambling irresponsibly and i put down money and i turned it basically within two days i turned it into about thirteen hundred dollars to so uh so uh instead of going and re-gambling that money i'm going to take it and i'm getting a reef aquarium yep i'd get the reef tank vlog it and so i love reef reef content people don't know but i grew up with a reef aquarium in my living room it was like andrew's our friend andrew it was just in our living room it was huge and my parents hated it but me and my brother loved it so the thing that baffles me is the fact that you just consistently win that gambling i know i how much have you made in profit because you have it you have a spreadsheet yes i have a spreadsheet my net profit including these gambling winnings is 3 900 wow 39 in one year i would just quit i mean wait if the irs is watching i mean um i lost thirty nine dollars i would just yeah i'd quit while you're ahead spend that towards the reef tank there's the next like a year yeah cause do you guys remember the first uh few months i was here i was basically living rent-free yeah because and you're playing blackjack no i'm playing blackjack it's not it's not a game of skill because you don't know how to connect no it's all purely luck like in the long term if i continue playing statistically i will lose money that's right and so quitting while i'm ahead getting the reef tank you know putting it in my house honestly if it were me i would never gamble again for the rest of your life put it towards three tank have a great time vlog it yeah well what about okay so you gave me a good idea of her passion vlog my reef tank vlog segment vlog the learning process or you know the learning process document that but what about the scalability of my income what would how much you told me in the very beginning you just want to make 60 or 70 grand granted he's like that's all i need to do no that's not what i said what do you say that's not what i said 80 grand no yeah you you don't recall what i said no i said honestly i was like i'm not sure exactly how much i want to make but off the top of my head i said um i've seen a lot of research that like the threshold for diminishing returns is like a hundred grand no it's not it's 70. yeah it's like 75. you told me that all you wanted to yeah like a certain amount and anything over that you're like i'm just happy with that yeah that was like 90 grand yeah exactly no it was not 90 grand yeah it was less it was less than that no it was not i guarantee you guys wait wait wait wait okay okay let's cut back into the oh wait we can finish this if you want but that regardless of of of that right i still want to build something that's scalable alex you no because you we even talked about this on the alex for a mosey podcast you wanted a certain amount of money you said after that that's all i want and that and that would make me happy you've hit that amount let's not confuse that i am happy yes i am not but you've reached that point with a schedule now that is extremely flexible where you've got it down you want to get this to muscle memory where it's just like you don't even have to think yeah you're doing it it's done but you've you've hit that amount so now the question becomes how much more money do you want to make is it about the money or is it about doing something that you enjoy you know i think at this point i got to do something you enjoy i think that's a great i guess that's great to make 20 grand more and you'll be like how can i make money you know what i think that's a great perspective coming from yeah i was like wait wait coming from honestly no but you you the phrasing was right because doing something you enjoy i know so many different opportunities to make more money and i think at the end of the day it's just what do you want to do pick that what opportunities have you given me the second channel when i was just like alex twice a week it's gonna take two to three times a week vlogging the clips channel you gotta post you cannot click your channel you cannot uh you cannot hold me back for for the vlog thing because i've told you about going specific directions trying things i was so restricted robert ducky's in the pool dude try it try it no i'm not doing it i'm not gonna do it but you never let me have like a freedom of that like we have between the thumbnails between some of the things that we've done there's a lot i would say no i would say no i mean like i added my own style to it but at the end of the day i the stuff that we were doing trivia the thing is you're you guys are arguing on different planes you're talking about creativeness and you're talking about uh money so like yeah your creativity best product we could yeah i know but your creativity was stunted on the podcast for sure because graham would you mean yeah sorry the vlog yeah but you could still made way more money had you found sponsors for every single episode and stuff like that so look i think what i said still holds true is that you just need to figure out do you want to spend your time doing a passion or do you want to spend it trying to find something where you can increase your income yeah so that's right and there's no there's nothing wrong with wanting to make more money i want to make sure i agree there's nothing and we're not accusing you of saying oh you know it doesn't matter but you have to figure out for yourself more money or passion me pick the passion do the reef tank with the vlog once a week on the block i don't think i wouldn't spend more than three hours on a vlog yeah honestly three hours a week reef take content pursue the passion i think that i i didn't realize i was at a point where i think i'm in a position where i think a lot of people don't ever get and that's to be able to do something that they're passionate about and i feel like maybe i've been taking that for granted yes enjoy it yeah does that make sense it does yeah yeah that was a good talk no i appreciate that so exciting news we got a new intern here harvey you want to come on in i'm all the way from london thank you alex all the way up thank you guys everything everything you say is sounds just very fancy yeah you sound smart man i don't really have it to me it doesn't seem like i have an accent but does it sound like we have accents to you strong yeah we are very very we have a very strong very strong very strong what if we talk in your accent so to me do you to you does that mean do you think i have a really strong accent yeah very strong but it sounds good it sounds like your voice booms man people always say american people think english accents are like something crazy and it's crazy yeah anyway welcome so how about this tell the viewers a little bit about yourself just it's a background my name is harvey heggs i'm 17. i'm the new an upcoming finance youtuber um but