TOP 1% Health Routine: How to Stay Healthy, Productive & Full of Energy

The moment you cross into 30s, 40s, 50s, the body start to decline. Most people think that I'm eating healthy means I [music] am healthy. But actually first thing they don't even know what their body is deficient of right you need [music] to know what is in that peel. What is in that supplement? A lot of people buying supplement because they see that word vitamin C or calcium. The danger here is that are you overdosing. [music] There's a huge disconnect in terms of our relationship with food. >> Meet Dr. Mong, a Singapore-based health scientist, entrepreneur, [music] and best-selling author who is passionate about helping people take control of their health through nutrition and biohacking. With over 250,000 followers on Instagram, [music] he's built a community that inspires people to rethink their relationship with food. As investors, we often focus on growing our wealth. But what [music] good is wealth if we don't have the health to enjoy it? In today's conversation, we will explore food, nutrition, longevity, and what it truly means to invest [music] in your greatest asset, your health. Hi everyone, welcome back to another episode of Ariad Deep Dive. Today, I have a very special guest. And in fact, the guest name is right here. [laughter] Our Dr. Mark Leong is here. And the reason why I think that it's such an interesting episode to understand more about health is because when it comes to you know like my channel is all about wealth creation right but at the end of the day what truly can make you enjoy your wealth is actually having a very good health and that is why today I want to interview Dr. Marky Lyong who has really decades of health insight to come and share with you how to actually live a better life so that you can also learn how to use your money wisely to improve your health as well. So thank you so much Dr. M for being here and sharing with us all your amazing insights. >> Oh thank you for having me on your show. I'm really excited about it. I'm looking forward for all your viewers here to get massive insights on how they can make more money by first thing ensuring that don't be healthy [laughter] you know and yeah you know a lot of times people talk about being healthy but I think it's a wrong concept you got to understand why why do you want to be healthy don't be healthy be beautiful be younger be stronger have more energy >> then it's clearer right than a wider word of being healthy >> that is true right what is the specific aspect of health that you want to improve rather than just a generic health health. Okay, very interesting. We are definitely going to go into that. The first question I have for you is what make you zoom into health despite all the other things that you can focus on. Why health? Why this as an health education that you're so passionate about? >> I didn't start my business or entrepreneurship journey because I wanted to get out of my corporate life. Okay. >> Uh in fact, I never thought about it at all. Um, so what really hit me on the turning point was uh one day we got a call from my mom and while I was in Germany and she said to me that my father was having stage four cancer. >> Oh no. >> Right. Uh I flew back uh and the doctor told us that he had around 6 months to leave because he's aggressive stage four. Um at that point of time I think we all had never dealt with anything of such impact and uh yeah we were trying to do whatever we could and of course uh the typical treatment is chemotherapy, radiotherapy, more imunotherapy. >> Um on the fourth month my father was literally dying from the treatment rather than the cancer. So we decided to pull the plug. >> That's true. I think the whole challenge was that also the the medical cost was insane, right? Whatever insurance is not enough, you still have to, you know, fork out money. >> So, we find that it was really tough for my siblings, myself and and every one of us, right? So uh at a point of time we tried alternative solutions like you know speaking to different cancer survivors doctors of other countries like from US, Europe that has dealt with terminal cancer patients and we found that hey actually there is not just about this treatment but the diet plays a part the emotional support plays a huge part. >> We tried to make those changes and again we are very blessed. I didn't expect that that remaining two months my father and all of us were blessed with the privilege of extending his lifespan to another four more years. >> What? >> Yeah. So >> from 2 months to four more years >> but of course that 4 years he couldn't walk anymore. He became paralyzed. Um the extension of life for us was a lot right? >> Yeah. >> So that was how a lot of people started asking what do you what do your father do? Which doctor do you go to? What treatment? That was where I realized that there are many people that has gone on a path of conventional treatment like chemotherapy >> and either they suffered badly or they died halfway through the treatment >> and people that didn't want to go for that sort of treatment but they were lost in terms of how should I eat what should I do >> so I decided that you know since everyone was asking me I wanted to share that >> before we continue let me share with you one very powerful strategy to help you to get 5% interest boost for the next 365 days by using Longbridge. I've been using this MAS regulator brokerage account for almost a year now and I really find it super userfriendly. Plus, you get to enjoy lifetime 0 commission for US, Hong Kong, and SG stocks. 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So I decided that you know since everyone was asking me I wanted to share that >> and at at one point it was really costing me a lot of energy time right so I thought you know what I'm just going to give my time but in exchange there is certain cost >> and then my my current co-founder which is my partner amazing and she once said you know what I think we can really enjoy this phase of life where we don't look at playing politics >> because both of us were holding high positions in a in a corporate uh MNC >> and it's all about politics, right? How well you play to be on top there. And at a point of time was managing uh 3,000 over employees and a regional role. >> Wow. >> So the stress was insane, right? >> So she said, "You know what? I'm not going to see myself doing this for the next 10, 20 years. Let's do something meaningful." >> So we jump into building farms Asia. >> Okay. >> That was how it started. I see. >> And while we were still at the same time doing uh our full-time job, >> so that was how it started. And it was tough. It was really tough with no clue about business, entrepreneurship, P&L, uh what else you name it, marketing, sales, zero clue. >> Yeah. So originally the farms Asia farm it's still around, right? I saw the website. So you initially started by teaching people how to grow farm or what what's that? >> Oh no. So we we we started teaching people with chronic conditions like cancer, uh diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, how you should change your diet rather than telling people, oh you got to eat healthy, right? So uh we did