Waterbury Municipal Meeting - August 12, 2026 - Edward Farrar Utility District

Um, call the meeting of the Edward Ferrari Utility District to order for Wednesday, August 12th, 2026 here at the Steel World. Um, first up to approve the agenda. Um, there's an amended agenda. We added a couple things that Wy wanted to bring up that was posted in time. Um, are there any additions or alterations to that agenda? which >> the only thing I added in there was um another one leak for Clinton Bedell >> or a continuation. It's on there. Okay. >> And then I did make um Oh, that's there. There was last time I had executive car wash and spelain confused. So, Executive Car Wash and then one for Chip Spalain. >> I think it was Chip >> got and Molly. >> Um, it was for the one that was not executive car wash. Uh, yeah. LOL and Molly >> 63. We just add >> Okay. >> Explain under the 525. >> Anything else? >> May I speak on behalf of public? Yes. >> We're gonna come to public. >> They were reversed in the >> No problem. So, >> thank you. Um so having the L and Molly explain to the under the one le motion to approve the agenda with that addition. >> I so moved and we approve the amen the agenda as amended. Second motion is made and the second is to approve the agenda with the addition of all under the one. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Motion passes. Um now we're on to the public. You have something to speak about that's >> a couple quick questions. >> Sure. Valerie Rogers >> standing. Okay. >> Sure. Everybody different. Thanks. >> Good to um I just had a question. Um according to the website, Karen is still the district clerk and treasurer. I'm wondering is she really our district? >> No. >> So who is our district? >> We don't have one. >> We have aer. Um, so I don't remember that happening at probably >> we appointed Billy. >> Yeah, he was at one of these meetings where Karen was taking minutes before. >> Okay, sure. I can go back. Um, so he's doing all of our financial responsibilities in the clerk is just bacon at this time. All right. Um I did see that there's roles and responsibilities on there so I don't want to duplicate. I did have something a little bit separate than that if I could just ask and if it's not appropriate you can tell me no. >> Sure. >> Okay. It's about uh the discussion about organizational chart or the role sharing that was discussed back in March and then again in May with a select board. Is that part of what you're working on is the organizational chart of like you know who's working for who >> when the manager gets here. So that's the I was asking about these but your rules >> they were there were some yes >> there were some interaction so we'll be correcting that much but >> okay because I think what I believe to be true is that when the select board and municipality move forward on a manager you used to have the same manager and you decided and I'm just learning like based upon the the new managers only for the municipality that you have an interim manager for Ephed and I don't remember when you had a meeting saying that you were not going to be part of a shared [clears throat] manager. So I'm just wondering what meeting was it discussed where Epha commissioners decided not to continue with a shared manager understanding that bill is interim until permanent. So, I'm asked more about when the public decision was made to not um continue on the ship. Um, it was one of the meetings I went to with the select board when they were formalizing their um, search committee and what they were going to do with working on the job description that >> I do that your charter does of course allow you to employ a manager, but it does have to be whether you decide to not have shared manager, whether you decide to have someone the manager. It is part of your charter, but you still have to be open with the public. So, I was asking more about which meetings did these happen at, and it sounds like it might have happened at a select board meeting versus a meeting. >> Well, we yes, we have alerted them that we were not the >> I just would say respectfully that that kind of communication should be more to your rate theory. Well, we did we had to disc I don't remember the meeting. We discussed it in several meetings about whether we would join in the search for the new management. We decided not to. >> Well, there was I do remember lots of discussion. I don't remember there being an action made like a vote a motion. I'm more process. >> I understand. I don't know that in that case we needed that motion. you would look into that. I would appreciate that. >> Or I could send it to you in an email. >> Well, we had we had an inter amendment manager at the time and so we just >> didn't want to change. >> He just we weren't >> Yeah, we just >> I'm talking about transparency to your repairs. >> I understand. I understand. We This was set out in the meeting. I remember I don't remember the lead um that we just decided not to uh join in the search. I don't remember. >> If you could just pull up that and let me know. I I'm pretty good about attending. I'm very good about minutes and I'm very good about and I don't recall uh an actual vote, a motion or an action and I just think it's processed for me and it's pretty easy to call a process. So I appreciate you listening to me. there. Anyone else under public? Yes, >> I had asked um to preface this is Tyler Stratton from Stones Row Pizza on Stow Street. Um, and Tyler has come in front of the UDAG loan committee. >> I'm just gonna sit down here >> with a request and I just wanted to put a name to a face and have him not lay out what he's what is what we've been dealing with at UDA loan committee, but just you folks are the eventual yes or no. Just thought it'd be nice to introduce him and let him have five minutes to >> talk about his business, where he's going, what he said. >> Yeah. Thank you, Bill. Um, and thank you for the invite. Very uh >> nice to be in front of you all. Um, we're asking for uh, let's call it a reup of the loan that we have with Edward for our utility district. Uh, we've been a borrower for the last three years, reliable payer of our loan. Um in that period of time we have uh we have been in a ongoing property dispute with our neighbor who we don't we do not own the property. We are just the lease or um but the relationship to that neighbor has has impacted our ability to do business there. um historical use of the building for decades was the use of a back area that would allow for takeout. Uh in April of 2023 after being open for only a few months, uh we had that area blockaded uh by the neighbor who asserted property rights. And uh we have spent a lot of time and money to legally get through a process of allowing us access and um unfortunately some missing paperwork uh that shows access and easement of what is a subdivided property. Um has brought us to a point where we have signed a lease to have access to the parking we need and those expenses are need to reinvest into that location to bring it to facilitate the sales that it can do. uh something that has been demonstrated to the UDAG committee and um is is the reason for us coming back to uh the reason I phrase it as I call it a reup is that um say an addendum to this that would allow us access to our original loan amount would not it wouldn't impact our debt service if and it wouldn't as a new loan would create greater risk disc on the lender side. So, um yeah, for forgive the I'm just proof reading it. I had all the minutes to write this as, uh I was trying to get here today. Uh it is not EAG, it's UDAG. Now, EOT, I just put EOT and UDAG together in my my mind. uh and a little grammatical uh error, second paragraph, first paragraph, but the bones of our intention here. Um we and I'll let the committee speak on this, but the dramatic impact that this has had on our access to do business there is is it can't be underlined in any uncertain terms. Um, and we having now gotten access, this is what we need to make it work again. >> So, you made a formal application. >> Bill, answer that one. >> Well, there is no real formal application. Um, >> it something that John will speak to today, but >> you submitted a letter and he's come before the event. >> Yes. And that's again answered what information, what questions, and I'm happy to answer any questions that this committee has. >> That's right. You've met the advisory committee. >> Yes. >> And they they've asked for more information. Is that correct? >> They have. >> Yeah. We we met again this morning and asked for some more information and this it was just happen stance. A lot of communications happened with Tyler today. Knowing that you met just kind of just let's if he's wants to come down and say hi. Yeah, this is fine. Um, this is but >> he he knows there's no decision being made tonight or any of that. >> You're just advis you're just letting us know what's going on and that's >> right. Yeah. >> So, we don't want to get the code before the course. >> Yes. Right. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um I think some of the uh desire to be here and be in front of you is that this process it doesn't really have a formal application process like you've you highlighted. Um and the discussion of this has been over several months I believe at this point with the UDA loan committee and there is opportunity cost on our particularly as we reach our tourism season and that's what I've kind of described to Bill today and Charles is is whatever I can do to get in front of and be a face to this uh we we we don't want to miss our opportunity. >> Good. >> Well, thank you. You're working with the right groups the person. >> Yep. No, thanks for speeding things up. >> Thanks, Alex. Next up was the minutes of the meeting of July 8th, 2026. They're not I can't find them online. >> Oh, are you serious? Did I not print those off? >> They're not printed, but they're also not I can't find them online. >> July 8th. >> Yeah. Oh, well, oh, wait a minute. Uh, okay. I see I see my mistake. They're under the July date. Okay, that's my mistake. >> I see what I >> The other one you back the week, but >> Right. Right. Right. Of course. I Okay, now I understand this. Yes. Well, except Yes. Oh, I misread the Got it. I see the I figured for some reason that the July 8th minutes would be under the August 12th meeting, >> you know, that's why I was sorry. >> Do you want me to go print them out? >> No, I don't. Rick was practicing his reading. >> I just looked at him and prepared the agenda. I didn't >> I'm sorry. And it still didn't occur to me to the actual date that you read up or >> it did not. So, I'm gonna let everyone else out there. >> Now, it's too bad. >> Put that off till next month. >> I am going to apologize for not having them. No, I'll because >> it's property tax time. >> Yes. What's more important? The town seems to think it's the property taxes. >> So, am I putting it off till next month? >> Yes. >> Not approved. >> Yes, >> they're actually available. >> Oh, they're there. I just went to the >> That's right. You just saw. So, it says draft. So, that's completely appropriate and correct. So, we're agreeable to postponing the final approval of the minutes. >> We'll review at the next meeting. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Get from next month. >> Next up on the agenda, I put on review and discussion of what's required in the meeting minutes that um I adopted. Kai was struggling at times to record almost every word for word. That's uh not a requirement. So I looked under two um rules that were required. Well, one were required following law which says what needs to be in the minutes. Um, the most important thing is the motions and who made the motions and who it's not unanimous recording if there's a roll call, you know, the date and things and uh recording the people who were were there but Not a word for word. The word for word is all motion and motion. Word for word. The other documentary including Roberts which follow the meeting schools and number 48.2 when I read that it says contents of the uh in ordinary society the ministry contain mainly a record of what was done at the meeting not what's said at the meeting. So that's the important part. It's you know what we do is in the motions that we can talk about a lot of things but it has to be taken out. It can be recorded. There was a gender discussion from this. No action taken action. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So anybody want to >> I agree with that >> comment on that or just >> it wasn't that as a criticism of it just no >> help you don't have to oh who said this and who said that >> but your your fidiousness is is a virtue but make it easier on you. Okay, >> just a basic seems to be a quick sentence or two. This is the issue that came up was discussed. Here was the action that was taken. >> Okay. >> And we will I think it's important to get motions correct. >> Oh yes. >> We may have you read back the motion before we >> Well, whose motion do I take? Do I take the one that was made by, let's say, Rick? Do I take the one that you redo? >> No, you take the one that was given by the person who made >> Okay. Okay. >> His summary of it is you don't >> suggest things, but it would be who made the >> motion and then get who second >> and we'll get it straight. We'll make sure we get the language straight. >> No, you've done great, Ka. Thank you very much. Now we make your life a little easier. >> Write down what they do. Okay. >> Don't forget it's being recorded >> and it's always and it's being recorded, too. So, you've been you've done great. >> Thank you very much. >> Yeah. You're welcome. >> This means we can speed. >> There you go. >> To make its >> Yeah. You want to record what we need to record is what we do. Sometimes we don't >> the uh so the Robert rules and this I guess this other thing opening meeting law say the same thing. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. Thank you Ka. Um, so we're in spite of all our moving along difficulties opening, we're on the track. >> Hello, >> we're good. This was your chat. >> What was that? Um, discussion with the UAG the loan review committee on revision guidelines. person. So what do you use? >> Yeah. >> So John Zimmerman is here and Annhoff is online and both the new dad loan committee members as well as myself and John if you want to come up to the table and Ann feel free to chime in whenever you'd like and we welcome your suggestions and things. uh myself and Natalie have been it started with the trustees this new gag thing has been a E5 responsibility since 2008 [clears throat] you know we knew that even in the beginning that we were dealing with people who couldn't get loans from the bank But anyway, we welcome your suggestions and look forward to work through. >> Oh, I've been My name is John Zimmerman and uh I've lived in the area for 45 years, but 35 in this town and uh I've also been in the commercial finance and lending industry is part of my career. for that 45 years too. And I was invited to uh sit on the RW uh WATC. There's acronyms here that I'm going to try. >> And I've been doing that for about four years, too. And then I was asked or I volunteered to sit on the loan committee because of my background. So I have about three four years of loan committee experience as well and as I understand it we've made recommendations we've entertained uh applicants and have reviewed them with everybody's input on the committee. there's seven members as is in the doc is in your policy document though and u and then pass that on to you folks for your interpretation review and approval as as you see fit uh in that process it's become obvious to I think all members of the committee that things can be structured a little smoother and a little more consistently they appear to have changed over time and little patchwork and it's okay and I think the attitude and uh how the committee functions amongst each other is fine. They have an interest in the community. There's various expertises uh and talents presented. So I think we have a pretty good committee. My idea and purpose here after talking with the folks was um to update the policy document that we use off and on from time to time. Um but it has some good stuff in it and and it needs to just be improved a little I think. Y >> but part of the biggest improvement would be uh and you just heard from Tyler who is our last applicant. We don't really have an application process but certainly not a form a standardized form. So all the applicants would know what they're expected to present and then that would assist us as the reviewers on the WADC loan review committee to do a more thorough and systematic review of the information and with the goal being that we present that information more efficiently to you folks so you can make a better decision too. And that would be consistent from applicant to applicant as much as we possibly can. All the all the differences between the applicants, the subjecting stuff, we have to just that would still be there, but it would be reviewed by the committee. The application form itself would be a more standardized form requesting things like sources and uses as funds. What's your business? Where did you get the money to go it? What are you going to do with the money that you get if the refund board approves it? And what are you going to do with it over time? And how does the repayment process coincide with all those aspects? And I'd add one more question. >> Yes. >> How does your application meet the objectives of the policy? Okay. That's that's the first part is the overall policy. You may you're talking about maybe that needs an upgrade or an update. That's fine. But that be one more part of an application, you know, >> right? And that's my challenge. That's sort of what intrigues me to get in. I think uh I can make an application that fits with the policy really well with the help of all the committee who has more knowledge in some of these areas than me. But you know my business experience I have organizational organizational design experience too. I think I can I can do a good job with the help of the committee and the overall goal will be to present the the uh the committee's findings to the rel board as a proposal. Here's what we propose for the new adjustments to the policy. And by the way, here's an application form that fits with them pretty neatly, too. And here's how the application was filled out. And here's how we scored it or graded it or whatever system we had come up with for your consideration. >> All that by the end of the year, >> end of next week. >> End of next week. >> That sounds may I restate? We've talked over in the short time I've been here, we've talked a number of times about updating the policy and for lack of a better word, standardizing or form more formalizing the process and an application form that said that as John says that tells the applicant what the minimum amount of information they need to provide is, you know, to support their application, what they're doing, you know, as you say, sources and uses spreadsheet or income statement, what whatever proforma, you know, five years worth of of expected uh whatever it is we we think it ought to be. That'd be great with a policy that states what the purpose of the you know the overall purposes of the monies and uh how you know how how decisions will be made in conformance with that policy. I think that sounds great. you're what I'm hearing you say is that you and the committee will take a a stab at drafting something that we can begin as a group together discussing and and at some point of course the E4 board makes a you know then approves it and we adopt that as our policy and application process is that that's is that what you're >> Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I mean there's issues uh you know the stone slow one is on our mind because it's live but it presents a couple examples. They want to extend their loan. I think they called it reup whatever you want to call it. Well it's not a new policy. What do you want in your policy? Uh, I reviewed about half dozen or more from other towns in Vermont and other towns in New England and New York and Pennsylvania. And some of them uh especially prohibit that. You got to apply pay off your first one and then I don't you know I don't know but that's what our committee is. Those are the ideas. >> Those are the switches we flip. >> Yeah. >> You know when we make a decision. >> Yeah. on on the policy and application process. >> I think putting a little more structure in it is going to benefit the applicants. It's going to benefit our review committee and it's going to benefit you folks as the ultimate decider of who gets the money and how much they get. And that's my that's my goal. If I fail on any of those, we're gonna fail. But I think I'm do good. But I hope >> well sounds like you're speaking for the committee as well that you guys are going to sit down and roll up your sleeves and do this or or you and like Thomas Jefferson are going to write the first draft. >> I'll write the first draft and then it'll be subjected to the rest. >> Yes, of course. >> But but that's okay. I think that's the way it's got to be done. >> Yeah. and and I talked with Woody and the rest of the committee members or five of the seven um this morning and there was head nodding right go ahead >> and let's get on take that spark make that spark happen >> I mean if you trip and fall speaking for myself speaking for myself I would be thrilled if you would take on that effort and and move things along I'd be happy to consult with you and you know answer questions whenever I know Natalie and others you have thoughts about this but it would be great in my view >> yes >> I'm speaking for me >> in keeping with what we've just learned about minutes farming I request that the moment committee you propose policy End loan application process. >> Was that a motion? >> Did you get that? Ka >> Bob moved to request the UDAG loan committee review and update the policy and loan application process. >> I would just say >> that's great. I would just say that it should be Bob moved that we request that friendly amendment. It's a friend. >> Is that what you want? >> That we move to Okay. Bob moved that. No, Bob moved that we request the UDAG loan committee review and update the policy and loan application process. >> Okay. Well, then no. No, >> that's fine the way it's written, but they don't the way the use the way that was said. It's not their policy and process. Okay. So, read it again. >> Bob moved that we request the UDAG loan committee review and update the policy and then you added and loan application process. >> They can review but they can't update. So they need to >> we're asking them to propose >> they present a revised policy a revised policy proposal. >> Yeah. >> That's good. >> So Bob moved that we request the UAG loan >> fund committee. What's it called? Well, well, I don't know >> the loan fund committee >> in the Yes. >> existing >> in the updated. But that's fine. We're straight out to naming too. But right now, this is why you're called the loan fund the UDAG loan fund committee to review policy and application process. >> Hang on. Um, >> review and suggest updates to >> to review and to review the loan the loan policy and application process and propose updates as appropriate. How's that? >> Want to make sure you all know who's responsible for what. I got as far as Bob moved that we request the UDAG loan fund committee to review the loan policy and application process and proposed updates >> and propose updates and uh revisions as appropriate. >> Now did Bob actually make that? >> I do now. accept. >> Okay. So, Bob moved that we request the UDAG loan fund committee to review the loan policy and application process and proposed updates and reviews as appropriate. Okay. Cindy seconded the motion, but I don't have to say that Cindy seconded the motion, right? >> Yes, you did. Yeah, it has to be in the >> Yes, that Cindy second. >> Okay. So, even though Robert's rules, I think said it doesn't need to be there, but I will add it there. >> Okay. >> Let me just ask one question. The word, >> did you say propose or proposed? >> Bob moved that we request Oh, yes. >> The one word. >> Proposed. >> No, there's no D there. We want them to propose. >> Okay. It's just just no D. That's all. >> Okay. >> That's all. >> Cindy seconded it. >> Are you all set? Pat. >> So, the motion has been made and seconded. I won't try to repeat it word for word. My previous discussion was meant to simplify the process not making for doesn't have to repeat what you said. >> Is there any further discussion on it? >> If not, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Those opposed? Motion passes. Thank you for your >> Well, thanks for >> I will just add that we've been doing this for more than 30 years this loan. So, the last six years have been uh a lot of changes. So, this is >> coming to hang on to the UAG acronym or is that going to be retired? >> We decid something. on it. you know that next up was what he had after this the brook femur project and he's bring this on from time to time and uh have a protection from [clears throat] erosion and future flooding and things that there will be some funding requirements. So >> yeah, so Roy Sheff from SLR International Corporation has designed