We CANNOT Believe Without God's Help?

address that. My main question is in regards to I saw you did videos in regards to the different >> letters in in tulip. So from a historical perspective I am I I'm not familiar with um Calvin or anything like that. Um the the only time when I came across the whole concept was going on a podcast for the first time and I needed to research it. But I do believe in each one of the letters cuz I believe it reflects what scripture says. The thing specifically that I was always confused about is that you're pretty much rejecting of total depravity from the perspective of people can be believing but they don't stay believing. Therefore, it doesn't have that inability that um total depravity is speaking about. But from my perspective, I believe that well, at least from the the reformed um teachers that I listen to, John Piper, um James White, it was always from the perspective of ultimate salvation. Does a person have the ability to believe in a way that would lead them to salvation? And from me um reading through the scripture, my perspective is that they don't. Um, >> so go ahead. >> Salvation is based upon us believing and trusting ourselves to what God has done. >> Correct? >> So in in the New Testament or after the cross or or Christ, all he's doing is fulfilling every part of the atonement. He plays a part of the high priest, right? He plays a part of the the sacrificial offering >> and the scapegoat, the sin bearer. plays all all all three all three roles. The reason why I bring that up is because people in the old testament were saved also. >> Mhm. >> Uh they could never be reconciled to the father because the mechanism that would reconcile them was Jesus actual ascension after his death, burial, resurrection and then his ascension. So they are s there waiting on him. But as they die, they die in right standing. How they get there? What what put them there? They believed. Now did something was there something internal making them believe or something external? >> See there's a there's a problem that those who believe that um you cannot believe on your own. Well in the Old Testament we do have people believing on their own. Now it's not quite on their own because what do they have in the Old Testament? They had priests and they had prophets and they had signs from God and they might even heck from time to time see an angel or the angel of the Lord but and there's a text that's given uh Deuteronomy 294 Moses says yet to this day the Lord has not given you who's you a heart to know nor to see nor ears to hear. >> Is this Deuteronomy? >> Yeah. Deuteronomy 29:4. So, who would who would that include? Well, it would have to include Moses. It would have to it would have to include Joshua. >> What about Jacob? It have to include him. So, >> um, how would it cuz this is Moses giving them the message, right? He's telling them what they're going to do. >> He's giving them a warning. Do not do this cuz if you do this, this is what's going to befall you. So Moses is the one that speaks to God and believes and knows and he's given them the message. So I wouldn't include Moses in the actual warning. >> You get what I mean? As the message bearer >> so yet to this day, the Lord has not given you a heart. >> Given you Yeah. giving you cuz it's like addressing. He hasn't given you and a heart to see cuz there they That's what I look at it. So I don't include Moses in the general conviction affair cuz he's the one giving the message. >> Okay. So the the word is lhem which is all inclusive to you all. Now >> let's say it doesn't include Moses. It includes everybody else. >> Yeah. >> And so a heart has not been given to them. Now we know what he's speaking about because this comes up again in Isaiah when he is touching their heart. He's hardening their heart. Mhm. >> So he and and and he will not give him a heart to to believe, eyes to see, and ears to hear. Same thing that we're seeing here yet to this day. So up till up till now, up to this point, God hadn't done so. So who does that include? A lot of people, faithful people who had faith but didn't have an inner workings of the Holy Spirit regenerating their heart. So man needs help either externally or internally. The problem that we have externally is that so many people you can start off believing and then and then walk away which is the case of Israel. >> Go ahead. >> That's the thing from Deuteronomy, right? >> When I'm because the warning specifically states that they're going to turn away. Right? So here's the warning. Do these things and this will happen. And then there's a second part of it. Sorry if I don't like remember it specifically. No, you're fine. >> Which is from like a storyboard perspective. This is how I remember it. >> So remember, >> remember what they have to do. They have to love the Lord their God with all their heart in Deuteronomy. And that >> the commandments that were given >> Well, hold on. You got to keep this in your heart >> in Deuteronomy 6. Deuteronomy 