"This Is Destroying America" - Corrupt Elites, Vaccine Lies, Putin & Fake News | Candace Owens

When you have power, obviously, you're looking to solidify your power. One of the things that I I always say is, you know, capitalists make the best socialists, for example, right? Once you've climbed the ladder and like you've through via capitalism, like say you're Jeff Bezos, I'm just using him as an example, I'm not pointing him out for anything, but if you're Jeff Bezos and you're the you're like the richest man in the world, then you become the richest man in the world because you built Amazon. Well, you don't want the next big guy to come around and make something bigger than Amazon, right? So, you're looking at how you can make sure there is no competition. Like the very thing that let you into the markets is that you don't want the markets to be so free anymore. And it's why so many people, even in the past, uh this is why we we initially had to pass laws against monopolies because powerful people were just like, "I'll just buy up all the smaller guys and become more and more powerful." That's like the instinct is to just maintain your power, if you're whether you're a business, whether you're the government, or whether you've realized that uh a relationship between businesses and the government is the best way to maintain your power. And I'm speaking about the vaccine industry. It's a perfect marriage between the manufacturers who don't allow any competition. There's very few, you got, you know, Pfizer, you've got Merck. There's a couple other ones I'm forgetting, but there's a very small group of people and they're in lockstep with the FDA and you've got sort of this perfect marriage and they have a lot of power. And in my view, they become a drug cartel because of those reasons. So, yeah, I mean, that would be, I think, my answer to that question of who is trying to control things, it's people that have power that don't want to let go of it. And don't want their power threatened. Now, I heard you say something when I was researching you that uh uh it gave me pause, so I'm very curious to hear You and I share a fear of authoritarian rule, but when you were talking to Andrew Tate, you said that maybe Putin wouldn't be the worst. You were being a little tongue in cheek. Um, but I'm curious, do you actually think that the way that Putin runs his government is better than what's happening here? I think America is running the government exactly like Putin. That what we just have an illusion of freedom. I don't see like there was actually this notorious point. I want to say two things about that cuz I I actually do recognize that the way Putin is running his government and China is running their government is obviously going to take America out because there's not a society that can survive without strong men and we're now encouraging weak men. So, if you're if you're betting on a horse, go go with the strong one, not the weak one, right? Um, and that was kind of one of the things that me and Andrew Tate were talking about was like operation Globo Homo, right? And we were saying that obviously you're just giving a funny name to it, but there is this increase in like transgender, be a lesbian, you know, get kids on pharmaceuticals. We are now a society of weak men. So, when you say objectively which government is running their country better, well, how do you run a country? You want your country to survive, right? The next generation to be able to survive and to be in a position of power. America is not doing that right now. Where we we are we are making our country weaker and weaker and weaker. And that's why I say this isn't my granddaddy's America, right? So, this is not the men are way too effeminate and it's just it's it's the culture is is rotten. But to to go back to my first point I was going to make, um, there was this point when Joe Biden said something, he called Putin a killer, right? A cold-blooded killer. And Putin responded cuz I'm I'm interested enough that I go read his speeches cuz I don't I know the media lies about everything. They lied about what was causing the Ukraine war. You got to you have to read everyone's speeches and try to discern for yourself what's true. But Putin said it takes one to know one. What what what mirage are we existing in that you think Putin is a cold-blooded killer and not America who's been at war overseas but I mean we bombed a million Iraqi civilians. 1 million innocent people we bombed. We've been bombing the Middle East. We've been bombing like a non-stop. Look what we did in Afghanistan. So, it's like we just have this illusion because it's not happening on our soil and the media is telling us that every time we're stomping out terrorists. I mean, do yourself a favor and obviously Wikipedia is not a a great source for anything but you should just go up and look up color revolutions and just look at the list of how many times we overthrew governments. Who are we to do that? Could you imagine? And and then you have our media going Russia spent a a million dollars trying to influence our election. And I'm I think it's just it's hilarious how people can be so plugged in that they don't even realize we specialize in overthrowing countries and their elections and installing people. We did this in Ukraine. This is the reason that this whole this whole conflict didn't begin 2 years ago. This whole conflict began when John McCain went over there and and this something Dave Smith and I spoke about and was protesting in the streets. They overthrew a duly elected government in Ukraine and installed a puppet for the West. That's going to create tension in various areas. And so, to think at what we did to Gaddafi, I mean, horrific. So, to I what I don't accept once you learn about not even history, talking about actual present and what America has done to other countries, I no longer accept the Putin boogeyman theory. Like it takes one to know one. These are how governments are run. He's open about what he is. We are still making people think, well, we passed gay marriage so I guess it means like we're not like bopping dropping bombs on children everywhere all across the world and staging um elections around the world and overthrowing, meaning, you know, people's duly elected elections and making countries worse after we're there as we tell our public that we're spreading democracy. Go check out a list of all the countries that we've said that we're spreading democracy or bombing them into oblivion. Yeah, there there is no doubt in my mind that, um, realpolitik, the movements of people to establish power internationally and keep that power is is a bloody and horrifying game that America has certainly been, uh, very involved in. Um, but going back to the idea of so right now I have the belief that the American system is far better than the Russian system. Um so I want to understand so the reason I believe that is while I believe that democracy is, um, very fragile, that it is certainly under assault, that we for sure should be very worried about some of the authoritarian moves, um, we at least have had the transition of power. I am very aware of how people feel about recent events, uh, in terms of it not being as peaceful as it ought to have been. Um, but in Russia they've had the same leader for whatever 16 years or something. That to me is a an indicator of an underlying authoritarian rule that is a step farther down the road than where we are now. Is that your read on the situation or are you like if we could literally one-for-one swap we'd be better off America be tougher, we wouldn't be raising weak men? Do you think that would be better than what we have now? I don't think that what we have now is what we believe we have now. So I'm I've I've recognized that America's just a Hollywood production. I mean, I don't think or at least I would hope that most people recognize that Joe Biden has not been running the nation for four years. Right? I think we kind of all acknowledge that he's not been running the nation for 4 years. The question is who has been? And this gets into the shadow government. You know, the media completely panicked and went into a tailspin when Tucker Carlson went over there to interview Vladimir Putin. Why? Right? Why would you be in a complete tailspin? This is what journalism journalists are supposed to do like since the beginning of time. Journalists are supposed to go and speak to other leaders of countries to get information. And they freaked out about this and one of the most compelling parts of that conversation was when Tucker asked him a meaningful question. I think it might have been about President Clinton and he said like, you know, when you and President Clinton spoke about this did maybe it was about um him joining NATO cuz he said I've tried to join NATO several times. Like I've tried to work with the West which is true by the way, that's a fact. He he has but they've not wanted to do that for whatever reason and he almost looked at Tucker like