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The central subject of the discussion is a debate regarding the interpretation of John 10:28 and its implications for eternal security, specifically whether it is possible to lose one's salvation. The speaker asserts that there are no known Greek scholars or grammarians who have refuted the absolute nature of this verse, which states that nothing can pluck believers out of the Father's hand. While acknowledging that some scholars like Howard Marshall discuss related topics such as perseverance and falling away in other contexts, the speaker maintains that none have specifically addressed John 10:28 to contradict its meaning. The argument posits that if this verse is understood correctly, it guarantees that those who walk with God will never be lost, rendering any scenario of losing salvation impossible under this specific interpretation. However, the conversation shifts to address the numerous biblical warnings against falling away, such as the exhortation in Second Peter 3:17 not to wrestle with scriptures to one's own destruction. The speaker argues that these warnings do not negate the absolute promise of John 10:28 but rather serve as necessary instructions for believers on how to maintain their walk with God. A key distinction is drawn between the ability to turn away from the truth and the impossibility of a saved person actually being lost once they are truly in Christ. The speaker emphasizes that while individuals can make bad choices or have bad thoughts, these do not equate to losing salvation unless one actively decides to stop walking with God, at which point the absolute guarantee of John 10:28 would no longer apply because the condition of "walking with me" has been abandoned. The dialogue further explores the role of the Holy Spirit and personal responsibility in maintaining salvation. The speaker clarifies that while believers are responsible for continuing to walk in love and obedience, this responsibility is a result of being saved rather than a means to earn or maintain it. If salvation depended on human effort alone, the absolute statement in John 10:28 would be compromised, but since God keeps believers through His power and the indwelling Spirit, the loss of salvation is only possible if the individual chooses to leave that relationship. The speaker uses analogies, such as a dog returning to its vomit, to illustrate that turning away from the truth reveals a person's true nature, yet the initial state of being saved remains secure unless one voluntarily departs from it. Ultimately, the conclusion reached is that the promise in John 10:28 stands as an absolute guarantee for those who continue to walk with God, effectively nullifying any scenario where a believer could be lost while still abiding in Christ. The speaker insists that dismissing this verse based on other warning passages creates a false dichotomy, as the warnings are intended to guide believers to keep walking rather than suggesting they can lose their standing. The discussion ends with an affirmation that while bad thoughts or moments of weakness may occur, they do not constitute falling away unless there is a deliberate decision to stop following God, thereby preserving the integrity of the eternal security doctrine as presented in this specific verse.
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There's two things I'd really like to bring up. The specific nature of John 10:28 >> and there are no New Testament scholars that refute OSAS. >> That's not what I said. That is not what I said. >> Well, tell me what you said. >> I said it. Matter of fact, I specifically said there are Greek scholars or people that know Greek who are scholars who do believe that you can lose your salvation. I've said that over and over again. However, there is not one Greek scholar, not one Greek grimaran, that's the key, one Greek grimaran that has refuted or written or spoken about John 10:28 to say that you can lose salvation. So to be clear, you're saying that there are scholars that would disagree with you, but you haven't found one that will unpack John 10:28. >> Not one that I found. If you found one, I would love to know. >> Okay. Um, how about uh Howard Marshall? >> Covered him before. I covered Howard Marshall. And guess what? He doesn't. Now, do you >> Okay, show me. I don't I don't know how I can show you. >> Tell me where to go to. Tell me where to go to if it's somewhere online. I can go to it. >> Okay. This is what you do then. Uh you look up a work that he did. Uh let's see. Kept by the power of God, a study of perseverance and falling away where he specifically deals with Hebrews chapter 10 verse 28. And >> John 10. >> Yes. John 10:28. He specifically deals with that. But, you know, I don't need to unpack that. You can look at it at your leisure. But what we can do is just talk about that