Waterbury Municipal Meeting - August 18, 2026 - Selectboard

This is the meeting of the water for August 18th, 2026. We're going to open the meeting. Uh review and approve the agenda. Are there any changes to the agenda? Do >> you want to make those a couple announcement at the end? >> Yeah, I have that. So, I was going to do that right after the public. >> Um, all right. I take a Thank you, Roger. >> I'll move to approve the agenda as presented. >> Second. >> All right. Um, did Wes leave? >> Okay. >> All right. I just want to make one announcement. I want to uh compliment Mariah and Wes on their creativity at the recent uh town election. Um I thought it was great that they got the kids involved at the school to choose the next dog license. I for one who have a dog is pretty cool when I never got to pick. [laughter] >> Yeah. So I just thought that was very creative of them and I want to thank them for that. students voted or some people voted. >> Well, what I think Mariah said was that there were some parents that stuck snuck in there to vote for the text. >> Whoa. >> I know. I know there was a limit. >> Sing at the record. Can we actually hold that vote on the agenda, please? >> Yes. >> There was a second. >> Motion second. In >> favor say I. >> I. Um, >> all right. Um, the other thing that we want to announce or do you want to do it or go? >> Um, is we want to recognize Woody that this is his last bow before trying to calm things down for you. Woody, thank you so much for all. [applause] Uh, anyone want to add anything to that? >> All right. Is there any public comment for a topic that is not on the agenda? >> All right. Um, then we'll move to the approve the consent agenda item. >> Oh, sorry. I skipped right over it. Approve the previous minutes for August 8th. Any comments or a motion? It was August 4th. >> Four. Thank you. >> There's too many, you know, August 8th. August 18th. >> Sure. >> I'll second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> All right. Now we can move on to the approve the consent agenda item. Any questions on that? I'll move to approve the consent agenda as written. >> I'll second it. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. Um discussion with the town boards and committees, the planning commission and the development review board. Ah there. Thank you. Um I don't who wants to go first? >> Why don't you go then? >> Yeah. I heard you was here as well and then Katie was obviously here but she was chatting don't get outside. >> All right. >> Hi guys. How's it feel? >> Introduce yourselves for the record please. >> I'm Dana Allen chair >> light. >> Um all right. So since we last chatted we finished the draft of the town plan. um the end of July. This is our target date for finalizing the town. Um so that's now been posted on the town website and we are in the process of figuring out when we are going to do our hearing. So we have one hearing and then following that we get a lot of comments or ideally get a lot of comments during that period. We have to adjust those revise the plan accordingly. Um and then that draft is then presented to the public via the select board process. So you guys will hold two hearings. We get additional comments on the town plan during that process. And then depending on the level of comment and revision necessary um we'll revise again. And then if it's nonsubstantial after your two hearings, um, you know, mostly technical, small things, that sort of thing, um, we may be able to adopt it. We may also have to go, if they're large, substantial revisions, we may have to go back to another hearing. But right now, what we're looking at is our public hearing for comment, some level of revision, and then figuring out when you guys want to do your two hearings. So, I actually missed our last uh planning commission meeting, but it was communicated to me that the 30th of September >> is what we're envisioning. >> Wednesday, September 3rd. >> Yeah. >> Year. Yeah, we would like to do that just to do midweek because our planning commission meetings are Monday night. That's all people. So, we want to get enough public out. We could also do September 29th, Tuesday. >> But that's kind of Yeah, that's kind of what we're thinking. And then as far as like that goes, we're going to need some time after getting all the commentary to kind of go through figure out what the revisions may be. So, I mean, we haven't really talked about exactly what that timeline looks like, but I'd say we'd need at least a couple of hour meetings to figure that out. So, that's >> Yeah, >> exactly. And you guys need a 30-day process anyway for notification for your hearings. >> So, it's at least a month from the end of September before I would imagine you'd want to. >> So, we're talking November or December. >> Yeah, early November or December. early check. >> Um, I have a question. Where does the regional planning commission fit into this schedule in terms of review or comment or >> So, they are reviewing it right now. >> Okay. >> We're hoping to hear back. Um, it would be whenever public could hear back before the first >> before the 1st of September. >> I'm sorry. Before the first public hear. >> Oh, okay. So, if it's September 30, um, whatever date we decide on tonight, I'm going to notify them. >> Okay. >> Um, tonight and say, "We would love it. You could get back to us." They've had it for about a month. So, >> well, they've had certain drafts like they had like draft chapters. Oh no, they do. They do have the whole tire. >> Okay. >> And they they will confirm that it meets all the statutory requirements. Okay. >> And if it doesn't, then that's something those are things that a couple questions >> on the select board hearing. Is it public tonight? Is it that amount of time or separate meeting? We got a budget going on process. So that's a busy time for us. So >> no, you could hold public hearings on whenever you choose. >> We can do it on a separate night. >> Special. >> Yeah. >> Um the other one um it is on the website. Can people email you guys and give them information all along? Yeah. So it's open for anything. >> It's open for comment >> right now. So only >> Exactly. >> Yeah. We will acknowledge the comments like in a public fashion just as part of process. I'm just going to make sure somebody asks and you have to wait for September 30. >> Yeah, you can. >> Does the website say that you know submit comments to you or >> there's a right. Yeah, we actually put together a form >> so that if people are interested in commenting on a specific chapter or chapters, >> they can do that and that'll be logged as part of so it's not just an email from Neil. It's like a Google form thing. >> Yeah. Send me that so I can add website. >> Yes. And we've been waiting on that push to get until we had our hearing gates session because we've got a bunch of we've got various things for outreach. >> But yeah, hearing dated. >> Anyone else has some Sandy? >> Oh, Carrie. Carrie, you want to turn your camera on and join us? >> Yeah. Hang on. >> Can you see me? >> Nope. Sorry. Trying. >> Okay. Well, you can't see me, but can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Okay. So my question is specifically that will the town of Waterberry be compliant with the central regional Vermont planning commission plans. I mean, and I know that they override the town plans will override what you have uh planned, but I I think that that's a big discussion. Um anyway, just just saying. >> Thanks, Neil. Um we have requested that CBRPC approved our town plan. um which is optional, but we've decided that that is the route we're going. So, um they will have to approve our town plan. Um the RPC approves the town plan only after the final adoption, the final version at the select board meeting. So, they will then review it at that point forward. Um as I mentioned earlier, they're reviewing it right now to give us their comments. So that hopefully it makes it easier for them to approve it when it comes time. So that's uh how we're working on it. >> Okay, thank you. I understand that. Um >> Okay, come on up. >> Hi. Um Hi, my name is Sen Larson. I'm on the water conservation commission. When you do decide on the date for the hearing, could you let someone know to update the website? >> Oh, >> perfect. That would be awesome. Thank you. >> We're going to get the word out, so it'll be out. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> Uh, do we want to fix that date now? >> We'd love to >> fix your date. >> Fix our date. And then that gives us it just gives us anchor >> and then you guys can do what you need to do again. >> Y >> 30 days between that and your first hearing I think would be prudent. Um but yeah, we'd love to go for the 30th of September. >> I don't think we they're just going to tell us when they're going to have it. We're not >> Well, we're all here. We can just stick the date. No, I know. But I'm just saying it's not our It's their job to tell us that you want to have it on September 3rd. >> That's what we're asking. Yeah, that's what we'd like to do. >> What time? >> I guess. Okay. >> I missed the meeting. I don't know. I'm sorry. >> All right. So, the plan commission is planning on holding the public hearing for the town new town plan on September 30th, Wednesday at 6 PM here in the steel room. >> All right. There >> all right. Something said >> I said it need to be voted on. >> No, it's not our motion. It's you're telling us >> it's your committee. >> Got it. >> All right. Anything else for the planning commission? Anything else? Uh, you guys don't have anything else going on, Dave? >> Not. Uh, no. Okay. So, real briefly, tech amendments. We're working on those for the existing regulations. Those are with the attorney. He'll be getting back to us soon. Not by our next meeting, but we're going to hopefully be able to roll that in so that statutes are updated, references updated, etc. >> So, that's in process. um ongoing regional plan with CBRPC um >> comments etc. That's an ongoing process. We've started talking about phase 2 bylaws and the process surrounding that. Not any revisions or anything but just like what we want to do as far as how we're going to wrap our arms around that. Yeah, exactly. Um, and then the last thing I think, and correct me if I'm missing anything, um, is the, so I attended a DRB meeting and we had a great discussion about how they can roll in amendments uh, for the phase one bylaw area because those have been current now for a couple years. So there are obviously things that DRB is seeing that may need to be changed. So we discussed the means by which we could do that. So Cheryl put together like a little Google doc and we discussed like how this would roll out. So, this is kind of an ongoing process, but it's great. Like, >> good discussion, good process. We'll keep working it. >> Um, and I know DRB is here tonight, so >> they're next. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you guys. >> That's it. >> One more question. >> Uh, what's going on with the tier one uh A&D discussion? Yeah, [laughter] >> we did get a um so we were looking at uh the CBRPC regional plan and in there there's a link to show um if they received their well not if they received their comments. We we did >> say >> have comments for them and it looks like some of the areas that we would like in tier one be have been included. Um so it has expanded um by >> they made some modifications but it's still a draft >> and there was a discussion surrounding flood zones and river corridors and a revised understanding on their part of how that would play into future land use mapping and >> right I don't think we have definitive guidance on that or recommendations on that but that is in processing >> so CBRPC makes the recommendations to the LURB and the LER is the one that has the final decision. So CVRBC is still working on finalizing their tell me if I'm wrong here, but they're still working on finalizing their future land use map. So Waterberry Fed are Waterberry's comments into the CVRPC, but then the CVRPC had to get it approved. And so when um these folks made the arguments or recommendations for the modifications, they got some push back and some quick like, oh, lur won't go for that. But I think that the arguments were were really valid and at least and they're on the record and the lur still has a chance to push back or we you know water has a chance to make it out here as well. >> Okay. And that doesn't that's just sort of another layer >> on top of the town plan. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Ongoing negotiation. >> Arthur for the public. Can you talk about blurb? Can you >> Oh, land use review board. >> Okay. >> It's the It's the governor's group that to modify act 250. >> Katie, you got to come up. Sorry. rules of the road here. I've learned uh Kate Gallagher with the question. Um I believe that CDRPC has finalized the pre-application to send to the land use review board. So it's now going through the pre-application phase. There will be public hearing opportunities. If people are interested in that process and then the land use review board provides the RC comments that'll come back to us and have another kind of round with more. >> Do you know the time? >> Right. I could send it to you. It's on their website, but I did not >> It is They are up for public comment now. >> I saw that announced the other day. Uh yeah. So >> I I think there's a hearing on September 8th. >> Wait, hearing for blur or for >> There's another one on the floor, too. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> I just saw that. I I'm still >> I'm going to move things along here. But Monica has Did you have something you wanted to say? >> Oh, okay. >> I want to get Harry up here. >> Giving us 10 minutes here. >> Alex is our vice chair. [laughter] Oh, that's right. to say anything here. >> Thank you folks for all coming in. Introduce yourselves for the record please. >> Alex stol with me. >> Monica Khal. >> How are things going on the DRB? Been busy summer. >> Our business done pretty well. >> Yeah, I would say it's not as busy as we've ever been, but pretty steady. I'll just say that the book of business that goes uh before the zoning department and and and Cheryl is much broader and and the stuff that we're know being engaged on. There haven't been any major challenging or controversial projects recently and so it's been pretty >> Are you looking for one? [laughter] >> Not particularly at all. Yeah. >> No, I think that's about right. Um, >> how are things going with the planning commission? I think your input I I'll be honest, I served on the DRB for about 10 or so years and then moved over to the planning commission for another five or six. And I think it's really helpful to have the DRB feed real life situations to the planning commission. So, I really hope you engage with them. That is happening. >> Great. Yeah. No, there's um Cheryl has made a whole form and it's getting filled out to go >> also to have mom serving on. >> Yeah, >> there's some big cross cards there. Uh sometimes these things come up during the deliberations in a specific application or something when you stumble on it and it's important made over. Yeah. Right. I mean, that's little piece of it. So, we're trying and and came to one of our meetings a month or so ago, maybe six weeks now. And we got to spend, you know, quality half hour, 45 minutes, kind of just >> sharing thoughts. Um, which I think should be. >> Yeah. I think they're just getting into kind of starting up their, you know, revision of the regulations and so >> phase two is going to be a whole different animal, >> right? >> Well, there's that piece of it, too. But I I would also remind I think I spoke on this one the last time we we had a chat that what we're really kind of tangling with now particularly south of the highway is you got kind of the original zone bylaw kind of got the you know the fifth ed amendments right that uh came about by town initiative but then there was also everything associated with 47 that actually creates some kind of superseding layers in things and uh it's not always easy to discern some of that. Uh so you know world in that uh next wave that looking at this kind of figures out one code right that merges in all these things if some of it is you know acquired back 47 is what it is but >> I think that was probably one of the more interesting that we had recently which was right on Main Street and it was kind of I don't think any of us were really crazy about it, but we all knew that were we to deny it, it would be approved under it was just I mean it was kind of the exact project that I think the state is looking for. Uh and it was just kind of it it felt a little off to some of us. >> Was it not consistent with our town bylaw? I I think it was I think it was >> parkinged it and uh and the plan just a north sheet project here uh was a 9 unit and the plan was basically they had each unit had its own parking space which is was basically their garage. Um, and there wasn't really very good parking and circulation >> for, you know, if they if they, you know, parked in front of their garage door instead of in the garage. >> And, um, >> that's tough. and we weren't really able to try to help get to a better solution because they met [clears throat] up with the act 47 stuff. They they said that, you know, they visitors who might be visiting those nine homes, you know, would be able to park at the post office and walk in. And uh and so [clears throat] that's I think was some of the things that kind of gave us some discomfort, but I don't know that we had really any >> interesting >> any flexibility and you know getting to that without looking at the zoning bylaw or or the upgrade phase one stuff, you know, having to supersede with Act 47 was a little torturing. Thank you. >> I want to say you weren't really fully develop. >> Any other questions? Roger. >> Uh I recollect when we were passing the phase one bylaws that the zero setbacks were object of concern and I'm wondering if that has played out to continue to be a concern of the DRB. Um I don't think there's been probably one or two isolated instances where I think it's kind of all our attention or you know this is zero setbacks means zero setbacks. >> Yeah. >> Um I mean you can touch >> Yeah. >> Um I understand I think we all want more housing downtown. I certainly rather see it in our downtown than farther and farther up the mountain. um it's going to play out neighbor to neighbor and I think that's where it's going to get student and you know I can think of one instance where one neighbor was pretty upset with their neighbors plan