"They Hate Jewish People!" - Problem With Islam Invading The West & Israel Palestine War | Gad Saad

I mean, Montreal is truly a multicultural city. Tons of Jamaicans and Haitian and Italians and Greeks and Vietnamese and Korean and right? And everybody gets along. Islam comes in, we start seeing a problem. Why? Because what is at the root of the tenets of Islam? Is it one that teaches that we should all get along or is it one that says that we will all be united peacefully under the unifying flag of Allah? Oh, yeah, it's the latter one. Now, is Islam a proselytizing religion or is it one that says, like in in Judaism, why is it by the way that there are only 15 million Jews in the world? I mean, we really suck at increasing our club. Well, it's because if you tomorrow, Tom, decided that you wanted to convert to Judaism, canonically within the tenets of Judaism, everything will be done to try to dissuade you from converting. Let alone the fact that the conversion process is a very long one because the idea is that you have to be truly pure in soul in why you're converting. And so, we're going to constantly test you to dissuade you from coming into the the club as a as a as a costly signal of your true wish to want to belong. Now, imagine if another religion says that my fundamental goal is to turn everyone who is not like me like me, and all you need to say is a single sentence publicly, and voila, you become part of that club. Therefore, you don't need to be a big marketing genius to say which one is going to attract more customers? Is it the one that doesn't allow for many conversions or the one that proselytizes as its fundamental value? Well, Islam does does that, right? And therefore, there's always going to be frictions once the two cultures clash with each other. That's why Samuel Huntington wrote a very famous article in I think 1993 on the clash of civilizations. He was talking about the Islamic versus non-Islamic world. Again, I don't need to be lectured by people about the fact that Islam has done wonderful Islamic architecture. There was a time when there was Islamic Renaissance where the it's true that Europe was in the dark ages and of course, I mean people are people, humans are humans. They are smart and bad people in every faith and so on. But the codified tenants of Islam, do they allow to use your terms you maximal human flourishing? Well, nothing could be clearer and the answer is no in that it doesn't grant you the dignity of individual freedom, right? And therefore, it's going to clash with the society that is built on individual freedoms and individual dignity. Now again, today when Islam in the United States is at one, one and a half, 2% you're not going to see it much. It's not going to matter. When it's going to be 10% and 12% and 15% you're going to be sending me an email saying, "Ooh, I think I should have listened to you." By the way, to close the parenthesis on that woman that I had sent her the clip about 3 months ago Tom, she sends me an email 14 years after that original exchange and she goes, "I don't know if you remember." Oh, I remember. You're in the parasitic mind. Although I didn't mention her name. I didn't I didn't violate her identity, but she probably didn't read the parasitic mind because she's saying, "I don't know if you remember we had a spicy exchange 14 years ago where and well, now I've kind of come around to seeing it." Well, yeah, because now you live in Montreal and you're seeing the changes of the past 14 years and probably your kids were beaten up at school because they were not Muslim. And so, that's the regrettable part, which is we could solve this problem today with less bloodshed, or we'll solve it tomorrow with more bloodshed. People will wake up. The problem is that the auto-correction will not be peaceful. Mhm. Yeah, so it's a this is an intertwined web that I'm just now beginning to think through, but I one question that has to be asked is to me, this is just how global movements work. And so, we think we're at the end of history, but the reality is that we're not, and that people are conquered, colonized, just savaged throughout all of history. And if you look at migratory patterns, so you're looking at Montreal and saying, "Hey, I don't want to have a bunch of people that don't share my values." I have a feeling you'd feel that about any place that was going to want you to live under their values instead of just leaving you be. So, can be Muslim, can be whatever. Yeah. Could be Martians. Right. So, I just I don't want people to overly focus on Muslims, though that is the reality that we're talking about right now. But that is uncomfortable for you, but this is exactly, from my early read, and tell me if you think I'm getting something wrong, exactly how Israel ended up coming to be. Was like, "Hey, we want to get more and more Jews that have been scattered all over the world, come in." Just first, it's about numbers. It's about getting people here slowly, slowly, slowly. And so, how do you think about that when it's like, "Okay, at one point, for some people that you will forever be tied to, whether you agree with it or not." But uh Jews went and literally made a nation by slowly moving into that space. And now, I see it playing out across Europe. I see it playing out in Canada. I am sure it's going to start playing out in the US. And I'm like, "Yeah, I get the game." Like, we as Americans, we did the exact same thing to the