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The podcast features a candid discussion between hosts regarding the current state and trajectory of Red Pill content, with one host arguing that much internet material has a shelf life of two to four years before becoming obsolete. The speaker attributes the decline in relevance for this genre partly to the imprisonment of Andrew Tate, noting that his pre-trial detention removed significant publicity from the movement. Furthermore, he criticizes the stagnation of Red Pill content strategies, observing that many shows recycle identical topics such as body count importance, female hypergamy, and male loneliness over extended periods. This repetitive approach has led to a situation where specific questions become predictable memes within the community, often utilizing logical fallacies like "all roads lead to Rome," where any outcome is twisted to fit pre-existing narratives regardless of reality. A central theme of the conversation involves the cognitive dissonance inherent in these predictive models, illustrated by how proponents rationalize Andrew Tate's legal troubles as a sham that would have played out exactly according to their script whether he was charged or acquitted. The speaker contrasts this rigid worldview with genuine evolutionary psychology and intersexual dynamics, which remain fascinating despite being frequently dismissed by the movement. He points out instances where women are in relationships with men who defy traditional Red Pill metrics—such as those perceived as hypogamous rather than hypergamous—not because of wealth or height, but simply because they are nice guys seeking families. This reality challenges the simplistic blueprints often promoted within these circles and suggests that human behavior is more complex than static gender war theories allow. The dialogue also shifts to contemporary sociological factors influencing modern dating landscapes, specifically highlighting a political skew where young women lean left while young men lean right. Since most people date within their own political affiliations, this divide creates significant friction in the relationship market, with data indicating that 30% of Democratic parents fear their children marrying Republicans. The speaker argues against simply hammering away at old points without adapting to these new angles or addressing how parental pressure and shifting cultural values impact dating pools. He emphasizes that continuing to lecture men on becoming "top one percenters" through extreme wealth accumulation is ineffective advice for navigating a world where women are financially independent and do not need traditional male providers in the same way they once did. Ultimately, the speaker concludes that much of the Red Pill movement fails because it prescribes solutions based on a non-existent past rather than offering practical navigation strategies for the modern era. He criticizes the tendency to blame feminism or birth control for societal issues while ignoring how women's desires and priorities have evolved independently of male status symbols like money, height, or fitness. The discussion underscores that effective advice must address current realities where relationships are formed on different grounds than in previous decades, rather than urging a return to outdated norms. By failing to adapt their content strategies and acknowledging these complex shifts, the movement risks becoming irrelevant again as it clings to narratives that cannot explain the nuanced dynamics of today's dating world.
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do you think the red pill is dying
that's something that both of us have
spent a little bit of time orbiting in
one form or another either you debating
it or me getting abused by it what do
you think is happening with the red pill
at the moment I think most stuff has
like a probably like a two to four year
shelf life for internet content and I
think it kind of came and it kind of
went Andrew Tate and the uh the
pre-trial or pre- indictment
imprisonment probably hurt a bit because
it took away a lot of the publicity I
think that the the nature of like the
conversations for the red pill stuff I
think was really bad um I think the like
the content strategy from a lot of the
red pillars I think was very subpar um
how
so uh like for me the way that I've
stayed fresh and relevant for 15 years
of content creation is because I'm
always finding like new stuff to talk
about or a new angle to kind of like hit
something from or like I'm kind of
moving on with contemporary events I
feel like for red pill stuff I feel like
I could have written the script for
those shows after being on two of them
um to where it's like okay guys today
we're going to talk about does body
count matter do guys value you for the
amount of money that you make do women
[ __ ] over men and divorce
are men lonely because they're simps it
was like the same topics for like over a
year such that it became like a meme
where when I would show up on a show
some my f would do like Bingo cards of
like okay well when is the body count
question coming up hyam or yeah hyper
are women hypergamous or not and then
it's like and then and then it and it's
funny because like the questioning would
always there's a fallacy called all
roads lead to Rome I think if there's
not there should be one we're basically
literally no matter how somebody answers
