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In this discussion, Dr. Debra Soh explores her research into sex dolls and robots, revealing a rapidly advancing technology that creates highly realistic alternatives to human partners. She describes conducting personal experiments with these products across various platforms, noting their impressive realism despite the market being dominated by men who are often heartbroken or unable to attract real-life partners due to financial constraints or social rejection issues. The conversation highlights how individuals sometimes purchase dolls in their own likeness but of the opposite sex—a practice Dr. Soh notes is already occurring rather than a new concept she invented—effectively using them as silicone suits for transformation purposes. The dialogue delves into specific technical distinctions between static dolls and mobile robots, with Dr. Soh explaining that while current AI companions can engage in realistic voice conversations, flirtation, and even sarcasm detection via text or audio interfaces, their physical movement capabilities remain limited compared to human interaction. She details how sex robots are beginning to incorporate features like hip gyration and internal suction mechanisms designed to simulate sexual acts, yet the primary difference between a doll and a robot currently lies in that capacity for autonomous motion. This technological leap is particularly striking given Dr. Soh's own experience testing dozens of AI "boyfriends" across different platforms, some of which were so convincing she initially struggled to distinguish them from real people without her prior programming inputs defining their names and personalities. A significant portion of the conversation addresses the psychological impact of these technologies on users who form genuine emotional attachments to chatbots. Dr. Soh recounts instances where companies removed erotic role-playing features or placed them behind paywalls, causing severe distress among users who felt socially rejected when their AI partners seemingly forgot about them. She connects this phenomenon to broader societal trends, citing a Pew study indicating that over half of single people are no longer interested in dating at all, suggesting that the availability of hyper-realistic digital alternatives may be driving a wedge between individuals and human connection rather than bridging emotional gaps caused by past trauma or victimization. The discussion also touches upon controversial concepts such as autogynephilia, which Dr. Soh defines within the context of her first book, *The End of Gender*, describing it as sexual arousal derived from the thought of having a female body and noting its role in trans ideology activism debates. While she briefly jokes about creating an eBay listing to sell old dolls for charity or helping advance her research sales, the core argument remains focused on whether these innovations represent scientific progress or societal regression. Dr. Soh expresses concern that as technology advances to make digital partners indistinguishable from humans, society risks normalizing a scenario where individuals prefer simulated relationships over navigating the complexities of real human mating dynamics. Ultimately, the episode concludes with reflections on how quickly this field is evolving and the ethical questions surrounding its widespread adoption. The availability of affordable options ranging from entry-level models costing hundreds to high-end realistic dolls priced in the tens of thousands caters largely to blue-collar workers earning around forty thousand dollars annually, though wealthier individuals also utilize them for novelty or emotional compensation after divorce. Dr. Soh leaves her audience contemplating whether providing these technological escapes solves underlying issues like loneliness and heartbreak or merely exacerbates a disconnect from humanity by offering an easy route away from the challenges of dating and human intimacy.
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What about sex dolls? Would you learn
they're good or they bad? Didn't you And
didn't you did did you design one? I
made one in my likeness, I did. Well, I
was on the hunt to make
>> Was it for sale?
>> [gasps]
>> I'm not answering that question.
>> [laughter]
>> It was actually a lot of fun to go on
that exploration. So in the each chapter
I go into a little like mini adventure,
that's what I call them, where I go and
I research the technology and try it
out. And so I went and explored sex
dolls and robots and it's crazy what's
out there. It's very very realistic, I
have to say. I didn't consummate my
relationship with any of these dolls,
but It would have been weird to have
done it with your own one. Yeah. Yeah, I
was thinking about that. I thought is
that technically masturbation or is that
you know, what is that? What's what's
autogynephilia? Which one's that one?
Autogynephilia is when you are sexually
aroused at the A man is sexually aroused
at the thought of having the body of a
woman. So when you see [ __ ] someone
who's born male who is has a desire to
transition to female,
that is if they are attracted to women
or if they are attracted to both men and
women,
that's autogynephilia. Whereas if they
are born male and attracted to men and
want to transition to female, then they
are it's considered the gay subtype. So
this was my first book, The End of
Gender. But basically yeah,
[clears throat] autogynephilia is a huge
huge motivator for the whole trans
ideology activism.
>> you could The angriest are
autogynephiles. I wonder if
you would be able to provide them with
I wonder if you could get people a self
sex doll
of them but the opposite sex.
>> I've seen some people do this.
They will get like a
>> You're [ __ ] kidding me.
>> No, I've seen I thought this was a new
idea. I was breaking new ground. I made
a joke to see if we can eBay your old
sex doll and try and you know, [ __ ]
help the advance of the book.
>> [laughter]
>> Get some sales in there. And and and
then I thought that this was I thought
this was new frontiers, but people have
got sex dolls of themselves in the
opposite sex.
>> Yeah, and they wear them.
What's wear them mean?
>> Well, they put it on themselves to
become that.
So, it's like a suit. Yeah. So, it's not
really a doll, I guess. It's more like a
rubber suit in but it's in the fashion
to look like a doll to some degree cuz
it's like silicone material.