Native Americans. We came in and we're like, this place looks nice. And so, how do you how do you think through that problem? Look, uh Golda Meir, who was the Prime Minister of Israel, I think maybe the fourth from maybe 1969 to '73 or something something around that. I I might get the numbers wrong. She was the first uh female Prime Minister. Has a couple of quotes that really capture the the the the dilemma in in that region. W- One thing she said is that uh if the uh Palestinian learn to uh love their children as much as they hate ours or something like that, then we'd have peace. Uh I maybe I butchered that a bit. And the second one is that if we put down our arms, there would be a genocide. If they put down their arms, there would be peace. It has nothing to do with a with piece of land. It has nothing to do with contested territories. Let me break it down for you. I recently discussed this on the Joe Rogan show, but it's worth repeating here for those of you who don't watch Joe Rogan. Islam has the concept It's a It's a duality concept. The world is divided into two. There is Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb. Dar al-Islam means the house of Islam. Dar al-Harb Harb in Arabic means the house of war. So, the entire world is broken up into either blue or red. House of Islam or house of war. What does that mean? Any land that Islam conquers and then loses is forevermore canonically under the house of Islam. Any land that is not yet ever been colonized and conquered by Islam is in the house of war. It is to be conquered. That's why the end result is that Islam is peaceful because it seeks peace through the unification of the entire world under the unifying flag of Allah, okay? Now, in the Middle East, every single society that had existed prior to Islam has been eradicated, right? There we're In Egypt, Coptic Christians were the majority. Now, they constitute 10% of Egypt, okay? In Syria, there was huge Christians. Lebanon used to be a predominantly Christian country. Within my lifetime and yours, Lebanon went from being predominantly Christian to now being majority Muslim within our lifetime, not 500 years. What happened to the Iraqi Christians? Persia had a culture before Islam. Now, it's become Islamic. So, no ideology has conquered and colonized as much as Islam has. So, if you're worried about the colonization of Zionism, then by any stretch of the imagination, if you're going to be logical, then you have to be worried and upset about the colonization of 56 countries that didn't weren't were once not Islamic, and in many cases, they were they were they were they became Islamized through brute force. That's why there is the sword of Islam. It doesn't capture that we're going to cut bananas together. It captures that I put the sword to your neck, and when I conquer you, I give you choices. Three choices. Either convert or die or live as a dhimmi. Dhimmi means as a not not even second-class citizen. You're a third-class citizen, right? So, for example, Jews and Christians have often been tolerated under Islamic law. So, for example, you hear about the period the golden period of Andalusia, right? Which is in current Spain. All that that means is that you are tolerated until you're not, right? But you're always walking a precarious high high wire, right? On any given moment, you better put on your really fast running shoes and run really fast because your head's going to be detached. So, we lived very nicely in Lebanon until we didn't, right? And that's the history of the entire region. Now, Jews have existed in the Middle East for thousands of years because the before the word Islam ever came to be. So, if we're going to use historic historical precedents, it's a game that the enemies of Judaism are going to lose. But here's what I propose. How about you teach your children that there could be people who live next to you. We can debate where we draw the line, but there is a group of people that have thousands of years of provenance to that land. By the way, Palestine, when you said Palestinians until recently, it referred to the indigenous Jews of that area called Palestine. Palestine, as you hear it today, is a concoction from the 1960s. There is no Palestinian people. They're Jordanian. They're Egyptian, right? There is no such thing as Palestine other than it's a territory that has been mandated by different groups. A while back by the Ottomans, more recently British mandate, and so on. So, imagine if we can teach the children of our neighbors that Jews have a right to exist. We can be neighbors. Let's love each other. It's perfectly natural for us to coexist. Do you think that Israel is actually interested in committing a geno- genocide? Because if they wanted to commit a genocide, well, let's let's let's think it through. It would take well less than the time that I've been on this show today for every single Palestinian to be eradicated given Israel's might. Is that Is that true? Is that a true statement? It is. Sure. Yet, they haven't done As a matter of fact, the Palestinian population has increased fivefold. So, Jews are really at the genocidal game because population increased fivefold, right? When When the Nazis were trying to exterminate the Jews, they were trying to get rid of them. They got rid of 6 million. So, the reality is that Palestinians are taught that the highest values to speak earlier about our what we were talking about, what's your value, what's