that and of course eventually we hired um amazing chefs, many of them were from Master Chef competition show. >> Wow. >> And to redesign plant-based food that doesn't taste like cutboard. You know, a lot of people want to eat healthy, but you don't enjoy as in particularly Singaporeans because you find that it's too cold and I can't eat salad, right? Even for me. So, I want to eat something warm, something hot. >> Yeah. >> And we thought, you know what? Let's get the best chefs to redesign that. Then, of course, eventually we also bought some farms. We started planting food. But again, it was it was tough, right? I didn't expect that. Um, >> becoming a farmer was really tough. But anyway, the the whole name of farms >> because we wanted to bring people back to basics, back to nature. Yeah, >> that was the whole idea. >> Wow, that is really beautiful. So, right now I know that your business also start to pivot a lot as well. So, I can see that you are very passionate about different kind of like products that you have as well. So, I'm very curious, right? Because based on a lot of things I heard it's always like two sides of the coin. Some people say it's good to take supplements. Some people say no, you should just naturally take uh you know foods and then your body should be able to absorb the nutritions and and what's your take on that actually? >> That's a good question. Yeah, >> if you are younger means in your 20ies you should focus on food unless you are an athlete. >> Now the moment you cross into 30s, 40s, 50s, the body start to decline, right? And lifestyle plays a huge part. >> Now there is only so much food that you can eat in a day and because of that you know most people think that I'm eating healthy means I am healthy but actually first thing they don't even know what their body is deficient of. M >> so the most important thing here is that we don't blindly go and buy supplements or eat a bunch of healthy food which you think is healthy when the in fact it's not go and do a test right know exactly what your body is deficient of in terms of minerals vitamins and nutrients right now if I'm lack of protein >> which is most common among Singaporeans or Southeast Asians right we take a lot of carbs >> let's say if you need 140 grams of protein in a day based on your breakfast lunch and dinner can that amount that you're eating right now >> mm need that number. If the answer is no, >> then of course you have to rely on supplement. So there is no good or bad in terms of supplements or oh again right leaning back oh should we go on just full whole who wholesome meal diet perfect if you can eat that content that amount but it's almost impossible info for me now it's really bad to again assume that you can eat and then go and eat a bunch of supplements it doesn't work that way so it's always that balance true >> but my whole point here is that apart from the balance like everything else right you need to know what is in that peel what is in that supplement a Lot of people buying supplement because they see that word vitamin C or calcium. >> But again the danger here is that are you overdosing. >> Secondly you know are you buying supplements that are legitimate means they have gone through clinical studies that have certain certification is part of HSA approval. >> This to me is the fundamental. >> If you take all these boxes great >> I see. Since you're talking about health, right? What is the most misconception about health that like we often get wrong? Like what is considered healthy food? Like for example, in my opinion, I think oh eating fruits are good, eating berries, eating banana, they are considered healthy, eating yogurt, they are considered healthy. Am I correct or am I wrong? >> You you you are right. >> But again, I wish that there was a as simple as a black and white answer. >> Okay. >> I think today we are living in a very complicated world, right? complicated in a sense that today when someone asked me uh is eating yogurt healthy >> in general yogurt is supposed to be healthy >> but because of the demand the supply is impossible for those companies to produce a naturally fermented yogurt in volume so and it has to taste great in order for the general mass market to buy y >> so in order to do that what they do sugar >> they have to add sugar have to add coloring right and they don't put real strawberries in then preservatives is that the shelf life has to go until one year. >> Yeah. >> So if you are picking those sort of yogurt definitely it's unhealthy. It's like as good as you are drinking a a can of Coke. >> Yeah. >> Right. So again I wish there was an answer Chloe to say that okay eating yogurt is healthy or eating whole meal bread is healthy. But there's so much complexity today. There is no one answer. So what is the simplest way >> for [clears throat] me is that the misconception of eating healthy is eating healthy is wrong. It's a big misconception. Right. Like granola >> is granola healthy? I >> I guess so. [laughter] is it's most people think it's healthy, right? Actually, it's as bad as eating your cornflakes, your cereal, because the sugar in there is high. If I were to simplify this for my patients and my clients, I say, you know what, >> just keep it simple. >> Eat the real food. Eat food that you don't need to read the label. Eat foods that our ancestors were eating, right? So, if you're eating chicken is chicken, not chicken nuggets that you have to read what is inside there, right? You can see it's a chicken. If you're eating fish, you can see the fish. If you're eating veg, it's a veg. If you're eating fruits, it's just fruits. That's all >> you know recently I had a conversation with my friend and after that I kind of felt demoralized about the food supply then she told me that there's a lot of like uh being you know be it chicken they've been injected by something else you know if it's a cow then maybe they're not fed properly and then I felt like oh my god then what is good food right there's no healthy good food out there and what shall we do you know as as you know like a a busy working adult it's it's very difficult for us to really source good food so how Do you counter that? >> Oh, that is a real real problem, right? A real true problem. >> So, I try to number one eat organic food as much as I can. I mean, in Singapore, the good news is that um organic food is >> inexpensive compared to many countries. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Yeah, it is. Um again, I think a lot of people have that wrong uh impression that organic food is expensive, right? But we have not really done a comparison now. We were taking prices of 30 years ago. So actually uh if you look at the price difference it's not significant. >> Okay. >> Right. So for me uh I would try to get organic uh food in particularly vegetables >> uh and berries because these are called the dirty dozen means no matter how you wash with water it's really hard to remove the pesticides. >> Oh really? Oh my gosh. >> For me that I don't compromise right now. Then of course when it comes to the meat I try to go for grass-fed >> meat as much as I can. That's about it. Of course, when we are eating outside, we can't control the quality of the meat and the vegetables. So, I try to control what I eat at home and when I buy that for my family, that's all. >> To you, you felt like even though um the cost of buying organic food or eating grass-fed animal is slightly more expensive, but the the cost to it, it will be a fraction to what kind of medical bills that the person will pay eventually if they keep on eating bad food. >> I mean, I always look at I mean, that's one perspective to it, right? The other perspective is that I mean again I can't speak for general viewers here. >> I ask myself if I'm working so hard where do I spend my money on right? So definitely I spend on creating experiences for my family by taking them for different holidays travel around the world. That's one part of it. >> Second part is on personal you know grooming. I think we all need to take care of ourselves. >> Yeah. >> Um the third thing is I spend a lot on high quality food. Yeah. >> Now for me is that if you don't spend on this then again right where do you spend your money on? So for me I mean I'm not on the concept of you leave to eat but if I want to eat I don't need a lot. I just need a bit but the quality of the food has to be good. >> And you know people talk about preventive right? Oh you know I I don't want to be sick and all that. How many people really care about it? Most people don't care. They care only when they got the problem. That's true. >> So I don't believe in that context of okay you know I'm going to eat healthy now so that I don't get that problem. But for me now is that I want to have that immediate energy. >> So Chloe, you are an entrepreneur yourself. >> Do you agree that energy is very important? >> It's the most important. >> Most important, right? I eat shitty food, I get shitty energy outcome, right? >> The output. >> When I put in good input, I get good output. >> So for me is that if I put in good quality food, I feel great. I I need that energy. I need that, >> you know. I don't want to What is the point? You make a lot of money and or successful but you are feeling half dead all the time. In fact, you can't be successful if you're feeling crap. Right. That's true. Okay, that totally makes sense. So why do you think like like generally people in Singapore or even in developed countries um they constantly feel tired? A lot of times like people talk to me say, "Oh, how come you have such a high energy?" I thought it was just natural for me to have high energy. I'm not sure. Is it just me or But I don't think I pay particular attention to food. I was mainly just through exercises and all this then I'm able to maintain my energy. So what's your tips to people who constantly feel very tired what should they do? >> So there are two components to it. The first component for me is the part where you know we all can control right? So that is your food. >> I used to think that food didn't play a huge part in my younger days but as I cross the age of 40 I promise you guys it plays a huge part you know. So for me is that again I don't eat a lot. I eat just nice because the more you eat the more energy the body requires to digest the food and you get sleepy, right? >> Yeah. >> Um so that part is number one. Number two I avoid late dinner. >> In fact I end my dinner 5 to 6 p.m. That is the latest. >> So why the next morning I want to be fully functional. >> Yeah. >> When you eat late when you go to bed your body is still actually trying to digest the food. And that's why a lot of people wake up feeling tired. So it goes into a vicious cycle then you pump more coffee and again the whole cycle goes right. So for me I eat early. >> Thirdly something that is really difficult for many patients of ours even for me is sleep. >> Oh >> sleep plays a huge part in the energy right so again right last time at 20 you can go clubbing and all that. Now I'm like by 11 if I don't sleep next day you know I'm going to have a problem concentrating. >> So sleep for me is very important. So these are the three parts that I find that it's um controllable and and manageable by most people. The other subjective part is >> why are we waking up each day right what are you pursuing you can do by the way yeah you can eat right you can exercise you can manage your sleep but if you don't have a purpose a meaning of >> what are you looking forward to you won't have the energy because >> what are you doing you're just going through motion right so maybe you know for you I believe you have a very clear purpose >> right for me I know that okay this is what I need to do today next month next here. What do I need to do? You know, and that's why I'm constantly energized. >> Uh even though I'm tired, I try to bring up my energy. And the last thing out of everything here, stay away from energy suckers. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. You mean people? >> Yeah. People, right? So whether it's family, whether it's colleagues, anyone, right? I try to stay away from people that likes to complain, people that are are not adding value because I find that >> it drains my energy. >> True. True. >> And I don't want a lot of people in my life. I just want a few. But whenever I meet them, they like they bring their energy, right? Like, hey, Mark, wow, you know what? This is something new. I'm like, wow, I'm excited. I got one friend. He's like a Energizer Bunny, right? He's like, wow, you know what? This is cool, right? So, I'm like, wow, this is amazing. I'm like, whoa, okay, share, share more with me. So you know I think these are there's no one way but these are all the different factors for me uh which has helped me to constantly have that energy. >> Yeah and I I think energy is contagious like when when you are high energetic right people around you also feel your energy and naturally you will you they will also feel happier and all this. So sometimes actually it all starts from you. Okay. You can be the one to choose to have high energy. But very importantly is actually taking care of different parts of your your life, right? Be it from food, from sleep to you having a purpose. There's one very interesting thing that I want to understand about your routine. What's your daily routine like? Because just now you talk about oh you sleep by 11, right? And then then you make sure that you have the dinner before 5 or 6 p.m. Right. So can you share with us what is your routine? So that enable you to have such a high energy good health condition even at I don't know what how old are you but you look like in your 40 years old. >> Yeah. In my 40s. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Correct. >> Now my routine is boring, right? Nothing exceptional. My weekdays, weekends, they're all the same. >> Uh I wake up as early as uh 6:00 to 6:30 a.m. Exercise helps me to have more energy. I think it allows me to have a stronger body to understand all the challenges every day. So uh that again shifted only I think when I was in my 30s. In the past I used to think that you know what if I'm tired I'm just going to sleep. >> But actually the more I sleep the more tired I become. >> I exercise four times a week. >> Uh I have a light breakfast. >> Then I start working. >> All right. I work work work work work until yeah 10 to 11. Depends on days that if we don't have special campaigns or anything else I try again. I think it's still tough uh to go to bed by then, but uh yeah uh by 12, you know, that's it. So I eat about two times a day. >> Two times a day. >> Most of the most of the time. >> So light breakfast, >> heavy lunch. >> Heavy lunch. >> Right. That's it. That's it. Right. Of course. Dinner. >> I do take occasionally, but maybe like three times a week. That's all. >> So yeah, then I do a lot of juicing at least once every week. So I go on a juice diet to rest my stomach >> so that I don't just digest digest digest solid food is important for the skin and the whole energy the cell renewal which is a way of fasting. So my my my day today I eat almost the same food every day. Nothing exception there. No cheat days, right? It's the same same stuff, right? Yeah, that's my typical day. Nothing nothing fancy. I think one thing that really helped me also in terms of apart from my diet, my exercise is that I >> put my phone away first thing in the morning when I wake up. >> I used to check emails, check messages, look at social media. >> But I realized that it was very negative. It drained my energy emotionally and mentally. So I only look at it the moment I get into office. So in the morning I will spend time for myself. >> That's beautiful. >> Get sunlight. >> Do you meditate? >> No, I don't meditate. I find it challenging for me. >> Yeah. But I do a lot of reflection of what has done well uh the day before. What do I want to achieve today? Then I list down the priorities. Right. So for me it's just that that you're journaling. >> Just that silent morning for myself which I take about 30 minutes to an hour. I think it's so important >> before we start hustling, start, >> you know, the crazy routine. At least for me. >> Oh wow. It really reminds me of the other podcast episode I did with um a founder of money smart, right? His name is Vote and he talked about every morning he want to make sure he care for himself first. Yes. Right. That he does his exercise, he does his meditation because at the end of the day is you need to be careful before you can care for others. And I can see the resemblance of how successful people actually live their like daily life and the way that you um you treat your day-to-day. It's very consistent. It's like mini effort that you do every single day that make you to be who you are. It's very similar to investing. A lot of people like keep on thinking that oh investing you know like you just go big or go home but actually it's not right. It's supposed to be consistent monthly effort that eventually compound into a very big portfolio as well. So I'm very curious uh Dr. Mark do you personally like to invest as well like apart from you know uh investing your capital into growing your business do you invest in other means like maybe stocks and shares? >> So I invest in only three parts. >> Okay. >> My portfolio is divided in three parts right. So the first one is definitely businesses. >> Yeah. >> So uh apart from our own business we also uh invest in other startups on founders that have a great vision. I believe in you know helping you know some of these people which I look back 10 years ago I was in that position. Second part of my investment portfolio is real estate. >> So I I I do invest a lot in real estate. >> Uh and the third one is definitely stocks >> but nothing fancy because I think there's a big misunderstanding between investment and trading. >> True. >> You know uh I don't have time to go and monitor the ups and the downs and then you know sell sell high buy low and all that. Right. For me, I I I just want to look at the companies, you know, their financials, the board, their vision, you know, how are they running it? >> Uh, and and then if I find that, okay, this ticks all the box, I'm just going to put my money into that stock and just leave it there, right? >> As a form of growing it because after all, I I I personally find that stocks are still more liquid than real estate. >> Yep. Yep. >> Same for businesses, right? These are things that you cannot like immediately, oh, next six months I want to cash out. You you can't. Yeah. >> So I I still need that liquidity on my money or my you know wealth that I am growing because I mean to me it's ridiculous to put it in a bank. How much can FD give you right? You can speak to the banker what premium banking whatever. So I yes I do I do believe in in investment but this is just my simple three portfolios. That's it. >> So how usually when you hold on to the stocks how many years do you hold on to them? >> Years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Years. >> Yeah. And I think that's how well we think it's being compounded because many people always have this get rich quick kind of uh like like mentality. They want to buy now and then the next year they become very rich. But it's not like that, right? For you it also takes effort to compound your portfolio. Is that correct? >> True. Yeah. >> I also want to ask like for someone right like uh who for example like me I already pretty much exercise right. I take care of my body. I generally avoid lousy food like fried food and all this. What do you think are the missing piece in our lives that can further improve our energy, our health and more? >> That's a tough question. How's your sleep? >> I will try to at least clock 7 hours a day. >> Quality sleep. Is it deep sleep? >> That one I can't say for sure. But how do you know? How do you know whether is it deep or Uh so now there's a lot of uh devices biohacking devices that you can actually put on on your ring or your wrist as a bangle to track the quality of your sleep. Again right the duration of sleep may not equal to the quality of the sleep. >> So a deep sleep means you don't even have any dreams. You just get into total knock knockoff and next morning you wake up you feel energized. You may even sleep for just 6 hours but you wake up feeling great. that I find that has a was a game changer for me uh in terms of my energy renewal. Right? So one thing for all of you that are watching if you really find that you are struggling to sleep immediately or you sleep for many hours you wake up still feeling tired >> go for magnesium >> magnesium >> yeah you can immediately feel the difference within that night right or within the first week you're going to feel waking up feeling more refreshed. >> So that that is the first thing that you can do. Second thing is that again when you exercise uh don't exercise too late in the evening because that will affect the quality of your sleep. >> Oh, how late is considered late? >> So I would recommend you know to at least have 5 hours before your sleeping time. >> 5 hours. >> Yeah. But again, it really depends on the age, right? So if you're younger maybe doesn't really affect, but the moment you're in your 40s, 50s, 60s, you can't be exercising at 9 and try to go to bed at 10 or 11 >> because you still feel energized. >> The heart rate is still high, right? and your brain is fresh. >> So, it's going to affect the quality of the sleep and then you're going to wake up feeling tired. >> So, [laughter] and it's like why I'm exercising but I'm still feeling tired. Right. The third thing