“They Offered Me $1,000,000!” JasonTheWeen on Leaving FaZe, MrBeast Rumors & Spending Everything

I saw on a podcast you mentioned you're frugal. >> Yeah, I was what happened. >> Things change. >> The streamer's choice award goes to Jason. >> Sometimes more money equals more problems. >> Jimmy, >> welcome to the Maybag. >> Yes. I don't think I've ever been in one before. >> Did you always know that you were going to be successful? Yeah, honestly, I was just really obsessed with making it as a streamer. With streaming, you always got to keep your head aloat, right? You always got to stay on top of the game and be obsessed to be successful. I'm streaming not to make money, but to entertain. What's your least favorite part of your job? >> Oh my, the drama is insane. >> Faze, >> what happened to FaZe? >> So, there's a lot I can't speak about. Um, but I'll say this, >> Jason the Wen, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour. >> I appreciate you for having me. I'm I'm ready to answer some questions or whatever y'all got for me. >> Okay, so you're fascinating because you kind of play it up to be somewhat of a fool online, but I think you're incredibly strategic and maybe even a content genius. In fact, one of the things that was a big part of your brand was debating whether or not you should drop out of college for a long time. How much were you making as a college student? >> Before I even went into my content journey, I was doing a lot of like NFTTS and like crypto, that type of stuff because I was always trying to make money quick in a way. And like my mindset was always like my parents are getting old. I got to make money fast. Like and to me that was like the internet or or online businesses. And I would like bought shoes. I was like a scalper. I was one of those. >> No way. >> Yeah. I was buying >> I was buying like um whatever was on the Supreme drop or Dunks, whatever. Whatever was literally popular. I was I was a big shoe head at the time. But >> were you making money doing that? >> Yeah, I was. I was profiting make I was buying like Yeezy Boost. I was literally just like scalping what I was like in a Discord called hidden NFT and they would they would like ping me. Oh, there's a drop on this day. Oh, and then and then it slowly became like an NFT discord. I would mint NTS and flip them and hold them. >> What's the most you made? >> I made well over six figures. >> No way. >> Wait, before content? before content I was like 16 17 and I made over six figures and ETH was at like four or 5K or no 4K I think and I was bombing I I was feeling good but then ETH went all the way down to 1k and NFTs died and I kind of just held >> so what so you lost all the profit >> no I put most of it into Salana now like all my I don't really do crypto anymore at all my money is in Salana but I had like this gam family phase with my uh with my streams and I was just bet on NBA playoff games and I lost a lot of my uh ETH doing that. So do not gamble. >> So this was before content though. You were already making pretty good money online doing like the NFTs and stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the but the gambling part was when I >> was when you already streaming. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So then what did you ball out on once you made all this money on crypto and NFTs? Um, I didn't buy anything because I didn't understand like I mean I would literally go on this website actually and it was called Bit Refill and I would redeem credit cards or gift cards and buy like clothes and [ __ ] I really wouldn't buy anything. >> What does that even mean? Wait, wait. Redeem refill is like you you um >> pay for gift cards in crypto and it'd be like Door Dash, Uber Eats. >> That sounds so sketchy. >> It literally sounds like you were either getting scammed or you were scamming someone. That just sounds so scam. There's a scam. Like I don't know what it is, but it sounds like there's a scam somewhere. That's >> You could look at the website. Okay. >> I think it's still around. I hope. >> That's hilarious. Yeah, I was just like and my friend put me on. I wasn't even that like smart in that feud. I would literally follow the Discord and then >> and it worked. >> It worked. Yeah. >> It literally sounds like you were just existing and then some guy's like, "Hey man, come check out this way to make a lot of money." And you're like, "Okay." >> My friend from elementary school >> just put me on. I was like, "Yo, I seen him doing NFTTS and he said and he told me make a MetaMask wallet and he sent me $300 in ETH and then I just ran that up." It's It's actually kind of crazy how much >> So you turned $300 into $100,000. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was It was crazy. It was crazy. >> Where is your friend now? >> Um he's actually in Puerto Rico wearing full chrome hearts living the cryptoillionaire life. I'm I'm not He made it. What where did he make all of his money? >> Crypto. I meme coins. >> Just buying the right ones. >> Yeah. Flipping them. I I don't know what he's doing now. >> It's crazy how many influencers, content creators, whatever you want to call them, make a lot of money in crypto before they do their YouTube stuff because even Togei, we were talking to him and in high school he had made close to like a million dollars in Pepecoin. >> Wow. >> Like he literally just hail married into Pepe. That's >> whatever you want, however you want to pronounce it. And he made close to a million dollars and then of course he spent it all. >> Hey, I gambled on mine away. So So why not drop out of college? Well, uh I'm first generation. My parents were super old traditional Asian parents. And I'm sure y'all hear the stereotypes. It's like go to school, be a doctor, be a lawyer, be this, be that. And um I was really more scared of disappointing them. So I was waiting until like cuz they didn't even like when I said I made this in crypto, they don't believe in crypto money. Like they think it's like fake money in a way and that it's like like it'll go down on the way down the next day. Like it's not real money. So I didn't drop out because of that. And I was managing it at the time like I was a I was a business student, you know, so it wasn't that hard. And I would also cheat. >> Did your parents know you cheated? >> No. No. No. But I I managed >> Well, they know now. >> They know now that I managed school, streaming, and I was in a relationship at the time. Um, it was it was I was getting like 4 hours sleep. It was horrible. But I was so obsessed with streaming. I just had fun doing it. And yeah, I I dropped out when I finally did the first phase upon. I'm not in phase anymore, unfortunately. But first phase upon, I told my parents there's a UCLA program, online program out there, and I got to move out there for a month. And they believed me. So, if if y'all don't know what a subathon is, they stream it every day, every night for 30 days. >> Well, it was capped at 30 days, but yeah. >> Weren't you worried that they would see you online and like, "Wait a second, he's supposed to be in this UCLA program. Why is he online chronically 15 hours a day?" >> I was, but I just told him like everything, all the schoolwork was online, so I did it online and I and then I streamed. So, >> I mean to me like I just think okay well your parents have friends their friends have kids the kids see you online like somehow the information is going to get to them >> they saw me they saw me but I would always tell them like they they would literally call me >> project they would literally call me on stream and they'd be like did you do your homework yet and I'd be like yeah yeah I did my homework but at this time I already like dropped >> okay so I'm curious with streaming how much were you making as a streamer while in college? While in college, I was probably making not a crazy amount like what I mean this is good but compared to what I make now obviously is I was making like 5 to 10k every month varies. >> Okay, then that's I mean that's still really that's still really good but I think I could have managed college at the same time. So what do you tell your parents in terms of what you do? How do you explain this to them? Um, I literally say that I just like make videos, dumb videos on the internet and and for the longest time, even my cousin who was, you know, there's always that golden boy in the family when it comes to like Asian parents was like, "Oh, you got to grow up and be like him, right?" But then that was my cousin. And my cousin had told me, "Stop making Tik Tok, stop doing all this, your digital footprint, that it was it was um it was bad and I was like a lot of the times demotivated because if I didn't have support, but I just I don't know. I just had fun doing it and I just kept going." >> Does any part of you wish that you didn't come up in the way that you did on Tik Tok? because I remember I was seeing your Tik Toks like before I even saw your streaming or anything and it was like these like like I don't even know how to describe it like cringe bait sort of stuff >> and uh and that still exists online >> digital footprint man it's cooked >> my digital footprint is pretty cooked but listen um honestly no because that to me was funny and I liked I don't I don't mind being joke at Um, and it got me to where I'm at today. So, you know, I'll do it over again if I need to. >> What did success look like to your parents? What did what did they have in mind for you? And what did your cousin do, by the way, that they're like, you got to be like your cousin. >> Oh, my cousin was like a computer engineer. Okay. So, he was successful. Um, I think work for Charles Schwab. >> Okay. So, good fin. We like Charles Schwab. >> Shout out to my cousin. But yeah, my parents just like, you know, success to them. It was like a steady income every single year and a good office job or or doctor or literally any stereotypical Asian parent thing. >> At what point were your parents fully on board with what you're doing? So, after the first subathon that I did, which was September of 2023, 2024, um, after I went home and I finally told them the truth after I bought them cars. >> So, it took a car. What What car did you buy? I bought my mom like a 2025 Lexus, bought my dad like a nice Ford truck, and I bought my aunt a Lexus SUV. It was like, you know, the typical Asian car. >> How did you afford that though if you're making5 to $10,000 a month? >> No, no, no. First Subathon I made, this was like two one and a half years into my streaming career and it was the Face Subathon. First Face Subathon after I joined Face. like I kind of skipped the timeline a bit. >> Um >> that month I made around like 600k. >> $600,000. And you were you in college then? >> No, you were out of college. >> I was I was out of college. >> So you made $600,000 in the first phase of it though. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was a good month for me. >> Did you always know that you were going to be successful? >> Uh no. Honestly, I don't like for me, people like map out their next five years or whatever, but I really live day by day and like I plan for the year. I don't I don't like look 5 years in the future like I want to do this in 5 years or 10 years down the line. I want to do this in 10 years. Like I focus on the present to be honest. That's my mindset. >> Do you think that that mentality is the one that served you to help you get to like where you're at right now? like that is the main thing or like what made you any different than other people that do the same thing? >> Um yeah, honestly I was just really obsessed with being a streamer and making it as a streamer and I just was every day after after school or whatever it was. I would just plan plan and I would literally sacrifice times time with my friends uh even family and just think of ideas or I'd be streaming. >> Of a lot of the people that we have on this podcast, we've noticed that hunger is kind of one of the main things that helps people be super successful. You don't even have to worry about motivation because you just want something so bad that it just seems like the obvious thing to do is to work on it. Where do you think your hunger came from? >> Mentioned this earlier. My parents obviously I mean not obviously they're on the older side. Um like my dad had me when he was like late 40s. Mom was like early 40s. So now my dad's like 70 years old and I'm 21. So in my mind I was like, "Yo, I got to make money quick so I can provide for them and buy them the things that would make them happy at a young age so they don't like, you know, they don't pass before I'm able to do those things." Um, so that was like my main motivator was my parents. >> So what was the first piece of content you posted online? >> I was trying to be a YouTuber. Those videos are lost. I don't know where where that exist online. They exist somewhere on the internet. If someone can find them, they might be privated actually, but I was like probably like 13, 14 just making I was just talking to myself on YouTube or maybe it was musically or thrillers like Yeah. >> Who was inspiration back then? Like who would you watch? I would watch a lot of Ryan Higa, OG YouTubers, Vanos, Rice Gum. >> Uh, and I would I'd be early in the Twitch. I would watch like Raj Patel, LOL, Tyler one, L Tyler one. >> Uh, I would watch Greek God X. I really I was just like an internet kid. I was always on the internet cuz I was the only child. I don't know. I I didn't really go outside. I'm going be honest. Do you remember the first time you went viral? >> Uh, yes. It was on Tik Tok. Posted a video. It was co um I told my friend, we made a bet. I told my friend, I bet you I can get a viral video before we get back to school next week. Obviously, we didn't get go back to school next week, but um I made a Tik Tok. It was me at the free throw line and the caption was what Asian kids hear at the free throw line and it was me like saying Jeremy Lynn and Ying. So it it was just a dumb video and it just popped off. >> It went it got like 2 million views and that dopamine hit my brain and I was like, "Oh, I got to keep going. I got to keep going." And I just and that's how the cringey [ __ ] happened and uh yeah, never stopped. >> What was the cringiest video you made? This is video u four poses. My chat knows about this. I went on like all fours and like I posed in like a dumb outfit. Got like 3 million views. >> Did you ever film a video that was too cringey you couldn't post it? >> No, I posted every cringey [ __ ] >> You did not care. >> I went for cringe. Like that was my niche was cringe. That's what got the views for me. So I posted everything and then after I'd post I just like hit one of these and then go on with my day. Now, every business right now is asking themselves the same question. How do we make AI work for us? Guessing isn't an option because it's too risky and sitting on the sidelines doesn't work because when you're not making your move, I guarantee your competitors are. And that's exactly where our sponsor Netswuite by Oracle comes in. 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I'm going to I'm going to be on record saying streaming is harder than a 9 to5 because you have to be >> a self-starter, self-motivated, consistent. You have to battle every single odd out there. You have to basically compete with tens of thousands of people every single day. You have to be HR, editing, uh, marketing, design, ideiation. >> The only reason why people say streaming is easier than 9 to5 is because you make a lot more money streaming. Like if streamers were not making the money they were making and you're just making like average incomes, people will probably not be saying the same thing. >> I mean, it just depends on the 9 to5. like 9 to5 workers like someone at McDonald's like they don't really do that much, you know. Shout out to my uh burger flippers. But, you know, I feel like me as a streamer that like is way like way harder than a burger flipper at McDonald's, right? >> How many hours do you work for per week? >> I don't even know. But I'm very obsessed. Like if I'm not streaming, I'm on a call with my team talking about my future streams. Uh, and I've been planning out a lot of big I've been always trying to think of the next big thing. Like, walk us through an average day. Like, what time do you wake up? How how long do you stream? When do you come up with ideas? Do you ever just like wake up one day and you're like this? I just don't feel like doing this. No, I mean, I've been burnt out before, but I always push through. Like, I don't know. I think this the obsession. It just pushes me through. But average day of my of Jason, I I Uh, I wake up around like 10:00. Ideally, I would go to the gym. Now I'm on my fitness arc. >> Nice. go to the gym and then I would go to the X-Phase house and I would just stream and then after stream I would hop on a call with my team who consists of my my creative my tech person w my creative Sigy and my also my editor and uh my assistant Lou and we just brainstorm map out the week the month even you know the next couple months and yeah that that'd be all and then I go and then I just go to sleep and then repeat. Really, that's my schedule. Nothing nothing crazy. I don't really go out at all. Um and unless I'm traveling, that's basically my life. >> How do you keep the streams fresh though and interesting cuz I feel like you always have to like one up it. With streaming, you got to have a balance of like desktop with your community and keep your cords tight, but also try to think of the next big thing to cater to the bigger audience. Um, so in these meetings is what I'm talking about. Like, oh, tomorrow, what am I doing? Like, and next week, what am I doing? I've been planning this 7day stranded idea where I'm put on an island by myself, right? And as a streamer, I mean, look at me. I'm not a survival expert, right? I got to survive seven days straight on an island with minimal gear. Um, and I spent over like $270,000 on this idea because it's just straight production. No cameraman, just me surviving. >> What do you spend $270,000 on? >> Um, I have the PDF. It's just uh the production crew, 24-hour medical assistant just in case I get bit by anything crazy, hopefully not, or eat something down. Um, and the island itself. >> Where do you rent an island? >> I had my team look for me. But there was a lot of options. You can >> really to rent the whole island. >> No. Epstein. You can literally get any island >> in the world if you have enough money. But my island it was around like 15 125 for a week. >> For a week? >> Yeah. >> Is there anything on the island like bathrooms or like a hut or is it just like a straight island? It's pretty like it's tropical. Uh not really any civil civilization on the island. >> Where are you going to get food? How are you going to get food, water? Like >> I got to climb coconut trees. I'm living off coconuts. >> So you you scouted out the island to make sure there's like enough food on the island. You could survive. >> Yeah. W my um tech guy, my pro my my production guy, he actually was just on the island yesterday. Checked that out. scoped out the area like, "Oh, the camera's going to be right here. Camera's going to be right here." And I'm trying to create like um a chat box, a literal box where I can go in and read the chat for a minimal amount. Nothing crazy. I don't know. I'm still working out the ideas, the creative. >> You know what I think you should do? I liked Ryan Trean where if someone donates like 50k, something happens. It's like a punishment. >> Oh, yeah. That that old punishment. I would like to see. Yeah, I would like to see if someone gives you like 10k or 20k or 50k or like a certain dollar amount or like something happens to you where you have to spend like another day on the island. Like it's like 50k and you spend another day on the island. >> Seven days already. >> Or maybe it's a 100k, but it's got to be an amount where like you spend another day on the island or like you get your coconuts taken away or like something like no water for 24 hours like something crazy. you're going to be struggling. >> Something crazy. Or you can't sleep. >> Like you have to be up like all night. >> I was told there's sand fleas. I was told the bug situation is crazy. And I was talking to Mr. Beast about this because >> uh he's done the seven days on an island, done the deserted island videos. And he said it was the first video he ever >> had to leave and redo be it was because of the bugs. He lasted two days on the island and he was like, "I can't do this anymore." And yet, >> how are you going to fight the bugs then? >> Bug spray. >> Mental fortitude. >> I don't think I don't think it's fair to go to an island with bug spray. Like, that seems to me that's cheating. >> Graham, good luck surviving 20 minutes on an island. Are you doing it? >> Yeah, but either way, you cannot survive in a room that's under 68°. Like, and you're going to be like, "Oh, yeah. You can't survive with bug spray on an island?" That's just crazy. He's already going to be like hungry, thirsty, >> uncomfortable. >> But I I do have I'm trying to implement this idea. Uh I might partner with a charity where like, oh, if you if I reach this amount of subs or donate a dollar amount, there'll be a care package with like, I don't know, some type of loot in the care package. >> Yeah. What other ideas have you had like this that maybe you've decided is too far? I went skydiving. I mean, that's not that bad, though. It wasn't that bad. That That was pretty good. >> Like, would you ever bury yourself alive or do anything crazy like that? >> That's like too That's too I wouldn't do that. No. So, props to Mr. Breeze for doing that. I I couldn't. That is terrifying. >> Or what about like Fear Factor where you're eating insects? >> Oh, I've done that. That wasn't that bad. What have you eaten? >> Um crickets live. No, live. No, but I've eaten live octopus. >> What was that like? >> It was disgusting. >> Where? >> Like in Korea. It was like it squirted >> in my mouth. >> It was horrible. >> Never do it again. Yeah. When I swallowed, the tentacles were like still moving. So >> Why did you do that, though? >> I'm I'm a dumb streamer. >> How much was it? I don't It wasn't that much. Did you feel bad for the octopus? >> Uh, no. >> Cuz you're pretty smart, you know. They say the intelligence of an octopus is like a fifth grader. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Dang, I did not know that. >> Actually, maybe I true. >> It is. Look it up. What are you even talking about? Look it up. A fifth grader. 