graham's giving me an opportunity and i'm here on the podcast you literally best podcast in the world yeah you flew uh 10 11 hours to fly down here yeah for three days now here's how crazy it is you sent me a cameo request yes that's right seven months ago six months ago just saying hey i want you to appear on my channel for like five minutes for an interview and i i don't know if i even responded to you and i think you messaged again i don't think i responded and then i think i said like hey sorry i'm not not interested like i appreciate the uh the consistency because you kept responding you just kept on me kept on me like would send like might be a view jack and that's and that's like some of it that actually i wonder if i could pull it up here yeah you could see all the messages i think it was like 20 26 at the beginning to send you yes yeah you did a cameo 4.99 um no actually no no because i turned on free messages and then you turn them free messages because because i didn't want you to because i knew it was a no and i was like i didn't want you to pay for this but anyway uh july 31st august 17th september 7th october 25th october 29th november 4th november 5th november 25th december 27th you just kept going kept going and then after a while i'm like you would not quit and i'm like well we got to give him something to do so i'm like to talk to jack just give this give it to you something like if you want to do something just get to have jack give you something to do yeah uh but you just we're so persistent and i forget what it was but eventually i i called you i think you just like i just wanna call or something like that and see what else i could do it's like okay fine called you you're so enthusiastic and i was like jack you just give him some more to do but anyway you would you would not quit you would not go away and so after a while i'm like oh and then this is where you started getting persistent about like i just want to come i got like spring break coming up uh for a week i just want to work i'll do anything you need to i just want to work and i was like oh yeah i don't know we're going to have the time and honestly i didn't know when we're going to have the time it's so last minute and you got like an 11 hour flight yeah and uh you were so persistent you're like how's monday i was like jack how's monday alex monday okay all right fine fine and uh but but the persistence yeah why were you that persistent well to take it all back to the beginning i think um i've always been like and then finance has never really been my i've never even thought about finance it was always like any bit of money i had designer clothes and then once it was like i had a bit of money from school for passing my exams and it was either this like lacoste bag or and then a video popped up of yours never seen it i think you're on like a million subscribers at the time watch the video and it just like because i've always been interested in money i've done like the typical we used to sit on the front and do sales of things in the fridge and stuff like that um so money's always been a thing but the money i've got i've just spent i've never really invested that was never really a thing for me i came across your video and it just just triggered something for me as i've done a bit more research and then i was just like i've just got a message this guy i started my own youtube thing as a little passion project and i was just like the main guy in the space and see if i can interview him and just see what it's about just really went headfirst in the whole thing do you ever feel embarrassed though like sending multiple messages like back-to-back yes when i send it i'm like jump back like oh but i just i know how busy you are like how many times you've said you get millions of emails messages so if i send one and leave it it would as you probably know jack you'll never get through and you'll just skip over it oh it's another one of them so i just keep my name kept coming up just reminding you until jack then give me a bit of work hopefully done that right and then a bit more bit more bit more and then here we are now and it wasn't only that but also you were commenting on every video and that was already my way yeah because we see the first hour and you're like graham i sent you a message let me know you got it in the comments yeah but yeah that was it seems embarrassing but i'm here now with probably the best opportunity i'll ever get in my life just goes to show you guys make sure you comment and like comment on every video dgb antho is also very similar and and dgb has been a tremendous help i i know you're watching this so i want to thank you for everything uh but dgb didn't even ask for work he was just like commenting on every single video and he got so good with algorithms that he would uh without he would know when a video is not performing well and he would just automatically comment i think this title is better i think this thumbnail is better he got so good at it that he was better than jack and i estimating how well the video is gonna he guessed today's video what i don't know he's better than us no no here's a surprise he guessed what the vid today's video was ranking in the first like three minutes and he was right in three minutes i can't even tell how it's gonna get through but he did it three minutes like it blows my mind and so uh so i brought him on also as like an intern yeah so basically um you know i just i give him a little bit every week just uh just for his help and he moderates the comments like she's so good but it just goes to show you it's like sometimes that persistence it's just you stand out it's just finding a way to stand out in a way that uh that it just catches someone's attention they they're able to see that um why didn't you work for mark tilbury yeah uh it's a good question the english finance youtuber um i think at the time when i was saying uh the story that without like trying to suck up to you or anything it was like that emotional connection you know when something so big changes in your mind i'm not even just saying this every money i had was spent elsewhere so that change was almost like connected to you um mark toby wasn't even like he had he has had like that massive growth spurt in like a year didn't he just went off and at the time mark toby wasn't even like i think it was on like 100 subs maybe 100 000 subs so you was the main guy in the space um and obviously you've said mentioned loads of times before you started off the finance in that way and that's probably when i first found your videos so looking back at it now it's probably been over the last three or four months when mark toby's been big um but i just had my sights set on this darn it i don't know why why stop now all right and we just met like an hour ago by the way so that that's