Train the Trainer A Practical Guide for Demonstrating Ray Ban Meta Glasses to Individuals Who Are B
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This comprehensive training program, facilitated by Tech Soup in partnership with the Blinded Veterans Association and Meta, focuses on equipping blind or severely vision-impaired veterans with Ray-Ban Meta AI glasses as a tool for gaining visual context rather than replacing essential mobility aids like white canes or guide dogs. The core of the instruction emphasizes respecting personal autonomy and consent, ensuring trainers always ask permission before touching a veteran or adjusting their device. A tactile-first approach is adopted where verbal descriptions precede guided touch, allowing users to explore the hardware at their own pace while building muscle memory through consistent terminology and specific orientation techniques like using the nose as a viewfinder.
Participants are taught the precise mechanics of the device, including locating the power switch inside the left arm, identifying camera and capture buttons on the top right, and utilizing the touch panel on the right arm for media control, with special notes that seniors may require quicker swipes for effective input. Successful setup requires compatible smartphones, as some government devices block the necessary Meta AI app, and trainers must guide users through pairing processes by keeping devices in boxes to prevent cross-connecting while verifying serial numbers. Once operational, veterans learn to leverage features such as reading text, describing surroundings, connecting to visual interpretation services like Be My Eyes, and optimizing bone-conduction audio by cupping hands over the arms, all while understanding privacy indicators and troubleshooting steps like rebooting the device by folding the right temple arm.
Ethical distribution and safety guidelines are strictly enforced, noting that organizations should request only as many devices as they can comfortably distribute to avoid battery drain for power users, with leftovers better suited for existing recipients rather than wide dispersal. Eligibility is verified through DD214 forms and visual confirmation of impairment, acknowledging that TBI-related conditions qualify under BRS guidelines, while trainers are reminded they cannot verify if a veteran has received multiple pairs elsewhere, relying instead on trust and local partnerships to prevent double-dipping. Safety warnings are paramount, as the AI struggles with rapidly changing environments and precise distance estimation, meaning users must never rely solely on the glasses for real-time safety decisions like crossing streets, and trainers should turn off their own devices during demonstrations to avoid distracting veterans in noisy expo halls.
The session concludes by highlighting that emotional validation is crucial when veterans encounter frustration with new technology, directing them to resources like Tech Soup help desks and BVA.org for ongoing support. Trainers are encouraged to optimize the experience by enabling "Detailed Responses" in accessibility settings for more descriptive AI output and exploring features like conversation summarization, while being aware of the technology's limits regarding dynamic obstacles. To ensure long-term success, partners coordinate with local agencies to reach rural veterans outside the VA network, retain internal records per state requirements, share aggregate non-personal data with Meta for future outreach, and utilize private spaces for training instead of overwhelming public venues, ultimately providing a robust framework for empowering veterans through responsible technology integration.
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Hello friends, welcome on in. And I call
you friend because guess what? I also
serve in the military. And so I would
love if you will put the branch of
service that you are in or that you or
maybe a family member served it served
as a part of. So let us know in the
chat. This also lets me know that the
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appreciate if you would do that for me.
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call your names out too as you're coming
in. Let's see. Everything is running
slow. So if your technology is running
slow, it's okay if it's gonna come
through slow. But I see we have a lot of
team members here. Here we go. They're
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Thank you so much for your service,
everybody. Thank you so much. I'm gonna
turn this over to my colleague Connor.
He's going to take us further. Chaplain.
We love you. We love you. We love you.
Connor, over to you because I'm getting
excited for all my military folks. Have
a great webinar, everybody.
>> Thank you, Artha. Hi, everyone and
welcome. Thank you so much for joining
us today. I'm Connor Mhern from Tech
Soup and I'm looking forward to this
session. We've got a really useful
hands-on webinar lined up entitled Train
the Trainer, a practical guide for
demonstrating Rayban Meta AI glasses to
individuals who are blind. Many of you
who have already applied perhaps for
this program. Many of you have already
perhaps received a shipment of Rayban
Meta AI glasses and are planning to
distribute those to blinded veterans in
your community. And so today, our
presenters, Leah and Dominique from the
Blinded Veterans Association will walk
us through how to actually use these
smart glasses and more importantly, how
to demonstrate their accessibility
features to veterans who are blind or
severely vision impaired. We also have
our friends from Meta on with us to help
answer questions towards the end of our
presentation. You'll be learning skills
that you can bring straight back to the
veterans you support. Reminder too that
you will also need to distribute support
and warranty information to recipients.
You'll have that receive that
information or will receive that
information uh ahead of your shipment of
devices. If you have any questions about
this donation program, please review the
materials on our website. That's at
page.teexup.org/metonation
oneword. I'll pop these links in chat in
just a moment. And if you still have
questions having reviewed that page,
please always feel free to follow up via
email at metarayban
u sorry metaray-ban
techup.org. Again, I'll pop these links
and email address into the chat in just
a moment. And with that, I'll hand it
over to our presenters from the Blinded
Veterans Association. Take it away, Leah
and Dominique.
>> Fantastic. So, I wanted to take a second
to introduce you to the Blinded Veterans
Association. Why Miss Artha pulls our
slides up on the the screen. Uh BVA was
founded back in 1945 by a group of
blinded veterans who came back from
World War II with the loss of their
sight and wanted to figure out a way
that they could be able to acclimate
back to society. And that is where the
BBA started. We are blinded veterans
helping blinded veterans. We became
nationally um congressionally chartered
in 1954 and we are still going strong
now. 81 years later. Uh my name is Leo
Row. I'm the national executive
director. And Miss Dominique, if you'd
like to introduce yourself.
Hi everybody. It is so great to be here
with you today. My name is Dominique
Lawless and I am the national program
director for the Blinded Veterans
Association. I am also blind and have
worked in the field of blindness
rehabilitation for the last 15 years.
And so I get to bring both my lived and
professional experience to this
wonderful organization.
>> Fantastic. Miss Artha, can you get those
slides on the screen? Would be great.
We'll get this thing started.
>> Yes, ma'am. I'm trying to get technology
to cooperate with us, but in the
meantime, we do have friends from Meta
here. They would like to introduce
theirelves.
>> Hello, my name is Beth Murray and I work
on the product impact team here at Meta.
