“There Is A Hit On Me” - Ex-Honduran President Pardoned By Trump TELLS ALL | PBD Podcast | Ep. 702

There are people that think you helped funnel 400 tons of cocaine into America. They think you took the $1 million bribe from El Chapo, took millions of dollars to help with your campaign for 2013. >> Today, Juan Orlando Hernandez, the former president of Honduras, was extradited to the United States to face federal charges. >> The only explanation that I have is because they wanted to get rid of me. >> I got you. So, they put you there so somebody would kill you to get rid of you. That logic makes sense to me. You were in prison with Diddian Sam Bankman Freak. >> Yeah. >> Did you speak with them? >> There was another guy, a rapper. He's very famous. They call it 69 I think. >> Tekashi69. >> Yeah. >> So the same day that this meeting happens, this picture right here, which is Kamla Harris. >> Yes. >> And Somara Castro. >> Yes. >> Are meeting on that same day you get indicted? >> Yes. When you talk about the deep state in America, some people said that's a conspiracy theory. I have lived it. >> Did you ever think >> Adam? What's your point? The future looks bright. >> My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. >> You are a 101. >> My son's driving. >> Today we have with us the previous president of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernandez. You've seen him all over television the last two weeks because he was just pardoned by President Trump. It's great to have you here on the podcast. >> Thank you for having me. So question for you. When I call a lot of different people, I have friends in high places. I have friends in low places. And I have friends who were formerly associated with Mexican cartel. I have friends who have done a lot of different things. Here's what I hear. There are people that think you, you know, helped uh funnel 400 tons of cocaine into America. They don't think you're a good guy. They think you were part of it. They think you took the $1 million bribe from El Chapo. They think you were uh took millions of dollars to help with your campaign for 2013. They have a lot of bad things to say about you, which we'll talk about a lot of that stuff. And you have a PowerPoint here with us, so we'll we'll learn about that as well. Then there's a complete opposite side. The other side is a group of people who say you lowered smuggling when you became president. You got rid of a lot of these cartels. The cartel didn't like you because you were hurting their business because to sell cocaine 84% of cocaine is made in Colombia and the world and it goes from Colombia to Venezuela to Honduras. They have to go Honduras to Guatemala to Mexico then here. So they produce it here for $1,750 then goes to Honduras $13,500 then it goes 17 then US4,000. If it goes to New York City this is 2016 numbers I'm giving to you and they say you stop this. So because you stopped it um and you were hurting business, they started saying, "No, you're behind at all this other stuff to throw you under the bus." So then you got served 45 years and we've all seen the video with you walking up Rob if you want to put it up. And they said, "No, this guy's going away for jail. He's a bad guy." But the real bad guys were the ones that wanted to hurt you. So some say that's what happened. And then some people who are more uh uh pro uh Trump folks had more of a technical question for you. They wanted to know how is it in a country like Honduras where presidents can only serve one term for four years. You were able to get Supreme Court to change things to run a second term and they want to know how some people in America can do that for President Trump to run for a third term. So they're asking a technical question from you. But having said that, who are you? Can you share with the people your story? Why you're here? Why you're even willing to go talk to camera after being part? The audience wants to know. Well, again, thank you Patrick for having Thank you all the team. >> Uh, the reason because I'm here is because I want the world to know the truth. >> Okay. >> When I was sentenced, I told the judge and looked to the press and said, "Tell the world that I am an innocent man." Sooner or later, you would find out. Now that you are giving me the opportunity, we are going to talk about things that I haven't said it before. Okay. >> And I encourage you that you can go deep into this and you are going to see things that are really scary. I couldn't believe that after being called the champion against narot trafficking in Central America. Then the deep state and some agents, some public official in the United States, they were indictating me when they were giving me recognition prices. How this started? Honduras became the main bridge between South and North America for drugs to come through Honduras and then to Mexico as you said before. But the thing is this, with that cames a heavy price to the Honduran people. 80% of all the violence was related with drug trafficking. So when you wake up and somebody tell you, I was a speaker of Congress and somebody said to me, Mr. Speaker, this morning we have the report 76 people were killed last night. And I said and the day before 75 and we are just 8 million people. When you have that kind of problem you cannot in myself I cannot look the other way. If you look the other way it's because you already made a decision not to do that but I am not that kind of guy. And when and when I when I was trying to do something some other people in Congress they were telling me look Mr. Mr. Speaker, they are going to kill us. Remember a couple of months ago, two two years ago, they called the two anti-dog anti-drug sards that we have in Honduras. >> But remember what happened in Colombia when we when they passed the extradition law >> a lot of terrorist attacks, a lot of killings, judges, policemen, so many other. So people were was scared. But I said, you know, we have to do it. And what I did was what nobody wanted to do. So we amended our constitution to allow the extradition for almost a century. It wasn't allowed extradition of Honduran nationals to any other country to do that. I know that I was putting my life in risk but most scary for me was putting my family's life in risk. Mhm. >> But at one point you have to make the decision what are the country that we are going to inherit our children if there is a mess. Then we became the country with the highest mortal rate in the planet. >> Wow. What year was this? What year is this? >> Was from 2000 2009 8 9 10 and 11. and I became a speaker of the house in 20 in 2010. So I started to create those instruments in order to go after the narot traffickers. I did also lead and approve in Congress the anti- laundry money law, the ceasing law. We create a very controversial law that some people from the United States didn't like it. the Democrats but from the very far left they call it the shooting down low illegals planes were coming from Venezuela with cargo and all of them were landing in Honduras and what happened and this and this what I'm going to say I haven't had said it before I became president there were three deadly incidents in Honduras. They shoot down three planes. But you know what happened with the chief of the air force? Because of the pressure of the US government, the democratic administration, the con the president of Honduras at that time, he fired the chief of the air force. And when I realized that I said how can you do that if this guy what is he's doing is doing his duty in any country if there is in illegal plane caring drugs that are deadly and it is in the Honduran airspace what are you going to do you have to do something and they fire him so I said we are going to create a law with all the protocols based in the international treaties and we create that law. But before I be I started as a president, I received the the visit of the US ambassador. >> By the way, who fired him? Was it Roberto? >> No. >> Michelit who who fired him? >> The guy who fired was Pepe Lobo. >> Pepe Lobo. >> But he's from the same party as you. >> Yes. >> So he's also Republican. >> He would be a conservative. >> He's kind of a conservative. >> Okay. So, just to bring context, so the one prior to him, Roberto Micheli, if I'm saying it correctly, uh uh he was a Democrat. He's a liberal. Then Lobo is previous to you, comes in. He fires the chief of air force who shot down three planes that were flying drugs into Honduras and then going to the next state. >> Yes. What? How did he explain that to the people when he fired a chief of air force? What did he say on TV? >> They didn't say anything. When I asked them, they told me we have a pressure from the United States saying that we cannot do that. And I say why? And they said that sometime ago in Peru there was an accident. They took down a a civilian plane. We the there were some passengers from missionary people, nuns and I said now we have to create a law to be sure of that or air force although it is small but this is the most professional in the region but when we create that I'm going to say something else too that I haven't said it before and you if you dig into the classified uh cables from the state department and also from the defense department you are going to find out. I met with the former south commander before I became president. It was in January of 201 14 was a private meeting, but then he make it public because he went to have a meeting in this in the Senate and we talk about with him was General Kelly and I told him, "Listen, General Kelly, you know what what's going on in Honduras. We are going to extradite people. >> It's going to be dangerous. We need the backup of the United States because we are not as big as Colombia to support the terrorist attack that we are expecting. We are going to to transform the police. I need to use the military force because as in the United States, the military in Honduras is very well regarded by the people. So, we have to create so many other instruments, but but we want to work side by side with you. I have to reform the tax collection system and so many other things and I and he said but if you use that law the children down law we are going to be with our hands tied because the state department doesn't like that and I said listen the new law is based on the international treaty of Chicago and there is a lot of protocols that and and we are professionals in regarding our air force and So later on I found out when I saw the cables during my my trial the class the declassified cables that he told the state department the president Hernandez told me that he was going to do this because it was a very important deterrent after a year he said it in Congress before that law let's say every year was about 300 flights illegal flights after that law we have just two and so that's the reason because in the in the international uh narcotics strategic report that the United States issues every year we are improving the whole time that I was in office and I my government was certified also as a trusted partner in the fight against narot traffickers and who made those reports the DA the coast guard but also also customs and there is a in Key West they have a task force of 19 agencies monitoring that. I was invited there with the my whole security council team and was invited to the White House, to the CIA, to the FBI, to the DA at the very high level and we were discussing how this fight was going on and everybody was saying Juan Orlando is doing unprecedented things and the results are historic. But also they said Juan Orlando he's a man of his word. He managed to approach the extradition when he was the speaker of Congress and then when he became president he was the first to use that. We extradite during my term about 30 kingping from Honduras but later on they used that extradition treaty to extradited me. How is that hypocrisy? >> Who did us? >> The the Biden administration. >> The Biden. Now, we know General Kelly and Trump uh you know how General Kelly feels about Trump. >> Yeah. >> Couple years ago, he called him a true fascist and made some comments. But while you're saying this, I want to show something with stats. Rob, can you pull up what happened under the president's uh watch? Zoom in a little bit when he was talking about crime. So, this is Honduras intentional homicide rate per 100,000 population from 20 to 2025. You notice 48.3 per 100,000 goes up, goes up, goes up, keep going. 