he was a child. He's just like, you know, I don't deal with your presidents. I deal with the CIA. You know, you know, it's like nobody cares about your president. I know it's like a fun thing and democracy wins and we all get to applaud and yay, it's the first black president. At the end of the day like my belief is that this is an oligarchy. And the CIA is running things and they and so yeah, if we're they're doing things without even having to come to the American people for permission. I mean I I thought Congress had to approve us going to war. How are we sending all of these packages, billions of dollars overseas? The state tells us the Pentagon tells us, "Oh it couldn't figure out the accounting and we lost all that money. We can't tell you where it went." Meanwhile, they're sending 550 8,000 more IRS agents to make sure you paid that extra 100 bucks. So to me, it's just it's all an illusion. And I thought that was that was honest. Like that that was actually what I appreciated. It was just Vladimir Putin being like, "What kind of a nonsense? Obviously, I deal I deal with the CIA." You know, like And so I in that way kind of think it's a little bit of the Truman Show here in America and people are invested in believing that there's going to be change, but when you really take a look into it, nothing ever really does change. I have a big belief that it doesn't matter what you look at, it matters what you see and my Look, I am very open to that the in the final analysis, I'm the one that's delusional and I look at something and I'm not seeing what's really there and obviously you do not know me, but um my whole thing is beliefs have utility and they either help you do the things you're trying to do and I'll assume that somebody has an honorable goal and so my thing is, hey, you should only do and believe that which moves you towards that honorable goal. Now, I look at Russia versus America and I go, okay, we if I I as a business guy, I'm just always looking at KPIs. All right, so we have a way better economy and compared to Russia. So, I look at Russia and I say, all right, one guy in charge, uh make him happy, you can do what you want, don't make him happy, you can't. America is, hey, I get it. There's a lot of BS, there's a lot of narrative, there's a lot of convincing people that we are something that we're really not, but at the same time the structure that we have created has attracted and produced some of the most extraordinary uh innovators the world has ever seen. And so, I look at that and I'm the guy for whom the system worked. I grew up middle class, maybe even lower middle class and I have succeeded tremendously. And so, I look at the system and I'm like, hey, I don't want this system to fall apart. I look at Russia and I say that that is a fundamentally different belief system. That is uh the collective over the individual. Have you been to Russia? I have not. Interesting. Yeah, so I I couldn't tell you because I have not been to Russia, but it's I always think it's interesting when people speak passionately about a place they've never seen. Maybe you know Russians. I mean, I I can only say I know Russians. Um and it it's just interesting. It's interesting to hear and that's one thing that I always do too is I I try not to speak about places that I don't feel like I have a leg in because I've been so blown away by what I thought was true and then what kind of what situation when I arrived somewhere. You know, you go to American cities and they're in ruin. There's homeless people on the streets. There's homeless encampments. Uh you know, you and I both got ahead not coming from much. Uh but the circumstance when you look at the filth that surrounds these cities, it's so shocking to step outside of that and go somewhere and you're kind of constantly being told like America's the greatest place in the world. America's the greatest place in the world. And you just wonder why it is and I think actually Tucker did the segment when he went out there how he was so shocked by how clean everything was and like how I don't I don't I think he he did this thing where he got made fun of and he got made fun of in the media cuz he went to the grocery store and and spoke about how cheap the prices were versus what he had expected in his American mindset before going out there. So, that's the only reason I'm asking. I don't actually know the answer. I've never been there either. But I'm wondering if you're relying upon not the Church of Science but the Church of Media to inform what you believe to be about Russia. Like, do you think they all hate him and he's an evil dictator or do you think the Russians love him? Uh I don't have any knowledge of that. I am I'm surprised that you said you thought I was speaking passionately about Russia. I'm speaking passionately about America. So, looking at the passion as in like not positive passion. Just like, you know, what you have a you have a very formed opinion of Russia, right? You're kind of like, "Well, Russia compared to the America Yeah, yeah, but I'm talking about a KPI. So, I'm looking at economics. So, you look at the economic output of the two countries, we're way ahead of Russia. And then the next question is, okay, why? Maybe the punchline is Western interference. Okay, that's possible. I'm very open to whatever the punchline ends up being. But in trying to I am trying to leverage you as somebody who looks at the narratives that were being told, identifies that many of them are not true, and then offers a way forward. And so, I'm trying to figure out how you judge like the Putin thing was the one where I was like, "Whoa, I didn't see that one coming." I couldn't map it to what I thought of as your worldview. And so, I'm just trying to understand from your perspective what that represents. So far what I've taken away, and if this is missing or inaccurate, let me know, but what I've taken away so far is a some very substantive portion of why that feels at least intuitively right to you is that America is generating weak men. And I've heard you talk a lot about the roles between the sexes, the way that we're raising men and women has a high level of dysfunction, but I didn't know if there was more to it, if it's like just that's you grappling with feeling like there is a cultural problem that we have here in the West that they have solved better than us, or if like you've really done a deep dive and you're like, "Yo, we'd be better off with that style of government." Well, no, I have not. And what I would say is the social aspects really matter to me. So, I was covering on my show this story where they were presenting it like Russia was this terrible place because they were hunting down a woman who in protest like took her top off in in front of this sacred cathedral. And they're like, "Look at this unfree country. Like, you know, they're putting her on a list and the cops are searching for her." And then I asked my audience a question like, do you think you couldn't survive in a place that said like you couldn't take like we we've gone We're just the other extreme. Do you know what I mean? We're the other extreme. Where people can defecate on a cathedral. Where people can a women are naked all the time. We have [ __ ] walks. And we go, "Oh, this is freedom." This is not freedom. This is not freedom at all. We have no respect for anything in this country. And so, it's it's not that Russia is better than America. It's that Russia and Amer- and America, if you think about it, are just opposite sides. It's like It's like, you know, It's like the horseshoe theory. It's really It's like this is the other extreme and it's awful. It's absolutely awful. I We should San Francisco should not have poop police. You know what I mean? And you're like, "Well, at least you can take your top off in a cathedral." I'm like, "Yeah, but I don't want to do that." Like, I have enough respect for me and my community and my neighbors that I'd be totally fine if there was a law that if you took your top off at a cathedral you get arrested. Like, I'm actually okay with that. Like, if we have to regulate like having common decency and respect because we somehow have had our brains rinsed into believing that that's this is what freedom is. No, it's this is not freedom. And And so, of course, one of the things also is that it's a treme- It's It's It's a very Christian society. And obviously, if And that's a bias that I could lay down. You know, it's got an Orthodox Christian society. And yeah, it matters to me that there are strong men. I think it's important to have strong men. And so, one of the things Yeah, I I I It's not even It's more of a commentary that the opposite thing is not good, right? Like, you're like, you can't swing the pendulum to the exact opposite side and go, "So, this must be good." No, this is very bad. America's in a very bad state socially. All right. Is what we have not freedom? or do you have a value that supersedes freedom that you want to see as our primary, even if it's