to put an additional that it was just going to dump all the snow directly into her driveway and right against our housing zero setback is zero setbacks >> that's what it says >> is that one of the modific applications that is being uh considered amendments. I think it is. Yeah, >> we haven't gotten too far down that process. >> We don't need consider from like a zoning bylaw, you know, perspective. That's one of a functional like you you can't construct foundations on property lines without having it neighbor, right? And uh so you get into other kinds of things >> building code issues if you're building you know within 10 foot of a setback you're into different types of materials and fire ratings and and you have actual incumbrances on your neighbor. Um and so you know there's these kinds of practicality things that you know they can say we we hope we get the goal in many cases it can probably be worked out. Well, it was a public safety yesterday, too. >> And I guess personally, I just could say, you know, your experiences conveying those to uh the planning commission as they write the rules, if you will, is just immensely immensely important. >> That one good conversation. >> Great. >> Anything else from the select board? Anything else you guys want to tell us? >> Uh, I would just off show advancing. We got really good staff. >> We had good fun. She did a good >> what she does. >> Yeah, she's really grown into the job. >> Nice. Thank you. >> I would second that. probably. >> All right. Thank you guys for coming in. It's very helpful to have you come and talk what's happening. >> All right. Um Woody. >> Yeah. So, I can go over some general items happening in the public works world. Um you may remember several meetings back you approved some work on border deter state would be doing on glass four roads that's all started down there so most of you won't encounter it but um they'll be doing a lot of work up there on the glass floor road and other places uh to control storm water and erosion and what have you. So um that started just recently. Arthur is actually down on the lower part of Little River Road graveling that. That's one of Celia's big graveling projects for the summer. Um she's graveling Little River Road. Um we've got another public works project that will be starting shortly, replacing a section of sidewalk on Elm Street um from the Beer Seller to 21 Elm, making that a 5ft sidewalk matching up good with the Rando Street area. Um, we've completed some of the downtown transportation fund grant work, the historic lighting on Bidwell Lane. There's a little more to do, some sidewalk work still to do with that, but that's progressing. Um, we also have [sighs] completed, and I won't go into too much detail, the summer w programs over with now. Very successful. Erica and her staff did a wonderful job. Um, and something I'll be letting you know later on is they saved us, you know, what I would consider a substantial amount of money with the chlorine at the pool with the way they tackled that. Um, a lot of kudos go to Sam and Erica, Heather at the pool. Um, as well as Dylan who does some of the or monitoring. Um, as well as the water department staff. But um substantial savings on that and it created a much better quality swimming environment this summer. Uh no algae issues, no no big things happening there. So it's um while Erica is not here, I would say she had a very successful sub pool's closed. >> Pool's closed. Um, moving on to the project updates. Randall Meadow, some of you are on the email chains about selection of the consultant. Um, I'm hoping we can iron that out soon as there is wetland work and other times sensitive work that needs to be done during the growing season um, post corn chopping supplime. So, um, we're almost there. We need to select somebody, but um, we had two different proposals. >> Is there a contract? >> Not yet. >> Okay. >> They're ready to move forward if we go the way we thought would go. Um, Stanley Wson update on that. Dick told me they have started their market study work and etc. on that area down there. Other than that, basic two sentences from them. That was all that came for an update. So, um on Woody Avenue, we had our introductory meeting with Wayman Lamp here and all the participants involved in there. They were very excited. They went to the site, took a lot of pictures. We started exchanging a lot of documents. Um, one of their first queries was to Cheryl and Neil as far as zoning and what's allowed there, what would you like to see there? Um, you know, there's a lot of public outreach that has to happen on that site as well. Um, so they've all that work has begun up there on Woody Avenue. Um, FEMA buyouts, as you saw, the two houses on Union are gone. There's been a little issue with how they were restored, the grade, etc. Um, they've had to contractor had to come back, do a little extra work. Um we're still waiting on buyouts on 38 Union which lies in between those two vacant lots now. Um the environmental work >> is that Zach supposed to go uh we don't know >> supposed to. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I from my understanding it's in the queue and it's there. Um the residents of 38 would have to accept an offer. They've got a number that >> Okay. >> Um, but the 33 and 35 on North Main Street here were hoping to do the environmental work needed because of the buried tanks at 33 this fall. I spoke with Vermont Emergency Management today. The hope is that that environmental work progresses and that eventually we get a clean bill of health there that so such that the board here can say all right we will we will own those properties >> and then the >> buyouts can continue and >> the VDM said his hope was by spring we have >> but the tanks remove >> uh it's all speculation now there's Oh, >> perhaps three tanks there. >> Okay. >> We don't know if they're empty. We're assuming they're empty. We're Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we won't know till they do the environmental work and see if >> emergency management does the environmental work. >> They hire No, they hire >> Well, they hired out. Yeah, I know. But they're clean. >> Yeah. And the money's there to do all that work. So, that should progress. The question will be what sort of remediation has to happen >> before we decide if it's safe for us to only >> level it. >> Um and some of the other FEMA bios you may have read in the roundabout some of those are queued up but you know waiting on waiting on Yeah. >> Right. Good luck. >> Yeah. >> Um that's about it. I've been in touch with the new manager setting up a little Yeah. time to meet before she gets here hopefully. >> Um, office staff, everything's wonder going wonderfully. We are having a little retirement party for Beth on Thursday noon in this room. Um, but Mariah is doing excellent work. Wes is doing good work and think Cheryl has started to utilize Mariah to help lessen your burden. Mariah had a little can do a little filing and she's doing some grant work for us. Um yeah, so we're we're plugging away. >> Um is there any way the going back to the first couple of items that you mentioned that like the work that Sel is doing? Is there any way to get that posted like on the website to say we're going to be out here, we're going to be out there, we're traveling? I just think it'd be nice to tell the people. Yeah, we we t Lisa typically reaches out and we give Cheryl some direction when we know where we're going. Um anytime. >> Yeah. I mean, and full disclosure, the work on Woodard Hill that the state is doing, you know, they notified me the morning before, you know, will be I mean, I knew I knew it was coming. >> Yeah. Right. We knew it was coming. I just think it'd be nice if folks >> Yeah. We typically try to get some of that stuff out in advance. Little River is not as much of a worry because it's not a >> No, but I think it's more just to let people know you're out there. I mean, I know when you're graing Ripley Road, but nobody else I mean, only the people that are on Ripley Road know when you're gra and you guys do such a beautiful job. I just think it'd be nice to let the community know. >> It It is nice. I will say everything some things are fluid but not you know we put out that we will be grading fireill road on Tuesday and all a sudden >> rain I don't even think you need to be that specific just that you know in the next week or so you're headed that direction but just I think >> no we can do a lot >> wait a minute Carrie you're applauding or you have a question Carrie, you're on mute. >> Yeah. No, no, I know. I'm applauding. I'm saying thank you for being so transparent. >> Yeah. I just think it would be helpful. >> Yep. Um Sandy, did you have something? Oh, Roger, it must have been in your hand, actually. Okay. Um, yeah, Mike Dy, executive director of community resilience for the Waterbury area, uh, suggested that we have a standing item in the agenda, uh, on updates on resilience efforts and mitigation. you just gave one gave us several um but I'm just wondering if we're looking for something more than this or if that satisfies what what we need. He he was taking us from an example in Barry City, I believe it is, uh where there's obviously a lot of flood mitigation efforts going on and people are more than curious about what what's