2008 555, 2009 64, 2010 74 per 100. Then it's 83 82 backto back. Then you get elected 2013. Then it's 72 65 55 54 40 38 4135 38 34 and obviously the lowest levels we've seen from 2000. So what you were doing was working. You said you extradited 30 kingpins out. But when you say uh Biden's administration, Obama, it seems like you were at one point an ally of Obama, Biden, and Trump. You've gotten along with the left and you've gotten along with the right. What happened for the Democrats to all of a sudden uh switch on you, flip on you and come in and you know arrest you and you're getting 45 years in prison. You know the numbers that we've seen. What happened is very simple. My policies didn't always match the desires of the Democratic administration. >> Such as, >> for example, >> please >> using the military to fight violence. I create a military police for public order. In our constitution, the military has the duty to do public order, too. But we didn't have that uh unit. So I create that special unit. You know what I was told by the state department? >> You shouldn't be doing that, Mr. President, because you are you are militarizing the security of your country. And I said, are you aware that we have we have the highest murder rate in the planet? Are you aware of the corruption in the civilian police? Are you aware of that? Who are you saying this to? >> To the State Department guys. >> What specific name? Who who are you? How high your ranking of leaders in American politics are you speaking to? >> People who were representing the Honduran desk in the in the State Department and but also I told them listen if you are pressuring me to go back in this you are asking me to undo what I told the Honduran people that I was going to do during my campaign. Got I am not that kind of guy. And I said if you don't want to help us although this problem of passing drugs to Honduras and this moderate you are responsible because in your country you consume the drugs and we are responsible also as a country because it it goes through Honduras and the guys in South America are responsible too because they produce it. We have to work together and everybody do this his part. But if you don't want to do it, I have to do it because it is my country. It is my people who are dying. It is my state who's becoming more corrupt because of this. At one point there was a judge. He was going to have a hearing about ano and you know 15 days before his son disappeared. And the same day that was going to be the hearing, the little boy came in into the building of the judge. What do you think that he was going to do? They kill in public in the street the antidog aristed Gonzalez and then this the one who was going to follow after him they kill him also because in a problem like this of course not that famous like you like yours but he was saying in Honduras everybody knows each other. We know who the narot traffickers are. We know who are the public official who are doing business or meetings with them. The police is a highly corrupt police force and we have to do something about that >> in Honduras. >> In Honduras >> and that judge was in Honduras. >> No, this is anti- drug. He was an anti-rog but he also worked in Congress because he was from the uh Christian Democratic Party. He was like an advisor for that whip. >> But this judge who they took his son for 15 days and he reappeared in court in a building the day of. That judge was in Honduras. >> Was in Honduras. >> He was And who took his son away for 15 days? Who was it? >> One cartel >> from Mexico or from >> No, from Honduras. >> From Honduras. Yes. >> Okay. Got it. So I'm assuming he sided with Narcos on that with Narco on that day. >> He resigned it. He went lost. And so we have to create we have to use the advantage as I saw at that at that time. I have to use the advantage of getting together with the United States to get rid of those guys. >> Other people in Honduras said you cannot allow that somebody else other state is going to judge Hondurans. And I said listen we are in a point that we are going to lose our country. We have to do something about that. The former president Mel Sallaya who is the husband of the actual lady president Shomar Castro once told me you made a mistake approving the extradition and I said why you know that we need help to get rid of this what's the biggest problem in Honduras and he said well the Americans are are not f of anybody you will learn that but then time passed and he opposed ose the extradition law. But then >> Manuel Zlay >> Manuel Zlay, but then he was asked for a guy from the United States, uh, are you going to get rid of the extradition when they won in 2021? He said, "We will, but first we are going to use it to extradite Juan Orlando." Me. >> You're the last person they extradited. >> No, but I was the first in his when they started. >> But the the funny thing is this. He said that and then a very high-profile leader from his party, Liberal Party, but the very radical left, he was bragging in public and he said in the in public television, he said, "Of course, 6 months before the election, we were called from the US embassy and we sit with the lady candidate and we make a that they were going to get rid of Juan Orlando and we agree not to go to China because during my government we have relationship with Taiwan. We didn't have work with China. But then that's the reason because the former vice president Kamala Harris went to the inauguration of the lady president Somar Castro and the same day at the same time that they were having a meeting the the vice president Harris and and the president Castro was the time in which they were putting my indictment over here. You see how synchronized it was? >> Okay. So, the same day that this meeting happens, this picture right here, which is Kamla Harris, >> Yes. >> and Somar Castro. >> Yes. >> Are meeting on that same day, you get indicted? >> Yes. >> Same exact day. >> The same exact day. >> Okay. So now, so what what what the average person would speculate is the fact that they came in supported her to indict you to say you do that we'll back you up. Is that what you're speculating of what happened? It is not a speculation. It is what has happened. But also in addition to that, you see this they the left in Honduras is really close with the left in Venezuela. They are so close that you see the connection with the the attorney general Pan Bon decided about three four months ago that the Honduran government was receiving money to allow drugs coming from Venezuela passing through Mexico. He she said it because she knew something about that. And have you heard about the cartel de loles? That's the cartel in Venezuela. The thing is this, when I was in office, I called the Venezuelan ambassador during my first term and I told, "Mr. Ambassador, we have a problem. Two things. A lot of Venezuelans are here in Honduras. They are claiming that your government is having a repression. You don't allow them to go to the street and don't you don't respect the result of the elections. And the other thing is look at these maps. Look at this tric flights coming from Venezuela to Honduras. I said I already spoke to the president in Colombia and they are helping us to stop that because in my government we create like a maritime chill in the Atlantic and aerial chill in the air and land chills to stop drugs coming through our territory. And so I am going to ask you ask the president of your country to help us to stop this. And I asked him three times and at the end I said if you don't have an answer in the next 15 days you are going to have to leave my country because you don't want to help us with the main problem that we have. And at the end he said I haven't have any answer from my government. >> And this is Venezuela. >> This is Venezuela. the same the same guys that so the left in Honduras and the left in in Venezuela they started a campaign saying that I they were calling me a dictator because I was using the military to stop violence. Then they said narco dictatorship. But the reason because they la they launched that campaign but was because they were trying to hide the links that the lie party the very left party in Honduras had with the narcos. Now it is public a video that I couldn't see it properly during my trial because I I didn't have the time. I see it more with more uh time after my trial and the video is so clear. the brother of the former president who is the um brother-in-law of the lady president was seated with the main narcos in Honduras making deals saying the narcos was saying the only chance that we have is for these guys to win and if they win they're going to get rid of the extradition and the other laws that I had created when I was a speaker at that time were about three three weeks before the election that I want to show Mara Castro but also they said if we don't do this we are I don't want to say the word but was a a curse word like a they were going to be very complicated and so that video is exculpatory but they didn't allow me to use it in my trial >> is that video public >> it is public >> and is it in Spanish or is it in English. >> It is in Spanish and translated to English. >> Do we have that video? >> I'm going to find it right now. >> I I I think you do. And >> was it in the email that was sent to him? >> I think so. >> Okay. Can you look for And what would be the video if he wanted to look for it? What word should he type to find a video? >> Um, >> no. Was Carlos Sallaya >> typing control F Carlos. >> Carlosa and uh Narcos could be liaros meeting. And at the end they were they were in in an agreement saying that they were going to support with I think was 650,000 dollars and some other uh uh help to win the election. So they wanted them the the radar left to win the election in order for me to lose because I was they know what's going to happen if I win. And when I win, when I won, we seized almost a billion dollars. And this guy was the same guy who was almost in trial. And when he was asked, if you are accusing Juan Orlando of this, do you have any evidence? And he said, "No, I don't have anything. Do you have any record of calls? Do you have a video? Do you have an audio? Do you have a document?" I don't have, but you do have a lot of videos from other people. and he said, "Yes, I did." And this is also that I haven't said it before. When I was reviewing my my my my they call it discovery, I saw the interviews that this guy have with the DA. They met in Bise and this meeting was published by the New York Times a week before I won the election. they were started to have a a meeting to to work together. So he was asked he and his brother tell us the names of the Honduran politicians public official that you work with and you paid them in order to do your business of narot traffickants. So they give a lot of names but they didn't mention my name and at that time I was the most recognized politician because I just a couple of weeks have won the election. Why they didn't mention me at all for three years that they were talking with the DA? They