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Welcome back to the guest coffee hour. So, we have a few things that we want to talk to everybody about and we figured we uh may as well just turn on the camera and record. Yeah. So, the biggest thing I'd say, let's start off with a bang. You posted a job listing on Instagram. I did. Tell me about it. Why? $100,000 starting salary. Dude, what's up with that? What is up with that, Jack? Well, I've been pushing Graham for probably I I don't know how many months now to outsource more things for years. Yeah. to now start outsourcing so he can start spending his time on the stuff that really makes an impact on the business. And I figured that script writing although you know Graham thinks and I agree it's one of the most crucial parts of the business. Even if Graham can get someone that can write 80% of the script and Graham can just put in that 20% of Graham's spice on top but it saves Graham a few hours during the day that he can allocate towards other things that he has a bigger ROI on. I said it was worth it. And finally, with uh enough con convincing and uh chipping away, I got Graham to post a job listing at a $100,000 starting salary. I'm not optimistic. How did you convince him to spend so much? Well, I asked Graham, well, I don't know. Should I say that? Uh I asked Graham uh I asked Graham, "How much would you pay to have someone that writes every single video for you for an entire year? What would you pay their annual income?" And and Graham said, "A lot of money." A lot. So I said, "Well, let's start it at $100,000 uh to make sure people know that it's worth it." Serious. Yes. That it's a serious inquiry. Exactly. So I'm not I don't believe that role could be filled, but I'm really trying to go in with an open mind and just and just see. Mhm. So my argument was that the time that you spend scripting, the time that you spend doing all these other things that you find very important, I said that those are big wastes of time. And I said, one thing that you could be spending your time on that would be a great way to spend your time would be going through different scripts that people have written for you. Even if you spend three to five hours going through, you know, a hundred scripts that people have written, uh, if you find five ones that are decent, that's a fantastic way to spend your time. I think that's the problem, though. That's the key word, decent. I think that there are going to be a few that are decent, but I feel like they're not going to be enough for Graham. working with on a day-to-day basis. I know how I don't want to say picky, but how uh particular you are. And so, I think it's not it's getting Graham to understand that that's okay. I agree. They're not going to be perfect by any means. And I don't think that's even possible for them to be perfect in Graham's eyes because Graham's idea of perfection is just like one of the scripts that he's written. But if it's 80% and it saves Graham a little bit of time and then Graham can train this person just over like maybe a couple of weeks to get this person really good, then I think that's a great way that I see is that I've been doing this now for like over five years, three times a week. I have the experience of knowing the algorithm, knowing what works and knowing the audience and knowing which topics do well that I don't know if if that could easily be taught to somebody who who isn't as like who doesn't spend five hours a day in front of the computer reading like personal finance like to bring someone I I I know how much work I put into this and I don't think that unless they've been doing it full-time already that I think there's such a steep learning curve. I don't know if I have the patience for that learning curve. I think you'll find a few that are good enough and then you'll go on and interview these people, get an idea, and then try to train up these people, give them a few ideas and hints, and it will be it'll be really, really challenging for you, but I think it will be well worth it when you find someone that can do, let's say, 80% of what you do. I think it'll be well worth it. I would love to see somebody else do it first. Andre Jick would be a good example because we have a similar script, a similar, you know, similar outline, similar topics. I would like to see him just buy them out. Yeah. Andre could write like like think about it. If Andre can write scripts that would be sufficient for you to do on your own channel. Aren't there plenty of other people that can do that too? You're you exist. Andre exists. But Andre's been doing it full for three years. Not five, right? Not five. No. So, there's someone out there. I'm a firm believer. I The only problem is I I I just I'm okay and I understand that Graham does need to outsource some of that work. Uh, but I definitely don't want his videos to lose that that touch because um, you know, we were we were talking about, you know, scripted versus, you know, scripted videos from a team versus scripted from the creator and um, we can tell the difference in some of the cases and you look at the performance between the two, but you know, but I'm not saying it can't get better. I'm not saying it can't get better. I'm just saying it will take time, but I think that that it is possible. Yeah. Like I could tell who scripts their videos themselves and they put their heart and soul into something versus a team. I I notice immediately. I just don't think that outsourcing means that you have to sacrifice quality at all. I think outsourcing you can actually get better scripts. I think you can find someone that can literally write better scripts than you. I'm certain they don't have the passion. It's that passion that really maybe not. But like I said, what if they get you to 80% of what you need and then all of the sudden instead of spending eight hours per script, you're spending 2 and 1/2 3 hours per script. That's five extra hours that you get. I also I also think that there's going to be a kind of a disconnect between having somebody write the scripts um and having somebody find video topics because I feel like that's throwing a lot to somebody who maybe has never been in the space. Um, and I feel like if you do end up hiring somebody, there's going to be a lot of collaboration in the fact where first they may not bring video topics that you find suitable, but maybe they only focus on writing and you focus on, okay, let's talk about video topics together and then you focus on that part. I think to have the like the trifecta of video topics, perfect writing, and the personality, I don't think