10, he tells them, "Circumcise your heart and sift your neck no longer. Get yourself right. Fix your heart." So he's telling them to do so. All the while periodically through this, you've got people that believe consistently. No. So they can make it they they can make up their mind to believe something. I really believe this. This is true. Something inwardly though will allow them to move away from that. You cuz you can walk away from what you know is true. You can know, hey, this is the best job, but that job's got more fun over there. Or this woman or this man is better, but I walk away cuz I like what I see over here. But I know this is I know he going to mess me up. I know she's I we we do that all the time. We walk away from what we know is right or what what's better. You pick a scenario. So no difference in the children of Israel. They can walk away from what they know or they trust is true. So which we see that happening with them. They believe something to be true and they can entrust themselves to it, but they also have the ability to stop entrusting themselves to it at that point in time because there's nothing inward. To this day, the Lord has not given you a heart to know, nor eyes to see, nor ears to hear. The same wording that we see in Isaiah um 96 or I'm sorry, 69 and 10. The same wording. And he says, "Otherwise, if you did have a heart to see and eyes to believe, I mean eyes to see, heart to uh to know and ears to hear, you would turn and believe." And this is kind of an ongoing thing which we see happens to the Gentiles >> and all believers in the New Testament. And then God has said he's going to do the same thing for the Jews, Israel, when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. So when that's when that's taking place, then he's going to open their eyes and their hearts and their ears, and they will believe. Also, up to this point though, he has not. Now, he's not saying that he's hardened them in Deuteronomy 29:4 is not saying that God has hardened them. He hadn't hardened them. He just hadn't given them eyes to see, ears to hear, and a heart to know. So how did everyone else see, hear and know? That was them. What kept them seeing, hearing, and knowing? It would be different events. Maybe something catastrophic. Maybe some uh waring nation. Maybe the angel of the Lord shows up, an angel shows up, a prophet shows up, signs and wonders show up. Because remember, we've got a prophet or a man of God leading them all the way up till Samuel. And then here comes Saul. And then here comes David. This this ultimate rebellion. By the way, we also have it, you know, periodically in in Judges where they would um um follow the Lord for a minute. God is cool with him, but then they would stop being cool with God and they would sin and then God would raise up an outside force to cause them to turn back to him. they would ra he'd raise up uh someone to come against them and they would cry out and then he'd bring up a judge and they would they would they would be delivered. So the cycle so even in the cycle of judges we see them trusting God but it was just temporarily they couldn't keep seeking. We know that mankind could seek God in the in the Old Testament but according to Romans they couldn't keep seeking or be seeking they the part of the ongoing seeking. So, you can seek God, you can believe, you can trust, but not long. Just like Luke 8 um tells us, there were those that believed, but believe temporarily. Well, the person that believed temporarily didn't have the Holy Spirit in them, didn't have a regenerated heart, but they were they but it still and that didn't preclude them from having the ability to believe or to trust. >> Right? So my my um question from that would be because even in the New Testament when God is given the when Jes God go God Jesus right when Jesus is given the like the parables right and there is parts where said believing for a while right so the idea of a person hearing the news believing and then it being taken away it being choked out it not finding good soil that is evident in the New Testament but specifically for what I'm saying is that when it comes to total depravity specifically, unless I am missing it, but from my understanding, they're speaking about the nature of man, does man have a nature that would lead them to salvation without the interference of God? >> Oh, now if we look at it that way, that that there has to be some sort of help by God. Um, yes, there has to be something done by God. But let me ask you a question. >> What do you think about this? Now, this is all hypothetical, but we're just we're we're we're playing that we think this actually had not could have happened, but did it happen? So, let's pretend we are you and I are there on the day of atonement. >> Mhm. >> And we've been talking to Percy, our buddy. Percy, you've been living wrong. You've been living bad. We want you to go ahead and get yourself right with God. Percy, you know what? You're right. You're right. I am I'm