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Tom Bilyeu emphasizes that life consists solely of results you want or those you do not, asserting that failing to achieve a desired outcome is proof one must change their actions immediately. He argues that self-belief and identity are paramount; if an individual does not believe they can accomplish something, they will never create the plan necessary to succeed. Bilyeu illustrates this with his own journey of overcoming massive anxiety and feeling like the "dumbest person in the room" by mastering emotional regulation through a process he calls "self-soothing." He explains that while most people deflect criticism or blame others when things go wrong, successful entrepreneurs must drop their shields to accept feedback as valuable information. By owning mistakes rather than fighting them, one can extract lessons and improve faster, turning negative experiences into opportunities for growth without letting emotions derail progress. Central to Bilyeu's philosophy is the concept of "techne," or practical skills, which he views as more important than audacity alone. He posits that while people fear being audacious because they worry about failure ruining their reputation, true success comes from possessing a set of hard-won skills that allow one to execute tasks regardless of timelines or external judgment. Bilyeu shares his experience with Quest University and the broader workforce at Quest Nutrition, noting that only about 2% of employees initially embraced change due to a lack of growth mindset. To reach the remaining 98%, he utilized entertainment and storytelling—citing *The Matrix* as a pivotal influence—to deliver disruptive information like cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) techniques directly into the limbic system. He recommends specific books such as *Mindset* by Carol Dweck, *The Obstacle Is the Way* by Ryan Holiday, and *Extreme Ownership* by Jocko Willink to help individuals rewire their brains for resilience and continuous improvement. Bilyeu recounts a pivotal moment in his career where he realized that chasing money had become meaningless after eight and a half years of grinding without passion or love for the product. Despite becoming a multi-millionaire on paper, he felt miserable because entrepreneurship was draining him rather than building him up. This led to a cathartic decision to quit his technology company before crossing the finish line so they could build something based entirely on value creation: Quest Nutrition. Driven by personal tragedy regarding obesity in his family and inspired by Mother Teresa's quote about acting for "the one," he shifted focus from profit maximization to solving real problems, even if it meant sacrificing short-term financial gains. He stresses that greatness is not defined solely by achieving a specific result but by playing out sincerely and pursuing goals with total commitment, ensuring that every action moves the individual toward their absolute obsession rather than away from it. The transcript concludes with Bilyeu reinforcing the idea that humans are ultimate adaptation machines wired to grow under pressure, much like how tearing muscle fibers is necessary for building strength. He encourages listeners to stop victimizing themselves and instead own 100% of their reality, understanding that every outcome—good or bad—is a result of choices made based on one's beliefs. By adopting the belief system that "everything in your life will change" once you take full responsibility, individuals can unlock their potential regardless of hardwired traits, which Bilyeu estimates account for only 50% of who we are while leaving 50% malleable through practice and mindset shifts. Ultimately, he urges entrepreneurs to focus on acquiring skills that have material impact, maintain clarity on goals, and ensure they never do anything that diminishes their self-esteem or moves them away from what truly matters in the world.
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Life is one of two things, the result
you wanted or the result you didn't
want. If you don't get the result you
want, you are by definition doing the
wrong thing and you must change.
I think your belief about yourself and
what you're capable of influences your
accomplishments more than you can
imagine.
I'm in the skill acquisition game.
Skills let you do things. I'm in the
game of doing the things that my skills
allow me to do.
Go get extraordinary. Like don't worry
about whether the system is broken or
not. We built Quest, a billion-dollar
company in less than five years coming
out of the Great Recession.
You're the average of the five people
you spend the most time with. That's
just true. And but now it's become so
common to say and it's like every
Instagram post that I fear it's going to
lose its meaning. Who are you spending
time with? Because if you're spending
time with people like you, you're
spending time with people like me, I'm
I'm raising you up or I'm just not going
to spend time with you. So it's like now
if you get in a mix of people like that
who are like, "Man, we'd love for you to
raise up to this level." But if you
don't, it's fine. We're We're just not
going to spend time with you. All of a
sudden that desire to belong to
something powerful that you can see is
going to lead you to your dreams. And I
remember saying to my wife over and over
and over, "They are the surest path to
my success. I don't know anything else.