So, we think about how do we make sure
that our technology is useful and
valuable for the world. side. I'm very
lucky to get to work with organizations
like the BVA to think about how um can
we better serve both the veterans and
the blind community um and then take
that information back to our products to
make it even better next time. Um I'll
pass over to my colleague Sophia um to
talk through herself and the role she
plays here at Meta.
>> Yeah, thanks so much. Um, hi everyone.
My name is Sophia and I am a UX
researcher at Meta, which means my job
is to understand our users experience
with our products and bring back
recommendations to our product teams.
Um, some part of the team working on
meta glasses and I'm also visually
impaired myself. Um, so yeah, excited to
be here.
Connor, while we're waiting on slides,
could you tell us a little bit about how
the program's going from Tech Soup's
perspective? Um, anything interesting
that you're seeing about the kinds of
organizations that have come through?
And maybe Leah, you could tell us a
little bit about the kinds of
organizations you're meeting at your
events.
Connor, I I hate to sound too 2019, but
I'm afraid you are on mute.
>> I am on mute. I'm no longer on mute. Uh
we've had a great interest in this
program. Probably about 250 or so
organizations from the tech soup
universe have uh applied for uh some
metarban AI glasses. Um really seeing a
whole plethora of different
organizations as you can imagine and our
orgs on the on the webinar themselves
know organizations work in a lot of
different capacities. And so there are
organizations that very much directly
work with blinded individuals. There are
organizations that work directly with
veteran and and but what we're also
seeing is that there are organizations
that come across that that population as
part of their regular programming. And
so very interesting we seeing
applications for donations from those
two and and happy to get devices out to
them all.
>> You guys are doing so great. I may have
to restart my computer. Welcome to Zoom
everybody
>> and [clears throat] Leah and and maybe
Connor if you aren't able to share maybe
I can take a look and see if that's
possible for me but Leah do you want to
tell uh is that while we all see to see
if we can share the slides Leah how's it
going with the distribution events that
you've been running
>> no absolutely I was pulling the slides
up and I just messaged Jita that I could
be able to share my screen as well uh
the distribution events have actually
been fantastic across the United States
what we've been able to do so far. We've
seen a high interest in our low vision
and blinded veterans just seeking the
support of the device. Uh I do want to
take a moment and just say that this
particular uh device does not enhance
usable vision. It gives visual context
to somebody who is unable to see that
information. And she has it up. Yay.
Fantastic. Um, and the stories that
we're hearing from our veterans are just
enthusiasm across the board. And when I
talk about enthusiasm, I'm talking about
we were sitting with with a gentleman
who was
I want to say he was an army veteran. He
lost his eyesight later in life. He was
an engineer, a professor at a
university, a farmer, a still active
farmer. Um his wife was just absolutely
petrified. He had uh pinnal vision uh
pinpoint vision. So he had a very small
visual field and um she was just
terrified. He's climbing a 24 ft ladder
with a chainsaw, cutting down beehives
and actively working on tractors and
when something happened, he would have
to immediately stop what he was doing,
find his wife, go back into what they
were trying to do. and the possibility
that the glasses could be able to give
that kind of visual input to him to be
able to enhance what um enhance his
independence and in that environment of
working was truly empowering for him.
And what even furthers that out for
those in the blind uh rehabilitation
field that opened the door for him to
not rely as much on his usable vision
and open the door to those true
rehabilitation skills. and he actually
signed up this past week to start O andM
lessons. So for us that's exciting
because the fear of losing your sight is
so detriment to a lot of different
individuals especially later in life.
That's the number one fear of Americans
is losing their eyesight. Um, and so
overcoming that fear and taking that
step forward is where we really are
seeing an impact with the glasses and
that the glasses are kind of opening
that door and seeing, oh, this is what
rehabilitation can do for me. Oh, this
is where I need to learn additional
assisted technology skills. This is
where I need to reach out and work on
orientation mobility or independent
living skills. It's it's opening that
door um for the veterans to really
explore that that they might not been
aware of. Dominique, is there anything
you want to add to that before we kick
it off?
>> You covered it wonderfully. Um the only
other thing I I would add is, you know,
the glasses are such a wonderful tool in
your toolbox. Um and being able to show
and work with our veterans who just
might not know what they don't know yet
about blindness because a lot of them
we're finding aren't connected to the
services that they're entitled to. um or
you know they might be the only blind
person in their community. So getting
able to work with uh Leah and I and Meta
staff on this we're being able to have
those conversations and the meta glasses
are kind of a gateway to um not only the
independence they can have using the
glasses but what else is out there and
it's been a wonderful opportunity.
Fantastic. Nicely said Dominique. So I
wanted to kick off our our PowerPoint
slides. Um, and we really want to
encompass this as empowering our
veterans through assisted technology.
Um, this is not a cure. This is not
replace any foundation skills. This is
all about empowerment and what this is
able to add, like Dominique said for the
tools for the toolbox. And you will hear
us say this many times throughout um,
this presentation because we really want
to hone in that this is a great tool,
but it does not replace your foundation
skills. This guide is to help you with
the language, techniques, tools to build
trust and competence when introducing
Meta AI glasses to veterans to the new
wearable AI software. And Retha, if
you'll go to the next slide for me,
please.
So, understanding this community, some
of you um are work with veterans all the
time. And then there's also a new
population of organizations out there
who do not have the rapport with the
veterans. We want to help you build that
rapport. So many of our veterans are
very new to wearable AI software. Um,
and they often are highly motivated with
missionoriented goals. I know this is
something that we teach in
rehabilitation is what is the goal
you're trying to accomplish and really
honing in on that goal and to be able to
motivate them to move towards that goal.
Um, but I want as you interact with the
veterans to keep in mind to respect
their experience. Um, when you have
these conversations, it is very
important to keep it person first or
identity first language as requested by
the individual. And also always treat
the veteran as an expert in their own
lives. This is just very important to
keep that rapport building especially if
this is an individual who is new to your
organization and new to building trust
in the field of rehabilitation as well
as in the field of meta glasses. Um we
want to be very very clear that um these
glasses are a consumer product. They are
not a medical device or a diagnostic
device. Um, we just want to be very
clear with that upfront. Um, that the
glasses if they require prescriptions,
they can take those to Lens Crafters,
Walmart, anywhere that is a distributor
of the Meta um, AI glasses. They can
have their prescriptions based on the
strength and the weight capacity of the
frames can have them put in or if they
need different tents put in those
lenses, they can have them put in as
well. The devices that are coming are
Gen One meta uh wayfinders and they are
either going to be sunglasses tents or
they're going to be transitional lenses.