I'm I've been having all these issues and so now I'm going to um commit myself to following after Yahweh. >> So, here we are. We're we're together on the day of atonement. He has Percy has humbled his soul, afflicted his soul. He's fasted and he really believes in the power of what God is doing on that day. The high priest comes out, everything's good. God has God has accepted the offering. Percy is in right standing, right? >> I don't know. >> Well, assuming that he did every assuming that Py believed. >> Yeah, he did everything that was required. >> Like what was require? Are you talking about pre or post Jesus? Cuz >> No, the day of atonement. No. On the day of atonement. >> The final day. >> On the day. No, no, no. on the day of atonement under the law. >> Oh, under the law. >> Under the law, he did everything that was that's what that was that was required. He did everything. >> He showed up. He has humbled his soul, afflicted his soul. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And the offering was accepted. So, all of his sins were professed on the head of the scapegoat. The blood was shed to pay for his sins. So, now he's atoned for. The priest goes in and make intercession for him and everyone else. and he's done his part where his soul is bowed down and he realized I need this and he believes that God he believes that God has accepted the offering because the priest says hey we're I'm alive so everything's good right so on that day is Percy I'm sorry Clavus is Clavus atoned for on that day if he if if Percy to die that day would his sin be atoned for >> yeah if he believed by by faith and that seems like a roundabout But that's what's the Bible said like if he hold if he believed by faith then he would be saved because >> Exactly. So according to the Bible works >> he wouldn't he wouldn't be saved. >> According to the Bible though on that day Clavis is atoned for. >> Mhm. >> Do you think anybody did that and then died a week or two weeks or a month later? >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay. I believe so. >> And in the meantime, God didn't do anything extra for that person. There was there was no prophet to come around to convict him or anything. He just died. Maybe he was old. >> So what was the work that the Lord did in him? Nothing. >> The work that they did in him. >> Yeah. What was the work that the Lord did? >> Remember, you know, the the key the key point about that, you know, because Paul mentioned it as well. Why the Jews during that time failed? because they pursued it as if it was by works. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> So the the the the caveat that I mentioned is that it has to be you would have to do it as if by faith and we know well from my belief. >> Did all Jews do that as though it's it's it's it's a it's accomplished by works. Did all Jews? So it's just a general statement but Paul is highlighting of the ones that failed right the ones that failed were that are the ones that did it as if it was >> by >> but some but some had but some exercised faith right >> so if and that's the scenario that I'm giving right >> if it is done as if it was by faith right according to the scriptural definition of faith right this is the cuz I Um it's it's hard for me to read the the King James, right? Is the assurance, right? >> Mhm. >> The assurance and the conviction of things that see and from scripture, from my understanding, this is something that the Lord gives us. >> But hold on, hold on. It's not something that we must up. >> Hold on. Let's stay in the Old Testament. >> Hold on. >> Right. So staying in the Old Testament, that's the thing. Like staying in the Old Testament >> Mhm. It's like it's it's hard to say that we're going to stay in the Old Testament because Paul is explaining pretty much why some failed then. So it's like revelation to clear up just like in Hebrews it mentioned that >> this why this why I'm giving this example was something of times to come. >> This is why I'm g that person necessarily believe like because I did this I'm going to be saved. What if >> he's not believing in the Old Testament he's not believing in what he he's done. He's believing in what God has done. God has God has given the offering and God has accepted the offering. So he's believing that all he's doing he's he's believing in the Old Testament on the day of atonement because the day of atonement is ordered before Deuteronomy 29. Now obviously all this is pretty this is all at the same time but still at that time God has not given God has not done anything to their heart. So there's nothing internally that God is doing in the children of Israel at that time. So if you believed at that time, it wasn't because of something internally that's happening to you. >> But that's what I'm saying in regards to it. That's where I would um disagree. Right. >> What has God done internally? >> That's what I would disagree with. So the the premise that I put forth would be the premise that um if you were able