mentioned me after because they knew that that that was the the the jail free card that they need. And uh when he was asked in in on trial, so tell us why did you leave Honduras and came to the United States? And he said, well, because we were afraid of the extradition. We were afraid of being incarcerated in Honduras. And so how he was saying that he was protected. And this is the kind of witnesses that they presented in my trial. >> So uh that's interesting. So Kamla comes in. Ziomaro's uh Ziamara's uh uh brother was involved. Rob, do you have that clip? >> I do. >> So, let's look at this here. Can you go back and verify what he just said? You just had something pulled up right there. September 2024, an investig organization and site crime released a video recorded in 2013 that purposely per uh uh purportedly showed Carlos Zlaya, which is the brother, a prominent congressman and brother of current first gentleman, Manuel Zlaya, at a meeting with the leaders of Las uh drug trafficking organization. The discussion in the video the drug traffickers discussed offering more than $525,000 in bribes, some of which claimed would go to the commander and apparent reference to Manuel Zlaya, Zomato Castro's husband. Aftermath, Carlos acknowledged that the meeting did take place and he resigned from his leadership position in Congress, but stated he was unaware that individuals illicit businesses. President Castro described her brother-in-law's actions as a deplorable error. So now somebody can say the following to you respectfully. Somebody could say okay that's obviously makes sense and I want to go back to Kla Harris and I got some questions for you there. But your brother Tony Hernandez, right? Your brother Tony Hernandez, who is facing life right now, he was in Congress previously himself, I believe, and he had ties to drugs, uh, to traffickers. Uh, even at one point there was even a the brick, you know, would they would put the logo of the bricks on the bricks of cocaine that they would sell. Your brother's letters are on a brick of cocaine that says TH. Similar to the Tommy Hilfiger logo, uh, TH, which is Tony Hernandez. That's the brick right there, Rob. Yeah, that's what the brick looks like. TH that says Tony Hernandez. I'm sure you've seen this before. And you know, uh, his link with a guy he used to do business with because he had, uh, locations both in Colombia and in Honduras making cocaine, dealing with a guy named Ralpho. Uh uh uh I have his name Rodo. Um let me give the full name because I want to make sure I get this correctly. I don't want to get this wrong. >> There was a witness >> Elsino I believe his name was. >> Uh no El Rojo. >> Uh if if El Rojo is somebody else that according to my investigation, Rob, if you want to pull up this guy, uh the Is that it? Ralffo Alfredo Vergara Bonifante, also known as Elsino, in coverage tied to your brother Tony Hernandez's case, as described as a cocaine Colombian cocaine supplier partner. He's a hitman. He's part of, you know, Senelo. So, what the outside would say, respectfully, Mr. president is you can't make the claim of the current president's ties that the brother accepted bribes because your brother did the same thing and he's facing life today. This guy stepped down. Yours is facing life, right? Um so to somebody that may say I don't know if you have you can really make that argument. What would you say to somebody knowing your brother had ties to getting money and is facing life today? First of all, now that I have reviewed my discovery and in that discovery was all the information about my brother's uh trial, I am convinced nothing of that was true. But I am going to tell you something else, >> please. When I saw the style of life of my brother, he didn't have even a new car. He didn't have even even a money in his account. Everybody knew him in Honduras. He was an average guy, a very young guy. When you saw the whole thing that they create about him, everybody was saying in Honduras, it doesn't make any sense at all. But look at this other fact. There is a guy from the DA who led the team who captured El Chapo. Mhm. >> And he wrote a book. His name is his last name is I think is Kogan. Andrew Kogan. So he said we follow El Chapo for almost 9 months in a clock ba clockwise basis 24 hours. He wasn't leaving the the city. He was just moving to another to another like a mountain in Mexico. But they even say this all those ter that during that time El Chapo was going to South America to Central America that's not true and he was the one who led the capture of Chapo at that time and during that time is the allegation of the witnesses saying that about my brother. So the question is if the prosecutors, the DA knew about that, why they didn't ask that same uh agent to go and testify against my brother? And the other thing is this three, no, four actually four guys who allegedly were in that meeting. They were they had dealings with the government. They agree they have a plea deals but didn't go they didn't go and testify >> because they know that it didn't happen at all. But now I don't want to go into more further details because I haven't spoke with my brother for almost seven years and my his lawyer is doing some work at this time and I >> you guys haven't spoken for seven years. >> No, I haven't. Is that is that because he can't talk to anybody or you've chosen not to communicate with them? >> At the beginning I said if they are following him, if they are attacking him because they want to affect me, I don't want to affect him. But then he was in jail and I was in office and even though this this other part there was a a cable a classified cable and I told once to the public official of from the US listen if you have something related with my drug with my brother and you give it to me I was I'm going to be the one giving it to you so that you can prosecute him. But after that, I also asked the US ambassador in Honduras. Mr. Ambassador, I don't like this. My family isn't a very honorable honorable family. What we have is our name. We don't have money. We don't have anything. We are a middle class family. We are coming from the >> There's great stories about your parents, your family. You come from a >> from a rural area. >> You come from a but you come from a good family. You went to school in uh Albany. you went here and then over there in your state I think you went and became a lawyer. You went to a law school if I'm not mistaken. >> So yeah, the the stories about your family is is very good. The stories about your brother. >> But but listen, this is the point I told the ambassador. Can you ask the DOJ to for a meeting? So can my brother go and be interview and be interrogated by the DA, by the prosecutors? And he said, "But we we don't have any guarantees, Mr. President." I said I'm I am not asking for guarantees. What I am asking is if something is wrong and you have to proceed, you can do it. But if he if you don't have any problem, but also you have to do it. So he went he came to the United States, he met with the DA and he came back. Do you think that if we were if the people who the prosecutors portrayed us like that I was going to do that? I I uh I don't know. I I'm I'm looking at the the connection with your brother cuz you said I said Elso which is the Rodo guy we spoke about earlier but there's also El Rojo and that's Victor Hugo Diaz Morales if I'm not mistaken and he's the guy that has said that he's killed 18 people. I think one time he shot his girlfriend and even killed killed a little kid one time. Little girl one time. A terrible guy. >> Terrible guy. And there was some ties with him and your brother as well. What's the the the problem is that this guy was from Guatemala. >> He is Guatemala is close to our hometown. >> Mhm. >> So my brother was doing some uh cooking business uh I mean food for small parties. So in in the in the place in which we were born. But those guys used to come. My the problem with my brother I told him sometimes you have to avoid people and even tell them directly I don't want to be you don't you shouldn't be here. But of course somebody else said if you do that they are going to kill you. But anyway, that's the thing. Now that I've seen the whole uh information, there is nothing. But my dory from now on is as I'm doing it right now is to explain to the world what really happened because truth has to come out. >> And I appreciate and that's why we're doing this and I applaud you for doing this. But my point for saying this is because you went after the current president's uh uh uh brother uh Carlos his ties and then I was like well the other side's going to tell you about Tony Hernandez and his ties to Al Rojo and Elso. So it's not like your brother didn't have some tieser but you're saying your brother's innocent. This is what I want to get to. Let's go back with the new president. Kamala Harris comes in with her beautiful mask that she's wearing and uh you know to claim that they're extremely safe. And so they're celebrating the new president, you know, winning and then on that day you're getting indicted. Great. Have you ever personally had any conversations with Obama, Biden or Kla Harris? >> With Obama and with Biden >> and what was the context of your conversation with Obama and with Biden? Well, with Obama, we started to work. Remember in 2014 the huge wave of unaccompanied children coming from Central and South America. >> Mhm. So we started to work in that and uh we launched uh an international event in Honduras trying to manage that thing and they asked me to come even to speak to the both houses of Congress to tell them that we are we were going to work together and I said listen I don't need to do that we are working really close in that because I feel so sad that the coyotes is the smugglers are using that natural love and empathy of families trying to bring their king the children but the children are lost in the in the way but at the end we were very successful in that but we we create what we call it like a a program from the northern triangle of Central America and Biden was the one in charge of that uh program and we were working so close that at some point I guess that you already have that uh that video there he said it in a publicly in uh in Guatemala he said Mr. president referring to me. You are risking your life. You are risking your family life. >> This is Obama >> Biden. >> This is Biden. >> And doing a fight against organized crime that and that is also our fight. He said it right there. But then the we continue meeting when President Trump won the election. Biden called me and he said, "Mr. President Vice President Pence is in charge of the transition. I wanted to ask you to receive a call from him because we want to continue what we have been doing in the northern triangle. And I received a call from Vice President Pence. So he was given the new administration that I was the one who was doing that work in Central America to stop drugs, to stop illegal immigration. And how is that then during his administration when he became president those thing changed? I mean it is a hypocrisy of he didn't know what was going on in his government. Sorry to say that >> this is Biden. >> Biden. Well, that's obvious that uh did the current admin the previous administration under Biden, did Kamla, Biden, Garland, did any of those guys speak with you? Cuz Garland gave a 21-minute speech where uh this is it by ex Hondur when you were being extradited. Is this the speech, Rob? >> Yes, sir. >> Just play a few seconds of it. Go for it. >> Lando Hernandez, the former president of Honduras, was extradited to the United States to face federal charges. Hernandez is charged with participating in a corrupt and violent drug trafficking conspiracy to facilitate the importation