And I want to emphasize again, I know
you heard it with the previous slide,
that this does not replace primary
mobility tools such as a white cane or
guide dog. And it is very important to
set this expectation early and clearly
when you're talking with the veteran.
Additionally, before we move into
actually talking about the device, it is
very important to always get permission
before touching the client or the
veteran's hands or adjusting the glasses
on their face. If you are new uh to
blindness or low vision, that can be
very disorienting and it also takes away
the autonomy of the person who is
receiving the training. So, please ask
first before touching them or guiding
their hand. They are usually very very
open to that guidance but please seek
permission first. Artha, will you go to
the next slide please?
>> Well and I think if if I might just
interject here um is it's so important
to do that not just on the blindness
side but on you know not knowing the
veteran's experience. Um I've been blind
all of my life. um I might not react in
a family-friendly way if someone were to
touch me without permission. And so just
having that consent is is so um
important especially, you know, just to
respect the lived experiences of blind
people who may be grabbed and and yanked
on a regular basis. So it's so important
for that.
>> Thank you for that addition, Dominique.
So when we're talking about um empathy
and instruction, there's three core
principles that we really want to be
able to provide. And Artha, there is an
issue with the image on the screen. So
we will make sure that we include this
PowerPoint when we disseminate the
recording as well, just as an FYI. So
first thing is we want to talk about
tactile um first. And what we mean by
tactile first is we're talking about
descriptions through touch when we're
describing the device there.
Um, so always ask for permission before
guiding a client's hand to the device.
Physical contact without consent can
break trust. And we want to let the
veteran explore the hardware at their
own pace. And we want to use verbal
description first, then offering guided
touch only after asking. For example,
when we have pull the meta glasses case
out of the box, you will notice that it
is a hard case that has a flap on the
front that has a light that indicates on
the front. Dominique is holding hers up
right now. Um, as you flip that up, you
will be able to notice that the glasses
slide into the case with the lenses
facing towards you.
Those are the types of language that we
would like to use. In addition, when you
flip the devices to the bottom,
you will see a charging or you can touch
a USBC charging port. So these are all
different touch points that you can be
able to describe and um to the
participant who is receiving the
training. Letting them feel on explore
will allow them to be able to recall
that information once they be able to
move on and they're at home with their
particular device. Um the second thing
is we want to emphasize nose pointing
rule. And what we mean by that is there
is camera lenses on the upper left and
the upper right of the glasses. So, when
we're asking them to focus on something
that they're wanting additional feedback
from, from either their camera or their
video recording, we want to keep in mind
to use their nose as kind of the
viewfinder that if they are looking, for
example, for a gate at an airport and we
they understand that maybe the gates are
on the right side, they would turn their
head and point their nose up so that
they could be able to capture that
information. Um, so keeping in mind that
their nose is kind of like a laser
pointer and that's to be able to help
orient the camera within that space.
And Dominique, do you want to take that
last core principle for absolute
orientation?
Absolutely. Um, so when we talk about
absolute orientation, you know, we want
to give people the space to explore and
build that muscle memory for the device,
but we also want to make sure that we
are using uniform terminology, so we're
consistently referring to the parts at
by the same name instead of by
different. Um, and so what I think about
this, and we'll see this in future
slides, is if I'm going to show someone
the glasses, you know, we're going to
show them that on the right arm there's
a touch panel. um you know that'll
control the volume, that'll control um
answering and declining calls. And then
on the inside there is the power onoff
switch on the inside left arm. And it's
important to give people the opportunity
to explore that because um you may be
working with people who have neuropathy
issues um from something like diabetic
retinopathy or from another condition
where they may not be able to feel it as
easily and they're going to need to be
able to turn the device on and off
without you being there. So giving them
the space to practice that to find a way
that works for them. Um but making sure
that we're using consistent terminology.
Um if you have met blind one blind
person or one visually impaired person,
you have met exactly one blind person or
one visually impaired person. And just
knowing that we all come from different
uh backgrounds and walks of life and
technical abilities. You may have some
folks like me and like Sophia who um you
know we're button pushers. you know,
we're going to figure out how to use the
device and u make it work for us and may
need minimal guidance and there are
going to be some who are a little bit
newer to technology or newer to
assistive technology that could benefit
from more hands-on guidance. So making
sure that you have just the consistency
in your terminology that you're giving
people the space to explore and find
ways that work for them and build that
muscle memory and um and also you know
giving them the opportunity to problem
solve is is monumental.
And to build upon that before we go to
the next slide is very important that
you use descriptive terminology on the
right side, left side, bottom, top. Um,
those are going to be references so they
can be able to orient within the device
that they're trying to explore. Um, it's
just like if I said, "Hey, Dominique, I
want to meet you over there." There's no
context to what over there is. We need
to provide concise direction. It means
nothing. I mean, where over there? Um,
so we need to be very consistent and
provide um specific
>> references when we're talking about
this. Um, Artha, will you go to the next
slide, please?
All right, Miss Dominique, I will let
you take away the physical layout and
setup and the tactile sweep.
>> Excellent. Um, so with this, like I
said, I grabbed the wrong pair of
glasses. Uh, you know, with our meta
glasses, I usually start by having
people explore the case, take the
glasses out of the case, and so they
know that once they they take those
glasses out of the case, the lenses are
going to be facing them and the arms are
going to be facing away from them. So,
if we turn the glasses and feel on the
left arm, on the inside is going to be
that power onoff button. And it feels
like a button, but it's really more of a
switch. And so, you can use your finger
to turn it off or on. Um, if you turn it
towards your nose or switch it towards
your no I got that all wrong. If you
switch it towards your ear, it powers
off. If you switch it towards your nose,
it powers it on. And so, some people
might be able to do it with their
finger. Some people might need a
fingernail to um to be able to feel it
and and power that. Uh we have the
lenses at the front. And then on the top
right corner of the glasses, we have the
camera. And one of the things I like to
remind people is if they're recording,
then that does light up. So that way
others around them can be aware that
they're in a recording situation. On the
top right arm, we have the capture
button. Um and this will allow you to
take pictures or video. Um, and we also
let people know that if you just press
it once, it's going to take a picture.