anybody's going to emulate that exactly like you do. Um, but getting somebody to to be perfect at writing um, and then eventually helping them find topics and then you adding that spice. Nobody's going to add the spice like you do. So add taking whatever it is. Go ahead. No, I think Grant blushed when you said that. I just thought it was cute. Well, you started snickering first and you know what I mean. Taking 30 minutes, 40 minutes to add your your personal touch at the end. Uh, I think you're always going to have to do that. Even if you find somebody that can get you 90% there, you're always you're always going to make edits to the script. I'm certain. I know. I'm going in with an open mind. It's like this is the the one thing that takes up most of my time that I'm I'm least likely to ever give up. I just think I'm open but I'm open to I'll try it. I think that's how you're going to scale. I really do. As as long as you can continue outsourcing. I don't know if I want to scale. You don't want to. I don't know if I Jack the other day he told me Grabb needs to scale because if he doesn't outsource I think he's doing it wrong and I I said well how do you define because if you don't want to scale that's fine well kind of if you don't want to scale that's fine but okay you want to pull Alex well how do you measure the um you know how do you measure success well if it's in Graham's eyes money then yeah you probably have to outsource to make more If you're okay with saying, "I will not hire an editor because I am passionate about researching and writing and I'm okay with leaving a little bit of money on the table." Bailey uh if you're okay with Bailey, if you're okay with leaving a little bit of money on the table, then hey, you're right. But then you have to admit that you are doing it solely because you are passionate about it and you are okay with leaving money on the table. So what is it? I don't know if I want to scale, Jack. I really I really don't think so. It's I I've gotten to a point now on the main channel at least that yes, it's time consuming, but it's manageable. I I enjoy the work with uh with you and and Alex. I enjoy meeting up and reviewing the video for edits and it's just like most of the time it's just just, you know, Alex and I and we'll throw some thumbnails your way. DGB will help out on the side. It's a small little team. Um, the only thing I really wanted like that my focus is just like continuing to grow the podcast, you know, that's where I feel like the skill because the main channel it's kind of like that scurve, you know, how you slow start and then meteoric rhymes. That sounds familiar to what uh Jack was saying about uh certain scalability like a week or two ago. Yeah. So, I totally get that. I kind of feel like I've hit what I could do on the the main channel. Like the only difference I think that I could do that I might try at some point is uh featuring more people like we did uh you know Doug Deir agree 100% Pokemon Kevin Oly so what if you got a person that does outreach and scheduling it's like any problem that you may have any roadblock in scaling there's always a solution but I don't know but I feel like you know you can't do too many of those and those are just like those those are the magical you know what I will say Jack it is a little weird when I reach out to schedule with people and like it's funny cuz I'm reaching out on Graham's behalf but then when they connect me with like their assistant. I'm just like, "Oh, this is weird." I like it for the most part because I know that I'm going to get a quicker answer from their assistant than I would probably get from them. So, I think that's great. I mean, I don't know. We had Matt Stony on like No, I'm not trying to throw Matt Stony on the bus. He was great. He just had a really busy uh two months. Sure, that was challenging. But the other people that we've also had in that same situation, it's actually been really good. So, it goes both ways, but I think I think I've kind of maximized what I could do on the main channel. I don't think scaling would necessarily lead to more money or more growth. I I honestly was talking mainly in free time because I also know that if you have more free time that can spur creativity. It can also give you time to allocate towards things that maybe you have a higher ROI on such as like a syndication. Gosh, I mean I have such a high ROI on the channel and I'm working on the syndication with uh with Ryan Peneda and uh he's doing so much work on the back end. Like I wouldn't I couldn't spend any time on that because he's like a genius. He already has like everything laid out for that and it's just like Graham, what do you think of this deal? Here's why we think it's a good deal. Do you agree with us? What are your thoughts? Um, well, he had the structure laid out for for his group, right? So, so it's kind of like it doesn't make sense for you to do all that work if you already have a partner that has the outline of basically everything. As long as I could keep up three videos a week, I'm I'm pretty happy with that. And um, makes sense. I mean, I was also talking about giving you free time because you went to Yeuse and you said you had a great time there and that type of stuff really makes me happy when you get to go out, enjoy your time and not have to worry so much about work. It's like I want you to go and uh and swim in Fiji, you know, like you said, like if you knew that you were going to pass away in like, you know, a week or so, that's something that you would do. Dark. I'm just I'm just saying like that's that's stuff that I wish that you could do right now because you have the means to do so, but you're kind of anchored down. It's not that we had to phrase it that way to get you to say what you want to do. There's there's a time and a place for that. I'm not there yet. Well, speaking about buying really expensive things, I heard Elon Musk just secured a Twitter deal. I thought you were about to talk about your aquarium. Oh my god. Okay, we could talk about bought an aquarium. We could talk about that a little bit, guys. I bought the aquarium that we were talking about and uh things just start adding up. I mean, I bought this aquarium all in 1,500 bucks. The first day I have it, my pump breaks. Okay. 400 bucks for a pump. That's a lot of money. Thank you, Jack. Thank you. 400. See, you must be loaded over there cuz you you didn't look too flinch. Yeah. You Jack's like, "That's it." Try a sewer line. Yeah. Try No, try the main line, man. 43. Maybe in a few years we'll we'll get there. So, all in. I'm probably now in like probably like 2700 