These Classic Plus Rumors Are Getting Hard To Ignore…

When can you tell us if you played Classic Plus or not? Dude, I'm the uh creative director of custodial operations at Classic Plus Incorporated. Do you think Blizzard is a good spot? Did you play Diab? I think if Blizzard announces Classic Plus and it bombs, then they're in like such hot water that they're probably effed. I actually think that, by the way, I think that it's kind of scary for Blizzard to even release a Classic Plus because if Blizzard releases Classic Plus and it sucks, then like Blizzard basically has like no hope anymore cuz that's like the last hope for Blizzard. The rumors of Blizzcon are wild. They really are. Here's the game plan for today. You guys are talking about crazy rumors for Blizzcon. You guys are talking about all this insanity. Here's what we're gonna do, chat. This is what we're gonna do. I want you guys to link me your craziest rumors. Craziest Blizzcon rumors that you got. There's all kinds of leaks. There's all kinds of crazy rumors. We're going to look at them today. What if classic plus tied into the wrap-up of The Last Titan, where there is an event that leads up to the closing of the Dark Portal, essentially putting the world back to what it was prior, and that is the start of Classic Plus. Holy dude, the ultimate conspiracy. The whole time Blizzard realizes, oh my gosh, Classic WoW is too popular. What do we do? We have to find a way to kill Classic. But how can we how can we inject retail into it? Wait, let's merge them together. Oh frick. What if they're doing that? Is that what they're going to do? Merge classic and retail together to make classic plus? Classic plus retail minus? It was the whole thing. Here's a video giving more support to that. Okay, this video is not supporting that. This isn't >> I don't believe any of these leaks. I feel like we're going to have something between Sod and a popular private server. Here's my thing. I think Sod was not all bad, truthfully, but I didn't really like it. It was not my cup of tea. And a lot of it came down to systems and a lot of the gameplay that stemmed from that. However, I do think Sod had some good ideas. Here we go. I'm just going to MMO Champion. The World of Warcraft 3, the Last Titan leak library. Let's start here. Might as well contribute my own thread towards all the other fanfictions posted here. Classic Plus. The reason it's called Camelot is because Arthus and Uther and the Knights of the Silverhand are still alive. That's right. Classic Plus is a prequel. Oh, frick. This is kind of like the hot rumor right now. I talked about this like months and months ago. There are many reasons for this. Blizzard has wanted to work on a sequel to WoW for over a decade, but they don't want to upset retail players. They don't want to upset people been playing for 20 years to think their accounts are now worthless and all their achievements have been replaced. A prequel solves this issue. Not an alternate timeline, not chromium with time travel, not the bronze dragon flight, just the world as it was in the past. We get to witness the fall of Lordon. We get to witness the destruction of Silver Moon. One of the advantages of the work that went into rebuilding Silverman for retail can also be used to give us both a version of Silverman that is not destroyed as well as the destruction as it is happening not 5 years later. The big hot rumor right now is that classic plus is actually classic minus and it's going back in time from before WoW was and it covers the period of time that was skipped between Warcraft 3, Reign of Chaos, Frozen Throne into WoW launch. So, like Reign of Chaos ended, then there was one year, and then Frozen Throne happened, right? This is for Warcraft 3, Warcraft 3, Warcraft 3 expansion, and then there was a four-year skip that we saw at the beginning of the cinematic, at the beginning of the WoW cinematic. It's like, oh, four years have passed, right? Since the Burning Legion races banded together against the Burning Legion. >> Four years have passed since the mortal races banded together and stood united against the might of the Burning Legion. So that's that's the events of the Frozen Throne. Now I think this is a pretty cool concept. I I talked about this too like months ago, but what is this rumor based on? Allegedly from play tests, there was a leaker. I don't think a prequel makes sense. I think a prequel would be really cool. I myself have talked about a prequel would be really really cool. So you remember last Blizzcon? I I remember a few key things from the last BlizzCon and one of them was I think it was Chris Metson was talking about the last 20 years of Blizzard, the last 20 years of Warcraft, but also setting themselves up for the next 20 years of Warcraft. How are they going to have a prequel of a game that inevitably will end whenever World of Warcraft starts? There's a finite period of time there. That's why I don't think it makes sense, as cool as I think it would