Tyler Perry For Colored Girls SPOILERS Review

Hey, what's going on everyone? Welcome back. It is B Avery with Miss Kimberly Curran downstairs. As you see, we are discussing Color Girls. Yes. That came out in 2010. Rated R. Ty. Uh, I'm gonna call you Tyra. I'm sorry. Kim, did you know this is the first rated R Tyler Perry movie? >> No, I didn't realize that. And you can call me Tyra any day. She's awesome. >> She is awesome. She is awesome. >> Shout out to Ty. >> But no, I I didn't realize this was a rated R. Makes sense. >> Yeah. Yeah, it it does make sense. I didn't know that either until we was preparing for it. Um, this comes in at two hours and 13 minutes. Coming of age psychological drama. That's a description for you. And also drama. Guys, we're talking full spoilers over here, okay? If you haven't seen the movie and you don't want to be spoiled, please go check it out and then come back later. Kim, why are we talking about a Tyler Perry movie that came out in 2010 and we're in 2025? Well, you guys, we are going through our top, I believe, 10 um either most interesting to us or favorite or uh most conversational Tyler Perry films as we prepare um for his new film coming out on Amazon Prime. >> Well, this movie right here came out a couple of months ago on Netflix. I'm pretty sure you've heard of it by the name of Straw with Taraji P. Henson. And Taraji is so great. I loved her and I can do bad all by myself and pretty much everything that she was in except for one movie. I I in this movie straw I didn't like it. Kim didn't like it. I thought it was horrible. Some people liked it. But we said let's just talk about the positives Tyler Perry movies. So that's what we're doing right now. Kimberly I I I can say with confidence that out of all of Tyler P Tyler Perry's movies, the ones that I've seen at least that this was the best acted. It was the best performed. I in my opinion some Oscar worthy performances or at least you know nominated you know or at the very least at the time this came out in 2010 uh some of the best acting of the year uh for that year. I don't remember what came out in 2010. However, Kimberly that does not mean that this was my favorite film >> of praise because it was not. I'm not saying that it was bad. This was not a bad movie. This was a great movie and I respect this movie wholeheartedly. I just want to make sure that that is clear. Of course, this is written and directed by Tyler Perry, but it's also not written and directed by Tyler Perry. It is written by this lovely sister right here. Uh, she's no longer with >> Okay, Shane. >> Yes, I wanted to get the pronunciation right into Saki Shang. Um, >> well, I definitely said it wrong. >> It's okay. It's okay. I I wouldn't have got it to >> I'm glad I'm glad you put that up. Into Zaki Shang. Okay. >> Sh. I'm even >> into Zaki Shange. >> I don't know if you could hear that or not, but you know, there you go. I I didn't want to butcher it. And um she she wrote this alongside with Tyler Perry. Um this is based on an original play all the way from 1975, I believe. And I I like stage plays. You like stage plays, too? Correct. know >> I think I would have liked this material more >> if I saw it on a stage play originally. >> Now again, I'm not saying that this was bad. It just it wasn't my cup of tea. Um how I'm I've been talking a lot. Where are you at on For Color Girls that came out? >> No, it's okay. Um and for the record, I have a sinner's costume party tonight. >> Oh, [laughter] okay. I love it. I got a sinner's party. So, anyone that's think I lost my damn mind, I have not. I just have to go to a party right after this. [laughter] >> You going You gonna kill them with that right there >> in LA. It's going to be really fun. Um, but I don't want to I don't want to get the comments going, "Girl, has you lost your mind?" No, I'm fine. >> No, everything. >> Yeah. Um, but um, you know, this film, Brandon, I got mad at you because I told you, remember I told you there's a list of films that I have that are are called my only see once films. Precious is on it. Um, Schindler's List is on it. And they're films that are wonderful. >> They're good. They're not bad. They're just so full of trauma that my soul can only take one look. >> And man, I'm so mad at you for making me watch this again. [laughter] Um, >> I'm sorry. >> No, it's okay. It's okay. Um, I you here's the thing. This movie has so much trauma in it. And I'm going to confess something right now to you guys. Y'all know I'm a Christian woman. I gave the screen the finger several times during [laughter] this movie. I was like, >> you can just have this like, yeah, >> just was so full of trauma. Um, and I I know um the original writer. >> Uh, I don't want to Miss Shange, I'll call her because I don't want to get her first name wrong. Um, I was doing some research on the original play and she's the first black playwright to have a first black female playwright to get a Tony nomination >> really. >> Um, yeah. No one had ever done it before her. So, um, this this was a actually work of art that was a collection of 20 poems >> that she had put on stage. And I believe in the original stage play there are no men >> really. Okay. in the play. And >> yeah, and something that I found interesting, Brandon, was she took issue with this film. >> Uh she had originally decided to work with Tyler Perry and to, you know, he went to her, you know, because she was living at the time and um was like, "Hey, I'm going to do I'm going to adapt it into a film. Can I get your blessing?" You know, and she was like, "Okay, cool, cool, but here's some rules I have. You know, media can't be in this film." I think she didn't quite understand the direction he was going, >> but um her her review of the film was that he cheapened her work >> really. >> Um and I thought that was very interesting. And um yeah, I was watching an interview with Tyler Perry saying, you know, knowing what her audience originally, what it meant to them for this film, and having done it the way he did, the way he interpreted her work, um he probably would not make the film again. >> Okay. >> Which I thought that was interesting. Um >> this this was so heavy. Um I love Brandon how poetic it is. I actually really I love you know I love stage plays and I love um I say love a lot but my heart beats deeply for poetry. I'll say that um there were moments in this film where they went from dialogue to kind of um poetry going kind of into these poetic monologues and and I loved that. I loved certain scenes I know we'll get into, but when when Whoopi Goldberg and Tessa Thompson were or no, Thandy Newton were both speaking at the same time and one person speaking their truth and then in the background you hear Whoopi. I think that's so beautiful. That's something I I love it when it's in musicals where two different people are singing two different songs that somehow meld together and I appreciated it so much. Um, I gotta say the positives, Brandon, as we get into this is that the cast was phenomenal and um I there should have been Oscar nominations 100%. The film did not do well at the box office, but um I don't think box office should rule who gets an award for >> Of course. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's insane. That's insane. Okay. Well, um, of course I saw this when it originally came out, and this is the second time I saw it. >> Mhm. >> I honestly didn't remember anything except for the unfortunate tragic rape scene and uh the kids being thrown out the window. Um, other than that, I I remember Felicia Rashad was in this, but most of the cast I forgot. I forgot >> I forgot Carrie Washington was in here. >> I forgot Carrie was in this. I forgot everybody was in this except for Felicia Rashad and maybe one or two other characters. So, I was just like >> and Whoopi. >> I totally forgot. Did you forget about Whoopi? Because I did. >> Yeah. I I was like, you know, this uh is stacked. This is crazy. Okay. You know, and it's starting out heavy and it's it's very very poetic. And one thing, Kimberly, you was talking about the positives. Uh but I'm I'm about to go to a negative, too. Um, I tend to not like opening credits in a film unless telling a story. >> Yeah. >> Um, this has nothing to do with this movie, but I think some of the best opening credits that I've ever seen in my entire life was X-Men Origins Wolverine. The movie itself was garbage trash. But just the opening scene of going showing him in World War I, World War II, the Civil War and all that, dope as hell. Um, Scott Pilgrim Versus the World is one of my favorite movies of all time. That's definitely not for everybody, but for my particular taste, it's it's a masterpiece. >> Only reason I don't give that movie a perfect 10 is because of the opening credits. It ruins it. They had a great opening scene and then it just cuts to a screen where they're just flashing colors for five to 10 minutes showing names. It was very, very jarring. I say all that to say, I love the opening credits um in this movie. Um, I thought it was fantastic. Um, I said it set the tone for ex you knew exactly what you was going to uh get into. Um, I love the colors of the rainbows and how that ties into the title of the film and also um the original title of the film for color girls who have considered suicide or andor when the rainbow is enough. And I thought that caption at the very end of the movie uh was very touching too. But I was watching this movie, of course, and I think I was about maybe 30 or 45 minutes in. Remember, I didn't remember anything. I was like, "This is so poetic." Okay. Yeah. We got the opening poem, but it's just like all these poems everywhere. And in the middle of the movie, I just put I said, "I have to look this up to, you know, see what the synopsis is." is and just like you said it it reads each of these women portray uh one of the characters represented in the collection of 20 poems revealing different issues that impact women in general and women of color in particular. Now, I will always applaud anyone, especially Tyler Perry, for shining light on issues um ac in in the whole spectrum that's just not covered and you know um mainstream or just kind of >> you know just it's a dim light. It's it's not not a bright light. And if there are women out there that have gone through all of these tragic things and they get to be represented on screen, I applaud that 100%. Okay. So, and that and I just want to clarify because at the very beginning of this I said that this is not for me and that's fine. Every movie and TV show does not have to be designed and tailored for Brandon Keith Avery. That's nuts, you know. So, I I just want to express that if there are women out there and men that, you know, can resonate with everybody in this this movie and or the play, hey, that that's what's up. I think it's a success as far um as that's concerned. Um, but Kimberly, oh, and also I just wanted to add, you said that there was no men in the original play. In the I think in the original play there was no names either. Like all the characters were described as colors, like their costumes, like lady in red, lady in purple, lady in blue, etc. Um, so that's interesting. But um I would have liked this movie more if a lot of the poetry was taken out and the poetry could have just been left in the play because the delivery for me on a lot of the poems when they're going from monologue into a poem are considered the same. It it didn't work for me. >> The only two that I really did appreciate was when Sandy Newton's character was talking to her sister >> after she got out the hospital. Um, that was beautiful. That delivery from sister to sister felt very, very genuine. It felt real. It didn't feel fake. It didn't feel forced or rehearsed or anything like that. I felt that was having a real conversation. I thought it was beautiful. Also, the scene with Loretta Divine as she was monologuing gave her poem, she was delivering that to the women at the clinic. So, again, for me, >> oh, that scene was beautiful. Yeah, it it felt more direct, you know, it it felt like she was expressing, you know, something that she went through. And little girls, I don't I done been there. You know, y'all ain't gone through nothing and I ain't gone through. I remember my daddy told me that once like, you Anyway, um, [laughter] >> you ain't gone through nothing, boy. >> I thought it was I thought it was wonderful and I was like, the delivery is is just on point. Um, but the first part of the film where I uh almost clocked out and uh the start I mean it at one point in time I was watching this I was like okay um I'm enjoying the beginning well I enjoyed the very beginning of the movie like the first third well I enjoyed the first and last act. >> Okay, >> the second act is kind of where I was losing interest because I I hate to see women raped in movies and television. It it I mean it makes me uncomfortable. I can only imagine it makes a woman a hundred more times uncomfortable. And if you've ever been through that and affinity more times uncomfortable. Uh it >> doesn't seem necessary to me. Like >> Yeah. It's it's Yeah. Yeah. >> I think I think in the 90s we had a lot of movies that that showed that. Um in the 90s I felt like there was always a movie like here we go again and here we go again. But I just >> it it was it was it was horrible. But when she was recovering in um the hospital and the detective was talking to her, asking those probing questions where it was so insensitive. I understand he has to do that, but like are you sure that you know you didn't suggest and flirt with him? I was just like this is crazy, you know. Um, when she started talking and monologuing and giving her dialogue right there, I was just like, the acting was great, but it it just didn't work for me. That scene, I I was just like this just kind of I hate to say this, but I got to be honest, it just kind of felt phony baloney. I I can't see a woman, and I can't say this because I'm not a woman. I've never been through this, but it just didn't seem real to me that she was would express so much in that setting to a stranger that she doesn't know. Every I agree with every word that she said >> as far as, you know, you think that, you know, you're told or you think that somebody that's going to come rape you is a stranger. You know, that not somebody that you're you're close to and that you kiss good night with a closed mouth and have a nice dinner with and have