bucks. I have a feeling that um now that I have everything, it's m it's mainly just maintenance at this point. Yeah. So, but Elon Musk bought Twitter. That's pretty crazy, too. Yeah. So, a lot more expensive than a pump. Only by a little bit if you think about it. But, uh or was it the pump? I I think he No, I don't know how. No. And then he's going to cancel the deal. No. Uh okay. Okay, so he bought Twitter. He's taking it private. What are your guys' thoughts on that? I like Elon Musk, so I'm not probably the best person to ask on this. I don't care. I don't use Twitter that often. Like, to me, it doesn't bother me. So, I'm all for it. I just like him and I believe in whatever he does. You I have pretty much the exact same opinion. I love everything Elon does, you know, and I'm sure that whatever he's going to do with Twitter is going to take it to the next level. So, I guess we'll have to see. Yeah. Well, maybe he can get us to use Twitter cuz I'm on the same boat as you. I don't use Twitter. Um, but like it's crazy that when you think about like, oh, where would the White House post? They're posting on Twitter. Um, so I'm curious to see if whatever they do, they can get me on Twitter. They can get you on Twitter. I'm not on Twitter either. I hate Twitter. Yeah. See, so why aren't we using Twitter? Because people are so angry on Twitter and nasty. It's like it's not a very supportive community. I think it's turned into a very political place like more for politics. I'm not like, but that's the sad part is they take a lot of things that aren't political and then turn them political maybe. So guys, we have to address some of the comments, too, because I've seen ton tons of comments that say that we're just filming our work meetings and just posting them. What do you guys have to say about that? Sounds accurate. Yeah, that's that's right. Yeah. The thing is though, it's like I see myself I'm like, yo, if Andre was having a work meeting or if Jeremy was having a work meeting, like I would want to tune in. I think that that could be really valuable information. Oh, if I could just watch it from my own home, you know, I think that's there there could be a lot of valuable information and stuff that because we talk strategy how we can grow and I think a lot of other people can benefit from this as well. So, you know, I think it it provides value. Yeah, I think so, too. Because if we're doing this privately, we may as well make money from it. Yeah. And it's I mean, it's also fun because who doesn't want to hear about our like when we have meetings in real life, we also go on tangents, I mean. Yeah. Yeah. So, Oh, I can say this. Alex got a little bit of a raise. What? Yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah. I was like, wait, wait, is it a cost of living raise? Because that affects all of us. No. So, when I first started editing the videos, uh, Graham started he he does this thing where he likes to split things up to like where it makes sense in his head. I'm like, "Okay, okay." And so, um, he told me in the beginning, he's like, you know, we're gonna start off at this, but then once we get it down, he's like, you know, we'll bump it. Mhm. And so I waited till like I knew that we had it down and then I was like, you know, I think, you know, cuz I I there was a time a conversation I had with Graham uh about a month and a half ago where I was like, I I you know, I'm trying to figure out where to spend my time and Graham just told me and we had this conversation maybe twice before that. He's like, you just got to get like the edits down. He's like, they just like cuz they were taking too long at that point um to review. spend like two hours reviewing a video. Yeah. Yeah. So, and so, um, after that that conversation, after we had that maybe once or twice, I just buckled down and like I started, uh, paying like closer attention to my cutting. I started watching like YouTube videos on like um the audio and stuff and just paying more attention to Graham when he does it. Like I know it's like stupid to say, but I just like, you know, when you just become like laser focused. Yeah. So, I did that and then after I I had it down, it probably took me a few weeks to like actually get it down. And then once I sustained it for a month, I talked to Graham. So, got a got a bit of a pay bump. And and I also told him I was like, uh, we had a conversation two weeks ago about uh where I want to spend my free time. And so, I told him, I like the free time that I have, but I also want to allocate more towards work. um because I do want to like be able to do what I want, but I also want to be able to grow something. So, yeah, we're just testing a few things that that I'm going to try to take on. And uh can we say one of those is uh the vlog? You didn't you didn't I I didn't want to say this, Alex, but uh you didn't do what I suggested. What? I said you that you should bring in the camera. If you're going to be here, we're going to be reviewing. You should be filming. You did not film today. That is true. That is true. Every two weeks, Alice asked me, "Hey, Graham, how could I scale?" No, I do not ask you that every two weeks. It is not every week. I want I want to continue growing. And my honest advice was we got to first get good at the videos. And then you came to me and you were talking about free time, this and that. And I told you honestly, I'd keep the work life balance that you have. Yeah. I think you have enough free time with Kelsey to pursue the passions. You're making more money than you said you wanted to make. That's still true. And you have a schedule, you guys. You totally miss. We don't have to go down this rabbit hole. Gloss over it. Yeah, but you 100% but you 100% misunderstood me. Anyway, go on. Yeah, you you have a schedule right now that you could pursue passions and I think your time is better spent instead of trying to maximize everything. Yes. And you know, stressing yourself out or, you know, overworking yourself to leave it be and get really good at what you're doing and enjoy that free time because on top of that, Alex is editing Millennial Money. Yeah. And so, you know, that's a once a week thing. And Alex, you're making making more money. And Stef family was one of those things where this morning cuz you asked me like if you wanted to what to do and I'm not going to remind you. I'm like cuz that's the last thing I want to do is have to like remind you, you know, I just leave it to you. But you did not film earlier today. I was not going to mention that. But that was your opportunity. You could you could have done that. Yes. I will say today was