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The video transcript explores the complex intersection of post-colonial identity, xenophobia, and the philosophical concept of Ubuntu within South Africa and the broader African diaspora. The discussion begins by questioning whether current leaders truly embody human rights ideals, contrasting figures like Gaddafi or Castro with the legacy of Nelson Mandela. A central argument presented is that political analysts often mistakenly assume their enemies must be viewed as universal enemies, a perspective that ignores the deeper class-based antagonisms and capital incentives that root many conflicts. The speaker emphasizes Kwame Ture's insight that analyzing the oppressed without acknowledging the oppressor leads to misplaced blame on the victims rather than recognizing the full historical context of their conditions.
A significant portion of the dialogue addresses the irony of South Africa's behavior, particularly its rise in xenophobic attitudes despite being the birthplace of Ubuntu—a philosophy defining humanity through interconnected relationships. The speaker notes a pervasive narrative suggesting that Nelson Mandela was not his authentic self after release, citing rumors that he stopped speaking his native Xhosa language, which serves as a metaphor for a perceived loss of identity or authenticity. This skepticism extends to other historical figures and events, such as the conspiracy theories surrounding Gucci Mane's imprisonment, highlighting how distrust can distort the perception of heroes who championed emancipation from apartheid. The conversation critiques the tendency to attribute all African dysfunction solely to white interference, arguing that this view diminishes Black agency and ignores pre-colonial dysfunctions that existed long before slavery or colonialism.
The transcript further delves into the linguistic and conceptual distinctions regarding slavery, referencing Ta-Nehisi Coates' correction of the term "slaves" to "enslaved people." This distinction underscores that while the condition of enslavement was imposed by others, it did not define the humanity, culture, or identity of the victims, whose lives were filled with singing, dancing, and mourning. The speaker argues that focusing exclusively on white culpability allows African societies to overlook their own foundational issues and tribal tendencies that predate colonialism. By framing all problems as a result of external forces, communities risk ignoring the internal work necessary to address persistent cultural dysfunctions, such as overt tribalism and xenophobia, which are sometimes more pronounced in Africa than in European or Asian counterparts.
Ultimately, the video concludes with a call for a balanced historical analysis that honors African contributions like Ubuntu while honestly confronting both colonial impacts and indigenous challenges. The speaker warns against the "pro-black fatigue" that arises when narratives become too focused on white guilt, suggesting this hinders progress by preventing communities from taking ownership of their destinies. Instead of viewing history as a linear progression from slavery to freedom, the discussion advocates for recognizing African history and culture as existing independently before colonization. The final message encourages viewers to look beyond surface-level explanations of dysfunction and to engage in honest conversations about how both external oppression and internal societal structures shape current realities, urging a move toward self-reliance and a more nuanced understanding of the past.
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I'm just wondering are these your models
of leaders of human rights and if so
would you want a Gaddafi or an Arafat or
a Castro to be a future president of
South Africa?
>> One of the mistakes
which has some political analysts make
is to think that
their enemies
should be our enemies.
>> I mean I'm I'm I'm glad that you
mentioned apartheid or that your homeboy
mentioned apartheid in the making of
this particular type of issue. I
you know, in in my analysis I'm I'm
constantly when we assess these problems
like deducing or reducing boiling off
layer by layer by layer and we we
usually get back down to some type of
capital incentive or class-based, you
know, antagonism at the root of this.
Kwame Ture
he said that you can never make an
analysis of the oppressed in any aspect
of their lives and leave out the
oppressor because if you do that, then
you'll blame the oppressed for their
condition rather than, you know, like
recognizing the full context. That being
said,
here we are and I don't really
I don't really believe in holding white
people accountable. I don't know that
that works to to say, you know, what
they've done and expect them to do any
better OR DIFFERENT.
>> I'M SORRY Y'ALL, BUT I'M FEELING
STRAIGHT BIGGER. The fools NEVER LEARN.
HARDCORE [ __ ]
>> [screaming]
>> I'M SORRY.
BUT BUT YOU KNOW, IN so far I think it's
actually the South Africans and it's
really sad. I think it's the South
Africans who came up with Ubuntu
ontology, right? This this idea that
that that our strength is in each other
necessarily
in in this like cosmic definitive aspect
of what it is to be a human being or or
especially a black man or woman on this
planet is that we're defined in our in
our relationships to each other and then
to see
South Africa behaving in this manner.
I think it's been a long standing kind
of
critique of South Africans when you get
together with people from you know
across the diaspora or even you know
continental continentally born and
raised Africans. When we talk about
different Africans from different
places, the South Africans constantly
come up in conversations as people who
are kind of arrogant and think that
they're better than others.
And I just I just find that so ironic
and sad to to see how
am I going to say? I'm going to go ahead
and say it, you know, how far they've
fallen from this this like historic
contribution to the Pan-African
worldview and tradition to to where they
are now. It makes me sad.
>> Yeah.
So, I used to
I used to have a lot of conversations
with a few South African people that I
know.
And something that always came up was
that
there is a conspiracy theory for lack of
a better term that
who we who we remember as Nelson Mandela
wasn't actually Nelson Mandela.
It's it's the whole you know, when Gucci
Mane came out of prison and people say
he was a he was a clone, that's not
Gucci Mane.
>> Uh let me let y'all know something.