just culturally aspired to value? Well, I would say that if you don't have bodily autonomy, you definitely can't purport to be a free society. So, that for me was a like, "Wow." Like, force vaccine people to go to work is that's enslavement. That's crazy. You know, you cannot say we live in a free society when the government attempted to implement force like you you can't work. You're going to get fired if you don't get this vaccine that we created. That's not a free society. Um the tax burden and the way that it's increased, not even being able to know where your taxes are. This is just not the This is not the vision that our founding fathers had. We are very far removed from that and we're inching closer and closer to socialism. You know, the money that is being spent on welfare isn't actually increasing people's welfare, right? You You got trillions of dollars spent on the welfare system since it was implemented, and the people that received it, the recipients are poorer today than they were when it began. So, this seems like It seems like they're encouraging a sort of neo-slavery. It's like an illusion of freedom, but in fact it's like neo-slavery where they kind of want everyone to be a welfare recipient. They want everyone to be relying on the government for something, and a big piece of that is also the pharmaceutical industry, which is creating addicts, the opioid crisis, no one ever gets into trouble, and you see more and more kids that are being put on very serious drugs at a young age, and I I don't think the government has our best interest at heart. Now, you add that, in addition to that, look at the education system. We're creating the Department of Education, they said in What was it? Which president was that? The Jimmy Carter in 1970, They created the Department of Education and it's because every child deserves to have an access to to education. What have been the results? It is a fact, kids are getting dumber and dumber and dumber. It has been an abject failure. Or it's been a success. Because the goal is to create the illusion of education while all you're actually doing is creating a bunch of brats who are so convinced that they're smart, but they can't do a basic math problem. They don't understand they can't they they cannot even write an English paper. They can't even speak English. And then you weigh that against, and this is something that Matt Walsh brought into the foray, go read a letter written by a Civil War soldier who had no formal education and it sounds like poetry. We're systematically being dumbed down, I believe that. We're systematically being poisoned, I believe that. Uh we're systematically being made sicker via the things that are allowed in our food that are not allowed in the food in in Europe. And I go and stay in even London for months at a time cuz my husband's from the UK, I feel better. Like we're they're like allowed to poison us here because of course, like I said, the FDA is colluding with these people, the Monsanto. Everything that is happening in America right now does not feel like freedom. It feels like a very slow darkening, a very slow diminishing of the human mind and the human body. Would you want to see um more freedom and a return to that or to capture it for the first time or would you value decency above freedom? Well, I don't think it violates my freedom in any way to say like, "Hey, you can't defecate in the streets." Like, you know, I think that's, you know, um I would I would be totally fine with that. I actually what I would like to see, and I think the only way to attain your freedom is on a household to household basis and making those decisions to step outside of the quote-unquote matrix or the system that's been created for you. That's why I encourage homeschooling and the homeschool students are excelling right now, you know, and there's a reason for that because they're not being put in a classroom that's just trying to marry them to various social causes. I mean, trying to pass like CRT and like race training above making sure kids can be mathematically competitive. Like do you do you really think like China's not going to stomp on America in a generation? Their kids are like uh this on a calculator when they're three when they're three years old. So, I think that the best way to achieve freedom is to achieve freedom within your own household, you know, and that's what I encourage to parents. I say you can always control what happens in your own household. You can always be the person that stands up and and says like this is my bottom line. Like my kids are not doing this and we're not doing this. And also making yourself more self-sufficient. that I did because I wanted to achieve freedom was I learned how to grow food. People don't even realize that. That has even created welfare recipients. Like if if something happened in New York City, like people think that food grows in a grocery store. And it was shocking to me to realize that this wisdom that our grandparents all had. They knew how to farm the land. They all knew Even today girls women don't even know how to cook. Forget like to grow the food. They're like, "Oh, I don't cook. Like I'm achieving like a career." And I'm like, "So, we're all just a bunch of welfare recipients. You don't even know what agricultural zone you're in. You don't even know what grows in your soil outside." So, these are the things that I encourage with my work. Like get off of welfare. Like you we're all on welfare in some regard, right? Learn how to grow food so that if something happens, you know what to do. Actually, make sure that you're gathering books with true knowledge that you can pass down to to your children. Like your parents could go out and just like grab a plant. My granddaddy used to do this when I had like a cut or a burn. He knew he knew the plants that were around that could fix something. And I think that's that truly is the only way that you can achieve freedom rather than trying to solve the world's problems, try to solve the problems in your own household. Your next big idea is suffocating under the weight of logistics. You've got the passion, you've got the ideas, but the thought of managing inventory, dealing with suppliers, and handling shipping, it's overwhelming. I get it, it's a valid concern, but here's the truth. It's an obstacle you can overcome right now today. That's where Printify comes in. 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It was definitely a reason that I married my husband because I liked that my husband could hunt. Talking about that traditional masculinity, right? Like can you go outside and fish and hunt? If the answer is no, what are you doing if there's no food? Like are you like what's your plan here? Like I I get that you have like a nice Rico Suave suit and you work on Wall Street, but like you're pathetic. Like I I always say I I I evaluate my friends and I'm like would they be in our apocalyptic tribe? What could they bring to the table? Sorry, that that nice Wall Street suit isn't going to cut it. We actually don't need you here in the forest. Um you know, you you you Do you have Do you have a science mind? And the answer for most people is no. They know nothing about anything because they just were relying on the experts. They don't know basic science. So, it's It has been a very empowering process for me to realize how little I knew despite the fact that I achieved two college degrees. I know not I knew nothing. And I made an effort to learn things that actually matter, like how to survive like on your own. Women don't know how to sew, stitch, nothing. The Amish have got it all figured out. You got to need some Amish neighbors. I assume the things that you say you say because you believe that they are accurate and often times even just common sense. So, why do you think it is that people find you or so many people find you controversial? I think I am controversial because I think it's controversial to think now. Like to have an opinion, to ask questions is really controversial. I was actually just speaking about this on my podcast. Even if you look at old media pieces from, let's call it 20 years ago, you were allowed to think, people were allowed to present theories. Go watch the old Oprah shows. It's it's incredible the people that she would have on. Today she would be called Alex Jones. Like she could never host those same shows today. We've grown increasingly authoritarian as a society and there's sort of been this implicit nod that, you know, you should only let the experts do the thinking and you should just do the remembering. And I've never been wired that way. Like I've always been I I wouldn't even say contrarian, but I don't like arbitrary authority. Which is to say, you need to actually give me an explanation and I would like to process your explanation and see if I accept that explanation before I just mandate that into my life. Now, um, you've warned people against taking a black pill and not believing anything. So, what what process