If you press and hold it for a second or
two, it's going to take a video, but you
can also speak those commands aloud to
Meta. And then we review the uh the
right arm of the glasses, which is um a
touchcreen. So, you can if you swipe
towards your ear, that increases the
volume. If you swipe towards your nose,
that lowers the volume. If you press
once, then that is going to start or
stop your audio. And if you press twice,
doing kind of like a quick that's going
to start or stop a phone call. Um, so
that is just the layout, giving people
the opportunity to really build that
muscle memory of identifying the parts
of the glasses and getting comfortable
with them. Um, and
yeah, it also acts as um, one thing that
I like to tell people as well is the
case also charges the glasses. Uh, but
you will need to charge the case. Um,
and just having a USBC cable or a USBC
battery pack will take care of that.
>> So, I would recommend um just a couple
of things for lessons learned. Um,
particularly when I'm working with our
seniors when they are wanting to turn
their volume up or down. They do long
slow sweeps. That is not going to
register. They need to be quick swipes.
So, that is something just from a
lessons learned. As well as bringing
extra USB C cords to your event is very
handy. Um, having them kind of charged
and ready to go will help expedite the
process as you're training individuals
or having, like Dominique had mentioned,
a battery pack at the table will be able
to help with that process. the ch uh the
boxes that you receive will usually have
about 30 to 40% already on the device,
but some of them might be dead because
of the longevity that they might have
been in the warehouse. So, just planning
ahead could help ease some of that
anxiety at events. Additionally, making
sure that you have your Wi-Fi and your
Wi-Fi passwords readily available is
very beneficial as well because that
will be able to help not only the
veteran as they're trying to set up
their device, but they'll be able to
help the trainer during that event as
well. Go ahead, Miss Dominique.
>> One thing to note related to volume, um,
some folks have had more experience
giving verbal commands. So, hey Meta,
raise volume to 50%. Hey, Meta, what's
my volume level? and being able to
adjust from there. And also depending on
your environment, it's important to
remember that these are bone conducting
headphones. So nothing is going straight
into your ear. So when we're in a
situation where there might be a lot of
extraneous noise around us, other people
being trained, people getting
registered, it could be very hard for
them to hear. So, um, I make sure to
tell people to make sure your volume is
at a moderate level and then put your
hands over the arms of the glasses
because that will make the sound louder
as it as the sound transmits into the
bones around your ears.
>> Great point, Dominique. I really
appreciate that, Miss Artha. Will you go
to the next slide, please?
All right. App pairing and connectivity
verification, Miss Dominique.
>> All right. So, it is important to make
sure that for full functionality, the
veteran has an iPhone or an Android
smartphone. Um, if they do not have one,
these are a wonderful pair of sunglasses
and unfortunately can't be used for
anything more than that. One thing that
we have found um in lessons learned is
some of the government assistance
smartphones uh have a multi-device
management software on them that
prohibits the Meta AI app being
downloaded. Um, so it's important to
kind of check on that as well. But one
of the things that we do is uh help the
veteran if they need it pair the Meta AI
app and the glasses together. Um, we do
send out uh just kind of a request.
Could you please download the, you know,
the app before you get here and set up a
Meta account? Uh, because they also have
to have a some sort of meta account or
be able to register through their email
in order to use the app as well. So, if
the veteran is able, then they will
download it, create their account, and
sometimes they need a little bit of
assistance. So, it's important to
remember that if they're using a screen
reader, um, and you need to turn that
off to get their permission or have them
turn it off and then to make sure to
turn it on for them, uh, before they go,
I have the opposite problem. I'm a
screen reader user, so I have to
remember to turn the screen reader off
if someone's not a screen reader user.
Um, and so just making sure that you
return their phone to them in the exact
accessibility condition that you receive
it. But once uh the glasses are paired,
uh, we or when we are ready for the
glasses to be paired, we are going to
press the button on the back of this
device until the button on the front
turns blue. Um, and then the fereral
glasses to the app. And then that's when
we start walking people through the uh
the tutorial of how to use the glasses.
Um, [clears throat] Dominique.
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> I do want to add just for situational
awareness and lessons learned that I
know sometimes it would be exciting to
take all of the devices out of the boxes
and have them on the table ready to go.
Um, lesson learned from that. Uh, we do
not recommend that. We recommend that
you have the device with the box because
if you have more than one person in a
room connecting phones, there is a
chance that you will connect one device
to the wrong pair of glasses or vice
versa. So, um it is very important to
reference the model number that is on
the box when you pair those devices. So,
keeping that all together and making
sure that you are actually pairing the
device that is in front of you is
imperative as you move forward in this
process. I'll pass that back to you,
Dominique.
>> Yeah. No, I think that that is great.
Um, and so I'm always a proponent of
double-checking that serial number on
the box and making sure the right box is
associated with the right pair of
glasses. So, keeping it in the box
definitely saves saves us all from a
little bit of extra hassle. Once you
have those glasses paired, it's
important that we test it to make sure
that the AI is connected because
sometimes the U meta AI feature of the
glasses is disabled or we need to go
back in and repair for some reason. So,
whenever it says that it's ready to
pair, I have the veteran put on the
glasses and ask something like, "What's
my battery level?" or "What's the
tallest building in the world?" And so
it's important that uh we get that
timing right when they're asking that
question as well because one, we want to
make sure that the AI is functioning
correctly, but also we want to make sure
that they're are doing uh the prompting
correctly as well. So we're going to
say, "Hey, Meta." And then we're going
to listen for a little water drop sound.
Um and once we hear that, we can ask,
"What's the tallest building in the
world?" or "What's my volume level?
What's my battery level?" Something like
that. We had a really cool experience in
St. Louis where the the St. Louis arch
was right outside our meeting room
window. So we could take people over
there and say, "Hey Meadow, look
describe what's in front of me and it
was able to describe the arch." And then
we were able to ask more descriptive
questions, but also get some
non-blindness related information about
when the arch was built, what river uh
backs up to the arch, different things
like that. So having some of uh some
ways to get some of that descriptive
information is a great test feature as
well.
And to be able to build upon that, it's
important that you wait about 3 seconds
after you hear that chime. So you say,
"Hey, meta." You'll hear a chime and
then do the prompt. Sometimes
individuals get very excited and they're
like, "Hey, Meta D." And they'll start
asking their questions. You have to give
it a second to wake up. That's when
you're waking the AI up, not when it's
in consistent live AI mode. So, when
we're talking about onboarding and
connecting, we're talking about just the
waking of the device, not live AI,
because I know that that will come in
later. And then also, if they hear
silence or there's an error in the tone,
you can clear um the signal by checking
the settings and then you can be able to
proceed as normal. Dominique, is there
anything else you wanted to add to that?