driving you in the morning. There is no greater goal than to liberate all of hence free free Palestine from the river to the sea, from the Jordanian River to the Mediterranean Sea, free of Jews. I grew up in that world. I speak to those people. I mean, now it's harder for me to speak to them in Arabic because they recognize me. But, 25 years ago when I wasn't as known and I could mix amongst the folks who speak Arabic, it was very clear Jews are a cancer in that region and we must get rid of them as we have all other societies, right? So, there are many other religions that had flourished historically in that region. They've magically disappeared. Where are they? What happened to them? Crack a history book, okay? What hear things like Christians are a cancer as well or is it just that their slow march to get people to convert or leave just So, that's a great question. So, there is an expression, a saying in in in the Islamic context, "First, we come for the Saturday people, then we come for the Sunday people." The Saturday people are the Jews, the Sunday people are the Christians. So, it always starts with the Jews, but it never just ends with the Jews because again, a fair world, a just world is where everybody is Islamic. And I'll tell you What I want to find though is is there a specific animus for the Jews? Because if you if there's just like this sort of rolling thing of like, okay, we're 90% Christian now, but you know, in 500 years we're going to be 10% Christian and that's just we are better at propagating things, making people less comfortable being here, whatever. And so, over a long enough time period, we're going to win in any region that we go to. But there's no particular animus for Christians or Jews. It's just like we'll get rid of them. But if there's specific animus for Jews that there isn't for Christians, even though they've both been pushed out of the region, then obviously it begs the next question, which is why a specific animus is for the Jews. It's it's canonical. It's in it's in the teaching. That's right. It Well, there are there are three three quote holy books in in in Islam. There is the Quran, there is the Hadith, and then there is the Sira, the the the biography of Muhammad, okay? And now, different people they could be Quranic literalists who say, "No, no, no, I only rely on the Quran." There are others who The Hadith are basically the the deeds and the sayings of Muhammad. But the the and and then there is a mechanism by which you assign to a particular story in the Hadith its veracity. So, in in Arabic, sahih means uh well, how true it is. And so, here is a story that's narrated by such and such about how Muhammad did such and such. And by the way, because Muhammad is the ultimate model to emulate forevermore, then those stories are really important because they become moral teachings about how to act. So, if Muhammad did behavior X, one of the reasons why, now you may think that that behavior is reprehensible, but the reason why you can't say that that behavior is reprehensible because how could it be that the most perfect moral person that's ever lived would ever do something that is reprehensible? That That's why you get the mental gymnastics of trying to justify why he did this and and not that, okay? So, those are the three books that you rely on, and we don't have to guess. Bill Warner, who is by training a physicist, so he's trained in the scientific method, many years ago he he founded a center called the Center for the Study of Political Islam, where he applies what's called content analysis to answer such questions. Does the Quran and the Hadith have a lot of Jew hatred in them? Well, I don't have to guess that. I can use the scientific method to gauge that. How do you do that? So, what content analysis does is it allows you to come up with a coding scheme to do the hermeneutics, the the the the content analysis of any text. So, for example, if I want to study literature, so never mind religious text, I want to study how often in classic canons of Western literature do we place greater a value on female beauty in the protagonist versus male beauty? So, there is a tool I can use called the content analysis that would allow me to say, out of these 100 classic literature um novels, 79% of all cases where a character is described with regarding their beauty, it is female. So, it's clear. It's clean. So, I can go to those texts and study what those texts say about Jews. It's not pretty, Tom. It's really not pretty. As a matter of fact, Bill Warner compared the amount of Jew hatred in Mein Kampf. You know the guy with the little mustache? I do. him? Yeah, for better or worse. Remember Remember him? Okay. There So, Bill Warner does an analysis of Jew hatred in Islamic text versus Mein Kampf. Oops, it doesn't look too good. So, you don't need to believe Gad Saad, but you have to do something that most people, to go back to our earlier point, find very, very difficult to do. It's called think. It It's very hard for me to go and apply my cognition. I'd rather just hear Barack Obama tell me that Islam is peace and it teaches peace. It doesn't, right? I mean, look, have we talked on this show about the Jew hatred that I faced growing up in Lebanon? See, well, we certainly did the first time. I can't remember if we did last time, but the So, the Jew hatred part we will certainly get to. What I'm trying to tease out is um So, there's there is a narrative going