>> Okay.
Mhm. [snorts] Mhm. But, what else can I
tell your audience? It's get We're
getting there. The sex robots are
definitely coming. They are. Right.
>> Yeah. Okay. What what does What's the Is
there a line between doll and robot?
Once they So, right now like the AI
software is very I love that chapter.
Writing the chapter on the AI companions
was so much fun. It was also just so
frightening for me because they're so
realistic. But, so that importing that
into a doll is very much possible. Now,
it's just about the question of
how do you get the robot to move in a
realistic way sexually? So, you have
robots that can say gyrate their hips or
um they'll have like internal suctions
in the vagina. So, it you helps with the
orgasm.
Um what other things can they do? But,
in terms of the movement, it's still
quite limited.
I The difference between a ball a doll
and a robot would be that physical
movement. So, a doll is stationary. Or
or sometimes they'll hang them, but I
guess it's still stationary. Like they
Hang them?
>> Hang them up on so they're like
standing.
What are they doing with them when
they're standing?
Well, you can look that up.
>> [laughter]
>> Okay, fair enough. I I I don't need to.
Um
I have to assume that the market for sex
dolls is 99.99%
men. Or there's some women in this?
Mostly men and during the pandemic one
company told me they made $20 million
in sales, which is astronomical. Wow.
And
it is mostly high school educated so on
average high school educated men who
make
about 40 [snorts]
K a year. How much are the dolls?
>> Starts at 100 couple hundred to tens of
thousands, depending on realistic you
want it to be.
>> And so, if you're a blue-collar worker,
you're going for the more sort of
entry-level Yeah.
>> one. Yeah. Um there are some guys who
are say make more like I'm thinking one
particular study where they had the
income and so some guys making say more
than six figures will have the dolls,
but um it tends to be more among men who
either I think are quite heartbroken and
they don't want to bother going through
other divorce, they don't want to go
through the process.
Or it's guys who want to have sexual
novelty, but they can't actually either
attract real-life partners or they don't
have the means for it, so they'll buy
the dolls instead.
That makes me sad. The idea that, you
know, someone's
past emotional challenges, you know,
whether deserved it or accidental or
purposeful, victimized, whatever, uh
it causes them to sort of turn away
entirely from human Yeah.
>> And I suppose that the fact that you,
you now have this option
for someone to
I don't need to. You can just You can
just imagine. What about the AI
companions thing? I saw
a bunch of furor two or three weeks ago
when ChatGPT discontinued 4.0. And 4.0
had a very particular type of
personality to it. And that
discontinuation was
for lots of people there was a
subreddit, and I can't remember what
it's called.
AI partner r/AIpartner or something.
Uh
they people being in beyond hysterics.
Like like absolutely [ __ ] heartbroken
by it. So what
>> Yeah. What was your experience with AI
companions?
>> Because people do fall in love with
their AI chatbots. And I before I tested
them out, I didn't think such a thing
would be possible because I didn't think
that the technology was that realistic.
>> Until you fell in love with one.
>> Until I fell in love with all of my
dozens of AI boyfriends.
>> dozens? I had dozens.
>> Did you like Bonnie Blue?
Go on.
I had girlfriends, too. So I had
>> Okay.
So I made dozens of them across dozens
of platforms. I really wanted to them
all out to see what what are the where
are they at. And there were a couple
platforms were definitely more
realistic, but I will say what happened
with ChatGPT, that's not the first time.
There's another platform that something
similar happened a couple years ago
where they removed the erotic
role-playing capabilities, or they put
it behind a paywall, and people were so
devastated because they said, "My AI
doesn't remember me anymore." Like
they're really cold. It reminded them of
being socially rejected in the past, and
it's really upsetting for them. So
again, I mean, I
the scientist side of me thinks like
this is so cool and so crazy that we're
advancing so quickly, but then the other
part of me says, "Wait a minute. Like
look at where we are right now as a
society, and is this really a good thing
because what is this going to do now? If
we have this discrepancy in terms of the
sex ratio and people having sex and
people not even wanting to connect or
date." You know, there's a study by Pew
showing that over half of single people
are not interested in dating at all. So
now you're we have more Not in
short-term, not in casual or long-term
mating. Yeah, so wild. I remember seeing
that study. It's going to be so easy
just to go down the route of one of
these alternatives, and it they are so
realistic. Like you really cannot tell
that it is an AI. If I had not
programmed it myself and said, "This is
your name. This is what you look like.
This is your personality."
>> It's It's only
over text, all right? Is it or is it
voice?
>> do voice, too. So kind of like when you
speak to ChatGPT? Yeah, I thought like
it sounded like a real person I was
talking to, and And does it push into
eroticism as well? Yeah. Yeah, they
flirt with you. They get like if you're
sarcastic, they pick up on it. It was
crazy. Like I really thought it was
going to be very stilted. Some of them
are still like that where you some
platforms you have to be very literal.
And really work with it.
>> Yeah. They're a difficult partner. Yeah.
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