be. for months. For months, I'm like, "Oh, what if the Dark Portal never opened?" Oh, that would be amazing. Dude, I tweeted that, by the way. What if the Dark Portal never opened? By the way, same thing I had been saying on my stream for months about what Classic Plus should be is like kind of focusing on on Azeroth and then slowly kind of rebuilding it out. And people went nuts. I hadn't even been to Blizzard yet. We weren't even on campus yet. And I tweeted that and everyone was like, "Oh, SP knows. SP knows." And I'm like, "Bro, I just tweeted this cuz I it's funny. It's just what I think." In that same vein, I have also said that I think a prequel would be cool, but I don't think it makes sense. It's not something that Blizzard would do because they want to do something that's going to last for I don't know, ever, I guess, which is which is that's the other rumor. The other rumor now is that it's called Warcraft forever, which is the dumbest name. Like can you not think of another? Just go look grabath theaurus. Where is it? Can somebody link me the source for the for the Warcraft forever? So interesting new forever keybindings in 12.1.5. >> In 12.1.5 the retail client that is the current midnight client. Okay. 12.1.5. Uh he says all these words and then over here the data mine file contains the string forever. What do I think? Based on all previous speculation in some forum and Reddit posts, newly added default binding profile is for classic plus and this is accidentally leaked by Blizzard or intentionally left as an Easter egg. Connect to a name quote forever. What could mean it's it's really World of Warcraft forever or is just another game mode that comes in 12.1.7. Everything that is modern housing plunderstorm is out in this binding file. Classic action bar switching via shift numbers. Oh, that's what he's talking about here. Okay, so you can hold on. You can't do that in retail. You can't shift scroll to change your action bars as a keybind. That's weird. So, I mean like dude and and here's the get this is the GitHub WTF/DFault forever bindings matches well with this post from a few days ago. I'm willing to bet we will see multiple Warcraft IP games announced at Blizzcon. Wow Classic Plus counts as one of them, but there are many more leaked games in that IEP that are in development in many different genres that are not MMO related. Warcraft is forever. Who is this? Who is Laluleo? Who is this guy? Dude, people will just just bite into literally anything. This guy used to leak legit. This guy leaked information about Persona 6. Now, here's the thing. I don't know what the name is. I will put my hand on the Bible, brother. I don't know what the name is. I actually don't. But I think Warcraft Forever is a dumbass name. Like, dude, literally go to a freaking thesaurus. Okay, there's so many other good words you could choose from. Eternal Forever more than Reforged. I think reforged has such a negative connotation that you have to move away from reforged. Reforged has a negative connotation because they blew it World of Warcraft 3 Reforge. >> That is true. >> All of these are definitely just the devs messing with the community leading up to Blizzcon. probably calculate the office every day. Maybe. Okay, maybe forever isn't so bad. But like it just feels stupid, you know? Warcraft legacy wouldn't be so bad. Legacy is cool because like a legacy is like permanent. Legacy of Azeroth would have been good. Yeah, let's continue the skits post. Instead of getting into Gilaeas after the wall is destroyed by the cataclysm, we can experience Gilaeas before they quarantine their kingdom. Okay. Should I just act like everything is real? Because I'm a I'm a doubter. All right. That's my That's my That's my personality. We're just gonna act like everything is real. Yeah. We're just gonna be like, "Oh, dude. This is it, dude. It's a prequel. 100% 100%. It's a prequel. 100%. It's WoW forever." This guy won Azeroth TV. Okay. I recognize this guy from something. Was he involved in a drama years ago or something? Maybe there was like a thing of him hating on Classic WoW that I saw. Anyway, so this guy is claiming that this post on MMO champion is basically real. He's saying this post is basically real. Dire is a city quest hub. Gives the alliance better access to southern Calumdor. We get the Shendereai hidden elves because we've not yet met Tonda and Teldril has not been planted. Dyall powered by demonic corruption. This is not a seasonal server. Long-term plans include going into Outland with Illan to conquer the Black Temple. Revamped Outland before Naga take over the Zangar Marsh. Similarly, we'll eventually go into Northrren to attempt to stop Arthus from becoming the Lich King. The time spent revamping Northr on retail will help them revamp North for Wrath 2.0. He's claiming this is real, but how would he know? >> This is basically not in any way related to classic. The only thing about it that's classic is they're not using like it's this is basically a