"This Was A Bad Idea" – Andrew Callaghan’s WILD Coverage Of BLM Riots, COVID Protests & Border Chaos

It's funny. In the moment, I wasn't nervous, but watching this now, I'm nervous because I realized this is like a bad idea. Worldwide. Did you ever have a moment where you were actually scared? Where was that? Well, what's the scariest one? I mean, personally, probably getting arrested by Border Patrol. So, you didn't pay the 5,000 to the coyote, but you paid the 10,000 to the government. I probably should pay the coyotes back. I'm thinking, "Holy [ __ ] they stole this car." And then I look around. I look in the uh the the rearview mirror and there's a cops trailing us. That was a classic example of just me taking it too far in the field with the documentaries. Even when you put this up, cops never got a hold of you. No, they might after this podcast though. I'm more scared of Scientology than any other subgroup in the world. Really? Do you have any interest? I have some friends I can introduce you. I have an extreme interest in Scientology, but I also have an interest in being alive. You ever seen this? Is it a breakdown of it? Oh, dude. I love the fact that you're seeing this for the first time. Let's make a Channel 5 video. I would do it. Oh, I would love to see it. A lot of people would be upset with that. Channel 55 is the best number. Did you ever think you would make it? I feel so I could taste sweet victory know what's your point. The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed right here. You are one of my I'm the one. [Music] How you doing? I'm good. Thanks for having me. It's great to be back in the the country's greatest state. Great estate. I think so. Really? Florida. And you're saying is living in LA? Yeah. I've only lived in LA for a year and a half, but I think I might have a Flidian future. You do? You You may have it. I like it. I like Kiscane. I like Orlando, Tallahassee, Jacksonville. But not South. Uh, it's okay. I like Fort Lauderdale. Miami is a little bit overwhelming. Yeah, for me, too. I don't know if I could do I could do uh Miami, but the right place is Fort Lauderdale in my opinion because if you want to go to Miami to do something, you're 45 minutes away. You want to go to Palm Beach 45 minutes away. Orlando 3, you can have lifestyle here, water, all the good stuff that comes with it. But, uh, that's interesting. We'll talk about the LA stuff, but let me tell you how I feel about you, okay? And it's very important because I have a 13-year-old son, okay, Patrick, who has your personality, okay? and he is uh extremely curious. He he loves politics for whatever reason. He's a jiu-jitsu guy. And I think you're one of the most important voices for the younger audience. And here's why. Because I think you're going through a journey which you kind of, you know, you have your own opinions and they're strong, but also you're developing it as you're going through the process by actually going to the place instead of seeing what the news is telling us. You're like, "Nah, I want to go see what you guys are doing." And you've been to what? You've been to Miami Beach during co definitely Oblock Chicago, Philly Street, the Ken Kensington, the whole fentinel place that you went to. San Francisco, George Floyd protest me, Minneapolis, Chaz, which became this uh special thing during COVID and you know in Seattle. You swam across the Rio Grande. Phenomenal. Very impressive. Yeah. Bad choice. Antivaccine protest. You went to Israel and Tel Aviv for the protest. [ __ ] fighting in Mexico, Connecticut. Kia, you you were in the car with the Kia boys. Yes. While they're stealing, you have a mask on. You're going with them. Yeah. I mean, some crazy stuff you've done. And it's it's one of those shows that if you watch one episode, guys, you could get stuck watching two hours worth of content. You do such a good job and you don't put your opinion in it. You just ask, "What do you think? What do you think? How do you feel about this?" I just want to say great job on what you done with Channel 5. I think prior to that it was what? All gas no brakes, right? And I have some some good news. I'm actually reacquiring All Gas No Brakes as Yeah. We used a quarter of the proceed from our new film, Dear Kelly, to make the acquisition of our our first child, All Gas. So, I'm going to make that announcement probably in the coming days, but I'm going to be in control of both Channel 5 and All Gas in the entire catalog. I love that. So, you know, for for the audience that maybe doesn't know backstory, how did you say, "I'm going to go out there and do this. How did this happen?" Well, I had a really great teacher back in the day. I had a journalism course in high school. I had a teacher named Cal Shaw. Calvin Shaw and he just inspired me to, you know, pursue journalism as a career path. For me, the coolest thing about being a journalist is you get to be on the in the front row seats for all the things that you want to witness in the world, whether it be a political event, you get to dive into a subculture because everybody wants coverage, everybody wants to be heard. And if you can be a medium for them to get their message out there, um you can go wherever you'd like. Yeah. In today's marketplace, as a citizen journalist, it's almost you have more credibility than the actual journalist that's sitting in front of the camera speaking. You're like, "No, I'm going to the street. I'm going to go see what's exactly going on versus what's you what you're seeing it out there." And I think that's that's been a game changer, right, for a lot of people that have been doing this. Was there anybody else that was an inspiration for you? Cuz are you a 97 baby? Yeah, I was born in 1997, four years before 911, right when the internet first came around, the first iPod. So who who was that person like 97? YouTube starts in ' 03 04. So when did you start consuming YouTube content? Oh man, YouTube content. Well, I probably as soon as I got on the internet, but I came on online during like the chocolate reign, Charlie bit my finger, 4chan era. So the online subcultures were still being formed. But as far as like the first citizen journalists that I was into, I was mostly into comedians at first like Sasha Baron Cohen. Um even early stuff like KMG was really good. There was a really fringe show called Shams Dearon or Brushstrokes with Norman Vanami that was like a graffiti adjacent interview show where this guy would go to art shows dressed as like a breakdancer and kind of like uh pretend to be a high art customer. Yeah. You know, high-end art customer and some of that stuff was just hilarious to me. I didn't put the journalism pieces together until I went to college for it and I had that professor. Interesting. Well, I mean Sasha Baron Cohen to me is is dude what he did with uh what was that HBO? Was it HB or Max where he goes to uh couple rallies? He has this guy teaching him. He's an Israeli. He's going to train him how to fight off gay men. Do you know which one I'm talking about? Absolutely. Some of the stuff the guy did that he was able to convince. He sits there. He says, "Uh, so you know, you know the what was it? The Alley G one. You know, that's my favorite one." When he says, "So, I want to talk to you about uh you know, youth in Asia." He says, "Yes. Have you seen this one?" Where he says, "Uh, yeah. What about He says, "Why is it always uh the youth in Asia?" He says, "No, it's about youth in Asia." Says, "But I know, but why is it not other people? Why is the target only youth in Asia?" This guy is freaking hilarious what he does. My favorite part of that show is what he he goes to a city council meeting meeting in Kingman, Arizona, which is a very hardcore like biker town, and he proposes the construction of the largest mosque in North America. And they're like screaming. They're like, "We don't want any [ __ ] terrorists here." That to me was like the fact that he was able to keep a straight face during that character performance. Got to love it. Okay, so uh you know for you with the places that you visit, we got a lot of stuff that's going on right now that uh you know it's kind of timely with Luigi Manion, you know, the protest for that and you know Tesla, Elon and you know United there's a bunch of stuff that's going on but let's start off with something very important that you and I were talking about. I think it's probably the most important issue that most people are not aware of and that is your favorite movie. Your favorite movie of all time is The Dark Knight, the second film in the Christopher Nolan Batman series. And and why is it the second one? Well, everyone expects me to say that I'm into like really cutting edge documentaries like by Adam Curtis, Errol Morris and stuff like that, but I actually just love Batman. And uh I loved it so much when it first came out in 2012. I saw it five times in a row in Ocean City, New Jersey. Every matinea for a week straight just trying to um really digest all the different subplots and and narratives. Which character though? Like I mean there's the Joker, there's Commissioner Gordon, there's Chris Christian Bale's Batman character was amazing. There's just so much. Batman Begins was a great, you know, segue to The Dark Knight. Dark Knight Rises didn't really do it for me. A little bit too political, but I like political for you. Well, you know, Dark Knight Rises was like a metaphor for the Occupy Wall Street movement going too far when they start, you know, when Ba Bane is supposed to be like the commander of Antifa and they roll up in the New York Stock Exchange and start shooting people and stuff. Too divisive. Well, it was literally like I feel like it was subsidized in some way by Wall Street. Yeah. So, so but character-wise, like who do you relate? Because for me, for the longest time, my podcast set had three characters behind me. Batman, Joker, and The Incredible Hulk. And it's like the three personalities I relate to, right? But which one was it where you said, "I kind of feel like I'm I'm this guy in this movie." Well, this is a hard one to answer because if I say I'm like the Joker, that makes me sound like I'm a dark sort of sinister. Uh, but I I have a Joker sight to me as well. You have a lot of vengeance in you where you get Joker brand. It's It's not though. It's it's when you see somebody that uh uh you know when you're you're you're sick and tired of being taken advantage of and you can't let go of the you choose a wrong enemy can really destroy your life and I think that's what happened to him. He couldn't let it go. Yeah. But he's a hero to a lot of people as well. A lot of people followed his fire and the pain that he had. Yeah. I would say that I'm somewhere in between Batman and the Joker. Okay. But I think that the Joker is definitely a relatable character, more so in the Dark Knight than he was in the Phoenix movie a couple years ago, which I know you said you were not a fan of. Dude, I walked out 43 minutes into the movie. I go and I look at my wife. We have 20 people at the movies. Rob, were you with us or No, when we watch a joke. No. So, we're in a movie theater. I'm like, "Yeah, I'm out. Why?" So, this is this is divisive, man. You're pinning America against America. We don't need more of this. And it's interesting because that movie, what ends up happening at the end of that movie? He kills, he ends up killing, is it Robert Dairo, who is that uh like the Johnny Carson character of the movie? Yeah. He kills, he says, "How about another joke, Murray?" And he kills him. And that was after he killed a couple bankers on the subway. After he kills a couple bankers on the subway and then that leads to one of the stories, the Luigi Manion story. Yeah. Wow. Well, here's a guy. You got Luigi Manion. You look at his background. Stud of a guy, student, good grades. Everything's looking good. Minus the last 90 minutes he disappears. 90 days he disappears. But you can't really see what what's happening there. And the people he followed on X, I was one of them. He followed some 74 people who were libertarian type of guys that he followed. So, it's not like he followed only right or only left or only middle. He was open-minded is what he seemed like. And then all of a sudden the rage gets there to want to take out the United Healthcare CEO. How much when you hear that story? You went to the rally by the way, right? What did you hear people saying? Like what were you noticing that caused people to go rally for this guy? Well, I mean if the um uh manifesto was legitimate, the one that was leaked that was published by independent reporter named Ken Clippenstein. that's real. Uh it seemed like Luigi Manion had a lot of grievances against um the health insurance claim denial system, particularly how United Healthcare had had implemented AI to automatically deny people's um healthcare claims. So people needed treatment, they were paying customers, and there was a machine that had one of the highest um insurance claim denial rates of any other major health insurance. 32 33% something that was ridiculously high. And you pull up that number. People were trying to appeal the um the robots decision and it was almost impossible. you were stuck, you know, with someone on the phone for for days and a lot a lot of times during that window where people were waiting to get care, they would pass away. So, I'm not sure if he had someone in his family who was uh affected by the health care policies, but I felt like a lot of people in my generation are kind of fed up with things not changing, you know, the cost of living being ridiculously high, the wages being really low, and they felt like Luigi Manion was something like a martyr who spoke for the rage of the collective public who feels like nothing is changing. So, how how should what do you think is the level to go to? Because some people uh what what's the one girl lately that's been talking about Luigi Manion in a very complimentary way? Uh Tracy is Taylor Lauren. Taylor Lawrence. Have you heard about Taylor Lawren? Yeah, she helped us um whenever we lost August during a contractual dispute, she leaked all the information which kind of like segueed millions of fans to channel 5. So, shout out to her for that. I'm not sure what she was saying about Luigi, but I think that basically probably what I'm assuming she was saying is that many people felt like um he represented the call for direct action and there's a generational shift to the idea that awareness culture and raising awareness doesn't actually create change. So there's a lot of people say one more time. There's kind of an idea that um has persisted over the course of the past couple years, especially with the progressive left in the US, that raising awareness doesn't do much to actually create change. And so for someone to break out of the mold of like making people aware and actually take things a step further made people feel some type of revolutionary spirit. Wow. So even if it means killing the CEO. Mhm. Well, because their logic is, you know, how many people have died as a result of their health care claims being denied? Yeah. Health insurance claims, you know. Yeah. So to you to somebody that is going through this and you're touching and you're talking to people and you're hearing the arguments at the protest walking away what argument got for you to say ah it's a little too much and what what argument was like you know what these guys may have a point in this area which which one was it? Well I mean the reality is that regardless of like how I felt about the opinions killing a bunch of CEOs is not going to change any of that infrastructure in the health insurance industry. You know what I And it's not like that's going to lead to see that was my concern with the movie Joker. Mhm. Say here's your chance for me to be a hero. But the fact that it spurred conversations I thought was interesting. I mean just it was fascinating to see such an you know the instant valorization of Luigi that happened overnight. Everyone's like oh my god this guy's so hot. We love him. He's our hero. It was interesting because that was very much poisoned by the social media algorithms of the time you know where like Luigi Manion becomes a hero to so many. And um in general, I think that it did spark some good conversations, but I think you can acknowledge that while still saying it's not good to shoot people in the back of the head in the street. Rob, what's that clip, by the way, you just had cuz I think that's the one where she breaks down her argument, right? Can you play this clip? I think she does a good job explaining why she's for Luigi Manion. And I don't think she's alone. I think there's a lot of people that are probably on her side as well. Go ahead, Rob. hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls uh about someone standing a murderer when this is this is the United States of America as if we don't lionize criminals as if we don't have you know we don't stand murderers of all sorts and we give them Netflix shows there's a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles the sort of mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels and you see that in moments like this and I can tell you I saw the biggest audience growth that I've ever seen because people were like, "Oh, somebody, some journalist is actually speaking to the anger that we feel." The women who got her outside court in New York. So, you're going to see women especially that feel like, "Oh my god, right? Like, here's this man who who's revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems this like this morally good man, which is hard to find. Yeah. I just realized women will literally date an assassin before they swipe right on me. That's that's where we're at. I'm sure you would like to be comfort saying, by the way, he's doing a pretty good job. I've been seeing the stuff last two weeks and I think actually doing a pretty good. I don't know who he is, but yeah, I think she broke it down quite well in terms of like the romantic appeal as well. I mean, you hear the stories. Who are some of the people that ladies would be lined up in prison just to kind of see him? Was it Charles Manson? Who else was it? Ralph. Like people would be lined up. Ted Bundy. He had Yeah. Uh the Menendez brothers uh who killed their parents in California. One of them got married while they were behind bars. Wow. I mean, every serial killer has typically had like dozens if not hundreds of women writing them in in prison. Why do you think that is? I don't know. I think people are just fascinated by the allure of it when people's names are in the headlines. Like just someone's sort of uh profile being that large. Just fame attracts a certain kind of person regardless. And you know she said something here which is very interesting and I I was having this conversation with us Rob one day you and I uh seven of us were at Kasa D'Angelo and you even said this once when you were been interviewed with Vice I believe and I don't know what the guy asked you. He said something about did you ever catch yourself you know creating content that the audience was reacting to or something like that. I don't know what the context of it was but you were kind of explaining that where she says I've never had this many followers. That's not necessarily a good thing. Yeah, because who is following you? Who is agreeing with you? You know, who is saying, "Man, I like what you have to say." And all of a sudden, you're like, you're in the room with them. You're like, "Whoa, I don't relate to you guys. Where did you guys show up?" Yeah. And that's the thing about social media nowadays in particular is like people kind of become, it's a very fine line to walk when you exist online is doing things that you believe in and doing things that you know your fans will appreciate and kind of want you to do. Cuz once you pigeon hole yourself as a certain type of person, you know your audience quite well. you know that if you say a certain thing to the audience you've built up that they disagree with that a lot of them are going to walk away. You know, for example, like there's a lot of people both conservative and progressive who might have opinions about different things like abortion, homelessness, drug, you know, gay marriage, Israel, Palestine that they know that if they speak their opinion on it, they might lose a significant um percentage of their audience. And so I think that keeps a lot of people going in line with what they see as like the majority consensus narrative as opposed to finding a middle ground and having conversations because at the end of the day, everyone's trying to survive too. Like imagine if for someone like Alex Jones went on, you know, TV and said, "I support, you know, a Palestinian two-state solution." A lot of people would be upset with that. But Alex has also not been the most uh agreeable guy in the Republican side that's every president has had a little on the conservative side. Nobody outside of Trump has been very close to him. Most of the Republican presidents can't stand Alex Jones. Really? You think George Bush likes Alex Jones? What is George Bush doing nowadays? No, but seriously, do you think George Bush likes Alex Jones? I mean, I don't know if George Bush knows who Alex Jones is. No, I guarantee he knows who Alex Jones is. I guarantee he knows who Alex Jones is. Wasn't Alex like the first one that came out saying 9/11's going to be happening and they're going to blame this and they're going to blame that. Isn't that Didn't he do something like that? Yeah. I mean, he was he was warning of an impending terrorist attack. I I think specifically on the World Trade Center like years and years before it happened. Bear in mind that was after there were bombs detonated in the parking garage of the World Trade Center. I think it was in 1997 or 99. So it makes sense. It wasn't like he was conjuring up that image from scratch. But it makes sense as to why George W. Bush doesn't like Alex Jones. So what I guess what I'm trying to say is when you use the example of Alex Jones, I don't know if Republicans side with Alex Jones outside of Trump. I guess what I'm kind of trying to say is when you become a social media influencer on a different political side on one political side of the aisle, it can disrupt your business and income if you decide to deviate from the norm of the consensus. So for you when I watch you, you say, you know, I have left this, but I'm not really I don't want to be tied to a political side and I don't want to do this and that, but I'm, you know, I'm kind of this as you're going through all of these places and you know, you're living your life and you're you're developing your own opinion. You're only 28. You're growing. 