how like fresh all of this is what has been your first impression like everything alex picking you up from the airport coming up here crazy dust storm yeah so england weather is awful by the way minuses um we have probably one month so getting off the plane that gust of heat and sand in your eyes obviously it's the desert i was like oh god man um but yeah on the phone to alex sorting out where to pick me over at the wrong place um and then straight here and straight on a podcast with probably my 22nd hour of the day wow yeah i know and we're about to get sushi it's it's my treat tonight thank you um thanks thanks grab yeah we're gonna go to super sushi in las vegas they've been hooking it up lately super sushi las vegas it's uh they're great we used to go there like twice a week yeah and then it got to a point where like wait we're eating too much sushi so harvey what kind of value do you think you can uh contribute to this entire business yeah so on the way here that was i'm not i wouldn't say i'm ever going to be able to specialize in one say i'll say i'm coming here as an editor i'm coming here but what as you can see persistence um i've tried anything i've always been up for anything and playing sports and things like that being able to any task you give me if you teach me the basics and what to do give me like two weeks a week and i'll start nailing it and get better and better and better there's never something that i'll probably sit and think i can't do this i'm just going to give up see what i'm saying the more i do something the more happy just have to show me the basics and then hopefully build from there so you're down for anything it's funny because i was with my housemates before i came out of this podcast and i was telling them about you because you're you're staying two nights with me and they said why are you doing this i mean he's from you know a different country why why is he coming out here and i said well you know graham orchestrated a decent amount but also for me from messaging me right now a good reason for me why i i'm totally fine with it is i i honestly see a decent amount of myself and you because i didn't have any skills going into this job like there was nothing from that moment that i could have provided motivated that's all that's it graham could give me any task and i had no regard for my time i didn't care about it i'm like yeah sure give me a 20 hour task to do in like you know 28 hours and i'll just do it i don't care so that's kind of something that i see in you and uh i respect it you know the best thing in this industry is if you're trying to if you're trying to get into it and you find a mentor it doesn't matter how much skills you have it doesn't matter if you're proficient in final cut pro premiere unless if they're looking for an editor of course but there are so many ways that you can provide value just by giving someone your time you know what i mean and that's what i tell a lot of people that are trying to get into somewhat similar positions at me that's what i've said yeah sorry just that's what i've always said to you i've just said give me the boring the worst the longest stuff take that time off your hands because obviously i see the benefit that frees up your time and then what you can do coming in with a business mindset as you say free up more time for graham and every bigger things can come from that just by getting little things you're going to get a little bit of all of us here because you'll see you'll kind of mentor excuse you jack on work ethic yeah in 2022 now uh you could watch jack uh you'll watch alex and see what he does and then in between that we could go over things because like we're planning if it's me just sitting in front of me it's not as good but like comments thumbnails reviewing videos like stuff like that we could do together um and there'll be some like you know we could we don't you'll help alex on the podcast room and stuff like that but i think it'll be a good experience you're saying to jack about watching youtube videos and is a simple task for me to do watch videos send them over to you yeah oh good yeah yeah see second channel videos yeah harvey i'm delegating that to you i will be outsourcing that and not taking no no yeah yeah so videos that you think will do well from an algorithm standpoint second yeah hopefully just question question things and yeah a few questions yeah give a different opinion that's fantastic so what do you think about graham like i know meeting him in person was probably a lot different than what you thought of you know over the internet did he exceed your expectations or did he go eat or below yeah is he like way below expectations above i've got to say that good okay good wow but obviously you only see what online it's like it's so hard um but obviously just by messaging me back and give me this opportunity how can i ever say a bad word in general just because the opportunity gave me messaging me back giving me the time obviously so busy um [Music] but yeah well honestly had you not followed up because you were like i want to fly down on a flight yeah give me a week give me a week give me a week give me a week and eve in all the times where i'm like i don't know i don't know these dates are i'm out of town like just let me fly down let me fly down let me do that over and over again and then when you're like monday yeah okay monday it is it worked yeah i just thought yeah just keep saying it yeah put a date in your mind instead of you coming to me all right and just see what goes from there and so here we are so you're here for three days four days what do you want to get from what's the one thing that you really want to um so i do a bit of my own stuff so obviously asking questions from you all of you would be so beneficial to me more than money could ever pay for just so that's obviously something beneficial to me and hopefully i can show what i can do and if you see something in me and then hopefully goes from there just set a good first impression really cool in the time we have looking forward to it well i think we're good it should be a lot of fun go off to super sushi you got to be exhausted and first task black card go and talk to the owner let's see if we can make that happen thank you guys so much for watching this has been a great midweek episode i know it's our second one we've ever done just let us know what you guys think people seem to like the first one so let us know if we should keep it up yeah if you like it let us know in the comments section you could also let us know which stock you gave when you uh sign up for public using the gram public.com and let us know which stock you get uh we'll link to all the information in the description so anyway thank you thank you guys thanks for having me thank you alex and until next time thanks man yeah