one dance and just a sip of wine. I believed it all. Well, I mean, I I hope I'm articulating my my point, right? Is I I agree with everything she said. That is true. That happens. That's reality. But just in that setting, it just it just didn't feel real. I wish it was just a regular movie or dialogue than a poetry scene or um a poetry song. Um and and so I don't know, it kind of just clocked me out amongst other portions of the film as far as that's concerned. Um, you agree, you disagree. Am I crazy? Am I Am I saying? >> No. No. I get it. Um, I think I think something that makes like when you say like when we use the term dramatic sometimes I think about it. This film made me think about the definition of dramatic and how we use it in society and how we use it in black society um in in in our corners of life. And I think something that Tyler Perry has always been on the tight wire of is being true too dramatic. In my family, we call it u like we'll see someone acting that's doing the most and it's like the writing is there. The writing is there. You don't have to add extra drama. We call it going to like if someone's like overacting well like oh man they went to the good good time school of acting like just so damn dramatic and I feel like Tyler Perry's always walked the tight rope that made me feel like dude trust your writing don't push them to be overly dramatic you don't need to do that for color girls it's already such a deep and moving piece of art that it's gone down in like po like history of of just poetry and and and Broadway and the the body of work itself. These 20 poems themselves have made such an indelible mark on history. You don't need to add in that way. It's already a beautiful piece of work. You don't need to show a guy butt naked raping a woman on the floor. And by the way, it was such a long rape scene. Yeah, >> it was so long. >> Three minutes. >> You don't need that. I mean, there's there's scenes where you see someone rip, you know, the skirt off or the underwear falls on the ground and then you hear something break. There's enough connotation where you don't need to show it. >> And I think where Tyler Perry went wrong in so much of this is you reverted back to the good time school acting. You didn't need to be so much. And that's not to say I know people have made criticisms of like, you know, some people say that we're too much and we're not. And I get that, but sometimes in in in specific situations in in life, in film, in art, you have to trust what's already there. And I feel like in this film, he didn't trust the work that was already there. She already got a Tony nomination. You're not going to do anything. you can elevate the material, but when the writer says you cheapen it, it watching this, I see why she said that is that you didn't need to go there so much. But as I like um uh Brandon on our last podcast, we were talking about directors that um and what directing is and how some people don't realize like directing is really being like a coach over your actors in real time. Letting them cook, saying, "Okay, wait. They're doing something. Don't stop rolling." And sometimes directors in the corner whispering things to their actor. Go D. How does that make you feel? Remember when we talked about this? Let that go. a director is such a psychological coaching and stewarding of your actor. And I think he did a good job in in that, but there were some things I imagine on the other side of the camera that Tyler Perry was going, "Give me more. Give me more." And I just feel like he didn't need to do that here. >> I I I I feel you >> because these these actresses, man, you can give them a bland sentence and they can turn it into >> Yeah. a memory that you have and a feeling that you felt in a traumatic time and you are right there with them feeling it all over again. Like Fandy Newton, like she's one of those actresses like just let her cook. Just let her do her thing. Felicia Rashad, leave her alone. Leave her. She really doesn't. She's such a pro and she's so theatrical herself. >> Just let her be. She's got this. my um my I thought I had her pulled up here. Yeah, Felicia Rashad. Um I love her to death. >> God, >> real quick. Well, no, I I'll come back to that. Well, no, I'll say it now. Uh you brought up the money. It made 37 million worldwide. That's not enough because it had a $21 million budget. So, unfortunately, it didn't make any money. It lost money. And um the fans liked it or 25,000 of them critics um really didn't care for it. Um, you like Felicia Rashad and um, >> oh, Loretta Divine is another one. Just let her that's those are the actresses where the director, I don't care how great you think you are, >> sit down with them, hear the material, and just listen to what they have to say about the character >> and you take notes. There's some actors where where as a director you're the best thing you could possibly do is sit back and take their notes. >> No. and just run the camera and the lighting like just let them do their thing. >> Frank was uh stressing her out, man. Um did you have a favorite um I got to say this now I'mma forget. Did you know that since we was talking about trauma and how heavy it was? I'm go back to Loretta and everybody else here in a second. Michael Eely had trouble accepting the role. Um he didn't he didn't want to do it at first like bro you're telling me I got to kill my kids? They're going to hate me, you know. um even though he was mentally ill, you know, uh still just messed up. He said he had to get a blessing from his mother to, you know, accept the role, you know. So, I just thought that was uh really um significant there. >> Wow. >> Th you said Thandy was one of your And I'm sorry, you I don't know if you have any commentary there, but um you said that Thandy was one of your favorites. For me, my favorite performances came from, it's nearly a tie between Janet Jackson when she was confronting her husband at the end. >> Whoopy Goldberg um and uh Kimberly Elise uh >> I mean, how you can't get over your ch not only your children dying just say from a car accident or a terminal illness. You saw them get murdered in crime. >> I mean like their bodies are not together when >> I mean she was wip she was cleaning their blood off the side. >> Yeah. And then um >> horrific >> Thompson's character ran over the blood. I mean you can't ever get over that. But I still love the scene between Felicia Rashad and her like baby what is your plan? Are you just going to sit in here and die? you gotta take responsibility. And she put her hand over her mouth. She's like, "Oh." And she was crying. I'm not trying to be funny, but I was like, "Oh my god, this acting is a fire. It is so good." And she says, "But it didn't save my babies." And she said, "Well, go save another woman's babies." I was like, "God damn it. This is crazy. Y'all wrote the hell out of this right here." You know, >> so amazing. >> Tyler Perry's writing was good. I mean, he had a he had to adapt >> the the screenplay, plus, you know, there's there's the body of the bodies of work he was working with were obviously the the original 20 poems that made up the story, but also what she did on the stage play and then adapt that to a film. And he wrote