probably really chaotic because I'm leaving tomorrow. There's no room for chaos, Alex. I know. I know. There's no room. It doesn't matter if it's chaotic or not. You got to You just got to do it. But But it goes to show you you've you've prioritized chaos over money right now. H, haven't you? That's a way to put it. You did. Chaos is more important to you than making more money. And so that's why I said you could enjoy just the schedule of h, you know, of of a lot of flexibility for the most part. I mean, obviously we have the videos where it's like, you know, it was more of a schedule of like, okay, next day, let's let's try to have this done. But I don't know, man. I I think it it's either it's either you just self motivated just to do it or just enjoy the free time and just just chill honestly. Right. Yeah. I didn't think to do that this morning. Would you say your income affects your happiness? My income affects my uh after a certain point. No. Wait, does it? No. Right now? Yeah. Uh no. No. I would say Alex is the happiest I've seen him since he got the reef aquarium. Really? Honestly, I I actually do agree with that. I'm so happy with the like I mean I'm happy. My biggest thing is uh money does not make me happy, but learning makes me happy. And so the thing is I like a lot of interesting things that sometimes spending money would let me learn things like the reef aquarium or for example or whatever. Um not not all of it is super expensive but learning I would say is what makes me happy. Yeah, that's good. Um, but that's not to say like I want to have like kids and um that's not to say that I'm not completely unaware of income and how um that could potentially help me be more comfortable and give my kid a better life or have enough money to pay for whatever it is. Uh I'm not I'm not completely oblivious to that, but it doesn't make me happy directly by having more money. No. And that's that's why I told Alex, I think the free time for Alex, you're going to get a better ROI with free time than maximizing your time for money. Not to mention, you live so cheaply. I've seen your place. It's nice. Actually, I mean, that's I wouldn't say Alex lives extremely cheap. I would spend I spend a good amount of money. Yeah. He buys a lot of tools and like like I mean the aquarium itself was very expensive. Yeah, because you're spending like no money on rent. I mean, you just bought a Lego set. That was how much? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I bought the Titanic Lego. Well, I I had that for like a month now. But yeah, it's an investment though. I I'm trying to I'm trying to flip it. Are you really? Yeah, but I'm trying to get because then I could if I flip two of them, I can get a free one for myself. That's awesome. Yeah. And like I've gotten some offers, but I'm trying to extract value out of it. So, how much are you looking to get? Uh, so if you guys are in the Las Vegas area and you're looking for a Titanic Lego set, uh, you know, I'm willing to let it go for 780. So, $780. How much did you buy it for? We don't need to put that on the podcast. But if you look it up on the Lego website, it's like 500. It's like uh like 620. Why do people Why can't people just buy it on the Lego website for 620? Because it's so sold out. So, you can't buy it anymore. No. Well, no, no, no, it's sold out. No, no, it's sold out. So, I have to I have to flip this before before the inventory Did you already build it up again? No, I haven't opened No, I'm trying to sell it. Why would I build it? I I I don't know. Yeah. So, I've gotten offered like 720, but I'm holding out. You're in the Lego market. Holding out. Yeah. And I have a Lego collection, and last year it did better than the S&P 500. I want to ask you both, when is the last time you cried, and why? Two days ago. What about you, Graham? What's today? Oh gosh. What? Mine was about two days ago, too. No way. Yeah. I did like a full-on cry or what are you talking like a tearing up? Yeah. Yeah. Like a tear like a you know, tears came from your eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Two days ago. Why? Well, I injured my back. Does that count? You actually cried? Yes. I thought you were kidding when you said that you cried from I told you, right? Yeah. I thought you were joking. No, I wasn't joking. You guys have seen me uh wear my back. So, when I put the fish tank together, guys, I was uh lay the cabinet is like this. I was laying there for like 6 hours doing the plumbing cuz I'm stupid and I don't know how to do it. It was my first time. And uh immediately after I got up, I was like, and then I woke up the next day and then that was painful. But, uh yeah. No, genuinely uh made me cry because of the pain. And were you like you guys have seen me where it's like the pain like I'm over the hill, but like when I was at the peak, I couldn't even like stand. Yeah. And and were when you cried, was it like audible audible crying? That's a weird question to ask. I'm just curious. Yeah, that is a weird. No, no, it wasn't a I was just like and like just tears just rolled down. Are did you want like the like an emotional cry or uh maybe we can get on to that grand? Yeah, why did you cry? Oh, it was the wedding. It was just Yeah. Yeah. You tear up a little bit, you know, but you got to keep it strong. You got to suck it up a little bit, you know, not not let that show. So, yeah. What about you, Jack? So, when I was at I was at a wedding the exact same day Graham was at a wedding, which I think was two days ago. Oh gosh, come on guys. The same and some weird stuff. We're in sync. I will say this, my eyes glossed over and I was waiting for a tear to fall or to roll down my face, but it did not. So, so you didn't cry? No. So, technically, honestly, the last time the last time that I cried would have been a year and a half ago was the last time. What was that? Grandma passed away. Oh, yeah. That was the night we went over to Logan Paul's house. No way. Yeah. Did you know she passed away before Logan or after? Before. You knew? Yeah. Wow. And you still went to Logan Paul's house? You didn't say anything? Uh, no. I mean, I took a break. Like I I left because we were all in your house and I was like, "Hey," and I excused myself for like 20 minutes to call my mom and everything, but Oh, I want to know a terrible story. What? When I was 15, I worked at Six Flags Great America in Gurnie, Illinois. And um my I got a call from my parents. You're not supposed to have your phone on you, but I had a and I had my phone on me, took a call and my parents told me that my grandma had passed away and um I told like who my supervisor I was like 15 and um they made me finish up my shift. You guys believe that? Were you crying while working? Yes. My grandma passed away and I was like 15. What was the job? Um, I was like in the in the games like you you know when you go to like a a Six Flag Have you been to Six Flags? Not in a while. Okay. Think of like you go down the carnival boardwalk and they have like the throw the buck the ball in the bucket, do this, you know, and uh Yeah, that was the job. So So you were in front of people and you were crying? Yes. And they kept me there. That's pretty terrible. Till I finished my shift for like 5 hours. 