I just know if I can hang on to these
guys, they're going to make me better."
And so that was through all the years of
being embarrassed and developing
actually massive anxiety because I was
always behind. I was always the dumbest
person on the phone. I I always the
dumbest person in the room. And it was
like was I going to be willing to
emotionally go through that to get
great? And most people can't. So, here's
the thing. Now, imagine I'm not the only
person they said, "Hey, this is a
startup. You can have any job you want."
They I I saw
12 people, maybe more, come and go over
the years. They just couldn't
emotionally deal with it. And so, I
remember thinking to myself, "Why is it
that I'm able to do this?" And the
answer was I could self-soothe faster
than anyone else. So, I would get kicked
in the face and I would do something
really dumb. I'd be called an idiot,
told how stupid I was. And then I just
be like, "All right, I need to
recenter." And that just became my
obsession. I need to be able to
emotionally get back to complete neutral
so fast that you don't even see it
register on my face.
do it? How do you do that?
Literally practicing. So, remember the
same time I'm reading about the brain
voraciously, I'm reading about people
that understand human behavior. I'm
getting into cognitive science,
neuroscience, like really going into it.
So, I'm reading all this stuff going,
"Whoa, we're just a chemical processing
plant. There are physiological hooks
into these chemicals." So, hey, if
you're mad, scared, whatever, but you
force yourself to laugh out loud, you
will change your neurochemical state.
And you literally, your experience is
the neurochemistry. So, I was like,
"Whoa, so I could get I could be in a
situation where I'm being berated or or
I legitimately mess up and it costs
money and it's like, "Whoa, that's on me
and it is nobody's bad but my own." And
I realized that what most people do,
their strategy is to deflect it. It's
your fault, it's not my fault.
Yes.
So, I started thinking of this as a
metaphor. People are throwing gold at
me. They're throwing it really hard and
I can put a shield up and deflect it,
but then I lose that piece of gold. If I
drop my shield and just take the pain,
let it hit me in the head, then I bend
down and go, "This thing, which was me
being stupid, there's a lesson here."
And now I have this piece of gold. But
the whole thing is I have to be
defenseless. So, I have to own it, I
have to take it, I can't fight. If
someone is like, this to this day, if
our team is like, "Hey, there's
something we need to point out to you."
I'll do this.
Wow.
I square up to it. I want them to know
like, "Hey, I want to hear it. I want to
know." Like, I want to be literally
physically open. I'm not going to close
down. I'm going to do everything I can
to square off, to open myself so that
they know I'm receptive to the
criticism, right? Because that's the
nugget of gold. What I know is it's
going to hurt. It's going to sting.
Yep.
But if I can emotionally recenter so
fast you don't even see that I went
through something, now I can just
process, how do I take this information
you've given me and get better?
Everything in my life is driven by how
something makes me feel.
And I really believe all you have in
this world is how you feel about
yourself when you're by yourself. So, in
that dark, quiet night, when you're all
alone, do you feel good or not?
And so, I steer by that. And when I
start losing sleep because something is
stressing me out or I think I handled
something poorly, I have to correct
that.
And what are the tactics?