do you use to figure out what is true? Well, it depends on what the subject is. Sometimes I am not necessarily saying this person is completely wrong. I always just say to people, even when you hear something from me, you should go conduct your own research. It's very rare. Actually, I don't think I've ever said to someone like definitely believe me. Like I think probably the most controversial thing I do is I did a series called A Shot in the Dark, which is about vaccines. And that was just a big no-go or COVID. I was doing this before COVID hit and people really did sort of just trust the doctors because they're doctors. I give them the information. I give them the links. I show them where I'm learning and I always invite them to learn with me, you know, so I'm you know, for that particular series just to jump into that it was actually quite stunning how much money it cost me to be able to access the studies and the medical information. Like there's an entire cartel where if you want to access a study that's been published, you got to pay like 20 bucks to even access it, which is an absolute nonsense. If you're going to mandate that everybody take this shot, the information should be free. And so I did that because that was something that I was extremely passionate about and I paid for all of those studies and I, you know, lined it up and said, here are the studies that were actually done. Here are the actual numbers. You can do this math yourself so you can at least assess the risk and not just make a decision for your child based on, well, if your child doesn't do this, she's going to die or your child's going to get polio if you don't do this. That's I mean, that's that's just manipulating people by tactics of fear and not logic. So one of the things you and I share a deep and abiding fear of authoritarian rule. One of the things though that I worry about is the reason manipulation works is humans are manipulable. They're always looking for shortcuts. Uh there's too much information coming at them and so they have to have a rubric for parsing things and right now we're living in the age of um influence influence influencers where it's like, okay, I'm going to pick Candace or I'm going to pick um I mean, fill in the blank and they're going to be the person that I trust to do the thinking for me. How in a world where there are so many narratives to think through, what are the base assumptions that you would have somebody use if they had to formulate their own opinions knowing that they're not going to have time to do the research that you do? Yeah, so going back to the Shot in the Dark uh series cuz that's kind of probably like I said the most controversial. One of the first things that I say to them is just your your gut instinct actually matters. It matters. You have a gut instinct for a reason. I call that the God instinct, right? There's something that tells you when there's somebody across the street that looks like they're up to no good and you kind of cross the street and you kind of There's just something that comes online. I think as a parent where you're like, I don't think I should be doing this. And it's incredible for the mothers and fathers who have followed this series like I kept saying like I wasn't comfortable with the amount of shots that my children were getting but that I had a doctor kind of doing this. I say, "Don't ignore that, you know? If you want to miss this next appointment for your child to get a shot because you you're not sure, take a second and try to figure out why you're feeling that." So I very much believe in us all having a basic instinct when it comes to danger. And I always say to them, sort of the second thing is when you raise the fact that you're not sure, how are you being spoken to? And you find within the vaccine industry, it is nasty I mean they speak to parents like they're stupid. They It's completely authoritarian. It's not Oh yeah, no I totally understand what you're saying. Here, let me give you the information so you can read it. I want you to Here's an easy access page where you can you can see the studies that were done. I completely understand you're a first-time parent. It's In many times it's anger and it's actually the majority of the times the doctors will say to a parent, "Well, you know, if he's not going to get the vaccines, your child can't go here." And that then leads you to the the next gut instinct which is, "Wait a second, did you take the Hippocratic oath? Aren't you supposed to be like wanting to to save lives? You're telling me that if I don't do this according to your schedule, you're telling me every child is supposed to be the exact same like one size fits all and if I don't do it according to your schedule, you won't even let my child go here." You're not even talking about parents that don't want to do the vaccines. I'm talking about parents that are like, "I'd like to do this on a slower schedule because, you know, I don't feel comfortable about this many toxins at once. So, I would say that those things for me, I always say that really matters, right? Because if information is real and what they're telling you is honest, you're you're not treated like you're an imbecile. You're not treated like you're a slave who's speaking to a master, and that process of sharing information is collaborative. And so, that for me, um, is kind of what I would say I think that's what I always highlight and underscore to them is that when something is real and it actually exists, it doesn't feel threatened by you asking a question, you know, basic question. Can I see a study? How many kids die of this? How many, um, you know, when did we start giving the shot? Why did we start? What is the history of this shot? And the truth is is that a lot of times the pediatrician to react that way because they don't know the answer, either. It's they're they don't learn, and I have friends who are doctors, and they say, "We don't actually learn this in school. We just learn this is what you give the child, and here is what you say if the parents try to defy it." So. And when you're thinking through something like that that has huge consequences, um, is there a you have the gut instinct, you feel like something is wrong, you present the data, you're getting feedback from them that doesn't feel right. Is it go seek a second opinion? Is it, um, go do research? Um, do you have a set of follow-along questions that you encourage people to ask so that they can solve a novel problem that they've never encountered before? Yes. So, to go back into how I got into the vaccine thing, I was actually injured from a vaccine. Uh, and I thank God for that. I was injured from the Gardasil vaccine when I was about 19 or 20 years old. I had a seizure in the office with the doctor. Doctor sort of freaked out. Yeah, it was a mini seizure, so it was nothing, uh, thankfully, it was nothing that had long-lasting effects. Passed out in the office, and I share that on my first episode. I share them I want you to even know why I'm saying this to you because I always like to lay out my biases, which the media never does. You know, they never say, "Hey, I'm getting paid from Big Pharma." Or a doctor never says, "Hey, actually, we get kickbacks for every child that completes the vaccine schedule on time. I get a $40,000 check." That's all so real. Nobody talks about their incentives. So, I always I always want to lay out mine right away. I was vaccine injured. Here's how I ended up on this journey. Um, I trusted the doctor blindly. They said this was going to stop me from getting ovarian cancer uh from HPV. I knew nothing about I had never even heard of HPV. That was a very new STD at the time. It wasn't one of the ones that we learned about in high school. And I got this shot, had this reaction, got up, and realized I knew nothing, and I just trusted the doctor. And when I did my research, and I learned first and foremost that HPV clears up 97% of the time all by itself. And then I researched the rates of I can't remember if it's ovarian or cervical cancer. I think it's um ovarian cancer that they say that it leads to. And then I researched the rates of ovarian cancer, extremely low. Like, it's actually like a rarer form of cancer that has a very high has a higher survival rate. And then I researched to see since they started mandating this HPV vaccine, you know, have we dealt with this particular type of cancer? No, actually, that type of cancer has increased. And so, I just did the math on all of it, and I wasn't using any shady websites. I was I was using you know, cancer.org, whatever the main websites are. And I just presented them with those statistics, and realized I made a decision where if the doctor had given me all of this information as opposed to your this will stop you from getting cancer, which wasn't even an honest portrayal of the facts. He would probably was getting some sort of a kickback. That was a new vaccine. I would have made a different decision. I just didn't have the