>> Yeah. No, I think we just about covered
it.
>> Perfect. Artha, will you go to the next
slide, please?
Perfect. So, we're talking about the
voice interference and the golden rule.
And this is going to build upon what we
had just talked about. So, the voice
user interface or the uh VUI is the
primary interaction method that you have
with the device and the training. It is
important that you pause as you teach.
So, you need to have them speak
confidently. Hey meta, pause. Wait for
the water drop chime. And this is the
green light to be able to keep moving
forward with the conversation. So, hey
Meta, you hear the chime and then speak
the command that you're wanting Meta to
do. Hey Meta, what is my battery? Hey
Meta, uh, what temperature is it
outside? Whatever you're wanting to ask,
it's important to pause there. Um, and
practicing that a few times is very
important, especially if you have
somebody with a thick accent or um, I'm
from the south. uh micasians are are
sometimes harder when they're saying
meta. Um so helping them pronunciate and
saying it confidently is um the kind of
the green light to start moving forward
and to help practice that is going to
also help the AI learn their their kind
of speak language as well. If a veteran
um keeps getting photos instead of
videos, they're likely skipping that
chime. So, um, we could simply say,
"I've noticed that you're speaking
quickly. Let's try waiting and let's try
again." And just doing that positive
reinforcement. A lot of times, I know
that I've done this. Dominique's had a
just gently put her hand on my arm to
just slow down. And um when we're
working particularly with our older
population, we need to go at their pace
and allow their that them the time to
process the information,
exercise, and repeat because that's
going to help build their confidence as
they be able to move forward. Miss
Artha, the next slide, please.
Miss Dominique, this is the practical
mission scenarios.
All right. So, some of the things that
um we have them practice are just
general case use scenarios for how to
use the glasses. So, hey Meta, read this
or hey Meta, what is this in my hand?
One of my favorites is, "Hey Meta, look
and describe what's around me." Um, you
can, one thing that I like too is once
it gives you that detailed response or
that general response, whatever you
prefer, if you within a few seconds, you
can also ask follow-up questions to get
more detailed responses or to get
additional information. One thing that I
tell people is the glasses will
initially summarize for you, but it is
possible to ask more problemsolving
questions to get information. But this
is a great way to start just by saying,
you know, hey Meta, look and describe
what's in my hand. Hey Meta, read this.
Um, you can also connect your Meta
Glasses to services like Be My Eyes and
IRA, which are visual interpretation
services. So an IRA agent or Be My Eyes
volunteer can look through your glasses
on a call and give you descriptive
information about the things around you.
So, I've used this for cooking
instructions if it's something that's
not being captured very well by the
glasses. Um, I've you use it for makeup
checks sometimes um to make sure that
the things that I have match um or just,
you know, other visual information. Um,
but this is something that is is
possible to you can do this through your
phone or through your glasses. Um, it's
also great for that spatial awareness.
Hey, Meta, look and tell me what you
see. If I'm going to give a presentation
in a room, I want to know what that room
looks like before I get in. Is it
stadium seating? Is it conference
tables? Things like that. Where's the
podium? Um, is there a trash can?
Different things like that. And I can do
this all by exploring. But having that
additional information is really helpful
before I go up to the stage to present.
Um, and then
during a live be my eyes call or IRA,
like we mentioned, you can go back and
forth between your phone and your camera
by using the capture button to toggle.
So, there's so many different use case
scenarios for this. Um, I was talking to
a friend this morning that just got her
pair of glasses and there was a parked
car impeding her trash can this morning.
So, she was able to get the make, model,
and license plate of that car to find
out whose vehicle it was so they could
get out of her parking spot and she
could take her trash out. So, I mean,
there's so many you name it. I tell
people, you can't break it by asking
questions. Um, if it can't do something,
it'll tell you, but you can't break it
by asking questions.
>> And and just to build upon that, you
know, as we're exploring these different
features,
you're going to have to help the the the
mental process of problem solving. So,
for example, yes, Meta, can you read
this menu for me? And what Meta will do
is it will give you an overall review.
No, you could say, "Hey, Meta, stop.
Could you read me the hamburgers on the
menu?" And then it will scan and then
give you the exact descriptions of the
burgers. But then you might want to go,
okay, you know, hey Meta, what are the
prices on the Swiss mushroom burger? And
to be able to get that information. But
having to problem solve and dive deeper
is something that does not come very
naturally. Um, so that is a little bit
of coaching that you will have to do and
the more that they learn, the more they
explore, the more intuitive it will
become, but it is something that you
have to help kind of guide in the
beginning processes. Anything you want
to add on that, Miss Dominique?
>> Uh, no. I think you, you know, you
handled, you explained it well. I, you
know, just reminding that everybody's
different and some folks might need a
little bit more assistance than others,
but these are some great, uh, use case
practice scenarios.
>> Perfect. Missita, can you go to the next
slide, please?
All right. This is privacy
troubleshooting and exit. Miss
Dominique. All right. So, as I mentioned
before, one of the things that I like to
tell people is when you see that
illuminated light on the front of the
glasses, that means you are recording.
And just as a courtesy to other people,
things like that, that is why you have
that feature. just to um you know make
sure that the veteran knows that if they
are taking a photo or a video that will
illuminate. Um one thing to think about
is when you pair the app it asks if you
want to share extra data with Meta to
help um you know to help Meta AI learn
and I always give veterans the option of
that. It does not hurt how you use the
glasses or affect how you use the
glasses in any way but you do have the
ability to send data through to Meta so
Meta can learn and approve on the
glasses. And so I try to make sure that
uh everyone that I'm helping pair the
glasses has that full knowledge and can
make an informed decision about it. And
then I also, you know, remind people
that there may be some places you don't
want to take the glasses. Um you might
not want to have them with you in a
doctor's office or if you walk into the
restroom, different things like that. So
um there's always the option of putting
them in the case or of toggling off that
power switch. Sometimes it's a little
easier just to reach up and, you know,
swipe that switch back towards my ear
and turn the glasses off than it is to
take them off and put them in the in in
the case. So, um, those are some things
to think about as well. There are some
times where the glasses aren't working
to the best of their ability because
technology is technology and it works
until it doesn't. Um, and so there are
some troubleshooting tips that we can
use to u make that work a little bit
better. So, um, if you're experiencing a
system freeze where it keeps saying the
same thing over and over again or it
just isn't responding to you, you can
fold the right temple closed, wait 3
seconds, and reopen it to reboot. This
works for me all the time. Um, if for
some reason you need to voice override,
you can press and hold that capture
button on the top right for 3 seconds to
manually trigger the voice loop. And
then, um, just a, you know, as a
reminder for ongoing support that there
will be monthly help desk question and
answer sessions hosted by the Blind
Veterans Association as well as Tech
Soup to help answer any of these ongoing
questions.