So, part of this is you have a belief
system through which everything is
filtered. So, my thing is, okay, belief
system, I can get good at anything I set
my mind to. Uh belief system number two,
having a growth mindset is the absolute
ideal. So, that means that just because
I'm not good at something now doesn't
mean I can't become good at it, that I
should only value myself for being a
learner, I shouldn't worry about being
smart, right, good, talented, nothing,
just the willingness to stare nakedly at
my inadequacies. So, if I've done
something and it's making me feel badly
about myself, I start running through
those filters. Also, does this beating
myself up, is it moving me towards my
goal or away from it? Now, a little bit
of beating yourself up actually probably
does move you towards your goal because
it kicks you in the ass, it gets you
moving, taking it seriously, you're
really thinking about it. But then too
much of it begins to erode yourself. And
so, I have to balance like, am I just
beating myself up and now I've taken it
too far and I'm losing sleep over
something I just need to let go and
focus on getting better instead of
punishing myself? Like, just get better
at it. Um so, those those are the
tactics that I use. yet is a huge tactic
for me. Tom, you suck. Oh, I'm not good
at that yet. Okay, cool. Thank you, got
it. Um I can get good at that. Um and
and just keep coming back to those very
simple basic building blocks of my
belief system, what I value, where my
priorities lie, what my goal is, having
total clarity, am I actually moving
towards it? And then just really holding
yourself accountable to that without
damaging your self-esteem.
One of my like guiding principles is
never do anything that diminishes you,
and then never do anything that moves
you away from your goal. So, again,
goal, you have to have that clarity, so
I know what I'm trying to do, okay?
Well, if I know what I'm trying to do,
does beating me beating myself up over
this, is that going to help me or hurt
me? Oh, it's going to hurt me because
I'm going to be more likely to slide
toward depression, to think less of
myself, to be less bold, to take less
action. Okay, well, then we're not going
to do that. And I don't think people
have researched cognitive behavioral
therapy nearly enough. Pattern
interrupting is like everything. Get
better at pattern interrupting than
LeBron is at shooting. Like, you just
have to be a ninja. Like, you've got to
be so hardcore, you've got to know about
how to do that with yourself. So, if I
have a negative thought that's
recurring, I just tell myself, nope, you
can't think this anymore. So, and every
time it will come up because I can't
stop myself from it popping up into my
conscious mind, but you absolutely can
control how the next thought goes. The
next thought can be, oh, I'm
Here's what I'll do with a negative
thought. That's so rad. I'm so glad this
negative thought appeared in my mind
because that reminds me to be grateful
for the fact that I'm friends with Jay
Shetty, or that reminds me to be
grateful for the fact I have a marriage
that is so insanely cool that like I
legitimately some days have to stop
myself from just curling up in a ball
with her and just chilling all [ __ ]
day. Like, that is I'm super stoked.
Even now, Jay, it's so funny, I had to
stop and think, wait, I'm going through
this list of things that I'm grateful
for, what started this? And I'm like,
oh, yeah, the negative thought. Like,
that actually just happened to me right
now. So, you can imagine in real life
when like you train yourself, ah, every
time the negative thought kicks up,
don't don't sit in the emotion of the
negativity that it will bring, instead
use it it a habit loop trigger to think
about something you're grateful for. And
at first, it feels so awkward and it's
like the negative thought just keeps
coming back. But if you're diligent and
suddenly negative thoughts become a
habit loop trigger to gratitude, to
positivity, to repeating your rules
about I don't allow myself to think
things that tear me down, so I'm not
going to think about that. Even just
saying that crowds out that thought and
telling other people that hey, this is
what you're doing. It is unbelievable.
But this is why I'm saying I'm literally
just a patchwork of all these like tools
and techniques that allow me to protect
myself from negative self-talk, from
anxiety, from depression. I don't think
I've ever officially been in depression,
but I've been super [ __ ] close enough
to know the feeling of staring into the
void, which I don't think is accurate.
It feels like the void is collapsing in
around you and just everything is
meaningless and it is all utterly
hopeless. And I've had just enough of a
glimpse of how hopeless that is to to
get where people are in those moments.
But anxiety, that I've been in the thick
of. So, that one I know and I've used
CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, to do
interrupts on that. I have a very
well-developed negative voice, so I have
had to
use tools and techniques to stop that. I
never would have become a successful
entrepreneur if I couldn't learn to
self-soothe. And at one point, that was
what I would have said was my secret
power. That my secret power in business
was I can self-soothe faster than
anybody else.