the project and been working on it for boy a couple years at least, right Roy? I mean um and Royy's office is right here in town and I thought with the opportunity to pick his brain if you had any questions would be >> Roy did a lot of work after 2011 work still going on. unfortunately. Um, yeah, thanks for having me. So, I I guess I could give like a really quick overview of the project. Seems like you all talked about it and know it. The idea and I will say I've been working on a project in Northfield like protecting sewer lines right now. So, it's just really common. Um, rivers are kind of seeing bigger floods and adjusting and so a lot of towns are looking to protect sewer crossings and a lot of parallel sewer lines exactly like we have along that. Um, so the project has three components and the idea of this is there's been historic filling along thatchure just from us all being around it, roads and the sewer and it's created a a velocity hot spot that's very prone to erosion and that's why there's a concrete encased crossing in a couple spots and the rivers because of that the river's cut down. So we did some modeling. There's been there's been a lot of discussion about stabilizing the river, armoring the banks and there's been several projects We did a hydraulic model that showed if we can kind of like pull some of the fill out and create what's called a flood shelf. It drops the erosion potential in the brook which essentially protects everything around it in a big flood. So, um the modeling revealed three alternatives. One is creating a shelf along the brook um by excavating some fill. Two is pulling back some of the existing rock a little further back to give the river a little more space. And then three is armoring essentially in front of the whole sewer line. Um there'll also be a little bit of concrete enc casement in the sewer crossing itself as that gets extended. So um the the current status of the project has been going on for a few years. Um I always tell my kids nothing's free. So when we get free money from FEMA, we have to pay in red tape and we're paying. Um and we're about through the permit process. The Army Corp permit is out to notice. So, that's going to be um coming together. We've gotten a clearance from wetlands. We've got our local permits. So, and we've got a stream alteration permit in place. Um the project went out to bid a couple weeks ago. We got or maybe a few weeks ago now, got some competitive bids and Hilltop Construction um was the apparent low bidder. >> Um Hilltop Construction um Bobby Hop. And I did bring a summary of that. Um the apparent low bid was $529,000 um which is um pretty close to our um expected project estimate. So um there were um we >> apparent is a word that we use to qualify the low bid. >> Yeah. And the reason you say apparent is because there has not been a formal award. Right. So when a contractor sees the word apparent, so this this list was generated the day the bids came in. You say the apparent or bidder. We did some reviewing of the bids. We called the top three. The second bid notably um you know less than $1,000 difference in a in a you know $500,000 project. So very good grouping in the first several bids. Boulder Excavation and the third bid, Jay McDonald, a contractor you're all very familiar with from their work around town. Um, we've worked with all three. In fact, we've worked with the top. Cutting Edge is the only one. Um, Bellamance and Minaj. We've worked with all these contractors before on similar type projects. >> So, all pretty suitable. We've checked all their references and the top three the references are all really good for doing this kind of work. Um so I think right now the the project sits with FEMA. Um this is a phased project. So phase one is design and permitting of the project. Put it out the bid. Phase two is actually construction of the project and it's a way FEMA kind of breaks up the project say yes this thing's legit. The design we got competitive bids. So right now we're kind of in between those phases awaiting your approval to bring the project to phase two. I think I think Woody has some forms to sign. Um and you know if it were to get approved tonight that that um budget will be submitted to FEMA for the construction piece of the project. The contractor um the low bidder is eager to get started. So I think another thing for you all is to formally accept the low bid. Um and if you have questions about the contractors I did write a memo. I don't know if that memo has made it to this group or not. >> I don't believe so. >> Okay. So, I can describe some of our debrief if you're interested to hear about the top three or maybe that's the three lowest biders. Um, we kind of reviewed two or three and they're all pretty competitive. So, um, we can talk about that if you're interested. So, I think that's a quick summary. Maybe pause and see if you have questions. >> What's the total length of sewer line we're protecting? >> Um, it's a great question. I have plans here. So the the crossing itself is not that long. Um it's only about 50 feet. So the sewer is encased in concrete and then we would add on 50 ft of concrete enc casement. Um there's also an addal built into the project an extra piece if they get that they get to that sewer line and it looks really deteriorated. They're actually going to replace the sewer line while we cut machinery area. There's a manhole right there. So pumping around will be pretty easy. Keep the super active. Um and then let me just look at this plan. So the approximate length of pulling back the river would be that's 300. >> It's close to like a thousand feet of river >> of stream bank. Yeah. >> So, the sewer runs along the river and we pretty much pull back create that shelf and then armor all along the face of that of the sewer main that runs along the river. So, it's super protective. >> Can you reroute the river to some other part of town because it goes right past my house and it always causes problems during >> um Well, we looked >> we we looked at that alternative early on and it's caught between a rock and a hard place, so to speak. We actually talked about rerouting it on the other side of the sewer line. There's ledge under Stow Street, so we can't get go on that side. So, you're kind of stuck. Um, >> we wouldn't change it down by you, but the portion we did look at changing. >> No, I know you said that. No, I'm on Union Street. >> Yeah. >> Who are the adjacent land owners? >> Well, the state of Vermont owns >> the Army. >> The Armory. Yeah. Um, and that's pretty much I mean Moran Matt, is it Matt? >> Yeah. >> Um, owns down there. And >> I don't think that Charlie O'Brien house old house comes in. So, it's really only a couple land owners. Yeah. >> May I ask a quick question? You said the project has three components. Roads, sewer. >> Um, there's creating a flood bench. >> Oh, creating a flood bench. Okay. Okay. And then armoring the sewer line and then pulling the bank of the river back in a really narrow. >> Okay. >> So, three components of the riverware. So, it's okay. It's a combination of river and sewer protection work to ultimately reduce the risk and protect what's out there. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So, what are the time constraints can be done? >> So, it's a great question. Um, it's almost like they're operating against us. We'd have to remove some trees and we're coming up to the end of the bat hibernation season, so we can start removing those. >> We're supposed to be out of the water October 1st. However, given the bids were a little late and now we're kind of working through the FEMA timeline, which is always a little slower. We've kind of put some floaters out there with the state like, can we push the project a little later? And the answer is yes. >> So, I think we're going to be after the tree cutting deadline, so that will be fine. And there's only a very little bit of work in the river and I think the state will allow us to do that. So yeah, I ideally we'll be you know able to start this work and kind of work in September and it's a shorter jobs but again a little just the FEMA timeline's a little uned that the second phase gets through and I should mention Vermont Emergency Management they're the keeper of the gateway to the FEMA fund. So like we we've been interacting with VM who's been really helpful on the project. They submit the application to FEMA comes back to BM comes to us and then um the project will get rolling. >> What limits does have on projects construction? >> Um great question. Um I don't know if there's a limit. We I what I can tell you is we've been doing more and more hazard mitigation grant funed projects around Vermont. Um we've never had a project that's gone over budget for an unforeseen issue be denied. That said, we've never had it like double in cost. It's usually like another $10,000 we needed more stone in a spot or we need to put a fence up we didn't foresee or something like that. So, you know, we've we've increased budgets maybe by 25 or 30% and have not had any push back on FEMA. Um, it's it's not the money, it's really um for them it's the footprint of the project and like environmental and historic resource protection like the project starts expanding within link which we do not anticipate that here. That's when the project really gets slowed down. If it goes over budget, um there's a project budget request change form you do at the end of the project. They're pretty solid. I can't say definitively, but we've just never had that had those turned out. >> Yeah. >> So, you've given Woody your recommendation as to >> Yep. >> who we would award. >> Um and yeah, and I can give you a quick summary. So, the three low biders, Hilltop, Boulder, and Jay McDonald. I can start with the third one. Jay McDonald, you know, well, they've done endless work around the state. I will say they're probably the most experienced of of the contractors. Um, their bid was $46,000 higher than the other two bids. We see this with our bigger contractors around the state. They come with a little more overhead. Um, they can mobilize more equipment and, um, you know, maybe a little more experience and maybe there's a foreman on the job. Boulder and Hilltop are both smaller operators. Um Boulder um based out of Morrisville, so they were um their bid was just it actually was like $440 lower than the low bid. So very close bids. They traditionally have done like home building in the Stow in the central Vermont area and then they've lately they've done some site work development um and expanded their fleet and they've been working around rivers. We did a flood plane restoration project with them on the Loyal um in um Johnson area this year. They did a good job building that. And then Hilltop we've worked with a lot around rivers. They've done a lot of bank stabilization. Um again smaller outfits, smaller crews. Um maybe a little slower on the work. Um pretty deliberate. Done a lot of work around rivers, dam small dam removals, um flood plane reconnections and arm rings. so comfortable working around rivers and done like a little both Boulder and Hilltop have done a little utility work around here. If this was a very big sewer job, I probably wouldn't recommend either of those, but because they're really just protecting the utilities and working around them, they've done that a lot. So, that's why we think kind of any of those three can do the job well. >> Where is Hill? >> Um, Saratoga. >> No, no, they're lo they're local. Well, they're in central I want to say I should know this. Um they're hill sites in West Berlin. I want to say like maybe Versier or a little >> we say maybe >> maybe Randolph. Yeah. So like a little further away, but they'll mobilize. We've worked with them all around Central Vermont. They tend not to want to go sort of further than like an hour, hour and a half from where they're based at. So you don't have one specific recommendation. Those are your >> Yeah, I mean all three um I think all three can do the job. And then I did check two references. We asked for two references from each one. They all work pretty good. Jay McDonald gave the town and us because we worked a lot with them which I thought was funny. U their owners are friend of mine just just for transparency sake. But um yeah, I mean they've all done good work and I think they they can safely work around the utilities. Again, like we've had jobs around the state where there's actually a lot of sewer repair upgrades, move moving the lines. You probably want to you want a contractor that can worked around the sewer line and done a lot of utility work and water line work. That's not in my view that's not the case here. Like you know