is uh fasting. >> Yeah. >> So, fasting to me is amazing. Right. >> So, I I again I do a lot of fasting. Sometimes I just eat two times in a day. >> Weekends if I'm very busy, I got a lot of talks, seminars, events, consultations. I would just go on liquid food >> which is your juicing. >> Juicing or soups? just full liquid diet. >> Oh, and that helps because there's no nothing tend like too much things for the >> body to digest but you still got your calories for energy. >> Interesting. >> But uh you feel really energetic. >> One thing that I actually tried fasting for a while but there are also people who say but you're already so skinny if you don't eat you'll become even more skinny. I was like h okay then in the end I felt I'm too hungry. I go back to eating normally. So how is fasting going to affect a person's being skinny or not? >> There there are two types of fasting. >> One type of fasting is you literally just don't eat anything. You you know you're just on liquid diet or you totally don't even eat. Uh now of course that sort of fasting it's not recommended that you do too frequently >> one day in a month or maximum one day in a week. Now then there's the other type of fasting called intermittent fasting where you instead of eating three meals, five meals a day, you just eat twice a day. >> Yeah. >> Now there's a lot of misconception, right? Where people think that, you know, if I'm going to eat two times a day, I'm going to lose weight. I'm going to become slimmer. Well, it depends what you eat in that two meals. If you're going to eat fried chicken, you're going to eat long tong sate. You can eat two times, but you're going to gain weight. Nasi pardang, right? You know, and the volume. So note uh Chloe, you don't become thinner by going for intermittent fasting. >> It's the quality of the food that you're eating, right? That's it. The volume >> and the type of food that you're eating. If you're eating huge, I guarantee even if you eat once a day, >> you still get fat. >> You're going to get fat. >> I see. Okay. It's once again the quality type of food. So what is because you said that every day you eat the same thing, right? What do you eat every day? eggs, chicken breast, uh salmon, right? Um yeah, I eat potatoes, um rice, that's it. >> And fruits. >> Fruits. A lot of berries. I take a lot of berries. >> And for yourself, do you also take supplement? >> Yes, I do. Yeah. >> Yeah, I do. >> So, what kind of supplements do you think that it's important for people to actually consume? I take based on my uh deficiency and also based on the performance that I want to achieve in my uh workouts. So I only take five things right. I take probiotics which are very important because occasionally I drink a lot of coffee. >> So coffee destroys my gut bacteria. So I take a lot of probiotics. Um the second one is definitely magnesium because I want to have good quality sleep. M >> number three is protein because I need 140 g of protein in a day. No matter how much I eat, I just find it tough. So I need protein but I don't take protein powders. I take those protein that are from collagen. For me collagen is the third one which is not only for my muscle recovery but for my skin and the hair as well. Then the fourth one is definitely called vitality blend >> because I am someone that still very picky when it comes to vegetables. >> Yeah. >> So I don't have enough um vegetables, right? Which is bad. Yeah. >> So, I need to have a lot of chlorophyll. So, I take uh our in-house uh special blend called vitality blend. So, you got all your super greens in there, >> right? And the last thing is a very good quality fish oil. >> Fish oil. >> Yeah. That's all. Five things simple. >> So, I'm very curious. Right. So, all these very good uh supplements and all this. What's the would there be any side effects? Say once the person stop taking then uh immediately you will feel like oh my energy is like like going back to like like like a sun cause you know like like because you are so at peak performance state right then once you stop taking will it end up causing the crash >> crash no but that skin inflammation definitely happens uh hair loss for me I have I've lost a lot of hair if I were to show you you know about four four five years ago how my hair thinning was you shock, right? So I I I was like, "Okay, should I just go and do a hair transplant?" Then I was able to regrow them. Okay, not not not bad. If you look at the 2021 picture, >> so I start at one point I was doing experiment, I stopped for 3 months. >> So I started dropping my hair again, right? So I got freak out. So like, okay, let's continue that. Then the other thing for me was really important was the muscle recovery. >> Yeah. >> So I I could not after workouts if I stopped my collagen, my body will be aching for days. So I I need that fast recovery otherwise it's affecting my job. >> I can't go in to work and hustle because I'm just tired and have inflammation. So >> that's very interesting. But [clears throat] so actually I can I say that actually all those supplements help to give you sustain your pig performance rather than um and when you stop taking them you actually see a huge effect of the huge benefits that they bring you and that's why they decide to keep on >> eating them. >> Yeah. So if you take real good supplements, you will not have that instant crash because after all it's not steroids or true any drugs. Uh but I think it's a good question because some people think that oh the crash is immediate. The crash >> will come slowly then suddenly one day you you realize the decline is like just nose nose dive right >> so that is the dangerous part. It doesn't show you immediately. It takes a few weeks then suddenly bam it goes down. >> Okay. And that's when actually the body is telling you that I want >> you need them. >> I need them. >> Yes. And you were saying that it's very important for us to test what is deficient. So how do you test it? Is it like any clinic that you go in Singapore that actually does all this testing? >> Uh there are some laboratories that that does it. Of course, some clinics and certain hospitals as well. You just say that you want to do a nutrient deficiency test. >> Uh they will take your blood, >> they will take your urine and they will take your stool sample. These are the three things. >> Interesting. >> Uh yeah. So then from there you will know. Don't do the DNA test. They are rubbish. just go and do these three very important uh types you will have a much more clearer and more precise uh reading of your deficiencies. >> May I also know like um I also heard that like actually your company right you are very passionate about health education. Can you share with us a little bit more about what is your idea of health education and why are you so passionate about it? For me the the the journey from where I started and now changed. Yeah. You know the passion 10 years ago and now has been very different. Right. The the >> the first reason why I started was uh because of my father which I didn't understand why would a typical cancer doctor would always suggest to a patient whether you're stage one, stage two, stage three cancer chemotherapy. I mean I understand that's what we were