27 27 97 I'm doing a math. So, you're going to be 28. When is you What month are you born? I'm actually uh I was born on April 23rd, so it's coming right up. Well, that's right. We made a note of that. Your birthday's coming up. That's right. But uh happy early birthday to you, by the way. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah. As you're going through this, you know, would you consider yourself more of an anti-establishment person? Anti-establishment, like socially progressive, you know? I think people should be able to do whatever they want to do within reason. But yeah, socially progressive, anti-establishment. Definitely don't find any identity in either of the major political parties today. Yeah. And and to you an Alex Jones would be a guy that is would you put him as an establishment guy or anti-establishment? Anti-establishment 100%. Yeah. So I think I think you and Alex are obviously he claims he makes claims. He says things. You don't do that. You just go get the content and say, "Hey, what do you think audience? Make up your mind. This is up to you." Right? You don't get up there and say, "Let me tell you what I think is going to be going out." That's not your brand. You're more going out there doing the journalism. But to me, he is it's almost like whenever somebody isn't invited to the White House too often by president, they don't trust the guy fully. The only guy that's given this guy the opportunity to come in is Trump. All the other guys weren't comfortable with him. Uh, as a young guy yourself, how do you feel about Trump? I mean, in what sense? I mean, okay, so you're in the streets. You're talking to everybody. Did you think he was going to win or did you think, "Oh, there's no way this guy's going to win." I definitely did not think that he was going to win. Oh, really? until the last minute. I mean, I I I think I'm kind of in a bubble to a certain extent. I'm mostly in like progressive major cities, so I I didn't even realize that he was going to win. But then after the assassination attempt, I knew he would win, you know, specifically when he pumped his fist and said fight, I was like, it's done. There's nothing the Democrats could possibly do to take the trophy away from this guy. But yeah, I would say in general, like I'm not really like a Trump guy. Mostly I don't like the way that um that political movement makes people treat each other, you know, just on like a a day-to-day human human level. like interpersonal interactions get really dark between the Trump crowd and their opposition. Who do you think created that? I just think that um the showmanship of politics that's happened in the last, you know, probably six to eight years. It's kind of like two football teams and it gets pretty gnarly out there. I don't think people were fighting in the streets during the Obama and Romney election. You don't think there was like a Romney Proud Boys? You know, you don't think there was Romney Proud Boys? Okay. So, uh let me ask you this. Do you think uh for a guy that's anti-establishment, do you view Romney as an establishment guy and anti-establishment guy? I mean, I know he's part of the Utah establishment because he is a Mormon, right? Which which is no disrespect to Mormons. They're actually really nice. Sure. Uh but I I think so. Yeah, for sure. He's like an RNC guy. Did you do something with Mormons or No. No, I want to, but it's kind of hard because if you portray them negatively, it's kind of like Scientologists. Like the Mormons have a lot of money to sue you. Yeah, but Scientology will come after you in different ways. I'm more scared of Scientology than any other subgroup in the world. Really? Yeah. You know about fair gaming, right? Their policy where they can like stalk you and harass you for years and use of course I'm very familiar with that CIA technology to make you think you're having a schizophrenic break. For sure. They are incredible at what they do. I mean the guy's wife's been missing for how long? David Msgavage's wife has been missing for how many years now? Shirley. Is it Shel or Shel? Shelly. Yeah. And it was there was like an LAPD checkup where they like reported that nothing was wrong. I was like, "What do you mean? Did you talk to her?" They're like, "We're not going to say, but like everything's fine." There's a guy in Los Angeles right now. He He's one of those like um second amendment first amendment audit like cop watcher guys. Yeah. His name is um I think it's like Sciento Scientology LA. He stands outside of the Church of Scientology on Hollywood Boulevard every single day live streaming for hours physically like blocking the entryway getting people to not go inside and get a free auditing session. So he's single-handedly shut down their recruitment operation in Hollywood. One man. Yeah. She's she's apparently been missing since ' 07. Okay. Since 2007, she's been missing. Well, I think we know what happened. What's that? She's dead. You think so? Yeah, dude. Leah Remeny. Did you ever see the Leah uh am I saying her last name correctly? Shelley Mscavage. No. No. Leah uh Remeny. Do you know who she is? Leah Remeny. No. No. Oh, she Oh, she she made a she was in Go and Clear, right? That big Netflix documentary about Scientology. Yeah. And she went out and she says, 'Well, one time I went and I said, 'So, how's uh Shelly doing? And everybody looked at me saying, 'Hey, you don't ask a question like that. And I was like, well, I'm just asking a basic question. She's a friend of mine. You don't ask a question like that? And then she's like, that's when I realized something's weird over here. Yeah. So, you think she's been dead in 07? So, let me ask you, if that's the case, what is the protocol? What are they supposed to do? Is the government supposed to investigate? Or are we one going to sit there and say Shelley Msgavage is 173 years old, been missing since 2007? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. Is she going to get a funeral? When does it get to a point that the government says, "I want to investigate what really happened to her?" Has there ever been one rap? Has the US government or the PD ever investigated to find out what happened to her? You just went after Scientology. Another crazy uh fact too is that David Mscavage, their leader, has never done an interview. He's only ever been docu Wait, with who? One interview he did. You've never seen this? No, I got to find it. You have to watch this. Are you You're saying you're you you're in the space. So maybe you're I've only seen him portrayed by Scientology media. He's done one interview his entire life. Yeah, I'm right. With Ted Kappell, by the way, if you've never seen this, okay, thank you for the fact check on this 199. So it's been over 30 years since appearance. And let me tell you, the way he interviews, the way this guy interviews with Ted Kappell is unbelievable. And if you watch him, you know whose mannerisms you'll pick up? Okay, I want you to watch this and tell me what actor's mannerism do you pick up. Go ahead, Rob. Just press play. Watch this. I feel perfectly comfortable with my life. I like my job. I'm happy with my family. I love my wife. Uh I'm healthy. Uh I'm I'm perfectly content. That's why I'm asking you, what is it you can do for me? Well, number one, I I would never try to talk you into that Scientology is for you. You see, that's the funny thing about this is if I'm now going to give a sales pitch to you on Scientology. Believe me, Scientology is valuable enough that it doesn't require any sales pitch. But let's look at it this way then. What Scientology does if you look out across the world today, this is the only interview he's ever done. If you take a person who's healthy, positive, whatever you do, watch this when you're out of here. You will be blown away by this guy's interview. We've tried to have him on many, many times. I'd love to talk to the guy. Have you gotten to the stage of like him considering doing an interview? No, but we spoke to his camp because we've had a few people on. one guy who left uh the organization and we had a couple other guys uh uh Mike Reindder who uh what is his relation to uh David Muscavage he was one of the highest ranking guys there right the senior executive of the church international and uh he ran the sea organization which is like the place to be yes that for those unfamiliar that's the top organization in the hierarchy of scientology and if you buy your way into the sea or there's an annual cruise that you get to go on and that is sort the top tier. I think I don't know how much you have to spend to get into CORG, but once you're there, you're in whatever and I don't know what that what the benefits are of that. Do you have any interest? I have some friends I can introduce you. I have an extreme interest in Scientology, but I also have an interest in being alive. So, you don't want to be a member? No. I mean, holy [ __ ] Can you imagine having those guys against you? Yeah, but imagine if you have them with you. That's even I'm going to lose all credibility. It would be like Andrew Callahan. Imagine if you were part of an organization and we had your back. You would never have to worry about anything. Is does that sound appealing to you? It does. But what sounds more appealing is staying away from them or being a liazison between Scientology and the public. Like David Miss Cavage is like, "You know what? Shel's actually at my apartment here in Florida. Come meet her. Come meet her. Do an interview. Let's make a Channel 5 video." I would do it. Oh, I would love to see it. Mhm. I'd love to see it. I'd love for you to go and just talk to You know what else would be interesting for you to do? If many many years ago when I was an atheist, I would go to churches in LA and I would just go want to talk to everybody about whatever they believed in. I'd go to LDS and I would say, "So tell me about this uh Gordon B. Hinckley. Tell me about this, you know, uh Joseph Smith. Tell me what happened with uh, you know, Vermont when he found these uh these plates and he moved to, you know, these states and every time you guys moved, he got kicked out until you got to Utah. What happened there? Tell me about this." I would go to Scientology Church and I would say, "What do you believe in? Who's God? Who's this? Whoever you believe in, who do you believe in? And it was always such an incredible method of communicating with you, which is so impressive. If you notice one thing about Scientologist, you know what they definitely can do better than mostly other religions. They're incredible communicators. John Travolta, Scientology. Yeah. Tom Cruz, Scientology. If you just look at the way David Muscavage speaks, he speaks better than most preachers speak. The way they teach their guys. I had an office one time where 70 agents in the office were all Scientologists. I loved working with them. Yeah. They're kind of like toast masters, intergalactic on steroids and growth hormone and they hang out with Gary Brea all the time type of health. Yeah. Like they're at that level. But one thing I know they do is whenever they do the auditing sessions and they ask you to like, you know, recall a traumatic memory or something that's sitting in your subconscious, I know that they they record that session so they can hold whatever you're saying is blackmail to leverage against you in the future. I do believe that Scientology is sort of a massive for-profit blackmail operation that has it's deeply entrenched in Hollywood and the police departments of of Southern California. Interesting. Because I mean what what is the purpose? Because they're not atheists. They believe in an ascendant spiritual plane where um the theatan which is your soul will live there and occupy its own planet after you pass away for eternity. Which sounds fantastic in theory. So I hope it's true. So if you're a Scientologist watching this, I hope you're right. But imagine you die, you get to heaven and you're a Christian and God is like Scientology was right. You're going to hell. So what are you what do you believe in me? Man, I'm try That's the thing, man. Like you said, I'm 27. I'm still trying to figure things out. Like like my opinions sort of change as I'm learning more stuff about life. I would like to think that um there's an afterlife. When I was a kid, my grandma told me that, you know, there was and that all my great-grandparents were there watching the Phillies games and the Phillies always win in heaven. That sounded nice. I was like, "Oh, that sounds great cuz they're losing right now." But as I'm getting older, man, I don't know. Sometimes I watch a a bug die or a dog, you know, we just had to put down a puppy. Never mind. Anyways, uh I think to myself like, man, what what makes me different from all these animals and and wildlife that's passing away? Is there something special about the human spirit that allows us to occupy the kingdom of heaven? Are we more than animal? Well, listen, I don't know if you ever watched Charlie uh uh All Dogs Go to Heaven. You ever saw the movie All Dogs Go to Heaven? I believe All Dogs Go to Heaven. So, you think are they I don't know about cats, but I think all dogs go to heaven. But do they get their own specific heaven or are they with us? I think they're hanging out with us. I can't imagine going to heaven not seeing dogs. So, dogs are the only species in heaven or all other domesticated pet breeds? I I don't know. I you know that's a a pay grade that I'm I haven't reached that level 32 or 33 to know if they're going to be there or not. I'm kind of going based on faith. I'm hoping they're going to be there because we love animals. But I if my dad's version of faith to him, he is hoping animals don't go to heaven because my dad can't stand dogs because they poo everywhere. Because my dad is a clean freak and god forbid an animal touches him. He loses his mind. till today. His his mother, my grandmother had 12 cats, two dogs, two parrots, 12 birds, two snakes. All her kids love dogs and animals except for my dad. She had four kids. They all love animals. My dad can't stand them. So my dad's depiction of heaven, it's just human beings. So mine, I'm hoping there's some animals, but we'll see. So you don't have a faith. You don't have something you believe in right now. No, I'd like to though. I'd like to have some sort of ecstatic religious experience. Well, you know, you're 27. you're going through it, you know, when it the way the the journey you're going on is so awesome that I'm really curious to know who you are three years from now, six years from now. Sincerely, I want to know where you're going to be 10 years from now. You know, there's certain people you watch uh who are coming up and you're like, I think this guy's going to change a lot of times and I can't wait to meet the next guy. You know, you know what I'm saying? Like look, 10 years ago, Rogan was a Sanders guy. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, wait, what? He was one of the reasons why Trump got elected. They hug each other at UFC as if they're best friends. What this this is not the same guy when I was on Rogan's podcast. He's like, I'll never have, you know. Yeah. You know, he was thinking about it, but at one point he told Lex, I'll never have him on. He called me all this other stuff. What happened to him? What evolution did he go through? I think last week Rogan just said, "I'm no longer drinking alcohol." Yeah. Or two weeks ago. I stopped about 39 days ago. Really? Yeah. How is it so far for you? It's just fantastic, man. Like, you know, I used to spend so much time socializing. It became like a second job. You know what I mean? I'm like, I get off work. I have my my It's It felt like partying was a job. And I just have much more time on my hands, much more emotional regulation. That's why I'm putting out three videos a week now as opposed to one. I wake up at 5:00 in the morning, been running, get to work, edit, put something out. And you edit your own stuff out here. Yeah. One thing I wanted to ask you. Wait, what' you say? I hear you edit your own videos. I edit my own videos mostly, but I have a new team of editors. Shout out to Charlie, Nate, Gabe, and Ethan. Those are my first four editors. My first four Channel 5 employees of history. Charlie. Charlie Brady. He edited the video about West Virginia Greyhound Racing. Oh, very cool. Mhm. I want to ask you though, what religion was your father? Mom and dad, both Christians and they're from Iran. Iran. Yeah. Is it is that the dominant religion there? No, but remember my my dad's a Syrian and my mother's Armenian. So I speak Armenian. I speak Aramaic. But I lived in Iran for almost 11 years. Went to Germany. Then we came here. Were Christians expelled under the sha? Not under the sha. The sha was like open. Oh, I mean, sorry. Yeah. Under humeni. You you do not want to um you're walking on eggshells under kmeni when you were a Christian at my time. Uh it was it was uncomfortable. It was um you couldn't go out and be too public about it. Mhm. See, there there's a couple things when you know you you talk about Iran and you talk about America and for me when you grow up as a kid, you're like, "Whoa, why can't I be a Christian here? Why can't I be public about it? Why is this so judgmental and unsafe and you got to be careful and all this other stuff and then you come to America, you're like, "Yeah, you're a Muslim. Great. Go to Detroit. Take over Detroit." Yeah. Take over Dearbornne. Do what you want to do. You want to be Scientologist, go to LA, build it up, go to Tampa, no problem. You want to be a Mormon, go to Utah, do your thing. You want to be Jehovah, you want So, it's like, you know, it allows you to do it. This country being a great one. But going back to it, establishment as the anti-establishment, we're talking about Trump. Mhm. And your industry is talking to uh you would be a what are you a Gen Z? What the I think I'm on like the very uh late Gen Z, right? Yeah. I'm like the last like I'm like the oldest Gen Z person. Wow, you're old. I'm like, right, you know how there's like the Aries Taurus cusp, which is today. I'm like that for Gen Z. I'm not a millennial, but I'm definitely not Gen Alpha. Like I I when I was a kid, I was like playing with sticks and kicking rocks around and stuff. I wasn't, you know. So, you experienced that? Yeah. I was I had no The internet came around when I was like seven or eight, at least home computers. So, I was out there, you know what I mean? Just doing my thing. The good old days. The good old days. And I wasn't watching people on live stream typing in like W chat or L chat. Like, I was really experiencing. How old is Mr. Beast? Is he older than you or you guys? Mr. Beast is I would I would estimate 31. How old is Logan? Logan Paul's what, like 28? Oh [ __ ] Is he really 26? He's not 26. Oh, Mr. Beast was born in 1998. I got to get my hustle on. Holy [ __ ] He's 26, dude. I thought he was 30. How old is Logan Paul? Can you pull that up, Rob? How old is He's got to be like 28ish. Oh, I've got Logan Paul three years. All right, we're good. And Jake is what? 29. Jake like a year younger. 