to address that specifically then I would say all right this is something I would need to consider right because the contrast that Paul did right if a person was to do these steps as if it was by works and not by faith right there is a clear contrast and then >> no okay hold on hold on in the old testament their their atonement was definitely by faith No, but Paul mentioned that they failed because in Romans that they did it as >> Did all of them fail? Did all of the Jews fail? >> So there's a separation there, right? Cuz if some didn't fail and some failed, there's a separation. >> Okay, but hold on. Did all the Jews fail? Yes or no? >> In my estimation, I don't believe that all of them. >> Okay, so there are some Jews that didn't fail. those Jews that didn't fail >> fail >> going all the way back to the day of atonement. >> Yes. >> Did they fail? I mean they they they didn't fail because they believed in the offering, right? >> Yes. And it would have been done. So the reason why they wouldn't fail one moment. >> All right. So they didn't fail and yet God hadn't given them a regenerated heart. >> But that's the connecting that's the connecting part that we're we're we're talking about. Right? Similarly with cuz from the the and it's one thing that I realized when going through Romans or just listening to Jesus speak it's one gospel through line. It's the same gospel that David believed in. It's the same gospel that we believed in. Right? And that's how they are forgiven with that one sacrifice. So my mention is that and this is the the the key part that um you would need to address to pretty much get through to what I'm saying. >> Okay? >> There is a separation there, right? So Paul in Romans outlined that there are some that failed. So I agree with you. It's like even though it doesn't explicitly state that all the Jews, even though Paul said it in a general sense like they failed, I believe that there are some people that did it in right standing cuz there is even mention of it with God when he said that he kept for himself, some that didn't bow the need to b. So there was always a remnant that existed in the group that was doing things faithfully. they weren't all um cast aside, right? >> But Paul mentioning that there is one side that did it as if it was by works. We can agree that those that side failed. >> And then there is other side that did it as if it was by faith. And there's examples. You have Abraham. Um there's some other examples. I can't remember it off the top of my head. My saying is that with the introduction of faith, right, from what I've seen in the New Testament as it speaks about faith, faith is in something that mankind generates on their own. It is something done by the will of God. So if it's to say that these people believed in the atonement and were justified, right, that justification, well, I won't go off on a tangent, but maybe it's something you can cover later on, right? If they believed by faith in that atonement, right, and they died, I believe that they would have been saved because they did it as if by faith. Now, with the introduction of faith, I don't believe that there can be faith without God from what I read in the New Testament. So, in order for you to say that, you believe in that specific hold faith without God. >> Hold on. You said there cannot be faith without God. Yes, that's my um understanding of >> So, this is why I I love this these these sets of passages. Luke 8 12 and 13 and 14. They have faith without God. >> Um can you bring it up so I can um have it for later? >> Okay, let me put on the screen 8 starting 12. >> Those beside the road are those who have heard the devil have heard. Then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart so that they will not believe and the word is is really to be believing pistoantes and be saved. Those on the rocky soil are those who when they hear and receive the word look what it says they receive with joy. These have no firm root. They believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. So here we've got an example of someone who can believe temporarily and fall away. We know that they are not with God because their heart hadn't been changed. >> So, so, so he, so it's possible to believe, but what we see, especially now in this dispensation, that you can't believe continuously. There's got to be something because of the kind of people that we are, human beings, something's going to cause you to stop along the way to stop believing, right? So that's what that's what what's happening now. God is going to regenerate our heart. So when I believe my brand new heart being touched with the word, I'm going to hold on to it and forever. But what about the Old Testament where they did not have a regenerated heart? At the very least, they didn't have one up to the time of Deuteronomy 29:4. God hadn't given them a heart like that. So how did they believe? Well, there needs to be something external to cause them to not believe, but to keep believing. Something has