information. So, when I uh present that, I tell them my backstory. I show them all of these websites. My One of the things that I always swear on that particular series, like my promise to the followers, is I'm never I'm not going to use a shady website. I'm not going to find it on a Reddit feed. I'm not going to find it on a back channel. I'm going to show you the statistics that are being presented on the CDC website. And I'm going to show you how to realize when they're manipulating these statistics, like when they're applying it globally versus in America. Like that stuff matters, right? Obviously, because if you live in a place that doesn't have basic sanitation, well, it's not a big shock that you're going to have certain diseases. Like sanitation wipes out certain diseases. Basic, like being able to flush a toilet and wash your hands can change circumstances. Um and I'll show them the index, like the OECD index. Like these are countries that actually live like us. And so, we could This is actually a fairer comparative analysis. And I always say, like I'm not telling you what to do. I just don't want you to be like me and make a decision without having information. And once you have that information, you feel like you can actually have a conversation with your doctor, right? So, then you can actually go to the quote-unquote expert and say, "You know, actually the the cervical cancer rates have gone up since the shot was And 97% of HPV clears up on its own." And and then you're having a conversation. You don't feel like you're being, you know, bullied into the situation and um or feel like you're being left out of the conversation. So, I'm not into I'm I'm not in the business of trying to compete with the medical industry. I'm just trying to provide parents like an entryway so they can ask basic questions and or or know basic facts before they introduce something into their body, which I think is a right, you know. So, when I look at how complicated the world is, the thing underlying the questions that I'm asking now are I People need When I was growing up, for instance, you just believed that the experts knew what they were talking about, that they had your best interest at heart, that they had done the research. Uh COVID happens and their COVID plus social media plus the Twitter files, all of that begins to break this sense of uh I can trust what people are telling me that they do have my best interests at heart and it starts fragmenting into things like uh the government is lying to you because they want to control you. Um they're censoring you through social media but not being honest about it. Um there's all of these base assumptions about the way that the world is that begin to fall apart. And do you think that the world has always been like that and nobody ever had our best interests at heart or has something actually changed recently and that's why it's it's just we're now seeing it because it's only happening now. Well, again, that would that answer would depend on what what topic we're talking about. If you're talking about the medical industry, on the basis of the research that I have done, I would say it has always been I'm talking about vaccines, it has always been an industry of lies that relies on fear. I I believe that from the bottom of my heart. And the fact that I say, "Okay, I'm just a parent." For a doctor that writes a piece and says this is dangerous misinformation and I offer them the opportunity to come on my show and debate everything I'm saying. Like I'm not here to say I don't believe in not having conversation. It's the exact opposite. In fact, I think that a big reason why my audience trusts me so much is because I have the humility to admit when I'm wrong. I've many times pivoted on positions and said, "Okay, I reported on this yesterday and then actually this person showed this and this was this was actually wrong. So, I want to update that." When it comes to the medical industry and and obviously you saw this during COVID but I was doing this series before COVID when Joe Rogan said, "Right, let's I'll have you on the podcast. You're saying that I'm spreading COVID misinformation and you're a doctor, why don't you speak to this guy who you're saying has gone fringe, Dr. Robert Malone? And their answer is no. This is the science, the science is settled. Well, that should let you know that it's it's not science, right? Because like if you're telling me that we can't challenge it and we can't you can't explain it and sit next to somebody and say, "Hey, let me tell you why that's inaccurate or I see that that study that you pulled up. Um maybe you're reading it wrong." They don't want to do that and there's a reason for that because in my in my viewpoint, particularly on the vaccine injury industry, it has been about profits from the very beginning and there are so many lies and misrepresentations and and cover-ups. You know, some of it is the government made a mistake. I mean, as an example, one of the biggest things that people believe is that, you know, we eradicated polio because of vaccines. That is objectively false. Uh when we had the huge polio outbreak and I don't have my notes in front of me, I I want to say this was in the 1930s or 40s, I 1940s, I believe, the second huge polio outbreak. Uh actually, what it was was that diagnostically, they were counting anything, even if it was temporary paralysis, as polio. What was causing so many kids to have temporary paralysis is that they were spraying them with DDT poisoning. If you go and you look at what they didn't know, obviously, at the time that DDT they were spraying everything from the apples to the animals, they were also becoming paralyzed to the children, were spraying them with DDT. And then, what they did was they stopped spraying kids with DDT and then they diagnostically changed definition of polio. They got way more specific as they did with COVID, right? Um and the numbers completely plummeted. They re recategorized it into many different things, one of it being Guillain-Barré syndrome, and they don't tell you this stuff. And I just show people the videos. Hey, here are the videos. Here's what DDT DDT poisoning does. Here are the actual cuz Daily Mail did a whole piece showing how they just were spraying children in pools. And it's it's just dishonesty. You know, when you can control the definitions. And I'll show them an actual book of a person who exposed that and doctors. And I'll give them all of the books. I always provide links so they can learn about this themselves. If you eradicated polio and vaccines really did it and you're a doctor and Canice is spreading dangerous misinformation, wouldn't the first thing you'd want to do would be to come on this show when I give you an open invitation? You know, I don't want to harm people. And it's also the instinct that tells me as well when and that was something that I said to parents as a mother. You would do anything for your kids. You have I mean, hundreds of thousands of mothers that are taking to the streets from different backgrounds, right? You got different races, different backgrounds, different socioeconomic classes all saying the same thing. My kid was fine until this. What incentive does a does a mother have to join a protest? You're you're treated like a pariah when you're anti-vax. You're telling me they they're just doing this for attention holding photos of their children who they say were injured, children who they say who they said died. And then you know people personally who went through this, whose children were advancing and then got a shot and then were never the same. And so it's the the tremendous gaslighting on top of it. Now that I am a parent, it's it's it's insane to say to a parent, well, your child was always like that. And then I know they were laughing and giggling and making eye contact and suddenly they're not. But that was just like something genetically that went off. And and that is why it's even more important to me that parents get educated about these decisions that they're making because Big Pharma will hold your hand to get you to take the thing. But if something happens to your child, they'll just stop answering your phone calls. They'll they'll totally gaslight you and tell you that they had nothing to do with that the nine shots that you brought them in for has nothing to do with it. So, I mean, that's where I come from. And again, if I was shutting down speech and I was saying don't speak to your doctors and I was saying don't ever have a debate about it, then I would recommend my audience stop listening to me. So, when I hear stuff like that, the thing that makes me nervous is you're taking something uh I think you prize gut instinct in a way that I, for instance, don't. I'm just one guy, so whatever, but you have said I left the mega church of science behind. What do you replace that with though? Because the thing that scares me is going like I get it. I think people should be able to ask questions and what freaked me out during