>> Fantastic. And so with the in addition
to that with the help desk I do want to
let you know that on the BVA website at
bva.org org underneath programs
underneath resources. Meta and BVA has
partnered. We have a complete training
guide on that website as well with
common commands tactile references and a
step-by-step
guide to be able to help either if you
wanted to provide a copy to the people
that you are training or if you just
want to review that information as well.
Um those are all resources. They're
completely free of charge out there for
your consumption. And in addition to
that, um, we will be hosting the
webinars with Tech Soup, but then we
also will have additional webinars on
the BVA's calendar. And also cuz we are
trying to make this as simple as
possible for such a big project. Um
Dominique has been gracious enough and
volunteer
[laughter]
stages because again when you are trying
to find the answer to one small question
going through a 30inut video can be very
um overwhelming and we want to be able
to have it in bite-siz uh bite-sized
components. So that will be another
reference as well. And before we go to
the next slide, please I know you're
going to hear me say this and please do
not groan. Uh that these glasses are a
tool, a tool in the tool belt. They do
not substitute or replace rehabilitation
white canes or guide dogs. All right,
Miss Artha, can you go to the next
slide, please?
Fantastic. So this slide we have is just
as a quick reference guide if it would
be beneficial for you to have at
different events. This is um really good
for use cases. For example, hey meta,
wait for the chime, speak the command.
Also, hey meta, take a photo. Hey Meta,
start recording.
Stop
to get information. Hey Meta, read
what's in my hand. Can you describe
what's in my hand?
Um, now we sometimes will go through the
process of setting up Be My Eyes. Again,
that will be based on the organization
and the time constraints you have at
your distribution event. Some of our
events, we have the basic setup and then
we have our rehabilitation team setting
up Be My Eyes. If it's a slower event,
we will spend the additional time
getting it set up. That is completely up
to you as a partner agency and how you
would like to do that at your own event.
But we also sometimes will do hey meta
call a volunteer with be my eyes and
making sure that that app is connected
with the meta AI app.
Additional physical uh shortcuts to have
as a reference is to press the button
once on the upper right arm to take a
photo. Press and hold to be able to
start and then press and hold to stop.
In order to play, you're going to tap
the right touch pad once. And then to
increase the volume, you're going to
slide quickly forward or slide back to
turn down. And the inside on the left
arm is that power on and off switch. I
did see a question pop up that that
there is not a touch pad on the glasses.
There is not a tactile reference on the
glasses themselves. It is on the right
arm between the Ray-B band logo towards
the nose area and before you get to the
hook on the back of the glasses. It's
just a smooth surface. And that's why we
really take the time to practice with
the veteran on those quick motions being
in the middle of that Ray-B band sign
and the fold on the back. There's not
really a a touch point for that. Um it's
a a very motion memory kind of
component.
And then charging confirmation. Um this
is just reminding the veteran that when
they're sliding their glasses back into
the case to always face the lenses
towards the front where the button is
located and that you will hear a snap
when you slide it in. that what that is
able to do is to be able to make sure
that the nose charger and the charging
case itself has made the connection
point to be able to charge.
>> We call that the magnetic click. So, you
want to sink into the housing of the
case and you're going to kind of feel
that little click and that's the glasses
cannot go in any other way. Um, and so
just being able to feel that click and
have the lenses facing you is uh the
steps that you need to follow to make
sure that the glasses are in and then
the case can charge them.
Perfect, Miss Artha.
Awesome.
[laughter]
So this is our trainers cheat sheet that
is not coming through but again this is
one of those reference uh slides to be
able to have at the table to be able to
have for your trainers just as a quick
reference. Um we again are talking about
that language and etiquette. Ask before
acting or touching using absolute
orientation. Um using either clock face
reference, right, left and then also
making sure that you're using first
person or identity first language. Uh,
second is that golden rule. We'll say it
again to reinforce. Hey, meta. Wait for
that chime and then give the command
stop and reset. This is a privacy um
off, which is the switch on the upper
left side of the glasses. And to reboot,
you're going to fold the arm in, wait 3
seconds to provide the override. And
then again, there is support and um
validation. And if a veteran feels
frustrated, just take a moment to
validate their experience. Um, we all
get overwhelmed. I know sometimes when
we're trying to get Zoom to work
appropriately, we, you know, we feel
that frustration. So, just to take the
time, um, to validate their experience
and that they're learning a new tool and
that sometimes just to take a deep
breath and let's try it again. Um, and
then you can always refer them back to
the blinded veterans um or bva.org or
website or reach back out to Tech Soup
help desk for additional sessions to be
able to provide additional support.
Miss Artha,
perfect. So, I know that that's a lot of
information. Um, I do want to provide
some reassurance that when you are
downloaded the app and you are starting
the pairing, Meta has done a fantastic
job in guiding you steps throughout the
process. So, you do not have to have all
of this ready to go. It will prompt you
through as you move forward with the
pairing and it's providing that
information and guidance to the veteran
that you have training. These are just
additional tools and resources to be
able to help guide you in that process.
Dominique, do you have anything you'd
like to add before we move on to
question and answers?
>> I think that we have covered it and um
you know, just knowing that we're going
to have these extra help desk and
question and answer sessions, I think
will help folks who are in all different
stages of learning, all different stages
of their vision loss. So, no, I think
that just about covers it.
>> Awesome. Well, we did have a question
about um Yeah, that was great. Lots of
hearts and emojis going up. Yes, keep
those going up. That was really, really
great. Um, a partner that's giving
glasses away asked, "What if we can't
give all of our glasses away?" It's a
great question.
>> That would be a Meta or Connor question.
So, I will pass it over to them.
I I'll I'll pause briefly for Metaith to
jump in if they'd like to, but but I
will say that, you know, we really
stress try and figure out the number of
devices that you can comfortably, you
know, feel confident about distributing.