to be in place to keep them holding on to their their faith. So, God will use exterior means or external means, I'm sorry, external means. And so in my little scenario, my hypothetical, what if someone believed on the day of atonement, they're atoned for. And whatever external means God is going to use, it doesn't happen for this guy because he dies before it happens. Now, I know it's an odd scenario, but it's possible that, and I'm pretty sure there have been people on the Day of Atonement who maybe a week later, a month later, who knows, died. Still in right standing, but they died. They were old at the time. So, it's possible to keep it's possible to believe temporarily. Now, the difference between the old covenant and the new is that there won't be a new sacrifice given year after year after year. We've only got one sacrifice in the new. But under the old, we've got these multiple offerings, these multiple sacrifices, these multiple atonements. So, there's a difference. >> So, when I mess up, guess ahead. >> I was Are um Are you using faith and belief interchangeably? Am I getting like the definitions wrong? Because faith and same thing >> it's it's so it's interchangeably. >> Yes. >> So the definition given in Hebrews I believe it's 11 11:1 or 10:1 Hebrews 11 in regards to it's referring it. So you're saying throughout scripture faith and believe >> they're interchangeable. Believe and faith is it's the same it's the same Greek word >> could be interchangeably. >> It's yeah it's the exact same Greek word. Now it can be used as a verb or a noun that makes it different. Like belief can be the set of beliefs but I got to believe in the set of beliefs. So if I'm using the verb the verb for for belief is the same as having faith. So same word. Okay. So if it's the very same thing, right? So cuz I'm I'm thinking about it this way, right? Throughout the Old Testament, all who we seen God use to fulfill his his plan, right? His plan of salvation are people that was just living in the fallen world as it is and he comes to them. And then through Abraham specifically, he said that Abraham believed and it was counted to him as righteousness. In that very same passage you say that interchanging faith and um belief would be the same. But later on when when it was being described I think when it was going in regards to the list of faith it they were using examples of different people believe it was in the same Hebrew like after the definition it gives the list of everyone that was using faith whether bringing his son. So he believed, but then it was through faith. That's that's what that's what I was saying like this. It was through this that this person did this. It was through this that the person when the war was going on and the they snuck in and the lady hid them. I don't remember the the specific names. Say that it was through faith that she did this. It was through faith and going on and going on and going on. And I'm looking at it as in belief is cuz having belief is um I was always looking at it from the perspective of knowledge and then faith is the assurance that God giving that God will come through. >> Faith and always looking interchangeably. How would you like put it in that way where >> it's always faith and belief are always pred I mean it's always predicated upon knowledge. You can't believe something if you have no working knowledge of what it is you believe in. So, so I believe here's my example that I always use. I believe in this chair. I have faith in this chair. Same thing. Meaning I'm tired. My feet hurt. My legs hurt. I need a place to If only there was a place or something that I can take a load off and rest my legs and then get some work done. Oh, look. There's a chair. So, I believe in this chair. I trust this chair. I have faith in this chair. So much so that what do I do? I sit down. Now, how do I know I really have faith in this chair? I really trust this chair. I really um have belief in this chair. Is when I sit down, I don't get a wide base and brace myself. I don't grab a hold of the desk. I don't run some wire from the ceiling down to my chair to hold it up. I just trust the chair will sustain me. So when I trust the chair can sustain me, you know what I'll do? I begin to work. I begin to do things. I can move around. I can relax. I can abide in this chair. If I lose confidence or faith in this chair, the chair starts to, you know, move or whatever and it shifts. I get up. I used to believe. Nothing made me believe in this chair. I just had I just believe in the chair. I can believe in the Lord. What's going to keep me believing in the Lord? I believe what the writers say about the gospel that he died for my sins. I need I believe that you and I both know people who believe that Jesus died for our sins. We We know folks who believe that they are sinful people and that Christ had to pay the debt. We know folks that believe that but still aren't saved. I can know something's true, but I have not entrusted myself to what I know is