it, he adapted to film. I don't think he did a bad job. I I I really don't. I just think he should have just trusted just the writing in so many points. But that scene was so heavy because I think many times in tragedy, especially when a man causes something, and I got to be careful here, but it's the truth. I mean, it came out of Felicia Rashad's mouth. She's like, "You have to accept some responsibility for this." >> Yeah. >> There's there's some situations where women like, you know, he's crazy. you know, he's off and family members are telling you and but you're like for whatever reason, oh no, we'll get through it or we'll get this. There's there comes a point where you got to pack up and leave. >> Yeah. >> You have to seek help. You have to take up that family member that says you can come and sleep on my floor if you have to. Sometimes you have to die to your pride or your embarrassment or or you got to go to a shelter. Like you got to do you cannot have this guy talking to himself and making stuff up and drinking constantly and then be like I'm I'm going to leave him with my kids and my neighbor like >> you know or after you you hit me one time and I got B and you hit my babies. That's the thing right there. You hit my kids, you hit me, it's about to be a fight. You hit my kids, I'm about to catch a case. like there is no argument there and and it's hard. We don't want to we we've we've made the the idea of victim shaming sometimes something into something it's not. There's a difference between victim shaming and trying to speak wisdom to someone and and help them have the courage to do what's necessary. And I think that's the tough thing about accepting that scene between her and Felicia Rashad is you kind of want to say what do you mean? Like, you know, she tried to fight when they were out the window, but it's like, yeah, but but what had to happen for us to get to this point? >> Yeah. And it it came out of nowhere. I mean, she's just running home to get some reports. She gets flipped into the wall a few times, hit her see her children. Um, being >> I thought that happened at the end of the film. I actually when I saw that scene, Brandon, I I mean, I haven't again, this is my no watch again list. So, I haven't seen this movie since it was in since I was sitting in the theater thinking it would be something that I had no idea. I was in the theater and I walked out pissed. >> Yeah. >> Originally, because I was like, "What the f? I didn't want to see that. I didn't want to see that." But I for some reason in my head I thought that was like the last thing that happened in the movie was him dropping the kids. I forgot that was like damn near the first act. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was It was pretty early. Um I too because I remember I was like damn it Janet is pulling up you know to the u to the crib. I think this is where it happens. I I I get really frustrated. I mean, Felicia's role character, she did I mean, everything that she could, but the fact that so many people were just standing and looking, not doing anything, it >> she called CPS, you know, she >> I mean, you have you I saw a white man looking up on his phone and I everybody I mean just I I don't let the let the kid fall on you, okay? Yes, you gonna be hurt too, but damn, you're gonna save their life. I'm not Superman, but you're just like, "Oh, it's >> at least put your arms out. I don't care if you break both my arms." Like, and it made me think of like, you know, some stuff on the the the Instagram stuff on the Instagram I've seen where like I saw this video and I think it was in uh Ukraine where, you know, the building there's bombs going off, there's buildings burning and there's a kid dangling and the the the people got like a sheet and they just did what they could. And I know you people are thinking, "Oh, what are they going to do with the sheet?" Well, they ended up saving the kid's life. >> And it's like, let's all I don't know, let's all put our arms together like this, you know, like do something other than I mean, but Felicia like her character Gilda um she did try and and I have to give I like Gilda because I gotta say there's a lot of people who see stuff happening with their neighbors and the first thing out of their mouth is it's none of my business. not getting involved. But as we saw with Carrie, segueing into Carrie Washington's character, um, and I want to pull up her character, what was her character's name? Uh, Kelly, her character, she kind of had some guilt because she was dealing with her own infertility issues. and she kind of said, you know, cuz the husband rushed her out, you know, he I mean, he threatened to beat her ass, but but you know, um has she fought and as as a um CPS, you have resources. All you have to do is go out into the hallway and call backup and be like, "Oh, this guy threatened me. Oh, I'm definitely taking the kids. Why did she leave? Why did you let him bully you out?" Fine. He got you out into the hallway, but that's when you call SWAT. That's when you get the kids out, you know? You don't go home and be like, "Man, I tried to save the kids from that abusive man, but he threatened to punch me." >> Anyway, on to my day. >> Yeah, I know some social workers carry or here in Texas. Um, you know, >> that's what I'm that's what I'm talking about. >> Yeah. Um, >> did you have a favorite story? Um, this is going to sound a bit odd, but Fandy Newton's story, I really liked her story because I think sometimes we look at women who are hypersexual and just think they're a um which it's not ladylike behavior, but seeing the other side of I think not a lot of people talk enough about how hypersexualization is a symptom of abuse a lot of times. It's a it's a it's a sad way for someone to feel like they're getting their power back. And that's what she was doing by having those guys over. I mean, one homeboy was like, "Oh, all I got is $80." And she's, you know, and she was upset because she's like, "I'm not a prostitute." And I think in society a lot of times we look at at women especially or men going through but mainly women um just because you know the dichotomy and I could go into all that but um we look at hypersexualization as like you're such a you're such a manho, you're such an f boy, but sometimes it's it's an unhealthy way for victims of of child sex abuse to regain their power. See, I'm going to sleep with you and I'm not going to care. I'm gonna I'm gonna use you. You think you're using me? I'm gonna use you. Oh, baby. You got breakfast? Uh, I got stuff to do. You gotta go. For her, it's not just dismissing him. For her, that makes her feel powerful. That makes her feel in control. That makes her feel in charge. Um, I really love the way Sandy Newton played that character. >> Oh, I just love the way, um, she was just so fiery. Like, she was she was messy and she was fiery. And I feel like sometimes when you have those characters, people overdo it or they do it wrong. I I feel like she played damaged and messy very true to what it often is. >> Um I agree somewhat. Since you say that, how do you feel about the relationship between Gilda and um her character Nyla? >> I thought it was beautiful. >> And Nyla was the younger sister uh