28. 28. This is like the 26, 27, 28, 30. I think the way you're going, if you if you continue the way you're going, you'll be a 20 million plus sub channel. I hope so. No, I I think you will be. I think your only reason you won't is because you're going to be your own enemy and get your in your own way. If you kind of buckle down and stay disciplined, I think you're going to get there. And I think definitely you'll be a very very influential voice in citizen journalism in America. Thanks. And help a lot of us that maybe we don't have the time to go there. We'll be like, "Okay, where's he at now? Oh [ __ ] I didn't know that." That's what it looks like. But going back to it, you not you're not a Trump guy, but you said when I asked you about Romney, somehow we went to Scientology, right? Which was a very weird left turn we took. Well, I think it was the Mormon Scientology Mormon, however. Yeah. But would you put him more like do you think Romney is more with President Bush or do you think Romney is more friends with Trump? I mean, as far as Trump, he's not part of the RNC establishment, but there's a new establishment forming around Trump. You know what I mean? Like I think that he ran on the platform of being against the DNC establishment who obviously are entrenched in like the mainstream press, late night television. Most cable news networks except for Fox do are kind of obedient to the Democratic party. You saw that when they disenfranchised Bernie Sanders during the primaries in 2016. Yeah, for sure. So I think that he was for a long time, but I think there's a new establishment forming. But but but hang on forming. But prior to being established, they were anti-establishment before they got established. Well, there's multiple establishments is kind of the thing. I totally get it. They but establishment is what those who are the majority. They have the control. They're established and this is our way. You have to come ask our permission to run, right? Kind of like, hey, I'm Obama. I'm Clinton. I'm this. You're going to come through us before you run. Right. Yeah. Trump is totally an outsider anti-establishment. So, check this out. This kind of where I'm going with this because I'm trying to see, you know, uh uh uh positioning. So, Obama, would you put Obama as establishment or anti-establishment? Establishment. For sure. Would you put Bush as established? How about uh uh Clinton? Yeah. How about Senior? Yeah. How about Reagan? Yeah. How about Carter? Every president ever before Trump was a part of a major political establishment. How about Kennedy? Kennedy, I believe, was assassinated by the government because he went against the agenda. What that agenda is, I'm not sure. I'm going to have to do some research. So, I would say the the last two anti-establishment presidents we've had are Kennedy and Trump. I think that the Democratic party wanted Trump to to to win in 2016 to run in 2016 because I think they believed that he had no chance and I think that um the Democrats actually propped him up. It's called the Pied Piper strategy. I think they did that in 2016. Hillary in particular in the DNC camp because they thought this guy's ridiculous. After he went down the elevator, they were like, "No way is the birth certificate guy going to possibly win." So, I think that they purposely propped up an anti-establishment candidate in 2016. anti-political establishment, not, you know, financial corporate establishment with with the idea that he'd be so easy to beat, but he was so good at speaking and and, you know, having a genuine connection with the people and the way that he talked casually, offscript, no pulling no punches that people resonated with Trump a lot. Why do you think uh even from the younger males, Gen Z's, why do you think there's such a big growth and attraction to Trump today like never before? Because it's more your your generation, your age, guys, 18 to 27ish, 28ish, they're seeing themselves like, man, I kind of want a guy like Trump instead of what's going on. Why do you think that number is increasing the most? That demo? I think that has a lot to do with the um sort of like Can you pull that up, Rob? cuz we've talked about this before a few. A lot of the culture war identity stuff being pushed a lot by the democratic establishment has is backfiring in a way that makes a lot of young white dudes feel like why are people hating on me all the time, feeling kind of disenfranchised. They're being told their voice isn't important and that it's not about what your ideas are, but it's about what you look like and what your background is. And if you're from a a high pl high high place of privilege, then you shouldn't be able to have as much of a role in the conversation as someone else who's been given less in life. And so I think that especially in academia where you're seeing a lot of people kind of feel disillusioned with the discourse there because it's so generally one-sided on college campuses. I think there's a lot of young people who are also seeing Trump go on podcasts like the von Neelk boys this one a lot of podcasts where you're talking you're having a regular conversation that you wouldn't be able to have with most establishment candidates and they think all right you know what I might not love everything about this guy but I'll tell you that he's able to have a conversation here or with someone who's just willing to talk and they feel like you know if he can he could be my friend too. Yeah, that's that's uh that's interesting. You're you said I'm kind of in a progressive bubble is what you said a few minutes ago, right? To a certain extent. Yeah. Okay. So, in in the progressive bubble that you're in, what what is that progressive bubble belief in? Well, in the progressive bubble values and principles, which would be like more leftist um oriented late genzers, there's not much Kla Harris or Biden support. You know, I think that's the big thing that conservatives missed is that nobody in my age demographic was excited about the Harris campaign except for a select few. Um, most people I know didn't even vote for the Democrats who would be considered very anti-conservative because they felt like that we didn't have a candidate that would speak for the interest of the more progressive youth. And I think that we still don't, you know, that's why I kind of look for 2028 as the great equalizer year because after the Harris loss, I think the DNC establishment is going to be in obscurity. And I think that with Trump taking over the uh conservative side, the traditional Bush RNC is also not as important. So I think we're going to have fresh primaries in four years with, you know, great voices from both sides of the aisle. And I think it's going to be one of the most fair and free elections ever. Okay. So what I want to hear is values. Mhm. Progressive bubble. Yeah. What are the values you believe in? Your top three values. Socially progressive. Probably um socially progressive. I believe in like the complete legalization of gay marriage. Okay. Pretty pro-choice. Um I think that um the the the richest people in the country should be taxed a little bit more and I think that the working-class people should be paid a little bit more as well. I think that there's a wide gap that you're seeing, especially when you have the richest cities in the country have the most inequality. You have a state or a city like Los Angeles which has the highest corporate tax rate and the highest homelessness rate in the country. So the fact that these two things are existing in tandem shows that the money from taxation is not being spent effectively. People are not able to afford to live a normal life. I think that even 30 or 40 years ago, it was normal to get a college degree, go straight into the workforce in the white collar sector and be able to buy a home for yourself and start a family at 30. Most people that I know are so overwhelmed by student debt at this point in their life and that they can't even think about anything except for clearing that debt by any means necessary. people are so overworked they have no time to pursue their creative interests. There's no politician they feel like speaks for the working people of the country. And I think that um I'm more in line with with that way of thinking, you know, but I'm not like a I don't sit around hating on Trump or getting upset about that because I think all this stuff is just a symptom of the dysfunction in our country that at some point will work itself out if we can come together. Would you would you say you're a pretty reasonable guy? I think so. Yeah. Okay. I think so as well. You give me the vibes, too. Do do you uh do you the the conversation of allowing men to compete in women's sports? How do you as a young Gen Z progressive view that argument? I mean, I just wonder how much of like an issue that really is. It seems like the kind of thing that is really like small that doesn't affect that many people's lives that's being blown out of proportion by different news organizations to distract people from the real, you know, growing income inequality that's happening. I mean evidently if there's like a buff person who identifies as non-binary who is competing in women's sports but they were born as biologically male male obviously that's an unfair situation. Okay. So you say that yeah I mean by the way so that's logic to us as well right? But when again to me this is this is this is where a couple things are happening. That's one thing that I'm curious to know your thoughts. So when I look at the Democratic party and their approval rating was higher pre what do you want to call it pre- Obama was higher and even made leg let's just say during Obama as well was higher to where it's at today. I don't know if you've seen the rating or not where they're at. Have you seen that lately what they've been reporting I didn't even know they did approval ratings for people who aren't in power. Oh do you know you got to see this? It's done by CNN which is the one I trust the most because CNN polls they do not they want that number to be as high as possible. That's exactly. So Fox did it. I would be like, "Yeah, Fox is like, "Turns out everyone." That's right. Rob, do you have the video where the guy Henton, what's his name? Hinton. Harry. Yes. Harry that does it. He does a very good job. We have that clip. But when you watch this, you know, you ask yourself, okay, why is that not idea not as popular as it used to be? What happened all of a sudden? Right. The numbers are staggering on how much it's dropped. Um, right. What's it at now? Like what, 30? 35%. No, less than that. You got to see this, Rob. Did you find it or I'm looking for the video now? I did find the article that you No, it's a video. What's the guy's name? Harry Enon. Yeah. Uh uh uh uh uh uh. Okay. So, if you go on X, just type in Anon Democratic rating. There you go. Is that the most recent one? Uh this is from February. There is another one that he did that's more recent. Um November, March. March 12th. Okay, go with that one. Watch this. No, that's old. Hold on. Sorry. While he finds it, I just want to say I think that the the trans women in sports thing is like a classic divide and conquer overblown culture war distraction, divide the public thing because like realistically they know that what they're doing now by creating that issue is that it's taking precedence over things that are far more important that affect millions and millions of people. and they know that there's going to be a push on the progressive side to vehemently defend that, you know, because that's what they do. And there's going to be a conservative push to make that the main issue. And so it's creating this like matrix. It's almost like filibustering public conversation. But but also let's say you're right and let's give credence to 20% of the argument of that being a part of it. Let's let's put that there that I think there's a part of it that the opposing sides like, "Hey, show this clip. Look at what this happened." So I get that. I get a little bit of that, you know, uh uh that's happening where they're showing, okay, like, hey, look at what's going on with, you know, the economy. Stock market drop. New job reports came up. It's higher than expected. No, no, don't show this report, CNN. Show what's going on with the stock market. You're in tariffs, right? I get that part. However, maybe some of it is also the bad policies cost a lot of people to leave the Democratic party. Yeah. More than ever before. Rob, if you want to play this clip, watch this one here. This is how long ago, Rob? This is March uh March 17th. March 17th. There's there's an updated one, but let's just watch it. Close enough. Yeah. All I have to say, Democrats, call your office. You know, where March Madness Times, terrible, terrible, terrible. To quote the great Charles Barkley, view Democratic Party favorably. CNN SRS, look at this, 29%. NBC News, you want to go lower than that? How about 27%. Both are record lows. The lowest going back to 1992 in CNN polling. The lowest going back on record to 1990 in NBC news polling. The majority of Americans hold unfavorable can't match the guy's energy on the right. The Democrat full like sports announcer. All I can say is I'm a big fan of the oldies. So I'm going to quote, "How low can you go?" Nice. Well done. What about the congressional democrat? Yeah. What about congressional Democrat? Why does it look so uncomfortable? These numbers are low. How about this one? Holy Toledo. Voters views of the Democrats in Congress among all voters disapproved 68%. And look at the approved number just 21%. Even lower than the Democrat. I want to hire this guy. Look at Bernie Sanders Trump record for Democrats like the dad for modern university polling. You think these numbers are bad? Let's go. Watch this one. Watch his dems on dems. Go Democratic voters feel. Get this. The plurality of Democratic voters disapprove of Democrats in Congress at 49%. And just 40% approve. So data is data, right? Data is data. So when you look at that, this is not good. So then the question becomes, how did you guys get here? Mhm. What ideas were bad ideas? You said something very interesting and where you're like you're for gay marriage. Cool. And then you said you're for higher taxes for the guys that are making more money. Mhm. Not. Okay, just to clarify, I'm talking about like the genuine like billionaires. Like for example, California, the tax system is ridiculous. Y like I got they took I think 45% of my income in total when you add up state and federal taxes last year. And I would have used that money to hire more people. So the logic is like we're going to take this money and distribute it to those who need it. But I actually would have used that money to hire like five more of my friends and pumped it back into the economy. I don't believe that entrepreneurs who entrepreneurs who are like around that like million2 million to 10 million level should even be taxed. But I'm talking about when people are hoarding such absurd amounts of wealth multi-billion dollars. I just think that it should to a certain extent be distributed not necessarily in the way of like the government seizes all of their assets and gives it to the poorest people. But there has to be a way to bridge the extreme divide in income inequality in the country. Okay. So check this out. You just answered a very important question that took me a while to figure out when I was making 30 40 $50,000. like, "Dude, these rich people are greedy. You know, they suck. They should pay more taxes. It's not fair." Then when I started working my ass off and I built a business and a money came in, I'm like, "Dude, if I had the money, I would hire five more people right now. If I had that money, I would hire 10 more people right now." Right? You're thinking about it from and you literally would. And if you don't, you go buy a car, you're creating jobs. If you don't, you put in a bank. The bank's going to lend it to somebody. If you don't, you put in a mutual fund. That company is working. Someone's getting paid. No matter where the money flows, it's creating jobs, right? So the question on raising of the taxes, do you think you're more capable of doing good with your money or the government can? Uh that's a really really good question in terms of like personal financial liberty. I mean as far I mean as far as that question goes obviously you would be better at spending your own money than the government if you're managing a business. But the fact is that once you get past a certain threshold of wealth a lot of people are just hoarding it and not pumping it back into the economy. Back back in the day with Reagan when he installed supply side economics, the idea was, "Oh my god, it's going to stimulate the economy so much if we give no taxes to billionaires who run corporations." But what happened is they ended up just kind of hoarding the money, buying more estates, jets, vacations, living a lavish lifestyle because there's a human tendency to just want to be as much of a baller as possible when you have a billion dollars. It's just how people are. Everybody wants to flex, get the nicest car, get a helicopter, do things that you can't do, things that you've dreamed of when you were playing like Grand Theft Auto as a child. So, but go there. Go there with that. Let's say you're the greedy billionaire. Okay. What's a greedy billionaire buy? Oh, damn. You're asking me like what network do you want to do? You want to do 100 million? You want to do billion or you want to stick to billionaires? Yeah. Let's stick to people who are making you know multi-billion dollars every every year. How about let's say billionaires and up? Okay. What does a rich billionaire buy? What things do they buy? Um well, what I'm what first thing that comes to mind for me is a uh a pool like an infinity pool that bleeds directly into the Pacific Ocean. Beautiful. a fleet of jet skis for all of my friends. Uh so we can kind of travel. I love it. Corporate real estate on the water so we can jet ski from the house to work. I love it. This is like Larry Ellison. You ever seen Larry Ellison's headquarters? No, I haven't. So this guy's from Oracle. This This is the kind of [ __ ] that you're talking about. Type in Larry Ellison headquarter parks his yacht. Parks his yacht. Something like that. And then go to images if you could. Uh, so this guy builds his headquarters. Oracle. Um, put in Oracle. Oracle Ellison headquarters. Um, is ship. Maybe type in ship. Type in if that comes. Maybe go to Oracle's headquarters. Okay. Just take out take out uh uh the yacht. This guy build his headquarters. I don't know which one this is. He builds a place to put his yacht. I'll find it. I'll text it to you here in a minute. He literally parks his boat in front of the property that he has, whether it's Intel or Oracle. It's one of the two. But, okay, what else? So far, we got pool infinity pool on the water at the Pacific uh, you know, ocean. You got jet skis and then you have a corporate real estate on the water to jet ski from office to the house. Yeah. personal trainer, uh, private chef, uh, nutritionist, private chef, dermatologist to live on scene to help me with my skin problems. Dermatologist love it. We need these dermatologists. Who else? Um, I can't even think about. I just know that once you pass a certain amount of money, it becomes a competition as to who can get the most. Give me more, bro. Go greedy. What else is this billionaire going to buy? I want more. Get creative. Okay. What kind of billion am I a tech billionaire or am I like a Saudi royal family member? Give me both of them. Okay. I can't even think of anything else. Yeah. But okay, let's just say private jet. Is that fair? Yeah. You for sure have a private jet. Let's just say yacht. Mhm. Do you have a vacation home? Yeah. In Santa Fe. In Santa Fe. Oh, no. That's where Jeffrey Epste has. I got to pick somewhere else. I got to pick I scratched that. I scratched that. I have a vacation home. Jean Hackman. Like, um on the west coast of Jamaica, West Morland Parish. Holy [ __ ] Good taste. Yeah. What else? What else do you do to hoard the money? Where do you hoard your money? Um you could just sit on it. Where do you But what do you sit on? Like what bank? Well, what a lot of billionaires do is they use their money to kind of like use the legal system, civil court in particular, to bully people who talk badly about them. Yeah, but that's like uh it's happening to me right now. Yeah, I get that part. But I'm saying what do they buy? But let's even say that. So that means they hire a PR firm and lawyers, right? So they hire PR firms and lawyers. Okay. Do they buy expensive watches? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I I personally wouldn't buy a watch, but they probably do it. Yeah. Crazy. I don't know why they do this kind of stuff. What else? What else are these guys? Now I feel like now I feel like I'm being set up right now. Where does this end? This is where I'm going with this. If there's something that I don't know about billionaires, I want you to tell me. I tell you what it is. Here's how I process it. So if they have an infinity pool, does it have to be maintained? Yeah. But okay, I see what you're saying. There is pool staff that needs to make sure the water goes is not there's not too much chlorine going into the ocean. Do they have to be maintained though? Somebody has to take care of it on a weekly basis to build an infinity pool wrap. How much? Put average price of building an infinity pool in Malibu. Okay, let's just average price of infinity pool building in Malibu, California. Yeah, California. Let's just say what it says. Price point 250, 500, 200. I don't know what the number is going to be. Give us a price point on on uh Infinity Pool. Estimated cost 65 to $150,000. That's actually a lot less expensive than I thought it would be. And watch what it says. In the luxury Infinity pool, 150 can exceed to $500,000. That's a lot of jobs that people going to get paid. Okay, if you buy jet skis, let's say it's $25,000 for a good jet ski. That's a lot. That's a lot. But you're right for a good jet ski. You're creating a job and you need to get six to eight so that you and your core employees can commute to work together like some kind of fleet. That's right. We got to do it the right way. You can't screw around with this one here. Headquarters, corporate headquarters on the water, construction workers, plumbers, electrician, it's a lot of jobs being created, right? If you have a private uh personal trainer, that's a job you're creating. If you have a chef, that's a job you're creating. I get I get the point you're trying to make. People should be able to get nice things for themselves if they work super hard. I'm not the kind of guy who's like, "If you work hard, you have to you should give all your money to people who are, you know, are on the lower income." I'm just saying that like the the specific tax rate should be a little bit higher. Not ridiculously higher, but higher enough to where they can have substantial social welfare programs. My biggest challenge with that is is even the greediest of the greediest who goes and is like flaunting a big ass platinum gold chain that they're putting around their neck that they bought for whatever that somebody took three months to build. No matter what it is, the money is flowing. Even if they put the money in the bank and they're sitting on it, the bank is lending it back to somebody. So money is always working. Chase is not going to let money stay in the bank. Yeah. The moment you put money in Chase, guess what Chase is doing? Chase is lending it to somebody ASAP. They don't want the money stay in the back. They're not making money like that. So no matter what you do, the ba the basis of this question for me goes, who's going to do better with the money giving it to the government? Because you said what? Right after when I said taxes, you you said in California, what did you say? Let me go back to it. You said in California, you know, the taxes that you're paying 45%. But then at the same time, taxes are not being used effectively, right? How much of that are we going through right now? Well, I mean on on the inverse and what do you think will um solve the problem of the extreme poverty and wealth inequality in the country? Well, let's see. California has been trying to do it. Well, the thing is they try that's the thing is everyone sees Gavin Newsome as like an enabler for all these destructive Democratic policies, but he still makes concessions to conservatives who are like bullying bullying him into not carrying it out. For example, let's take the Tenderloin in San Francisco, which is the biggest is still the biggest open air drug zone in the city. Been that way for decades. Um he you know obviously during the the Biden administration and when Newsome was in control he still is. It was a crazy scene out there. There was people smoking fentanyl in the streets, people defecating and sleeping in the streets. San Francisco. Yeah. In this particular area. Is there a clip you want him to show? No, I think I think we can just overlay it or something. But I mean in general, Governor Nuome was being kind of like [ __ ] on for letting that happen. But the reality is, and people on the ground know this, there was supposed to be a safe injection site that was two blocks long, two blocks wide that was supposed to be maintained by the state and the city. So it made it so people wouldn't be able to use heroin, fentanyl, and meth on the streets. They would have to go to a controlled environment where the public and children and people who were living in that community wouldn't have to interact with them and they could have the access to the services they need. At the last minute, Governor Nuomoe didn't build it because he was too scared of being getting another media smear campaign and being made to seem like someone who lets people do drugs in the open, but he still does drugs in the open. So, with the Democratic establishment in California, there's a lot of hypocrisy and there's a lot of uh we don't know where the money's going. There's not much transparency as far as what's happening with all these taxes that are being taken away from people who worked hard to make that money. We do know that a trillion dollars of wealth have left California in the past four years. We do know that cities like San Francisco and LA that are still generating a ton of money, much of that money isn't even being given pumped back into the city because so many workers have gone remote. There's a lot of people working in California that decide not to live there because they can do their work for tech companies remotely elsewhere in a more affordable state like Montana, you know. So, I think that when you look at progressive policies and you look at poverty and it's not changing and then you look at, you know, the tax rate going up and down, it can easy it can it can be easy to say, you know what, nothing's ever going to change. And that's why there's so much like a sense of apathy and nihilism when it come when it comes to the billionaire thing. That's why people are saying, "Oh, you know, billionaires are the worst. Kill them all like on the internet because they've seen nothing change and they're seeing, okay, the cost of living is high. There's homeless people everywhere. There's so much poverty, yet there's this class of people who are unaffected by it." So the question is then, if we don't raise the taxes, what can be done to change that situation on the ground? The taxes? No, I mean the situation with inequality and poverty. Yeah. But that's that's not how it works though because to me, here's how it works. Okay. Let's just say you got three sons and they're all 25 years old. Okay. And you're 60 years old at this time. Could you be? Yeah. 60. Yeah. 25. 60. Let's just say you're 65 years old. You got three sons. 25 26 27. They're all out of college. You give each of them $100,000. First one you give $100,000. He goes to Singapore. He parties. He comes back. Has a lot of stories. Says, "Dad, I tried an opportunity. I met with this businessman in Singapore. Didn't work out. I need another quart million dollars. I'm up to something big. Second son comes up. You give him $100,000. He takes $100,000, go buys a small condo, gets a nice little job, makes 120 grand a year, doesn't need any money from you anymore. He's doing okay. He's happy. He's got a girlfriend. They're pretty serious. Third one, he give $100,000, takes $100,000, starts a little real estate shop, turns it into $3.2 million. Okay. Two years later, now they're all two years older. The first son to give $100,000 went to Singapore, comes back, says he wants a quarter. The second one's a quarter. The third one wants a quarter. Which of those three are you more comfortable giving more money to knowing you're going to get a rate of return on your money? The first, the second, or the third? Probably the first, right? Why? The first, the guy that went to Singapore. Oh, no. Not that guy. My bad. I kind of got lost in the metaphor here cuz I was The first guy is Singapore. The second guy is a stable guy, good citizen, gets a job. Or the third one that starts a business and makes the money grow for you. I mean, probably the three three cuz it would be a bigger investment. But I mean, aside from a business standpoint, like if we obviously you recognize that there's a big problem with homelessness, poverty, unaffordability. Well, why do you think that is though? What do you think? I'm asking you. You're in the streets. Why do you think that is? I mean, I would just assume that because the social safety net is so small here and there's such such little being provided for people in terms of mental health services, the broken veterans administration, so many different things, unaffordability, like there's just not enough resources to set up people who are to help people who are at rock bottom here. You think we haven't given enough money? So to me, when you ask the question, if we don't uh raise the taxes, then how are we going to fix this? To me, the question becomes, the last 30 times we agreed to give you more money, you wasted it, why should we trust you to give you more money? Because if I give money to uh Amazon, if I give money in a company like Nvidia, if I give money to Tesla, if I give money to Ford or Disney, and I buy the stock and I'm like a believer, here's what's going to be happening. I kind of can track publicly. There's accountability, there's accounting, there's quarterly earnings, there's calls to get on. If I give more money to to the government, what is the quarterly earnings? Where's the accountability? No, I totally account. Why am I giving money to that? There's no way logically one would give money to a company or a business that I don't get to see what you did with my money. There's no tracking to it. Hey, I agree. I I do think that like we can both agree that like, you know, throwing money at things doesn't always fix the problem, but you've been around for longer than me. Like if it's not that, if it's not funding programs to provide for people who are down and out, like what what do we do? Cuz the problem is already here. Like it's not in theory, like there's 100,000 people who are homeless in LA alone and and San Francisco combined. So it's like what do we what do we do? What's the solution? Do you have any like wisdom as to what you think would happen? Do you think long term you'll live in LA? You said earlier you're considering leaving, right? Uh well, that's the thing. As I love the landscape and the people of California so much where I live now, I'm an hour and a half from the beach, hour and a half from the Mojave Desert. can drive to Vegas for Tijana can get to the Bay in Florida kind of just in Florida. So would you see yourself living there long term because we're gonna we're gonna document this because we're going to come back when you come to Florida. I'm saying how's it feel being a Floridaian? I like being in Florida because you can feel like it's kind of like Texas right now where things are moving. You can feel people are like excited about new projects and it doesn't have this air of like a you know bygone greatness that LA has. I have an office in Universal City. It's my first ever Channel 5 office that I opened four months ago and there's a cafe that's abandoned in the lobby. It looks like I moved into like a Ford Motor Company factory in Detroit. There's only four people working in this giant building and like I remember the the janitor came by. He was mopping the floor and he like pointed at some derelict office and he goes that's where Michael Jackson recorded Beat it and I was just like Jesus Christ you really feel like you're in like a post rust belt decline. What's the address? Where are you at? I don't want to say it exactly. But is it like what part of Universal? Like close to across from Universal Studios. Oh [ __ ] Okay. Yeah. So it's like literally there's this like bygon gone. There's in the air you can feel that the place has has seen better days like by Disney and where Forest Lawn is give or take. Exactly. Okay. I had a makeup artist come by when I was having a lot of breakouts or whatever. And so she came by and she was so happy and I was like why are you so happy? She goes I haven't had work in two months. She said before co every single day I was on set for a different awesome director getting to do makeup for the stars. and she says, "Now I have to travel to Poland or Taiwan to find work because that Hollywood is moving their productions to different continents just to save money on staff." So why do you think why are people leaving taxes and Okay. So why else why else do you think they're leaving? You think it's taxes? There's a couple different like Okay, so there's Hollywood leaving. They're leaving to save money. Comedy leaving is because of the culture of the coastal cities. Tech left for a little bit because remote work was more profitable, but tech is returning to Silicon Valley. So, I think tech is still still going for California. But those three big industries, Hollywood, tech, and then comedy, all left for different reasons, but comedy is for sure because of the culture of California. So, long term, you're kind of open to leaving to Austin or Florida or something. Yeah. At some point in my life, but I mean, I also just love California. I also believe in it. I could see California having a second wind. I mean, it's obviously How did he get it? How did he get a second win? I mean, new leadership. So, like, such as who? Is there anyone that you think that could turn things around? No, not right now. But maybe like maybe maybe a a rising star could emerge from the ashes. And that rising star that emerges from the ashes, what would you want that person's policies to be on? Like what would take the money that you're taking, use all of that tax money to provide for people who are sleeping on the streets and dying on the streets. Provide robust mental health services, shelter options, opportunities to people who have been basically dejected by society. um clean up the street like make for the amount that we're being taxed in California. It should be a utopian society. And when you talk about homelessness, another problem is that people say, "Oh, there's so many homeless people in California because of the progressive policies." But it also has to do with the fact that homelessness has been criminalized so heavily in red states and counties that people are leaving those counties to California so they don't go to jail. I don't know if I don't know if you're familiar with the Grants Pass Oregon ruling. It's a rural county in Oregon, which is a blue state. And it ruled that if you're a homeless person because of vag vagrancy laws, you can be taken to jail and cited even if there's no shelter beds available for sleeping in the street. And if you get your third vagrancy citation, it's a mandatory 90 days in county jail. So, a lot of people who are homeless, suffering from, you know, different mental disorders and and substance abuse issues, they're like, "All right, I don't want to go to jail. I'm going to go to LA." So, then you have all of these mental health and support services being overwhelmed by people who are migrating from red counties and states. So, I think that the solution is I wish this was viewed as a as an America problem as opposed to a Dems versus Republican problem because, you know, when you politicize people who are going through like hard hardcore suffering, it can it can be easy to overlook their suffering and use them as political cannon fodder if you're Republican or Democratic. Yeah. And and and I think you're coming from a very sincere place that you want to improve. This is why I said I can't wait to watch your journey. It's exciting to watch you go through what you're going through right now because in the business world, here's how it works. If you have a billion dollars, your name is Bill Aman, and my name is John Doe. I come to you and I say, "Hey, Bill, uh, my I need $20 million from you. Really? Tell me what your background looks like." First deal, I uh put $20,000 of my own money. My dad gave me $100,000. My uncle and family gave me half a million. I sold the business for $32 million. Second company, I put $2 million of my own money. It failed. Uh, moved on, didn't work out for a year, but I didn't take money from anybody else. Third company, I took $20 million, turned it into $180 million, and I sold a business. Fourth one is the one I'm doing right now, and I want $20 million from you. Yeah. Will you consider giving me money? Yes. Right. Okay. So, number one is a guy like Nuome has credibility issue. We want to give you more money for what? I'm not comfortable with this. So, liberal policies have lost credibility to get more money. Number two, reputation. If your policies are so good, why are 27 out of 30 cities in America that are the most unsafest cities in America ran by Democratic mayors? That's data. 27 out of 30. Right? So, you have all these years to fix the issues. How come you haven't? Third one for me is the following. Had a friend of mine who if you ever went to dinner with him, he wouldn't order dessert ones. He would eat more dessert than steak. Like to him is like, "Let me try this ice cream and bring this one out and bring the carrot cake and bring this this and bring the tresletches." And he's just eating it, right? And he says, "You know, I'm about to do the stomach stapling uh here coming up." I said, "Really?" Yeah. I said, "Shit." And he says, "Really? You're going to Yeah. He goes and staples his stomach, loses 50 lbs. Literally, he loses 50 pounds." Okay. So now he can't keep anything down. But guess what? He still eats dessert. Same exact thing. Key lime pie. Key lime pie. The whole night, right? All of it. right? This strawberry sorbet, give me all of it. Right? So, his habits didn't change. So, even though we staple the stomach, he still kept doing the same thing. So, when he asked the question, how do we fix this homelessness problem? Money to me is band-aid. Money to me is staple the stomach. Money to me is not changing the habits. Money to me is not getting rid of the bad behavior that they have. It's not going to do that. It's standard and protocols. So if somebody feels safer, it's like a kid who wants to come and hang out with you and your dad and your dad smokes weed. Yeah. But you don't want to be with me because I'm a tougher dad that I don't smoke weed. You're like, "Man, that dad is cool. You're not cool." California is the cool dad smokes weed with you. Texas is like, "No, you come to my house smoking weed. You getting your ass kicked out of the house." Yeah. So, well, you can bring your gun to my house. But that's okay cuz I feel safer, but I will feel safer. For some of the people because we're a second amendment country, right? Yeah. That that's that's the part where it's the back and forth for me where if your if your ideas have credibility that you've done well, let's give you more. Yeah. But they've lost so much credibility where people don't want to raise taxes cuz you don't have credibility right now to ask for more. Yeah. And that's what I was saying about the safe injection site in San Francisco. That would have solved the problem of open air drug use in the area. You think so? Oh, definitely. Tell me why. Because people aren't going to get cited. They're not going to get I mean most of the the open air drug bandaid or is that permanently fixing something? I mean if the safe injection site was also had you know harm reduction services had mental health treatment options had people working there day in day out trying to help people get back on their feet. It would not fix the problem. There's still going to be drug use and homelessness no matter what. But it would allow for an exit ramp for those who want to make that choice as opposed to, you know, living literally on in outside of people's apartments shooting up and passing out. You ever heard of Jared Clickstein? No. Do you know who he is? So, can you pull him up, Rob? Jared Clickstein. I had him on this on the podcast three months ago. So, this guy was in Skidro for seven years. Okay. He lived there. Homeless guy, heroin addict. His mother, Rob, if I'm not mistaken, died from heroin, right, at 14 years old, when he was 14. And then his dad was a heroin addict. He eventually got off of it. This guy becomes an addict. He starts selling. He goes to Skidro. every day he's stealing $1,000 on the streets, CVS stores, and he's selling it for $300. That was the rate. And he comes in and he talks about he wrote a book. I don't know what the book a crooked smile. Can you can you uh is there a picture of what he did to himself? Why he calls it crooked smile? So he explains I asked him, I said, "Tell me what happened there with LA." Okay. What was the problem with you being homeless? And then he breaks down the incentive program of him constantly going through it. Yeah. Yeah, this guy burned his own lip that he had to do surgery. He was so high on drugs that he burned his own lip. I mean, he's got a mustache now, but he openly talks about it where he titled a video crooked smile. Oh, wow. Yeah. He break I think this guy would be a very interesting guy for you in LA to go to Skid Bro to document stuff with him. Yeah. Because he can give you a different perspective because he was there for seven years. Yeah, that would be a very interesting thing. But can you go to the $24 billion number, Rob? I don't know if you follow this number or not. California state audit revealed that a substantial amount of money allocated for homelessness program, roughly 24 billion over the past five years, was not consistently tracked or evaluated to determine if it was effectively addressing a crisis. The lack of tracking and valuation led to a lack of transparency in how the funds were spent, right? Whether they were actually helping or not. And guess what? 