Okay, you can't cure stupid. Now, this
whole Gucci Mane is a clone thing has
been going on around and to be honest
man, from what I see, I mean 70% of the
people talking about it on social media,
they're really trolling a joke and they
don't believe it. Okay, now you're
probably saying what happened to the
other 30? Now, the other 30 is just flat
out [ __ ] stupid, okay?
>> It's a similar thing with Nelson Mandela
and and one of the best points
that were made was
when he went before he went to prison,
he would regularly speak Xhosa. That
That's his native native language. Upon
coming out of prison, he
rarely, if ever, spoke Xhosa publicly.
>> Rumors claim that Mandela, after his
release, never spoke Xhosa, leading to
the sudden discovery of videos showing
him speaking the language. [music]
>> [music]
>> Nelson Mandela was great, don't get me
wrong. Just you couldn't concentrate cuz
the voice thing, you know? Cuz he had
that thing. It was cool, you know? But
then it was like you'd hear him
initially and then you just get
hypnotized after a while.
Yeah, cuz he'd have that whole like he'd
start off and he'd be like,
"Ah, that pepper."
And then all we'd hear is
>> [applause]
>> I love you, man.
>> Yeah.
>> And then kind of something you brought
up, I think last week or the week before
last, if if the West is embracing me,
know that I've sold you out.
>> Facts.
>> Right? So So there's there's a
there's even a distrust of
who is considered
the hero, the champion of, you know, the
the emancipation from apartheid.
And I think that I I I think two things.
I think I think two things, right? I
think number one, like I said last week,
the pro-black fatigue part one and part
two, or was it 2 weeks ago?
>> A couple weeks ago.
>> I think we give Yeah, I think we give
white people too much credit, right?
And I think that Like one thing that
pops in my mind, Ta-Nehisi Coates,
I I was
watching an interview of him and he
he corrected the interviewer because
they were talking about slavery.
And the interviewer said something
something slaves blah blah. He said, "We
need to fix that vocabulary. They
weren't slaves, they were enslaved
people. There's there's a distinction."
>> Slave sounds like something that the
person is
as opposed to
the condition which somebody else put
upon them. Black people in this country
from the period of 1619 to to uh
uh uh to 1865
were not slaves, they were enslaved. The
thing was done to them. And underneath
of that was all of their humanity, all
of their, you know, identity, all the
laughing, all the crying, all the
mourning, all the singing, all the
dancing. It was not um what was done to
them was not their identity.
>> And from his perspective
he where he was coming from was like
a lot of the conversation or dialogue
around black history starts from slavery
and then goes forward.
Which I think is a great point, right?
African history
existed pre-colonialism, pre-slavery.
>> Yes.
>> What I want to say is African
dysfunction
also existed
pre-colonialism,
pre-slavery.
>> Mhm. Mhm.
>> And I think often when we start
discourse around our dysfunction
from slavery
that's what I mean by we give white
people too much credit.
>> Yeah.
>> I think
what's happening in
South Africa
is what is happening in other places in
Africa and in you know, in Nigeria
it's what's happening in um
Rwanda. Obviously that led to a civil
war where
was it a million people died in 100
days?
>> Right.
>> I think if we are so preoccupied
with
unpacking, clarifying
how white
interference
messed us over.
I think the opportunity cost is a lot of
the groundwork, a lot of the
foundational
dysfunction that is, you know,
persistent in all our cultures, they
kind of get ignored.
And I'm really interested in
conversations around why is
the African, more specifically,
at least
overtly more tribal?
>> What's your name, my man?
What about you?
What's your name, my man?
>> More xenophobic.
Obviously, we don't have a monopoly on
that.
>> Mhm.
>> But on the surface, why do we
default to that so quickly and so easily
relative to our European and and Asian
Asian counterparts?
>> [music]
>> I'll express
several disagreements before coming to
the
>> Go to him, man.
>> the end question that you asked.
And I guess my first disagreement is
that without without disagreeing
entirely that we give white people too
much credit, I think that that
terminology too much credit can be a
little bit vague. So, like more
specifically,
if we frame everything around white
folks
and we attribute our inability to do
things to white folks,
that
that diminishes our agency in terms of
narratives that we construct about
ourselves and our destinies. As long as
white folks are bad and up to no good,
that means it will never prosper. That's
some bull Can I say that? Bull stuff.
That's some bull stuff. I don't want to
get in trouble here.
Now, with with that said, Kwame Ture,
once again, right? If you if you were
you assess the conditions of the
oppressed without considering the input
of the oppressor, then you'll you'll
constantly blame the oppressed. And that
that to me is a is is really significant
issue. One of the things that I heard
you say is that um our people's
dysfunction predates slavery. Yes, this
is true. This is certainly true.
But part of part of assessing
the the the current conditions and the
inputs of white folks
against our historic kind of like
contributions to to culture and and and
in world philosophy or development
anthropological development
is to me anyway, I use that
as as a guide. That's like a level.
That's that's a compass.
So, if you see
>> [snorts]
>> South African dysfunction,
right?
And you say, "Well, it it's you know, it
it's induced by the colonial effects of
the Dutch down there and what they've
done." One person may say, "Well, no,
because our dysfunction predates the
arrival of the Dutch." But this is the
important
This is This is the important point of
history that I just brought up just a
moment ago.
The uh what's our contribution to
the African episteme?
Ubuntu, right? So, we have history, we
have lake not legacy, but we have
literature that demonstrates
before pre you know, pre-colonial
division,
there was this epistemological view
that we are defined in and of and by
one another.
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