true. That's what faith is. That's what true faith is. Versus the people who Yeah, I know it is. I I believe that. We can't tell that they haven't fully entrusted themselves to it. We I can't know that. You can't know that. So, here I am. I haven't fully entrusted myself to this chair. I have not. Looks like I have to you, but you can't see that I'm holding on to my desk. You can't see that I got my feet wide just in case this thing falls. You can't see that I I I plucked up underneath here an actual stone so if this thing falls, it'll rest on it. I've made every precaution to keep me. That's not faith. There is no such thing as faith where I'm doing the work to keep myself. Did I just preach or something? Someone should have caught what I just said. That's not faith. If I'm if I'm making extra precautions just in case what God did fails in the Old Testament, they simply believe that's all they had to go off of. God said it, the priest comes out alive. All right, we good to go. All right, cool. I believe that. Problem is though, if I live another 8 months, I might I'm probably going to sin a lot. But if I live another eight hours and die, I die in right standing. So how would you differentiate from the people doing it as if it was by works? >> So these people who you mean the Old Testament who did it by works? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the Old Testament did it by works cuz everything hinges on faith, right? That's what Paul said. They failed because they he was comparing us the Gentiles that didn't follow all these rules yet we get to commit. So, here's how you know. Here's how you know that they didn't believe that it was just kind of wrote. It was just kind of robotic. It was just, yeah, because we're Jews. Now, they got to see the hand of God deliver them over and over and over again. They were a little too arrogant and confident, such as was the case with u in the battle of Ai where Achen, I'm going to take this stuff and I'm I'm good. I'm a Jew. We're going to be all right. They put more focus in the fact that they were Jewish and that God was the God of Israel. The God of Israel was God. And so God got God's got us. There's nothing more for me. And and and by the way, I don't want to do anything. So if you really have faith in the Lord, which means you would love him. >> Mhm. >> What would you do? The same thing that you would do for your kids or your spouse. I don't have to do anything for my wife, but I do things for my wife. Why? Because I love her. >> Right. >> Um and vice versa. So the Jews didn't the Jews did not they didn't they didn't regard God in their heart like was told to them to do in Deuteronomy. >> And and what you're saying is some of them right because >> it's some of them did some of them didn't cuz that's what we agree on. Right. Correct. >> So cuz I don't want cuz I know I've already taken up so many times. There's two things I want to point out then I then I'll go. Right. What is the difference between sorry mosquitoes are going crazy right? So what is the difference between a person that in that specific atonement situation right because for me uh I'm on the perspective that it is God that gave them that assurance. It is not something that came out of the human heart which is from the mention in Genesis before and after the flood. this is what their their hearts are on continuously. So from that heart for them to come out that I'm going to genuinely believe in God. Um I don't believe that it's I believe that assurance is granted to them by the Lord. That is why they can um believe in him. However, if it's the case where it's of solely up to human A believe, human B don't believe, what causes human A to be different from human B? And ultimately, would that person's salvation hinge on their understanding, their knowledge, or would it hinge on God? So my perspective would be when would God um when would predestination take place? Would it be God chosen before the foundation of the world or in that specific time it was those who would believe versus those who wouldn't believe apart from God? >> Okay. So the I don't know what God would have been doing to be working in a person's life. meaning I don't know if hey you're in this family and this family are they're they're faithful because if I've got a faithful mother and a faithful father that's going to help me out a lot if I've got a father that makes sure that I am u walking correctly because in those days you know often times the the son would still be in the house until marriage and even sometimes even after that. >> Yeah. So maybe that may maybe that's something that God did. I'm not saying that God doesn't do anything or didn't do anything to keep them walking. He he he definitely did. He would do things externally, but he didn't do things as far as we can tell. And there's no scripture tells us that he did anything internally. So maybe he gave me a good father. Maybe he caused the crops to grow well or maybe cause the crops to go bad and I had to work