Tangi. Oh, okay. Cuz she was checking her the whole movie. So, I didn't know if you agreed with that or not. >> I totally did because what I loved is that she didn't just check check her. She she I mean, she was on her case. Like, I see you. I see the men in the hallway, but what she had inside of her was what she was able to release when they finally she finally got the girl to quiet down and stop talking back and yelling. and she went into her apartment against her will and got her some ice and cared for her but spoke truth to her which I feel like guys in society we need to do more of that caring for someone and speaking truth. When you speak truth without love it just comes off as this is why so many people have problems with Christians is when you try to speak truth without sewing a seed of love first. It just comes off as there you guys go bashing me with the Bible. there you guys go bashing me with your morals. It's like she went in to care for her and then went in to instead of, you know, again giving a taste in people's mouth of like, oh, you're a hypocrite. You're just down on me. She shared her story and was like, I first let me care for you and then let me be vulnerable and open up to you that I am you. I was you. I was the girl with guys coming in and out of my apartment till I, you know, she had the beautiful story of her husband, but she's like, I was you. And this is how you reach people. And I'm talking to all you Christians because I'm a Christian and I know why people don't like us is is you lay the foundation with love and then you open up about your own issues and then you speak truth. You don't just go wagging your finger in someone's face. And that's why I think Gilda and um her relationship was beautiful because they connected. It wasn't just there you go hoe, there you go you know. Um it was really speaking truth. And I I like how feisty um her character was, you know, yelling at her and why don't you get back in your own place and I don't know. I just >> Yeah, I got >> it was it was the right way to check somebody in my opinion. >> I can dig it. Um I I can definitely dig it. I um almost passed out myself. Uh well, actually before I say that, did you know initially what the $300 was for? That it was wasn't for a college application fee. >> This is the great thing about good writing and acting is like you fooled me, but you didn't for a minute. And Tessa Thompson, I don't know about you, but this was the first time I saw her on screen. >> Really? Okay. Okay. >> I hadn't seen her before. I can't remember anything that I'd seen her in before for Color Girls because I remember when further in her career when I started seeing more of her, I would always be like, "That's the girl from for Color Girls." Like that was my initial point of reference for Tessa Thompson. >> Okay. >> I thought I thought her um going over how she lost her virginity in the Buick was very weird um for me at least. Um if you guys liked it, let me know in the comment section. But >> you did. Well, I'm gonna pass to you. But in addition to that, >> I almost passed out when she went to go see Macy Gray. >> Oh god, I forgot Macy was in this. >> Yeah, I I I think I was like, do I need to fast forward this? I'm glad they didn't show anything, you know, like blood or, you know, blood dripping in the water or the liquid or the whatever. Uh, but that made me h I'm just like, I can't watch this. >> I think a lot of people have never seen those tools before. A lot of people don't know what those tools like just seeing the tools alone. >> But going back on, you you said you liked her um her little montage, not montage, but monologue of her losing her virginity in the back of the Buick. You liked it? >> Yeah. The reason I liked it is it was so truthful of what women think something is before reality sets in. It was so truthful of what it of what an 18-year-old girl would think without even thinking of the consequences of did you ask him to get tested? Did you see his test results before you guys got in the back of the Buick? But for her, it's all a dream. So, the reason I loved it is because I'm like, that's so true. You think it's such a fairy tale. you think things are such a fairy tale and the consequences because she was kind of bragging but kind of like I felt like a woman and it's like yeah you feel like a woman for a couple of maybe a couple of minutes and then you're nauseous or you're itching or you're burning or you're you know like like I just liked the truthful portrayal of how a young girl thinks about her first time when it's her choice >> and still even after she cuz remember like it wasn't her boyfriend they weren't in love like you never see this kid but I just like that because sometimes when girls get pregnant or anyone get you get STD or something you're like what were you thinking what were you thinking you didn't use a condom what were you thinking and this was her saying what she was thinking it was this and that and my body and the way he was looking at me and the moonlight and it's Maybe that's what she was thinking. She thought it was so great. >> I I I got you there. Uh I mean you would know more than me cuz you said I think specifically I don't want to misquote you that this is what a a girl at that age 16 18 would think. But I when I was watching this and I was watching that scene I said to myself I cannot wait to ask Kimberly how realistic this scene is and if a woman or girl would express herself this way amongst friends. Um, I'm I'm I guess the answer is yes, >> you know, but for me when I was watching I was just like, you know, this is seems kind of weird, you know. I don't know. Maybe because she was a teenager or something and I'm just like, uh, but um, >> let me tell you, let me tell you, >> target audience for this. Go keep >> Brandon that mentality doesn't leave after your teen years. [laughter] This is how girlfriend I'm telling I'm I'll be 41 this year and I'll tell you I still have brunches with girls that now looking back that guy's a busta. I can't believe I was with him and he did this and he didn't tell me he was married. I have had brunches and girls trips and lunches and dinners and cocktails with friends who are in their 40s like me and they're describing things like this. >> That's that's believable. And then down the line we find out he's this girl or he's this or he's that. But we >> she was she was all they was all dancing together in unison as she was express and then and I'm just like ah it just you know we can move past that. But I I feel you though. I feel you. I feel you. I feel you. >> It's just the mind of a woman Brandon. That's just it never leaves. >> Right. Right on. Right on. Um I said earlier that Whoopi was um Alice. Is it Alice or Alex? She was one of my my favorites as well. Um she was an extremist. El No. Um when she got >> Who that ninja? Who is El No. >> Yeah. Um I don't I don't know. I had the subtitles on too. >> I know Elohim. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I know Jehovah Gyra, but I ain't never heard of brother man. Like [laughter] >> she she had the ash at the end and all the oils that was like you. And >> was that ox blood or was it oil? >> I don't I don't know. It was it was something I don't want on me the way it was. >> I'm like, if it's Hoba oil, her hair is just going to grow. But like, [laughter] but if it's Hawk blood, I don't know what's happening. >> While she came off as crazy, um, I still like the fact that Nyla and and Tangi still had a love for their mother. Um, and you know, at the end it was nice. You know, she said congratulations. Um, I I forgot the gift that she brought her. You know, she kind of left and said, "This is devil music. I got to get out of here. That was supposed to be bring some levity right there. But just uh Nala saying, "Hey, mama." You know, um I I liked it. And the scene between Whoopi and Tangi when she was like, "Wait a minute. You being a hypocrite. You took you took me to the same exact woman when I was divorced." She was like, "But I was with you." I mean, >> I I don't have this. >> It's so unhealthy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So unhealthy. >> I'm not trying to you. I don't even have the words right now. [laughter] I mean, uh I understand nobody's right. Everybody's wrong, you know. Um because to send her there by herself, I mean, just to go to a a little shack like this is just it's not. But to send the the girl by herself, that's just kind of next level right there. >> And they kind of both gave up. Like she she sat down like back against her like whoop Alice sat with her back against the wall and Thandy was over there on the ground and um you know it was I I like the confrontation. >> I did too. And I mean they were slapping each. It was it was confrontation. Her mother slapped her and she slapped her right back. I was like, "Oh my god." But I think that even though they came together at the end, it was almost a little unhealthy for me because I actually didn't like it because I'm like this imshment with your mother is unhealthy. >> Yeah. >> This is the kind of relationship where you need when people talk about boundaries and there's toxic people in my life and all the psycho babble and stuff like honestly those words have place like that's the kind of mother where you see her once a year and then you got to go. Can I spend the night? No. I love you. I'm so glad you got to come over and have some greens and um Seven Up bread and I love that, but you got to go. >> Like that's a once a year visit. That's the her living in the building with them. >> That's that was such an unhealthy motheraughter relationship because did she apologize at all for giving her up to the the father? Like I think she didn't. >> I don't I don't remember. I don't remember. That's um I don't know if y'all remember, let us know in the chat in the uh comment section. We would really appreciate that. Joe Janet Jackson in the comment that I was going to make before we hit recorders, you know, I was like, you you giving off some Janet Jackson vibes >> um over here with and that's a compliment, but >> Oh, I wasn't thinking [laughter] >> you you um her character Joe in this before it was revealed that she contracted HIV from her husband, did you feel sorry for her at all? The reason why I ask is because she was rude to, you know, her assistants, uh, Loretta Devine's character who came through trying to, um, you know, I mean, her presentation wasn't the best. You know, Wanita Sims, not Simmons, but Sims, she was rude to Wanita Sims, rude to both her assistants, very dismissive. Um, also she was on her second marriage and when she was like, "My first husband, this happened, this happened." And just because of her attitude the whole time, I was like, I can see why y'all divorced if you acting like this all the time. You just you just ugly person. >> Did you feel sorry for her at all? Uh before that and all her struggles. >> I felt sorry for her in the sense of wow, what emptiness is in your life that you have to treat people like this? You can be busy. You can be a boss babe. Like you can be a CEO without treating people poorly. you can be, you know, someone that is walks in the um the upper echelon without um talking to people like that. You you can be a lot of things um when you have power and choosing to be like that as a choice. And it made me feel I felt sorry for her in the sense of damn what who hurt you? Who pissed in your Cheerios? Like who girl, what's your story? Like this girl got raped. This girl got this. like what does someone just use you as a punching bag? I that's in the sense I felt sorry for her. >> Um >> because it's really it's at a point once you get past the anger it really is sad like people like that may think that they seem tough and don't I well that's just how I talk because I'm a boss At the end of the day, it's pretty sad that you can't carry a normal compassionate disposition simply because what >> what um what do you think should happen to Carl? That's Omari Hardwick's character. Uh he's in denial. I I'm I'm not I don't have any relationships, no attachments. I'm not getting bent over. I'm the one doing the bending. I just like to have sex with men. >> She's supposed to be okay with this. That's not That's not good, you know. >> You know, it made me um it made me think about I don't know if you watched Oprah when she was on, [laughter] but um I feel like we all kind of did, right? Um I remember Oprah in the 90s having or or early 2000s maybe having a whole episode on men on the down low. And you remember how this was a thing? Um, this was a thing in the early like 2000s like of men on the down low kind of before um I feel like that community really developed the LGBT community like really developed um into what it is. There was a lot of people we're kind of coming out of the 90s where there's many the most you ever heard about homosexuality was through hate crimes or those people in San Francisco or you know it wasn't um as accepted and understood and and you know as it is now. And so I remember that era of men on the down low and how that was a whole talk that was a thing like that was a whole topic of Oprah. I I think there was someone on Oprah talking about I'm not gay. Like I love my wife, I just like sex with me. And so that was a whole thing before I think a movement of of people choosing to like saying be accepting and being more vocal. Um especially in the black community, remember we called it being on the down low. So um that just took me back to that time. I thought that was interesting. But I think it's incredibly um whatever your journey is, you don't have the right to put someone's life in danger. I don't care what your journey is. >> Right. Right. >> And I I know everyone's got a story. Um but you just don't have the right to place other people in danger simply because you're going through your own journey. That's wrong. >> It's dangerous. And um he could have killed her. >> He could have. He could have. >> It's not okay. I'm I'm glad that Bill died and got stabbed to death. He was the rapist. Oh. >> Uh I wish I wish that um the sister uh Crystal, not Crystal. Um Yasmin could have got her slap when he was alive. Um you know, that would have made me feel better. Um yeah. Yeah. I just got to be careful because you know he tried to be I mean he appeared he appeared to be the you know the nice guy gentleman. Um and >> and most rapes happen um by someone that women know. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Or men too. Men rape with men happens. Um it is real. But it it I think a lot of people think of like well were you walking down an alleyway or most rapes happen by somebody you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And someone who obviously appeared okay. Um, I didn't like that [clears throat] honestly Brandon because sorry I just have to say like one of the reasons I really am quite upset I kind of held a bone to like Tyler Perry and like any director that thinks they need to show that much is it I think it does more harm than good. >> I think it it triggered me. I had my mind on things that I've gone through much therapy to forget. Um, and I'm like, I'm a I'm a cinema lover. Like, you can be creative. You don't have to show that. You don't have to take the viewer into something traumatic just to get your point across. I thought that was selfish. Um, and I just thought it was a selfish thing for Tyler Perry to do to show that much. I thought that was him. I thought I I can I can clearly say that was really selfish of him to do. You want to be an aur, you want to be deep. That to me is like so self- serving. Like you just want to be deep. You just want people to Oh, that was just so Oh, that was so mood. That was so harsh. Yeah. Every you're you're making people suffer. You're making people suffer for what? I didn't need to have to think about stuff that I've gone through therapy to forget so you can seem like an aur. It was selfish. >> Oh, I'm I'm I'm sorry. >> It pissed me off. I'm going to go into another dimension if I >> I was u I was I was throwing a little worse out there, but I had my mic muted, so you didn't hear me. So, I apologize about that. >> Oh, sorry. I didn't >> Oh, no. No. It's not your fault that I muted my mic. Um Frank, I I I really wanted uh Loretta to kick him to the curb initially. She was on my stuff, but he just kept kissing on. I was like, "No, don't give into him." SHE WAS LIKE, "YOU GOT ANY CONDOMS?" But I I like the speech she gave me at the end. Like, "Leave." And he was like, "I guess it's goodbye." You know? Um, you guess it's goodbye. Oh, cry about it. Go cry. Kick rocks. >> This This was heavy. Um, at the, you know, I want your final thoughts or anything that I left out. Um, I liked again the college sendoff party at the end. Yeah. >> Um, but at the very end of the movie, you had all the women on the roof. Um, they all had the different colors on. And again, I applaud and respect, you know, Tyler shining light on real life stories that black women, colored girls go through. That's wonderful. Um, I just think I would have appreciated the delivery more um, if you're trying to get your point across in in a play form than, you know, a color girl. So, I'm just saying if hey Brandon, you only have one opportunity to hear or see or witness partake in the story or for color girls, do you want to see it in a portrayed in a film or a play? I would always pick a play, you know. I just think that would, you know, and if you liked it more in the film, hey, that's that's fine. That's that's that's great. And again, I acknowledge I am not the target audience for this film, and that's perfectly fine. It I wasn't intended to be. Uh, but I still still a great movie. Um, I still respect the movie. Performances again across the board is is stellar. Production is great. Again, um, just not my cup of tea. And I, one more thing, I got it's like the poetry didn't work for me so much to where when it was ending, I had my Kroger groceries delivered. I got up and was bringing in my groceries, you know, um, as that scene was going. It it just it I just it I clocked out cuz it just you know the delivery just didn't seem um that genuine or I I would have liked to see it in a play. I feel like I'm rambling here but anything I left out ma'am any stories, characters? Uh there it's it's performances like this that make me just I just am so disappointed it didn't get nomin Felicia Rashad should have been nominated. This should have got best ensemble cast. Um again it's unfortunate that sometimes people can't separate performances from box office or even critic reviews of the whole movie because you can appreciate individual performances and not like the whole movie, right? which I feel like is what happened here. Like you cannot like many things about the film, but their talent as actors was undeniable and they deserve the best ensemble cast for sure. Even a Golden Globe would have been um totally appropriate for this. A Golden Globe definitely. Um I'm really disappointed that so many critics did not recognize the talent here. >> Um >> that's so damaging. I I really truly feel like um something this film leaves me with is not every great stage play, not every great work of art needs to be adapted. I think there needs to be more care taken into adapting things for film than have been. And not even so simply for the the the thing of like that we fall into where people are like Twilight. Well, that didn't happen. the voltory that didn't happen in the book. Like it's more than that. It's it's more like this when when you have like a perfect work of art that is so near perfect that when I mean from from going from a poem to the stage I mean luckily it was the original author that took it to the stage but that was risky because sometimes taking a poem and putting it on stage that's risky because the the medium in which you take in the art is so meaningful. to the original desired impact if that makes sense. I don't want to it's it's hard for me to say it. Um but certain like there's certain like for example Good Night Moon. I don't know if you've ever read Good Night Moon. It's a children's book, but I do not need a a two-hour Good Night Moon movie. The the the story that my mom would read me at night is timeless and sticks with me. And I've always wanted to, you know, read that to my nephew. Like the first time I read Good Night Moon to my nephews, I was so excited because it meant so much to me growing up. I don't need Disney to adapt it into a film. Um there's certain things that as a director, I don't care how ambitious you are, it's the respect for what the art originally was. And I feel like this was a bit self-indulging for Tyler Perry. I want to say I know that this is his medium is um whack. This kind of called to him for a lot of things that he gets criticized for because this is the ultimate black female trauma porn for color girls is the ultimate. I got everything you want. I got kids dropping out of buildings. I got rape. I got >> abortion. I got all you need. Like if you're a dealer like dealing black female trauma porn, like you're selling this to Tyler Perry. And um I I just I feel like he should have left it. Um, you know, just like Color Purple, adapting the Broadway, you know, the Broadway to the film was silly. >> That's a whole another conversation. But I I think some things need to be need to stay being appreciated in the medium it was originally given. And this this didn't need to be adapted into a film. Uh, it didn't need to add men into it. it didn't need to stretch and and show just so much. Um, so I I I have some personal things that I don't like about this film, but I can separate that from