5 hours. Were you crying the entire five hours or No, I probably stopped crying after like an hour. But like I'm always curious like if for an employer, what would they have done if you left? Is that is that considered paid time off or would they just say you could leave? But like I don't know. I mean I was 15 so whatever they did. And uh and you know what was terrible about that job too? When you um get in through like security and stuff um they have like this thing because they employ a bunch of 15year-olds. Um, they have this thing where it's like all the HR people and you give them like your ticket, like they print you out your ticket to check you in and then you have to walk like 20 minutes, sometimes even like 25 minutes to get to where you work. Um, and then when you got there, they would write down the time you got there and that's when they start the clock. Why' you say 25 minutes? The amusement park. It's just they put you at the very end. You could be Yeah, because you could have to walk through four different sections. Maybe not 25, maybe like 15 minutes. But yeah, but there back in that time was not uh accounted for. Exactly. And they changed that law, I believe, since then. Uh but looking back, I'm like, "Wow." I'm like, "That's a lot of time." That and then when you would go on your break and you got like a 20-minut break, they would like write down the time that that the manager like, "Okay, you're going now." And then they'd write it down, but it takes you like, you know, 10, five minutes to get to the break room and then five minutes to get back. I'm like, "Dude, I'm like looking back, I'm like, "Well, I was 15. Should have created a union. No, it's whatever. But uh you know, I would have thought that when you get to the if it's like a grocery store, no problem because the break room's like a one minute walk. Nobody cares. But for an amusement park, I feel like I feel like a lot of kids were robbed. Yeah. Did they just sneak off and go on the rides, though? I don't know. You know what? Uh I I don't know if I should say this. Oh, you'll be curious. No, no, no. It's good. Uh, I used to work at the water park and uh, sometimes when there was not much action, I would check people into the cabanas, which are just like a fancy tent. If uh, I checked every everybody in for the day and there's an extra one, I'd go in and take like a 20-minute nap. That's not bad. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Nothing crazy. Back when I was a buser at a restaurant, um I would uh sometimes eat bread, you know, like the bread that they serve to tables before they Would you eat like eaten bread though? No. Yeah. Yeah. No, I wouldn't eaten bread, but I would eaten I would eat eaten like prime rib and stuff like that. Like if someone like if it had a bite like on the spot. Yeah. And I know that's disgusting. And to someone who doesn't work in the restaurant industry, they don't understand. But if you join the restaurant industry and you're, you know, 6 hours into a shift and you're starving and there's like a huge, you know, prime rib that's going to go in the trash and you see a, you know, section that doesn't have any, you know, cuts in it, you're like, well, you know, I'm pretty hungry. I would do that. I did that actually at a sushi place. You used to work at a sushi? No. No, I didn't work there. I just I was eating there and I saw this guy like he was on a date and he had barely touched his food and like they had paid already and his like sushi was like not barely eaten. And so I was telling a friend like we're sitting like this. I'm like he's not going to finish his food like are they just going to throw that out? And my friend jokingly said just ask and see if you could take it. And so I'm like really and he's like yeah just do it. So I was like hey excuse me um I see you haven't been eating that. like, "Are you going to finish that?" And the guy looked at he's like, "Uh, no, I don't think so." I'm like, "Do you mind? Can I can I have it?" And he's like, "Sure." And gave him the That's like what you see on Extreme Chief Skates. It looked fine. It was fine though. I mean, no, I'm sure it's fine, but like I wouldn't know how to react if somebody Did you feel shameful when you asked that? No. Kudos to you, man. No, I I just like I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think that's great. Good for the plan. Go in the trash. I just feel like it'd be weird if somebody asked me, I'd be like, "Oh, but if someone asked me, I would be happy. I would give it to them." But I don't know if I could ask people. That's the same reaction. I'd have the same reaction. I'd be like, "Well, if I'm not going to eat it, I'm going to be like, "Sure, take it." And if I'm going to eat it, I'm be like, "Oh, you know, I just haven't had a chance. Like, I'm going to take it with me." But honestly, but part of maybe he was like so uptight on his date that he didn't want to like eat too much and then he felt uncomfortable. Was like, "No, I'm going to take it with me." He was like, "Uh, sure." Maybe I caught him at the right moment, but anyway, I don't I don't care, you know. Have you ever been called out for being frugal from like like a friend and it was weird? No. Not once. No. No. They they all know me so well that they're like, "That's just Graham." Did you ever think that you took it too far? Yeah. I brought a Subway to a restaurant once. No way. Yeah. You told me about that. You did? Yeah. It was a car meet. And uh I think like I would ration like how much money I'd spend the day and I'd be like, "Well, it's a car meet and we drive to Malibu and we do this drive and come back." So I've spent like $20 on gas and that's kind of like my limit. So I don't want to spend then like another $20 on food at a restaurant. And then it puts you in a weird spot where you like have to figure out how to split the bill. And like sometimes everyone puts their credit card in to split it evenly, but I would always get the appetizer which means I have to pay for