around about what's happening with Israel that I think is very difficult to tease apart. So, uh one narrative is that this is really just about this tit-for-tat back and forth. You killed this person, we killed that person. Take from If you start the clock at October 7th, this really gets uh crazy making. But, if you take it back from a just a question about whether um more people were bombed on what side or how people were killed, uh uh it it really gets deranging. Now, the way to start the clock for me is looking at when Israel itself as a nation was formed, that feels like it's a very important moment of how did it happen? What would I expect people to have a reaction to that, and then to spend time on the question of um what are the consequences of Israel existing? I won't even ask whether it should exist because now I'll leak my own bias. It does exist, it has existed for a while, uh and just like um so my wife's family lived in half the family lived in the part of Turkey, sorry, the part of Cyprus that got um invaded and taken over by Turkey. They lost everything in an instant. Turkey is what religion? Uh I will assume it is Islam. Yeah. Okay? So, anyway, setting that aside for a second, um they came in, divided the island in half, the north is now Turkish, and the south is Greek. Uh I my mother stepmother-in-law uh lost everything again in an instant, and so I know somebody who will cry if you even bring it up. It was a very traumatic moment, obviously, for the family. But the response has been it it's divided, it's done, we're not going to go in and lose a bunch of life trying to reclaim this, we're, you know, whatever, 50 years down the road. Uh so, that's very much the take I have. Hey, it how it came to be is a very separate question from whether it should exist. It does exist, it's there, like it has a right to defend itself, all that good stuff. But I can understand from a um you guys, uh Jewish people moved into the area, slowly built up the population, and now Some Jewish people moved into the area. There were many Jews who lived in that area for thousands of years before Islam existed. They are people. Fair. Jews are indigenous to that land. wouldn't expect that to be any comfort at all to the people that just like are in Montreal right now, I don't expect it to be comforting to you if we suddenly found out that Muslims that lived there a thousand years ago, right? It's like, sure, but my family's here, my value system reigns supreme, uh and slowly but surely people are coming in and asking me to live in their way. So, let me let me contextualize this for you with a very rich personal history. My brother-in-law is Egyptian, Egyptian Jews, African Jews, North African. His family is from Alexandria. That's where a lot of the Egyptian Jews were. Then in the '50s, it became untenable to be Jewish in Egypt, so they escaped and left. So, remember that story. So, kicked out of Egypt. Never mind Egypt of the pharaohs in many thousands of years ago. Okay. My grandparents, some of them were Syrian Jews. They were they left Syria because it was now precarious to be Jewish in Syria. We ended up in Lebanon. We're all Lebanese. We were kicked out of Lebanon because we're Jewish. My wife's family are is Lebanese Armenian. They were kicked out of Lebanon because they are Armenian Christians. Their ancestors, 1915, were exterminated in Turkey. Right? So, just within my family, I've just given you Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Turkey. What's common to all those four is the ideology that's driving them. What's also common is that the victims of that ideology were a minority in that bigger land. So, Israel, that's what happened to the Jews when they had to flee. Some decided to stay. So, in 1948, the civilized world said, "Look, there are two peoples who live here. Let's divvy it up." We can debate about the the details, but that'll put us into weeds that we'll never solve. The big 30,000-ft story, if I'm coming from Mars, is that there are two people who have historically lived there. Sometimes nice together, sometimes not so nice. And usually when it's not so nice, there is a dynamic as to who's the perpetrator and who's the victim. That's unequivocal. And then one day the civilized world, in part precipitated by the fact that some really bad things had happened to Jews in the Holocaust, said, "You know, it would be fair. All peoples of the world have land that they call their own. It would be fair if a slice were given to these people and to these people." The Jew said, "Perfect. Let's do it." And they took a very, very uh less than generous deal. The other group said, "Absolutely not." And now the other group doesn't include Palestinians. It's the Arab world. That's why in 1948, there was a war of annihilation, which the Arabs lost. Then in 19 So, sorry. This is going to fractal really fast. And so, I want to take one issue at a time. Sure. Okay. I want to see if I understand your position correctly on um what it is like to encounter a Muslim population. So, Muslims take over. That's part of the ethos of the religion. Um and that you didn't say this, but I have a feeling that this is part of what you're trying to stop me from doing. Uh not to get sucked into the level of the conversation about um how Israel was formed. That's you're you're going to miss the bigger point, which is I get sad have a message to the West and my message to the West is Muslim is a proselytizing