COVID was when they were shutting people down that were asking questions. And my thing is, hey, assume that the vast majority of the people asking questions are wrong and dumb, but you still need to let these ideas be challenged, otherwise we're never actually going to be able to find out what's true. But what I worry about is that we'll start playing fast and loose with this feels right. And because the science has lied, has tried to silence people, that now we're just what I'll call shooting from the hip with my gut tells me something's wrong. My gut tells me the vaccines don't work. But what do you replace? Like if you don't have faith in science, how do we validate our instincts? Yeah, so I want to be clear. When I say that I've left the mega church of science, what I mean by that is for many people it has become a blind faith. And it it they will disregard everything that they're seeing and just go, okay, well, Dr. Fauci said it, so it must be true. That's a faith. I mean, that to me that's a part of the humanist agenda. And I'm I am just not wired that way. Regarding saying go with your gut instinct, I don't say just go with your gut instinct, I say don't ignore your gut instinct, right? And so if you're not ignoring your gut instinct and something says to you, I don't feel comfortable with my child who has just been out of the womb for 3 seconds and I'm being told by a doctor that he needs the hep B vaccine, which hep B is an an STD. That just doesn't that right there, you should instantly go if my child's going to get hep B in this hospital, I'm in the I'm in the wrong hospital, right? And that is the instinct. You hear so many moms say that. Like they're just telling you now your child is born wrong. Like they need vitamin K 3 seconds out, they need eight hep B, they need this, they need that, the circumcision, whatever it is. Your if your gut is telling you that doesn't feel right, listen to that gut and then find the information, like learn the information and know that what they're selling you in the hospital, like you shouldn't be making these sorts of decisions under fire and under duress, cuz that's what it is. You are under duress when you have someone that is saying to you as the pediatrician in the hospital said to me that my daughter would die if I didn't get the shot this shot. And I I obviously she had no idea who I was. She was messing with the complete wrong parent and I I gave her a lecture. I said, you know, how dare you? How dare you? I mean, I'm lucky, but I'm married. I'm lucky that I'm not a woman that is vulnerable enough to respond to that and then said I get very angry and I walked out of the hospital with my baby and my beautiful non-vaxed 2-year-old daughter, my non-vaxed 3-year-old son, perfectly healthy. I mean, the girl I think she didn't even get so much as the sniffles for the first year of life, I think just despite the pediatrician. But I mean, how dare you? How dare you use that language to a mother? She's going to die if you don't do this. That's that's not science. That's a threat and I understand and I explained to the parents the financial metrics as well, because there are financial incentives. They do get bonuses on the basis of whether or not they complete your child getting vaccines on time from the insurance companies. That's problematic. And so like I said, I'm not a person that says just go with your gut at all times, but I do say do not ignore your gut and I do believe and because I come from the Church of God that your gut instinct is divine. I especially for mothers. There is there is a spiritual bond and a and it's a spiritual women's intuition. You know, people talk about the women's intuition all the time and that comes into hyper focus when you become a mom. Like when they say moms have eyes in the back of their heads, it's like a thing. Like your child is always connected to the umbilical cord and I will say to my husband, I just get a vibe from that person. He's like, "What are you talking about?" I don't know. It's the vibe. I don't want my kids around them. It's like he hasn't done anything. Bad vibe, right? So you could say, "Well, that's completely illogical. The person" It's a vibe. And then typically now, my husband and I have been married for 5 years, he's amazed. He's like, "How right those inclinations, those first inclinations tend to be when it comes to my children." And so like I said, just don't don't discount it. You don't have to say fully rely on this and then don't go pursue any information cuz that would be ridiculous, too. But don't throw away your gut and I think that the big pharma industry is trying to persuade people to ignore every single one of their gut instincts and to just submit themselves to the Church of Science or as C.S. Lewis termed it, um, scientism. I love the idea of using your gut instinct as an alarm. What I tell people is your gut is the subconscious way of your body speaking to you. So the body's pulling God knows how many data points, your literal microbiome is speaking to you, your past experience is speaking to you. Whatever evolutionary systems that we have, all of those things are are trying to say something in a rapid language, which is the language of emotion. So, you feel something. I think that's very wise. What I'm trying to track down, and you are a fascinating individual because you talk about gut instinct and being a parent and how that changes you, but you're also extremely uh rhetorically gifted, and you can put things into logical arguments, and you can attack things point by point. So, what I'm trying to get people when they look at you cuz I I look at you and I see somebody that uh your popularity signals to me that you are saying something that people believes needs to be said and has not been said. And so, now I'm trying to figure out, what is that thing that you're saying that people aren't reading. I come to I think you have a world view, something I call frame of reference, that gives you uh a path that you can walk down when something seems wrong to then come back from emotion and give people a rhetorical argument that they can use as a shortcut to live their life. Okay. So, put a pin in that. That's That's how I see you. But now I want to know, when you say something like, "Hey, you need to trust your gut." I'm on board. But what you'll then what I hear you saying is, then go do research. Gut tells you alarm, it's a move away alarm, but now you need to do something, so you're going to need to move towards something. What is that thing? Go do research. But now, when you're doing the research, you have to trust some data. So, how do How do people know what data to trust? Well, so again, it depends on the subject. And so, to make the data that I trust rather cuz you've said that now a couple times, I want to make sure I zoom in on that. So, it What If you were to step back and say, um regardless of subject, here is how I approach into this at a foundational level. So, for me Yeah. uh I'll say it's uh I look at your frame of reference is beliefs and values. Biology is thrown in there, but that'll confuse this moment. So, what you believe to be true about the world is going to inform every piece of data that you read. So, for instance, I think, you tell me if this is wrong, I think you have a belief that the government lies to you, that they have an agenda uh to rule over you, they need to keep you dumb. Shorthand, so please by all means if that doesn't feel accurate, chime in. No, that's right. That So, that belief then is going to guide where you go for sources of data. So, for instance, I think you're going to rely on spirituality a lot, you're going to point people to the Bible for help in these kinds of decisions, and that sequence of how you approach those problems is the thing I'm trying to tease out because people will often shut you down in their own minds because they hear a controversial headline, and then they shut off. But, if my hope is that I can figure out what those bricks are that you use to build the foundation of your worldview that allows you to not be trapped by a narrative that you think is BS in a way that so many people get trapped. Mhm. Actually, no. So, I don't actually go straight to the Bible. We actually live in a society where people don't implicitly trust the Bible, right? That to them, if I if I went down that path, I don't think that I would have had the following that I have today. I always end up with the Bible. That's That's That's definitely not the first step that I take. Actually, what I do to make sure that the information that I have is {quote} {unquote} foolproof is I intentionally go pursue the experts. So, like I said to you, my entire series of A Shot in the Dark, I'm pulling data from the CDC. I'm I'm getting files from the CDC from when they back when they had to scan everything in. I'm buying the I'm like they're telling you to trust the experts. They're just not showing you what the experts said. So, I'll give you a perfect example, the tetanus