of tons of cocaine into the United States from 2004 to 2022. As is charged in the indictment, Hernandez abused his position as president of Honduras from 2014 through 2022 to operate the country as a narco state. Hernandez is alleged to have received millions of dollars from multiple drug trafficking organizations, including from the former leader of the Sinaloa cartel known as El Chapo. In return, drug traffickers in Honduras were allowed to operate with virtual impunity. We alleged that Hernandez corrupted legitimate public institutions in the country, including parts of the national police, military, and national congress. And we allege that Hernandez worked closely with other public officials to pro uh to protect cocaine shipments bound for the United States >> to Okay. So during this administration while they're playing offense like this with you, okay, indictment, you know, smuggling cocaine, the average person watches this, you're a criminal. You're a horrible human being, right? That's what the average person's going to see. During Biden, did Biden, Kamla, Garland, anybody, any of the higherups of his uh uh organization talk to you, reach out to you? >> With Biden. We work very close with Biden. >> With Biden? >> Yeah. >> So Biden was good with you? >> Yeah. >> Himself directly. >> Yeah. >> So when you see something like this, how surprised were you when were you expecting this or were you surprised by this? >> I And not I wasn't I couldn't believe it. So, so let me get this straight. So, when this speech is being made, >> you're fully surprised. You don't even know. You can't even believe that this is taking place. >> Yeah. Because this guy, this former attorney general >> Garland, >> he he was saying that we were using the police. But the other branch of the state department, they call it INL. We work with them in how to transform the Honduran police. I was given awards. I was giving recognitions because we worked that with the Interamerican Development Bank and we work with several other uh polices from Chile and from other countries. >> We became like the example of how to purge how to transform a police force who used to be at the order of the Narcos. We fire almost 60% of the police force in Honduras and that's the reason because I have to use >> you make a lot of enemies if you do that. So these are people it's because I I know the model you can bribe them and you can win them over. Right. >> But thanks to God I am alive as you said it. This guy every every group of this they try to kill me and right now if I go back to my country there is a hit on me. I'm telling you this right now. I haven't said it before. During my trial, I received a report my lawyer from the FBI. Unfortunately, my lawyer was so ill that he couldn't come regularly to visit me. But in one case I was reviewing that and there was an informant who was talking to the FBI and they this guy was saying I was in a meeting the high the the top leaders of the radical left the liberal party were doing agreements with one of the main criminal organization in Honduras to kill President Hernandez and then what they help that party to win. And then the other argument was that they were going to kill my daughters, my family, and they killed a son of a former president. And it was right there. And I was so mad and I I I even asked the judge for an special hearing. I said, "How can why you didn't tell me this at the time? I can't do anything to protect my family from here, but at least I can hold them. And at this point, the the the attorney general office in Honduras, they didn't say anything about that. And now, how is that the Garling was saying that when all other branches of government in the United States, they were applauding? They were saying does that model that Honduras has to transform the police is the model that we need in the region. >> Yeah, that's And so is your family now out of Honduras? Do you have any family there still or no? >> Yeah. And this morning from the very early in the morning I have to call them because the president the lady president said about 3:00 in the morning posted uh in his her social account that I was going to get into the country and she was uh fearing a keta and I was going to empower the a new president. I mean I don't I don't I cannot back to my country right now because I know what is going on over there. The political persecution but also all the enemies some people who were extradited during my administration they are already back in Honduras. But also the Honduran people last Sunday already spoke. 80% of the Honduran people rejected the radical left government. So they are trying to create a crisis to steal the election as the style of the Venezuelan government does it every time. And they are they have been using me for almost 12 years to create crisis. And now I have to put before I came with here with you a post saying that's another trick. That's another lie. What Honduras need is finally to count the last vote and the institutions has to be preserved and all the civil society the the other groups and the international observers and who already said that the election is okay. We just want to finish counting the last votes and we already know who is who won the election. But that's the way that these people operate. >> And Rob, who is this? Yara Castro de Zellaya. She's the current president. You said this eight eight hours ago. >> Yeah. >> To the Honduran people, I report with historical uh responsibility that based on verified intelligence information. Juan Orlando Hernandez pardoning the US plans his entry into the country to proclaim the winner of the elections. At the same time that an aggression is underway aimed at breaking the constitutional democratic order through coup against my government in the face of the serious situation. I urgently request the conscious and peaceful support of the Honduran people. I call upon the people, social movements, collectives, grassroots organizations, militants and citizens to urgently and peacefully gather in uh Teu Sikalpa to defend the popular mandate, reject any coup attempt and make visible to the world that a nukea is being hatched there. Do you have any plans of going back? >> I cannot go back right now. I am if you allow me. Although President Trump already pardon me and he has the courage to do it because he already passed I mean for what I have been go through the law fair against him is I mean I haven't seen a case in history what he faced so he understood and he he knows what really happened in my case so he pardoned me but you know I I haven't seen my family for almost four years and now now they are facing those threats. I want to reunite me with my family for a while. Meanwhile, the new government in Honduras is established. I want to go back to my country. My my dream is to take care of my family, my my mother, my children, my grandchildren, and and that's what it is. But you know being there right now they are in danger. So and the Biden administration they took away their visas and they couldn't even come to my trial. >> Your family's visas were taken away by the Biden administration. >> Yeah. >> When we set out to create a shoe that blends comfort, function, and luxury. 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Somebody on his team probably did it because it doesn't sound like you have a bad relationship with Biden. >> No, I I think that he even even know about that. I think was things I mean there was a a group of the very radical left in the Biden administration that did this this whole thing. Um I guess there were people from the State Department and the White House. >> But you don't know any names of who that would have been? >> Um I have an idea but I don't want to I I don't want to say it. What I know is that there was a guy during the Biden administration. He was applauding me every time, even taking pictures with me. When uh President Trump won the election, he asked my former chief of staff if I can go to meet Biden. And I said, "Listen, but the United States has already a new president. My relationship is with President Trump." But anyway, I went and Biden was there and this guy was there. He was setting up the meeting and uh I said, "So this is going to be your campaign headquarters, something like that because I want to be put distance between that political thing." And I said, "No, no, no, not like that." And when I was signing the third country agreement to stop illegal immigration with President Trump, we signed in New York. And before I did that, I went to several countries in Central America to talk to the presidents so that we can do it together. As Charles Wolf said in a video, and I think it is in the presentation, Charles Wolf was saying, uh, President Hernandez, help us to convince the other leaders of the of the region to do that. And when I signed it that the same day that guy started to attack me recklessly. >> The same guy. >> And do we know this guy? >> I don't want to say it right now, but I I'm going to give it the information with >> Well, I'm going to give So, because you're going to have one name is going to be Blinkin. >> I'm sorry. >> One name would be Blinkin. Anthony Blinkin. Okay. >> I don't think it's Lloyd Austin. Mayorcas. >> I I I don't remember clearly if his name was last name was Gonzalez. >> Menendez or Gonzalez? >> Gonzalez. The same one who was making deals with the uh Venezuelan regime. >> Got it. Is the very radical left. But you know some there is this is the other part of the of the democratic >> one Sebastian Gonzalez >> I don't know if I don't remember >> director senior director of national security council for the western hemisphere of the US >> could be that leader he reported to Jake Sullivan >> yeah but you know several congressmen and senators used to come to Honduras and to see how things was going on and the the The the the the funny part is this. They came to the Senate or the House and they report to their committee and there was a consistency between the international narcotic strategy reports saying that Honduras was improved every year. It is right there. And that information is produced by the DA, Coast Guard and the customs. But also when they went to Honduras and they meet with the US embassy team, the security team, they came to report and one senator said something really good is happening in Honduras and it has to do with the new leadership of President Hernandez. Now the two two very bad guys came to surrender to the United States because they felt the heat from the President Hernandez government. And you know who one of those guys was? One who was lying in my trial and he was a a senator who was brief and who went to Honduras. He even came they went some of them even came to my home to tell me could you please talk to the other presidents in the region so that we can expand what you have here in Honduras. >> Is this a well-known senator in the US? >> Yes. Several. Do you have their names or >> I don't remember clearly. I remember that he was from Delaware. >> Delaware is where Biden's from. >> But but I can I can send you the names and and the photos and the and and everything. And uh there were meetings also and they were asked about how Honduras were doing and they were saying words like this. Uh he took unprecedented measures. The historic results are right there. He's a man of his word. And they even said in the cables and they told me in in private, as never before, look at this. As never before, the United States has a close and effective relationship against narot traffickers that with the government of President Hernandez and that is in the classified cable. >> Wow. Is that Tom Carper? >> I think yeah, he used to be in my home. He Tom Carper used to be in your home. >> Yeah. >> And so he's thankful