I just keep coming back to being the
learner, right? So, your identity isn't
group A, politic this, politic that,
tribe this, tribe that. It is I'm a
learner first and foremost. I'm somebody
that wants to bring value to myself and
to the world first and foremost. So,
it's like once you get to that, then as
people are assaulting you,
chances of them triggering a self-esteem
like in like if somebody wanted to hurt
my self-esteem, they would need to call
me out on on are you really spending
time learning or have you really
improved? I think you're the same that
you were 2 years ago. Like, woah. Like
if I really, like you said, felt that
that might be true, then I would really,
that would call some [ __ ] into question
for me. Because that's my identity.
Right. If somebody came to you and said,
"Actually, you're not a learner."
For me, where my belief is now, that's
so absurdist that I would brush it off.
But if they were able to like compel me
to see it, the funny thing is being a
learner then kicks in again, and I'm
like, "Shit, if they're really right,
then here's my chance to finally
actually be a learner." But so that's
why I think that one's antifragile. But
that's where it's like you can get
yourself into trouble if they're hitting
on the very thing that your identity and
self-esteem are tied to.
Recognizing that brain plasticity is
real, and so much of who we are, let's
say it's roughly, science says it's
roughly 50%. This is not me making it
up. That 50% is hardwired, and you're
not going to be able to do anything
about it. But 50% is insanely malleable.
And um I love this quote, so great, that
you can't make a racehorse out of a pig,
but you can make a really fast pig.
And I thought, "Okay, cool. So maybe
I'll never be a racehorse, but I can be
a really fast pig." And so whenever I'm
feeling badly about myself or something
knocks me off center, I just come back
to that idea of
what's useful. How do you move forward?
Like even if you're not going to be the
greatest of all time, does it benefit
you to act as if you could become the
greatest of all time if you pour
yourself into it? And so I don't know
that I'll ever end up being the greatest
anything, but dude, acting like I can,
and like really practicing and moving
through the world like I can become the
greatest, has propelled me forward.
Yeah, because acting like you can't
won't get you there. Yeah. Won't make
you good probably or great. If you're
constantly obsessing over why I'm not
good enough or why I'll never become
great.
So acting like you can at least gives
you a much better chance of getting
somewhere than nowhere.
100%. It's what I call the only belief
that matters.
The only belief that matters is that
if I put time and energy into getting a
new skill, I actually will get better at
that thing. And if you then extrapolate
that and say, "And skills actually have
utility. They matter." So, knowing how
to build a business that doesn't fall or
build a business build a building that
doesn't fall down is very, very useful.
Or build a business that doesn't fall
apart.
that too, right? So, those skills
actually let you do things. And so,
that's become sort of my obsession is
getting people to understand you don't
read a book to check a box. You don't go
to school to impress your parents. You
do it because the skill that you will
acquire lets you do something in the
world that other people can't do or you
wouldn't be able to do and that has a
material impact on your life.
Yeah, I feel like you and I are very
similar in the fact that we talk about
skills a lot and acquiring new skills.
And I think when you have a down phase
or a breakdown phase, that's when you
should think about what are the skills
I'm lacking that could benefit me so
this doesn't happen again.
Everybody leaning in if you're listening
to this. This is one of those things
that
audacity is is nothing. Don't don't
worry about being audacious. The reason
people fear being audacious is they
don't want to be me 10 years from now
when this all fails, right? They're
thinking, "Oh man, what if this doesn't
work? This guy's going to look like an
asshole." And it's like, "Yeah, maybe
other people will think that I'm a total
dumbass." It doesn't matter. And why
doesn't it matter? Because of techne.
Because if I know how to build a house,
I can build a house. So, my thing is I'm
not trying to posture or be cool. I'm
telling you I have a set of [ __ ]
skills. That set of skills lets me do
things. I'm just interested in doing
those things. So, whether or not I hit
my timelines does not matter. I'm in the
skill acquisition game. Skills let you
do things. I'm in the game of doing the
things that my skills allow me to do.