extra hard and certainly depend on him. Don't know. May maybe an angel came. Maybe the prophet there could be anything that God did externally. But we don't have one scripture that speaks about him doing something internally. So >> Oh, I get what you're I get what you're saying now in regards to that. But my my thought of it would be how would you reconcile that with the Lord saying that and I'm just this is something I need to improve and learn in the scripture. When God mentioned before the flood that he looked on the world and saw that the the hearts of men is desperately wicked and their thoughts >> continually evil >> and then afterwards right cuz this is the thing afterwards the very same group that he preserved to continue his works. This a similar statement was made after the flood as well in regards to that. So my perspective would be how would you reconcile human beings being in this state and then from further revelation in the New Testament we know that people that aren't saved are being ens snared by the devil being used to do his will right how would that from that very heart come a belief that would be internally right that come a belief an assurance in believing in that god to keep them long enough until they pass right because From from what I'm getting from your perspective, it's that at some point with how the human condition is, they would stop believing. And I agree, right? Because if you don't have that good heart that the Lord promised as a part of his plan, right? The justification plus a good heart that would allow you to to love the Lord, right, and genuinely love the Lord and continue with the Lord. How would that person in that state, right? Cuz I'm talking from Genesis, right, with how God described man. And this is the very same people that he saved, right? Um who was Noah? Noah and his family. These are the people that he said that what would God use to make them keep this internally? What would God how what would make them keep believing? >> No. Like where does this belief and and and assurance in God would come from out of a heart that is desperately wicked and is just every intent is >> every intent um every intention of the heart is doing this. How would God that heart >> without >> God can here's what God can do. God can make a believer out of you. God can sh God can rescue you. He can perform miracles or signs before you. He can he can deliver you and you're like, "Wow, yeah, this is awesome. I trust you." After a while, the the the thrill, as I say, the thrill is gone. It it fades. So, keep thinking about all the things. Just think about everything that God did in the Old Testament that he doesn't do now. >> Mhm. You ain't seen somebody part the Red Sea or a lake or a creek. You haven't heard God thunder from heaven. You might have seen some thunder, but you haven't heard him. You haven't been led out of out of Egypt by a pillar of fire and a pillar of clouds. You haven't had a prophet come, a true prophet come before you and lead you. You haven't had judges show up. You haven't seen or heard from the angel of the Lord or angels. You haven't been thrown into captivity and then be delivered by God. So there are different things that God would do that he's not doing today cuz today we have the Holy Spirit that resides in us. We have a regenerated heart. Remember the promise was always from God that I will do this to your heart then. So he didn't he had done it then. So think about all the things that that he that he would have to do to make people keep believing or to keep fighting for these for these people Israel. And part of us was to show that how how disobedient the heart is, how bad the heart is, how how uh unreliable the heart is. And so what does he give us? He gives us these the days of atonement. He gives us these offerings. Oh, so let's say in 6 8 weeks or 7 8 months I mess up. What do I do? I've I can also give my own offering. I can give my own sin offering. We don't have that now, do we? So he >> But that's the thing. The difference is like my question will always be like why does it work on some and doesn't work on the others? Right. >> Well, that that will never know. I I couldn't begin to answer that. But here's what I can tell. I I can tell you though. So, they're in this community. So, let's say you and I are in this community and I'm not doing right. I'm falling off. Well, what what what do I have? I've got you and others looking at me. And so I've got I've got because I've violated a law, an aspect of the law, then I've got to I got to make amends because you're telling me, heck, there's even the threat of being killed by these particular uh because of these particular sins. So if I again as sexually active as as we are today, we'd all be dead then, right? So there is this external threat. Sometimes God doesn't have to do anything, just the threat of it. People in prison don't do a lot. Some Some do. When guys are in prison and they do bad things in prison, they do it because the guard's not