locating the sewer line and excavating next to it and placing rock around it. That's a common activity for all of these contractors. So, you know, my recommendation is you probably want to consider the the low bidder um and they meet the budget. Um if you told me you wanted to consider like the second bidder or the third bidder, um you know, you'd have to kind of make some justification to that for FEMA. It's a little bit of a process, but I think you know, $40,000 and a $500,000ish job isn't that big of a deal. So, it's really I think you probably could choose any of them. >> You probably ought to go with the low uh you got to answer as you said the question. >> Just another hurdle to jump over but it's not not insurpassable. >> Is there also a inspection contract with this? >> There is folks would do. >> Yes. So we have a contract the design per the engineering work is under the first phase and that's already been awarded. So that included construction oversight work. So you know we'd obviously be working with the town um and public works and others but we'll be you know we're right here. So we can go out almost like you know I'd say we go out a few times a week as as the tasks change. We would go out and make sure the contractors lined up to advance the project and and make sure it's all buttoned up. We also send like daily reports so you all would obviously get a get an update on how the project's progressing. We copy regulators on that. It kind of keeps everybody's super busy so it keeps them having to come to the site like every week. They just can, you know, kind of read our reports and then call with questions and that's the work progresses. >> So, do you have a recommendation? Um, not having known the low two lowest biders, we asked Roy to check into him and I'm happy he they've come back positive and as Roy said, if it involved a lot of pipeline or any what I would call more technical work, I would be a little nervous, but I'm happy with the bidder. I think they obviously put a lot of time into the bid if the next lowest bid was very close. So, I think they've done their work and I would recommend you go with a little bit there. Do you need a motion from us? >> Yeah, it doesn't say that in the agenda. That's why I'm ask. >> And Bill, what about like the match component? Is that something to bring up? >> I think we need two motions actually. You know, one is to authorize accepting whatever bid at what the price was on your recommendation at the recommendation of the EU district manager and authorized him to sign a contract for that amount. And then we do that. Well, as Roy just pointed out, there is a match >> funding the funding >> match component for this which there is money in your wastewater budget cover. >> What's What is our share out of that? >> Um 51 >> 51%. >> No, 51 >> 51,000 I think it's 10% which is Yeah. >> So 529,800. Um, >> so 52,000 >> it might be 529 980. >> It's in the paperwork that I want. >> Yeah, >> it's 10% 10% of 10%. >> Yeah. >> So you want to >> So the low bid just just to review low bid hilltop 529,800. I'll give this to you all if you want for the minutes. Boulder Excavation 530240 and then J. McDonald 576 576,000. Share this if anybody wants to use it in motion making. >> All right. So I believe that >> Oh, hold on a second. Uh I got to get my cursor where it belongs. Oh say okay Cindy. Yes. that we authorize the board of the federal project in the amount of $549,800 >> that we authoriz to sign the contract. There a second? I say >> uh Okay, I'll probably need a repeat. Cindy moved that we authorize the award for construction of the Thatcherbrook FEMA project to Hilltop. >> Hilltop construction >> of Randall. >> Okay. Hill. That's what I missed. Construction. Oh, give me a second. Construction of Randolph in the amount of >> Thank you. and authorize E the EU intram manager to sign the contract. That's what I've got. Bob seconded it. Well, >> I would sign the contract first. Do the contract. >> So, we vote on this part. Uh, a motion has been made and seconded toward the contract to Hilltop construction in the amount of 500 what >> and to authorize the EU instrument manager to sign that contract. Um, any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. I those opposed motion passes. Um now I think >> thank you listening this week. >> We can authorize the think the share is 10% or >> Yes. Um I could find it here but it is 10%. And this was in the budget for >> I hedged my bets. I didn't know that would go this year. So yes, we can we can move some other manhole store line work around. >> And then 10% is subject to if there's change orders and the price goes up, it's just a 10%. So I think, you know, you just say 10%. >> So come up with Oh. to prove the share of the FEMA sewer erosion protection project at a cost of the FEMA >> construction cost. Natalie made a motion to approve the Ephud share of the FEMA sewer erosion project at the cost of 10% of the FEMA construction cost. >> I I would just say at 10%. You don't need to say cost 10% at 10% of the FEMA construction. >> Yes. So Natalie made a motion to approve the EUD share of the FEMA sewer erosion project at 10% of the FEMA construction cost. Okay. >> Part of the real thing, the sewer line erosion protection project, >> Vader Brook sewer protection and bank stabilization. >> Okay, so we have another friendly agenda. Let's just get it really right. Okay. He said, >> "So, it's not FEMA sewer erosion project. It is FEMA." >> It is the That Thatcher Brook >> Oh, wait a minute. The Thatcher Brook >> sewer protection. >> Sewer protection >> and bank stabilization >> project. >> Okay. Okay, >> we motion has been made and seconded to do all that 10% of that. All those in favor say I. >> I. [laughter] >> Those opposed. Motion passes. So, thank >> So, does your uh company have more dogs or people in the office? >> Depends on the day, honestly. [laughter] see you at your neighbor's house. A lot of the dogs sometimes they all stay there. >> Um, it's SLR consulting. Our office is over the reservoir. >> Yeah. >> And SLR SLR doesn't mean anything. >> No, we were lens reflex. >> There you go. I like that. Um, so Bill, so I think signing that um, FEMA um, contract is key to get that process rolling because that may take a little time. Hopefully they can expedite it because the the contractor is pretty eager to get started. Um, we pushed them back a bit. So I might have to let him know like we're probably, you know, once it goes in for VM, they'll tell me like what a timeline could be. >> We'll get that rolling. single sub. >> Okay, sounds awesome. Thank you so much. >> Well, you'll make Alex happy. >> Yeah, this one's I don't know. Maybe this will be it. Maybe he'll feel he can retire now. >> He's been He's been very helpful on the project the whole way for himself. >> Yeah. >> Good. Thank you for coming. >> All right. Thanks for having look forward to getting this implemented. >> Thank you. All >> next up is uh our one leak rule projects here. You wanna >> who do you want to start with? >> Are we through with the executive car wash or >> Nope. >> No, we're not. >> So executive car wash, I did it based on the two previous billing cycles, >> right? >> You didn't want that. You wanted it based on the same time period from a year ago. just because of just because of the seasonality of that. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, if you base it on the two previous billing cycles, um it is a request of $4,2427 adjustment. If you base it on the same time period from a year ago, it's going to be an adjustment of $4,29044. >> Well, that's that's it's that's good to know. >> Yeah, >> really close. It's good to know that it worked out that way. Thank you so much. >> I would still go with the time period from a year ago. Yeah. >> So, I think it's more >> a little more money that would be given, but that's what I was. >> Okay. So, I'm going to go um this is for executive car wash. Um and you're approving the one from same time period last year. >> Yep. >> Last year from same >> motion. Well, the uh the thing to know about the don't leave rule is that it's you get one leak then you're cut off. You don't get another one. I think it's 10 years. So if the executive firewash is coming in this is the way it's getting it's 1965 or something that >> the uh as I recall >> the uh and but the purpose of the little charging back prior to uh giving relief to back to what it was to earlier period. Uh purpose of that is to incentivize people to fix their water systems right away. If they had two one one bad report which gives some reason but they get two then they haven't they haven't been paying attention to their stuff and we and the so the race that they have to pay is based on period of time before that was where they also had a that's the goal So fix it right away. >> So this fleet didn't spill over into another building or do we know that? >> Well, if it did, it doesn't make any difference, right? There's one leak. >> No. Well, we had this discussion quite a while ago. If a leak is in two billing periods, >> it's one leak, but it's two billing periods. And that's with Clinton Bedell. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> because it wasn't fast enough, you know. I mean, >> it just happened. It just happened to cross a bill. >> Yes. >> One of those like three billi, >> but that's the And that that's the kind of person that >> Which one was the three billing periods? the the guys. It was it was the car wash. They had two billing periods and then there was whether or not third period. It was appeared to have continuing. I was a little bit confused. Well, on the bottom, I did say if the leak spills over into the next billing period, May through July, >> I ask if you'd authorize me to make the second adjustment. >> That' be the third billing period. >> Is it the third billing period? >> Only the first one. This is for February 1st through April 30th. But the u uh there's somebody who could then okay I mean I I'm confused but the the principle is they they everybody pays the rate but in the special case that they have >> I think and it's promptly taken care of then give them take care of it's an accident >> right >> yeah they're not entitled to >> yeah you're We we could say no to a request. >> Yeah. >> Even if it's I mean the first one link, we can say no because they they didn't take action to really deal. >> I would say if it spills into the other one, it's not worried about not to. We'll see. >> You're squared away on the carwalk. >> Well, that's not [laughter] right. authorization to go ahead automatically to approve the second I don't think we automatically approve the second. >> Okay. Okay. Not even a warning about it at this point. >> Yeah. They have to ask they would >> Okay. So you at this point are are granting him the $4,290 executive car wash. $4,29044. >> That's what you said it was comparing to one year. >> That's it. We're considerate it's that's done >> as far as we're done. Yeah. >> Okay. >> He can argue that. >> Okay. >> Done in May as part of one week, but we'll deal with that. >> Okay. >> Okay. But do we do we is this something we take a motion on? We do a motion on >> or is that a consent dec? I didn't get to do it by consensus. >> I would think so too, but I just want to say a minute. By consensus, the commissioners agreed to adjustment of $4,290. by consum committee agreed to grant one week. Cool. Okay. Then the next one we have is LOL and Molly Spain. Not to be confused with Chip Spain. Lol and Molly at 63 South Maine. >> Uh a leak inside the water meter. >> So that's so Tucker Spain is related to the >> uh There's Chip. There's LOL. I don't They both have the name LOL. One goes by Chip, one goes by LOL. I I don't know. >> But they're both these two guys. Look, LOL and Molly live with Tuck. >> This is what I know. Um Chips, [clears throat] Lol Tain, who's about 60 years old, same as me, owns the car wash. His son Tucker owns >> I thought it was Chip. >> Hecker Tucker owns 63 South Main as well as perhaps the laundromat. Okay. >> Andy owns 35 North. >> Okay. from those. >> So, the one at 63 South Main, LOL, whoever, whatever his nickname is, and Molly, they're looking for a one leak request of $1,785. >> I think that's a good one. I think We got to replace the water meter and I just >> because Kenny came and fixed it and replaced the meter which solved the whole issue. >> We So was the meter broken? They didn't actually use the water, right? Or did >> No, I I think they did. Oh, >> the water went through. Okay. So, we in agreement with the testment of $1,785. >> Do we give up a check back or we just >> No, we It either goes as a It goes as a credit on their account. >> He won't be paying a