taught in medical school but >> have we even questioned you know the other possibilities >> why does it always have to be one way or the highway uh there for me it was very frustrating right I wanted to challenge that that whole idea >> now of course after that the whole journey the passion shifted again because I realized that there is so much in our daytoday on food that we are eating that we don't even know what are we eating Right? And what is healthy, what is unhealthy, it's no longer a clear line there. >> And then you got people coming up, you know, everyone is just trying to push the agenda and say that, you know, you should eat this, you should buy that. And there's a lot of fear-mongering. I find that this is ridiculous, right? I mean, >> at least to me, right? I I felt that frustration where I imagine myself if today I look back at a situation where my father was struggling >> and people came to and say oh Mark you should give this to your father this is life life-changing >> out of desperation you would >> try >> you know and when I fast forward that today how many people today where you have your loved one or yourself that are going through a health problem a health scare and someone came to you and say oh you should eat this you should buy this supplement or whatever and you have no clue whether does it work. M >> so I find that hey you know what I want to change I want to challenge the whole idea >> and that was how the food education came into the picture right how can something that we do every day for whole life and yet we have very little clue about it that's >> true >> you know it's like investment right everyone talks about investment but do you really understand about investment deep enough or is just at a surface level yeah I think that that's really important and I there's a huge disconnect in terms of our relationship with food right how do we look at food I look at food as a source of productivity activity. >> I don't look at it as that 5 minutes of pleasure. Oh w shop the food is good. I mean of course I enjoy food but for me is that the food that I'm eating today is it going to energize me or is it going to make me tired? >> Interesting. >> Right. Because there are phases in life that there is this window that you need to achieve things. >> True. >> Right. Whether is going through a a marriage you going to get you know newly you're going to set up family. You got a lot of energy in that period. >> Or whether it's having kids >> right? You got to have that that window of energy playing with the kids. Right? If you're building a business, you got that window of that hustle window, >> right? So I look at everyone whether you're employed or none there is always a face in our life that you got to have a lot of energy. >> Yes. >> And as we age, people say, "Oh, age is just a number." I disagree, >> right? Age is not just a number. There are truly things that physically you can't do after certain age anymore. It starts to decline. M >> so for me is that okay if I got this window of next 5 years only to achieve the best thing in my career my business my life I don't want to compromise by eating >> and I miss that window of that 5 to 10 years >> so for me yeah I mean the again right the education is not about okay should you eat more protein more vegetable eat more fruits don't eat so much fried food that is not the education the education is that what is your relationship with food >> wow >> right and again I think I got this frustration. I I'm sure most of you if you're watching this conversation right now >> when you are sick tashoot I'm sure you have before right you go to a typical doctor what do the doctor tell you >> just take what antibiotics whatever >> okay so they tell you the prescription the medication first and second thing uh don't eat fried food don't eat spicy food right >> eat milder food drink more water >> yeah yeah yeah >> hello I don't need to pay a GP to tell me this rubbish right I mean for me is that can you tell me specifically what should I be eating right so I feel that these are the gaps in the market >> and again right that's just one part of the frustration I look at you know so many people in the health space whether you are nutritionist or dietician >> they don't walk the talk >> I mean again how can you be overweight and you tell people that this is what you should be eating to be healthy >> it's like how can you be broke and tell people how do you grow your wealth right hello can you please go and run a few miles lose that wait and then you tell people how to eat right >> you know not giving some BS advice like okay then you tell people okay you should eat salad but behind you're eating nasama you know a lot of people don't show the real thing right >> be real I mean I tell people I don't eat salad >> I don't and I can't fake it you know >> and and for me is that many people are like that because we were raised in an environment of at least for me I was raised eating >> cooked warm food >> I can't be like the angos and eat cold stuff I I find very torturous. Right. So there's so much misconception in the market and when people try to eat healthy, they fail after few days or a week because they are trying to be somebody that they are not. >> Yeah, that's true. >> And we want to challenge that that whole ideology that was pushed. It's just wrong. >> And there's a way that you can be healthy and still enjoying what you are truly what what you like. >> Yes, definitely. Yeah, you got to enjoy the the journey. >> That's true. Wow. And I also heard that like um actually your company was once even given an offer of I think $75 million of acquisition and you just rejected that. >> What makes you want to reject that? Like why not take the money and uh I don't know uh enjoy. [laughter] In my early years, I I always thought that by having a lot of money means I am very successful >> and I was very blessed to have the opportunity to create a very I would say humble stable financial >> achievement. >> Uh but at a certain point in life, you you start asking right by having this additional digit in your bank account, >> how does that change your life? I think that was the thing that I was asking myself, right? How would my life be different? We got that offer. >> I could simply not believe it. I remember me and my partner, we were so excited. I tell you, we were like, "Oh, it's like a dream >> came true." >> Yeah. >> Then we said, "Okay, let's not get too excited yet we enjoy the moment. >> Let's discuss this." The following day, we call it the cool down period. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The next day we woke up, we had a very serious conversation, right? So we we started asking, okay, what are you going to do with this money? >> And you know what was shocking? I don't know. We're not going to buy more houses. We're going to buy more cars. We we had everything, >> right? Buying more luxury watches or what? No, I mean, because we live a very simple life. We don't trace for all these material, right? >> So we like, okay, what we going to do with the money? M >> then we're like okay do we like set up a foundation to make it into a donation fund you know >> but if it was not something that resonate with us then I said why do we do it for the sake of doing it >> so I think that was the first part that for us is like what do we do with this amount of money >> but the second biggest thing uh uh Chloe is after we started the journey of the business of farms Asia on the third year >> I asked her this right now we have crossed our financial mark what is the next I achieve and she said >> one is on the impact [clears throat] >> and the other part that my partner said was she she wanted to experience how it is to build a company from nothing to IPO. M >> so she said would you support me I want to experience that at least once in my life right >> for me it's all about experience in life I mean and I say okay uh we both have the energy right now >> let's do it because I if you ask me that question maybe few hours from now I say forget about it right I just want to be at a beach so we said okay let's do it so I promise I made a promise to her like I I want to make sure that she fulfills that dream of listing a company so when that that second component of the offer when I was thinking I asked myself right if we were to take this deal >> will I pursue on the IPO the answer would be maybe not >> because I will start to be very lazy I will start traveling the world >> and I will lose that fire right that window it took us about a few weeks to really think it through >> uh but that those were the two most important things that you know we ask ourselves But the last thing that really hit me on that night before I we responded back to the legal team and say that thank you, we're going to, you know, not take it was I asked myself this question. >> How much further can I go >> in my entrepreneurship, right? Am I able to build something so big, so impactful that it becomes a brand not just in Singapore but an international brand? So I don't know what was that answer and I say you know what I'm going to try. I give myself these next few years if I could build something amazing. >> I I want to be feeling that sense of uh fulfillment. >> Yeah. >> Right. And to me it's like okay will you support me in that like okay let's do this. >> So those were the three reasons eventually we decided to >> not pursue with that >> whole offer. Right. >> Yeah. Now if I look back do I regret turning it down? Of course when times were tough we say we should have taken that deal you know but now if I again you know look back at it I I'm glad we didn't take that because I believe that we would have missed so much understanding about ourselves myself right on my potential >> uh just like again if I was still in my corporate >> role I would never possibly imagine how much potential I had. Yeah. >> Right. And same thing I mean when you build a business most people want to cross that 1 million. >> After that 1 million how do you cross from 1 to 10 to 30 to 50 50 to 100 right >> and eventually billions. >> Yeah. >> So every stage requires a different level of you. >> Yes. >> Right. From system to people to cash management is a different system that you keep building. >> Yeah. >> So for me it's like playing a game. >> I I want to beat the next boss. Right. and I want to collect the next weapons to upgrade to the next level again. >> I don't regret that because at least now I see how much >> or how far can I go and for me I can definitely bring in more income than that 73 million. >> Yeah. >> Right. Right now if I look at my future the vision but if you ask me that time I definitely could not imagine like could I make that much right but now I see that oh that money is so small. So at the end of the day, it's also about self-awareness because you really enjoy growing as a person like as an entrepreneur and that's why you know that the path that you have taken which is actually you building and scaling your business will actually bring you more fulfillment and more joy than just taking that $73 million and walk away. >> I'm sure you know many of us have different things, right? True. >> But again if you look at it ultimately it's going back to the spiritual level of fulfillment. Spiritual doesn't mean religious but you start questioning like is there life beyond this life? >> Yeah. >> What is next? >> Right. But before that you start asking right what else can you contribute >> you know? So you know for me Chloe I I I I look at it like okay how else can I enjoy my everyday life is tough. >> Yes. >> Right. I mean people see that oh wa Dr. Mark you got all this success but they never see the I'm going through every single day. And the bigger I grow my business, the bigger my headaches I have, right? Because you manage a bigger team, bigger risk, you got board of directors, you got public, >> everything just gets tougher. But this is the price that you have to pay. >> But you have to again enjoy it. But when I say enjoy it, people think that every day I'm smiling, laughing, right? No, I got days I'm so angry, so frustrated. But I don't >> complain about the the the price that I have to pay >> to get there, >> right? But I enjoy it means I look forward to it. >> That that's a huge difference. >> Yeah. I think like what you say a lot of people only see the surface level why people are successful but they don't see how much it takes to become where you guys are today. So >> um it's very good that uh Dr. M actually share this very transparently with you guys so that you can be mentally prepared actually in order to be really the next level in life. what truly takes to in order for you to level up and I personally believe that I think all the challenges whatever things that we face will actually make us a better version of oursel and most importantly is uh you will get to experience a lot more things uh that you will not get to experience if you just stay in your comfort zone. something very I think relevant to your uh audience here >> is that when you look at investment right I enjoy building business so much >> that when I look at what stocks to invest I don't look at it from an angle of making money >> now again making money is important now nobody wants to go and buy a stock that's losing money right >> but you see the the mindset that most people go into investment it's already wrong first thing is that I want to make a lot of money okay fine >> but again right when you want to make money are you putting the time to understand that company that you are buying the stock >> right how much how much work you're putting in to understand again who is the who is running the company what is their business model all of it >> for me this is natural right I mean a good friend of mine Adam >> Coup yeah yeah >> right he always talks about looking at the company don't just buy because someone says hey that stock is good it's going to go up right >> true >> so again that is then all emotional buying so for me I look at wow how do they build a company what is the mode what is the money making that they're doing you know then for me is that okay I'm going to invest in this company because that part where making money is the second part the first part is I really enjoy studying companies >> so for a lot of people right you get burnt because number one you don't find yourself a good mentor >> right find yourself a good mentor