So, I want to impact people's lives.
Maybe I'm not able to pull it off at a
film level. Oh, I'll find another way.
Or maybe it takes me a lot longer to
pull it off. Okay, fine. As long as I
love what I'm doing even when I'm
failing, there's nothing to lose.
No, because you know, on this idea of
techne, along the way you are fulfilled
with every step on the journey, right?
Every time you upload a new, you know,
conversation, new episode of your show,
it's a it's a it's a cool feeling to be
able to put that out there and know that
it is, quote unquote, you know,
impacting people. And it is. It is.
And that's the thing, you know this.
Like you you say something into a
microphone. Like right now, the the
feeling that I have, while I know people
are listening, the feeling I have is
it's just us in this room.
But one day somebody's going to come up
to you or me and say, "I heard that
podcast you guys did and it really
touched me and it changed me in this
way." That's all I need. So, I'm not I'm
not afraid to be audacious cuz I know
that you're never going to exceed what
you're aiming at. So, your only your
hope is to hit some percentage of what
you're aiming at. So, I might as well
dream massive. And one, it excites me.
And then two, I'm not afraid of the
failure. So, once you have that like,
"Oh, it's exciting for me to dream big
and I'm hyper conscious of you break it
down in small pieces. Like I'm not I'm
not worried about building theme parks
and all that stuff right now. What I'm
doing right now today is make a good
comic. Put out a good interview show.
That's it. That's what my life consists
of. Stay in business. Be profitable.
Like those are the things that I think
about. So, I keep my, you know, my
goals, my immediate term goals very
manageable, but I make sure that they're
feeding naturally into the grand vision.
But I don't get scared or lost in
thinking, "Oh my god, I have to do all
that." Nope. Right now today, I need to
read a script. I need to make sure it's
okay. I need to authorize it to be
drawn. That's it. That's today. And as
long as you're able to focus on that and
get good at that and then just always
push yourself to make your skill set
better and better and better. As long as
it's leading towards that thing and you
have clarity on where you're trying to
go, so that you make sure the skills
you're acquiring will actually lead you
there, you'll be fine.
I love the mindset stuff. I love it.
And it's changed my life. And I love
watching somebody's eyes light up when
they get it for the first time.
And so I created Impact Theory
University
and it is the book but in lecture form.
Yeah.
And so I've already created that stuff.
Now I know that I would open up a much
bigger market if I were to make the book
so that those people could go, "Oh my
god, this stuff is life-changing." And
then I say, "You like the book? You'll
love Impact Theory University. Sign up
today." And it would
quintuple our business overnight. I can
pretty much guarantee it.
When you say no to something that comes
with a lot of zeros, you do so because
of your value system. And what I value
when I think about Tom Bilyeu on his
deathbed, if I may speak in the third
person,
I think to myself on my deathbed, I
don't regret not writing the book but I
regret tremendously not telling stories.
Because I think
if I want to impact 100% of the world,
2% of them can be impacted with what
we're doing right now. Where you say,
"Think like this. Act like this. It will
make your life better." And 2% will do
it. It's amazing. Now I don't mean 2% of
your audience. Your audience is the 2%.
They have selected themselves out. They
watch your show. So now some ungodly
number of them are going to go out and
do it because they belong to that very
rare group. The 98% though, they will
not.
And the I became obsessed with this
because working at Quest, I had 3,000
employees. A thousand of them grew up in
the inner cities and many of them could
process raw data faster than I could.
They were smarter than me but they did
nothing with their life. They were not
going to do anything with their life.