second version of retail in an alternate timeline that uses classic like class design and combat and stuff. It's it's based it's retail like devolved. It's basically classic minus is what I've heard some people say about it. So, the reason I'm talking about it now publicly is because Cargos has already figured this all out and he is basically uh breaking the news on this. Uh but this is news. This is not speculation unfortunately for some. I think some people are really unhappy with it. I'm sure. But if that even remotely comes out like that, I feel like it's going to shut up classic players. It's to shut up classic players. Yeah. I don't know. I don't I don't know who wants it. I don't know what it's going to be like on term. But like I said yesterday, >> but how does Caros know? Why? Okay, but why does Caros know, dude? Did Caros just pull some out of his ass and everybody believes it, dude? It's crazy. Where is the Cargo video claiming this source at 245? Okay, hold on. >> Uh, what if it's all a smoke screen and they told people random. Okay, so unlike caros, I am willing to tell you why I know this. I just won't tell you how it came to be aware of it specifically, but the reason I know this is because a viewer has been at Blizzard headquarters testing it. And how apparently this works is uh tech companies in and around Irvine, they offer each other free testing. like if Blizzard needs like an enormous amount of testing and instead of hiring people, they do like reciprocal programs or something it sounds like. >> And so this person was offered like basically like a free like you get lunch, you go there, you spend the day at Blizzcon at Blizzard >> and you play their games. So this person had the option of playing either WoW, a couple options. They had a couple options including the new Diablo thing that I don't want to spoil but um yeah they had the option and they chose WoW and that was what they were given. So um so they have played it and like I said um it's real. THIS IS Oh my gosh. Dude, you know what? You want to know the craziest part about this? I don't think he's lying. I don't think he's lying. I do think somebody actually said that. I don't think he's lying about somebody saying that. But the person who said it, I don't think they know. So funny. This is what Caros is claiming. Okay. Okay. slash project Camelot or whatever we're calling it type of video. My name is Caros. Thank you for joining me and today I have to go really shortly. Uh my kids are in town and uh I'm just saying it and I'm just full sending the best picture I have of what this Project Camelot is going to be. Uh the only thing I'm putting the house on guys at the end of the day is that it's a new game with an alternate timeline. That's my new like leading thought even over a prequel. I can get into it in a little bit. Uh but I've been keeping my ear very close to the ground. I've been getting obviously a ton of hate, a ton of Yeah. just a ton of mixed reviews on the internet, so to so so to speak. Uh but it is what >> but but like where's the uh >> uh we will be vindicated come BlizzCon, don't worry. Um like I said, only thing I'm putting the house on, it's uh it's a new game, alternate timeline, 100% not named Project Camelot. There's a play test four or five months ago. This is not 1 million% confirmed, but this is also kind of like what we've been putting the pieces together that it's highly likely they've been working on this since 2023. That was the first time that uh this 1.6 build was detected on the CDN. Uh and there's a paper trail going all the way back there. But you >> most I'll tell you this is this probably makes sense. Working on it since 2023 probably makes sense because is that not when Sod came out? So if you consider like if you're if you're talking about SAD, that makes sense. Watch this one. Okay. Is this one worth watching? This one. This one's good. Okay. Okay. And not even in the small way. In the way where the thing you've been waiting for, you're wrong. And not even in the small way. In the way where the thing you've been waiting for isn't even being made for you at all. For years, whenever anyone asked Blizzard whether there would ever be a World of War, >> he gives the safest takes. Well, here's the truth. Here's the truth about anything with Classic Plus and like giving takes on Classic Plus. And this goes for everybody, okay? This goes for any anything that you say or or whatever. It it's pretty easy. If you're saying like this video is safe takes whatever, it's all the same. Every everybody says the same things. Everybody wants the same things. And we've talked about this so much for so many years that it's going to be easy to have like okay this that you know karazan crips buff classes fix you know it's going to be you've talked about it so much everybody knows you know >> rough two the answer was some version of the same thing. Not now maybe never. We don't need one. I think they're building one right now. I think it's called classic