everyone else's food and drink. And I didn't I didn't want to do that. That's fair. So I went next door. This is in like the Malibu Country Mart or whatever. There's a Subway there. And so I got a Subway and I went and there were like 20 of them at a table and I got my seat and I just asked for a plate and I brought them my Subway and I ate the Subway without What was your uh What was your income at the time? 10 something. I don't know 120ish. You know what? I get that. I get that. No, I get that. Respect, man. Like, but plus I would rather have the Subway if it's between spending $30 on a plate of food just because I'm with people I want to spend time with and I have to spend $30 or I don't eat or I spend $5 for a Subway sandwich and I enjoy the food more and I get to eat with everybody. This is a big table. What did everyone around you think? Nobody cared. I mean, it's just like I I I sat next to two friends and they just that's funny. They're like, "Oh, that's a good idea. I should have done that, too." They're like, "That's Graham." Yeah. Guys, I I went to Red Rock Casino today to look at the wedding venues because I'm having my official wedding. I was shocked how expensive it is. How much? It's like So, it depends. We could do dinner or lunch. Dinner or lunch? It's weird to do lunch. But that's what I That's what I said. I'm guessing lunch is like lunch is going to be like $3,500. Wait, no. No, no, no. How many people? Uh, the minimum is 50. Yeah. They have a They have a spending minimum. It's It's So, we're not going to hit the the minimum. So, we're going to be at the minimum. It's probably 10 to $15,000 for I was thinking like 80 eight grand. Yeah. Okay. So, if we do uh lunch, it's 6,000 uh $6,000. Okay. Lunch for 50 people. 50 people. No, minimum. Minimum. Minimum. So, whether you have 30 people, you have to spend at least that much. Uh six grand. If you do, but I'm not opposed to it, but then I'm like thinking I'm like, gosh, lunch is such a bad time to have a wedding. Yeah. Um, but if you do dinner, 15,000 minimum. That's what I thought. With 50 people or more? No, that's the spending minimum. 15,000. Yeah. So, so think about this. You could have 50 people, right? And your bill may only be like, let's say, 12, but you need to hit 15. So then that's where you're going to be like $300. So then that's where you're going to have to be like, "Oh, uh, can we add the uh, you know, the the shakuderie Oh, sorry. The shakureri appetizer. Can we add a dessert table?" Like to hit the 15 because you need to hit the That's why it helps to have like a presence on social media because you need to say like, "Hey, it's free, but it's like, hey, you know, you're going to be here." So that doesn't even include like having a photographer, having a DJ. Um, it's about like 20 grand. There's also a smaller room that I considered doing it with Kelsey. I think it was about 11 10 or 11 grand and the only difference is for dinner and the only difference is it's a smaller room. Um, but you're renting a room. Why don't you talk to Lucky and just get the warehouse is auto warehouse. It'd be cool and just like just do some I'm not opposed to it, but I'm not even having the wedding for myself, man. My wife wants a wedding. But she could have a wedding in the the, you know, automotive life warehouse. I mean, that's cool. You get a DJ there. You get a DJ. Yeah, you can have a wedding at my house for like 1,500. You're going to charge me to your house. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Think about it. What you're getting, you're buying a room, right? You're buying Oh, and the food. And the food. But you honestly, everyone would be so much more happy. Guys, I agree. You guys are acting like I'm not agreeing with you. So, I'm saying this was a lot more expensive than I thought. Yes. I would say for six grand you could rent out a big warehouse somewhere in the middle of nowhere. It doesn't matter. Um the thing is super sushi caterers. I don't think that that's what my wife wants. And aside from that, I mean uh her mom set aside money for her to have a wedding. Okay. I don't want to spend it because even if it's not my money, it just feels wasteful. I mean it is typical that the you know the brides Well, it's not the full amount. It's not the full amount of money. see that like 15 grand you could put I would say like honey we're going to put this towards a house fund and this is going to buy us that's what I said I said that but her mom knows that Kelsey's insistent on having a wedding so she said I have this money but you have to use it on a wedding then you have to use Can you just Airbnb a mansion for like five grand and then it's like spend another two grand on food yes seriously like no not even two grand on food how many people are you inviting 30 uh yeah I was thinking like 38. Oh, it'll be a few thousand, right? Yeah, like 2,000 on food for them to bring all the food and stuff. Yeah, it's expensive. But still, dude, I would just Airbnb like a mansion or something like that and you could get a crazy place for like a couple grand. You get it for the whole night so you can stay there. Yes. Get a better idea. What? Okay, Kelsey's going to hate this. I I think it's a good idea. Spend 15 grand and then charge for tickets. I I had that idea. I swear I had that idea. No, no, no. Listen, you could invite like, "Hey, 20 subscribers who want to come to this thing. Send send an application." Like, I'm going to be like, "Hey guys, Graham is going to be there." Yeah. I'm going to be there. Jack's going to be there. Macy's going to be there. Ramsay is going to be there. Yeah. But like, you know, hey, for 500 bucks a ticket, Andre J is going to be there. I just start inviting all of our friends. You could get a ticket for five. Who wouldn't want to go to a wedding with all of us? Free food. That would make a great video. 