shot. That's one parents are like, "Oh, what about the tetanus shot?" My husband even when I came to him and said I don't want to back our children, he was like, "But at least the tet- the tetanus shot. That's a big one." And so, I went and found the information and you know, they the big they know that most people don't read beyond the first paragraph. You need a tetanus shot because of blah blah. And buried in is the data. So, every child in America has to get tetanus shot. And then I found this remarkable statistic and this is from a CDC website. So, I'll ask you the question. How many people do you think when tetanus was at its peak in America, okay? People being infected with tetanus at its peak before they rolled out the vaccine. How many people do you think in America were getting tetanus? And I'll give you just so you know, just to give you a fair Getting tetanus per year. So, there were approximately 150 million Americans at that time. How many people do you think were getting tetanus? Not dying from it, but getting it. 3% 550 Americans. That's low. It's shocking. It's absolutely shocking and it's on the CDC website. So, it's not this is nothing that can be disputed. And then you look into tetanus and you learn more about it and what was going on around World War II was people were not just not cleaning wounds accurately and guess what? Still not people that were getting it, not even dying of it. Like I mean, it's like it's it's such a nonsense. And still people who are drug users get tetanus, right? That's still it's still we I think about 15 people a year die from tetanus, whatever it is. And they're drug abusers because they're they're wounds are infect are are becoming infected and festering and and you can die from tetanus. And so, the fact that it's it's thing for a parent to learn that. Because you assume everyone must have just been dropping dead in order for your child to be mandated to get this shot 12 times. And it's a combo shot. It's it's Tdap or DTaP depending on the age of the person. But you would just assume that more people had to have been dying during the peak. Now, where did I get that information from? I got that from the AMA, right? So, that's this is the CDC, the AMA. I show them the charts which show people the peak incidence in the United States. Like the most people that died in what year, the most people that were infected in what year. And the the chart is stunning. Because even looking at that, measles, chickenpox, you just assume that it had to have been everybody for them to mandate this. And that just isn't so. So, I start with this instinct that, okay, yeah, I don't know. These shots are getting a little crazy. I say, when I was a kid, like and you can and you can use, by the way, also your own reference. For example, when I grew up, we just had chickenpox parties. They just threw us all in a room and you got chickenpox, right? And I don't remember a single kid and this is why I say to parents, I go, "Don't forget your common sense here, right? Do you remember a single kid going around and being like, 'Johnny died last night of chickenpox?' No. You just remember that somebody got happy when you heard somebody had chickenpox and it meant that you were all getting in a room together." Talk to kids today about chickenpox. They think it's like like polio. They're just like, "We're all going to die." Like, "No, we have to get the varicella vac- because there's a vaccine for that now which they rolled out I think in 2005. And you speak to that generation and they literally think they're all going to die from varicella. So, you apply that logic to how we know that chickenpox was not that big of a deal. And you go, "Okay, have they just been like continually doing this? Like scaring the next generation into thinking that this was like some horrible illness everybody was dying from and that just wasn't so?" And then I go and I look at the statistics of how many people were dying. And you're just like, "What is this?" And then I tell people, "Here what's your chance of dying when there was no vaccine at all from chickenpox." And it always works out to like you had a 0% chance, right? If we if we round it, it's a 0%. And that chart and the CDC chart and the AMA chart genuinely shocks parents. And that they never dispute it because it's real, they can't take it away. It's like it exists. And so you realize that so much of this is fear. And then I take them through what would happen if you actually got chickenpox, right? And I explain to them like we got it. Like you promised you like it was like it was itchy. But really everyone got it and you kind of just like dealt with that. And Um of course there's always something that can go wrong. It's it's the world is weird. Can there be a person who gets chickenpox and they die? Yeah, sure. But generally speaking kids are pretty robust. It's the older people that you kind of kind of have to worry about, right? Kids have the best immune systems. They they bounce back from things the most. And then there's like the scary things that nobody speaks about but I speak about my podcast which is that And and of course you're going to say and it is true to say that, you know, you can't necessarily say that it's it's correlation but the explosion of childhood cancer directly coincides with the explosion of childhood vaccines. And I show them that. All of these kids getting leukemia. I mean, what is leukemia? Childhood leukemia? It's it's all of these autoimmune type diseases or it's a huge question mark that I have. And of course I cannot verify that. I am not a person that can verify that but I can say that I don't think it's normal for 3-year-olds to get leukemia. And the fact that we they won't even discuss this data. The fact The fact that they won't even discuss this perfectly paralleled incidents of childhood cancers and the explosion of vaccines after Reagan removed the ability to sue for um uh reactions, right? Just makes me And that's the explosion of vaccines like coincides with a we can no longer get sued for them, right? It just leads you to asking a lot of questions because then we are America, we are the West, then it becomes a market. People are selling these drugs because they're making money. And I don't think that they're doing this because they are trying to make children healthier. That's another thing that's common sense. I look around today and I'm like, okay, so like when I was a kid, we got eight vaccines. Like when my mom was a kid, they got two vaccines. Kids today are getting 75 vaccines. Where are the results? Do these kids look healthier to you? Everybody's kid is allergic to tree nuts and peanuts and and walls and air and my child can't go outside because oxygen and I'm like, these kids are like never been more sick. I look at my grandfather's generation and I'm like, they just they they weren't this sick. So, some of that is common sense, yes, and these are the what I do in my first episode like, here are my like common sense questions as a mom that I just like to know. And here here's the thing that happened to me. Here's the event. And then I put all of that and I look at the data and I just go, okay, um my children are not going to get vaccines. And I now have three children and none of them are vaxed and all of them are healthy and I don't worry about them dying in a cot of uh sudden infant death syndrome, which I believe can is attributable to vaccines and based on the research that was done about the DTaP vaccine and within a couple of days children dying and then suddenly big pharma goes, oh, it's because kids are sleeping on their stomachs. I mean, kids have been sleeping on their stomach since the beginning of time. I think that's That's the kind of stuff where they've created a problem and then they blame the parents for the problem that they created. What do you attribute the dramatic increase in lifespan to, though? It's basic sanitation. I mean, when you look at and I even show Um one What did you say? One shot, one kill? Yeah, so sanitation cuz I So, I'm running everything you're saying I when I say I am not a vaccine guy, I am not a vaccine guy. Uh but meaning I know nothing about it. So I am still trying to parse how you view the world and how you sift through something. Obviously hearing this, I know a lot of people are going to um say all the points she's making, they're easy to debunk. Um and Tom just doesn't know enough to push back on this stuff. So I want to be clear about I'm trying to get to the underlying decision-making process here. Um so I look at the world and I say, "Okay, um at some point in the not too distant past we solved for something because we have dramatically increased lifespan. But at some point in the even more recent past something has happened because lifespan is now going in the wrong direction. My thing is, I don't think we know the answer. I don't think the studies have been done. I very much doubt that we have the data. Uh so I worry. I think this is our our big problem as society. Everybody