“This Is What a Modern Civil War Looks Like” — The ICE Shooting That Changed Everything

Guys, a tragic game of fap fap unfolded when a woman in Minneapolis was shot dead by an ICE agent when she attempted to flee in her SUV. This kind of stuff drives me crazy. Video evidence shows that she may have hit the officer with her vehicle as he opened fire. The shooting has ignited a national firestorm over immigration enforcement, federal power, and local control. It happened on Wednesday morning, January 7th. 37-year-old Renee McCollum Good, a US citizen and mother of three, was shot and killed by the ICE agent during a large-scale operation in Minneapolis. The operation targeted alleged fraud in the Somali American community and involved over 2,000 agents and had nothing to do with Good. Apparently, Good was simply someone who hates ICE and was allegedly attempting to alert locals to the raid. Now, for my money, it is obvious that Good should not have tried to flee and it's obvious that the officer should not have shot her. But apparently, the agent that shot her, identified as Jonathan Ross, had previously been hit by another person fleeing an immigration raid. He got his arm pinned to the vehicle and was hospitalized after being dragged by the car for roughly 100 yards back in June of 2005. This whole thing is so unnecessarily tragic and is a result of the escalating tensions between Americans. If people want to know what a modern civil war looks like, it looks like this [ __ ] Barricades have gone up in Minneapolis creating autonomous zones reminiscent of the CHAZ in Seattle. That didn't [ __ ] work out. These aren't going to work out. Everyone right now is picking a side and everyone is so convinced that they're right. They believe that the side of the political aisle that they didn't vote for is completely illegitimate to the point that they will obstruct and resist and put themselves in harm's way. Now, listen, we have a Second Amendment for a reason, and that reason is to resist a tyrannical government. So, if Good felt like she was prepared to pay with her life to resist the government, so be it. But, that means that she, and I'm sure many others, have completely given up on democracy, and I for one do not think that we are anywhere near that. This whole thing is just absolutely heartbreaking. After watching the video like a dozen times, I do not think the officer should have shot, but it is ultra high risk to flee in a vehicle when federal agents have their gun drawn and are surrounding your car. What are you doing? Put your hands up. Comply. Use the media. Use the political system to have your voice be heard. If people really think we have already crossed the line where you need to resist the federal government, we are in for a world of hurt. You don't have to look far around the world to see how bad things can get. So, I would say this is a time everybody needs to calm down. Now, I get it. This incident is going to be hotly debated for years to come, but federal officials, including Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and President Trump, say the shooting was self-defense. They claim Good weaponized her vehicle to run over Ross, and I'm telling you, looking at the video footage, it's going to be easy to make that case. It'll be debated, but there's enough there. They're even going so far as to call it an act of interference or even domestic terrorism. Local witnesses characterize the story differently, of course. They say Good posed no immediate threat. I would agree with that. Uh the street was icy, and her movement seemed like an attempt to leave. That seems very obvious to me, rather than an attack. Experts note that conflicting orders were being given by the officers surrounding the vehicle. That's going to add to the confusion. They were reaching into the vehicle without clear cause. That can escalate situations unnecessarily. This all just seems like one big [ __ ] but this is exactly how these things get out of control. Now, we're going to see how intense the fallout gets, but protests have erupted nationwide with thousands marching in the rain chanting against ICE, and some even barricading streets. If you guys haven't heard the stuff coming out of uh New York, we have a clip. We'll play it in a second. Uh but calling for Kristi Noem to be hung, saying save a life, kill ICE. I mean, it is escalating in a very dark way. Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has been vocal disputing the federal narrative as propaganda, uh and he's calling it verifiably false. He called the ICE presence a reckless mobilization that's not keeping people safe and demanded state involvement in the probe. When the FBI took over the investigation and cut out the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, Walz expressed deep doubt about a fair outcome saying it feels very, very difficult that we will get a fair outcome. He even put the National Guard on notice as a precaution and urged the Trump administration to leave Minnesota alone and give us a break. This is a dangerous escalation, boys and girls. Walz says his stance is about protecting his state, ensuring transparency, but many see it as intentional misdirection from the massive fraud that is in fact being perpetrated in his state, and it is entirely possible that he is involved in it in some way. We will see. That needs to play out in a court of law, but it's not looking good. And in a divided country, words like what he's speaking can be interpreted not only as stoking division, but many are accusing Walz of full-blown insurrection. We're going to follow this story closely uh as the investigation unfolds into whether or not this was a justified shooting. Right now, you've got VP JD Vance saying that not only is this justified, but that the ICE agent is protected