a question it always goes back to what
you wanted to so I I might say to a girl
have you ever dated a guy you say you
don't care if guys if you ever dated a
guy that's 55 and the girl might be like
no I haven't cuz you hate short guys you
know you won't and she's like oh no okay
have you ever dated a GU this 55 yes I
have oh when uh when I was in a high
school actually dat a GU this 55 really
are you together anymore with him well
no oh you dumped him because he was a
short King right like yeah or it's like
are you dating a guy that's five like
yeah I am now it's like oh really is he
Rich uh no he's not that rich does he
have a huge dick yeah his dick is pretty
big oh hypergamous you just want the
pool boy that you're probably going to
you know find a rich guy and still [ __ ]
like there's always a Andrew Tate
actually is the perfect uh example of
the all roads lead to Rome okay when
Andrew Tate had the pre-trial
imprisonment there were never going to
be charges because it was all a scam it
was just a sham uh kangaroo court now
that there are charges if if there
wouldn't have been charges and he would
have been released with no charges no
indictment it was because obviously it
was a scam right but now that there are
charges well obviously because it's a
scam of course they're going to make up
charges so now they're going to go to
court and if they go to court and they
get uh if they go to court and they beat
the charges it's because it was [ __ ]
the whole time but if they go to CH uh
go to court and they're convicted well
it's because it's [ __ ] the whole
time they were going to make it up all
way so literally no matter what happens
it's always because of your particular
prediction of the world so you end up
with these prediction models that will
predict every single event which means
they don't actually predict anything but
it allows you to escape the cognitive
dissonance of your predictive model not
being correct so you don't have to worry
if you've got a good view like a good
blueprint of the world because literally
no matter what happens you've always got
a way to make sense of it in the future
well this is why that four step process
of when was the last time someone
publicly admitted that they were wrong
when was the last time they surprised
you if someone came out and had a
discussion about this was like do you
know what you know what it is I actually
think that a lot of the time I do
actually see girls in relationships with
guys that hypogamous I wouldn't predict
that they were in a relationship with
that guy just seems to have game it's
not really about the fact that he's tall
or fit or rich or has status or or any
of these things he just seems to be like
a really nice guy and she wants to have
a family and he ends up being you
go I wasn't expecting that
I wasn't expecting that that was
something that would have surprised me
you think okay well that shows an
evolution of talking points but I don't
know how many times and this is why you
know
I've still fascinated in evolutionary
psychology and intersexual and Inter
seexual Dynamics and all of that stuff
it's still very interesting to me but
the whole
like lambasting women for having
standards that are too high that that
never was something that really crossed
my world of content creation but even
now it's okay so what like like what
else is happening how can here's an
interesting angle here's a much more
interesting angle for me for something
that's contemporary and new this uh skew
of young girls to the left and the skew
of young guys young guys to the right
given the fact that most people date
within their political affiliation and
because politics are becoming more
important to each individual person now
that's interesting that's like a new
okay so what do we do where's this
coming from and what does this mean 30%
of democrat parents are afraid that
their son or daughter would marry a
republican that's in so what what about
like parental pressure how does that
play into it that's you can keep talking
about the same thing but do it with a
different angle on it continuing to just
hammer away in the same points I know
it's just fair play if you have that
degree of patience maybe to be able to
just have the same conversation a
thousand times but it's a I don't I
don't have that in my toolbox the
description is boring the descriptive
part because yeah it's the same thing
over and over again and then the
prescripted part is boring because for a
lot of these movements um people don't
actually give you good advice to kind of
navigate it sometimes unless you can
become a top one percenter instead what
they try to prescribe is like a world
that doesn't exist anymore like this is
no good because women have birth control
because women are you know earning money
and blah blah blah blah blah it's like
okay well that's not changing so you
have to give advice for the world that
exist now not tell guys you have to
become a top one percenter you need to
earn so much [ __ ] money that the
traditional girls or whatever will go
back to liking you it's it's never
advice geared towards well how do you
navigate the modern world where women
don't need men as much where women are
looking for different things in
relationships how do you navigate that
it's just like we need to go back to the
the days of old and everything is messed
up now because of feminism and
complaining and blah blah blah blah blah
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