watching. >> People in the world, they do bad things because the police are not watching. There's no And there's no So there's no threat for consequences. Sometimes I don't need an angel or a prophet. All I need is just a threat. The the consequences. if I do this, I'll die. So, I'm not going to do it. And people are watching me. So, there's an external um control that's there also. Now, why would somebody still decide I'll go ahead and do it anyway? I don't know. I can't I can't tell you why some would and some wouldn't. We do know that most didn't though. We know that most people didn't remain faithful. >> So, and so because I I was an atheist before, right? M >> and the one thing that keeps me humble whenever I go to speak to a person I know that it was not of me the the day in which my heart changed the previous day I was the a god-hating person so it wasn't something that I came to an intellectual realization >> right and the fact that I believed something which in the eyes of the world is ridiculous right >> and it never leave there is an assurance there is a a joy where I wake up every day knowing that the Lord loves me and in this love I've been saved. Right? So, it's something that >> stays with me and I know, right? It might just be personal experience, but I know I didn't do anything special or cuz I was like a not the agnostic type of atheist. I was the slandering God type of a atheist that just goes out of him his way to like even try to destroy other people's belief. And then from just reading the scripture like going to the scripture to try to prove my friend wrong cuz he challenged me that how can I say I don't believe in something I don't know. I said I'm going to go into the scripture. I'm going to know and then I'm going to tell him I don't believe. And from there um God changed my heart. And this the thing too as well for for example with Moses right Moses messed up so he wasn't able to go over into the promised land but through scripture he didn't say that he didn't believe if you get what I'm saying. >> Mhm. >> So Moses lived a full life from that perspective because he went up he lived and lived and lived and throughout that time with him being God's chosen right with God choosing him God working with him. And if you look throughout the scripture, it's not the first time Moses messed up. Moses asked God if he was their mother. I think I I remember reading it and I was like, Moses is playing a very dangerous game cuz he was complaining to God as well throughout some parts of the journey. But throughout the scripture, it never stated that he stopped um believing. And like what is the difference? Well, there's a huge difference between Moses >> regular man. >> Well, there's a huge difference. God's talking to Moses. Huge difference. Listen. Say what you want to say. >> Aaron Aaron Aaron went God almost well, God almost destroyed him. And Aaron was someone that was very close in regards to >> to Moses process, right? >> But did God speak to But hold on. God didn't speak to Aaron. God didn't speak to Aaron face to face. But the times that God did that Aaron did have with God seemed to have helped him. He was better off than others. Doesn't mean that he wouldn't want to do wrong. I mean, heck, you're saved. You want to do wrong from time to time. So, yes, >> but let's be honest. If God is talking to me, I'm going to do it. If God come and says, "Corey, leave Dallas and go to Wyoming." I'm I'm I'm walking there right now. If God talks to me, if he talk, you telling me that you won't move on. Who in the Bible did God speak to and move? They didn't move. They That's what's gonna happen. Same thing with Abraham. Same thing with Isaac. Jacob, right? Jacob is a jerk. And God wrestles with him. All right, you got me, Lord. You got me. So, same thing with Nebuchadnezzar. If God shows up, the actual God shows up and speaks to you, you're moving. So, there's a difference between him. But what about the regular person? So, I can't tell you what's behind every person's heartfelt decision. I don't know. Couldn't tell you. So, but listen, I I I got to go ahead and run. I got to take a couple more questions before I before I leave. Um >> All right. Thank you so much um for your time. I think I have I have an understanding of where you're coming from in in regards to it. My my like parting statement would be that I believe similarly to how God does it now, right? Where he can save a wretch like me that's been spending what 25 26 years just hating um on God and he just changed my heart. I believe that the same way in which it's from a heart perspective where one person can see the signs, see the miracles and harden their heart and other person doesn't. I believe it's the same method in which he used now is the same method he was using then. Right. >> Only problem is >> that's my perspective >> and only only problem is I would say this and you might be right. You just got you just have to find a verse to prove it. Amen. >> All right. All right brother. You take care.