by absolute immunity because he was acting in service of his role as a federal agent. Now, from what I can tell doing some research, that is an overstatement to say the least. Legally speaking, absolute immunity is a known term, and it is a total shield from lawsuits or charges usually for high-level officials like presidents or judges as we saw in the recent Supreme Court ruling. Uh for federal law enforcement agents like ICE agents, it's what's known as qualified immunity, which is very different than absolute immunity. And that means that Ross is protected from civil suits if his actions didn't violate a clearly established right that any reasonable officer would know. In criminal cases, the Supreme the supremacy clause can block state prosecutions if the act was necessary and proper to federal duties, but it is not automatic or absolute. So, experts like legal scholar Steve Vladick is pushing back on Vance's claims on X saying that his use um Vance's use of absolute is misleading because state charges from Minnesota could still happen if evidence shows uh that excessive force was used. Former prosecutor Dave Arenberg told CNN that qualified immunity might hold in court, but calling it absolute ignores nuances like video evidence of conflicting commands being given by the different uh the different agents that were surrounding Good's vehicle, and that there was no clear imminent threat. No charges have been filed yet, but the DOJ is reviewing. So, man, this one this one's going to get wild. People are looking for that spark. >> I want to jump over to Jessica Tarlov on Fox News where she actually broke down what immunity meant um and kind of reading what is a justified shooting. >> So, she is in such severe crisis that she can be polite in traffic and say, "You go ahead." And then you hear her actually audibly saying, "I'm pulling out." Right? She She signals exactly what she's doing. She starts to move forward and everyone should go and watch that. New York Times has about 3 and 1/2 minutes of footage coming from every angle and this is what they brought up to President Trump when they were meeting with him last night when he said, uh, "You know, the officer, the brave officer." And after he tweeted, I I it's hard to believe that the officer is is alive when he walked away completely unscathed. We can see that on video as well. But, the footage contradicts the administration on almost every level of what they've said. Renee Good was waving the vehicle by. The officer was to the side of the car when he drew the gun. He leaned over the hood for the first shot. You can see that on the angle, too. Then he fired two more shots at arm's length on a 90° angle. And it almost doesn't matter, actually, what she was doing because she didn't have another weapon. D- According to DOJ policy, which they should be in compliance with, it says, "Deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect. Firearms must be discharged at a moving vehicle unless a person is threatening deadly force by other means than the vehicle, and no other means of defense exist, including moving out of the path." He could clearly move out of the path because he did, and that's why he was unscathed in this. I don't know why it wasn't good enough for Secretary Noem or the President or the Vice President to say, "This is a tragedy. We need to investigate this." >> Does this kind of change your interpretation of it or have >> This doesn't change my interpretation of this at all. That is my interpretation of this. He should not have fired. That is so obvious watching this over and over and over. >> Mhm. >> Now, the argument's going to be made, "Listen, this was a dude that was dragged down the road in another incident just like this, so he knows how deadly this can be." And I get that, and this is one of those things where th- this is a tragedy. I am not clocking this guy as just somebody who's out here looking for any excuse to shoot somebody. Now, look, investigate the guy. Maybe he does have a long-standing history of using his firearm inappropriately, in which case [ __ ] him, go to jail. But, watching the video and knowing that this is somebody who's been in another altercation with a vehicle like this, got his arm pinned, they drug him 100 yards down the road, I get why this guy would uniquely think, "No, no, no, this really is a weapon. She's weaponizing her vehicle against me." So, my critique to her is first of all, this is a federal agency. Once you decide that you're going to stand in defiance of a federal agency, which by the way, as citizens, we should all reserve the right to stand in defiance of a federal agency, but we need to understand what that means. You are saying, "I'm willing to put my life on the line, and I believe this thing is so justified and the government is so unjust that I'm prepared to die for this." And I'm just saying, I think she misread that situation so grotesquely that have your voice heard, 1,000%. Use the political machinery, 1,000%. You still live in a country that has freedom of speech, you are going to have your opportunity to say the things that you need to say. But, as a mother of three, to put your life at risk at this stage of what is early innings from where I'm sitting of an actual civil war in slow motion, uh it's not time. It's not time. Look, there are lines that the government could cross where I'd be like, "Yep, this is what the Second Amendment is for." I'm just saying, we're not there yet. Democracy has not broken down yet. Do I get nervous? Yes. But, man, this is the kind of tragedy that plays out when you're like, "This is the moment. This is where I'm like, I don't have to listen to you. I can drive my car off if I want to." I'm just like, "Listen, I have been roughed up by the police. I know what that moment is like. I know