water bill. >> No. >> For years. >> No. Um, >> well, did he unless you didn't pay it and then the credit will, you know, so it's it's not like the money's out of his pocket, right? Did he actually pay $1,900? >> I believe Executive Car Wash paid his entire bill, the 7,300, and he's going to have a credit. And I don't honestly at this point I don't know what Lily did. >> Now my next >> Yeah. >> 1900 [laughter] >> they should ask. If they don't that's fine. It doesn't matter. >> Next one's the Apple guy, right? >> Clinton Bedell. Um, we Woody alerted him to a leak when we were reading the meters back in last week in January. On March 16th, he came stopped by the office and requested an adjustment. And we did adjust his bill $65356. the next billing cycle that went February through April, he got a bill for $2,31512. So, it's one leak, two billing cycles. >> Did he ever do anything at any time to fix this problem? >> I believe this is all part of the same leak on 721. I spoke with Ross Billings from Lloyd Home Services. He said he inspected the house and did not see any wet spots outside and did not see any signs of leakage. And he said so whatever Mr. Bedell had done on his own fixed it. And then when >> he he he I'm sorry but he fixed it when when >> March which was >> it's a second leak then. No. November 1st to January 31st, one billing cycle overcharged him $600. On March, which we're now into the second billing period, he gets another bill for $2,300. So, he came to us after the second billing started. But when you were reading me meters in January, it's like you have a problem. >> It was the last week of January though. >> February. That's when they he found out about the last week in January, >> right? >> So, >> so >> the next building cycle is February through April. Now, the question is, did he did he wait an inordinate amount of time to fix it? That would be the question. Do we But you think it was fixed in March? >> He I said on March 16th, Mr. Bedell stopped by the office, paid that $600 in full, and at that time he requested an adjustment. And I think it was a week or two later, I got a handwritten letter from him saying that he had made the repairs on his own. He may have had trouble um employing somebody to >> Oh yes. >> Yes. >> He as Kaya alluded, I spoke to him on whatever day it was. >> Yeah. >> He seemed responsive, but maybe a person of limited means and >> and as we all know, under good conditions, finding a plumber is >> Yeah. in the winter especially. >> Yeah. >> And and there have been some people that will not go into his home. >> Why did um Ross Billings from July 21 go to inspect your house? >> They were the only ones that would agree to go to to his house and even he said he will not go into the house. >> Okay. So he wanted to so he went in to like verify >> and he said there is no leak at this point. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> I'm not sure I satisfied. So 2000 that's a significant amount of money >> and he did uh Mr. uh Bedell did come in for that bill for the 2,300 bill and he gave me $85 and said that's what you're getting. How much does he I can't tell from this necessarily how much Oh, he uses 300 tier one billion 300 gallons per is that per day or is that total? Down at the bottom you've got water at tier one 864 tier one billing. Yeah, it says he in the billing cycle February through April, he used 50,300 units of water. >> I I understand how how many units does he use? That's what I'm trying to get at. >> Um $864 cents worth. >> Well, that's what in other words in in three months he only uses 300 gallons. >> Um I'm going to guess his usage is very very low. >> Yeah. Well, that's fine. I just want to make sure that we I mean, if we looked at other, >> you know, other bills, you know, when before the league started, what what would you be paying? >> They go about $88 >> is what I've seen. >> Yeah. >> I want to make sure this Where is this? >> Ducks. Stucksbury >> with all the lawnmowers across from Crossro School. >> Okay. >> He sells apples and he and his son collect every junk and all the long sails around and then just store it outside their house. Well, I don't know what's inside. So, we okay with uh rebating this $2,226 and hope this is the end of it? >> Got that, Kyle? >> By consensus. Yep. >> Estimate that I would take so much time. >> You have a way of tracking me. So, there's a red >> Well, funny thing, there is no way of tracking them. So, I've just been putting in them in the billing system as a note, but there's no way I can like if you said who's gotten one league rules this past year, >> no way to track that really. >> Just five spreadsheet with the names. >> Yeah. where it happens >> or at least >> but three years from now we might not >> whenever you do a one leak rule you go to the website and search one leak rule and all of them should come up I don't know but there really should be a >> that would be good and that that way that would help if you had access to that if somebody comes and asks in person you might convert that And then you could have quick conversation with that you had one already, you know, three years ago and that's not going to qualify. Just really speed up things and make you feel. >> Yeah, we may just need to clarify at some point. Does it go with the person? Does it go with property? Somebody who owns multiple properties, do they get just one? Do they get one per property? Do they get one person? We don't need to do that. The policy is very vague from my standpoint. >> I'll put it on the agenda for a future. >> Okay, do that. >> Moving on. Um, new the corrections to the annual report Bob was working on, but you haven't arrived at >> what the amendment would be for the annual report thing. Yeah, there is there's there is appears to be a set of revised numbers here as part of our package. Yes, I did I did print out the the document that was supposed to be included in the EU annual report in its entirety of which only two pages got put into the e um can't explain why um but the information is accurate to the best of my knowledge and the third page or the last page of that you have is the page that was missing Is that this thing, Woody? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And I have asked Wes to include it in all the copies that are in the vault. Whether he how he chooses to bind it or do that is it's his business. But it is not unheard of to pull out old reports and see something pasted over the, you know, or typed in or handwritten saying. So >> there was the revenue uh the large group budgets make it >> Bill is in the process now of looking back at all the transfers water sewers town >> that are supposed to have been made and should have been made in that process. when he gets through with that we will have a cover that or clarif clarification I guess as to why what it is >> and this this is important what the place it was and not that >> I mean if you if you think the last page that says we have $1.5 million is important yeah I guess yeah it would be nice that it's in the report I' I'd say that, you know, continuing to mark up the file copies and approve of this and there's other the other things might not even be necessary. So, you're still working on that? Yeah. What Bill was doing? >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, you can let us get it. So, Bill Chip is still working on it with correction. >> Still working on more corrections. >> Corrections to the end of 2025. >> Right. So the third page page you're adding and you're saying Bill and Woody are still working on more corrections. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Clarification. >> Next up, the duties of the district clerk and treasur. You had that on. You thought somebody had written up something, but then it wasn't. Yeah, what I read was more geared towards the town clerk and land records and other functions. Um, so we don't have a job description, for lack of a better term, of clerk and treasurer for the district. >> If we were to write one, who would do it? >> Well, I think it can be very simple. I don't think you need to to debate too much of it. Um I mean we've been functioning now for x number of months without a clerk. So I don't think the job description should take us a long time to write what we want. But uh >> you know maybe just you know interview just because part of the description should include how much time you know expectation of time it's not a full-time job it's part time but just asking for some highlights so that it's a place to start. Mhm. >> The main two functions are the elections and the annual meeting, right? >> And fair of those like >> if we had a bond vote, bond votes or we had to call on special district. And then the qualifications for doing those things like know how to write would they have to study up on the polling you know state government for how to run these elections. Will could speak to that. Not not will less can speak to >> I think technically the only qualification for the clerk is they have to be district. >> Oh but they have to know how to properly run an election. >> Right. Well, so nobody's going to know that till you've done it. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, it's just sort of it's part of the description of like duties. What >> duties are one thing, but experience is >> okay. Yeah. Person's got to live in the district. We we >> There you go. >> Cannot restrict. >> Well, I was and I voted yesterday. I saw Steve here. If we don't find one before the annual meeting, our elections and things, you have to kind of appoint her to be a temporary clerk to run the election. >> I'm sorry. Who is >> Liz Schel? >> Yes. And that brings up I guess the question of if you want to change that residency requirement requires a vote happen. >> Well change our charter. >> Yes. A vote to change your charter to make sure that the whole you got to go back to the legislature to get your charter. That's a pretty big thing. [clears throat] Barlo said if we wanted to have a clerk that lived outside the district, we had to go call a district meeting and get approval to do that from the people. >> Well, we can do that at our at our annual meeting and then we have to wait another six months before we get to the legislature. >> Yes. >> Then to have your vote, you need a clerk to want your vote. >> [laughter] >> We done it for so >> yeah I mean >> yeah just small thing I can work on a job description for the >> clar yeah she's >> so you >> yeah I'll tackle >> try come up with something and include the treasure as well. Yes. >> When um when the when Gracie begins your operations as interim talent manager nominally end >> cease, right? But I imagine there's going to be some >> Yeah, we can talk later. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's good. It be It be nice don't have so much. >> Yes. >> When does the new one start? >> She start Gracie joined us at a staff meeting this morning and she starts on August 24. So, >> we had our monthly staff meeting in this room. >> So, a week and a half. >> And she was here. >> No, she via Zoom. She's packing and loading up and getting ready for the cross country trip. >> Does she have family? >> She has family and dogs. Yeah, >> that's we heard about the dogs. >> Yeah. >> And they've got housing, right? >> They I didn't get in. They must. They're headed this way. So yeah. >> Yeah, she sent >> in the library. >> No curiosity. >> I don't believe so. >> She sent a nice care package last week with some cookies and other things. >> The staff already likes her better than we question. >> She likes snacks, she said publicly. salad. >> Yes. >> Any person that likes snacks, I'm a fan of. >> Well, while you say that, just to make this about about me, my son hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2017 and did the other two long hikes in the next two years. You know, you have to have a trail name. Everybody has a trail name. And you sign in at all the places that he's so there's a record Paul's name snacks >> snacks >> and he he didn't pick it. I mean it was like this is the guy with all the snacks. >> My son did that. His name was Beef Stick because he had this big beef stick that he had. >> That's great. That is great. Beef stick. Um, next up was uh the BLCT on disadvantage advantage RFP and u I had originally emailed Bill Frasier if he could work on it. He had uh deferred me to the BLC municipal section which we traded email with um Karen Ramsey and she thought we were looking for a merger study. So I explained it wasn't a merger study and she offered to meet with myself and whoever else would like to help. So um you know she's waiting for us to say who is going to meet with her and set up a time. So, um, I'd be happy to join in unless someone else would. Anybody else want to sol you? Rick, I could set up a time and get a draft from them. >> We get a module with them. That'd be nice. Yeah. Then we go to red hand note that Rick and I will leave with the BLCT. Her name is >> Karen Ramsey. >> I'll leave it to you to set it up. I'm free most times. >> Yep. Next up is a draft of the letter to the Vermont Attorney General on the designated water and sewer funding accounts according to the statute. Rick and I had originally talked to Jim Barlo and he drafted a letter that we had only gotten uh just a few days before our last month's meeting >> and we weren't happy with it. >> We since talked to him and revised it which was sent out with the minutes. Um Bob has some thoughts and suggestions. Do you want to share your thoughts or um I saying that that as it's written there's some there is some small possibility that they would decide that not only is it illegal for us to have it this way but we have to give it back to the people who gave us some money. as I think about that's really and I'm I'm happy with it letter as written. >> Okay. >> You're okay with it? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, I think it's important that we kind of agree that we'll live by whatever the 18 says >> I'm not going to agree to that [laughter] for a moment. >> Well, no. I mean, I want to be clear about this. We're asking them for their advice because Bob wants us to. I don't think we need to. Okay. They come back and tell us something. We may we may think great may satisfy you. It might not satisfy me. It might not satisfy you. But what's important here is the AG doesn't regulate us. They have no authority over us. It's an advisory opinion. We don't have to comply with what they say. we we get we argue about we can you know when it comes to the you know they come back and say you know you need to do such and such we think you need to do such and such then we make a decision about whether we do it >> so I'm not going to sit here today and say I will agree that I will agree to >> do what they recommend but >> that's just >> a poor choice of >> okay [laughter] >> but it's a good one a good clarity piece It's it's >> it's an advisory opinion. >> What would h imagine they said something that they thought we ought to do and we still felt that there was wiggle room in the law that would or at least some of us would and we don't we didn't do it and we just kept doing something else. The only way that we'd be held to account for that would be through our voters or through someone taking us to court and that would go through the judicial system and then we have to obey what the judges say. That's fine with me. >> Totally fine. >> That's the way the system the process should work. I just sorry to get a little worked up here. I just am not gonna >> just put in a minute. Rick Weston has refused to accept the >> word. >> I said see attachment. No, but I just wanted >> I just wanted >> So here there's a sentence. >> But I agree with you. I think there's very little this would show up in the next AI search like [laughter] >> Okay. Well, thank you. Well, hang on one second. I just want it. It does say here in the letter, a written opinion from your office would assist the board in assuring that its revenues are accounted. >> Just say that we would do it just it would help us. >> All it says, >> you want to lead it to say a written advisory, you know, opinion or something to that like >> advisory opinion. They have no authority. not >> and that by the way that that wording is borrow the draft the letter that he wrote us >> I took his language the beginning and the end and then >> I decid I felt strongly that we >> quote the statutes in full so there's you know done >> so the homework is done and they know we've read it and they have to read it and so on and then we have the one one question please tell us what you're thinking If you're all happy with that, Skip, you can send it. >> Is that a motion? >> That's a motion. >> The letter a letter, >> you know, in the motion. a letter requesting an advisory opinion >> from the attorney general on >> designated water and reserve front >> on designated water and sewer. >> Say that again. Now, is this Bob saying this or Rick saying this? Okay. Yes. >> What is it going to be? The U authorize I move that we authorize its sign the >> letter to the attorney general on designated water and sugar reserve clubs >> request an advisory opinion on designated sewer and water and sewer reserve funds. >> Bob made the motion to authorize Skip to sign the letter to the attorney general's >> general requesting >> an advisory opinion. >> An advisory opinion. Yeah. >> On designated water and sewer reserve. >> Designated water and sewer reserve funds. Okay. >> Second. >> I seconded it. >> I would I would actually say that motion should say send the letter rather than sign. Sign is fine. Sign is fine. Yeah. >> Do something. >> Yes. [clears throat] Sign it, but don't send it to me. [laughter] >> Are you getting a letter and send me? >> Yeah. >> Yes. Oh, yes. Oh, we're going to vote, aren't we? >> Yes. >> What a surprise. I'm all set. >> Motion has been made. executive who authorized the but the chairman to sign the letter to the AGS about uh an advisory opinion on designated water and sewer reverse reserve funds. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Those opposed motion passes. I was going to suggest that we send this along otherwise the guys don't look at the annual reports and I don't I don't think they're going to look at anything. They don't need to look at the reports. The question is about statutory interpretation. I wouldn't send them anything. >> We said if you if you did say if you feel you need more information, we'll send it to you. >> Okay. But it would it would surprise me if they come back with a an opinion that is that is informed by how much money we're talking about. It's a statutory interpretation. If they say it looks like you got a ton of money and maybe you ought to do something that's going to be real. I mean >> I I I think it's the statutory interpretation. What do the statutes mean? They say nothing about levels. >> Okay. >> But we did say we'll send them that information. They won't. >> We'll see what they say. They may not a lot of right for us. >> Well, [laughter] let me tell you one time million disappeared. Look at the annual reports and we'll be up to our elbows agents. But yeah, don't worry about it. Never happened. I'm not worried about that at all. Especially if they look at our minutes and it says we found a mistake in our annual reports. I mean, >> I'm not worried about any of that. >> Moving right on. >> Nobody No municipal officer has been sent to jail in Vermont for trying to do its job. >> Is the uh faithfully openly schedule of the next watershed meeting. Woody has a little update on activities. Well, let's start with this and realistically it seems like October would be >> October last time to have next month because I've been up to my neck in work and also things. So >> yeah, and people will be back from the summer. The summer's been rough and I've been pretty busy with the house. So >> we do it at the fire station or >> Yeah. >> Well, we will we will in the next couple of weeks get back together with David and this out. Ben and Jerry didn't get back. So I got a follow and others. Uh we got an interesting I was very happy to see an email from Valerie today that she personally doesn't think well there should be recreational activities. It was just an aside in the email about the the website and I thought great. Uh so you know we have local folks. >> We got some voices. >> You got some voices. That's great. It's good to have >> um yeah we'll make sure make sure she's aware of the media. But yeah, >> I I thought that was great. Um, we'll get this going. It's just been it's been a long and busy summer. Sorry. I do think um I don't know who updates our website stuff that I forwarded that link to Valerie. I don't know if it works. And I have no idea how we post that link on our website. Uh, and then what section do we want it to be under? Is it under the new section we kind of created there with? >> Probably should be. >> Yeah. >> But Cheryl has Cheryl been doing that for us? >> Yes. I we had not put anything up because I was under the understanding I was waiting for this court to tell me put the document up. That was I think the last that was June's perhaps June's EUD meeting or I think I was waiting for that. So we're all comfortable with the report. There's two there's two things. There's a PDF of the paper copy. Yep. >> And then there's well actually there's three things. There's kind of the it looks like a PowerPoint presentation of their talk. >> Then there's the Orca recorded meeting >> and the Orca one's already up on Orca's website. I found it. >> Right. And should we put something on our site that our meetings are recorded but you got to go to orca to find it? >> Yeah, why not? Yes, absolutely. >> There's something there. >> I think there already is. >> There is. Yeah. >> But we can say we can this is we should spend some time on their website. >> So you have a good point though. Who is doing you know who at the town? I guess this is one of those shared >> there >> uh activities. There's multiple people who can add things to the website. Um, technically Cheryl's communication has a communications function to her job description as as well as her zoning duties. But as you're aware, Cheryl is a town employee, not >> Yeah, to get it up that on the website's not that difficult. As I said, I was just waiting for when we all watched that presentation on in May. I was under the understanding it's like, okay, looks good, but let's read it and make sure there's not any inaccuracies there that before we put it on our site. So, I looked through it. I thought it was very good, and I have no putting it. I've read it and I would love to see this. >> And while we spoke here, I mean to Valerie's point on website stuff, I contacted Cheryl and said, "Make sure Karen's name's off all the stuff on the website and she said she said they message me back five minutes later." No. So, >> good, good, good. Um well then should we say by consensus uh you know the board is instructing Woody to put the link to >> add those to the links >> add those links of the presentation to our website. >> Yeah that would be great. >> Thank you. And you want to share the latest report? >> Yeah I mean Rick had contacted me shortly after I got back from vacation. Um, somebody was riding their bike through the waterworks and they spotted a vehicle that they believe >> was riding their bike. >> No, no, no. Through the waterworks on the road. >> Oh, okay. Thank you. >> And they spotted a vehicle that they believe that the individual is was up there cutting trails. The person perhaps has a history of doing such things. Um, and this conscientious ride on the road biker told us, you know, what he thought was happening. >> Okay. >> So, I contacted the state police. I have yet to hear back from the state police. Our state troops has to I don't think there's anything we catch him in the act, but I I ask that they see what this guy might have to say for himself. Good. Thank you. >> So that you get in a minute. We're looking for a date in October for that. >> October would be the best time to have the next publicformational meeting on the watershed. >> Right. Got it. >> And then by consensus, the board is instructing Woody to add two links to the website for the watershed presentation. >> For the UVM watershed presentations presentation. Yes. Yeah. >> And it was two links, right? >> Yeah. One is the >> story map. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Is the report >> of >> the east wind project we talked about at the last meeting getting a change or >> Yeah. I apologize. This was not in your packet, but this is the amendment number one to the engineering services agreement from Dofrain Group. Um, with regard, >> yeah, we did not. This is the amendment number one, which they said, um, you know, we'd like to get started on, but of course, Woody, you haven't signed the original agreement, which was from three months ago. So uh we can't really amend something we haven't don't have an original agreement to. So that's all signed and delivered to them. But now we have amendment number one which will cover the engineering services for the additional work from McNeel out along 100. Um, and I think it's it's timely that you're meeting now and that this project, if it is going to progress quickly, this portion would need to be approved and authorized me to sign. >> So, this amendments for $41,300. 