happening, what's the stage of the development of all these different projects. And I do hear a lot a lot of questions about what's going on with Random Meadow. you know, I trying to say like, yeah, there's going to be a lot of uh hurry up and waits here because it's a big project and there's a lot of studies and so forth that have have to happen. So, just want to see if you had any particular thoughts on that. >> Yeah. No, Mike's point is taken. I mean, Barry does have what 123 crossings that are right, >> you know, [clears throat] buyouts and other things with that small minimum. as you said, a lot of these things are they're going to take time. Okay. >> I I think my takeaway from [clears throat] Mike's email actually and I just asked Dana if he would come up and sit here as part of the planning commission is really why I'm asking here is um Barry has a resiliency plan plan a a very um well ststructuredformational process plan that the select board then can refer to and uh keep sort of a a a moving forward track record. I thought it was very helpful and I think that that would be something that would go into the ballpark of the planning commission to as part of I don't know you know I don't know where the the flood section ended but um the idea of working with crew and coming up with a a resiliency plan I think is actually a good idea and then how that feeds into what Roger was just asking or at least this is the way I see is that these projects, Stanley Boston and Randall Meadow and and other housing efforts are consistent with the resiliency plan. And so I just wanted to sort of tie all of that together with what you were saying, what >> you know, and I read that resiliency plan. It's, as you say, very well put together, but cost some money. >> Oh, yeah. But that's why we can have the planning commission do it. No, that's exactly what the central regional planning commission is doing. They are they are tying in a resiliency like location. So, unless you missed all that. [laughter] Um, yeah, I was there today. I listened to the team and yeah, they are tying in a resiliency land use area. So, >> thanks Carrie. >> Make that a check box. >> And we have CVRPC here. >> Yep. And Doug Doug is there. Yep. then that's exactly what they're doing. So, um I was part of that I was part of that committee today. So, um yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. >> Thank you, Karen. Anything else? >> Um let's see. No. Um, how this is back to your previous meeting. How would you like public works's comments on the interconnections project? Would you like me to send a memo regarding what public works likes about it? [clears throat] >> Good. I would I don't know. I would send them to Duncan so that they get into their cumulative comments >> and CC the board. >> Okay. Oh, just for your record, um, you had an applicant for the natural disaster today. Forward that to you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, I don't um I was hoping to get um our emergency management coordinator. You're still the emergency management coordinator, right? >> As well as I saw Gary was on there, but um >> John John Malter. >> John Malter. Yeah. >> Yeah. I Yeah, I sent them all the stuff. >> Okay. >> Um Yeah. I don't I just was throwing that out there as I don't know how you're proceeding it. I assume it can wait a little long. >> Yeah. Can you can you just touch base with Alex and see if he's >> I did. Did you say >> I know, but what I was going to say was could you get him if he's going to do it, would he do it? I mean, write something that he's not going to do it. >> Alec won't won't do it. Well, >> apply is what I was going to ask. >> Yeah, he will not. He will. I will paraphrase what he said. He said, "If the natural disaster coordinator position falls under public works and answers to me, we will do it. If it doesn't, you won't." >> So, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's his thought. >> That's interesting. >> All right. Is it under any >> Well, I told him I don't think it's under any jurisdiction right now. >> It probably would fall under the town manager, >> right? >> I mean, yeah. Okay. >> Right. >> Oh, interesting. Okay. >> Why don't you tell him to fill out an application that says that on it? >> Yeah. I I spoke to him today, you know. >> Yeah. All right. then we have something to compare to. I just I that plan or the applicant I asked Woody to forward on to get feedback from uh John Walter and I wanted it to go to Mike. I think it went to Gary Dylan instead, but go to Mike >> and get their feedback as experts in the field and then we can the board can make an informed decision. If there's another applicant, then that should happen again. [clears throat] >> All right. All right. Thanks, Woody. >> Yep. >> Um, I think we can move on to the select board section. There were just two pieces of information I just wanted to get out that we received. One was from Vrans on the paving and I I think that it's already happened but I wanted this was posted on Friday so I thought it would be helpful and then uh the notice about the public hearing for the regional planning commission um uh future land use map and that's was posted and then um so that's just theformational pieces. The other item for the select board is the continuation of the introductory discussion on possible transition process to appointed versus elected town clerk and town treasurer positions. And I want to turn that over to Evan and Sandy andor Sandy. >> You got >> Yeah. >> Wow. You emptied the room. >> No. thought this was a controversial. [laughter] >> So, we had some discussions. We've done some research. Both of us have uh I put together a sort of proposed timeline how this process would go. I don't believe that was posted to the website. >> I don't think I got it. Yeah, >> I sent it to Sandy Friday morning, but it didn't We actually really discussed much after that. >> Well, let's talk about before you get to a timeline, let's talk about what it is you're prop what's being proposed to and I and what did get posted was your VLCT Q&A >> Q&A. And so I would say Sandy that maybe we should be looking at that >> to just generally talk through the concepts and ideas before we get to a timeline. I you know why are why are you talk why are we talking about this okay for example >> well I think part of it is um Evan I said something about uh opening up you know the the pool of applicants um but uh the other thing is I just feel like um with an elected position there's a lot more going on with it than there is was appointed as far as the person and and the employment status because uh first off if you're an elected official and I mean the counselor makes fairly good money if you go for a loan you're an elected official and your term ends at the end of whenever you are you know whatever your term is not as good to So, you know, it's not a fit job, you know, it's not like I've got a job and still give me a loan, >> right? So, it's [laughter] it does right. >> Yeah. You're doing something wrong against it. And you know the other thing is you could have a person two equal people in the town that um maybe one that was a little more qualified but the the person doesn't want to go through having to run. You know they're qualified for the position. They live in Waterberry. They really really want it. It's but they they don't want to run. They don't want to have to deal. I know I think that it's it's hard. Yeah, I mean it's not easy to do that and some people just don't want to but they would be great in an interview or great in the position. So that's another thing that just kind of takes away from it. And I do understand people, you know, wanting to keep it local and opening it up at least, you know, I mean, make one of the decisions that we've got to make is not only changing it to an um appointed position, but also making removing the residency. Um, if we removed the residency and made it an appointed position, it doesn't mean we can't look at Waterberry residents first. Like I said, I feel like people would be more apt to apply for a job that would be a permanent job for them, not have to worry about getting elected in another three years um from popularity contest. I just that's just my thoughts on it. And I I know that. >> Can I ask you a question about the appointed? If is it appointed for a term or is it appointed you're hiring a job? >> It's indefinite, right? Okay. >> No, based upon reviews of annual >> Oh, no. I understand that. But it's not for something, >> right? It's an employment contract for Okay. They're an app. They're not at >> They are can be removed by the >> SL. Okay. They could be. Okay. >> The thing that really put this idea in my head was uh working as an election volunteer two years ago. Uh Garen, the clerk of the tile uh was running her first presidential election. >> Presidential? >> Yeah. And understandably has a lot of mirrors about that and I got my first taste of how many laws and regulations and best practices there are that go into running an election that's free and fair and everything that we want an election to be. And I remember thinking at the time how scary it is, frankly, that we could be losing all of that knowledge and experience every 3 years. Like it's uh >> and again maybe because they don't want to run. >> Yeah. And there's obviously a