that you can trust and I I think you are amazing in what you do right I follow a lot about your work I really like how you present and simplify the complicated matters for people who have never invested before find yourself a good mentor right that's the first Because if you are going to spend your time figuring it all out, it's going to take you time. Time is money. Period. That's it. >> Secondly is that always understand making money is important. But before you make money, what are you passionate about? True. >> When it comes to investment, right? Why why do you want to invest? >> And then the last thing here is that patience. >> Whether it's investing, whether it's anything in life, even if you want to go and caught a girl, >> you can't be first date go out there, you tell hey tonight you come to my house, right? You you can't, right? Everything takes time. >> Yeah. True. So we are living now in a world where people want fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast right everything they want immediate immediate nothing wrong with that but >> again good things sometime takes time >> you just have to be very clear what are you after that's why a lot of people got burned right in the crypto game >> I mean again you don't understand what it is you just jump in because you see a lot of people talk about how much millions they make >> y >> investment is the same you you don't jump in because someone shows you the bling bling thing >> yeah it's really about understanding that subject first, right? Just like what Dr. M is saying, right? He he is so passionate about whatever he's doing right now because he's he is passionate about finding out food, finding out understanding the relationship between us and food. And that's why he is able to firstly not just improve his health but also a lot of people's health around his life. So if you are into investing or whichever subject really go and spend an effort to understand it first then you get to see whether is it something that you really want to pursue more or not. So here comes the final question before we wrap up. >> Okay. >> And um imagine today right you have lived as long as you wanted and you have achieved every single things that you want to achieve in life. Be it you went for IPO you built a very successful business you have a very amazing community. So you have achieved all that and because you have achieved all this right today is also the last day that you will leave on this earth. So you'll be dep departing from here. So unfortunately the moment that you depart every single social media post that you did before have lots of followers few hundred thousand followers all this account will also disappear all those content will also disappear. So what you can do is you can only leave three piece of advice to our audience here and this will stay on earth. So what will that three piece of advice be? I imagine that if this advice is not for the audience although it's for the audience I imagine if this is for my for my children >> right and what will I want to leave my children with never stop pursuing what is important to you even though it may not make sense to the people around you there is no right or wrong because if it's important enough for you you would find the energy. You will move mountains and more importantly you wake up with a sense of purpose pursuing it rather than doing what you are not feeling proud of and you are just going through motion. A lot of people they are not living they are just breathing right don't just breathe you want to live. >> Life is not long neither life is short. A lot of people underestimate what they can achieve in 10 years and they overestimate what they can achieve >> in one year. >> In one year. All right. And and for me, these are the very powerful words that my mentor shared with me, you know, whenever I feel lost, I feel like am I good enough? You know, I'm not getting people around me supporting some of the things that I find that's important to me. Then I realized that it doesn't matter. And apart from that, the last word to top this advice up would be never let someone tell you how to tie the shoelace if they have never worn the shoe that you are wearing. >> You got to tie your own shoelace. You know the shoe that you're wearing. Walk your own path. Stop taking advices from everyone and anyone when you want to do something right because they may not have the right advice and sometimes the advice may turn out damaging. So walk your own path and this will be something that I want to leave >> you. If you have now in a position that you are feeling just unmotivated, you're waking up feeling you're not sure what is next. Just do it. Nobody knows the answer. >> And clarity comes from you doing it first, right? Rather than keep on contemplating and thinking and never take action. The moment you step forward, actually things become so much clearer. And in fact, it can be so much easier than you think. >> You clarity is the key. And do you know how many of my successful owners of you know friends who run big companies, they own amazing businesses. I thought that they will be the ones that can give me the solid advice. >> Many times they could only share me the mistakes that they have done. But the things that I want to pursue, many of them may not have even gone through that path. And I learned that >> they don't even know. M >> so I got to walk that path. Then I realize that ah oh this is working oh this not working and you constantly refine that word clarity right >> it's all about finding that clarity the clearer you are the better it is that you're going to get to the end point >> that's beautiful thank you so much Dr. Mark for all your insights. I can felt that emotions in you when you comes to that last piece three pieces of advice and I think it's all so valuable. I think at the end of the day is really about very interestingly is not none of them is about money right uh but every single thing is way more valuable than the money that you can make because as long as you believe in your own path you work towards it and you really have the drive and determination [music] to achieve it right I think money will just naturally come to you and most importantly as you [music] live the best most fulfilling life that you can ever imagine I think that's the most important thing >> yes >> uh if people want to learn more about and you and your work where can they [music] follow you >> so you can go and check us out every Saturday night at the Maklong Club show where we basically run amazing tests to debunk food my supplements that [music] are fake and also right are food that you're buying truly safe all by [music] science back information. Make sure you guys tune in to watch us at Mlong Club show every Saturday night at 8:00 p.m. [music] Singapore time. >> Wow. out and they can I will make sure to leave all the links inside the show notes and I can't wait to also learn and watch your next episode because I think there are so many fake foods out there that we are eating. The more the sooner we are aware the better we are able to take back better control of our own health as well. >> Absolutely. All right. Thank you. >> So thanks everybody. See you. >> 3 2 1 B. >> [music]