50,000 of it was to do some site management drilling in front of the snow station because there was a still there a number of years ago. >> Right. >> The good news is the groundwater flow is away from 100. So it's probably not going to be an issue but do have to go through that exercise of having a contract on both holes in the same. >> Okay. So and so this is just make sure I this is additional work for on the other side of the road >> engineering. >> Engineering. >> Yeah. We have yet to have a price from the contractor >> for the actual work. >> Yeah. >> When we say engineering work now, I'm just asking this is pre >> Yeah. 15,000 for the soil management for lay the layout of by the >> prep stuff. >> Yeah. Yes. >> And construction services during the building >> all the construction services being overseeing the Yeah, that's what I that's what we talked about. Okay. So it's amendment one is from Drain Group for additional engineering work on the west side of Route 100. Okay. >> This is monies that are coming from Yeah. >> You wouldn't have to have another copy of that, would you? So I can include it. So if we uh do this, we don't go to bid again, but we negotiate a price to do it. >> This is not a negotiation. It is >> no no for this construction work. >> So you would want a motion. I move that we authorize >> that in Cindy is recusing itself. We say that afterwards. >> Okay. I move that we authorize Woody to sign amendment one >> with defragment for >> to the engineering services agreement for the east wind system extension dated August 4. Dated August 4th. I second. >> The motion has been made and seconded to authorize the interim district manager to sign the amendment to the owner's entry unit agreement with the new frame group dated August 4, 2027. All those in favor say I. I. >> I. >> Those opposed. Motion passes. >> Thank you. >> So, just a couple other things on the project. At this point, there's been roughly $60,000 in change orders. Um, that represents 5% of the construction contract value. Um and the change orders have been for tree clearing. Um changes in alignment and associated blasting because of the discovery that some of the on-site systems were not where they were going to be. Um and that's it at this point. Um, going forward, I am a little nervous um about being able to get this change order approved by this group because we are pushing the fact that we have used the money this calendar year for one of the two grants. Um, in reality, the change order will not be priced probably until within the next 10 days or so. So, that means it would come to you in September. >> Do you want to have a special meeting? >> Special meeting. I don't know how you want to do it, but >> if it's if time is of the essence, >> no, I think the special meeting did that's only 24hour notice notice. >> Yeah, we don't want to lose. >> No, I think >> important to do it on like that, you know, get the frost and whoever. We will jump when you say jump. Thank you. Thank you, Woody. Thank you. You know, >> so when do you think the trailer park will get connected? >> Well, >> well, they're waiting on some parts for the PRV, which is the last connection before the trailer park. The state of course has to permit all these things to happen. Um, >> so it's they thought the parts were shipped. >> They were supposed to be shipped this week. This is a specialty valve and because this is a by America America project, any specialty stuff takes. >> So yeah, and they have to bring a they have no crew on site anymore. So they'll have to bring us back for that stuff. >> And the other guy that had to have this fire tank and stuff, he is a connected up. >> Nobody nobody's connected except our people who were our original customers. We rerouted them, rerouted them onto the new line. Um, and then point of just interest that the other day, um, one of those new C, one of those existing customers that's tapped off the new line said their water tasted a little funny. Um, to give your crew a lot of credit, they went out, tested the water. Um, it had a high pH, 9.8. Um but you know, we're thinking the cement lining on the on the ductal iron pipe just with that water sitting there. >> Yeah. But uh for one, it's very perceptive of the our customer to notice and it was it was great our guys picked up the test. >> So that flush out or something. >> So this flow >> Yeah. Yeah. Just needs to flow. And have you had any bites interest from other residents that are nearby? >> There's been some interest um yeah with a couple homeowners who are just basically waiting um trailer park and the chocolate factory guy and the people on if we can get that portion to >> get closer. And to do frames credit even before the signing of this engineering services agreement you know they did they've started all the permit work most of them are in review now so they they didn't wait for the signature that they were knowing in this type um next Um, chip program. CHIPS program. Um, you nominated me for the housing committee [laughter] and I've spent a lot of time educating everyone what EU doesn't do and what it does do. And uh Woody's been in a number of programs where we talked about this CHIPS program. They came up at that more of Dutchbury. The community housing infrastructure program which is uh I don't know community housing and affairs I guess came up with this program to encourage housing that the town has to adopt some rules. I'm not sure exactly what the rules are for housing that lets future tax benefits from the housing get to pay off the loan if a developer you know where you have to build a lot of infrastructure roads water sewer whatever um so they keep asking you know if you know going to be okay with this and I said okay wherever you go they're just going to have to build it um and things and I don't understand the taxing part but Joe Camarada who is chairman of the housing group this uh pretty well so I was going to invite him to our September meeting to brief you guys on the chips program is the town hasn't done anything yet >> everybody's talking about stickling Watson of the site as big as chips would be a factor in that. I said, um, it's it's not a great project because there's not a lot of infrastructure to build for it. There's not a lot of roads, water, sewer lines are not 10 miles away. >> I don't think I I don't think I understand what you mean. Why is that make it bad? because of the funding. >> Well, there's not a the developer is not going to have to spend millions on infrastructure, >> right? Because the infrastructure would be paid for through >> No, there isn't a lot of infrastructure to build >> at the Stanley Wson >> at that location. I'm just saying what what CHIPS is, I really don't know. CHIPS >> community housing infrastructure, >> but the what taxes will pay off these taxes. Uh >> property taxes. This is >> I don't know about property tax because the state doesn't affect your crop. It's taxes that the state >> Oh, the state taxes where you know that's their internal sort of >> so use of the money that they collect. They want to create this new >> can go back to pay the >> I thought it might do [clears throat] waterberry property tax. No, state will do that. I think they have to designate where they want the housing to be. >> Okay. And they can help the costs to make >> it's supposed to be an incentive for the developer to use this program and locate there because we could get tips money to help offset this. >> So, yeah. Um I think >> Let's hear about it. Yeah. Um, the biggest thing we can do is say we'll set aside 25 50,000 gallons of water and sewer. Wherever you want to go, you get we you get it. >> Yeah. And and the chips program can help pay for the extension of our services. We >> Well, yes, but it's that's not our pay the developers, >> right? But I mean all we have to do is participate by saying how much allocation is there that we have to you know know that we can supply. I get that. But um yeah so somebody will pay our bill like that. >> There's a lot of information online if you want them >> webinars and all sorts of things that the state has rolled out for these skips. Exactly. Right. extended loss. It's not a example at all. But if to say a farm or uh at the end of Lincoln Street, Al Kelly's property, places where you might have to extend the town road, extend the sewer system, extend the storm water, those are more in my mind >> examples. So how does Woody Avenue fit into that? >> There's a little bit of sewer expansion that would happen there, but that's yeah, small. I have been hearing from other municipalities with public works that they are concerned about this program because there's so much pressure >> that >> to build housing. >> Yeah. That they may pushed into doing rapid fire expansion of water and sewer systems, >> right? >> Because developers Are [clears throat] there some communities that build the water and sewer >> that it's not the developers? >> I don't know. It's usually a development, >> but it's still a c a capacity question and it accelerates the, you know, investment in new facilities and that sort of thing. So yeah, that's a long-term planning question that you know that one wants to think about. Absolutely. >> There's probably not many communities that are in the same situation we are with the capacity of [clears throat] their we >> but county mic especially on the water side. Skip figured out how to get the government to pay for the same stretcher fight three times right down that corner townice. >> He made it pay for a third time. >> It was only twice. >> And no at no time do my fingers leave my hand. [laughter] >> Okay. And uh next up uh we haven't uh signed our rules and procedures, but there was one thing that the select board does that I took notice of um it was when people I assume we let people into this. I'm not sure we did today. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> You got everybody in? No, we it today we didn't because we >> because we are just one of them. >> Yeah. >> That they have to sign in with their first and last name in order for them to let them in. >> We've had some people who just had an initial or something up there and they we'd asked them who they were. They didn't say anything. Um, so whether that was something we'd want to put into our procedures to get into the meeting, you gota at least know who was there. That's another thing I think we needed the minutes is who attended by Zoom. I don't know. >> I always put them there. >> Yeah. Okay. I'm all for adding this. I would change the second sentence, but I all for adding. Oh, but do we does it you're getting a name, but there's no other identifying like EU customer or an address or >> Well, we don't we never ask the people. We only do at our annual meeting of course we if you don't know somebody >> well they they get >> you have to ask them and say what >> right >> can you vote where do you live and all that >> right we have not we have during these meetings we haven't yeah I mean anybody >> everybody is welcome I understand that I just thought maybe you know a perspective >> it was my understanding we couldn't ask how could you needed to identify yourself if you wanted to speak or particip But if you wanted to be in the meeting, they'll have to identify. That's my understanding of the >> Oh, well then then we would want to change this. Zoom attendees who wish to speak must give their fir I just say give their first and last names and turn on their cameras. That would be the line. If if if >> it might >> if you're >> Yeah, >> I agree actually because we have people come in here. We don't tell them. We it's only when they speak when we ask their name. Same thing there. So >> I attend a lot of virtual meetings on contentious issues >> and there are people that will not identify themselves. They just lurk and that's that's really tough sometimes to have that happen >> and I don't know how you can enforce it. I think it's a great idea, but I >> Yeah, >> I would love to hear the LCTs. >> Oh, we'll ask them while we're there. >> Yeah, please. >> So, so given what Bill said, I think that's right. Zoom attendees who wish to speak must give their first and last names and turn on their camera. Yeah. And I may not have copied what some words. >> We haven't signed this yet. That could be added to it and we can sign it. >> Got a motion. >> I move that we >> Hold on. Rick moves. >> Okay. Who typed Who typed this? I did. Okay. So, I move that we add to our >> rules of procedure >> to to EUD's rules of procedure. A the follow the uh the following. Yeah. Zoom attendees >> who wish to speak >> during a we call them board meetings or commission meetings who wish to speak during a board meeting