11-year-old kid. The octopus is as smart as an 11-year-old kid. >> Oh, he's googling. >> Dude, you What 11-year-old kid are you talking about? because I hope it's not my son. I don't have a son, but if I eventually have one. >> Second grade. >> Okay. >> Okay. That >> overall Oh, wow. Overall cognitive level is ages 5 to 7 where they're advanced. There are skills that look like third to fifth grade plus, sometimes better than adult humans. And that's problem solving, puzzles, learning by watching others, tools, and spatial reasoning. Well, he's he's in my stomach, so it's okay. >> He must have been doing something wrong. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, technically a second grader. You ate a second grader. >> I don't know if I want to put it like that. >> That's crazy. I >> I still don't necessarily buy it, but >> octopus are very smart. And that's why I've stopped eating octopus. >> Really? >> Yeah. Because apparently they're very uh receptive to pain. >> No. And when you kill these things, like they actually seem to show awareness of what's happening to I made you feel guilty. >> It's true, >> dude. I already ate him. >> Yeah, I know. I'm just saying now when when I see octopus on the menu, I don't eat it anymore because I've seen these these whole experiments showing like how they think and how they understand. Uh, and there's like all these things with an octopus where I feel like that's too smart. Like if it's a dumb thing where it just doesn't like like you know uh like a jellyfish. There's no no brain or anything like that. It's just it's just cells. So I could I could rationalize eating a jellyfish, but an octopus just knows what's going on a little too much. >> Do you feel bad now? >> I feel horrible. I ate I ate a second grader [ __ ] >> Aside from octopi and squid, now that you're traumatized, uh your trauma in regards to your work, what is the most mentally exhausting part of being a streamer? Uh I think with streaming and content creating in general uh it's ups downs and you know there's a lot of downs and when you're at the downs it's like oh what am I doing wrong like it's all of self-doubt right and it's like you got people telling you oh you fell off and all these things but it's like one month right and you know it could be January it could be December where you have a bad month but as long as the trajectory is up at the end of the year then you're doing fine, right? Every content creator goes through the same thing. Um, and it's mentally taxing, right? You get burnt out when you don't see the results that you want. But as long as you're consistent and you keep going and you keep moving forward and thinking of new ideas, you will as a content creator be okay. >> What's your least favorite part of your job? people on the internet that judge you and and try to micromanage your life like, "Oh, I seen you treat this your girlfriend like this on on stream." Like, there's no way you deserve her. Like, you should be buying her more flowers or, you know, just trying to like parasocial people. Too parasocial. It's creepy and weird. >> If you as a viewer think you can read between the lines, I would say 99% of the time you are incorrect. You know, like I would just take most of what influencers tell you or YouTubers, whatever you want to call them, at face value with a healthy level of skepticism and then that's it. Anything else, you're just completely speculating and you're probably wrong. >> Yeah. I mean, I think those those people should put their put that time into like a job. >> What do you think is the biggest thing they've gotten wrong about? >> They need to get a job. Yeah. Streamer says you got to get a job, guys. >> Put the fries in the bag. >> Sorry for slurp. What's the biggest thing you think they've gotten wrong about stuff like that? >> Especially with my uh my first relationship was very public. Um they would just say that she's cheating because >> that likes to go to always. >> Yeah. Yeah. Especially Twitch culture is like, "Oh, your girlfriend's cheating on you because she hang out with a guy one time." >> What's it like having a relationship just so public out there? >> Yeah. I mean, um, right now it's very public, but especially in the beginning when when things were first starting out, it was way more public. And, uh, I'd had advice from Cutie and Lewig and they've just said to keep it as private as possible. And obviously it's a public relationship and people know that we're dating, but I feel like now people don't really know what we do off the cameras and it's been a lot healthier and less toxic online. So, everyone is extremely invested in my dating life, like concerningly invested. Yes, I see the comments. Yes, I've been on the dating apps. And yes, I took a break. Eventually, I came to the obvious conclusion that being on those dating apps and having the exact same boring conversation like, "What do you do for work? What are you doing out here?" made me tired without even going on the date, which on the opposite end is exactly what I like about our sponsor, The League. It just feels way more intentional. I've used it before, and the matches were consistently solid. You're not digging through hundreds of different profiles. You get a smaller, filtered set every single day, which honestly feels like someone else did all of the homework for you. 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Less noise, clearer signals, a smarter way to spend your time. The League, find someone in yours, apply today. Do you think streamers make more than YouTubers at this point? I was actually at Rugs, FaZe Rugs, I guess not FaZe anymore, but Rug's house yesterday and he showed me his earnings. I'm not going to leave his earnings, but if you're averaging his views, >> um, he's clearing me at least every month. So, no, >> I think Rug his lifetime earnings on YouTube, my guess has got to be >> over 40 million for sure. Yeah, I would say I would say close to 50 million is what I was thinking. Maybe a little bit higher, but like between 40 and and 60. He is, in my opinion, one of the smartest, most financially responsible YouTubers with one of the best careers, the best work ethic, good investments, solid foundation, and he's just smart with it. Like, when it comes to anything financial, I would trust him. Oh, 100%. He has a whole real estate business that not a lot of people know about, >> right? >> Yeah. >> He's doing his thing. And >> what advice does he give you? >> He's helped me with uh public relationship. He just says to keep it private. I mean, I think most people say that. But financially, I haven't had a conversation. >> You don't ask about money advice. Like, he'd be the first one I'd be like, "Yo, Rug, what do I do with this money? Like, where do I put it?" >> I think he would just tell me to invest in property. And as basic as it sounds, that has made him an abundant amount of money. He's told me um and I'm like just shocked. So definitely want to get more in the property this year. >> Yeah. >> Rug, if you're watching this, we're huge fans. Come on the podcast. >> Love to have you on, man. >> We'll drive down to you. We were just in San Diego. >> Yeah. >> Anyways, love you, Rug. But who who would you say you most take inspiration from all I know? like who uh who's your mentor >> now? I think I take a lot of inspiration from like like big streamers around me and like or could be around me or like Kai Speed or even people that I live with like you had him on this podcast. Uh Stable Ronaldo, >> Lacy, Marlin, Adapt, Silky. Literally just people around me. I take inspiration. And I see their work ethic and it once it also motivates me. It's like friendly competition in a way, right? Um it just I see them doing good. I see them putting effort in. It makes me want to do the same, right? We all have the same goal of trying to be the best and that motiv motivates me and I'm sure it motivates them. >> What was the appeal of joining FaZe Clan? Like how did they reach out to you? What was that like? I was friends with Stabber Ronaldo who was at the time was in phase. Obviously, that whole thing happened and none of us are in phase anymore. Um, but yeah, he was in phase and I developed a relationship with him online. We were just playing games on stream. We met through a Twitch chat and we just calling Discord, play games and we got closer. I visited LA and I I met him for the first time and we did some IRL streams out out here in LA and yeah, I remember our first stream. We went to Venice Beach and ate edibles. Like it was super stupid. And yeah, I just became close friends with Stab Ronado and he pitched me to Faze and when they were launching the new phase, uh, I was a part of it. >> And when did things start to get a little more serious between you and Ron? like serious as in like that like when did you guys let me let me not >> when did you take it to the next step like when did you and Ron make it official what do you mean official like closer friends >> yeah you guys become really close >> it just I don't know we got some people DMing us some stuff but no we don't need we don't need to get into >> but you just made it seem like yeah we started talking online and then like you know what I mean we met up in person really well we kind of hung Now you >> dude, we're going to put some romantic music behind this. >> Um, you are funny. But when did things get serious with you and Ron? >> Closer friends. Okay. Uh, I guess when we first moved into the first uh phase LA house, when we lived together, we just naturally talked more and holy [ __ ] >> Are you Are you figuring something out about yourself right now? >> No. Uh, maybe we did together. Now we we both have girlfriends, but there might be something going on. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Uh but yeah, the LA house, me and all the guys, we we got closer. Jesus Christ. Okay. Uh but yeah, that house. >> That's awesome. >> Yeah. How does the business with FaZe work? Is it like they they would take a percentage of earnings or do they give you deals? >> What was in it for you to join FaZe? Why did you join? Uh I I didn't have they didn't give us like anything money-wise, but like they would pay for production and rent in return and we would do just group sponsors and things like that. But yeah, just be the the idea of a content house was always like one of my dreams. Like um you could probably find a clip of me somewhere where I'm back in Arlington, Texas, literally talking about, "Oh, I want to make a group with with my friends. Let's leave my dream. Just make content together." Like the Sideman or or like these these content groups where you literally just hang out with your friends and and record videos. That's literally the the dream. You know what I mean? And and hearing the LA Faze House, I was like, "Yo, I'm down. I'm down. This sounds exciting. It sounds new. It's fresh. It's like, let's do it. >> How much of an impact did that have in your career? >> Um, it had a huge impact, right? Moving to LA and and just meeting all these people, it it was huge, right? And and when I first moved out to LA, we we all started to IRL stream a lot more. And I would argue that we popularized uh IRL streaming. We literally just go to In-N-Out and play basketball just as a group and just have fun. >> Would you ever join another content house? >> No. No. I mean I right now I live in a content house but there's no name behind it. It's just me, Ron, Lacy, Silky, Adapt, and Marlin. >> And what content houses were actually successful? Like very few have stood the test of time. I mean, you have Sideman, which not even a content house, but like they, you know, >> knock I say Simon, the Beta Squad, um, >> the bop house, dude, they're printing. >> They are printing. I think Sophia Rain, Sophie Rain, Sophie Rain just did $100 million. She just finally cleared $100 million of earnings. Thank you. >> I actually saw a Twitter post today saying she makes more than LeBron James in a year. She works pretty hard. >> I actually think she must be somewhat of a genius in order to be making the money she's making. Like, you can't just stumble upon making that much money >> in the way she's doing it. That's up for debate. But in order to actually go and be that productive, economically productive, there has to be some or she's has the right people around her, you know? >> Yeah. I I mean, I feel like she's harder harder working than LeBron James. >> I'm joking. No, I don't think she's harder working than LeBron James. What happened to FaZe? >> So, there's a lot I can't speak about. Um, but I'll say this, the business side, we as a group, we were always aligned. We always wanted to make content together and >> we were happy to be in the same house together, making content. But on the business side of things, we just always had our differences and and sometimes we would never align. Um, and that problem just never went away. And it was like a breakup. It was better if we both just split both. It just seems so sudden cuz when we had you know stable on things were seemed to be on the up and up and that was like 2 months ago and then it just seemed like >> it was a a buildup but a lot of it we didn't talk about obviously because we were in phase up phase and >> yeah we just over time just realized like things were never going to work out on the business side of things. And what's it like now being out of that and like having to pay rent? Because I saw that one clip of be who was it who was talking about like having to pay like 17k in rent. >> I think it was Lacy. >> It was Lacy. >> That's a bit of an overexaggeration. >> Was it like 15k in rent? >> It's like it's like 11 >> 11k with utilities though. 17. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um I mean it's first time I'm paying rent. So >> how much is rent? >> It's like 12. You pay $12,000 a month. >> Yeah. In rent, which is pretty expensive. >> Holy [ __ ] that's a lot. >> Yeah, that's a lot. >> Do you split that with anybody or that's just like that's just your portion? >> No, the the house is like split um in between six people. So, it's 12K per person. >> Holy [ __ ] 12,00 $72,000 a month is what they're taking on the house. >> Yeah. >> Holy [ __ ] That's a big house. >> Are they a huge house? Are they overcharging you because they see like six dudes and the guy is just like, "Hey, I'm not going to rent to you, but if I get 72,000 a month, sure." I have no idea because FaZe actually picked the house and they're like, "Yo, this is the this is a new Faze house." So, we didn't really have a say in um picking the house. >> Oh, it's it's that house. >> It's the Yeah. So, the old offline TV house. >> Oh, it's not worth that. >> Really? >> He he was in real estate. That was his thing here in LA. Yeah. Yeah. >> In LA. >> Yes. was in real estate. I'm familiar with that property. Decent location. Um, yeah, but that that to me to me, >> no, I don't think it's worth more than 45,000 a month, which sounds crazy to say, but when you look at the carrying cost of that house and the property taxes of the house and how much they were trying to sell that house before in the past, that in my opinion is what it's worth. But that's >> But listen, it's a great house and listen, if you spend$7,000 or 12,000 in the big, it's not going to make that big of a difference. >> Yeah. >> In your life. You got a great house. >> Yeah, it's a good house, but I think we're moving out soon. >> And is everyone going to get their own place? >> Um, that conversation has not been said yet. I think we all want to stick as a group and who knows, we might create something new. Don't know yet. Is FaZe Clan completely over? >> I think on the on the content side of things, yes. But they still have a whole like esports thing which is doing well. >> It's crazy cuz they bought it back, right? >> Mhm. Yeah. But literally everyone left. Like Adapt left. That's how you know it's over. >> I just to me it sounds suspicious like and especially how people are saying, "Oh yeah, I can't get into some details of it." Then it's like, okay, there probably is something more than just like a line item business thing where it's like, oh yeah, like we couldn't come to terms on this percent and then this cost, this profit. How are we splitting it? It seems like there was something else just from an outsers's perspective. And I feel like most people are probably thinking the same thing. A lot I can't speak about. Not on the internet. Not on the internet. >> Fair enough. >> Yeah. I'm curious though through all of this, what's the craziest money opportunity that you've been offered? >> I've been offered kick deals before, but I didn't take them because I don't think it's worth it. Um, >> how are they offering you? >> Like million dollar deals. I didn't really look into it. My manager just told me it. >> So, your manager came to you and said, "I have a million dollar deal for you to stream on kicking." And you're like, "I'm not going to look at it." >> Um, honestly, I I I don't remember. It was a while back. It was like way before even even phase. I don't remember. >> So then those numbers were even more significant to you at the time. You're making way less money. >> They were. I actually considered it. But if I took it, I would definitely not be where I'm at today because I feel like it's hard to grow on that platform. >> Yeah. >> For sure. >> And like I don't think the platform like the mobile app to his ass. Like I don't know. >> Yeah. But being a part of FaZe, FaZe's thing I feel like is being so well connected. Like I saw in someone's stream or it was a clip or something, LaMelo Ball just like casually walking up to the FaZe house. >> Yeah, >> that's crazy. So you guys contact list must be insane. I imagine there are opportunities just flooding >> your life. What would you say is like another crazy opportunity just due to the network you have? I mean, moving out here alone, like, I've met so many cool people, so many cool creators. Literally, um, Mr. Be's facetiming me randomly out out the day. Like, bro, that is surreal. Like, 15-year-old me would be freaking out, right? Um, and yeah, I mean, I met so many cool people. I met Bronnie James before. Um, trying to think who else. Yeah, I met LaMelo Ball. Who did you fang girl most over? >> Low key when I was on my come up and like I was like a way smaller streamer when I would go to TwitchCon. Every big streamer I saw I would literally just start jumping up and down. >> Was there one moment in particular you can think of? >> I remember uh meeting XQC. XQC you saved my life. But I was also on camera so I was you know exaggerating it a bit. Um who else? Mr. Beast. >> Yeah. Um, my mind is drawn a blank. >> Who's the most famous person your contacts? >> Definitely Mr. Beast. >> Mr. Beast. >> Yeah. You know, he's more followed now than Cristiano Ronaldo. That's >> on all social media accounts, right? Yeah. >> Kind of. >> That's wild. >> That's insane. >> I think he's going to be one of the most recognizable people in the world pretty soon. I think over the next 10 years, >> he is. >> Yeah. >> But even more so because now he's expanding into like every country in the world. his his videos are like in like 30 languages or more at this point. >> I saw I saw him uh what he's doing is building an empire and he's he's actually gave pretty good advice to me about content creating and he's talked to me about his obsession for being number one and and just trying to create the best content and always oneupping his last video. >> What did Mr. beast tell you >> just to stay consistent and be obsessed. Literally, I probably said that word maybe 30 times now. This video is to be obsessed with trying to be the best and be delusional to the point where it's not delusion. I take this advice from him to always invest back into your content. He said that he's lost money on videos before, spent millions of dollars on content, and that's why I'm doing the island thing. Like, I'm putting that's the most money I've ever put into my content. I'm putting 300k almost onto this idea, filming trailers. Like, I'm putting so much money into this. And, you know, I could bleed and and not make any money at all, and it could be horrible. It could go wrong. Uh, but you know, I'm investing in myself and hopefully things go well. >> How much do you expect to make from the island? Like, if things go right, $0 go even really. So, wait, the best case is you just breaking even. >> No way. If you're streaming on an island for seven days, I feel like the amount of virality, the potential there is crazy. If you just get like 40,000 subs, 50,000 extra subs, >> that's a lot. >> I feel like it's doable. Like like you could be overnight getting crazy viewership because of all the clipping. >> Yeah. I mean, I I'm going into it thinking I'm just going to go I'm just trying to go even because I'm I'm streaming not to make money, but to make good content and entertain. >> What about Kaisenat? What did you learn from him? What do you think about him quitting YouTube as well? >> I think Kai, great streamer, great YouTuber. Um, definitely made streaming a lot more mainstream, especially in the US. He pushed the limits of streaming and made streaming what it is now. And it's inspirational. I take inspiration from him and what he's doing now. I think, you know, I think his path is is pretty smart. I think he's a genius. Like, um, what he's doing, like, he he's already basically completed streaming. Hit a million subs, did the Mafia Athon 3. Yeah, he hit a million subs. I I don't see him. What is he going to do now? Right. I think in his mind he completed streaming and now he found this new passion which is fashion and he wants to try and beat that boss. >> A million subs is crazy. I mean if you're making $3 a sub, $3.50 a sub, you know, you could be pulling over $3 million. >> Oh yeah. >> Just from He has to spend a fortune though. >> No, he spent definitely a lot of money. >> Yeah. My guess is he probably has 25 to 30% profit margins on that, which is still a lot of money, but my guess if he makes three, he's probably spending about two to two and a half. >> Yeah, I just like making this happen. >> What was your incentive for doing this podcast? Is it just more views to a different audience, more exposure online? >> Yeah, I would say that. And also, I've seen St. Ronaldo do it. I've seen y'all's clips as well and Ron doing it makes me more comfortable doing it. That's a huge compliment honestly is that if >> we have someone on and they say like hey had a great experience you should do it too like that to me makes me feel so good everybody benefits and we feel great knowing we put like a good piece of content out there >> you might experience the same thing but even for us like we work super hard on our podcast on our YouTube on our work but even then I'm like how are this many people watching our show you know like I'm like are we really that entertaining or can we provide that much value to viewers for them to want to tune in as regularly as they do? I don't know if you experience a similar thing. >> I mean, I think people watch y'all because y'all are smart and y'all um know how to articulate y'all's words and and when they consume y'all's content, they learn something. People watch me because I'm just dumb and I do stupid [ __ ] on the internet. It's like entertaining, >> but there's a lot that could be learned from studying you. Maybe not like necessarily watching your content itself, but like seeing you as a person and your development, you know, you'd be a really you're really big inspiration to a lot of people. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I appreciate that. >> I think most people don't realize all the work and thought that goes into creating content like this and capturing so many eyeballs and it's like this is the new version of TV. >> Yeah. I think streaming is turning into reality TV. It is >> because oh my the drama is insane right now. I think streaming the streaming space has been really toxic. I'm going be honest. >> See, now you said it's similar to reality TV. Why has nobody come in there and just had a big house, cameras everywhere 24/7, and they just have people come in like five guys, five girls, and one person gets voted out every week. >> Um, >> and then they have to like substitute someone new in there. But you could tune in any Yeah. But you could tune in at any time to watch. >> I think someone has done that. >> Really? >> Yeah. I think um I maybe not 24/7, but like that concept and idea. >> No, I want to be able to tune in at like 1:00 in the morning and just see the cameras and watch like the living room and again, but you have these like personality matches that are either going to like clash like I want fights to break out. I want like romantic relationships between the two and then you see like >> I think DDG might have done that. He did like a I forgot what it was called but something similar to that. So, I think it has been done. >> Yeah. I mean, streaming is the new reality TV and it's >> it's created a very uh toxic environment, but I mean it's still fun. >> What's so toxic about it? >> Just quite re recently it was Tai breaking up with his girlfriend and then the girlfriend making a video talking about, "Oh, I didn't cheat." And then I'm just I'm just saying what I see on on Twitter, right? And then, you know, we got everybody speaking on it because it's a it's a hot topic and, you know, people want to form drama. >> But, see, that's all it takes. I've noticed with Mr. Beast, too. People will make these outrageous claims that get millions of views and then he'll comment and be like, "None of this is true. This is completely false. You're saying this just to get blown up on Twitter." And then you get ad revenue from me. >> Yeah. >> It's very annoying. And it's it's weird because you can't really address it because then you put more attention to it, >> but then if you don't address it, like, oh my god, did he actually do it? Like it's so it's like >> what did it happen? Like how were you misunderstood? >> Um I don't remember exactly, but I don't know. Like like sometimes Twitter captions they can like twist your words or like I could be walking past a homeless man and then the caption is like Jason the wing walks past homeless man and doesn't care for him or or you know just >> oh wow. >> So whatever narrative they want >> whatever they want to put it. It's annoying. It's very annoying. But you can't really speak on it or you put more intention into it and it's it's it's a lose-lose. >> But that's the game. >> Yeah. So, how is your income broken down these days? Like, where is it all coming from? >> Um, well, obviously Twitch, YouTube. Uh, I do have a brokerage, but yeah, Twitch, YouTube, Tik Tok, Snapchat, and that's literally all socials really. >> All right, we're going to guess how much money you're making on each, and you're going to tell us if we're right. >> Each I like each. Well, we could do Well, each and then total [ __ ] >> Okay. >> Okay. Twitch Like just by we're doing monthly. >> Yeah. Monthly income. Twitch. How many subs do you have right now? >> I almost have about 20k. >> 20,000. Okay. So >> probably like Do you have like sponsored streams ever? >> Mhm. >> Okay. I would guess off of Twitch you're probably making like 115 $110,000 a month. >> I'm going to say 120 with sponsors. >> YouTube I would say you're probably making like 45 45K a month. Do you have sponsors or no? Sometimes >> I would say like yeah 50k a month. >> 50. Yeah. >> Yeah. And then Snapchat. I have no idea how much Snapchat make. >> 30 >> I would say. Yeah. Maybe like 15 to 20 on Snapchat. And what are we missing? Brokerage. That's just like uh it depends on how much you have invested. >> Tik Tok. >> Tik Tok. Tik Tok you probably make like five grand a month. >> Seven grand. >> Maybe 10 at the most. >> Unless if you have sponsors and it could be, you know, infinitely >> scalable. 10 at the most is my guess. >> Y'all are pretty accurate. >> That's kind of scary. So, so how much are you making per month? >> Um, I don't want to say the exact amount. >> Someone's just going to add it up, >> but yeah. I mean, you could add it up and really if you're doing the math, but for Twitch, you said 100 >> 110 115 >> 110 that that's literally like pretty accurate. >> YouTube damn near on the dot. Um, I would say like 40, 40, 45. >> And then Tik Tok, I actually don't make money. I put all that money into I just pay my editors for that money. Like I just give them all the creative um rewards program. I just give them all the money. >> Uh Snapchat, I give 50% to my cameraman. >> So um honestly, it's Snapchat's weird. Like you can literally take the money out whenever you want. So, I don't I don't really know the monthly. Yeah. >> So, you're probably making right now like 200 grandish or so per month >> before expenses. >> Depends on the sponsor. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Have a good sponsor and Yeah. Yeah. >> What's the most you've made in 24 hours? >> 24 hours I had a stream where I averaged like a 100k viewers. that I probably made 30 to 40 >> 30 to $40,000 in 24 hours. >> Yeah. And it was probably like a 5 hour stream, 6 hour stream. >> So you were making like $5,000 an hour. >> Yeah. >> In that stream >> running a good amount of ads. So that that was a very blessed day. >> That's And what did you spend that money on? Um, I don't really spend my money on anything crazy. Most of my money I put back into my content or pay my employees and maybe buy clothes sometimes, but that's about it. Do you feel rich? I do. And I'm very blessed and I'm very grateful for what I have. My parents always taught me to um stay disciplined, stay grounded, and um yeah. >> Now, when you run your own business, it feels like there's always paperwork just waiting for you in the background. 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I felt like a lot of people echo that same amount where they're like 20 to 30k that's like 300 grand or so a year >> after taxes. you know, depending on where you're living, could be if it's California, maybe you have like 200 grand or so after taxes. And then after that, maybe 170. After that, you know, you have your rent payment, whatever. You could have a really nice place. >> I didn't pay rent at the time. So, I was just like, >> so then you 10K a month basically to just spend on whatever you wanted, >> which is more than enough. I mean, it's hard to spend that amount of money. >> So, did making that money solve the problems you thought it would solve? Sometimes more money equals more problems >> in your case. >> Yeah. I mean, especially with family, like you know, when your family sees you making all this money, they ask for money and they're like, "Yo, can you do this? Can you do that? Can you do this for your uncle and your very distant cousin?" I'm like, you know, I don't really know them, right? But I'll do it because you know I'm in a position where I can. >> But you know um and I guess >> that's a slippery slope man once you start doing that and it becomes an expectation. >> Yeah. But now it's like they just start asking money and I I don't do it because you know it's family but sometimes I feel like >> I don't know. I don't know. Kevin Olirri said it best, I think, which is he will always give someone 50 grand. If they need help with something and they need a lot of money, he'll be like, "Okay, I'll give you $50,000, but you will never be able to ask me for money ever again." >> Yeah. This is your one chance. >> And I promise you, I will only ever say no. Obviously, $50,000 is a lot. Kevin is in a completely different financial position than all of us, but it's interesting. It's like, yeah, I'll help you out once and that's it. >> You know, because you don't want them to become reliant on you, which is clearly just objective fact. based off of everybody's exp like people will become reliant on that income. >> That's true. True. >> The one thing also that we always talk about Graham and I we discussed like in our car random car rides where we're going to an event or something when we were going to be premiere we were talking and we're like okay a lot of content creators are making like a common income is between $50,000 a month and $300,000 a month. Like a lot of people fall within that window which is absurd income. like they're making so much money. The problem is they're very financially illiterate and so when they make 100 grand they think they have $100,000 a month to spend and so they don't consider taxes. They live in probably California where taxes are very high. Their rent is really high. Their payments are high. Their payroll grows out of control. They start giving money away. They're frivolous with their money. And people assume that if you're making $50 to $300,000 a month, then you're a millionaire or you have $2 million, $3 million. that money comes easily, but money takes a long time to save up post tax, first of all. And so even if you say, "Oh, yeah, I'm making $200,000 a month," I would venture to say that you have less than $5 million. >> Yep. Um >> like you like I would say if I'm if I'm pocket walk pocket watching to the max, like even when you had that $600,000 month and you've been making money since you were how old, like good money? >> Um 17. So like 4 years of earning like absurd income is probably like 3 million bucks maybe like if you're really smart with it. But it could be a million and a half. >> Yeah. I mean that month where I made that 65 first 600k the first that was like my first like really really good month. Um I told you I bought my parents cars >> and I did not take taxes in consideration at all and um literally that money just disappeared kind of cuz I just bought three cars. Couldn't you write it off? >> I did make a video about it. >> Couldn't you write it off? Maybe. >> Yeah, but then they have to report it as income, which >> is actually better for you. >> It's lower without state income taxes. >> I mean, I didn't fully understand it at the time. >> You have an accountant who