lot of other things that town clerk does that require certain level experiences as you we're also talking about the treasure position. I guess for me the treasurer position I'm really interested to consider this appointed versus elected for that primarily um from a standpoint of qualifications. You know, I just again to your point, it could be anybody that wants to run but is not qualified and it's a popularity contest that they win but they don't know how to balance a check >> or they don't know how to read a financial statement. And um I think that for the town's benefit having that position be applied for credentials qualified people is uh is really important. >> That's another complicated with you know having signatures on you know bank statements accounts and all that having to change that over I mean there's depth of involvement as a treasurer. >> Yeah. It's all stock, >> right? >> Um, does the town do anybody else have some comments on it? Roger. >> Uh, are you concerned or is your preference to have two different individuals or have it as one unified position? I I'm curious to see um I wouldn't I don't want to answer that at the moment because I want to see one uh what Gracie how Gracie approaches it >> and um also um uh what the job the time requirement is. It might be part-time. Um um it I I don't have a preference to being the same person or different personally. >> The um the treasurer always was, you know, until a few years ago. Um was a part-time position. Um actually it's like stip you know like so much as months. Um and I feel like it is a whole different kind of qualification than >> I think so too. You can >> I mean I could do that but I couldn't do it the treasure I mean the clerk. So I >> there is a whole different >> I wouldn't lean towards them being separate positions but I also wouldn't want to >> I don't I don't I think they should be separate positions whether it's two different people or one person. I don't think we're at that decision point or need to be quite frankly um right to apply. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. Right. >> That's absolutely >> exactly. So, >> so I received pretty strong email somebody. It's like this is the most ridiculous thing, you know, this takes it out of the public responsibility, public vote, you know, let the people decide, you know, and I didn't realize at the time and I didn't respond much. I mean, I said, "We're at the beginning of this process." whatever but ultimately the people correct there has to be a special meeting and it's born and people vote upless >> right so that would get into the process you know so if the people want to have an appointment it's up to the people to say so it is a very democratic it's not like we're dictating and say we're just moving ahead with regardless of >> well I think uh there's two there's two different things in there one is that it's a democratic process to decide whether it's appointed versus elected. Uh but I think that the comment that I saw was that going forward if you if there was uh expressed was eliminating the democratic process of always electing the town clerk and the treasur. So that's a little different than um making this decision because I agree with you. I think this is a time for the town it the town will make a decision not the select board. our decision is to whether we advance this process, >> right? I mean, I think that's where we are. >> Um, do you want to talk about your process then? >> I think that are we are we at a point where we're like um in some consensus to move forward. >> Hi Carrie, go ahead. >> Um, can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Sorry, I'm trying to get my like video going, but it's not happening. >> Um, yeah. Um, I I guess like I want to say thank you first of all um for everyone putting so much effort into this. Um, this is a big deal and you know, you're asking not many people that will pay attention and they won't um until it's too late. And I will say that um you will tell them that your treasurer and your town clerk is no longer an elected official. It is appointed by the town. And for me, I do believe that no one will pay attention to this um until it's past it and you will have repercussions. Um so I I think that the outreach for that needs to be much greater. And then I also believe that if we are growing and you think that we need to have appointed officials, which I'm not against. I'm not for or against either. Um I I think the case needs to be made very clearly. Um right now I I I don't see one or the other. Yeah, Carrie, I would say that um all that we have talked about to this point is do we want to talk about this? >> Yeah. Yeah. No, no, and I get that. >> Yeah. And so what Evan is about to introduce I believe is sort of what a process including an outreach process as part of that would take us from I guess basically tonight to next town meeting day. and and uh so that's what I'm looking forward here to hearing from these guys um on the research that they've done with VLCT and other towns and um let's hear what they have to say. >> And I add to that I also think we have to do a formal vote. We're still in >> right a special meeting. >> Oh yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. Oh yeah, there's >> we're just still gathering. >> Yeah, this is a research discussion from my perspective. But I mean, you have to have conversation about it. >> Roger. >> Yeah. I'd be interested in just hearing what has been the experience of other towns that have dealt with this and uh having been through the process, you know, whether he's satisfied with the results. I talked >> I I agree with you and I think Sandy I know that I have a good friend who was the Colchester town manager and uh reached out to the Colchester town clerk that was there for 34 years and she actually was the one that advocated to her select board that they change it from elected to appointed. to your point, I think that that should be part of the outreach process is to hear from other towns and communities. So, why don't you give us your your outline here and then we can come back and ask questions. >> So, I do still need to run this past VLCT. I have not gotten to do that yet. And probably >> at least some parts of this would have to go to town council at some point >> to get there sign off on it. But I have it in three parts here. Uh the first part is a a sort of setup meeting this fall. I targeted these dates towards October 20th. uh just sort of a uh trying to avoid the budget season. I mean November election and have this done in plenty of time before town meetings so that there's uh time for like public discussion once that we're sort of finalized on if we're going forward with this. Uh >> what can we talk about this this phase here? Yeah. So to actually Carrie's point and I and I am a strong advocate for this is where is the outreach meeting? Where do we have a public meeting to a special meeting to take input from the town or to introduce what it is? >> Yeah, I don't have that as part of this schedule yet. Um I assume that would go more towards the spring. Um the stuff in the fall meeting is more like procedural stuff. Although I did include the residency question in the fall prep meeting because that can be decided at a special meeting. It doesn't have to be the annual meeting whereas the appointments question has to be decided at the end. So, you're saying at the September 1st meeting, which is our next meeting, >> uh the the special town meeting I targeted for October 20th, >> what's September 1st >> would be approving a special meeting warning so that it has time to be meet the the warning timeline for an event like this. Yeah. >> Okay. So that would just be announcing that we're proposing to have we are not prop we're scheduling a special meeting on October 20th to address those five article or five questions. >> Yeah. Uh I'm taking the last one off after we discuss it a little bit better. >> All right. >> Gonna [clears throat] think about that a different way. >> So is it a special meeting? Are those those aren't voted? What happens on the October 20th? So o on October 20th, the residents of the town, hypothetically the whole town, probably a very small portion of it, >> would vote on uh whether to allow non-residents to be elected or appointed >> to either position and whether to have the vote at the annual meeting be by Australian ballot >> or not. >> Right. It defaults to not. >> Yeah. But I feel very strongly that this sort of >> so the October it says special meeting but it's a vote >> uh it would be a it would be like town meeting. >> It would be a vote. >> Yeah. >> On each of those four items, >> right? >> Okay. Okay. I just didn't quite understand that it was a vote. Is it a vote like we just had tonight or is it a Australian ballot vote? It would be a floor vote. >> A what? >> A floor vote like like they haven't found yet. >> Would we hold it at the town at the school? >> It is a a special meeting of the town of the selectable. >> Is it run by the moderator or >> I believe it would be about this October 20th. >> Yeah. >> I mean it goes back to what Carrie said. >> We gota have education is what I'm concerned about. >> Well, and that's the point too. we would have to have a special meeting to just explain just like we just had. I mean, it's going to be something