Not that would be remembered or anything
that even they valued. And when I boiled
down to why not, it came down to they
didn't have a growth mindset. They
didn't have the only belief that
matters. So I thought, "Okay, well how
do I get it to them?" So I we created
Quest University and I would show up
early. I would stay late. I would tell
anybody anything they wanted to know
about mindset, building a business,
whatever. And 2% of them did it and it
was life-changing and it's amazing. And
I still get phone calls for people who
are like, "You you changed my life." And
it's amazing.
But it's only 2%.
The other 98% are either apathetic or
actively antagonistic to change. So, how
do you reach them?
Entertainment.
The punchline is you have to get to the
limbic system, which you do through
entertainment. So, you tell them
stories.
TV, movies, yeah.
I really believe that the way that
humans assimilate truly disruptive
information is through narrative. And
so, part of the way that I've changed my
life, that I've opened my mind to things
like a growth mindset, is through, like
The Matrix. It's not a mistake that The
Matrix came out uh the year that I was
going through this like, am I able to
improve myself or not? The movie comes
out, ends up becoming the dominant
metaphor of my life. I'd love to say
that it was a lightning rod moment when
I saw it, my life has changed forever.
Wasn't like that, but it planted a seed
that I just kept coming back to. Oh man,
it's like Neo in The Matrix. Oh man. And
you just start piecing together like
these fascinating belief systems because
a lot of times the wisest characters in
films are often taken from, like Yoda
sounds exactly like Laozi from the
Daodejing. So, it's like basically
you've got George Lucas who's very
familiar with Eastern philosophy talking
Eastern philosophy through this little
puppet, but
especially if you hear it when you're
young, man, like your mind is really
open to it. So, because of Star Wars, I
ended up becoming obsessed with the
Daodejing.
And then because of that, that
ultimately was my doorway to a growth
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If there only three books you could
recommend to people that this all the
books they could read in their life.
This is the hardest thing probably but
if you were like three books to live a
better life to understand the world and
to just thrive. What would you say are
those three books?
It's not a hard question but it's one
that I'm sure I will answer differently
every time somebody asks.
Number one is mindset by Carol Dweck.
It's great.
It's the most important book in the
English language.
Number two is The Obstacle Is the Way by
Ryan Holiday which is an absolutely
extraordinary book and then number three
is Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink.
He's great.
And Leif Babin, shout out to Leif. The
first is read the book Mindset by Carol
Dweck, period. It's it's so critical man
and it just lays the foundation for how
to think. Um that that's step number
one. Step number two is you will only
ever get in your life what you
absolutely must have. Your absolute
obsession. Is it you that says your
obsessions become your possessions? That
is so true and so getting people to
understand that that level of like I
must have this until it is that like
whatever it is, if it's taking care of
your wife, if it's doing something rad
for your mom, if it's having a beach
house, whatever it is, until it you need
that like you need oxygen, you won't get
it. It It is going to demand so much of
you. You're going to fall so many times.
There's going to be so many obstacles.
And unless it must happen in your life,
one of them will make you stop.
Like you said, you can't be for sale.
Like if your will can be bought,
it doesn't make you a bad person, man.
It really doesn't. But if your will can
be bought, you're just not going to get
it.
It's all your fault.
Everything. Every bad thing that has
ever happened to you is your fault.
And if tonight a meteorite comes
screaming through the atmosphere,
crashes into my bedroom, and kills my
wife, I will know that that is my fault.
Now, I use the word fault to shake
people up.
I know that it's making you mad right
now. I know that it winds you up, and
you think that I'm victim shaming. And
when you get beyond that, and you
realize all I'm trying to do is remind
you that you were never ever ever
ever a victim unless you choose to be,
everything in your life will change.