appreciating the performances, and that's what I want people to get from my criticism of the film is undeniably ever every performance was phenomenal and should have got nominated. However, the film as a whole, I didn't think was necessary to be adapted. >> All right. Well, I'm going ask you just one more quick question. Just give me a short answer. If you only had two choices, choice number one is thumbs up for the color girls. Choice number two is thumbs down. My choice is thumbs up. What is yours, Kimberly? What is yours? >> Over overall as a film. >> Overall film. >> Thumbs down. >> Oh, thumbs down. I had to make her big. Okay. I ain't mad at you. I mean, that's that's your opinion. >> Thumbs down, guys. I And again, don't come at me and be like, "But Felicia Rashad's acting was so good." Like I said, I'm separating the performances from my feelings as a whole. >> All right. Well, guys, uh there you go. Uh thumbs up for me, thumbs down for Kimberly. Where are you? >> I'm gonna go do the Irish jig at my uh >> at my sinner's party. [laughter] >> Lots of pictures. If you don't, I will be sad. I will be sad. Um, it was something else I was going to say, uh, but I forgot. Oh, yeah. Kimberly, this is number nine for us. We have done nine of these. My goodness gracious, Tyler Perry. Um, thank you for get, you know, keeping us entertained. U, we really do appreciate it. Um, there may be some more documentaries or other stuff that we may cover if you have any. >> We got one more, right? We got, we got a >> Which one is that? >> Are we doing? Yes. I didn't want to bother you about it. So, >> no, it's not a bother. We got I feel like I feel like Brandon, we can't round out our Tyler Perry marathon with nine. Okay, we got to make it even. >> I got you. Cool. I won't say no more. I was just like I I didn't want to. >> No, I got you, man. I got you. >> Stop talking. >> Yeah, we got So, we got Ruth and Boaz. Also, uh have you checked out the trailer for Find and Joy yet? It came out like that. >> I did. I did. And my first thought was, I love that Tyler Perry's getting into the Hallmark game. >> And when I say Hallmark, um, I'm talking about how we all know the holiday films and how famous they are for being totally predictable, but they warm our hearts, right? Um, and Netflix has come up with their own version of the Hallmark film. It's a genre. And I think it it made me say, "Oh, Tyler Perry's getting into the Hallmark game." Yeah. >> And so that's my first thought. And I didn't mean that in a bad way. So, we're of course going to review that, right? Because that's what we're leading this all up to. So, >> yes. Um, give me one second. I'm trying to Let's see here. Uh, give me one second. I'm trying to on Just give me Okay. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, look, I I I somebody gonna leave a comment like, "Brendon, the review was great. you had to make this comment at the end and ruin the whole thing. You sound like a bigot. You sound uh my vocabulary is shot right now. I can't think of the word. What is the word where you don't um uh you don't like immigrants and you you know uh coming into migrating into your country? Um I got what is the term >> a bigot? >> No, it's a um gosh, hold on. Term for >> the wall. Is that what you're talking [laughter] about? A wall builder? I don't know. >> I might have to edit this out because I sound like a a crazy person right now. >> Now you got to tell me what you're talking [laughter] >> xenophobic. I was >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> Not trying to sound xenophobic, but when I was watching this and we was looking at the cast, I was like, man, these are a lot of This is a ton of uh black men and women American actors. I like this, you know, why can't we get more of this? I want more roles for black Americans. And um I will say that Tyler Perry, I do applaud him because, you know, he does give our people jobs. Um and I do appreciate that. >> Got to appreciate him for that for sure. >> You know, me watching this, it was a bit humbling. Uh because that is something I complain about, but here is Tyler Perry doing exactly what I want him to do as far as that's concerned. And one more thing before we go, I do appreciate that there was at least one decent male in this movie that wasn't uh jumping back and forth to women, wasn't like Frank or giving HIV or raping women or throwing babies out of the window. And that's Mr. Hill Harper. >> Harper, >> shout out to you, brother. You know, you was the only shining light in this film that loved his wife unconditionally no matter what. you know, uh cuz all the four or five other brothers, you know, and coming in uh Tangi's house, nobody all the men sucked. >> Brandon, I have had a crush on Hell Harper for the longest time. >> Hey, she's single, my guy. I think, you know, >> you know, I gotta I gotta and I know this is I love that you're bringing this up. His character was great. And I think if he's if Tyler Perry was going to bring men into this film, he did need to make sure it wasn't a black man bashing film. Without Hill Harper's character, one, he's married. He's not stringing this girl along, shacking up with her. They're married. He cares about her. He's listen He listened so intently when she was telling him her story. >> He cared. He spoke truth to her. Um I think had that character not been there, black men would have had a huge problem with this film >> because every other black man in this film was a problem. And so it was important to show there are strong He was a cop. There are strong, brave, courageous, sensitive, loving black men and that was so important. But shout out to Hill Harper. He actually adopted a child as a single black man. >> I did not know that. >> I think more of that needs to happen in our community. But yeah, he adopted a child as a single black man. And I think that's just phenomenal. And I just Oh, I have a crush on him. [laughter] >> Right on. Right on. Also, Janet Jackson was fine as hell. She was, her acting was on point. Remember I said when we talked about why I get married and why I get married too that this generation like this this Jenz like this new generation not a lot of kids know that Janet Jackson has acted so much and I would like to see her act again because I believed everything that her character was expressing. I and that short hair girl Janet Miss Jackson if you what nasty. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. If you're watching this on uh yeah, y'all watch this on um subscribe to Kim's channel. I can't talk. Link is in the description box below. And so yeah, if you're watching this on my channel, subscribe to her channel. If you're watching this on her channel, subscribe to my channel. Um I would really really appreciate it. By the time you see this video, um all this stuff would have came out a long long time ago, but I have a review up on my channel right now for The Perfect Neighbor, another documentary on Netflix. Just check out all my other Tyler Perry videos as well. But ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we want to thank you so much for tuning in. And before you go, don't forget that I'm Avery as Kimberly, and that's just our opinion. Peace out and we'll see you next