the adrenaline." I I'm sure I've told this story before, but speed run was in a friend's apartment. She was gone. I was alone. Police knock on the door. They say they got a 911 call from inside the apartment. I know that can't be true because I'm alone. Nonetheless, they they don't battering ram the door down, but I tried to like peek out to see if it was really cops. They smashed the door, send me flying, grab me, throw me up against the bar, hands behind my backs, guns drawn. You better hope that everybody in this apartment's okay, like the whole nine. And what did I do? I complied the [ __ ] out of their commands. I was like, "Listen, I know they're wrong." And yes, does it hurt to be thrown around, have your arms yanked? Is it scary to have guns drawn? Yes. But do you [ __ ] comply? Yes. You deal with like whatever this is going to be down the road if I'm like, "Hey, everything they did was wrong and bad and I'm going to pursue it." But Jesus, man, you don't drive off. So, yeah, this is where people you turn the engine off. You chill. And it's like if you're getting conflicting reports, keep your hands visible and empty. And so, this one is just stupid. It's stupid all around. Clearly from where I'm sitting a bad shot. >> I think first off, it's a tragedy cuz there's a child that's now orphaned. And as a father, I empathize with that 110%. >> if she didn't have kids, it's a loss of life. >> It I just want to It's >> important to start there, though, because I think a temporary situation has now led a permanent This kid's life is changed forever now. >> Forever. And I think she has three kids. >> So, that's the first thing. Before we even get into the minutia of the video. The second thing is too often times we we expect the victim to be more composed than the trained professional. It is your job. You signed up. You got the 50K signing bonus. You decided you want to become a part of ICE agents. You decided you want to go and raid neighborhoods, that's completely fine, you have that jurisdiction. But, it's also your uh responsibility to deal with your PTSD. It's your responsibility to deal with your itchy trigger finger. It doesn't matter what video you you show me, it doesn't matter what angle it is, to kill somebody who's an American citizen while you are immigration enforcement officer, doesn't make sense. >> To kill an immigrant, to kill an illegal immigrant, it's all crazy. >> Yeah, but at least if it was like it was a bunch of illegals running around and I had to Maybe I can twist my arm and be like, "Okay, kind of okay, you were scared." Maybe. >> This is don't bad shoot. I want to be very clear. That to me, I'm not part of the investigation, I'm a guy commenting on the internet. Cool. Maybe in the fullness of time we learn something and we're all like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, great shot." Right now, this looks like a terrible shot, he shouldn't have taken it. Absolutely horrible. Uh deep problem. My PSA is to all of us citizens. >> Mhm. >> Pick your moment carefully when you decide that you were going to resist the federal government and say that they are an an unjust force because that has real consequences. >> Mhm. >> And because I worry that we could at some point, we're not there yet, but I don't think, "Yay, let's make sure that we all calm down." Uh and that we never find ourselves there. But, there are things the government could do where it's like, "Yeah, and now we do have to stand up." So, I worry that you've got people that don't really think about the consequences. The wife gets out of the car, she's filming it all, they're not thinking you're about to get shot and killed. Uh they're thinking this is good content, they're thinking that we're just and you're wrong, and they're not thinking this is insanely dangerous. >> Mhm. >> At least that's how I'm reading it. Maybe they knew it was dangerous. Maybe they've talked endlessly about no, we we can't let the tyrannical US government be like this anymore. We need to start a revolution. Maybe that's where they're at. But woo, man, like when you take that step, you really better be committed because when you get into dangerous situations, even as unjust as this shooting seems to me, >> Mhm. >> um it didn't have to play out. She could have made her point without putting herself in this kind of danger. Again, that's not me letting the cop off the hook or saying that this is all her fault. I'm just saying, I beg of everybody that can hear my voice right now, you can't control the cops, but you can control yourself. So, given that you can control yourself and I identify as one of you, that's where all of my words are going to go. I don't identify as a federal agent. I don't think that I'm going to be able to sway the federal agency. >> Mhm. >> But people that hear my voice right now can hear, "Hey, know what your line is. Wha- Where does it become second amendment time?" If we're not there, don't put yourself in this kind of situation because it gets so dangerous. And I don't think people are being honest about how dangerous these situations get. And so, yeah, just please, boys and girls, be careful. >> This is America. The Trayvon Martin thing. George Zimmerman followed a kid, beat him up, and said, "My life is threatened." And he got off. So, the whole like stand your ground like he's going to get off. He's not going to get prosecuted. This is going to be a nothing burger in 2 weeks. My frustration now is that no matter what happens, it's always, "Oh, law enforcement listen to them, they're fine. Lean back in your chair." And for certain situations, I can say that. If they were in the south side of Chicago and a bunch of gang members were firing back, then oh yeah, I'm not saying ho- throw out pepper spray and taze and say, "Hey guys, put your guns down so