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I think liberals are more oriented in um maintaining power for themselves, dominating the political landscape of the state. You don't think leftists are? I don't think leftists have any semblance of political power in the US. Why do you think? I just think they've been disenfranchised by the liberal establishment, the democratic establishment. I think progressive people's movements. Also, if you look at, you know, there's been over half a century plus of infiltration of these organizations by the FBI breaking them down. And we're not just talking about like, you know, communist and far-left stuff here. We're talking about people's organizations, Black Panthers, Brown Berets, American Indian Movement, farm workers unions, environmental groups. They were all infiltrated, all infiltrated and taken down by the government. And so you have the Democratic establishment claiming to be a progressive organization, but I do not think that they are. So, you know, it makes me uh uh think uh Anthony Scaramucci said something very interesting the other day. Actually, very interesting where he said uh a guy the way the US system is set up is guy said, I'm going to go be Congress because I think I can make some changes and you realize you can't do [ __ ] I'm going to go be a senator because that's where the power is. I can make some changes and you can't do [ __ ] I'm gonna go be president because you know you can't do [ __ ] So, the American system is built that somebody can. Even if the leftist that you think could change something, if they get in, they still have to go through the other people that if you give the money to them, it's not like they're going to personally go count the money and do something good with it. Yeah. The money is still going to go to these institutions that's ran by people that have been there for decades that you can't do nothing about them. Yeah. It's kind of depressing and kind goes back to the Luigi Manion thing when you talk about this deeply entrenched bureaucracy that's halting change. That kind of thing makes sense. You know what it makes me think about though? It makes me think about what would you trust more a bigger government or a smaller government? Small. Yeah. Small but effective in act actually working for the people. So a small government means more money stays with you and I leave it in the market. I trust you knowing better what to do with the money with a million dollars than the government. Yeah. I trust you instead of paying 45% of let's just say you made a million bucks last year. 45% went to taxes you kept 550. How many more jobs would you have had if that was only 20%. you would have kept that $250,000. What realistically, let's just say you had an additional 250 last year of tax saving. What would you have done with the 250 in California? Hired more employees, been able to, you know, expand the newsroom at a quicker pace. You know, we expanded to the Middle East and in Mexico and elsewhere as well, the UK and New Zealand would have been able to do that a little bit faster. I was still able to do it, you know, but definitely it's uh there's not quite a sting like getting an invoice from the IRS after working your ass off for an entire year. And uh like I said, that sting wouldn't be as bad if they were using the money well. I mean, if I was living in a world where there was no traffic, where there was where people were happy and there wasn't this massive um you know, working class despair taking over, you know, you could feel it in the air in California and elsewhere in the entire country. If that didn't exist, I would probably be okay with a higher tax rate because I would say, "Okay, well, I don't have to people at large, the community, this American experiment is progressing in a mutually beneficial way." Yeah. But if they were efficient, they wouldn't need to tax us more. You you get what I'm saying? Because like if there wasn't such bureaucracy in the government and the IRS. Yeah. And so bless you. So but to me it's also deeper than that. Think about it. Like let's just say I got five Cues that are working for me. A CMO, chief marketing officer, CFO, CTO, technology, chief strategy officer and chief compliance officer. And we have a meeting at the end of the year. What's your budget? My budget is 5 million. My budget is four million. My budget is three million. My budget is 10 million. Great. If a guy at the end of the year had a $5 million budget, but ended up hitting his budget for the year and a behag, but they did it on 80% of the budget. So, he didn't spend 5 million, he spent four million. You're like, "Dude, good job." Right? You save the company 20% of your budget. But if a guy that had a $10 million budget doesn't hit his goal, but asks for 15 million and spends 50 million, you you don't have credibility. Yeah. So it's that simple that for me I would much rather take more power away from them because they don't have a track record of getting good things done. Yeah. They keep making it bigger and bigger and bigger at what expense. So that's the part where I think a part of why Kennedy and Trump's are so hated is because the one thing those two have in common is the establishment couldn't stand these guys because they couldn't control them. What do they have in common? They both have money. Mhm. And they both had the ears of who? Yeah. Some of the most powerful people in Hollywood and they liked them. Yeah. Trump on the right, Kennedy on the left. Yeah. Right. So, it's kind of like that that that relationship where they were both hated. Mhm. CIA, FBI, the Fed. Who the hell are these guys? Trump's not getting along with the Fed. Kennedy didn't get along with the Fed. There there's some of those commonalities where now the the flip side of it. Guess what Trump and his camp have to do? If they don't produce results, guess what happens? What? Oh, the other side's going to come out and say, "You had them. What do they do?" Nothing. And that's kind of where I'm at in as well. Like, I'm obviously not not a really a big Trump guy, but if if positive things happen for the country during the the Trump term in these next four years, I'm going to report on that. You know, I'm not going to be I'm not dedicated to making Trump look I know you are. No, I know you are. Yeah. If if great things start happening, it's not like I'm going to look for an alternate angle that undermines the success. I'm just looking at how average people are living every day. Happiness and, you know, fulfillment. Very cool. Chicago. You went to Chicago, right? Yeah. Back in the day, I covered a music festival called Lyrical Lemonade or Summer Smash. Then I went to Oblak the next day and somehow that became my like most watched video of all time. 18 million views. Yeah, that was sick. I love it. It's sick. Why do you think it was so special? Why do you think it did so well? Well, Oblak is like the genesis of drill music. You mind if we played? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Rob, go ahead and play. Go ahead. You're saying Oblak is the genesis? Block is the genesis of drill music, which is a subgenre like of of rap, which is hyperviolent and focuses on like real life violence. It's actually been a pretty destructive cultural force to be honest with you. But, you know, Oblak is where it started. So, it's kind of like, you know, how people would go to Mississippi to document the origin story of blues or they go to New Orleans for jazz or they go to uh Nashville for country. Chicago and South Chicago is like that for drill music. I think that in a hundred years there's going to be like drill tours in the same way that there's like a Kentucky bourbon trail where people will like drink the whole way and go say this is where uh Papy Van Winkle put his 15-year barrel up for sale in 1798. This they're going to do this in Oblak and be like this is where Chief Keef was born in the year 1995. And there's going to be people in 2150 like oh my god that's so crazy. What is that peak Rob? Go back on the video at the beginning there was a peak. Go all the way to the bot first. First first part, first two minutes. Oh, sorry. What is that? What is that peak? What happens here? Press play. GDK. GDK.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K GDK. GDK. GK. Come on. GDK. GK. GK GK. Folks came out supposed to GDK. He invented that [ __ ] to you. Like, what is drill music? We started the word drill with our music. Like, let's let's do a drill. We started that [ __ ] Like, how would you explain drill music to someone who doesn't know? um music that make you want to kind of get outside and go just be outside. You feel what I'm saying? Make sense? So So means what? Meaning you can go outside and cause mayhem, kill somebody. That's literally what he's saying. Yeah. It's pretty dark. But I mean drill has now become like the one of rap's mainstream sounds. How how how safe did you feel? Pretty safe honestly only because like you know people don't understand this now like all hoods in America all like you know poor neighborhoods that have music in them and have like micro influencers they recognize content as a viable avenue for income. You know back in the day if this was 2005 preYouTube you could never go to somebody's hood just as a as a voyer and and film with them. But now there's kind of an informal agreement that is that's why there's so many hood vlogs now is they recognize that being featured on a predominant like a major YouTube channel could be their take it out. People are going to see them. It could be their uh you know um it could be their moment for more exposure and attention and especially Oblak is probably the most famous housing project in the US and I had a big YouTube channel so it just happened really fast. The one of the craziest things you did is when you went to uh uh who was the key keys what was it? Kia. I'll break it down. So, the Kia boys are a car a car. We talked about on the podcast. Go for it. In the beautiful coastal town of Bridgeport, Connecticut, and they're in high school. Uh, for an update, I heard the Kia Boys aren't stealing cars anymore. Part of that has to do with the security update that was installed in the push to start system. Yeah, you can't do it anymore unless somebody hasn't gotten the software update, but one of them's in jail. One of them just disappeared. And the third guy is working at a factory and he bought his own car and it's not a Kia. He bought an Americanmade car. That's the real message of this documentary. The video of him being in the car, Rob. When you're in the car, where is it where you're in the car? Well, I should have put two and two together, but um yeah, they picked me up in a car and they're like, "Yo, let's let's hang out." And I got in the car and I'm sitting in the back seat and I thought about it and I'm like, "Wait a second. This is a Kia. Holy [ __ ] I'm in the back of a stolen car with three juveniles." Window with a special tool. And clears the broken glass back up a little bit. So, this is a crazy scene. So, back up like maybe uh yeah, this shows what they were doing. So, they pick me up at the McDonald Bridgeport. I'm I'm riding with them in the back of this car. Sometimes I don't realize what's happening until it's too late, for example, and I don't want to jump ahead too much, but when I hop the border, I didn't realize that I had to hop it with the Coyotes until I was at the Rio Grand. I'm sitting in the back of this uh stolen I think it was a Mazda, actually, not a Kia, and I'm thinking, "Holy [ __ ] they stole this car." And then I look around. I look in the uh the the rearview mirror and there's a cop trailing us. And so I say to these Kia boys, I say, "Hey guys, pull over. I got to hop out." Because I'm thinking like, "I'm 25. These kids are 16. I don't know what they're going to charge me with." And so Rob, and the kid sitting in shotgun named Swervo, he looks at me and he goes, "Homie, you shouldn't have hopped in the car if you weren't ready to do the dash, meaning, you know, go on a high-speed chase." And so they turn the lights off and they just go 105 miles an hour. And the cop stops following them. Are you play I want to see this, Rob. I'm going to go back 30 seconds. Press play. Let me hear the audio. For cops, they said they'd had the car for over a week now. Reported. Yeah. This is before the cops was getting hotter and hotter to drive by the day. No less than 2 minutes into our drive, I began to hear police sirens. Perhaps naively, I assumed the Kia boys would just pull over and try to talk their way out of it. But no. Swervo dipped onto a service road and hit the gas, approaching 110 mph. You're sitting outside or you're inside? I'm sitting in the in the back seat. Turned off turned off the lights already. By some stroke of luck, the cops stopped pursuing us. I'm not sure why. Oh, now I know why. At this point, my adrenaline The cops don't pursue seems to move in hyper. High speed chases with stolen cars cuz they figure like it's such a public safety risk. You know what I mean? If it's a residential street, they don't want two cars going 105 miles an hour cuz that could like kill a pedestrian or something. So, the cops, they abandoned us. Uh, not abandoned us. They stopped following us. And then I told them to drop me back off at the McDonald's. And then so my plan I was like, I want to document these guys, but I don't want to be in this situation again. So I gave them my camcorder for the night. And I said, "You guys are I know you guys are going to go steal cars. I don't want to come with you. I don't condone that, but just do me a favor and take this camcorder from Best Buy and just film yourself." What a great concept. Literally. And were they honest enough that they brought it back to you? Yeah. You want to watch the footage? Do you have it? Yeah, it's on It's in this video. Where's it at? At the end or if you skip ahead 10 15 seconds? Right. right there. Press play. Let's see what they This is them. Then goes to put a cheap USB cord into the Let's see this. Let's watch this. I think it's got the update. He says the car is a dud. The driver recently installed the anti- theft software update. They had to find something. Just a few cars down, he locates a 2010 KiaForte and starts all over. cut himself. After successfully activating the engine with a USB cord, Swervo's on the watch and I'm following close behind, genuinely curious as to what his plan is. Swervo begins driving as fast as he possibly can, then comes to a stop and tells me it's time to turn up. All right, let's turn up. [Music] Yeah. So, yeah, that's their plan is they just start swerving. They're really like 16 years old. Like they swerve for like 20 minutes and then they just abandon the car. You're joking. So, they don't go sell the car. They just Well, apparently like they sell it to their like older brothers for I think $250, then they go to the mall and get shoes and the weed socks. And what do the older brothers do? Crime. Real crime. Well, not this not I'm not saying this isn't a real crime, but like you know, robbing people, you know, game. That's low-level stuff. You know, they sell drugs and stuff. I don't know. What did you What was your experience when you w when you're on the flight coming back? What are you saying to yourself? Well, I I didn't even put this in the documentary, but I guess the cops had still been following us. So, I go back to the Red Roof in in in Bridgeport and the cops knock on the door and they're like, "Do you see anybody with a stolen car around here?" And I was like, "Dude, I don't know what you're talking about." All right. Thanks. I don't know what you Yeah, I was um Wow. I flew home. So, you didn't get arrested. Even when you put this up, cops never got a hold of you. No, they might after this podcast, though. So, but they might after this. Thankfully, the Kia boys are no longer stealing Kia. But, uh, yeah, after that, that was a classic example of just me taking it too far in the field with the documentaries. Like, if I was to look back or looking forward in my own life, I'm not going to get in the back of any stolen cars with 16-year-olds in Connecticut or any other state for that matter. Maybe in Fort Lauderdale. Maybe. Oh, Broward County has got some pretty good drill music. I don't know if you know about that. Does it really? Yeah. That's called 954 fast pitch. It's like Broward's kind of version of drill. They takes rap songs and they speed them up 1.25 times. So it kind of sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks, but that's like the Pompa Beach like Lauder Hill sound. Oh [ __ ] You got to get one of those guys on the podcast. You ever listen to Ben Shapiro? I I used to. Yeah, for sure. When I listen to him, he sounds like he talks in 1.5. Ben Shapiro talks fast. His speed is so fast. Like you know when you watch a podcast on Spotify, you can listen on 3.5 and I can handle it. The only person I can't listen to 3.5 is is him. Yeah, he really put a 1.5 because he's like so fast. I'm like, dude, I can't slow it down. You got to go to point 75 with him because he's so fast in a different world. He could be a rapper. He tried to be a rapper. Did you hear his rap song? Yeah, I heard it. I heard the guy he did it with is actually good. What's the name of the guy? What's the guy he actually did it with is good. It's actually got good stuff. But uh uh uh what is the guy's name? He is He is really good. the guy right there, bottom uh second line. Oh, Tom McDonald. Tom McDonald. He's actually good. Yeah, Tom McDonald's are my favorite Trump rappers are Forgiato Blow, Bezelie, and Bryson Gay. Those are the top three Trump Believe. Yeah, Bez Believe. I met him at at Hempfest. He used to sell those weed lollipops that were like medicated with CBD. He became a hardcore uh Trump rapper, but he's still like thugged out Florida style. Bezelieve. Be easy believe. He's a cool dude. And uh yeah, he's my favorite right-wing MC right now. Right-wing MC. You like Little Pump? Yeah, but I wouldn't call Lil Pump a conservative MC. Lil Pump is just kind of a product of the bygone Soundcloud rap era. If that scene was still continuing, I don't think he would have done the Trump appearance. Got it. Okay, let's go to the next one. Rob, next one I want to go is the the Tesla rally. Yeah. What What was that like going to the Tesla protesting the rally? What was that like? I was I actually sent correspondence there. I sent a my my friend Albi here to the boycott in Palo Alto. I was in uh Jamaica for like an anniversary trip at the time when this was going down. Then I sent another friend of mine to the one in uh in Burbank. But yeah, it was kind of interesting like with the Tesla boycott movement. It was I see it as a broader offshoot of the anti-Elon stop the coup movement. But then at some point after that began, they started targeting Tesla factories directly. And their idea was that if if they lower you know Tesla's stock price that will in turn take away from Elon's economic power which would disempower Trump in some capacity. Right. And again, this goes back to the Joker to me because in the movie Joker, Elon would be Batman and Joker would be the guys that are going after him, right? It's funny. We're in We're in DC. Is it uh uh uh January 20th? Is it inauguration rap? Yes. So, we go to this party. Oh, CPAC. It was actually CPAC. Was it CPAC or inauguration? No, cuz CPAC because we went after CPAC, we had the invite. Okay. So, we're in DC. We're in DC and there's this Doge party and a guy invites us to go to this doge party and apparently Elon's going to be showing up. So, we go to this party. I take my 13-year-old son. They're upstairs watching. If you pull up one of the clips, Rob, uh, of someone else who reported, it was reported all over the place. There's a couple of them. So, we're there. We're walking. Pause it. Pause it, Rob, so we can hear it. So, we're walking. We get outside. There's a protesting across the street. I decide to walk up to these guys to just talk to them with my 13-year-old son. Pretty bad call, I think. Pretty bad call. I think I don't think you're wrong. Well, watch this. This is my curiosity here. Go ahead and play the clip. Go ahead. out of DC. This is the wrong clip because the one is you got to show the clip. So that one I can show you guys but we can't show cuz it's copyrighted content just so you know. Yes. Didn't we record it or No. Um I can look for the best version is this one right here. But these are the We can't show this. That's copy. Well, why don't you show it so he can see it and the audience, you know, you guys can tweet this and see. This is me talking to the guy just to kind of see where it's at. The guy in the ball to the right is a federal agent. Look what he does to him. Look at the spit coming up. Look at this. Boom. He spits. Oh, that was a real Lugie. Damn. Yeah. Damn. It gives me real nostalgic flashback seeing somebody with a MAGA hat next to somebody with an N95 mask on. Those are the two those are the two real genders. Here's a question for you. Do Do you When you're out there, Wow. You've not been out there, maybe your guys that came back. There's always, you know, numbers that show up that some of these guys are paid agitators and paid protesters. When you've been out there, whether it's the Luigi Manion or any of the other stuff, do you ever ask them the question or did you guys get paid to do this? Yeah, it's typically not true. Typically not true. Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen a paid protester. I mean it's a narrative that gets pushed a lot which makes sense because there is no NOS's that organize protests but they're making that decision to do the pro like okay there are groups that receive funding who decide themselves to protest and they use some of that funding to do stuff like you know make signs but they're still making the decision most of the time it's not like someone like George Soros is like hey go over there and and have a sign that says Elon sucks it's them being genuinely upset and thinking okay cool let's use some of is funding to have to do something. On the other hand, I have actually seen though paid protest groups go into places that are more radical like Portland and Seattle and disrupt, you know, more direct action movements. Like for example, I remember in Portland, Oregon during the crazy summer of 2020, there were organizations, I'm not going to say the name, that were basically paid by the city of Portland and the state itself to go into the protest groups and encourage non-violence. So all the protest groups that I've seen that are paid are mostly like peacemakers that are represent by the state. I wouldn't say that. I think the paid protester thing is like super overblown. Have you asked them? Yeah, for sure. I just know a lot of them. You know what I mean? So, let me tell you what came up. This came out with the AOC rally. During the AOC rally, they were like, "Hey, we had 34,000 people there, but uh uh GPS data analysis revealed that the number was closer to 20,000. Still big, but not record-breaking." And it continues saying a whopping 84% of the devices had shown up at at least nine other protests including Antifa BLS pro Palestine demonstrations and Kaml Harris campaign stuff 84% of them and over 30% of them had attended 20 or more that makes sense to me. I feel like people who protest for you know for a living and go to watch the rest of it watch the rest of it. Data analysts say the crowd was anything but organic. The majority were tied to activist networks like Disruption Project, Indivisible, Democratic Socialist of America, Rise and Resist, and Troublemakers. All reportedly funded by ACT Blue and some receiving backing by VIA, USAD, US8, Optics Over Authenticity. The playbook hasn't changed, just the targets. This is from Zero Hedge. Yeah, I was at the uh Bernie Sanders AOC rally doing some interviews three days ago in Bakersfield, California. And I just think there's a big difference between NOS's and political groups and parties that receive some level of funding and then decide to go to the events as opposed to like direct orders. The people who are showing up, they may have be receiving some level of funding, you know, in a nebulous way, but they believe what they're doing. It's not as if when you say paid protester, it kind of suggests that they don't actually feel that way, that they're just showing up simply because they received orders from the person that's cutting them a check. I think there's a mix and it's easy to cast them. It's it's easy especially when you disagree with someone to think they can't actually think that they must be paid to show up. But you know the Democratic Socialist of America, they are there with their clipboards asking people to donate and volunteer and sign up. But you know I I think there's some element to organization. But a lot of people just you know the protest crowd is relatively small and they they show up to everything. You think it's small? Well, the same people that went to 2020 protest for George Floyd are the same people that were protesting Israel on college campuses are the same people who vote for AOC and Bernie. It's kind of like a it's a demographic, you know. It's kind of like I I'm willing to bet that a solid percentage of the people that showed up to um a Trump rally here in Florida probably also I don't know about that have been to five or more Trump events in the past 5 years. Yeah. But that's different because what it says if if somebody's been to 20 or more, you don't have a life to go to 20 or more. It's impossible to go to 20 or more unless if you don't have a job. And if 34% have been to 20 or more, so maybe not majority, let's say 50% is real. Let's say 60% is real. Let's say 70% is real. But the 33 33% that's showing up who has been to 20 or more, you have to kind of speculate and say who's paying these guys to be over here. Well, I think when you say real, 100% of them believe what they're saying. The question is, yeah, I don't know if we know them. I mean, I've been to a bunch of rallies. I don't I can't think of a single rally where I've interviewed a protester where they're just straight up lying. You think those guys that stepped up to us and they spat on us, do you think they fully believe in what they're talking about? Oh yeah, dude. For sure. I I think you don't spend enough time around like internet leftists, man. They really think that like those people are really I don't disagree with you. But also at the same time, when you see the funding uh of you the paper trail of Soros and what he's done with his money, there's plenty of tracking to what he's doing as well. I mean, what about people on the other hand who are like funding the Trump campaign? What about his top donors? But to me, the way I would look at that, your your counterargument to that would be, what about the fact that Elon Musk spent $250 million to win Pennsylvania, right? Guess what the answer to that is? What? It's open. But the money is what? If you do this, here's what it is. I just think Citizens United should be repealed. It's crazy that corporations can be so powerful that they can speak more than a human being possibly could. Even though I mean how much what what's the how many before Citizens United what was the maximum amount amount of money that a person could donate to a political campaign. Oh by the way I would love that. It would never happen. Yeah. I would also love to get the lobbyist out but it will never happen. It would never happen. One of the first steps to it is if they're able to get big pharma from not advertising. That's a first step because out of all the countries, only two countries are allowed to advertise big farmers. US and New Zealand. Oh [ __ ] Really? You know that? In Europe, they don't have commercials for October. You cannot. You cannot. Yeah. So it says that individual contributions to candidates could only be as much as $2,400 per election to a federal candidate. So 4,800 total per cycle. And then after the uh the Citizens United is passed, you have corporations who are donating millions and millions if not hundreds of millions to political campaigns. They use that money to then subsidize large scale advertising campaigns and different PR optics to put themselves this who do you think gives more money? You think the bigger companies give more to the left or the right? It depends what you're talking because back then of course it would have been the left or not the left, the liberals, the progressives, the democrats. What do you think it is today? Uh I would I would assume well there's so much that's the thing is there's a second sort of uh sort of deep state I believe forming this may not help you by the way because a lot of uh okay so by by do you know by company how much leftist companies big Fortune 500 companies give to the Democratic party versus the Republican do you know the dollars how much you ever seen this is it a breakdown of it oh dude I love the fact that you're seeing this for the first time but I mean Elon Zuckerberg Bezos they all support Trump no but watch what happens Here you're going to see where this goes. This isn't it Rob. Nope. There's one that says u uh Brandon Homeberto, if you guys can send this to Rob. There's one that shows It's not this one. There's another one that shows 98% 97% 96%. You have it. We've shown that uh once before, maybe eight months ago, and we have that chart, but the the the it breaks down by company on what they gave 2024, 2020, 2016. You will be blown away by this number. So, even if we get rid of that, I'm curious to see it just because that's just all wasted money. Well, but watch it. I mean, watch it here. Watch to see what happens. It's that one right there, Rob. The the second lane, uh, third one. Yeah. Zoom in. Okay. Watch this. This is blue, left, red, Republican. But I mean, even even those top companies like the top blue donor is Facebook. We know that Mark Zuckerberg is now partial to Trump. He's not running against He's not though. That's not That's not about being partial to Trump. That's where the money is going. So you think that as political following? No. Your argument was the fact that citizens if they get rid of companies being able to give to big uh super PACs and this number is even further opposite side today. That's 2017. It's worse today for 2024. Rob, if you do have it, just stay on that one right now to just kind of show that until we go to the next one and these guys will send it. You will see the numbers. Look at that. Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Intel, Oracle, Black Rockck, Charles Schwab, IBM, Cisco. This is if you go down, there's also a significant amount of money being given to political campaigns. Exxon, Las Vegas Sands, Morgan Stanley, Loheed Martin, Goldman Sachs, Delta, Johnson and Johnson. Those are all giving equal amounts if not more to more. It's more to go. Okay, just look at the chart here. You have to be able to see it. Can you tell me where 50% is? I see what you're saying. Go to where 50% is. Right there. So, go up. You're right. The bottom. What? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. Give more to the right than the left. But now, let's count. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21. 21 is left. Only nine is right. So the control if they stop doing that, liberals get their money from the wealthy. Billionaires support more liberals than they do conservatives. As weird as it is, I No, I actually agree with that 100%. And just to clarify, I mostly agree with you. Like I'm not a supporter of the Democratic party either. So I mean I I just No, I I get that. But I I also see that as you're going through this process, when you're going to it, the the one thing that is phenomenal to see is the data to show what's going on with it. Eventually, Zuck realized he effed up because I think Zuck's play. Rob, when did Zuck come out and talk about the fact when he put that tweet out about Joe Biden and his camp forced them to take down some content and the $400 million I regretted? When was that tweet? Do you remember when that tweet was? August 27th, 2024. Can you can you put that tweet and pull it up? Do you remember? This this I'm assuming goes back to his Joe Rogan podcast where he wore the gray t-shirt and he was like kind of admitting that the Biden administration was pressuring him to take down uh posts on Facebook related to what he saw as COVID 19 misinformation. So you see the timing of it though, you know when the timing of that tweet was? The timing of that tweet, if you can find the tweet, just go to the tweet if you can. The timing of it was it's important to see the dates. So I think this is the part where uh so he wrote a letter I have the letter August 26 2024 to Jim Jordan. That's right. And he says what I appreciate the comm this there's a lot of talk right now on US international med. I want to be clear about our position. Our platform is for everyone. We're about promoting speech and helping people uh connect in a safe and secure way. As part of this we regularly hear to governments around the world. Da da da da. In 2021, senior officials from the Biden administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our team for months for to censor certain CO 19 content, including humor and satire, and expressed a lot of frustration with our teams when we didn't agree. Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take the content down. And we own our decision, including CO 19 related changes we made to our enforcement in a wake of this pressure. I believe the government pressure was wrong. And I regret that we were not more outspoken about it. I also think we made some choices that with the benefit of hindsight and new information we would have made today. Like I said to our teams at the time, I feel strongly that we should not compromise our content standards due to pressure from any administration in either direction. And we're ready to push back if something like this happens again. In a separate situation, the FBI warned us about a potential Russia disinformation operation from uh about the Biden family and barisa in le of 2020 election that fall when we post. So he's explaining that they effed up, right? You know what? What's the date? Go for it. I don't think that Zuckerberg would have done that if he thought Trump was going to lose. I agree. Yeah. Because realistically, you know, he's doing that as a concession because he's worried about retribution with the new Trump presidency and he's seeing power shift, right? And he wants to be on the right side of history because he knows that he's going to lose his financial backing to go against or could it be that he realized he was wrong? Well, I think that if you People always ask me, why do you think Trump won? And I think that Facebook censorship in 2020 played a huge role in that. I've said it before, it was like a collective uh Tiana and Square moment for so many people who were critical of the vaccine and lockdown mandates because whenever you're banned from a social media platform, your first logical next step is I'm banned because I'm speaking the truth, not I'm banned because I'm propagating misinformation that's going to be harmful to people. You think if the establishment, if a large social media company takes little old me's page down for, you know, expressing my first amendment right and saying my opinion about the madna vaccine or something like that, whether it's right or wrong, you feel that you're on the you are an anti-establishment person who is inherently telling the truth that's being censored by the greater machine. And so someone like Trump comes along and he's seen by them as being like the arbiter of truth and justice. And so Mark Zuckerberg and all those people during 2020 who colluded to deplatform people are paying for their mistakes big time. So they were wrong. Deplatforming people is wrong. No, but they were wrong about the position they took that they didn't allow any argument about vaccine or that the lab leak came from China that you know forcing military personnel to take the vaccine or else you got to get out or other doctors who are licensed from major institutions who practice medicine who had an opposing position towards the vaccine. Those videos were taken down by channel 5 like literally KKLA or KTLA. No, not you, but Channel 5 in California. They were taken on because of this. And then today, White House comes out with this. The lab leak origin. Rob, if you can go a little bit lower. I think this is today or yesterday. Today, the pro proximal origin of CO 19 co SARS cove 2 CO2 publication which was used repeatedly by public health officials and the media to distract the lab leak was prompted by Dr. Anthony Fouchy to push the preferred narrative that CO 19 was originated naturally. The virus possesses a biological characteristic that is not found in nature. Two, data shows that all CO 19 cases stem from a single introduction to humans. This runs contrary to previous uh pandemics where there were multiple spillover agents. Three, Wuhan is the home of China's foremost SARS research lab which has a history of conducting gain of function research, gene altering and organism supercharging and inadequate uh biosafety levels. Four. Wuhan Institute of Viology researchers were sick with COVID like symptoms in the fall of 2019, months before CO 19 was discovered at the wet market. Number five, by nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin, it would have already surfaced, but it hasn't. Rob, is there something to go lower to it? This is it. That's the Wuhan Institute of Viology. That's to Huan Seafood Market. That's where the Pangalan bat sandwich. Exactly what the story was. Yes. Go a little bit lower. And then what does it say here? The gain of function. They broke all of it down. Our current government gain function. Go a little bit lower Rob to see what that one is saying. Is there anything with data? So this is now coming out today. So think about it while we're sitting here and you think about Anthony Fouchy who was we were supposed to be told he was the sexiest man on earth according to Guardian. Who said that? You see this? Type in Guardian. Type in Guardian. Guardian. Guardian. Anthony Fouchi is sexiest man on earth. Maybe he is. Maybe our taste is bad. Maybe we got to get our act together. I mean, you got to look him up when he's younger to see if he's got some more. I mean, he's got handsome. He's got a symmetric. Don't question it. Listen, I understand you're like, don't question the integrity of mainstream media that says sex. If they say he's the sexiest man alive, just receive it. Bro, I don't understand this with Gen Z's, man. You guys challenged this a little bit too much. So anyways, but the part is this is where America cuz you Sorry, I don't know. Can the audience see this head shot of Fouchy right here? That's that's his Zoolander blue steel face right here. Look though, bro. That's like Listen, Brad Pitt's got nothing on Anthony Fouchy. Look at that. Ryan Gosling, forget about it, right? Robert Redford Young, hell no. Right. McQueen. You got James Dean. Anthony Fouchy. Damn, dog. Look at that. sexy. I wanted to back up just a little bit to a miscalculation that Zuckerberg, Susan Wajiski, and others made during that time is they forgot that the internet itself is actually free. A lot of people when they talk about censorship, they're talking they're existing within the big four. You know what back then was Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and I guess it was Tik Tok. But the reality