for what you're doing. He's asking you to talk to the people around to minimize the cartels and work with other world leaders and then he comes back around >> the Porto Senate >> and then he sides against you. >> No, no, no. >> He's a good guy. >> He didn't say anything that I know. >> Okay. But it but uh but in the in the Senate report in the how do you call the the the the the place and they put all the hearings you are going to find that information over there. >> I got it. Okay. Interesting. Well, >> and I can send it to you too. >> I'd love to see it. I would love to see it. But let let's let's stay on this because Rob, if you can pull up the map, do me just pull up the map where on the PowerPoint that he has. Can you go show where Okay, if you can go to present mode if you could. >> But but also if I could add something else. There were not only the the international narcotic strategic report saying that the improvements of Honduras against the drug traffickers. My administration was certified every year during my two terms as a reliable partner in the fight against drugs. And that report by law has to be sent on March every year from the office of the president in the name of the president to congress so that congress can allocate money to the agency so that they can work with a reliable partner. It is right there. It is in the official documents. And so when you when you ask if they knew this and there in my case there was a single US official uh testifying against me. It was that's that's what we call a laware because it was for political reasons because they didn't like that I was using the military as as as that I was toughening in law and order. They didn't like also I back up what the decision of the President Trump moving the embassy from uh Jerus from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. I did the same too. I back up Israel uh in the United Nations as well. The the new concepts that we create to to attract investors to Honduras as the new free economic zones after that I went to see how they function in South Korea, in Singapore, in Asia. Uh they were all against those ideas. They said they said it were two libertarians and I said listen it is in Honduran territory. I want Honduras to be exposed to the best opportunity so that they can come and invest and we are very well located in the central of the continent. We create um a dry canal to move cargo from the Pacific to the Atlantic. And of course, I wanted a train to do that faster because the Panama Canal doesn't it is not enough to move all the maritime cargo that moved from one uh ocean to the other. So these other things I mean they didn't agree on that and so many other things. For example, Honduras is a very Christian population. 94% could be Catholics or evangelicals and they were pressuring me to change our constitution because in the constitution there is something that a provision that nobody can uh adopt children if they are uh couples of the same sex. And I said, "Listen, any president wanted to do that in Honduras, all the all the the churches of the people from faith is going to overthrow that government. So you have to understand that we have our own values. We believe in family. Of course we respect if if anybody is let's say gay or however they can want to call it uh if it is a human being we have to respect them but you know if you are going to talk to children that you can go to the school dress like a little girl or whatever you cannot do that in Honduras so there was so many other things that they didn't Ike. >> Sean Honduras, a gay couple cannot adopt kids. >> No, no. It's in the constitution for almost 20 years ago. >> It's in the constitution that gay couples cannot adopt kids in Honduras. >> Yeah. >> Very interesting. U so you you know as we're going through this, it's making me think about something and I want to come back to all these flows of how drug is coming in, how it was in 07 and how it changed. Um, it reminds me of you being the person that gave the playbook of what Boulli is doing right now. Because if I look at your playbook, you came in, Honduras, all the drugs is going through you. You don't make cocaine. Colombia does, but it goes through Venezuela, you, Guatemala, and then Mexico, right? Okay. So you come in in Honduras, a president can only serve one term. I think it's four years. In El Salvador, president can only serve one term. I think it's five years. Okay. So you come and you were able to change the constitution so you can go for a second term. Well, I didn't ask the Supreme Court to rule in that way. There were a group of congressmen, mayors and other people, former presidents, and they went to make a request saying if the mayors in Honduras can be reelected, if Congress people can be reelected, but also Honduras has signed a treaty that we have to respect the political rights of the citizens who want to choose. you have let them do it. And the other right is the guy who is in office because at the end is the will of the people if they want to vote for him or not if he's in office. But during my re-election the good the other good part is that every party that wanted to compete went to compete. They participate. I asked so many governments to send observers and they were there and the people of Honduras choose. That was the the highest votes that a candidate could have in history. >> And I'm aware. So that means the the Supreme Court but the Supreme Court was probably on your side when they did this. I'm assuming they wanted you to be uh reelected. But this this is kind of where I'm going with this with Boulli. Where I'm going with this with Boulli is you went in 2013, became president. He became president in 2019. So 6 years prior to you he became president. You're a young man yourself. He's much younger. But you're in your 50s. He's now in his 40s, I believe. I think he just turned 40, maybe 39, 40 years or so. 41 years old. He goes in and he goes goes after Maras Savatucha MS-13. Right. You go after your drug lords. How old is he? right now. Rob 44. Okay. So, you go after the narco, he goes after MS-13. He puts them in jail and crime rate drops dramatically. If you can pull up the data of what happened to crime rate in El Salvador, it's astonishing when you look at that. Okay? Whether he did it or his people did it, Supreme Court changes. Now, he can run infinitely and be the president. Some people are calling him a not a dictator, but there's different words that you call Belli. Now he's made the play safer. They like him. It's great. Yeah. He lowered from 38 per 100,000 in 19 to 20 to 17 to 7.8 to 2.4. Right now it's 1.9 per 100,000. Insane figures they've never seen before. Right. So goes after MS 13, you go after Narco. He cleans up crime. You clean up crime. because we we create a a new security high security prisons too. >> Yeah. So so so meaning he's modeling you, right? But the difference is you know they come after you but they leave him alone. >> They were coming after him too. If President Trump doesn't win, that's my deduction. They were coming after him. So if President Trump doesn't win, they go after B Kelly next. >> Yes. >> So what you're telling me is right now if a Newsome wins in 2028 >> and and also creating creating stories nothing nothing um >> got it >> solid, >> right? >> You you know why? Because we have to realize if you look at the world look lady Pen in France right now >> look Bolson >> Mhm. Look bi Netanyahu. Look, President Trump by excellence. He is the example of perse political persecution. Look at this other lady, President Nunes in Bolivia. She just went out of jail. Look at my case. This is part of the playbook of the radical left in the planet. And that's the reason because they were trying to go after President Ble too. It's clear at this water. What's their playbook? >> To go after leaders of the conservative movement. >> Why? >> Because they want to destroy in order to give the opportunity to them. What happened in Honduras was they attack me. They push me hard. My party too in order for the radical left to go in power. this what they did and I'm going to send you a very more detailed information so that you can have it and you can see it for yourself. But also being here I could ask anybody not to rely in whatever media says please go and do your own research. You have don't I am I am impressed the when I was talking with your people how deep you were into my past and everything but you have to do that in order to understand what is going on because nobody wanted to do what I have to do and I have to do it even though I knew that I was not only in danger myself but my family because at the end I cannot look back to the other way as the former presidents in Honduras did. If I knew that something was terrible, terribly bad in Honduras, I have to do something because that's what I am. And I have to clean my name, the name of my family, the name of my my team, and the name of the country that at that point decided to get rid of that violence, of course, had a a heavy price. And uh it would be easy for me at the beginning saying, "Okay, I'm going to make a deal. What what do what do you want me to say and I'm going to be free in two years, three years?" And some of these other guys did. You know, one of the guys who testified against me, he told the judge that he was responsible for 57 deaths and he wasn't even six years in jail. He's He was walking around in the streets in the United States, but then President Trump I sent them to Honduras. >> This is a guy from Honduras. He killed 57 people in Honduras. >> He's in the streets here in America. He only did six years in jail and President Trump >> less than six years. >> Less less than what's this guy's name? >> Alexander Ardone. >> Alexander Ardon. >> Yes. >> Who gave him only six years? dividing DOJ. They make a deal. And this is this is the other part even worse. >> Yeah. Right. Alexander Ardon, a former Honduran mayor and convicted drug trafficking tons of cocaine to the US and plea deal. He was sentenced to time served in the US federal court January 2020 by exchanges of extensive cooperation as a witness of major drug cases including the trial of former Honduran president Juanard Orlando Hernandez. Oh wow. And there is another guy who who told the judge that he was responsible of 78 killings in Honduras. He's the leader of Los Cacheros. And I bet that he was about to get out too because of those deals. And when he was asked in 2013 about the politicians who were working with him, he didn't even mention me. and he said, "No, the only thing that I have about Hon Orlando is that my brother give $250,000 to his campaign and my brother was in a meeting with him. He put my my my brother put me in in a video call and and at what time was that?" Somebody asked 2011 2012. We didn't even have cell phone services at that time in that place. That's that's how they create those things. You see, and now the damage that they have done to the image of my team, of my country, my family, I was shown in a jail like uh f three or five days before President Trump became in office. They they ordered that I have to be moved to a jail in Hazelton. When I went there, some people told me you shouldn't be here. Other guy told me you should I cannot be with you in my cell because my group has a rule. You are part you were part of the law enforcement. Law enforcement you were at the highest level. They can they can ask me to stab you and I and I have to do it. >> Hazelton is this. By the way, this is the one Ria Maradiaga. >> Yeah. >> Who killed 78 people in 2013 and uh he was So you're in jail and a guy saying if they find out you're my cellmate, they tell me to stab you, I have to do it. >> Yeah. >> And this is your cellmate? >> Yeah. No, he he didn't want me to be in his cell. >> So what did they move you? Well, I have to I have to go to to find another place in order to to avoid that. And then there was this >> Hazelton. >> Yeah, there were some others saying Hazelton rap. >> There were some others telling me, listen, you shouldn't be here. You are in danger here. It is really complicated and uh there's a lot of people from the cartels from Mexico and uh why didn't send me over there? The only explanation that I have is because they wanted to get rid of me. >> I got you. So they put you there so somebody would kill you to get rid of you. >> That's my deduction. >> That uh that logic makes sense to me. That logic makes sense to me. If somebody wants to get rid of you, have somebody else do. They're already doing life anyway. So what do they have to lose? Nothing. It's an easy way to get rid of a target. Yeah. This, by the way, this jail, if some people are wondering who stayed here, Whitey Bulger stayed at this jail. Okay. Um, Anthony Tona Costa, mob related inmates after Bulgar. Okay. You got some very MS-13 and Latin King cartel killers stay at this place. These are the names. You got Fios Freddy, Giz, Frank, Cadillac, Frank Salami, James Alec Fields Jr., you got some interesting people that stayed here. So, they're sending you to a place as if you're a full-on killer is what you are. That's who they put you with. And you you said you got three four. So, this is January 16th, January 15th. Is that around the day of 2025 when they put you in jail? >> Uh, no. Was the 21? >> Oh, this is first time when when Trump lost. This is after uh uh >> No. When President Trump wins this the last time, 5 days before they gave the order to move me >> to move you to Hazelton. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So January 15th >> cuz Trump Oh, Trump won but he got elected. He he was inaugurated January 20th. >> So is this in October or is this in January? >> In January. >> In January. Got it. And when you were there, is this where you met Sam Bankman Freed? Where did you meet Sam Bankman Freed from? Uh >> it was in uh Brooklyn. in in Brooklyn. I was in a in a special unit and uh of course I met Sam there. This other guy who is um a singer, you call it mogul, music mogul. >> Did he? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You were in prison with Diddy and Sam Bankman Freed. >> Yeah. >> Did you speak with them? >> Yes. Well, at the beginning, you know, I didn't know them as the figures of they were I mean, and but not but also I was just by myself, you know, reviewing my case in my things. There was another guy, a rapper, he's very famous. They call it 69, I think. And um but I didn't know until the other inmates told me >> Tekashi 69. Yeah, they call me those guys. I I I really big in music and things like that. But with Sam, we develop a a close relationship. He he he was we were talking about my case, things like that. I met my his his father and and and mother and um because he at one point I was really preoccupied about my family when they when I know that they had that green light from the MS-13 for over my daughters. Uh and I said, you know, I I I cannot sleep. I I don't know what can I do. and he said uh listen you have to move your family from the from Honduras but I said I don't have any means to do it and uh we were you know talking about how can we do and at the end I told my lawyer you have to call my wife and you have to tell her and do whatever you want you have to do in order to to protect them but at the end they have to be in my home for almost three months without going out at all and uh you know is at one point I said to God I made my peace with God and I said my Lord you can do whatever you want with me it is you're right but please protect my family that's just what I'm asking >> did Sam Bankman been freed help you financially with the family or no >> no no at all >> what did what was he like to you was it a did you enjoy the conversation >> he was a very quiet guy but he was uh he he had new ideas about the world and um when he was reviewing my case uh he said listen is this is clearly a setup and I said but how can I explain this you already passed for a trial and you know what it is >> and uh >> it is hard you know when the prosecutors and the judge agree that you cannot for example They didn't allow me to bring the experts from Honduras to explain the jurors how I pass those laws to pass the traditional law, the ceasing of assets law, the anti-money launder law, the the reform of the police, it's easy to say it, but to do it is a huge risk. and they were they were going to come to explain to that and you know the judge agreed with the prosecutors and they didn't allow them to to to to come to do it. >> Do you know what Sam Bankmanf Freed said about you? Have you read what he said about you or No. My daughter was explaining me to me. Uh >> Sam Ankman Frefred uh uh told Mario Nefal, Rob, I think you have it somewhere. And he explains to him that he says, "I spent a year and a half in the same unit as one Orlando. I got to know him fairly well. I'd like to think we became friends. And I can't think of a single inmate more deserving of a pardon." He was framed and SPF spent extensive time helping uh yourself with trial prep and reviewed evidence and his account. You were convicted in 2024 for a decadesl long cocaine conspiracy involving hundreds of murders. But the actual evidence, a ceremonial machine gun, a selfie with a cartel connected soccer fan, and testimony from the exact cartel leaders. You were arrested and extradited. Those cartel leaders were offered early release if they could implicate a bigger fish. They chose to testify against the man who put them in prison. The result, your presidency, murder dropped 50%. Drug trafficking dropped 90%. Every major cartel leadership extradited to the US SPF. He wasn't just a narot trafficker. He wasn't just not a narot trafficker. He was probably the most effective anti-cartel leader in the world. Juan Orlando is the most innocent prisoner I've met, including myself. The pardon came days before Honduras November 30 election where Trump endorsed Nasri Afura of uh your national party. The race is now a technical tie. The Trump warning there will be hell to pay if the electoral body changes the result. That's what Samrey said about you. Interesting. Did you ever speak to Diddy? was that he would uh would >> a a couple of words, you know, we we were getting into the elevator coming from the legal. >> He he doesn't like elevators. It's bad news to be around elevators with him. >> But I I didn't know him at all. And and he said, "So you are going to for North was the same floor?" I said, "Yes." Uh so you are the new guy. But and he said, "Yes." And he said, "Why you advise me?" And I said, "Look, you have to keep your mind busy." >> You told him, >> "Yeah, if you are go, you have to do exercise every day. If you like music, you have to to to >> he likes other people's music." >> But also, but also uh if you are going to fight your case, get into that with your lawyers. Be busy because this thing could make you crazy. But if you focus on that and then he continued to do that. There were some some discussion between another guy between if they were going to see some some channel from the news or the other and I said listen take your time. Don't fight about that. >> Oh, he was fighting with another guy from >> No, they were they were discussing but I was trying to stop like a fight. >> He was trying to watch a documentary by by the guy named 57. Yeah, he wanted to watch it on on uh >> but that's interesting. So, but was he cordial with you? Was he respectful with you? >> Yeah, very respectful. At one point, I was watching a a dish and there was another dish there. Um, it was dirty. I don't know which which dish who was belonged to. And I washed it and so he came and he said, "Thank you for washing my dish." Well, I didn't know that was yours. And he said, "A president washing." And I said, "Listen, I mean, I I can clean the floor here. I I was raised like that. I don't care about those things. They think that because you are president, you are like u no I mean it is is is the way that you are raised." And I think that that's that helped me with a lot of respect from so many people in jail too. >> How long were you with all of them? with SPF, with Diddy, with Tekashi >> with with this guy Tekashi I think was about that a couple of months. >> Oh, really? >> With with DIY could be a little bit longer than that. And with Sam, I think could be a year and a half. >> Oh, so you guys you guys spend real time together with Sam. >> Yeah. Well, with Sam, we prepare a lot of questions from for my trial and unfortunately my lawyer, we lost confidence and trust with him, but we lost communication and at the end when I finally came and said, "Listen, I know that you don't have any questionary for question for the witnesses. I already work on that." And then when he was looking at that, he said, "This is amazing." Well, I did your work now. Please do it. >> But he couldn't do it. >> Is this a guy that was sick? The the guy? >> Yeah. Yeah. He was really sick, but also >> he was he was taking care of his mother. >> She was also sick. And I bet that he also was afraid of some things. >> Of course. I mean, if there if you're his lawyer, his life's probably also on the line. Would you ever uh uh uh if with uh what Zomara was saying on that on her tweet, would you ever aspire to go back and be the president again if the if the people want you to be president of Honduras again? I believe that I I did my duty as a citizen serving my country. I consider myself a soldier for my country. If they ask me to do something, I will. But you know, going into the public arena again, that's going to avoid to pay a death that I feel with myself, you know, because I was so immersed in my work. remember that I was 16 years in Congress and uh I was secretary of Congress which is one of the more demanding jobs in Honduras and then I was a speaker and two times president. >> I I couldn't spend the quality time that I need with my family. Mh. >> Sometimes you are at home, they are there at your table, but you are not there. >> Mhm. >> And I feel bad about that because now that I am being in jail, I been blessed. My wife's was always there. My children every day. All this information that that I sometimes I couldn't even remember things. They were digging in and they put it together. So I want to spend the rest of my life with my family, enjoy my my grandchildren. And of course I have to do this dirty to explain the world what the truth is because what I want to inherit to my children is a clean name. It's also to help the team that I put together. They also risk their lives. But also the name of Honduras has to be clean. It has to be recognized that although we were very complicated at that time, there was a generation who took the risks to change that and we did it. >> So the the challenge the challenge with that is if it seems like a pattern of if a person on the left gets elected president in the US, you guys are screwed. So if you go back and your success is reliant upon Americans supporting you cleaning up the streets and cleaning up your country when those people are not there, they're not going to have your back. Then what do you do? Well, you have to we have to figure out because we we cannot longer be uh we cannot go back to what we were. >> Yeah. I I want to I want to >> and that's the reason because the people voted so overwhelmingly against the radical left. The same ones that for 12 years were calling me narco dictatorship. They did it because they were hiding the links that they have that now they are exposed. >> They even terminate the extradition treaty to avoid them to be extradited