plus or camelot classic plus is coming and it's called internally at least camelot 29 encrypted builds since October 25 on a branch. >> I think that's another thing. I mean they probably wouldn't put the real name on the on the CDN. It's probably just like a dev working name >> from July 2006 license entries found in June heroic and epic and back in January Holly Longdale said we'd get clarity on Classic's future at Blisscon. then got four words into an announcement before someone just cut her off. >> And that's not all we're cooking up. I can say with confidence that all classic players across the globe have a lot to look forward to. I'm really excited to announce that. >> I guess we'll save that for later. >> You know all this the community. >> Wait, she almost blew it, guys. >> She solved it months ago. So, here's the part nobody says out loud. >> Do you guys see the clip? Did you guys see the clip of me with uh on the housing show? I was like just baiting super hard. >> Purchased tiers don't prove ambition. >> Burning crusade had heroic and epic upgrades. So did I great. >> So did Cataclysm $30. >> Those were totally went with it. >> Same game with a new code of paint sold in two tiers. So the data man gets you to it's a paid release. It doesn't get you two. It's a big one. So, which one is Camelot? Call the small version classic plus light. The community partner vanilla again. Plus two noob dungeons. >> I think Blizzard is mad at me actually. >> I don't know about I don't know. I think Blizzard is mad at me. I didn't get sponsored to go to Blizzcon. I don't have an official meet and greet. Every all the other Blizzcon I think I think I'm too aggro with them in private. I think I'm way too accurate. I don't know, dude. Anyway, the unfinished zones finished a balance pass. So, your retribution paladin funny gets his raid spot. A better vanilla, but still just vanilla. So, will it be classic plus light or maybe something else entirely? >> The fights can't ask. >> I'm just going to Nobody can. >> You have to actually reason. >> I'm honest. So, let's reason about it. >> Just just know that I'm as honest as you think of their game. >> Even when they've spent a decade explaining why they don't need one, >> not that much. >> And it's not like they never got everything. By the way, >> back in the Burning Crusade era, Blizzard quietly started building a second MMO. >> Let's just say, imagine I'm a rep paladin going to raid. I keep buffing myself with Righteous Fury. And I don't really need to do that, but I do it anyway to try and get my point across. Okay, I'm DPSing with Righteous Furion just to get my point across. Think about it that way. >> Not WoW 2. In 2024, game director Ian Hostess was asked directly whether there would ever be a WoW 2. His answer wasn't no. It was a philosophy problem. Theoretically, at someist point down the line, that may be a question we grapple with. Seriously, >> dude. Classic Ian. This is like the most Ian has This is the most Ian has statement ever where he's just like because here's the thing. Here's the thing. In his defense, I will say why the hell are you asking me that question? So, some questions warrant certain types of responses. He's not going to be like, "Yeah, man. We're doing WoW 2 next weekend." You know, like like what do you expect him to say? He's like He's like, "Yeah, sure. At some point down the line, maybe we're going to consider it. Like have a legitimate discussion about it." What else are you going to say about that? But it's just funny because you can read this question and you can imagine Ian Hakos just saying it. That's what's so funny. Dark portal never opened play. Arthus Uther iconic lore remixed. I think this is great. I mean, I've been a believer of this for a long time, right? Are the story is essentially a dark twist on King Arthur. What if Arthur fell to evil? Camelot could represent the alternative path. What if Uther actually convinced Arthus not to purge Stratholm? No Strathol massacre. No journey to Northran. No Frostorn. And ultimately, no Lich King. Um, well, hold on. It wouldn't be no Lich King. It would be Nirzul because there will always be a Lich King. Uh, revamped graphics. New class. Ne new class. Necromancer. Necromancer. New class is the claim. Okay. Oh, I don't know, dude. New class in classic plus. Maybe necromancer is coming. Ogres and high elves. There will be no blood elves. New rage. New dungeons. Beta in October. Launch in November. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Can you imagine a November launch? How funny would that be? We know nothing. Main thing at BlizzC. I think this will be true. Playable. I actually do also think there will be a demo of something cuz we looked at the floor plan. It says Warcraft demo. What else are they going to demo? Last Titan maybe. I don't know. It'll kill Anna. Dude, actually, first off, I feel very strongly about this. Any announcement is basically going to kill the other version of classic. I think that's so bad. I'm not concerned about it. First off, I think they should not do a beta. That's something that Blizzard did with Sod that was wonderful. Actually, no beta was so nice. Let it be a mystery. Now, does it need a beta from a development standpoint? This is Blizzard we're talking about, so it needs a beta. Unfortunately, there's probably going to be problems if there's no beta, which kind of sucks. But I think if they do a beta, they should just limit it so hard. Like I'm talking they should set up invisible walls, wall off any like new areas. Like you can only be like on rails. Like you can see very very little. I think if if Caros is right about a November launch, you effectively you kill Burning Crusade anniversary. That would suck. You're now competing with every other game launch at least as far as content creation goes. The hype of like Twitch, excuse me, like content creation stuff. You're fighting for market share with GTA roleplay because you have no pixel and like there's going to be a big GTRP hype phase coming up in the next few months which is like okay well GTRP WOW is not that's not the same. There's a big crossover between GTRP and WoW people. You know the amount of people that play WoW that found my stream whenever I was streaming GTRP and they were like I didn't know you were a WoW guy. And I'm like dude I was like the classic guy. right now in like the world of like you're you're in an era of everything is algorithms, right? Something that people are realizing like exclusive platform launches are are turning out to be bad. They used to be like the meta for how to how to release games. Release a game on console first and then after a year you put it on PC. What they found out over time is, hey, actually this is a bad idea. So much so that Square broke their agreement with Sony to to exclusive launch Final Fantasy games on the PlayStation. And now it's going to global launch, all platform launch, whatever at the same time because all the PC gamers, all the console gamers, everybody who does everything is going to talk about at the same time and things get pushed in the algorithm at the same time. So Steam, all the platforms, it all gets pushed at the same time. Right? This is something that we've seen too as a part owner of a publishing company. This is just kind of what we've noticed is if you are able to release on all platforms, you gain a lot more traction. There's a force multiplier there. The same thing goes for like competing with other games. Like it might not be the same genre of game, but in like the gaming space, there's only so much information that one can consume. So in September, there's a ton of new game launches. October, there's new game launches. November, the game that people have been trying to avoid for years, GTA 6 is finally launching. So, if you're going to release at the same time as GTA 6, now GTA 6 is like a single player story mode game. People are going to play it and move on, whatever. I just feel like it's kind of crazy because it's not only that and it's not just one factor. It's the fact that you're releasing it probably when the Sunwell patch is supposed to come out. Like realistically, the Sunwell patch should come out in November. Burning Crusade should end in like like February sometime. and then in February it would make sense to launch Classic Plus. That's why I think November doesn't make sense. I feel like Blizzard is basically like shooting themselves in the foot if they release in November. I think a November launch would not be good. I mean, okay, would a would a November launch be end of the world? If you're a Burning Crusade player, it just kind of sucks. I'll I'll keep it real. I'm at least going to want to arena. This is what I think they're going to do. I think they're going to take vanilla, Burning Crusade, and Wrath, and they're going to keep cycling it. And it's just going to always cycle. and that's just going to be a permanent thing. That is my that is my theory. They permanently cycle vanilla Burning Crusade and Wrath and it's just there. The current leak slate also says this. That checks out. By the way, I've also been saying this for 3 years that I think they should do this. So, I think they're going to keep doing this. That'll that'll go on. And then what will happen is, you know, retail will continue as retail does. I don't know what happens after Last Titan, but I think it's just going to continue. I think Classic is just going to be this. I don't know what's going to happen with MOP. Are they going to go to wad? Are they gonna I don't know what happens to the original 2019 classic timeline. I have I have no idea. I think whatever it is they make, it can't be a season. You can't do season of right? It needs to be not a season of discovery. It needs to be like an actual like, hey, this is this is we're doing this now. If they make this whatever Camelot is as its own sort of timeline, cuz that's that's what they're saying. That's that's like what the it seems like every