that's controversial and people are going to want to talk >> and we need to give them the opportunity to do that, you know. Um, >> so if you had this Octo just play it out for a second with me if you bear with me. If you were to move forward with this October 20th special meeting vote, >> um you could that has to be worn by September 1st. In between September 1st and October 20th, you could have another another select board meeting or anotherformational meeting to do that outreach piece. >> Right. >> Yes. >> Because that's not a vote. That's justformational meeting. >> People asking questions, >> right? But also the special meeting would have opportunity for discussion. People can make motions just like >> Yeah, I think we won't be able to share information at that point. Probably make a presentation. >> Yeah. Is there any reason it couldn't be a little bit later? Do you run into the town meeting uh >> uh maybe we need to move on to part two or something? >> Yeah, the annual meeting timeline is all January and later. So it could be push the fall meeting could be pushed back up yet, but then we run into budget season and another step. >> Don, what's your thoughts? >> Well, I'm just concerned. One, we've asked people for all the better connections feedback and that's still kind of well. We've heard the planning commissioner is going to do their review in September. We have two special meetings left at home. We have a new municipal manager coming on board which is going to be a learning curve for budget. So I'm just the timing is quite right yet to do it. I don't know the rationale for doing it right away or later for the following year. I'm not I didn't I'm hoping they just seems like a lot going on this. I would think see if you could I agree with you because if I do feel like um but could you look at this and work backwards from town meeting I if the goal is to have these questions on the town meeting agenda then can you work it back from March 2nd or whatever date that is to with your warnings I know that you've got to do the certain warning dates and I think that so we have to have two votes one on town meeting and one before that the special meeting vote >> right >> and then we have >> more so >> yeah the special meeting vote isn't necessary the main reason I want to have the special meeting is so that the the big vote can be by Australian >> being a so that gives more people an opportunity to vote >> yeah that's what >> right have by Australian ballot they have to vote to have it by And so what's the latest we could have that vote? >> 45 days. How does it >> that's an a question of ECT or >> late enough that we could get ballots printed >> I think. >> All right. Well, that's a research item. >> Can I make a s I mean it's hard not to have a document to look at. You know I mean get if you I agree to plan backward and come back then we can review the document prior to discussion. Yeah. But I'm trying to read up doesn't >> Yeah. >> I'd rather see something. >> What's the special spring annual meeting? What's that? Oh, that's Oh, okay. >> Um, we haven't talked to we didn't talk to BLC or on this >> item number. And the other thing is we probably were going to want to talk to our legal but we didn't want to right you know until we know that right at least it's a good idea to at least pursue it and like he said having the special giving it the Australian ballot version to me opens it up so that everyone gets to vote on this not just people that show up and that's why it's kind of important to get this done and get have special meetings to let people give their uh comments. >> And now as far as I understand, I think there's something we haven't said here, but as I recall, there's a piece of this that uh so if you do all of this stuff between now and and town meeting day, town meeting day is the uh and I think that's what part three is. town meeting day is the is the vote to do this, but it doesn't actually take effect. We're going to elect our town clerk and treasurer at town meeting day. We're not going to appoint them, >> right? >> We have to then do the charter change and then also another waiter charter change is a separate thing. >> Yeah, that we don't have to do the charter. >> I didn't think we did either. Okay. But we still have to wait so many days after, >> right? because they the public has an opportunity to do um petition >> petition to even if it went through there's still I think it's 45 days 45 days >> maybe 30 days >> 45 so all they have to do is get one to third 5% and then they we >> all right we start all over right okay >> so there's always that opportunity so it's kind of giving more opportunity to let more people know and give the whole town the opportunity to make this decision, not us. Exactly. >> Honestly, as I'm thinking about it here, I feel like putting the residency question at the special meeting is not the way to go. I feel like that should also be annual meeting, >> right? Because it it's it can be one way or the other >> and then that should also probably be voted by Australia, >> right? So, it would be four votes, right? >> You know, and they vote That's right. >> Is there a hand up? >> Oh, [clears throat] Mike, come on up to the table. >> Whatever. I just try to be respectful. >> Thank you, >> Mike. What a very center. I know my process. >> I know. That's why I started it. >> I'm just a big believer. I I think we may be rushing this decision. I think it's a too important of a decision to rush into making this change. As much as I'm a believer in maybe having appointed people because I think our town has gotten point where things are getting much more complex. We're not we're not we're not a little old town. Like when I moved to Waterberry in 1987 from Bristol, I thought Bristol was a small small town. It was similar to Waterberry, but I think towns are getting more and more complex. We don't elect a town manager. You know, I I I'd be really hesitant if we did elect town manager because I'm very concerned with electing these positions for the fact that I don't want to see a popularity contest and I don't think that's just [clears throat] a a good improving thing, especially with the treasurer where they're dealing with millions of dollars. uh you know and and we see time and time again on the new news and people investing money. We want to make the right decision. We want to have someone with good qualifications who's able to make financial decisions about our town finances. I also think that the town clerk, you know, with elections becoming more and more complex, you know, I'm almost more concerned about the treasurers because of how much money that they deal with. I'm more concerned and I think you could work with some sort of sense of a residency, you know, maybe a residency preference, you know, or something when you do an appointment. Yes, you may have some sort of preference for a town resident, but to say we, you know, if we don't have someone qualified coming aboard, someone from Ducksberry or Bolton, I don't really have a pro, you know, they're kind of an area person >> and I think >> I think that the real key here is that we had one applicant for the town clerk and we've had no applicants for the treasure and Bill wants, you know, he's he's been very gracious to hang in there with us and so I think that's where this conversation started to percolate is the fiduciary responsibility that this select board has and the staff that are helping us be able to be confident in those decisions. And as you point out, the legislature said, you know, Teresa Wood pointed out they passed legislation just because they had problems in Coventry with the elected officials. >> We're we're we're lucky that we've >> not had problems, but it's not to say in the future you're going to have someone who's less than four. You just don't know. You know, there are issues with people who have substance abuse problems. You know, there's all kinds of reasons where, you know, people could, you know, >> All right. Thank you, Mike. Um, that's >> So, do we say don't rush? >> Come on up. Introduce yourself. >> Claire Palmer, Randall Street, and with the roundabout tonight. >> Claire Palmer, Randall Street, and with the roundabout tonight. Um, the board is made up of elected officials. Is there any concern about potential power imbalance from being able to appoint and remove the town employee that controls elections? >> We have already heard comments with concerns about that. >> Yes. >> They they are a town employee, but they still have the what is it? It's an elect it's a different position. You're not under the town. >> They have their own autonomy now, >> right? My thought is not that anybody's asked all but go ahead. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> No, the in my mind the clerk doesn't set policy. These folks set policy. The clerk >> for the last 50 years has functioned more as an employee than than as a policy maker. >> He and I'm going to tell you what I think. People will grumble when you take a vote away from him to [clears throat] to take. Although, as I've said, this the clerk has functioned as an employee or an appointed person in my mind for the last 15 years. And in my mind, they actually receive more oversight in the town manager system in that the town manager sees what the clerk does every day. An elected person sees what the clerk does once a year when they come to the election. So, and I could go on, but yeah, you you're I >> But the election also has all kinds of stats of how they're run. You know, there's a lot that you have to live up to whether you're appointed or that shouldn't really >> I had a comment made about um the integrity of the election won't be as um good. That's not the word I wanted, but u if it's an appointed versus elected and the town clerk I spoke with said actually the appointed person has just as much buy in to have a smooth operating election process as as an elector. >> It's part of their evaluation. [clears throat] It's part of their responsibility. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> They want to get along. >> All right. I think the uh there might be a motion in here needed to >> Well, I was going to say that does also sort of bring me to part three, which is a okay a >> separate but related proposal. >> Uh it I believe that if we are asking the town to entrust us with more power, we should be willing to offer it more accountability as well. So, I would be interested alongside this in pursuing a charter change because that's the only way you can do this to allow uh recall petition for select board members. >> So, that if we were trying to kick out a town clerk who certified an election we've lost or whatever other misbehavior a select board member might get up to. The town would have a way to remove us from power >> if needed. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Only at elections, >> right? >> In between elections. There's no way to remove it like whatever. for the family. >> Except looking and going by the legislature, but like >> right be something really bad. >> The only thing I would ask is is that an overload? Are we overloading these items? I just I don't know. I'm not I don't know. >> I see it as related. >> Okay. for the reason I just said it's like if we want this we should also offer this and probably have them as like a sort of package deal. So can I make a suggestion? It is sort of a I mean I agree someone with Mike around is just too much too quick if you if the two of you can come back with the plan as you said Martha from town meeting and lay it all out you know I mean >> and then we have it in advance I would love to have more of a conversation to see how that's going to play out then Gracie will also be part of it too she'll be on board you know she'll part of it so and then may then we can decide if this makes sense we do it or maybe it doesn't I mean but I want to get more information >> and I [clears throat] You have to include in that timeline opportunities forformational sessions, >> right? >> So, a charter change has that built in. There's a two hearing process you have to go through. >> So, you can combine it. >> Yeah. But you're saying that that's in January or something the way I'm reading up here. Well, he's going to go back and but um >> this part was I targeted that vote for town meeting day. >> So that part would not change. >> Right. That's okay. >> Right. >> I mean I would suggest you take Evans document and send it to your attorney who's expert at this law. >> Yeah. >> Saying is this doable? Are we not thinking of something? Is this is >> after he makes the adjustment. Yeah. >> I would I would send it to VLCT first. said that it's free there, >> huh? >> I said it's free there. >> Exactly. I know what I was thinking, but I wasn't going to say. >> Um, >> well, often you get what you pay. >> Yeah, I know. >> Well, this is true. But at least, you know, see what they say, see how it hits you, and then move on to um our attorney if if need be. Or maybe we send it to our attorney after the September 1st. I think we should be targeting September 1 to make a decision, a decision to move it forward. maybe based upon the schedule that we come up with >> and the feedback for >> and feedback. Yeah, obviously. >> So, are you talking about September having like a likeformational so that other people can give us input? It's not on us. >> Well, obviously if they want to come and make comment, but I I really think we haven't made a decision, >> right? But that will help us to make that decision if we put it out there. Exactly. agenda >> if you have before Friday of the meeting to post >> right I think it has to be posted over the weekend that this would be a proposed schedule and it has to haveformational sessions in there um and then that's the sort of uh uh uh document that the board would look at at the September 1 meeting to vote on whether to begin from that time towards town meeting day to pursue changing from changing to appointed versus elected. >> Is that doable? >> Is that doable in the next two weeks? Roger. >> Um I I have uh one practical consideration and then maybe just some experiential advice. Uh one is uh in we're going to have an election on the 2nd of March for a new clerk. >> Okay. >> And that's going to be to fill the remaining two years. Now that's for a new three-year term. >> It's for a new threeyear term. Huh. Okay. >> Uh because I've heard it both ways. Everybody wanted >> term was due to end this election. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So right back only filling out >> Wes filled the remaining portion of the turn. >> Oh, okay. Because she had quit and then she wasn't >> there was an election clerk. All right. All right. Okay. >> Okay. And then the sec and then the second part is uh we went through fairly similar uh process of deciding whether he wanted to uh change town meeting to the format that Ducksbury adopted um and had a lively discussion about that and what came out was that people wanted to know about more options that they didn't want to just take what Ducksbury did because there are a lot of other things that could be done and so that's where we came up with this committee to study the whole take a full year to just study the options and see how uh had worked in different places. Uh we'll still see how well that whole study process works, but it seems like taking our time, as Mike suggested, might be uh a better solution here given the fact that we've got a brand new manager. We've got a brand new clerk. Uh we've got a lot of change going on. We got essentially a brand new board here. Uh I I don't know that we really want to push for a lot of change too quickly. noted. >> Yeah. >> Um All right. We don't need to make a motion tonight. >> Um you folks are going to go and continue on putting your thing together and we'll have a vote next meeting. Okay. >> Good. Good information. Um that is our agenda. Um the next meeting will be September 1st. What do you >> I know one thing that's going to be on it. >> Um we well we also will we will have to make decisions on the better connection demonstration project elements. So >> we are we deciding that nice >> Yes, that's what we committed to um Duncan and Katie >> that we it was only on the demonstration project. So I would suggest that we look at your notes and uh come prepared to have a position on those five elements >> and when will they have the um results of the survey? So they >> Okay. Well, before we >> because it's busy September 1st and I through the end of August, but I don't give us much. >> No, I'll ask um I'll ask uh Duncan to send that along. They must have it. >> They can tabulate. They have a steering committee meeting set for the 26th of >> Oh, that's right. September of of August. Can I get the recommendations? >> Yeah, I believe all the survey results are in. I believe >> I think so too understanding Cheryl >> pretty much. I'm not sure when they plan on closing the survey itself though. They never stated that date. >> I'll I'll ask him to have that to us um next week if they can if they can. >> Uh then you would have to look at it before um we have to address the items. Um, Woody, I have a question that's I don't know if it's relevant, but I mean it is relevant, but uh, speed tables are outside of that project, and we heard a lot of that tonight. What What is public works opinion on speed tables? >> Love speed tables. >> Yes. I don't like them. Um, Roger lives on the street that has a speed table. >> I have a speed table right in front of my >> What's your opinion? I just listen to Jason go. He gives me all that information. >> Yeah. Um I mean there's no doubt they will slow traffic. >> But street work miracles. >> I ride to Richmond and they work miracles. They slow me down. >> I'm not going to dispute. They will slow traffic >> one way or another. It's not >> Well, >> yeah, we got ones on Butler. We've got ones on Ranch. We got ones on Little. Um, >> well, has have the sheriff sheriff been up on >> Well, Le Flats, he told me the cart was recording 60 m an hour. >> No, and I told you my sister-in-law, the mother of the bride wedding I had got pulled over by Flats. Been a lot of people. >> Yes, they they've been active. Those are >> Well, we don't know where the money's going. We don't know where the money goes. >> The conversations are happening. It slows traffic down. I mean, I will say the speed table discussion I might be in favor of. They make temporary ones, not the rinky dinky ones that they alloo today. Um, but you can get a pretty rugged temporary >> proposals. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, which again, they will slow traffic. They add to the workload of public works. You have to sign them technically. You have to strike for the Yeah. Slow traffic for the winners. Yeah. >> Um, Is it plowing that is the big issue? Uh >> well like on Randall they make wreak havoc with the drainage in that >> that's what I hear about >> and somewhat on butler as well. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um >> no those streets aren't as fast either. >> No streets aren't as fast. I don't have a scary >> you could do like you could I'm not proposing but temporary ones in on I'm advocating for Neil and flat on maple or temporary that you could take out in the winter. >> Yes. Yeah. I mean placement of them, they become noisy at night, you know. >> Um there is some data that shows if you put multiple speed tables, you know, vehicles [clears throat] speed up in between them, they slow down to five, they'll bump over then they go. >> So >> I think I think in general they do slow traffic. Um >> I think money hurts. I mean, I think in five years, >> you know, words out there. >> Money. Yeah. >> I mean, we I am more conscious now knowing that there's a sheriff around there. I've seen them. >> Well, yeah, >> cuz I just I'm just like thinking of things and I don't even realize that going. >> Oh, I followed you home from our meeting before fast. >> I told you I was thinking about >> I was just curious. I mean, that was definitely the speed, you know, that's outside of actually the demonstration project. Yeah. And and Maple is a street that the speed speed zone changes as you go from 25. Yeah. So, >> yeah. And you folks agreed to pave it a few years ago and it's in great shape. Rides nice now. >> When it was a wreck. Yeah. [clears throat] >> I was just curious. >> Okay. Um, next meeting is September 1st. We're gonna welcome Gracie. >> Um, Woody, could you come for that? Would you be willing to come for that one to just transition and let her uh help if if Okay. >> Um, we have to we have the conservation commission, the tree board, and this says sheriff report. I feel like they're just here. I think they can just provide the speed data they're getting from sale and flats and ticket numbers. >> All right. >> They don't need to come. >> Yeah. >> All right. Good. >> Um just >> and then uh better connections um appointed versus elected. Anything else I'm forgetting? Um, we have heard from BTR on >> Yeah, that'll be >> Yeah, that'll just be a thing. Um, I think I hope when do you uh I think we might have a lead on the audio system. >> You meet before >> 28th. That's going to be >> Yeah. So, you might have something to talk. >> I don't know if they'll have anything ready to >> All right. >> In like four days. That's Friday and we meet to Let's hold that up till >> Okay. September. >> All right. Sound system will hold off on. >> All right. Anything else? >> I have a question not related to the next agenda. >> Okay. Well, let me just I think we got it. Um, >> let's just start. >> Oh, she um Okay, >> um, is the slackboard going to do anything for F? >> Yeah. Well, I was hoping we were going to have one big uh uh >> Well, I just didn't know if we could send flowers or something for the party that >> is that just for employees. >> Is that just for employees? >> You're all welcome. I just need to know another one. Yeah, we're having pizza and cake. They go well together. >> This >> Can we open it to the public? >> Um well, we're not I wasn't closing the office, so it's kind of a pizza. I I'll tell you what I think Beth wants. She wanted a very limited number of people there. Um, she would not be opposed to it. Maybe you will say that. Um, but but but even some other people, she was like, "No, I she's like just the folks I work with." Yeah. >> When is it this? >> This Thursday. >> Thursday. >> Thursday at noon. This >> Thursday at noon. Yeah. Yeah. >> And the office is closed. Oh, no. >> The office will be open. Yeah. Because it Yeah. It's a busy time. >> I'm not here. So, >> do you want to send a photo? >> That's what I was thinking. I don't know. Does the select board have a budget? >> Yes. Millions of dollars. We can find a place if you if you do. >> Thank you. >> We should do you want MK to make a bouquet? I mean, I have because of the wedding, I have like a billion flowers. It's stunning in my house because we like overdid it on flower. She could make a really beautiful >> Oh, that would be awesome. >> Is that all right? That'd be awesome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Bring it down. >> All right. Thursday. >> And I have one more. >> Okay. That keeps going. You're >> greasy having some flowers for when she shows up or something. >> Don's got a whole >> Yeah. More flowers on. >> What? >> Uh yeah. >> Nice. >> Okay. On her desk. >> Oh, there you go. Do you want something? >> Yeah. >> But yeah, ask next Monday. >> Okay. >> Can you make one for her desk? >> Sure. >> Can you have it ready before Monday at 8 a.m. when she comes in or how will it work? >> I don't know. Are you around Sunday? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We had our office clean. The windows are being done. Good. >> Yeah. So, hopefully that'll >> Where are we putting Bill? >> Bill and Le and now will share space. Oh, side space. Okay. >> Yeah, I'm sure she will. Tom didn't do much for decoration. Bill didn't do a lot. [laughter] >> So, I'm going to guess, you know, >> it's gonna look different. >> It's going to look a little better. >> Yellow walls. >> Okay. I mean, it'll take two seconds. >> All right. >> All right. So, we got Thursday and Sunday. >> All right. Um, and we are going to meet with her and talk about having an open house for her, but we want to talk about when she would like to do that. >> And to let the select, I'm going to take her on a a little tour of Waterberry in the car. I'm going to show her blood show, you know, because that's that issue with the parking and a few other spots. And then I'm going to take her at the end to show the artwork of the state complex. >> I certainly did, you know, which I still think is >> that's amazing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. on on her initial tour. I took her up to a show. >> Oh, you were sure. >> I didn't explain any problems though. >> You can't sell the town with down to the >> I said, "Look at this beautiful lake. What has she's aware of what's going on?" >> Okay. Um I have another piece of information. Um Sue Mter called me today. Uh she's working at the treasur's office and uh the treasurer is joining a national lawsuit uh to get the oil companies to pay for uh climate remediation. Um and uh so she wanted to take him on a tour of what the impacts really are in a bunch of different communities. and they're having a a big meeting on uh Wednesday night next week. Uh no, the 20 uh no, it's a the week week after next. So I guess it's uh >> that'd be September. >> Yeah, it's September >> second. Sep September 2nd. And then they're going to do a a tour around the state. And on the 4th uh 8:30 which is Friday morning here she wants to bring him in for a oneh hour recap as to what happened what has happened to Waterberry and what steps have we taken and resiliency and so forth. Um, and we just talked about who we should invite and uh, I said, "Well, you know, Woody has been through all of this and he's probably the most well informed." He said he was able to attend and I thought it'd be a good opportunity for any of us that wanted to come except for that we have declare meeting. Um and then perhaps Tracy if this would be an opportunity to give her an orientation on what has happened and what is happening now. >> So I have a point of order. Should we not be this isn't on agenda. Is this okay to do any discussions and because we're about ready to adjourn? >> We're not making up this sort of >> this is after our next meeting. So yeah, >> just asking. I mean, yes, >> I think we're okay. >> Um, >> so >> so I mean it's sort of open right now. I said, okay, let me see if Woody's available, see if it would make sense to invite the new municipal manager. And I said, well, if there's an opportunity, I'll bring it up at the select board meeting. Okay. >> This was this morning. I knew it was not going to be on the agenda. >> That's for sure. >> Uh so I I said that I would get back to her tomorrow with some ideas. >> Is it something that would be open to the public? >> Not necessarily. I mean it could be uh and I can ask >> I would ask her the question. Yeah. I mean, you know, because then we would probably want to advertise it for a long time. >> Yeah. I mean, I know that uh for example, the governor came to town and never told the select board about it. Uh just have a nice meeting with the um you know, the business community. Uh got a lot of input, but okay. Select board members attend. >> Uh we I got invited at the last minute because Tom Lights found out about it. I was chair at the time and you should come over. >> No, I'm talking about the one coming. >> Yeah. Um well then I mean check point of order again is like if we have >> more than three of us then it's a select board meeting and then we do out. >> Yeah. All right. We'll see what she says. >> Uh I'd take a motion to adjourn 810. I will move. I will second that. >> All right. All those in favor say I. I. There Cheryl. again. [music] >> [music]