here. But also now you know that doesn't work for them trying to create lies or whatever. That's the reason because I also before I came here I have to put a tweet responding to the to the to the lady president. >> Did you tweet already at her or no? >> Yes. >> What did you say? >> Can you go up to it? Rob, >> you can look at the one Orlando. >> I don't think it's that one. What is the go to people rap? >> What is the account? >> Uh, >> no, that's not it. I just found it yesterday. >> Um, >> you can go or you can go to Instagram is it's more clear. >> It's one Orlando H. Just go to one Orlando H. No, don't put Hernandez. Just put one Orlando H and it will come up right there. The first one. There you go. There you go. >> Yeah. There. >> Okay. So which one is it? Is it >> this one? The accusation. Okay, zoom in a little bit. >> The accusation made by Zimmer completely false. There's no plan for my entry into the country nor any attempt to break the constitutional order. This narrative only seeks to spread panic, distract the public and create chaotic and tactic well known from the leaders of Libé. For 12 years, my name has been used to distract. In the past four years, the government has relied on uh hate and lies as a smoke screen to hide its absolute failure. The strategy no longer works. The people of Honduras rejected them clearly and decisively at the polls. Today, once again, they are launching. Rob, can you increase it up a little bit? Another attack using my name to cling to power through chaos. We are not in 2021. Their lies have been exposed. Honduras must keep a firm focus on the special vote tally awaiting the official results uh from the CNI. The process must be monitored and supported by all sectors of Honduran society as well as the national international observers. election matters to all of us, not just the political parties. I have been clear in my public statement. I have no intention of returning to Honduras at this time precisely because this government has shown it is not respect uh guarantees of rights and because my security and that my family would be serious at risk due to the evident political persecution and weaponization of justice against me. Once again, time has proven me right. I have information that has led to attacks on my life that of my family and that of my family. One thing is political or ideological difference and others entirely crossing the line and putting humans lives on the line. I hold the current government leaders and leadership of Libya fully responsible for any attack, persecution and risk on my family or I may face history will judge those who use the power of state to intimidate persecute and and so hatred among Honduran brothers and sisters. My only desire to be my family, recover lost time and heal. As a father, husband, son, I want to care for my loved ones. And as a good Honduran, I wish for peace, unity, and prosperity for my country so that Honduras may grow, strengthen, and move forward. May God continue, may God protect, and bless Honduras. Yeah. Uh question for you about because when you go through this process and someone thinks and says, "Okay, why would the president pardon you?" Okay. One, you know, Roger Stone is very good at what he does and he can come in and say, "Hey, this guy's innocent. He didn't do anything wrong. We should pardon this guy." Okay, then you're pardon. Fine. Two is you could play a role in making South and Central America safer because when you think about, you know, what's going on over there with Maduro, every day we're seeing what's going on with Maduro. Another boat, another boat, another boat, another boat. And hey, you know, President Trump is trying to get involved with Maduro and Maduro is going after Musk. Maduro is going after Trump. And then he says, "Don't worry. Be happy. We're going to be okay. We don't want a war. We don't want this." In your eyes, how big of a role is Maduro playing in everything that's going on in South and Central America? We could see it in in two different times. If you look at back five, 6, 8 years ago was a really important role because they he inherited the all this system that Chavez created and Chavez was very good at that. And uh but in Honduras, the last times, the last years, he's very influential. Listen to this. Everybody knows in Latin America and in the planet that Maduro stole the last election. But the Honduran government, the later president said it publicly. There is no doubt at all. The winner is President Maduro. That's not just a joke. It's it's a bad joke. But they are so close that they are they are willing to to risk their their law approving ratings. But the other thing is that when the attorney general P Bondi said um the drugs are coming from from Venezuela and then go through Honduras. She knows what I know for almost 13 years, 15 years. and uh they they are so close. That's the reason because I expel the Venezuelan ambassador at that time. But the the the other relationship is that they all the tactics that they use, for example, creating those small groups of radicals, they put weapons on their hands, they go and fire the streets, they burn uh h homes of the political opposition. They have done that in Honduras too. And right yesterday they were they were taking the streets putting fires with tires with whatever trying to block everything trying to protest. Unfortunately the police and the army forces they said we have to protect the results of the elections that the will of the Honduran people. But now the president, the later president is punishing removing those officials who did that protection to the citizen yesterday. >> That's what is what is that you're playing? >> Uh this is the protest ongoing in Honduras uh as of 19 hours ago. >> This is as of 19 hours ago in Honduras. That's what that's what those group those groups of radicals from the left were doing because they they already know that they lost the election. They don't want the electoral body to come with the final result because they want to continue in power. Those are the guys is the same script, the same playbook that they use in Venezuela. They call it collectivos. >> Collectivos. >> Yeah. >> So who won though? >> I have to be respectful of the institutions they have to pronounce. But what I'm going to tell you is what I know about the count of the copy of each uh electoral part document that our party has or party win the election won the election clearly but they have to count it in the electoral process because in Honduras if if there is a table and let's say 200 people come to vote here everybody has a representative Mhm. >> But the electoral body also also has a representative. >> But also you can come as a citizen 5 m 5 m far and you can be recorded whatever. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> That's how you guys do it in Honduras. >> Yes. >> So people actually trust elections in Honduras. >> Yeah. Everybody's involved in that. >> Wow. Did you hear that, Rob? >> Did you hear what? So So you got one from each party there representative and people can come within five meters. Five meters is >> uh 15 feet. >> Yeah. give or take five meters away. They can record and stream it live and the people can see it. >> And I promote that reform when I was in in Congress. >> Is that a new law? >> It is in the law. >> When did that happen? >> Uh I think like a when I was in Congress, I think was uh 201 13 something like that. But the thing is this everybody's counting and they said this is the ballot and let's say liberal party uh national party and everybody can be recording there but also the ones who are in the table they are taking notes that copy for each party we are very good at keeping those records so the information that I have from that uh with that process is that we win the election in three levels, presidency, congress, and mayors. >> And who was a candidate for presidency? >> Uh, Tito Aura. >> Good guy. >> Good guy. Very humble, very charismatic, hardworking. He has been all around the country. And um and of course I had to tell you the words of President Trump uh the other day >> saw that >> um how could I say show up? Do you really what really was going on with the other candidates? The last thing I want to say to you is because it while they're given the pardon to you, you know, it it makes me think about how things have worked over the years, and I'm not even talking about your pardon, but my mindset. 1976, uh, George Bush Senior is the director of CIA. There's a lot of drugs going on in South, Central America. Uh, a lot of issues. So in 1976 while he's the director of CIA, Noriega goes to see him from Panama. Okay. And he goes to see him, comes back. Allegedly, you can verify this, Rob, it could be wrong, but allegedly the CIA ends up paying him almost $200,000 a year. Okay. For him to give intel to us, to the CIA. By 83, he's making millions of dollars a year, tens. Nora is on fire. He's doing very well for himself and every single time. Oh, so he was on the payroll. Yes, he was on Can you find out what the number was? No evidence of Bush personally authorized it. I just want to know what the number was. I I hear it was almost $200,000. So he gets on the payroll. Then he starts making millions of dollars in exchange of being on the payroll and allowing to do the drug deal every single time one of the drug disputes took place. and they didn't pay him, he would give their names to the DEA and they would get arrested. Well, by 83, 85,86, it was no longer the communism and Russia was no longer the enemy. There you go. $200,000 to 320 a year. Communism was no longer the enemy. Eventually, the enemy became war against drugs, right? And so, now we're more into Reagan era. By 1988, they bring Noriega to Miami and then he gets arrested. The rest is done. You know, he goes to jail. But during that time of him being on the CIA's payroll, he leaked a lot of information to him. So, one, what are your thoughts about Noriega? What do you think about that business model? Do you think it's still currently happening today? >> Do you know what I'm asking? >> Not really. So what I'm asking is guys like Noriega who are used to give intel on other people that are selling drugs and a government would allow them. This could be from the Biden's administration why they wanted to work with some of these guys. This could have been Kamala. This could have been you know any of these. As long as you're sending me information about other people for me to catch and you're willing to rat other people out. I'll let you keep making your billions. kind of like what they did for them to come after you. Okay. Um, what are your thoughts about what happened with them? And do you think any of those methods are being used today? I don't I don't really know. I cannot tell other than my my my government. For me, it was simple. If drugs go through Honduras, we have a lot of death, a lot of corruption. So my policy was to avoid drugs coming to Honduras. That's the reason because through Honduras we create a maritime chill and we work with the south command. They put some very big ships in the in in the Atlantic and we with a small navy. We did our part two. We also create the aerial chill the tuning down low and also we create a land chill. What means that I work with the Guatemalan government to put a special V uh national force in that border. This we did the same with El Salvador and with Nicarawa. So Honduras was protected with those three SHs. The the thing is with >> you go to that map rap the one that he had on his PowerPoint. Please continue. >> So if you look at that >> Yes. >> I think this is an 07. was yours was >> 2007. >> You know who the president was at that time? The guy who is the husband of the lady president right now, Malai. So it started right