is telling you what to do or you just did it? >> Yeah, my accountant was like, "You can't write it off unless you put the car under your name and there and they're like your employees." He's like my my >> there's there might be some rules with this of of gifting certain things to family members. Like I see Steve will do it doing this all the time and I'm thinking how on earth is he writing this off? Is he writing it off? If he's not, he's getting shafted so hard. He is paying so much money to the IRS to be able to give out these gifts. >> Yeah. Yeah. I that month that all that 600k kind of got depleted cuz I think all the cars were like it was probably like 200k in total and then >> why buy used cars? Why new car? Why not get a three-year-old car >> topof the line at half the price? >> That's what I did for my Mayback. I bought a 2023 and that cuz like 2026 going to instantly depreciate. How much did you pay for your Mayback? Uh, >> I paid like 230. >> 230. What's it worth now? >> Um, no idea. >> It's It's It's probably worth about 120 130. Maybacks depreciate a lot. Maybacks. Ideally, you wanted like the old version one. >> 5-year-old. >> No, no, no. You want like a 2018 right now. Uh, I think it's like a 42S Mayback and you could find those in like the '60s. And those are like the cool long wheelbase. Those you won't lose a lot of money on. The new ones, the DS-class rebadged Maybacks. You lose so much money on this. >> You know, I definitely >> do. Yeah, they look good. And I got a series out of it. Mayback Monday. Wow. >> Yeah. So, >> the problem though we see is that people could be making, like I was saying, absurd income. But unfortunately, social media is pretty fickle. Like it can come and go. It's not like you're building in most situations a real business with a product that you are refining and you have like a demographic that you're able to market to and you can have ad spend and then have a return on your ad spend. In social media, something random can happen and then end your career like this. Yeah. >> And so that's why I always think, okay, if there's potentially a very limited window of making this amount of money, it should be one of the main priorities to make sure you're saving up as much post tax income and building your investment base as possible. But I feel like most influencers do not see it that way. And so there's kind of just like a limited window to create generational wealth, but no one is capitalizing off that. 5 to 10 years maybe influencers will be replaced by AI and then which probably won't happen but let's just say they do some catastro catastrophic event occurs and you know they all have to work like normal jobs or the you know that's I mean even myself I I I I wouldn't say I'm like fully educated financially like I I don't really know like the deep and the depths of that type of stuff and I'd probably learn a lot from y'all. But I do have like a financial team and someone who manages my money and someone who does all that for me. >> Does provide that to you? >> No. No. No. >> So, you found that on your own? >> Uh, my manager found >> Here's what I'd consider. I'd strongly consider moving to Miami, moving to Florida, get the zero state income tax. >> That's what I heard. Yeah. >> Then start saving 20% of your income and you could reinvest or spend 80. But you take 20% gross and you stash that away and you just invest it. That's it. And I say if you could if and all you have to do is say, "Hey, I got to do this for five years and after 5 years I am set. >> Set for life. I don't have to do this. If it goes to zero, it doesn't matter." >> That's it. >> If you were to do that after 5 years, you would be at the point right now you said 20 to $30,000 a month. You could get that passively. You don't even have to work anymore. And because you were so financially disciplined, you'd be able to have that. >> Yeah. by the time you're 30, you would be >> you would have such a stack of cash that would replace what you're able to earn today working and you could do that passively. But the thing the thing was moving to Miami um content here is better and that's why people fly here for content like LA like everybody's out here in LA and the networking opportunities is better out in LA. Um, >> you could still you could still come here and do some content, but your base would be in Miami six months in a day. That would be your do aisle. >> The thing is, do you think you make 13% more money living here in Los Angeles than you would in Florida? >> No, I would definitely make way more money in Florida cuz that t like Yeah, but if you pay 13, can you make 13% more money being here? >> Like is is the opportunity 13%? Like I do make more money in LA. >> Yeah. >> But I would probably profit more living in Miami. So here's what I want you to do. I want you to ask your accountant, "Am I doing the salt cap workound for my taxes?" Just just that. Just ask that. If they say >> salt cap workaround? >> Yes. Okay. >> If they say, "What's that?" Fire them immediately because they're costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. >> What is this? So what is that? What this means is that you're able to prepay the state income tax through your LLC. And what that does, you're able to use that now as a write off against your federal income taxes. So if you pay, just for round numbers here, if you pay $500,000 to the state of California, if you don't do this, you pay that money and that money is gone. But if you do the salt cap workaround, you pay it through your escorp, then that $500,000 acts like a deduction and in a 37% tax bracket, that takes it down from $500,000 down to $300,000. So you save $200,000. And if they say, "What is this?" They have no idea what they're doing. Fire them. Get someone else. If they say, "Oh yeah, we're doing that." >> We'll mention it to you afterwards. >> If they say, "Oh yeah, we've already been doing that." then that means your 13% California state income tax is not as bad and it's manageable and you could justify it. Okay, so that's one thing to keep in mind. I still think Miami you could do crazy good content there, especially like on the beach with the nightife there with every It seems like everyone right now is like moving to Miami. >> Really? >> Yeah, it depends what groups you're talking about, but yeah, a lot of people are moving to Miami and the >> You could be the change. You could be the change that brings everybody to Miami. I don't think people need a lot of convincing. >> Yeah. >> Just, hey, come to Miami with me for seven months. If you hate it, we move back. And if it sucks after a few months, we move back. >> Okay, >> that's it. >> Okay. >> But we just think in terms of like being financially disciplined because we see it as such a looming, destructive problem for a lot of content creators that sometime down the road they're going to be like, "Holy crap, my views are down. AI people are replacing us. Something happened. I'm in a controversy that I didn't expect to be in. They did not save any post tax money, >> you know, and then they're gonna go become a marketer for some company or some random thing. >> Yeah. I saw on a podcast you mentioned you're frugal. >> Uh yeah, I was. >> And what happened? >> Um things change. Things change. Like I was like especially on my startup like when I first started streaming uh I mean my parents were always taught me to stay frugal. I would always be like >> can I get this? and they say no and I and that that kind of was implemented into my brain like oh don't spend too much money right but when I moved out here I learned a lot about content creating and how much you need to invest in yourself if you want to grow and create entertaining content and you know that went out the window also um this is a bad quality to have I I think I might be easily influenced, especially I mean maybe not now, but like when I first moved out here, definitely way way easier to be influenced. Um I was going to get like a little Civic out here. Um, but then my homie Silki was like, "Yo, you need a Civic in a put a Civic in a garage full of supercars?" And he was joking, but I thought about like, "Okay, [ __ ] If I'm going to buy a car, I could have this car for 4 years. might as well buy like a nice a nice Well, I mean, Civics are nice, but you know what I mean by nice like cool. >> What' you buy? >> I bought a Audi RS7 which lasted like year and a half. >> So, what did you pay for it and what do you sell it for? >> I paid like maybe 80 85k for it or maybe Yeah. And what do you sell it for? Like 68.5. >> That's not bad. It's pretty good >> for a year and a half. It's because >> it's not terrible. >> I bought a 2021. >> Smart. >> So, it was already like kind of depreciated, but >> smart. That didn't affect what you did with the Maybback. >> No. >> Yeah. I spent a lot of money on the Mayback. >> Do you regret that purchase or are you >> The may I'm happy with the Mayback because um in my brain it was an investment because I I have a series out of it now. >> Yeah. >> Does the Mayback get girls? >> No. No. It's more guys. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Which ones? >> The straight men. It's like going to the gym. All right. When you go to the gym, you you you think, "Oh, once I get this body, all the girls are going to come after me." No, it's dudes. They like to see you muscular. I don't know. And like same with dudes. Like when I went down to Rodeo, it's just mostly dudes like, "Oh [ __ ] that's a cool car." Eminem. >> Are you frugal on anything in your life right now? something that you just no matter how much money you make or have, you will not spend money on. >> Um, no. That's why I said I feel rich because I kind of just swipe my card and I'm okay. >> What do you How much are you spending a month? >> December I spent 300. >> And how much did you make? >> I made four 450. >> Is all of the 300 deductible or is some of it personal? A lot of it was for content. Uh like almost everything is for content. >> Um but that was a very high month for me. I I don't uh cuz Fasmus was that month >> and I'm just putting a lot of money into it. >> Why don't you drink? >> I I'm allergic. >> Oh, >> I have that. Yeah. So I can't break down alcohol. I got that. >> What does it do? >> I don't know. I don't know. Like sometimes like I get really bad Asian glow. >> My throat like clogs up. Like it's I just don't like drinking. >> It's not fun. >> Yeah. I'm the same way. I I I don't I don't get the glow obviously, but for me it just it throws it throws me off. The opportunity cost for me of drinking is so high that I see that one drink as actually being worth thousands of dollars because my productivity the next day is completely blown. Mhm. >> And then I think, would I rather have one drink or $1,000? >> And if the answer is yes, then I'll have the drink. But otherwise, it's just, you know, it it it it's become so important for me to be productive that I can't have a drink. >> Yeah. >> It serves nothing. So, yeah. >> What about investing? How much are you investing? Are you investing at all? >> Um, I am investing, but honestly, I haven't checked my brokerage in a in a while. >> Do you have access to it? >> Yeah, I do. >> I could I could rate it afterwards if you want me to. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that would be interesting to see what where they're putting your money and how much are they returning you? Like what percent per year? Cuz I'm always like skeptical when it comes to financial managers, whatever you want to call it. Are they even returning S&P 500? Uh I'm going to be really honest. Um I don't know. I literally just have a team that does everything and everything that I do is content. And I know it's bad, but um I'm just trying to focus on my content. But I I do have people that manage money. But I would love for y'all to like look at my my brokerage and see if you know things are good. >> You know what we do so well is just a financial management firm that we could create >> for specifically creators >> where all we do because I I see so many people where it's just like sometimes they just need a phone call like, "Hey, you shouldn't spend the money on that." like what what are you doing today? Don't don't buy that. Or like you come to me with a Mayback says, "Hey, listen. Let's let's let's shop around. Let's save you 50 grand. That's it. Let's put 20% away before you even see it." Would you do that? >> Honestly, yeah. >> To stream all the time, IRL streaming, going to these events, being watched by tens of thousands of people. I imagine it has to build your confidence. Would you say that you're a very confident person? Yeah, I think Sherman did build my confidence. It taught me to like not be embarrassed, to embarrass myself and not care what other people think. And it's definitely helped with my social anxiety. Like I don't really have that if the camera's on me. Like I'm I'm more shy if the cameras are off me. >> Did you have social anxiety? >> Um not like a crazy amount. I I I I was growing up I was like a class clown kind of vibe. So, not really. Definitely boosted my confidence. Like the camera makes me want to do more. Like I feel like I have to do more if the cameras are on. >> And what about girls? >> LA girls are kind of demonic. >> What are they like? What do they do? >> I went to a I went to a LA party one time and this girl literally like motion her hand to come to the bathroom. And I didn't even know who she was or anything, but it was like a it was like a phase party, so I guess she knew me. I was like, it just it's just weird. Like I I don't know. >> So, what did you do? >> I just >> I went to the bathroom. I said, "Hey, Ron, I'll be right back." >> But I know I >> Ron, honey, it's way right here. >> That's interesting. And let's just say I'm a girl at a bar. How would you approach me? What's going on right now? Is this okay? Um, I'm probably like, "Hey, what's your name?" >> Hi, I'm Jack. >> Jack, nice to meet you. I'm Jason. Um, you look beautiful tonight. Is there is there anything I could get you? >> Hi. Yeah, I mean, I would love um I'll take a vodka Red Bull. And then could I get 11 tequila sodas for my friends? And could I also get I see that they have some Wagyu on the menu. Could I get a few orders of that? And then by um could you also just pay everyone else's tab? All my friends tabs. >> I would leave. I would just I would be audible as just going up. Hey, what's your name? >> Yeah, I think I think but I don't really like my past relationships. That's not how I met them. I just naturally just were friends first. >> How do you know who you could trust though? Like if you're going out and dating in LA, >> I don't know. You don't know. Do you have a good intuition about people? >> Yeah, I feel like I do. Um feel I have a good feel for good people or good-hearted people. Um but I'm always skeptical. Even people that I know for a while, I'm always skeptical. And I feel like you kind of have to think like that. Especially, you know, if you make the money that you do and you have the status that you have, like you never know someone's intentions. So, it's always good to be skeptical. But it's kind of sad in a way, always having one foot in, one foot out. What are you worried about though if you're like, what are you skeptical about? Like them stealing ideas or like not just being used for like a stepping stool to meet someone else? Like that's a real thing in LA. Like um for example, Cutie, you know Cutie Cinderella? >> Yeah. >> Cutie told me this story about I'm not going to expose who, but like there's a lot of streamers that go to Cutie and try to be friends with with Cutie to get to Lwig, right? And it's it's messed up, but like that's a real thing. So you just got to be careful who you hang out or >> Did something ever happen to you? Um, I've never had a bad experience. No. But I was always taught to be skeptical. And my dad always tells me to never fully trust someone. What's a red flag that you look for if they ask if I'm friends with blank? That's happened before. Are you friends with Mr. Beast? You friends with Kai? You friends with >> I don't know. I mean, I can see that perspective and I 100,000% agree that it's better to be more skeptical as opposed to less. But even the simple question of like, hey, are you friends with this person? I don't really see that as, you know, obviously it depends on the context of the situation. >> If I if they ask that and then they start like, "Oh my god, oh my" like fanning out. >> Yeah. >> Then it's like that's a red flag for me. But even even that can happen to you because if you think of someone that you're like a massive fan of and then you're like wait are you friends with Cristiano Ronaldo and then they're like yeah like holy cow like I think that you know it's it's a little >> hard to like completely line that out. I guess that's true. I mean personally I don't think I would fan out because I don't know. I think unless it's like LeBron James. Does it bother you to feel like you can never 100% trust someone? >> Yeah, it does. But I try not to think about it. I honestly it is what it is. >> I like to think that most people are trustworthy. 90s something% of them not a bad bone on their body. And then the 10% usually maybe they're a little squirrely, but you know, if that happens, it's it is what it is. That's my That's my >> I think in the entertainment industry especially, it's hard to find people that truly want to be friends with you for you. >> I agree. >> Trying to get to know you >> in Los Angeles especially. And I I was living here like in the beginning of the ice coffee hour, beginning of like getting started on YouTube and I feel like the people that I met that lived here in Los Angeles completely different to the people that I've met that do content that live elsewhere. And it's like hyper competitive here. A lot of people are being used as stepping stones. A lot of really great people out here, but at the same time, I think that there's a culture to the city >> that makes it a little more toxic, hyper competitive. >> Yeah. >> In that way that you're describing. >> I mean, yeah. I think in LA, like there's parties where if like, oh, >> the stereotype is like, oh, how many followers you got? Yeah, we can come in. >> Like that's a real thing. Mhm. >> Which is like kind of dystopian. >> Have you ever been denied because the amount of followers you have? No, but I don't go to parties. So, but yeah. No. What's your biggest insecurity? >> Probably my height. >> Really? >> How tall are you? >> 5'8. Nah. No. I'm not really that insecure. I'm pretty secure on my I don't know. >> Are you actually 5'8? >> Yeah. >> Um 5'7 and a half. >> Round up. >> Nothing really pops up to my in my head. I'm pretty I'm a pretty secure person. But if you could, if you were like my therapist and you start jabbing at me, then I'd probably be able to think of something. But right now, nothing comes to my mind. >> You know what was funny is we were listening to your podcast, like all your appearances. We were doing some research on you before we came up with our outline, you know, our talking points and everything. And when you just listen to you, not watch you, you don't sound the way you look. Have you been told that before? >> Yeah, plenty of times. It's because I was raised around a lot of Hispanic people and black people. Like at my school growing up, there was no white people, no Asian people, and I had like and I went to like the Kingeras and I had the Edgar haircut like Yeah. I was um like growing up I was not ashamed but like kind of scared to speak my own language even >> because people would make fun of me. The only thing that I'm a little bit suspicious of, not for you necessarily, your situation checks out, but like every single streamer sounds the same. Like they have that kind of like swagged out like >> yo chat, >> you know what I mean? Like like Aiden Ross, where did he grow up? >> Uh I don't know, Florida. >> It sounds like New Jersey to me a little. >> But he he'll even talk like man, you know, so I'm just out here like doing my Yeah. Yeah. Like where did people learn how to talk like that? >> I don't know. Maybe it's just streamer slang. It might be streamers. They could have their own >> streamers watch streamers. So maybe >> they all influence each other because collective >> I just feel like you could have someone who grew up in like Wisconsin, you know, like a normal suburban neighborhood. Then they get into streaming and then all of a sudden they're going to be talking like that. Have you ever thought about that? >> I have not. >> Go from like country to like all of a sudden. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it's maybe it's just me, but it's Yeah, that's interesting. >> That is interesting to be honest. >> Okay, so now we have some rapid fire questions. So, we're going to ask you a question and you're going to give us your the first response that comes to your mind. >> Got it. >> Okay. If you could buy stock in three content creators, who would it be? >> Uh, Motti, Rem, and Ari, >> what's your biggest financial flex? >> My Maybach house back in Texas. What's your main bucket list item? >> Bigger house. >> How big? >> $10 million Texas mansion. Big. That's hu. That's like 20,000 ft. I know. >> Why do you want a house that big? >> I don't know. I just don't. >> Do you really want it? >> Yeah. >> So, you think about it often? >> I do. >> Why would it Would it have like a lazy river and like a >> I just want my my whole family to be there? Like literally every single person. I don't understand why you couldn't do that right now. Like, you could finance it. They could all move in. You could call that your home base and then fly out of there to certain shoots. >> I don't I just I guess I could, but I don't know how how to start. I mean, I I do, but it's a lot. I'm lazy. >> When is the last time you cried? >> I don't remember. I didn't really cry growing up cuz my dad was always like, "Yo, I mean the typical like if you cry, you're not a man." So, I I don't really cry. >> You haven't cried any time in the past couple years? >> No, I have, but I try not to. Like, if I cry, like I I try my best not to, but probably Oh, wait. I remember now. is when um I went home for Christmas and I saw my dad and we had a conversation about him growing older and I cried. >> What about it specifically? I I mean, you know, when you look at your your dad and he just looks older and you see him just growing older and it's just like a scary feeling of, you know, him passing, you know, that that conversation. >> I think sometimes, and this keeps me up at night, it'll be like 1:30 in the morning about to fall