religion. It will come into an area, it will build its numbers up and it will being generous using their own language, they will unite us all in peace under Allah. Exactly. Okay. Now, that doesn't mean as I say that that 99% of Muslims don't go about their day merrily living peaceful good lives not caring about any of the canonical text that call for Islamic supremacy. But that's to be distinguished from what the dynamic of the demography will result in, which is there is no place that Islam has gone where there has been an increase of flourishing of people who were not Islamic. You know, we just have to crack books. There's a lot of data. There's 1400 years of data across 56 countries. Okay? So, Israel the world decided it should exist and Israel said, "Great. Let's live together. Let's shake hands." The other camp said, "That can't be right." By the way, on his deathbed Muhammad said, "Promise me that you will rid Arabia of the Jews." That doesn't sound very peaceful. That seems like it's not a good idea. Okay? So, now we have this bunch of Jews who are uh they have the gall and chutzpah of being able to forge their own destiny, of actually being militarily powerful. No, I will tolerate the Jew as long as you are a good dimmi. And if I decide that your daughter is really pretty and I'd like to marry her, you're going to fork her, right, Jew? That's what it's called to be a dhimmi. Open dhimmi, by the way, you spell it in English d h i m m i. Your viewers can go and read it later, okay? So, yes, Jews are tolerated in Islamic lands until they're not tolerated. Know your place, Jew. Be quiet. Don't cause trouble, okay? So, in 1948 a bunch of Arab countries decided to attack Israel and they were going to solve the problem. And in which case we would have free free Palestine. Free free Palestine would not have been we're going to allow the Jew It was an extermination war. They lost it. Then 1956 came along. In 1956, the president of Egypt was Gamal Abdel Nasser. He was a very charismatic populist guy. He was a pan-Arabist, meaning that he was trying to unite the entire Arabic nation. We're all one nation. In Islam, there's the concept of the ummah. The ummah is Islamic nation. I could be Malaysian, I could be Indonesian, I could be Albanian. We're all united under the the the family of Islam. It doesn't matter where I come from, okay? So, he and the rest of the Arabic countries in the region attacked Israel again. So, now we have 1948, a war of extermination, they lost. 1956, war of extermination, they lost. 1967, another war, Six-Day War, they lost. 1973, Yom Kippur War, they lost. These are wars where many Arab countries, outnumbering the Israelis 100 to 1, attacked to solve the problem, to have free free Palestine, from the river to the sea, done with the Jews. They lose. Now, Israel, at in one of those wars, had won the entire Sina- Sinai Peninsula, which would make the land mass of Israel 50 times bigger. So, if they were a colonialist who that are who are trying to grab landmass, they would have kept that land. You attacked us, we won it, it's now part of our thing. They gave it back to Anwar Sadat when in 1978 the Camp David Accords where Egypt recognized Israel. So, Israel said, "We're willing to give up a landmass that is 50 times bigger than all of current Israel, which we won in a war that you attacked us, but please F off. Can we live in peace?" Okay? And then since night since that point, there's been several intifadas. Each of the intifadas is to solve the Jewish problem, right? In the Hamas Charter, it says you're going to annihilate not just the Jews in Israel, all Jews. There is a Hadith that says the world will not end until the tree speaks out and says, "Oh, there's a Jew hiding behi- behind me." That's not You can go look it up, right? Now, does that mean that every Muslim is walking around wishing to kill Jews? Of course not. Do I have tons of Muslim friends who come to my house and don't give a about any of this? Of course, yes. But Islam as an ideology, is it one that promotes individual flourishing coexistence? No. So, nothing could be clearer than that. So, I You know, I didn't give a damn about Israel until October 7th. I mean, I have a lot of family there, but I didn't even care so much about my Judaism, but I know that the other folks care about my Judaism. So, it became really important for me to be Jewish post October 7th and when I was running really fast as a kid to not be decapitated. Being Jewish is number 977 of interesting things about Gad Saad, but you're forcing me to care about my Judaism because when I'm afraid to walk on campus because there is a bunch of maniacs screaming from the river to the sea, then I have to care about being Jewish. But, if I could never hear about being Jewish again, I would be perfectly happy. So, this problem will be resolved when the Palestinians decide that the world life is short and there is such incredible things to do together. When they internalize that message and say, "There are people over there who are not Muslim and they have a right to exist and I will no longer teach my children to want to aspire to kill them in a holy jihad," we will have peace. Until then, we'll never have peace. Okay, I want to say your position back to you to make sure that I understand and for giving me the opportunity to speak for so long. Damn, and of course I this obviously is one of the most uh difficult and intractable problems of our time.