leak, every rumor, every whatever. I don't know if it's like a if this is wishful thinking or if there's like actual like meat behind this new game, alternate timeline, long-term investment runs alongside retail. I do think this makes sense. But here's the thing. That's why like that's why sometimes it's like whenever things are leaked to rumors, like are they actually leaked to rumors? I don't know. But when you think about it, it's like it's the only thing that makes sense. So if it's the only thing that makes sense, people will just run with it. There's a big chance that Blizzard fabricates a lot of rumors as well. I mean, that's what I would do if I w if I was working at Blizzard and I was in charge. Oh, I would be just freaking throwing out smoke screens constantly. I will be honest, boss. I figure you know everything going on cuz you're the boss. No, I actually don't know everything. I know a lot. I know as much as I can know, but like I don't know release dates. I don't know the name. I don't know there's actually there's a there's a lot that I don't know, but there's a lot that I know. if that makes sense. Wouldn't it make more sense maybe uh to not say the release date or have it further away so the community keeps talking about it? I think at Blizzcon Well, actually, hold on. I think you're right. My favorite rumor is that content creators were given false information that was specific to them so Blizzard would know who leaked if anyone leaked cinema. Actual cinema. I love that. I love that one. I that I love that's my favorite rumor. I think that Blizzcon is going to be really interesting. S fan's good if you need an NDA because he's going to forget everything you told him in like five minutes. Guys, listen. The best the best the best BlizzCon coverage is going to be right here, okay? On my Twitch, on my YouTube, on my kick channel, on my Rumble channel, on my Twitter, everything, okay? Multireaming live everywhere. Everything is SFAN TV. From Friday night, I'm hosting that big big event, that big party at BlizzCon. That's I'm going to be live big pre-B Blizzcon event, free community event that I'm paying for out of pocket. It's a big sort of like kind of give back to the community kind of like thank you for everything for the last 10 years sort of thing. You know, I'm very excited. There's a lot of classic talk and all this stuff. That's how it all started for me. Let's kind of tie it all back around and and host this big event, this big party. So, we're doing that Friday night at Blizzcon. The biggest skitso idea about Camelot is my own post on MMO Champion. Wait, where is it? Oh, here. Let me look at this thing that Nexo posted. Well, let's do one thing at a time. One thing at a time. Sorry. Oh, wait. Hold on. This is your thread that I was looking at. Law Paladins. Wait, the guy who wrote this, the guy who wrote this is in my YouTube chat right now. What the heck? Updated Grimatl. We get to rescue Alexstrazza, which wasn't ever sufficiently explored in the old game, even though we know it happened. We also get dwarf shaman of the Twilight Highlands and undead paladins, confirmed by Holly at the DND event. As far as gameplay goes, we can expect the best of sod, expect flexible 20erson man rating revamp classes that are similar to their TBC versions. I don't have any specifics except that Blizzard was happy with how most classes turned out in Sod. Can I Can I keep it real? I think this would be a disaster. I think it would be a disaster because everybody was way too strong in Sod. The PvP balance, everybody just had way too much. I think I think if Blizzard decides to go that route with it and try and recreate sod, you know, >> I don't think C++ should be level gated. I think we should be able to start making our way to 60 from launch. A big frustration for me was that Shad was level gated. Thoughts? >> Uh, I agree with you. I don't think they would do that again. I think what they tried to do is I think they tried to recapture the excitement of the classic plus beta, recreate it in Zod and it ended up being bad because it just took too long. That's what I think. I mean, level 25 felt like a full level 60 kit in Sod. It was That's why I got too much. Do you think they should have arenas in Classic Plus? If I'm being selfish, yes, I I love the arena. I love playing arenas. That is my own personal sort of like I I would love for there to be arenas, but I have a hot take about PvP in general with with WoW. I think PvP and WoW, one of the things that hurts it more than anything else is attaching a rating to PvP. The bad part about that is you can't say scoreboard, check the rating if you get rid of that. But what a rating in PvP does for most players. Unfortunately, people see that their rating is low and then they're like, "Oh, I suck at arenas. This makes me feel bad. I don't want to do this anymore." So, they end up not wanting to PvP. It's lame. It's kind of It's kind of loser behavior, yes. But unfortunately, that is just how a lot of