there before it was they were moving drugs from Venezuela to the Dominican Republic. >> But then the Dominican Republic create this shooting down law. >> I got the idea. >> You got the idea from Dr. I got you. >> Yes. And then if you move the other one, >> and what does that law mean? What does that law mean? >> If there is a flight, you have to have a legal permit. There have to be a a a a communication between the country that you are coming from to the country that you are supposed to land. So they already have that information that that plane the line says >> you've approved it, >> the the name of the of the pilot, whatever. And uh then if they are if there is if they don't have that permit which is an illegal flight. So all planes come up and they have a protocol of how to communicate by radio but also by signals and they told them you have to land in that uh airport or ship whatever if they don't do it we are going to shoot you. Now I can say because I already passed. We weren't in the business of killing pilots. We were in the business of stopping those flights and we achieved that as General Kelly told those guys in the state department um as a deterrent. That law is incredible. >> Interesting. >> And we achieved that. That's the reason because you see at this time what is this year? >> No, that's by C. This is by C. If you look >> 2010, >> that's that's the trend. That's the synergy that was going on after this Mel Sallaya guy was in power. So that's the problem that we have. That's the reason because we we started with that law. if you continue the next. >> So this goes this shows though Rob that goes from now from Venezuela to Honduras >> because of Zlaya Castro's close relationship friendship with the Venezuelan regime. >> Yes. And if you see now Dominican Republic have lowered. Okay. If you continue >> look now. No is by >> I see. Keep going. >> Keep going. >> Now if you see Honduras is almost free. M >> then we wen even between the fifth countries with more drugs passing through. >> Got it. >> After being the first bridge that's what we did and they didn't allow me to use that information uh on trial. And do you know that's information where is coming from? From Southcom >> that's coming from Southcom. >> Southcom that's the information that they share with us. So it's as accurate as it gets. >> Yes, they have a satellite system and and and human uh uh sources also. >> This is 2017. >> Yes. But if you continue to do that, it is improves even more. You see how Honduras is free. All the things moves to the Pacific, to Costa Rica, to Guatemala, and to Mexico. >> And uh Honduras is in the in the middle the green. >> Yep. Can you put an arrow on it, Rob? So the audience can see where it's at. That that green right there. Yeah. >> They come to to Bise, to Guatemala, whatever. Because that what we did >> and this is 2020. >> 2020. The the the last year of my presidency. >> Interesting. And is has it did did the flow of drug come back up when the liberal individual won, Zomara won, did it open up again? If you look at the international narcotic strategic report, you are going to find that argument that the situation complicated when they came to power. Interesting. Which match with the statement of uh Attorney General Bandi. >> Yeah. So it looks like you're optimistic about the new guy that's in. It looks like you're optimistic if he wins. Jamari Castro. If he wins, what do you think will happen to Zamari Castro? I mean there is a lot of wrongdoings that happened. Uh now the attorney general in Honduras is elected for seven years. So which means that the the the guy who is now in office who is from the same radical left party of the later president if he continues there they are going to be protected. You see that guy that that we saw in that video with the caciros the the brother-in-law the president he even even started the indictment having that piece of evidence there. But a couple of days ago, the the the the candidate from the radical left liberal party, uh, Ricky Mada, he said she said it in public. And now we ask the attorney general that he has to indict former president Hernandez >> in less than 24 hours. The attorney general was a doing what he was asked, a political order. So um I have to fight uh that legal challenge too. But that's the thing. So in order to ask to to answer you um all depends how the attorney general office is are going to to develop and I all depends also if the United States is going to request them in extradition or something because the the attorney general Bondi already said something about the Honduran government. >> Yeah. So final words, you know, the the audience watched you and I think they need to know normally we'll have people that will reach out who are dignitaries or leaders of countries who have done what they've done. They'll initially they'll come up and they'll say these topics are off. You know, we can't talk about these topics. I think you need to know this. There is nothing and I'm saying you as the audience. There's nothing he told me or his camp told us that's off base for us to ask. Nothing. Or else we wouldn't do the interview. Uh so I I applaud you for doing that because you're coming in here knowing I could ask you any question and I brought up your, you know, brother. I brought up all the stuff. I played clips of Merrick Merrick Garland. I played everything. The audience now can make a decision for themselves. But to me, watching this, it's very obvious, you hurt a lot of people that were making a lot of money illegally, the narco, who don't like you. And you made some very, very bad enemies with people that make money illegally. And when you make bad enemies with them and when you have a guy who's killed 56 something people does less than six years and he gives away names and they tie you to one of them uh and he goes free is on the streets and he was sent back by ICE April of 2025 under Trump's regime. You know it says there's some wrongdoing there and some manipulation going on under uh Biden administrations. probably not himself, probably Kla Harris and some of the other people that were doing what they were doing. But uh is there any final words you want to give to the audience? Well, I want to thank all of those Hondurans and other people from even from the United States, even former presidents in the region who were not only praying for my release, but some of them write letters to President Trump saying what they knew about me. But also I want to thank the people who put together uh all this information to for the White House to to review it. And of course I want to thank President Trump because he knew me when we were together but he now also has a more detail what really happened. It is in the in the documents. It is in the statements right there. And uh and of course um people like like Roy Stone that that he didn't I didn't even know him. He just empathized because he was he went through to something like like like I was. And uh and of course I want to thank you. My lawyer told me as as you told me when Orlando if you want the the world to know you have to take this opportunity. I don't know who of your team called my lawyer and he said you have to be there >> please because I don't know much about the United States media of course but but then when I do a research and my little daughter said father please you have to go there >> we need the people of the United States to know the truth and now that's my task I have to clean my name the name of my family the name of my team of my country but also So I want to ask anybody anybody who go and do a research about my case and I c I told the judge the day that my sentence please release all these things for people to know because if you do that your conscience the day you die at least you were going to say you know I allow everybody to see what really was there and in Honduras We are a small country. Everybody knows each other. I'm coming from a rural area and they know me. So my teachers, my family, my I mean my my friends, everybody was like in choke. How could that be? >> Mhm. >> If if you look at the at the asset that they that they seize about 80% is an inheritance from my father. My father bought those pieces of lands. let's say 70 years ago, 80 years ago. I I am not one who has money otherwise I could have paid a a very good lawyers at the end. I I ended up with a lawyer appointed by the judge. >> No way. >> Yes. >> Your lawyer, the one that is sick, was appointed by the judge. >> No, no. I I that was the one who who we started to pay, but we couldn't continue with him. But then the the the judge appointed another lawyer, Renato Stavil, and uh he he was working with us and he said at one point I feel ashame what they have doing to you. >> And I want to say something very important for me. >> Thanksgiving for you is a such a important day. Last time Thanksgiving before this, >> I was called to have a visit and a legal visit and I said, "Wow." And the and the officer said, "There is no legal visits this day, but he was there and he said, I'm not here to talk about your case and I'm here to be with you. You shouldn't be here." He's he's an amazing person and a a very good uh lawyer. He put together a memo, very compelling, and I'm pretty sure that whoever read that memo, it was clear the that it was a a a very great injustice. But but I also think that um when you talk about the deep state in America, some people said that's a conspiracy theory. I have lived >> this. Fortunately, you have a very strong institutions. That's the reason because America is what it is. And then and and they are good people too. And uh I know that very good people who knew me were working backwards sending information to my family and saying use this. We couldn't use it in in in on trial, but now we can use it in public. So in a way I'm trying to prosecute my case in public. And thank you for helping me to do that because I don't want anybody to go through what I have been through as well as my family. So I want to fight for this law first way of doing things to stop and the conservative movement in the in the planet they have to know that this is real. So, we have to work on that. >> Well, um, God willing, you will be with your family, with your wife and your daughters here soon. You'll be back with your friends here soon. You will get back that land that your father got 70 years ago back to you that he passed down to his son and uh, you'll be able to do exactly what you want to do for your family and justice will be served. And again, I respect you for coming out and sitting down and having this conversation. And it was great to learn more about you. This was an incredible, fascinating conversation with you. Thank you so much for coming out. I appreciate you. All the best to you. >> Thank you. >> And by the way, with the PowerPoint you gave, are you okay if we share that with the audience? >> Sure. >> Okay. So, here's what we're going to do. If you're watching this, Rob, let's put that in the MC circle if anybody wants to go see it. It'll be in the MC circle free. Go investigate all of it because it's 60some pages. We only showed eight or nine pages of it. You can go see it all. Take care everybody. God bless. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. When we set out to create a shoe that blends comfort, function, and luxury, we had the choice to make it fast. We had the choice to make it cheap. We chose neither. Instead, we chose Tuscan Italy. We chose true Italian craftsmanship. Each pair touched by 50 skilled hands. We chose patience, spending two years perfecting every detail. And we chose the finest quality at every step. Introducing the future looks bright collection. Not rushed, not disposable, not ordinary, rather intentional, luxurious, timeless.