is you can still make a website and say pretty much whatever you want within the confines of free speech protections. I can start andrews opinions.com and I can say anything. It's just a matter of getting traffic to the website. And what happened after they removed people from Facebook is in shutting down that discourse, people created alternative platforms that had a huge resurgence and actually emergence during that time as well. Gab, Parlor, Rumble, Bitshoot. And so what you did is you took them away from the public discourse and the marketplace of ideas and you put them into a tighter echo chamber amongst each other to where more fringe beliefs like the QAnon stuff were able to incubate in a smaller focus group and they just kind of exploded. And that wouldn't have happened if the surface net was existent as it is. Now you might say that okay this this may have stopped some of the Q stuff from spreading and infecting the brains of you know hundreds of millions of people and was maybe focused on seven or eight but those seven or eight million of people who were under absolute political hypnosis during a 2020 election uh you know are still suffering from that to this day. Listen. Um, so funny when you say that. We forget up until 2024. When did when was uh uh when did uh No, up until October of 2022. It's not a long time ago. Two and a half years ago, mainstream media had a chokeold on influence. Period. Yeah. Period. There was a guy named Dr. Mike who was like the YouTuber and he would always have Anthony Fouchy on. He agreed to come to our podcast three times and he was going to talk to this lady who used to work with Anthony Fouchy. Last minute he bailed. I would never do this and I never agreed. You agreed to it. We have the text documentation of immigrant who come to it. I would never come to all this other stuff. Okay. We were supposed to think he knew. He knew it all and I was a way to go. We can't question anything with the vaccine stuff. No, no, no. Fouchi's God and we got to go with the lead. And then and then Musk buys Twitter in October 27, 2022. Then what happens? Trump is back on X, which he rarely uses. Trump comes back on YouTube. Trump's come comes back on Facebook and Instagram. Then everybody follows lead. Then content creators can go back to sharing their opinions. Then content creators, a lot of them were kind of like, hey, here's what I believe. For us, we got a lot of strikes. I don't know how many strikes you've gotten, but we got a lot of strikes. You got one in the era of 2019 to 2022. We got many strikes. Our channel would be like, "Hey, you're one away. You're two away. You're one away. You're two away." And once you get three, they can do a lot of things to you if they choose to. Yeah. So, what happened in October of 2022 when you're saying when you're saying, "Hey, you know, they kind of got it wrong and they kind of did this." We didn't have a ch the market didn't have a choice. You couldn't speak about the opinions that you had. Then when they could when they realized they effed up, then the populists realized, "Ah, [ __ ] We were right. We were right about this stuff. Trump wasn't going to start World War II. Never did in the first term. The economy was doing good until CO happened. Ah [ __ ] Russia and Ukraine happened under I thought, you know, Biden was peace. Multiple major wars on a guy that's supposed to be peace. So that's when the markets finally like, look, dude, I've had it. You win seven battleground states and every state becomes more Republican than they were before. And the two states that became more Republican are the two states that lost a trillion dollars of what that left. So even after they left, they became even more Republican. That's like a landslide type of a victory that Reagan had back when he won against Mandel or whoever it was. Yeah. It's a very interesting time of what happened to So to me, I think a part of it is also, you know, it's a different social media now, the last two and a half years than what it was 2019 to 2022. Mhm. Those were dark times for a lot of people. Yeah, definitely. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I think that right now is a pretty good time for social media comparatively to then. Yeah. Yeah, it is. What was the antivax one you went to? What was that like? Oh, man. So, I mean the antivax rally, the one that I went to was obviously it was taken down by YouTube, but that was the first major anti-lockdown rally. This Why was it taken down? You know, same thing. Uh just like B. What was the craziest thing that somebody said? I mean, it was this is a prevaccine era. This is before the vaccine roll out happened. What year was that? This is in April 2020. Oh my god. So peak. Oh no. That Hollywood antivax rally is like a year later. If you look up Corona virus lockdown protest all gas no breaks, you will find the video that was removed by YouTube. Um yeah, but that was like at the uh California state capital in Sacramento right after it popped off. Is this it? Yeah. Is this the one they took down? This is the one that was taken down. So it starts with this clip. Yeah. I want to hear what the first thing is to see what what upset YouTube. Go ahead. I got every problem with the government saying we can't go out. It's a prohibition. It's illegal. It's against the Constitution. I am immune compromised. I'll put that at risk today. I'll put that at risk today cuz I got to be here. Yeah. Are you scared to die? No more scared than I am for anything else. Freedom. Freedom. Yeah. So that was like that was when it first popped off. You don't have them, right? You cannot You cannot do this to How many people own the news companies? How many? Well, you tell me. Three or three or four? How many do How many does Disney own? How many? How many? I don't know. Well, maybe you ought to find out. You're in the media, are you? Yeah, but I'm independent. You're independent? What? Independent media. Me and this guy. It's called All Gas, No Brakes. I don't see your your badge. Exactly. Exactly. [Music] That's the idea. I don't have a badge. This [ __ ] was crazy, man. I'm giving some flashbacks. This is April of 2020, the peak. And this is in LA or this is this is Sacramento at the California State Capital. And as you can see, we were I was like, I don't know if you were right how you felt when the when the thing first happened. But I was definitely nervous, you know, prevaccine, you know, all that. It was a pretty um unsure time for people. And I think that that caused many to gravitate toward extreme directions. You had people who were like, I'm never going to wear a mask. One guy here had a shirt that said cough in my face and he was saying everybody cough in my face. I don't care who you are, young, sick, old, cough in my face. I will show you. Uh and then you had people who were literally like refusing to go outside of their house. I remember in Seattle w with the community that I grew up with, right? Like if you had a a a picnic at a public park and you had you didn't have a mask on and there was five or more people, somebody would walk by you with their phone, take a picture of you and it would circulate all on social media and it would say this is a super spreader and you could lose your job because of because of that. So there was like a mutual polarization and I would argue that we're still living in 2020. You think people's brains have never recovered, man. I I think the the 5% You're probably right. I know, dude. Think about it, man. like okay so I would actually argue we're still living in the 1960s but if you think '60s you know the divisions that were planted there you know what I mean as far as like red scare and then people's movements being anti it's kind of we're still living if you're breaking it down like that yeah but I think I think the level of fear that you had in 2020 and April you probably don't have today with co oh not the level of fear but I mean the way people perceive politicians in reality is very 2020 coded still to this day even if people don't but they divided America the me the mainstream media divided America in a major way. They they they scared they convinced Americans that Trump was with Russia until they realized Hillary Clinton funded that whole thing. And I think Trump convinced Americans to look at people with masks as like these moronic sheep that are worthy of uh you know harassment. Well, some of them are. Yeah. I mean, I just you don't you don't like for example when when I remember one time Rob, can you put up the picture I posted of the the lady that that was in the car driving? Um I don't know if you have this or not. So during COVID I I used to love watching people um uh let me see if I can find this. Where know let me see if I can find this. This is so funny. If I can find it. But yeah, when I would see guys wearing a freaking mask while they're driving in the car by themselves. Is this me, Rob? Yep. Do it again. Go back to it. Yeah, this is it. That's it. I can tell it's going to be a good one. What are you doing? What do you think? So, this person's not a You weren't a mask in a car by yourself. You think that's normal? The level of responsibility is at the highest level. They don't even want to get themselves sick. But, you know, probably went to Harvard quite frankly. Part of you, doesn't part of you kind of feel bad for those people? No, I don't. You know why? Let me explain to you why. Um, I I don't feel bad because if Yeah, that's the second picture. Rob, if you can put the second picture. I think it's the second one to the left. Top left. That's the one, I think. Click on it. Driving alone. Yeah. This is it. Driving alone with a mask on is like going to bed alone with a condom on. Mhm. Like, what are you afraid of? You're not going to get an STD. But you got to think like they're under algorithmic hypnosis like the other half of the country and they're being told every single day that there's a new variant. They're glued to their phone. Six hours of screen time is like the national average in 2020. So they're constantly being fed this fear stuff much like people on the far right were also being fed a similar type of fear content. Outrage machine. Like what? Like what? Give me the fear on the right. Uh probably Oh my gosh. The Qanon stuff. No, no, not Qanon. Give it to me from like from conservative media like mainstream versus liberal media mainstream. not queuing on people. Oh, I mean that was Antifa people. No, no. I'm just going stick to mainstream media. What the conservative right was saying that was selling fear porn versus what the liberal left was saying selling fear porn. They both sold fear porn, but what was it? I think that the democratic censorship on major social media platforms pushed people in the conservative activist movement into small fringe platforms where where they were being fed Qanon stuff more so than they were mainstream press and that was a direct blowback. I mean, obviously mainstream liberal media at the time was telling people not to go outside to social distance and to be wary of anybody without a mask on. And also there was a the right-wing machine was telling people that you're you were going to turn to a communist country and all your freedoms are going to be taken away. There's a cabal of baby eating pedophiles that are connected to Epstein Island who are controlling the entire world. So there was just mass exaggerations on both sides. That's right. But on the podcast, yes, on the p podcast world when it's coming to uh uh what are you saying the baby eating? What was that? What is the thing called that you drink it, you age backwards? Um, adrenocchrome. Adrenochrome. Right. And so for me, yeah, for sure. Some people saying that kind. That's kind of weird when they say that. I get it. But I'm saying mainstream. Mainstream. On mainstream, if they said if you give up too much control, this could be a step away from communism. It's partly not wrong if you give up too much control. We were told that our kids can't go to school, and you're telling us to stay home for a year and a half. And people left California, New York. Yeah, that's crazy [ __ ] You and I don't know what that is. When you went to school, you didn't have to stay home for a year and a half. Imagine how hard it is on the wife and the mother and mom and the father trying to make the marriage work and pay bills and get the job and you lose the job and you lose the restaurant, you lose the business. That's policies from the left that destroyed all these things. So, they destroyed America for a year and a half. But what did the right do? The right was telling you, don't believe it. Question it. Even libertarians said, "Don't believe it." Even libertarians became incided with Trump. Some of them did die though, like Herman Kaine. Well, some of them did die. Herman Kane. Yeah, there's there are some that died. There's more than just Herman Kane that died. There was a lot more than that. But that's not the point. The point is you have a choice. Mhm. If you drive a car on the freeway, somebody hits you, you're going 100 miles an hour, it's your choice. You kill yourself, you're dead. You're going to you're dead. There's choices that you got to make. But if it's all control, Yeah. You want me to sit you and give you that? By the way, right now, like one of the conversations that's coming up here in the office was about uh um what do you call it? The personal ID. Are you following this? The real ID. Oh yeah, that's like when you go to the airport now, you can't just give them your driver's license or you got to have this real ID with like the star on. Is that what has to do with like the face scanner thing? Right. Right. Like we're going in that direction. Some people are not comfortable with that. Mhm. And these are people that are conservative that are not comfortable with that with Trump that voted for Trump. So, this isn't like just a a community that's allin, like even if I voted for Trump, I'm 100% in. No. Yeah. I think that one of the um like ways that my logic is thinking some is kind of flawed sometimes is that I always have the impression that the conservative side is really united and that everyone's kind of rallying together with their support of Trump and Elon. That's not uh like what are the major points of division right now within the conservative movement? Oh, dude, are you kidding me? Like, holy [ __ ] Uh do you know who Steve Bannon is? Yeah. So, do you know who Howard Lutnik is? Is he connected to Steve? No. Howard Lutnik is um What's What's Howard Lutnik's job, Rob? What's Howard Lutnick? The United States Secretary of Commerce. So, he's a Secretary of Commerce. That's a heavy job. Okay. Steve Bannon, who was a guy that helped Trump at the beginning when he's coming up. Old school. Old school. Like he's a strategy guy, right? Have you seen what Steve Bannon has said about Howard Lutnik? I've only seen what Steve said about Elon, which he's he's like a foreigner or something. Yes. So, the point is there is something going on on the conservative. What's this about, Rob? Uh, this is Steve Bannon. He calls in this clip, he calls Howard Butnik an unmitigated disaster as the Secretary of Commerce. Go for it. Play the clip. a way to have a trading order that puts America first and puts American citizens first and most importantly starts to bring back high value added manufacturing uh to the United States. And no uh Howard Lutnick is not going to all be done by robots. We're not doing this so we can set up so robots have a better life. U in fact I don't know why Lutnik's still doing media. Let me be blunt. Lutnik who is Elon's pick for Secretary of Treasury. I think he's close to being an unmititigated disaster. Uh we should see a lot less of Lutnik on TV, Hasset, Navaro, um Jameson Greer, the trade rep, and particularly Scott Besson. And I think Besson's being very smart in choosing and being very selective on the media. We have to have a clear message and people understand what the process is. And we have a process. It's a very well thought through and this Oh, by the way, Miller should be Steven Miller should be doing more about trade and about this new economic order that we're trying to hammer through. This guy's got a big following by the way. Steve Bannon. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you know CPAC after CPAC who who was number one for presidency for 2028 was who rap? Trump or no JD Vance. I'm sorry. JD Vance was one. Yeah. You know who was 231%? Him. Really? Damn. So there's kind of like different factional leaders within the conservative thought. For sure. There is not 100% unity. No, no, there's not. Which by the way, that's good. But which issue is most divisive? Not just in terms of people they look up to. Well, I mean the the issue that's divisive the the there there is the America first, right? Which is like the people that hey, the policies that makes us first, America first, globalist, right? Nationalist. We're about America versus globalist. There's there's that part. Um, there's a debate on some of these guys that are more they're kind of like part of the establishment side versus the anti-establishment like, "Hey, we voted you in to do these things. How come you're not doing that? How come you're not going after these three or four or five issues that we voted for you for?" So, and then the tariffs, there is a camp in Republican party that's not for the way tariffs are going. Yeah. I was I was at the uh Bernie Sanders rally I told you in Bakersfield. There was a guy there in a MAGA hat and he was like, I just want to hear what Bernie has to say because these tariffs are destroying my business. You said that? Yeah. Well, that would qualify for a paid agitator to to kind of to kind of throw it off. So, that that just cuz you know, just cuz you disagree with him, man. No, but that is the perfect way to confuse the hell out of somebody to come in. You you know how much it cost to do something like that? Hey, I'll give you $200 worth of magad and just go say say this to the guy on the camera. He'll use it. To be fair, I was confused. So, mission success. Yeah. So, what I'm saying to you is that's that effective that a guy that gets billions of views, I don't know how many total views you got. I'm assuming you got hundreds of social media views, if not over a billion. Total social media views. Got 600 million on YouTube. Yeah. Actually, no. In total, I probably have around a billion. No, you got over a billion, bro. On you. Don't count YouTube. You're Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, X, everywhere. So, so you got over a billion views. That work with a guy like you. So, these are the things that we got to be thinking on the Republican side. No, no, it's not it's not what you think it is. So, but all I'm saying is during that time with CO, dude, they they gas lit the they gas lit the hell out of a lot of us mainstream media. Who did you ever do anything where you actually ever have a moment where you were actually scared like, "Holy [ __ ] we got to be careful with this." Were your camera guys were a little worried? Oh, all the time. Where was that? Well, what's the scariest one? I mean, personally, probably getting arrested by Border Patrol. Rob, we have to do this. This can you can you break down what you did here because this is absolutely edgy. Okay. So the the video is called border patrol arrest. So let me first before you watch this let me tell you the purpose. This is when the the border was wide open and there was a big uh you know migrant crisis happening. So I wanted to see what it was like on the Mexican side as far as the final step of actually meeting up with a coyote who was connected to the cartel and crossing the the border specifically over the river because I wanted to get in the water as opposed to be in the hot desert. And so yeah, we did that. I didn't actually I didn't realize that we were going to cross the river until we got there. But then I kind of put two and two together and there was a guy that was collecting tax with a machete that he was like hitting against this tree in the distance and I was like all right [ __ ] why. I got to get out of Mexico. I'm looking at America like oh home free finally. So you know I link arms with the coyote. We cross the river. I get to the American side and I think that I'm good to go. The coyote is like man stay down. Like you know you can still get arrested. like even if you're an American citizen, you can't just hop your own border. And I was like, dude, I can hop my own border. I've been here my whole life. It's fine. So, I I walk up and then I get up and then the Border Patrol agent is like, you know, stand up. I stand up like I've done nothing wrong. And he's like, you know, you just that's a