I can come arrest you." I can understand if there was a a bunch of illegal people flying in all different directions and they were all former gang members from Minnesota and you have to get a little little physical. I can understand all these situations. But, I don't see anywhere in this video that you can kill people. Like, it just it didn't make sense to me. >> But, we both agree. So, I want to make sure because I feel like you keep coming back to that argument. >> Yeah. >> Uh we're on the same page. So, now >> I I I think I think the difference is is that you're like, she should have just stopped and waited to comply for all these things. >> Clearly. And only a fool puts themselves in this situation and doesn't comply. >> in that statement I can equate it to she shouldn't have had a mini skirt. That's why you the guy follows you into the alley and took advantage of you. And I think that it's like victim blaming. Like, she should have did this thing. When she didn't have the gun, she would let two cars pass. She was about to then drive off cuz she let the cars pass that was blocking. So, she completed she stopped obstructing at that point. Was ready to kind of get out of the way, but then she still got shot. >> Have you heard about those people God, I forget the couple. It was something like they spent all this time raising money for people forgive me if I get the countries wrong. Raising money for people in Afghanistan and then they actually went to Afghanistan at one point and tried to hike across and they were murdered. >> I haven't heard it, but I got to speed right through it. Yeah. >> roughly maybe it's not Afghanistan, but an equally high-risk country that's very dangerous. >> Mhm. >> Um at what point do we go, "Hey, probably shouldn't have gone there." Get the intentions. Get that you want to show people that they're people, too. But, also reality is it's a hyper dangerous area and something bad might happen to you. I'm not trying to victim-blame, but I am trying to say you have dramatically increased your risk of a bad thing happening to you by going and doing that. I'm not saying it's okay that they did it. I'm just saying, "Damn! Like, there there are situations that you can do a risk assessment of ahead of time and go, is this the right risk assessment?" So, I want to make sure that you and I don't become ships passing in the night. I'm trying to pin you down on policy cuz at some point this has to be written as a set of words that can be read in a court of law and if the set of words that can be read in the court of law are only pull your gun when you feel like your life is truly in danger, you're going to get some percentage of these shootings and this is why people get so wound up. So, it's never going to stop because it is a high-risk situation with humans wielding deadly weapons. You put those things together and there will be some percentage of people getting shot. Now, can we improve it over time with better training, better selection, paying people better? Yeah, probably and I'm certainly not saying that what we have is the peak of what this is ever going to be. But, I'm saying when you put people in this kind of situation, it is it is a very high-risk situation. And so, some percentage of the time people are going to get shot. Now, the one to me that is the most horrifying of all time and it [ __ ] haunts my dreams is the guy something Tampa or something like that. And he's in a hallway and there's like three cops have guns drawn on him. God, we could probably find this. But, in fact, if anybody in the chat knows who I'm talking about. And they're telling him like like really weird things like lift your legs, put your legs down, put your head behind your head and turn it all around. It was so confusing. I was listening and I'm just like [ __ ] watching a YouTube video and I was like [ __ ] what are they asking him to do? And he moves his hand too fast and they shoot him dead. And I was like, goddamn. Like that [ __ ] was so terrifying. Because he was mistaken for somebody else, like it didn't have anything to do with him. He doesn't even know what's going on. There was no way for him to avoid that situation cuz he was just walking down a [ __ ] hall. And all of a sudden, they're looking for somebody else, they come across him and he's trying to a [ __ ] I like I don't know what you want me to do, but I'm really freaking out. He was laying face down when they shot him. Absolutely wild. So, it's one of those where okay, if we know that this kind of thing can happen anywhere, just wrong place at the wrong time. Don't put yourself into an even worse situation. I'm not trying to shame her, blame her. I'm just saying, we as a country are increasingly deciding where the line is for the Second Amendment. I understand this is not the argument you're making and it's very difficult cuz we're both very um animated about two separate issues that are in some way colliding right here. Uh my thing is unfortunately, we're at a position where people are making a decision >> Mhm. >> as to whether they think the US government has crossed over into illegitimacy. Because of that, there's going to be escalating violence against agents of the federal government. Some outright violence. >> Mhm. >> Uh obviously, we've already seen um I think it was in DC, the um I don't know what agency they were part of, but they got shot. Uh we've seen attacks on ICE all over the place. So, this is escalating. It is only going to escalate further. And so, my PSA is uh these things can turn deadly very fast. So, make sure that you're willing to that it matters so much to you that you're actually willing to put your life on the line. Otherwise, comply, stay calm. These things are scary and dangerous by their nature. I do not trust anybody's training. Um >> period. >> Um