asleep, and I just think about it. I say, "Wait a second." You know, if you look at the average lifespan, my life is almost half over, which is >> I don't think about that. >> Crazy. I'm I'm about to be 36 and for men, I think it's like in the mid70s. And so like 36 times 2, you know, 72 and like holy [ __ ] that's almost half over. That's what like hopefully I'm hoping to live through like 90s. I want to live to like 103 ideally. But still, when you when you put that into perspective, it's like, oh [ __ ] things go fast. And then I I see other things that like when I was born in 1990, uh 1955 is the same thing as like 35 years from now, which is 1955. I I start doing these calculations in my head. I'm like, you start thinking >> I feel like what the scary the scariest thought is is like, okay, I live in a different state than my parents. You do as well. You do as well. And you think, okay, when do I see my parents? Christmas, some other events, maybe I'll go back and visit them a couple other times per year. And so maybe I'm seeing them like six times per year, right? Once every two months if I'm lucky. And then you map out the amount of life that they likely have based on averages. Uh because whether you like it or not, everyone's a part of a statistic. Mhm. >> Then you know how many times do you have left statistically to see them? It could be like 40, >> you know, like depending on how old your parents are and average lifespans and whatnot, but that's a scary thought for me. >> Like how much more time do I really have? >> Yeah. >> Who is the biggest fashion influence on you >> for real? >> Yeah, I could see that. That's cool. >> What is the secret to a happy life? being content with what you have >> as you say that wanting the $10 million compound house. >> Kind of hypocritical, huh? I mean, I just learned like and I still struggle this with this. Um, I think human nature, you always want more. You always want more. And if I just like step back and like think about and I have my lifestyle and and what I have and I'm just like, damn, I I'm blessed and I'm happy to have what I have and to be able to do what I do every single day and live my life doing that and be financially free and make money doing really hanging out with my friends in the house streaming. Like that makes me happy. But sometimes I get incomplacent and I want more and that makes me kind of sad. It's gratitude, you know, counting your blessings. It's good. >> On the topic of being >> happy with where you're at, would you quit streaming for $20 million? >> That's a lot of money. But no, >> after tax, >> just 20 mil in your bank account, no taxes, it's yours. >> But you quit today. >> But where could I like do YouTube? >> Nope. We got to be off social media. >> No social media? >> Nothing. No, I wouldn't cuz that's my passion. I don't know. I think I would just be sad. I would just be sad. I don't know what I would do with the money. Travel the world. But then what? I'm 21. Have a family. Have kids. Settle down. >> Get a nice get a nice little place in Florida on the beach. Take up golf, >> tennis. For the rest of my days, I feel I just get bored and sad and depressed. Walk the beach. Get into making coffee. >> How many times could I do that? >> You could you could uh >> I just >> start a reef aquarium. >> Graham, would you quit all social media for 20 million? >> No, not for 20. There there would be a price though. There there would be a price. No, because you see the trajectory. It's like, you know, 20 million at the current trajectory of that, you know. I would say if you gave me 50, I would I would do it. >> What about you? >> 100. I would probably quit for 20 million post tags. >> Yeah. Would you do one of those old cringy Tik Toks for the camera? >> No. >> I can't I can't. >> How much would that cost? >> Oh, that would cost a pretty penny. I can't go back. >> I can't I can't give us a teaser. Like just a little something. >> Oh my god. All right, that's going to be in the intro. Last thing we have for you is a tier list. All right, Jason the Wen, let's see what your streamer tier list looks like. >> All right. All right. Um, even if I've never watched one of these streamers, can I just put >> Put them wherever you want. Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Here we go. So, who should I should I just start from top to bottom? >> Yeah. >> All right. Aiden. I think Aiden would be um Mountain Rushmore streamer. He made it mainstream for sure. Um, is this like all time? >> Yeah, just like just like where would you put these people on the >> tier list? There's no like strict criteria. It's whatever criteria you want to assign. >> I would put Aiden probably. I put Aiden as S cuz >> he was the first person bring um a rapper on stream >> which made streaming a lot more mainstream. um wasn't the first person to make streaming mainstream but first person to bring a rapper on stream which uh open doors for sure. Agent I'm put agent at Agent been doing this for a long time. I'm put him out at a because his consistency and his grind and him not being burnt out and um yeah, he's been always consistent. Is this Andrea Bes or which pro sister is this? >> Andre Besre I'm going put her at uh I'm put her at C. I'm not really a chess streamer. Asmin Gold. I'mma put Asmin at um I don't watch him at all, so I'mma put him at a SA. I'mma put her at a A. She's She went back to back Sapphire Awards. So, best female streamer again at Extra Emily. I'm put her to be put her to be Forsen. I don't know too much about Forsen. I know he does Minecraft speedruns, so I'm I'm put him at a B. Fousey Tube. I don't really watch Fousey. He doesn't really stream anymore, but he has some funny funny clips. Put him at a C. Um, Foolsley, I don't know you watch Foolsley, but she's she's a staple in the in the streaming community. Hassan. Put Hassan in like a Hey, Jack Dy. [ __ ] no. F. >> Oh no. >> Poor Jack. Johnny Salami. Salami. I'll put a mad F. >> Um, >> would you put him above or below Jack Dhy? >> Jeez. That's like Hitler versus Stalin. Which one is worse? Probably probably fight Johnny Somali. I don't know, bro. I don't know. Kyle, I'm putting out a S for obvious reasons. Changed the streaming game. Going crazy. Killed it. He literally killed it. Lacy. Put Put Lacy at. Where Lacy at? Hi B. It's my boy Lewway. I'm put at I'm put him at a B. Marlon. >> It's a local [ __ ] >> It's a real picture. I put Marlon at a B. Actually, I put I put him at a B because he's been doing this for literally I think like one year and he going absolutely crazy. Neon put Neon at a like a C. Ninja S tier. I would argue that Ninja made streamy was the first stream to make it mainstream with like Drake, Travis Scott, >> like crazy. Pokemon put Pokemon like a like a B. >> Soda. Put Soda like a A. I know he's one of the streaming goats. Didn't watch him too much though. But I I could respect Speed S internationally like known insane streamer. A lot of inspiration from Speed Squeaks. I don't really watch Squeaks. I've I've never watched Squeaks, but I've only heard good things about him. So, put him at a D. Stable Ronaldo. Put my boy at an a hilarious dude. Tim the tap man. Put Tim at I watch a lot of Tim. I can't lie. Put him at a Togi. I didn't even know to stream. I thought he was a YouTuber. I don't really know. >> I thought he does a few times. Yeah. >> Yeah. M I don't really watch his streams so I don't put on a date. Vitali damn I don't >> He's out now. >> Yeah. Um I don't know him. I don't really watch his streams or if he streams. Put him right next to Asmin Gold. Uh is this Will Nef? >> Yeah, >> Will Nef. Put them out of Put them out of the See World world of t-shirts, right? >> Yep. >> Joshua block. >> I put him I put him I don't really watch his streams. I put him next to Asmin Gold. Jeez. Josh next to Asmin Gold. >> He's the goat streamer in my opinion. >> Is he him? >> Yeah. I think he's Rush Asmin. >> No. >> Josh. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I saw him one time on stream and like he looked a bit out of it. >> I think uh >> that's his brand. >> Yeah, he he leans into the character a lot. He's actually pretty normal, I think. >> Oh, he's faking it. >> No, I'm kidding. I don't think that's the act. >> X I put out a S. >> Okay. >> I watch a lot of XU >> uh on my come up and growing. I think he's like pure desktop. Great desktop streamer. paved the way for for new streamers as well. Tfue put at a a Tyler one. I'm not lie, I'm putting Tyler at a at S. >> Wow. >> Cuz this dude I watched like the most growing up on Twitch. Him and Greek God X. Yo, hilarious dude. I think I think he's [ __ ] hilarious. Austin show. Um, I see Clav, I'll say this. He He's very clippable and he knows how to get clipped, but he he saying some outrageous [ __ ] So, I put him I put him on put him at C Sneo. Um, put them put him in D. Me, I'm put myself at B. Uh, Silky. Silky. I love Silky. I think he's hilarious. I put him at B as well. Max. I'll put him I'll put him at A. This is me. >> Cool. Interesting. So, you had Aiden Ross. Okay. Aiden, Ross, Kai, Ninja, Speed, XQC, and Tyler as uh as S tier. >> Well, thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it. We'll link to all of your info down below in the description. >> Thank you so much for having me. >> I'm looking forward to watching your island >> straight. I'm going to I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch I'll tune into a little a little bit and I'm looking forward to it. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. >> You know what? You should also have someone for a day hunt you down and see if you could escape them. And if you escape them for the day, then you get a cheeseburger. >> Well, the thing is I don't want to like script it cuz then what if people are like, "Oh, >> it's not scripted." But like you actually they actually will hunt you down. Like they had to find >> They hunt me down. I just die. >> No, no. If they hunt you down, then you get penalized. You have to spend like an extra like 5 hours on the island or something like that. >> [ __ ] >> Like to do something like that because that'll keep it interesting for the day. If like a Navy Seal tries to hunt you down and you have to like hide out. >> Oh, okay. >> I think that'd be interesting. You like climb trees or like bury yourself in the sand. Be like, "Oh my gosh, >> I do agree. If there was like kind of somewhat of a schedule, day one, this is happening. Day two, this is happening." >> Yeah. I mean, he knows what's up. He knows what's up. Jason, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. That was a blast. Love talking to streamers cuz it's like completely new information for us. It's not what we do, so it's interesting. Appreciate you coming on, guys. Also, big thank you to White Glove Estates here in West Hollywood for allowing us to film in their showroom. So, if you're building any sort of high-end properties, I highly recommend you at least consult with them because their work is phenomenal. They help with remodels, design, architecture, all this sort of stuff. Sound engineering, too. So, if you're interested in that, check them out. They have a whole showroom in West. Absolutely beautiful. >> It's gorgeous. So, I'll link to their info down below in the description as well. Thank you so much. Until next time. >> Thank you guys so much. Thank you.