must give their first and last names and turn on their cameras. when it's going to speak when it's >> now believe it I don't mind reading it like that but the only thing is it's possible that camera doesn't work >> and I just said must >> or they don't have a >> or they don't have a camera and that happens at times they're on the phone >> um must turn on camera. One speed. The camera would put parenthetically if available. After the word camera is put in parenthesis if available then >> like and with an A. >> No, her name is there too. >> Her name is there. Well, her name is there. >> No, but she goes when she's >> she's got a camera in order to get an A. >> Oh, I see. I see. She can turn that A into her face. Well, otherwise >> we don't accept the a we, you know, emojis for that, >> right? But if she said, "I can't find the camera button," we'd let her speak because we all know. So, so if available, I think is a qualifying could be abused, but it's I'm not worried about it. >> We did correct an important misspelling of number eight at one at 28 North Main Street, not Mason Street. Yeah. Oh, don't that doesn't need to go in the in the minutes. >> That's just a Yes. >> Yes. So, is there a second to Rick's motion? >> I'll second it. >> Motion seconded by Cindy. >> You got it in. Okay. Most been made seconded to amend the defund rules of procedures to require the giving of your first and last name and turning on your camera if you wish for Zoom attendees to give their last name first class name and turn on their cameras and available to speak at all those in favor Say I. >> I. >> Those opposed. Motion passes. >> U. Next up is possible joint meeting with the select board. Couple three weeks ago, I got an email from Martha that wanted the invite to their meeting for 10 minutes just to share what you were thinking and I thought about that said I don't to myself we shouldn't be going there as a board unless we're in a more meeting of our own the open meeting law says you can't have a meeting unless you have an agent that you have to deal. So, um I wrote I think I copied everybody that u [clears throat] anytime more than two of us go to a select board meeting, I think it should be a board meeting. So, um and I was a little annoyed. She said that we were going to we only had 10 minutes, but she wanted all of us to convene for 10 minutes at a select court. And I just kind of thought, you know, Woody's there or I could go and update them on stuff without requiring all five of us to be there just for 10 minutes. So, >> I I read that what you sent to us and my gut was she understand we're a municipality too. >> She does. She does. But she does. Wasn't Yeah. No, I I I my feeling about this is I I really appreciate reaching out wanting to understand what you've got and I totally appreciate Skip's reaction to which I didn't it didn't come to my mind. So yeah, let's have a >> I mean yeah, >> let's have a joint meeting and I'm happy to keep it 20 minutes or 30 doesn't have to go on forever. goes too long, we'll start talking about all kinds of things. You never know what'll happen then, you know. But I think maybe u when we get our whatever criteria and rules for the watershed are going to be might have a meeting to brief them on what it was going to be and maybe this ships thing if they decide where they want them. You know what we could talk about. So, I just wanted to see what you folks thought that we were in a meeting, but it should be a warrant meeting. >> Yes. Have an agenda, you know, that the group said, you know, you know, we're not like these other boards. >> That again, that was the point of me. I had told her I she had mentioned it to me before she reached out to Skip and I and I had said you know we are municipality we're not like the conservation commission but I didn't say anything more than that I didn't really think you know I didn't like so it's you know you what I did what I think I did say I think Skip's gonna have an opinion about is what I think I said and uh you know, being summoned to the select board was not the feeling that you want to convey, but it was fine. And, you know, she's been knocking herself out. Look at all the stuff on their plate in the last six months. >> They probably think we are. >> Yeah. >> So, what we do is we should think about what we want to say. >> Yeah. You're absolutely right. >> So, >> with that department report, >> they look good to me. >> Yeah. >> I'm a little concerned. Maybe I'm misling it, but it seems like there's a lot of time being spent on hydrants. Oh, wellies around them and winter shoing them out. >> It It's like your dental hygienist who spends a lot of time flossing. You know, you got five members on the fire department over your water. So, >> um >> Oh, yes. >> Yeah. So, the hydrants do get very well. They replaced They were actually today digging the hydrant down at the ice center, which is NP for some strange reason. But yeah, it's that kind of the you know when you know dental hygienists are flossers because that's what they care about and firefighters care about fire. Yeah. >> Well, it is public safety. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But they need up to also keep their eye on the regulatory aspects. >> Yes. No. >> Sure. The consumer confidence report that's helpful. Yeah. >> Was there an official switch from the red and white hydrants to the red and black hydrants or you just had black paint? >> No. No, they that was their choice. I I don't micromanage the hybrid color. Um, yeah, but like I said, I mean, I can remember back to 30 years ago when every hybrid had was rust color, you know, and and the caps never came off and, you know, that most of them weren't fun. I mean, most honestly, um, we had we had the water to go away, but you know, um, and I will say the attention to detail they show now, a lot of times just spinning the caps off, greasing them, putting them back on, >> putting markers on the hydrating Oh yeah. >> Newly painted. >> Well, you might want to I don't think they heard you say that again. >> We should send the town bill. Even if they don't pay it, you know the u it just you know it's the town function. >> Yeah. The um whenever we do that >> send them the bill and say this is our charitable contribution to the type of that might be the better way. We're putting up the new, you know, 100, >> you know, make a little make sure people remember that we are good stewards of >> well somehow >> Cheryl is doing our website. >> Yes, that's one of the things you want to say that we're not doing for the hydrants. [laughter] >> Consider yourselves lucky. >> All right. No, I'm just >> Well, in the past, we've always kept track of when there's a major fire in the town, how much water was actually used. Never sent anybody a bill, but we kept track of it just out of >> We track the the whole water, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We do. >> Yeah. Although we never >> then we definitely keep track. [laughter] >> We never used to build them for the wastewater. Yeah, that's okay. >> Yeah, there's >> some towns have a hydra tax, too. >> Okay. >> Yeah, there and there are things. Yeah, some towns uh charge for sprinkler connections. We do a lot of those things free. >> We uh that Yes. Right. To the Zack Row and that sort of thing. >> Well, no, like that um the Squire House has a sprinkler line attached >> your neighbor. So there some that's that ability to have that. >> He's the person who lives next door to me. I wouldn't have called him my >> but that's a private thing. That was a private enterprise, right? >> Yes. But it's the the abil the having that sprinkler connection >> and having that water available to you. >> Is the sprinkler connection separate from the uh >> Yes. >> Okay. That's why >> but some municipalities will bill for a spring connection differently at much higher rate than they will res. We treat our hydrants under the one week. [laughter] um under environment reports obligatory it's kind of a new guy thing which is um in the past bill there had kind of adopted the standard legal form that people sign to get their loans uh and Woody, I talked to somebody. It's been a month since we approved the l that loan and he's had I don't know one attorney Barlo didn't want to do it. Somebody else that um he wondered if we would say okay to be using those standard forms to do the >> loan that we did for the bid well instead of doing individual attorneys every time. We used to have the the loan recipients pay the legal bill. So, um I don't know if you want to >> No, I'm I'm comfortable using the same forms we've used for the nine or so other loans we had to help an attorney looking at them. >> Did attorney look at the original one? >> Yes, it was developed by attorney. Okay. Chef left, we keep paying a single bill every time and all they do is change the day. So, >> we're okay with that. >> Yep. >> Yeah, we've already authorized him to sign the come to to make a loan. So, yes. And yeah, to Tyler's point on the UDAC stuff, he he said this is kind of unusual because before he got his when he got his other loan, he said I didn't meet with anybody. >> Yeah, I that was >> so he said this is all new to you. >> Well, this is terms down. But I don't I don't >> They did. Yeah, they they came back and then the committee >> expensive. Yeah. >> They committee said we can't really recommend. Um so that's >> Yeah. >> You know why not? >> Oh, and to the UDAG stuff for uh amps the treehouse is completely paid off there. >> Yeah. Isn't that great? >> Big check. >> How much was that? 25 grand, wasn't it? >> Somewhere in that. Excellent. I guess that's >> I bet any amount of money against >> Well, you did. You did that. You got $25,000, Bob. >> And you and you won. Came back. >> Yeah. and also for a future agenda item there >> the coming up of the ice center >> another period that we ought to begin >> I don't know whether we start talking to the committee about the loan committ September this it's not this year it's next year right or is it this year >> oh it's this year >> what in in a month >> no I >> I thought >> no >> you think it's 26 6. >> I thought it was 27. >> I think it's >> okay. >> Yeah. I don't I was under the impression it was coming right up. >> Wow. Well, that's not good if it was if it is. But if it's a year from now, >> we could >> we should start we should start talking to them. >> Yeah. >> And the loan committee >> I don't think the loan committee >> has anything to do with it. That was all from us and >> they have nothing and they're busy on we might want their advice but they can take a look at the financials. We're gonna we don't want financials. We don't want all kinds. >> But it is I'm not well it's just a talk of them to say that we've had a big hiatus. We want you to be prepared that we have expectations of, you know, >> this is going to start up and they can respond with whatever respond but >> they're going to >> and we could committee to help us because they are the body that's is an advisory. >> Yes. That's all all true too, but but I agree that we we should >> go to them soon and say we're expecting you to start paying, >> right? You should be looking at your finances. How much >> Yeah. >> can pay off. Don't >> story about you need two ice rinks to make any money. >> Yeah. That my uh son has spent half a lifetime in hockey rings and is interested in business. He says it's not possible. There's no business plan that succeeds in the long term. It doesn't have two rings in a bar. Two drinks in a bar. >> Two drinks in a bar. >> So, in order for these guys to make it, they're going to have to really be creative or something. >> They need to get a liquor license. [laughter] >> No, I get it. No, I fully understand. Yeah, >> but they do have from what I hear is just anecdotal just like no time, no ice available ice time. So, that means people paying are they paying enough? I mean, they have to have a business plan, >> but they don't they don't have revenues to pay back their loan that they're not charging. >> Yeah. Or not having enough people to build, but I understand that they're very successful with interest and >> but I don't that's anecdote. >> And it's a nice news to hear, but maybe they're not doing so. >> I'm sure we'll see. And there there will be people who shouldn't but we should so let's find out it should be September 27 and let's now [clears throat] be a good time >> now would be a good time to get them let them know that we're watching >> all that often so you know >> yeah I don't know if Jonathan Seagull and Mike Thompson are still big. And >> well, we'll check on that. We >> talk about it. >> I move we adjourn. >> I We're right on time. Exactly on time. >> [music] [music]