You're always in control, even if that's
a lie. And I don't care if it is. Even
if a meteorite coming in and killing my
wife couldn't possibly be my fault, I'm
going to own it. Because the second I
give away my power to somebody else, I'm
now at something else's mercy. And there
is some line that I can't cross, that
I'm no longer in control, and I refuse
to do that. Um if I could give anybody a
gift, it would be that, for you to own
that completely, top to bottom, and to
know that every good thing that's ever
happened in your life, how much it
seemed like luck or coincidence, that
was you. You earned that. You put
yourself in that position. And as you
move forward, life is one of two things,
the result you wanted or the result you
didn't want. If you don't get the result
you want, you are by definition doing
the wrong thing, and you must change. If
you get the result that you want, then
you did the right thing. Simple as, no
gray, nothing in between. That's it.
It's all your fault. And that's the best
news possible. But I don't think that
thinking something or saying something
makes it true, but I think that thinking
something and saying something makes you
believe it. And the things you believe
you will unintentionally guide yourself
towards.
I think your belief about yourself and
what you're capable of influences your
accomplishments more than you can
imagine. Just because you don't put in
the extra mile of effort or whatever
that it was going to take cuz you don't
believe that you can. Or you don't even
allow yourself to dream it. If you don't
dream it, you're never going to come up
with a plan. So, it is wildly
influential in terms of what happens.
Just not in a mystical way, in a very
like tactical, you just end up either
doing or not doing the things you
should.
To me, greatness is leaving it all out
on the field. Like, you can't guarantee
results, but you can guarantee, like,
did you really play to win?
Mhm.
And this is something that
I am heartbroken for other people if
they're not playing to win.
And the only reason to not play to win
is if you don't think you can win and
you value yourself for winning. So, my
thing is, maybe I can't win. I think the
odds are actually against me building
the next Disney.
But
it's such a fun game to play because I
only value myself for the sincere
pursuit.
So, greatness to me is not about
achieving something. It's about playing
all out, sincerely pursuing it.
So, I'm chasing money for 8 and 1/2
years. My mantra is I want to get rich.
That's it. There's no
Father-in-law wants you rich. You
promised you're going to be rich. You
always wanted to be rich when you were
young.
100%. And so, and that didn't That
wasn't a dirty word for me. I didn't
understand people who were conflicted
about money. I was like, it's powerful.
So, I want to get rich and and I just
made it all about that. And so, for 6
and 1/2 of those years, I didn't take
days off. Even when we would go to
London for Christmas, I had like
a video camera that would allow Well,
this is actually slightly in the future,
but a great example. I would take a
video camera that would let me watch the
production line at Quest. So, like, that
kind of obsessive, like, I'm all in.
Back in the technology company same kind
of thing but I would either be working
on the tech company or trying to start
other companies at night. So we talk a
lot about we had like five or six
companies fail all side hustles.
Yeah.
But it was like we just kept trying to
learn and figure this out.
And so growing in that becoming better
understanding marketing helping elevate
the company really rising up to a peer
status watching other people fall away
cuz they couldn't emotionally hang in
the environment and yeah then they made
me the I didn't ask for a raise for five
years. I was like I want to be I want to
be so valuable that they feel gross for
what they're paying me.
Yeah.
And so because I wanted the equity I
didn't want the I didn't want the
salary.
So I was like dude I'm in this for the
equity you don't have to worry about me
equity equity equity. I just kept it on
their mind like hey you said that was a
possibility I want you to know that
means everything to me and that's why
I'm here. And so hit the six and a half
year mark I'm 10% owner in the company
and I'm completely miserable. And I've
burned out and I realized that
entrepreneurship had given given given
it was making me stronger bigger faster
and now it was beginning to take away
because I didn't care about the product
I didn't love what we were doing I
wasn't passionate I was just chasing
money and money just wasn't that
interesting. I at that point on paper we
both know the difference between paper
money and real money.
Right.
But on paper I was a multi-millionaire.
And I went in and I said guys here's
your equity back I I'm quitting
um I'm not crossing the finish line so I
don't think I should get anything for
this and it actually ended up being like
a really cathartic moment where
we could all say what we'd been feeling
which is yeah none of us are happy.
Mhm.
And so it became well if we're going to
keep doing this if we're going to keep
building businesses because by then it
was very clear to me the struggle is
guaranteed the success is not.