people operate. You just end up having less people wanting to PvP because they're like, "Oh, I'll never be gladiator. Oh, I'll never get 2,000 rating for shoulders. Oh, I never I'll never get 1,700 for weapon." If you suck at something, why would you do it? Well, because maybe it's fun to learn and maybe it's fun to get better, right? Cuz that's an enjoyable thing. Like for somebody like me, my personality, >> if I have like a rating, I have a carrot on a stick. That's something for me to chase, you know? And that's an enjoyable sort of like feedback for me, right? Like I really like that. Like, oh, I can get better. Oh, I got to get Gladiator. Oh, I got to I got to go I got to push. I got to push. I got to push. So, for me, that's very fun. But for a lot of people, they're just like, "Oh, I suck and I don't want to do this." Right? I do. I want arenas in Classic Plus. Yes, I as fan want arenas in classic plus the the player. But like thinking about the game, is arena are arenas good for the game in Classic Plus? I don't know. It might not be. Also, everyone isn't gladiator. There's other ranks to shoot for it. That's true. Still, it's cool to have like that progression. >> How do you see Classic Plus sitting alongside retail? Does each game cater to different audiences? What if one player base wants features that the other has and vice versa? What's the long-term vision you think Blizzard should be aiming for? >> That's kind of what we were talking about a little bit earlier. If you want to make classic plus Blizzard for the longest time, you go back 10 years, right, to whenever I like was like starting streaming and like pushing for like I I was a part of like that group of people that was, you know, classic cast and all this stuff pushing for classic legacy servers to even be a thing, right? Blizzard always said we don't want to run two MMOs at the same time. Like we don't want to have to maintain a second MMO. That's not something that we want to have to do. I think that as time has gone on, as the game has kind of progressed the way it has, it's forked off into two separate things and it's it's very clear that there's two distinct types of games that people like to play. And classic plays very differently than retail. Some people like retail, some people like classic, some people like both, some people like neither. If you were to take classic plus, it needs to maintain the design philosophies of classic woow of the original game of Burning Crusade a little bit. not everything, but like you need to look at like how things were in 2004, 2005, 2006. You need to start there and then you need to build out the game using those design principles. And I think if you do that, then you can have another MMO run alongside retail, you know, as like, hey, this is now live. This is a this is a living, breathing, developing game that we make changes to. we make bug fixes to, we put patches in, and we update stuff, we add content, and it's something that is constantly changing and growing and developing. This can be done, but is it something that Blizzard wants to do? I don't know. Cuz they've always said they don't want to run two MMOs at the same time. And even classic, classic is its own thing. They're not really running it like a full-on MMO. And if you're play, if you play classic, you know damn well they don't run it like a like its own MMO because they're not stopping the bots. I mean, they're trying trying quote to stop all the bots and the RMT and this and that or what, but it just runs rampant. They don't go and account for the times like they should. There's a reason why so many people like turn to private servers back years ago and how why still to this day like I mean that's where I come from, right? I was on the Blizzard Blacklist 10 years ago coming from Allesium Lights Hope, right? That whole era of private servers, right? the post nostalgia, like there was different eras of private servers, and there was like the nostalgia era, like the postnost era, and it that was like the Blizz-like era. That was whenever private servers tried to give you like a an authentic vanilla WoW experience with patch progression, progressive itemization, and all this other stuff that Blizzard actually did not give you. I don't think the 2019 version of Classic was the best version of Classic WoW. Private servers did technically do a better job. There's a lot of fun rumors and stuff, but at the end of the day, like rumors are just rumors. We won't really we won't really know until we get to Blizzcon. It's fun to talk about. It's an exciting time around Blizzcon. It's going to be a great time. Like I said, I'm hosting a really really big event Friday night at Blizzcon. So, please watch you can watch that on YouTube. If you're there at Blizzcon, you're welcome to come. There's so many people already signed up for this thing. It is a free community event that I'm hosting. I'm getting everybody excited for Blizzcon. 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