500 bucks a ticket. I got a $15,000 wedding for free. An absolutely banger video. Seriously, 500 tickets, 20 people. That's 10 grand. You should just start al like inviting Alex Horoszi and stuff just so you can like market it better. Like the following guest. Yeah, that would be hilarious. Everyone on the ice coffee. You know what, Kelsey? I don't think she'd be opposed to that. Do it. And you know what would be funny? It'd be funny if I like I have a whole website for it, but there's only a certain amount of tickets and like as the guest like RSVP like like it goes from like invited to like like confirmed. Talk to Kelsey about so bad because you should get like Alex and like Kevin or so whoever appears to do like a keynote too and you can you can start marketing that turn it into a seminar. No, you're like Kevin's going to talk about the real estate market, dude. No, no, no. Why am I not actually opposed to that? That's so bad. But it could be it could if you think about it, it's kind of like a win-win. Like, or here's the thing, you could you could do this and say, "Hey, listen. We'll spend the $15,000 on the wedding, but the ticket price, that's the house fund." And so that way it's like you separate the two and it's like we're going to sell 20 tickets, but we're going to get $10,000 back and that's going to be our money towards the down payment on the house. That's not a bad idea because the other thing is like when people give wedding gifts, they usually give like stuff for the house. Kelsey and I have lived together for the last like four years. We don't need anything. Like don't send me a toaster. I don't need a toaster. And like people are like, "Oh, you should make a wedding registry." Like I don't want to tell you what to give me. Don't give me anything. Just like do you have Venmo? Like I'm like you got Venmo? I just don't want random stuff because it's wasteful. It's more stuff. It's more trash that's going into the, you know, the packaging. It's going to the landfill. I have to throw away my old one or just keep two things for no reason. Just don't buy me. It's a better thing to buy those experiences for you and Kelsey. Like if someone says like, "Hey, here's a blank ticket to the zoo. Take it to the zoo." Take it to the aquarium. That's probably better. Well, guys, great great point. Monetizing the wedding. Yeah, that's what I think. We're diving deep again. I have another question. What's the hardest decision you guys have ever made? quitting my job and coming here makes sense. Yeah. I mean, obviously like at the surface level seems like a no-brainer because you're like, "Oh, like I like Graham, like I want to work with him." Uh, but once you step back and assess the actual risks, it's a huge risk. I mean, I uprooted my wife from Wisconsin uh to and I paid money to move here and I moved me and my girlfriend at the time, now wife, away from our family and friends. Uh if I was out of a job, if I didn't like my job, if I was unhappy, uh if I just wasn't getting along with my now wife, I mean, uh then I would be stuck in Vegas. And uh honestly that's probably one of the biggest decisions that I've ever had to make. That's actually funny you say that because for me it was the exact same thing. It was like dropping out of college and quitting the career path that I was you know on and worked so hard to be on for a long time. Uh and going in full-time uh you know dropping out and and working with Graham full-time. That was probably the hardest decision I've ever made. But I kind of viewed it in a different angle. I I thought the risk was staying on the path that I was on. It's like I think the real risk in there would have been to not take this opportunity then like to you know quit college or whatever and or take a year off or whatever may be and uh and go in with this. I think it's similar because passing up on it, I was like, well, I'm now presented with a risk to do something that I love to do, editing, shooting video, just being creative in general. And uh to be presented with an opportunity and skip that, then that means that, you know, will something as good come up down the line? So, makes sense. Yeah. What about you, Graham? I don't know. I don't I don't really have I don't know. Everything I've done is just always felt like it's better than what I'm currently doing. But you certainly had to have been at a point where you have to make a decision that you're like it's going to be when it goes down to two videos. What about hiring Jack or something? No. The hardest decision. I hope that wasn't hard. No, no, no, that wasn't it. Well, I'm just saying how apprehensive he is to bring people on, but No, I can't I honestly can't think of really. Come on. Maybe it was getting your first rental property. What about when you decided to spend all your money on that Lotus instead of like, was that a hard decision? That was a very easy decision. You just know what you want. I guess Graham's very sure of himself. That's good. Yeah. Not many people can say the same thing. Yeah. Cuz difficult decision means I'm unsure like or a hard decision that I made meant I was unsure about something. But I've always been pretty sure of, you know, if I if I'm gonna do something, I'm pretty sure about it. It's just so fascinating because I feel like I'm, you know, I've I'm posed with like a lot of difficult decisions quite frequently, you know. Oh, yeah. But but Graham is he's very he knows exactly where he stands, you know, what he is and he's confident in everything that he does. I respect it a lot, you know. It's it's pretty crazy. It's like it also seems like Graham's made very few missteps in his life. It's like, you know, he went into real estate, he was doing well there. It's like everything that he's really put his time and effort into, he's been successful at so far. And uh I I don't know how much of it that is like mentality versus actual accomplishments and achievements. I think mentality. That's Yeah, I think it's mentality. I think so, too, because I look back on my life and I'm like, well, I tried drop shipping, I tried this business, I tried this business, but it didn't work. But it's like you can either see those as failures, like maybe a lot of people do, or you could see it like maybe I would assume Graham would, and see that as a learning experience. It's like that's a success because although I did allocate a lot of time and effort towards it, I learned something that's worth so much more. You have to remember that not that many people will actually try it. And like that's something I learned early on as well. Like uh think about it like me making a video to come here. Like how many people actually sat down and like, "Okay, I'm going to get this video done." Like I know it makes sense to you guys because you guys have the same mentality, but a lot of people don't want the like the risk, whatever the risk is. Or when I was starting my like my wedding business, people told me I was stupid. Like Mhm. I didn't think I was stupid. People were making people made so much fun of me when I was doing what the work with you in the beginning. Why? Because Yeah. people people uh specifically like some family couldn't believe that I left my job at a bank to come work in Las Vegas endless amounts of crap. Why? Because in the beginning I was I mean I was not making any money at all and they saw how much time I was putting into