is looking for a rule of thumb by which they can live their life. This is why I think religion has worked so well. It is a book of rules of thumb of what to do in certain circumstances and all told to you by God. And so therefore nothing to question, just do it and you'll be better off. And they had so much wisdom right that it lasted. And now we're at a point where we're we're seeing all of these narratives begin to break down. People even myself, I I legitimately just wanted my podcast to be something that help people. When COVID hit, I started doing financial content to be able to help people cuz I thought they were going to get obliterated. Then I realized we're doing something called money printing. And I'm like, "What's money printing?" And so I start looking at that and I realized, "Whoa, like this is money in and of itself is not what I thought it was. The government is not dealing honestly with the people." And then I was like, "Do they even understand like how all of this stuff works? Some of them probably, but some of them probably not. And so now it's like, okay, hold on. We live in this very complicated world. And people want very simple rules of thumb that they can follow. And we're living in a moment where all of the old rules of thumb are falling apart and probably for good reason cuz something is going wrong. But I worry that to quote you, like don't become so black-pilled that you buy into every conspiracy. And so whether it's pro-vaccination is a conspiracy, fine, like I don't care. But what I'm saying is what do we do in this moment where everything is thrown up into the air? Do you not worry that this the destabilization of people's worlds view people's worldviews is more dangerous than an incorrect but useful worldview? Yeah, I mean you're asking the question is it better for us to have a matrix established for us which people plug into and they kind of really don't ask further questions because it's easier than dealing with the plausibility that you know everything's kind of a lie. And there's kind of just people that understand that. I mean we're talking about the finance and the money markets and things of that nature. Yeah, I mean he we could ask some very big questions about that. But yeah, it when you learn more you learn about history and you learn about things that we were lied about or intentionally omitted from the historical script, then you start to realize that public education actually exists to insert you into and I'm obviously using this colloquially the matrix. Yeah, you you do start to go, okay, is it good to to so to speak fall down the rabbit hole and and to recognize that a lot of this is illusory? And that's a question I think people have to ask themselves. You know? I think for me in mine started really kind of with something small ends up being big, which was me realizing that as a black person I was kind of being inserted into a certain political narrative and that I was intentionally lied to a lot and that those lies were meant to make me intentionally hate white people, right? That was kind of the first drop where I went, okay, this is a lot of this is lies and I researched things and realized that I was lied systematically. Like textbooks were even kind of training me to believe a certain thing. I mean, schools exist to plug you into the financial system, right? And if you don't do research beyond what you learn in school, you're going to plug yourself in one way or the other. And you do I think suffer from a period of cognitive dissonance. I certainly did and um especially because I was so there weren't many people in America that were speaking out against Black Lives Matter as a black person, right? And you're dealing with an onslaught of people who are calling you names again that authoritarian approach where they're not actually answering the questions of the data that you're bringing up. They're just kind of saying like you're a self-hating black person or you're anti-vax or you're transphobe. There's always a name for everything when you start asking meaningful questions. And I think for a lot of people they don't want to do that. You don't want to step out because there is a there's a safety in just going along with the script. There is. Uh I think that that for a lot of people is not something they're willing to do when it comes to their children. And so that's a part of the reason why we're seeing so much fraying because we're arriving at concepts that have very serious implications. In terms of COVID, many people were happy to do it for themselves. Then when they started talking about giving the COVID shot to children, and then that fractured relationships between parents and the state right there when they felt like they were had to like fight for their kids. Depending on where you live. Where do you live, Tom? LA. I going to say California, a state, tons of moms emailing me from there. You know, in LA, he's just signed a bill that they can transition your child and you can't do anything about it. Maybe you support transgenderism, that's fine. But if you don't and the state decides to to take your child away, that's a very big it's a very big deal, right? If you go, "No, no, no, no, no, I don't think my child is transgendered." So, yeah, I think we're arriving at a moment right now where the state has sort of made enough incursions into people's lives that that question of whether or not you're going to keep just going along with the narrative or if you're going to accept that maybe not everything is as you thought it was is now and that that truly is going to be an individual decision. Yes. Um who is lying to us and why? Well, I mean the government's lying to you, obviously, because the government wants to make sure that they can control society. I mean, that's that's a no-brainer that the government has an interest in controlling you. Of course, that's how you how they feel that they can maintain things and also accomplish whatever their goals are as a state. And this is when you get into what people think can can think is a conspiracy when you're talking about an elite class of people and I have recently been doing deep dives into American history because um so my my my husband's British and I was speaking to some priests in the UK and they sort of looked at me like I was a complete idiot and he was like, "I mean, Americans just don't know anything about history. They don't even know that their country was founded by Freemasons." And then I started reading all of these books and all of these Freemason groups and I just realized I know nothing about history, nothing about how America was established. So, put it all together for everybody. What for people that follow you, uh listen to you to make sense of the world, what is your 30-second button on how to move forward well? Uh first and foremost, uh follow your intuition. Like believe like that that means something. I do believe that the intuition is God. Don't be a person that accepts the idea that you should ignore it at all times in favor of someone else's command or demand. Let that be your guide as you pursue information. Remember that you have the right to think. You have the right to question. You have the right to change your mind is almost the thing that I want to say is most important. You you have the right to have been in one place before and examined intuition plus facts and come out the other side of it and you can change your mind. That's something that people are very scared to do all the time. And you know, I guess the last thing that I would say is to really cherish, to realize that the best guard that you have against a lot of this stuff is a strong family. I really do believe that every blessing that is in my life today is because I have realized how sacred and how important having a strong functional family unit is. It in a family unit and with faith at the center is almost unshakable. And a lot of these concerns and worries and anxieties that you have really do subside because you know that despite all of the outside noise, what you cultivate on the inside is what actually matters. I love it. Candace Owens, thank you very much for joining me. Where can people follow along with you? Oh, I guess you can find me anywhere. Don't believe what they say about me on Wikipedia. It's all lies. You can find me on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you listen. It's called The Candace Show and we dive into so many different topics. You'll never get bored. I think somebody once wrote a hit piece about me and I really appreciated it. They called it conservative gumbo. I quite liked that. Nice. You never know what you're going to get. Too true. All right, everybody, if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace. If you liked this conversation, check out this episode to learn more. First off, the um the financial cliff that we're rapidly driving off uh is is pretty terrifying. Um there you know, it's not just the $35 trillion in debt or the fact that um that interest