felony, right? And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, you have to go through a port of entry. And I was like, oh [ __ ] my bad. Can I get a ticket or something? And he was like, no, bro. So he took me to a processing center for migrants and uh yeah it was like hund hundreds of them wearing uh space blankets in this freezing room. They make it really cool. Did you record it or they didn't let you record it? I couldn't record this. So we had a a designer do like a 3D animation rendering of it. So I go into the room after being processed and like all the migrants like it was the worst day of their life obviously cuz they've just gotten caught trying to come into the US. We can't hear the audio if you want to mute it because we it made their life seeing a white guy walk into the holding tank. All these guys were having the worst day and they just stand up there just laughing. They're like, "What the hell did you do? What are you doing here?" And I speak Spanish. Do you have the clip of speaking to the coyotes? Uh, yeah. Yeah. Go to the front ramp. Uh, I think speaking to the coies is where? Earlier. Yeah. Okay. Well, um, I would say around the 7 minute mark. Uh, yeah. Earlier or right there? So that's the coyote who I blurred out and he was Go back a little bit, Rob. Go back a little bit. Little because he starts talking. Okay. Right there. Right there. Right there. Wire at all. It's a non-issue. and a distraction designed to create controversy from afar. He says this is the perfect place to cross too [Music] deep. You can see my face. I'm like, this may sound like an amateur. But I didn't realize up until this point that we were actually going to cross the river ourselves. I was expecting just like a tour of their route, but obviously they had other plans. God damn it. It was also going to cost us $5,000. This was not discussed, but I wasn't sure what to do. party. Okay. [Music] At this point, it became quite obvious that I was in far too deep. The coyote told me that after crossing the river, we had to walk from Eagle Pass to Uvaldi, Texas, which is over 67 mi on foot. How would this be possible? According to Apple Maps, it said it would take over 24 hours, and we had no water. Plus, we apparently owed these guys $5,000. Looking back, I would have asked to turn around, but we were in far too deep. And while they're being pretty cool, you never know when a switch could flip or something. Abruptly, the younger coyote asked me to duck down because a border patrol boat was speeding by. How you getting this footage? Uh, we got that from just YouTube. They publish, they do this sweeps every 30 minutes. Okay. Anxiety or no? You look pretty calm. Uh, yeah. The thing is I don't really feel anxiety until like I'm looking at the footage. Like it's funny in the moment I wasn't nervous, but watching this now I'm nervous cuz I realized this is like a bad idea. So, what's about to happen next to you? I'm about to cross the border and get arrested by Border Patrol. Go to the Border Patrol part when he's talking. Do you record when you're talking to Border Patrol? Yeah. Go up. Go. Yeah. Right there. Go back a little bit. Look. Is this it? Okay. Press play. Yeah. This is now in the US. Coyote's telling me to be quiet. That's me right there. Roly poly form. Who is that? Speak English. Hands up. Speak English. Get up. Let me see your hands. Got any guns on you? No, sir. Face away from me. We're journalists. You haven't five grand yet. You too. You speak English? Yeah. Stand up. I couldn't believe it. Border Patrol had been watching us the entire time since we entered the forest. Yeah. I can clearly hear him swimming and set up an ambush on the American side to apprehend us. You two face away from me. Walk backwards over here. Hey. Immediately, my coyotes jumped back into the water, swimming back to Mexico. Come back. Come back over here. Get over here. This left us alone in Border Patrol custody. There was one guy here. He obviously ran back and then the two USC's right there. And watch. He grabs the camera and it's still rolling. He doesn't even realize it's rolling. That's a Border Patrol agent. No [ __ ] That's perfect footage. That's golden, dude. Right. Wow. Look at this. He's doing a great job. You should be a guy. This is pretty much a This is a commercial for the US. This is like These guys are great shooters. Literally. Yeah. Look at this photography. He's holding it like at a perfect eye level here or hip level. And we're sitting in the back of the car there. You can't see us, but come on, bro. Good for you. Should have given him the $5,000. It doesn't get better than that. No. Wow. So, now what happens? You go to jail. Yeah. Well, I went to a processing center and they just held me. This is the one you're with a couple hundred other guys that got caught as well. And they put me in a solitary confinement cell for like 3 days. No. Did somebody say like, "What the what were you thinking?" Yeah. They understood, but like the the immigration court system was so bloated because of the crisis that I couldn't get heard by a judge for like 3 days. As soon as she heard that I was an American citizen, they just gave me a $10,000 fine and dropped me off at a gas station. You paid the fine? Yeah, I paid it. So, you didn't pay the 5,000 to the Coyote, but you paid the 10,000 to the government. I probably should pay the Coyotes back. Yeah. I never thought I Well, listen, man. That guy's probably upset. He's like, "Look, dude. I I did my job." Yeah. Well, to be fair, I mean, I got arrested. They were supposed to help me get into the US. You're not arrested. So, he didn't fulfill his commitment. No, not at all. That's disappointing. That's a good point. Now, you're a businessman. You want things to get done and then I'll pay you. Definitely. I'll think about paying you. But, dude, when it it was horrible in there. It was the most depressing place I've ever seen. What's the worst part about it? Just seeing like little kids covered in water from the Rio Grand with sticks in their hair crying hysterically with their moms as they're being, you know, detained by border patrol and put into freezing rooms where they're just screaming all night. And in my cell, they had a TV and it the movie The Matrix was playing and it was but it was just the loading screen. I couldn't adjust it. So, it was like play special features and it was the same song over and over again. And I finally got the jailer to change it to a different movie and they played the movie Marley and Me, the Owen Wilson film about the dog who passes away, spoiler alert, over and over again. So I had to watch Marley and Me for three [ __ ] days, you know, which is like it was like that. At least it's a decent movie, but I don't know for three days. I know every scene by heart. And so I I get out and my mom calls me and she was like, "You're taking years off my life. You can never do that again." So not when are you going to Iran? Should I go? Well, I mean, listen, if you really want to give your mom three years back, years back to her, you know, go back to Iran. One of the safest places. Are you a fan of Iran? I would love to go back, but if we go to Iran, you would be arrested by guilty of association with me. Oh, they don't like you? No, they don't like me. But they would they would they would entertain you. Your family grew up there like I grew up there. I lived there 11 years. Yeah. I lived after 79. 78 through 89. So, do you have a memory of that transition? Vivid. Jeez. Yeah. I mean, I I remember the war. Maybe not the transition, but I remember the war. I remember what it was like. You think that conditioned your thinking as an adult a lot. Do you think that conditioned like your way of thinking a lot? Just experiencing such a drastic. I value freedom and I'm extremely paranoid with the government having too much power. Mhm. And you know who I had here on the podcast three months ago? I had the Islamic Revolutionary Guard founder. Wow. I had him here. This is a guy whose direct report while they're in a building together, he's on the fourth floor. His direct report's on the first floor of the building in Iran. The direct report goes and puts a bomb, kills the president of Iran and the prime minister. Mhm. And then claims he's dead. This guy claims that his ashes are everywhere. The entire country mourns for the president and the prime minister. you know the the who was the people that they killed rap it was the president and um uh uh uh anyways they killed the two leaders that they have two weeks later they find out the killer's not dead so the ceremony anyways this guy and I have it on uh in our uh podcast we're having a conversation together with them I said what's the first thing you guys did when Kmeni took over Iran he said we had to confiscate everyone's weapons I said why is that he said well it's the natural thing we had to make Iran safer I said so you take the guns away from citizens scare the crap out of them. Now you have the guns. Yeah, that's the part where for a person like me that lived there where I saw what happened with a beautiful country that fell all of a sudden like this because Iranians never thought this was going to happen, ever thought this was going to happen and what's happened to the Middle East since then? It's been a [ __ ] show. What were the main promises that Hamei promised to um to keep as far as like transforming Iran into a different society? You ready? Free food, free rice, really free phones, free gas, free housing. sound like Bernie Sanders. So is the promise of free services without having to work for them. Everything was given. Take the money from the rich and give it to the poor. And I've had heard that message here many many times. You know how many times that's been tried? Many times. It always fails. Why? Because a person eventually gets so much power that power they start abusing. And when they start abusing it's not like hey I can do whatever I want to do. The rest is history. So, you know, for me, I come from a different life that I witness what happened and they got rid of this guy Shaw who made Iran an incredible place to be at where Frank Sinatra performed a concert in Iran in 1975. You probably don't even believe that. No, I do. I mean, the same thing in Havana that was Vegas 2.0. That's what they call the Godfather. That's right. So, similar stories. Iran and Havana is actually good combination. Good comparison. Cuba and Iran. So, do you think there's something about human nature that just, you know, once people hoard a tremendous amount of power, they just naturally gravitate toward corruption and human rights abuses? You planning on having kids one day? Yeah. Okay. It's one of the greatest gifts in life. There's no love like how a kid loves you. Nothing. Not mom, dad, brother, sister, cousin, girlfriend, husband, nothing. Nothing like a kid like li like li like li like li like li like liking you. And you like girls or you like guys? What? Oh, girls. Are you gay or straight? I think girls. I mean, you're pro gay. I thought maybe No, no, no, no. Are you fully you're a girl? I've got a girlfriend. She's a girl. Real human woman. But is she like a girl that guy that identifies as a girl? No, no, no. She's a straightup lady. Hair and everything. Fantastic. Congrats, bro. Part of the same. I'm proud of you. I appreciate the respect with which you asked that question. You're like, "Wait, you support gay marriage? Are you gay?" Listen, you can't assume nowadays, man. That was your number two point. Imagine if you were like, "What's her name?" And I got really offended. Are you serious? Why would you assume? She's a girl and she's probably watching. Yeah. But when you have a kid, let me tell you what'll happen. Uh uh the way you're going, you're going to make a lot of money. Yeah. You're going to make a lot of money. Again, if you don't screw it up, but the way you're going, you're going to have a lot of great opportunities for you because you're likable. You you have that it factor. You got the charm, charisma. You just you're very interesting as well. So, when money comes, probably by the time you're 45, you're going to be worth anywhere between 20 to $200 million. Okay? It's going to be your net worth. Whether you like it or not, that's going to be your net worth. be higher, but that's a number that you're going to have, right? You're not going to just say, "Hey kids, when you turn 18 years old, mommy and daddy's going to give you all the money." You're going to put some controls in place, right? I'm going to make them work a regular job. Thank you. Yeah. So, that's the part they're going to have to earn a way to go while daddy worked. Daddy put his life on the line, went to Mexico, and freaking tried to swim over and almost got killed. That's work. That's not easy. You risk a lot of things, right? to me. Um, a part of that with here where we are, um, I think we got to be, you know, the the system of socialism and some of the ideas that they had. It's tough if we don't expect people to have to earn it themselves and kind of give things out away to them without having to earn it. It's a it's a troubling place to be. It's a challenging place to be. And I'm overly paranoid if we do end up getting there one day. That's very reasonable given your life experience. Yeah. And that's the and that's the part, you know, and I kind of wanted to know what your what your family life was when you said your parents used to be conservatives. Your father was conservative. Oh, no. My parents were never I mean, so I grew up in Philadelphia. I moved to Seattle when I was 12. But um my grandparents were you know fiscally conservative Reagan era like but you got to think too their parents were um you know World War II veterans who after the GI Bill were able to build homes in suburbia. And so the baby boomers were the first suburban generation who got to experience that life with no wars until Vietnam. But there was a solid 15 20 years of real American prosperity for them where that where everybody with a good job was able to afford a house and live a fulfilling life. Uh my parents were um probably a little bit more conservative oriented when I was really young. But I think that the war in Iraq really transformed their perception. Uh the war on terror post 911. I think the early war on drugs and you know US intervention in Latin America as well really changed their perspective on things. So they were big-time al Gore vegetarians. Um, even today they're not very political, but my early political thinking was definitely more progressive. Uh, when I moved to Seattle, I started hanging out with a bunch of like anarchists and more left-wing circles in high school. I went to school in the South. I went to New Orleans for college and I got to know a lot more conservativeleaning people, learned about you, the Second Amendment and stuff like that and got more exposure. And now I've lived on the road and, you know, between different cities for a long time. So, I'm definitely, like I said, more left-leaning, but I'm uh very uh open to all perspectives. And also, I think that most people are generally well-intentioned. And I think that also as a country, what we need to be able to do is let some of the stubbornness go a little bit. You know, when you've committed to a certain way of thinking for a long time, it's very it's kind of an ego blow to change your mind. And I think that's kind of where we're at where a lot of people don't want to accept new information or different ideas because they've committed and they have so much emotion and passion behind this way of thinking that they've kind of nursed for a long time. And so, like I said, if something positive happens in the next four years, I'll report on it. Uh, I just know that maybe communism, socialism isn't the way to go. Probably not. I don't know. I just know that what's happening right now isn't really functioning that well. And so, I think that's why there's so many different political ideas happening right now. This in in my opinion, there's more diversity of political thought now than there's been ever. And guess what? I love that. Yeah. That's why I say I'm excited about what you're going to be doing. I think you're very important and I think you're going to inspire a lot of younger guys that are going to want to do what you're doing as well that are interested. My 13-year-old son would be fascinated by you. Yeah. Literally, my 13-year-old son would have a 30-minute conversation with you and enjoy it because of where you're at. There's a lot of guys nowadays that going to look up to you. 12-year-old kids that are looking up to what you're doing cuz it's entertaining. It sounds fun. It's a little edgy, but also you're in pursuit of something. Let me see what they're going through. Anyways, do you want to tell us about the documentary before we wrap up? Dear Kelly, uh, Dear Kelly was my first independently released film. I did it direct to streamer, dropped on January 15th of this year. And so the whole thing was I didn't want to go through a studio. I wanted to just drop it. So you can rent it for $555 or buy it for 15 and 555 at www. dearkelly.com. It was a project that I've been working on for a really long time. It's kind of a project about radical right-wing stuff during the uh the Biden years, not so much now, you know. And it's it's an interesting angle though. Yeah. Yeah. That the the if you want to tell the audience who the individual that influenced you at a time that you needed. Yeah. So Kelly J. Patriot Kelly Johnson is the protagonist of the film and he's someone that I documented over the course of three and a half or four years. I first met him at a White Lives Matter rally in 2021 and I just he's instantly his story resonated with me because he was kind of spouting off the typical talking points of that time, you know, like Fouch's evil, Jeffrey Epstein, Suz Canal's block, child trafficking, all the 2021 flashoint stuff. And then the second part of our conversation was all about a personal vendetta that he had against a guy who gave him a loan named Bill Joiner who was like this guy who he took a loan from and he Kelly felt like he got his home stolen because of the situation. And I felt it was so interesting seeing how his personal vendetta and the collapse of his core needs bled into a greater spiritual political battle in the country. And so the documentary itself is documenting um his journey throughout the course of these four years as well as his family's uh intervention attempts to get him to turn the page. What a what a timing to follow him for three and a half years. Yeah, I think the best documentaries in my opinion are the ones that are shot over a long period of time. It's very hard to create an amazing compelling piece of documentary work when you only have three or three and a half months with a subject. I mean, you can make it entertaining. You can add music and supplemental media to make it pop, but time is the true essence of a great film. I agree. And that's why I'm excited to follow your journey. Yeah. And I I look forward to having you on next time to see what you're going through. Uh, and and by the way, for those of you that are not watching, you're listening, we're going to put the link below in the description, but those listening, it's dear kellyfilm.com. Again, dear like da Kelly as in k a k lyilm.com. dearkelly.com. Rob, put the link below as well for them to go watch if you love. Oh, we just hit 3 million subscribers. Oh, congratulations, buddy. That's sick. He just said it right before the podcast. We're 50 away. Boom. 3 million subscribers. 3 million subscribers on 149 videos. That's a good feeling. Sick. Congratulations to you and happy early birthday. So again, go to the site, support him, Andrew, it's been a pleasure having you on. This was amazing. Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate Appreciate you for coming on and I look forward to doing this again in the future. Yeah, I'll see you when I'm 35. I look forward to it. Take care, buddy. Thanks, man. Take care. Nowadays, more than ever, the brand you wear reflects and represent who you are. So for us, if you wear a future looks bright hat or a value tamement gear, you're telling the world, I'm optimistic. I'm excited about what's going to be happening. But you're a freethinker. You question things. You like debate. And by the way, last year 120,000 people got a piece of future looks bright gear with value tamement. We have so many new things. The cuff links are here. New future looks bright. This is my favorite, the green one. Just yesterday, somebody placed an order for a hundred of these. If you watch the PBD podcast, you got a bunch to choose from. White ones, black ones. 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