There's always going to be some
scenarios I think when um you have some
leftovers. My recommendation uh and Meta
do jump in if you have a differing
opinion would be to consider giving
multiple devices to to some um uh
veterans that you've already provided
them to. A second pair may come in handy
later.
>> Thanks so much, Connor. Yes, absolutely.
Um first of all, please be be thoughtful
about the number that you are
requesting. We are seeing high numbers
of of requests. So let's make sure that
you have a really good idea of of how
many you need in order to get to the
people that you serve. And then
secondly, absolutely um these are a
consumer device and that means that the
battery length can go down quickly
particularly for blind and low vision
users who are power users and are using
the glasses for a significant amount of
time. So, we would encourage you to give
multiple pairs to people that you've
already donated to and are seeing value
in.
>> The other thing that I would like to add
to that, um, reach out to your local
partner agencies that might be serving
blind, low vision veterans. Um, that's
just my opinion before giving a second
pair. Um, just because we want to make
sure that we're providing this tool uh,
for the intented um, agreement. Um, for
example, we're going to be in Tyler,
Texas coming up on Thursday this week.
We brought in several veteran serving
organizations to really pull that
resource together to be able to get the
biggest impact possible and really
working that network to make sure that
we're getting it to as many people as
possible. Cuz what we are discovering
through this fantastic outreach event is
there are so many veterans in our rural
areas who are outside of the VA network
who need to to get connected to those
resources. Not only the resources of the
glasses, but resources to your
organizations that are providing this
information and support network to the
veterans. It's kind of bringing all of
the pieces together and building that
network up. Dominique,
>> if it's the case where you decide to
issue more than one device, my
suggestion is that you assist the
veteran in naming each pair of glasses.
So, it could be Wayfair 1 or Wayfair 2
or like I helped a gentleman who got a
pair for work but was a veteran so you
know he wanted a personal pair that he
could use at home and so that we, you
know, we listed that as Joe's home
glasses. Um, so making sure that it's
something that is easily identifiable
because that's easier than keeping up
with the last four of a serial number.
>> Great feedback.
>> Um, just a friendly reminder because
there's several questions in the chat
about is this being recorded? Yes, we
will send the recording out to you along
with the slides. I know a couple said
you had trouble seeing the slides. We'll
send the slides out to you. Um, question
from Priority Access Service says
they're serving the homeless population.
they would would can they distribute the
glasses to individuals that are
homeless?
>> The intent of the program is for blind
low vision veterans. Um that is the main
scope. We understand that that is a a
population that desperately needs to be
served. But at this time and under the
current restraints of the program, it is
for blind low vision veterans. Um now if
they are blind low vision veteran who is
homeless, they would absolutely fall
into that. But at this time it is blind
low vision veterans.
>> Shane asks, "Do we need a pair to
demonstrate with or do we need to de
distribute them all?"
>> My recommendation is to distribute them
all just because that's kind of the
intent of the program. Um, I understand
and acknowledge that sometimes having a
demo pair available to practice and hone
your skills is beneficial. Um, but I
will leave that up to our meta contacts
and what guidance they would like to
provide on that.
>> Um,
you know, Leah, you're you're absolutely
right in that you've mentioned that
things are going to be personal as you
as you do it. It may be that you
yourself need to take a pair in order to
become really confident in doing some of
these demonstrations in order to make
sure that when you're going and
showcasing the glasses to um people at
events or at your centers or in your
facilities um you need to have a pair
which you have set up yourself. We are
very comfortable with that of course you
know it's we want to make sure that you
feel comfortable in showcasing the
technology. So very comfortable with
that. But as Leah says, the real focus
is getting these out to our blind and
low vision veterans.
>> So that that's the only reason why I
reference having a demo pair. Um because
again, we understand the trainers need
to have that skill set. I do want to
remind you that if you do have a pair of
meta glasses and you are providing a
training, I would recommend turning your
own pair off because as people around
you are saying, "Hey, Meta," you will
start having it chime in your own ears.
So, just as a reference point to turn
that off, Miss Artha, is there any other
questions?
>> Yes. Robert asks, "What documentation do
we need to verify the eligibility and do
we need to keep those documentations?
Beth, are you wanting your input or you
would you like what we are doing on the
BVA side?
>> We'll we'll hand it over to our experts
at the BVA, please, Leah. [gasps]
>> So, from BVA standpoint for um the
original intent was to be able to follow
the um BRS guidelines that are on the
va.org website. that is for the
requirements for blindness and low
vision and TBI does fall underneath that
because of the disruptions disturbances
in visual uh fields and acuitities that
take place through head trauma. So
that's kind of your guidance. Um but it
is up to the individual organization to
determine the um qualifications and the
eligibility to be able to follow
throughout that process. um from BBA
standpoint, we verify that they are a
veteran and then that could either be
through their um DD214 forms or their
veteran ID is a great way to be able to
have that information available and then
um we check for um through their usually
their VIS coordinator is who we
coordinate with to be able to verify um
their visual impairment. You can have a
prescription, you can have any of that.
I would recommend not taking it. You are
visually confirming that they meet the
requirements and that they get a pair of
glasses and that you are recording um
the number of devices distributed as
well as it's helpful if we know the
branch of service just so that we're
able to have that information to share
back with Meta. So from a nonprofit
standpoint, the collaboration that we're
having with Meta, the more data that is
not connected to an individual person
that we can share back to them is only
going to be able to help Meta's
marketing at the end of this project.
How many people were we able to serve?
What are the branches of service that we
saw the biggest trend in? Um having that
information to give back to them and
then where they're from. like we gave
out all 200 pairs if that was your
organization and they all lived in the
state of Georgia. That is all great
information that Meta can be able to use
in their marketing um and outreach
opportunities moving forward. So that's
for information sharing, but for
internal purposes, you need to do
what'sever in the guidance of your
state's 501c3
and making sure that you're keeping the
records that are required for your
state.
I hope that answered that question.
>> Artha, do we have any technical
questions um that have come through?
>> Yes. Um well, one
>> Sophia may be able to help us with with
anything.
>> One that keeps popping up. People want
to know about needing more. I need more
glasses. I need more glasses. And I see
somebody put in the chat, but for the
recording, if if we can have somebody
say where would they get more glasses
from?
>> You you can the email I've been popping
up in chat and responding directly that
Tech Soup email. follow up with us if
you've already distributed your
allotment. We'll help you out there.