this whole thing. Me too. And so like so especially like when I would tell my parents or something like that or tell my friends like, "Oh, I made 50 bucks this weekend." Because I used to get paid $50 every time I drove out to LA at what I'd leave the house at like 6:00 in the morning to meet Graham at like 8:30 cuz there was traffic every single time. And uh you probably hated that, huh? And I' and sometimes Graham would forget to send me the $50, whatever. You know, he paid me for every weekend of work. Uh and I just wouldn't say anything. I was like, "You know what? It's worth it not to press it, you know." And sometimes I'd go out and pick up lunch and he wouldn't pay for it. And like Graham usually pays for it, but I'm not going to press it. And there was this one time we got a Yoshinoya. Oh, I love that. And you didn't pay for it because you sent me out to go get it. And I drove and I spent all the money on gas. Say something because I didn't I I just I wanted honestly I I figured it was a smarter decision for me just to keep quiet and just keep putting it putting the grunt work in and just like doing my thing, providing value and keep going. And also one other thing I want to touch on is because before Graham ever actually paid me for my services, the only thing was a $50 to cover gas and you know maybe for my time uh on those weekends, but then he gave me his Robin Hood referral link. Uh and I remember I was telling and because this I mean this is probably three years ago at this point. Um Graham would get Robin Hood referrals from his link in his description and you get a free stock. But Graham didn't he didn't I I don't know. He probably didn't want to pay me yet or something like that. So he put my link in his description in the description of his video instead instead of him having his link and they maxed it out at $500. So I knew I was getting paid 500 bucks and it took me like a month or so to get the This is back in like 2019 2019. But before then I I would keep making these videos on Robin Hood and Robin Hood would cap out at $500. And I don't want to get in trouble. I I'm sure it's fine. Anyway, I would uh every time someone would hit the $500, I'd swap out their link with somebody else's. That makes sense. Or otherwise, they're keeping the money. I got the $500, it capped out. And then I'd like had my dad do it, it capped out. I had Eric at my office do it capped out. And I just like went through the roster be like, "All right, Eric, just let me know when it caps out and I'll swap it in." Did you uh did you collect a part of that from people? No comment. It's funny because I was from Jack. No. Okay. Yeah, you didn't collect it from me. But I was actually planning on pitching it to grandma. I was like, "Oh, if I give it to my friend and I take a spread and you take a spread, then we can like all profit." And I was going to do that, but I also didn't want to push that boundary. But that was in the beginning. That was the first time I like actually got paid. It was $500. And it took took a long time. You guys want to hear a cool thing I did? Uh, one time we did a uh a studio tour of this on the ice coffeeard clips and I asked Graham for his like Amazon affiliate login and he never gave it to me. So, I linked all the equipment that I bought with mine and I was like, "Well, if I ever make good money, I'll split it with Graham." Guess how much money I made? Zero. Probably 10 bucks. Yeah. Like 12 bucks. 1250. So, I get about four bucks of that. So, uh, you keep mine, you keep my percentage. I was like I was like, "Treat yourself." Well, I told you I did it. I don't know if you remember that. I was like, "Jack, do you think I was like cuz I was kind of like I don't want to say I was kind of new, but like I was still kind of I was like, "Do you think that's okay?" He's like, "Yeah, yeah." I was like, "Okay." Yeah. Cuz cuz the clips channel at the time, I think, only had like a thousand subs or something. So, yeah. But, all right. Uh, one final question. Okay. If you guys could invest in any YouTuber, who would it who would you invest in? Sunny V2. That's a great answer. Why? His content is incredible. Yeah, it's flawless. I I worry that uh how long could you keep up that schedule for? And how do you pivot once you like kind of run out of ideas is so good. The scripting is immaculate. Like the editing, storytelling, everything. Yeah. I watch every video. Yeah. Oh, my other one would be Eric. You think Eric's going to the moon? Yeah. I think he's going to hit 10 million subscribers by the end of the year. I agree with that. I'm going Matthew Beam or I'll go um uh maybe Jake Tran. Undervalued stock. I was going to say undervalued stock. Yeah. Gosh, that's just so so hard to to pick. Oh, get a call in Samir. You know what? That's a severely overvalued sorry, severely undervalued stock. Slow burn, but I think long term. When I saw their likes and I was like, they only have this many subscribers, I was absolutely shocked. Uh, but the amount of connections that they were able to make and the content is just topnotch. So, Uh for me, man, it's really hard. There's this uh channel, I don't know what it's called, which is probably not good, but they explain uh maybe you guys have seen it. They explain things about like boats like Yeah, certainly not. I'm buying puts on that like immediately. Okay. Okay. It's really good. They like they do really good stuff. Um or the other one that that I thought would be good Hold on. Give me a second. You guys heard of uh Mr. Beast? Meet Kevin. Gosh, I don't know. I really don't know other than the the boat one. You guys have to see the video. You guys have to see the videos. They're really good. So niche that I feel like it'd be difficult. Maybe not. Maybe you could start doing about planes and cars and bikes and stuff. Refrigerators. They're niche, but the but the quality is just and I feel like it's very undervalued. They don't have enough subscribers. I'll have to check it out. I don't know their channel name. All right, that's good marketing. Definitely. Well, with that said, thank you guys so much for watching, guys. Thank you, Alex, for tuning in. Go ahead and follow me on Instagram at Alex. So, we're also going to shout out the mentorship group down below in the description. When you sign up for Instagram, JS LB Y, uh, I want more clout. Graham, you want to shout anything out? Nope. Thank you guys so much for tuning in and uh and free stock and the mentorship group. Yeah, Alex_nava_photography on Instagram. CP Stefan on Instagram and Tik Tok. JLS LB Y Instagram. Thank you guys. All right. Thanks, Alex. That was good.