Mhm.
And so I'm going to go do something I
love and they agreed they felt the same
so we said okay well what would we build
that we would love even if we were
failing. And so for three very different
reasons that became a nutrition company
and for me it was I grew up in a
morbidly obese family my uncle
essentially ate himself to death when I
was 12 years old and it was scary and
sad. My mom is morbidly obese, has been
my entire life. My sister's morbidly
obese, has been almost her entire life.
Um my dad at one point was morbidly
obese, and then lost weight, but it was
like, that's just where my family lives.
Yeah.
And so, I was like, they're going to die
far sooner than they need to, and
there's this great Mother Teresa quote,
"Nobody will act for the many, but
people will act for the one." And so, I
just needed to wake up every day and
think about my mom and my sister, and
that was it. And I thought, I can show
up every day and fight for them. It's
not about the money anymore. I can fight
for them.
Mhm.
And look, we a lot of business acumen
went into this. This was not just We had
good intentions, and it built a big
business. It was we understood business,
right? I'd now been in business for
eight and a half years grinding it out
building this technology company, which
was hard as hell.
Yeah.
And but now we were able to marry that,
and by the way, we took the tech company
through the recession and everything.
So, I mean, it was like, I'd taken some
knocks. So, we really understood
business at this point. And so, now we
were going to start something predicated
entirely on value creation. That was
like our mantra. Doesn't matter what's
more profitable. It matters what adds
more value.
Mhm.
And so, we literally were saying these
things. And we also We didn't actually
throw our hands in a pile. I wish we
had. It'd be a cooler story. But like,
all but that said, and each of us needs
to have fun every day.
What makes you happy?
The The easy answer and and the most
truthful answer is time with my wife.
The other answer to what makes me happy,
there's really two things. So, time with
my wife, and then the pursuit, which
I'll put in all caps, right? So, the
pursuit of whatever. The pursuit of
getting better, the pursuit of impacting
the world, the pursuit of building
something big that that matters.
The pursuit. Maybe I never get it. I
don't care about that. I care about the
pursuit. I care about whether sincerely
I'm actually trying to make it happen.
Not bullshitting, not just like empty
dreams, but like for real, I'm actually
giving myself over to this. And I spent
a lot of time in the inner cities. I big
brothered for this one kid for eight and
a half years, completely changed my
life. And then having 1,400 employees
and about a thousand of which grew up
hard in the inner cities. Hard, I mean,
most of them grew up in Compton. I mean,
it was just some of the most
extraordinary stories I've ever heard.
And I realized that those people are as
extraordinary as anybody, Barack Obama,
Oprah Winfrey,
Tony Robbins, like they
all those same raw materials exist in
people in the inner cities that nobody
believes and nobody think will ever go
anywhere. And they won't because they
don't believe in themselves. And so we
were talking at our most honest, like
what what are we really driven by? And
I'm driven by that moment of awakening,
which I had in my own life where I
finally realized, wait, I can learn new
things. So just because I'm not good
today doesn't mean I can't be good
tomorrow. And and that filled me with so
much excitement. I want to see that in
other people and I want to see what the
world looks like when other people
realize, wait a second, that Steve Jobs
quote that the world is made by people
no smarter than you is actually true.
And so if you're believing that these
people are smarter than you because you
did bad on your SATs, I'm just going to
tell you right now, stop. So you can
develop yourself. So my obsession became
that humans are the ultimate adaptation
machine. We are literally wired from the
ground up
in order to grow and improve under
stress and pressure. So it's like what's
the phrase, pressure can burst pipes but
it also creates diamonds. So it's like
you need the pressure. And yes, it can
hurt but it can also make something
amazing if you're willing to put
yourself in that situation. So it's a
weird twist of fate that humans
in order to build the muscle you first
have to tear it, right? So but once you
accept that that's how it works, you can
do extraordinary things.
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