>> Okay. Um, and Kim said, "How do we
verify that a veteran's only receiving
one pair of glasses with multiple
distribution points?"
>> I'm Can I answer that one, Leah? You
can't. This is like we're building
something built here on trust. We're
building something to serve those who've
served us. and you're you you could you
can't you can ask the question uh but
you have to work with your populations
in the way that works best for you.
>> So I will say from BBA standpoint when
we do our partner distribution events um
a majority of our events that we are
doing out in the public is that we are
partnering with local facilities or
local organizations because we want to
get those veterans tied into local
resources since we are a national
organization. So at that point, we have
an agreement to share information back
and forth between that agency and BBA.
So BVA has an internal database that we
are logging who has received a pair of
glasses, when they received it, where
they received it from. And when we're
out at distribution events, we are tag
teaming that to be able to flag if
they're receiving multiple devices, etc.
But again, it does go back to trust and
um putting that out there to know that
there are going to be a few people that
take advantage of it and know that our
true intent is to help as many veterans
as possible.
>> Okay, go ahead, Ben.
>> I I just really want to make sure that
Sophia gets a chance to speak. Um, and
so Sophia, is there anything that we
haven't that as a power user of the
glasses and as somebody who uses the
glasses every day and has been
instrumental in the development of them,
is there anything that we haven't
covered or that you really wish that
people would go away knowing?
>> Um, just a quick maybe note, you guys
did an awesome job of covering
everything. One of the things I was
going to say that you mentioned is like
the way you phrase your request to AI
really matters. So like the menu
example, you can say read only the
headings and not the ingredients and
then drill in and all of that like like
what you say um really helps. The other
thing is um the idea around like this
doesn't replace a cane or a guide dog is
super important. But what I would add to
that is I know a lot of people from my
research want to use it as like another
aid for obstacles. Um I don't think the
glasses are not great at things that are
changing quickly or things that um
require knowing where something is in
relation to you. We're working on it,
but our engineers have told me like AI
does not understand distance. It does.
It's It's kind of just beginning to
understand the relationship between like
you as the glasses wearers and whatever
you're looking for is. So if you ask it
like is there a car in front of me, it
might be able to tell you if it sees it,
but it's not great at knowing like where
it is in relation to you. And similarly,
things that change like is the light
green? Um it has to send that image to
the server and then the server needs to
send the answer back. So, um, even if it
is an accurate answer, uh, it's it's
just something that, um, we tried to to,
you know, preemptively block as many as
these as we can just for safety. But,
um, I know it's a very things that like
sound very appealing because of the
camera, but the tech does have its
limits. Um, um, and then the other thing
I will add is we do have a panel. um I
can send a link if that would be helpful
um for people to sign up if they want to
be considered for future studies. So
like I said, we do take user feedback
into account. Um most of those will be
with me, but there might be others with
other researchers. So you can help us
test new features and give us feedback
and whoever wants to sign up for that um
is more than welcome to. So
>> may I add to what you said, Sophia?
>> Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
>> And may I add on to what you said? Oh,
of course.
>> So, my background is in teaching people
how to travel using the white cane. Um,
and everything you said was 100% spoton.
So, you know, Meta might say that
there's a trash can in front of you,
>> but exactly like you said is that time
and distance are very relevant and even
though it's giving you that information,
it's up to you on how you process that
information. It's um how you interpret
it and how you use your additional
travel skills to find that trash can or
to interpret the red light. I would
strongly advise against people not using
it to cross a street.
>> Yes. Please don't do that. [laughter]
>> Yes. Um and it that's where your other
foundational skills come into play. Um,
and that's why we are having these
conversations with our veterans and
seeing some of them sign up for extra
services that are really going to
benefit them in the long run in
conjunction with their metabolas.
>> So, thank you for that.
>> I want to say there are some questions
that we couldn't get to. What I'm going
to do is put those questions in our
engagement hub, which is the exact same
link you use to register for this event.
So, I'll put those questions there and
then somebody from Meta or BVA will go
in and answer those questions for you
and you'll see them live in real time.
Can I add one thing just a very very
quick because I was running through the
chat while Miss Sophia and Dominique
were talking. If you are at an expo
event or if you are an event with a
large number of people, I highly
disenourage you doing that. Um, we have
done three and you are overwhelmed,
extremely overwhelmed. It's very hard to
hear. Now, if you are at an expo event
and you're providing information and you
have a space or a room outside of the
hall or down the ways that you can be
able to move the veterans into providing
the dis uh for distributing the device
and providing the training, fantastic.
But if you are trying to do it in an
expo hall, I will tell you it is a
nightmare. We have lessons learned out
the wazoo on that one. Um, more power to
you if you can do it. I think that's
fantastic. But just a lessons learned
from our standpoint.
>> Um, can I add one more quick thing that
I just thought of?
>> Is that
>> Go for it.
>> Um, yeah. The other thing is also like
explore the features. Um, a lot of uh
there's an accessibility feature you can
turn on. Um, I I didn't hear this
before. Um, under settings in
accessibility settings, you can turn on
something called detailed responses,
which means that when AI describes
something for you, it will be more
detailed instead of like assuming like
give you like, oh, this is a room, it'll
instead tell you like this is a room
with X, Y, and Z. Um, and so that that
is something that I would highly
recommend turning on. We are constantly
improving it and it does give a lot more
detail than the default. The default is
meant for people who can see and don't
necessarily want to know everything
there. Um, and then there's also a lot
of features that are not necessarily
like blind specific that are really
helpful um that like are just constantly
coming out. There's like something where
you can um have it summarize a
conversation that you record. you have
to like actively record it. It's not
just recording something. So like yeah,
just explore the features. It's it's
kind of a lot in there that you can that
you can use.
>> Thank you, Sophia. I'm super aware that
we're at time everybody. Connor Artha,
>> uh very final thing. Techup will soon
start to distribute a survey to all the
organizations that are participating.
Really really would appreciate uh you
taking the time to respond to that uh
once you've had some experience
distributing devices.
Thank you all for being here today. Just
a friend of reminder, this has been
recorded. A lot of people asked, we'll
send out the recording later today or
early tomorrow. And look forward to
seeing you on our next webinar, which
will be August 26th. And go back to this
link in the engagement hub and you'll
see the answers to your questions that
weren't answered live. Thank you so much
Meta and BBA for being here. Goodbye
everybody.
>> Thank you.