verse. Just talk about John 10:28. And um my >> I'm I'm going to go ahead and buy this book of his. >> Okay. >> I'm going to go ahead and buy this book of his >> and if he doesn't talk about it, if he doesn't cover it, then you owe me $20. I'm not going to owe you nothing cuz he covers it. >> Okay. Out of his way to cover it. >> Okay. >> One week later. >> All right, sir. How may I help you? And do you have my money? >> Oh, shoot. You really want this money, don't you? >> But listen, you I'm just joking. But you made me buy a book that's that's not there. That what you told me to go look for is not there. >> Well, I'm not going to owe you nothing cuz he covers it. >> Okay. go out of his way to cover it. >> Okay. >> Check your super chat. >> Check my super chat. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. So, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sir. Look what he did. No, no. You said, "Can this help?" By the way, for the record, I never said go buy the book. You told me in this book the answer to >> You didn't tell me that. >> I said all that. I did. I said all of that. I never said go buy it. Never said that. I said go. >> All right. So when people tell me that other scholars have spoken about the Greek of John 10:28. There's none that have so far. Again, I'm not putting everything in in Google. Google said there's no known um Greek Rome scholar that has addressed John 10:28 to refute it. Um I asked Huh. This is the book you got. >> Hold on. Let me let me make let me make you solo so I can see what the book is. Kept by the power of God. Yes, it is. >> Okay. And did you go to >> I believe that's a book. Let me make sure. >> Hold on. Hold on. Let me pull it up. >> And I'm going to tell you this is what I would have said if we wouldn't had that uh technical breakdown. >> Yeah. Yeah. I got that. Kept by the power of God. uh a a study of perseverance and falling away. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> And page 181 is where he mentions John 10:28. But he doesn't talk about it enough, >> but >> he doesn't it doesn't satisfy your demand. So, if I would not have gotten cut off that day, what I was what I was moving towards saying is I I've got access to these theologians and the things that they write, but none of that none of that preempts um and everybody can receive this, you included. I I know you see things. I know. So, don't say don't say I'm telling you you can't you you you can't get revelation or whatever. I'm not saying that. >> But what I am saying cuz look, I'm still learning. Let me make sure everybody understand. I don't know everything. >> I'm trying to help you. >> I am no crazy war. >> I'm trying to help you learn. >> Everything. I do not. I do not. >> Okay. So, so, so, so we're straight here. We're straight that you still can't find a scholar to refute John 10:28 in the Greek. Not I can find lots of scholars that talk around maybe even use John 28. But you're looking for the the the uh exoggetic um attention given to that particular verse to talk about no not ever will be taken out of my >> Here's why. Here's why. Jeff, let me ask a question. I might be wrong. I could be wrong. But And you think I'm wrong? >> I think you're wrong about a lot of things, but >> No, no, no. I know not about a lot of things, but but but about this. You think I'm wrong about my understanding of John 10:28, but if I'm right about, let's just say, so let's play hypotheticals for a second. If I'm right about John 10:28, what does that mean for eternal security? Remember, just before he got got caught off, I said, "You're going to you're going to find that I agree. You're gonna find that I agree with that statement in John 10:28. I don't disagree with it. I agree. >> No, no, no, no. About my my understanding of John 10:28. >> Understanding of it. Let's talk about that. And of course, you and I are going to see it differently. But the way that I see that is I don't I don't believe that the Lord is conflating everybody all together. >> Well, hold on, hold on. I'm I'm going to come back to that. But you didn't answer my question. My question was if I'm right about it, if my understanding is correct. As a matter of fact, she says, "Answer the question." And she gave you three mean emojis. My question, if I'm right, >> y'all love me. Stop hating on me. >> No, we love you. Listen, we love you. If I'm right though, but Jeff, answer my question. Jeff, Jeff, you are an intelligent man. So, if I'm right, if my understanding of John 10:28 is right, what does that do for eternal security? That means it's true, right? >> Nobody can ever be lost. If you're right, that means nobody can ever be lost. Ever. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, I can't find anyone. Don't you think it's weird that even the most ardent um uh detractor opponent of eternal security and they know Greek never touched John 10:28 the one that we always bring up. >> Why? >> Because the way they look at it is the way that I look at it. And the way that I look at it is that it's an emphatic absolute statement for those that have decided they're not going to put their hand to the plow and look back because that would be unfit for the kingdom. I believe there are so many things in scripture that that warn us that warn us. I can't ignore them. So there's an emphatic statement that the Lord is making that if you will walk with me, this is an absolute guarantee. Nobody's going to pull you out of my hand. you will never be lost. But if you make a decision like Adam and Eve did, they had everything perfect. >> So Jeff, >> they still make a bad choice. >> That same that same that same um uh invite, if you will walk with me. >> Yeah. >> Isn't that the same invite that they had prior to Christ? Wasn't Israel told the same thing? If you walk with me? >> Of course. >> Okay. They didn't, did they? No. >> Why not? >> Well, you're going to say because they didn't have the new heart put in by Ezekiel 37. >> You know what I'll say, but I'm asking you why not? Why didn't they? >> I'm saying what you're saying. I'm telling you. >> Oh, you agree with that? >> I absolutely agree with that. >> Okay. And so, if they're giving a new heart, what does God say will happen? Will follow them once he get new heart in my ways. Right. >> Exactly. cause cause and and they will love him and have life. >> Yes. But see where you man I love you but you you have a you just have a certain way that you're looking at this that >> another way to look at it. >> There's a lot No, no, no, no, no. There's a lot of things in the scripture that tell us even in the New Testament. I mean, my goodness, even Paul was backed up by Peter, and Peter said, um, don't fall away from your own steadfastness and wrestle with the scriptures like others do to their own destruction. When you get things like that, >> don't fall away from your own steadfastness. Where's that verse? >> Second Peter chapter 3 verse uh I don't know 14, 15, 16, somewhere in there in the 14 I mean in the in the teens. Second Peter 3 and and Peter is warning everybody. Hey, pay attention to our brother Paul and don't be wrestling with the scriptures like others do to their own destruction. Make sure you stand fast and that you don't slip from your own steadfastness. Okay, >> that's a warning. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So, let's let's put the verse on the screen. >> Go ahead, please. >> There it is. fall from your own steadfastness. >> Yes. >> What are they falling from? >> Uh how about they're falling from grace? How about they're falling from the Lord? How about these are people that were in God and he's warning them? He's warning them. Do I just ignore it? I mean, if I listen to you, >> but you turn that word into a different meaning, though. >> Listen, listen. If I listen to you, and I know you don't mean anybody any harm. I think you're trying to really help people. really really helpful. But if I listen to you on this, it will be very troublesome. >> Why? >> Because then I'm saying, "Well, I can't fall. So, let me just go ahead and live my life cuz I can't fall." >> No one No one believes that. >> No. This is where people like yourself would do these straw man. No one said that. >> Matter of fact, we we say this. I say this. >> If you believe you can never lose your salvation, >> Yeah. Um, the question is going to be though, do you are you saved? How do you know you're saved? >> No, that's not the question. >> The way that you test to see if you're saved is by your own walk. >> No. >> Is by what you what you I'm sorry. >> That's not the question. >> It's the question I'm saying. >> But that's not the question. >> The way you know you're saved is if you have Christ. The way you know you have Christ is if you're being led by the spirit. How are you living? Right. >> Yes, Corey. I agree. >> So, why do you think so? Because I believe that I can't lose my salvation. You think I'm going to go live how I want to live? Let me ask you a question. So, have you lost your Have you lost yours, >> Cy? That's not a good question either. >> Yeah, it is. >> How about No, no. How about asking me this? >> I got to I I got to ask the question you want me to ask. Okay. around people that have walked a strong walk. They've lived their life. They love God. And then for whatever reason, they went backwards. Have you ever seen that, Jeff? Yeah, I have seen that. >> Okay. So, thank you for telling me the question to ask. Now, I ask another question. Have you lost your salvation, Jeff? >> No. >> You're save. So, you haven't. You're saved now? >> I'm saved this very moment. >> This very moment. And you've never lost your salvation? >> No. As a matter of fact, I will never lose my salvation. However, I can walk away from it. >> So, what are you doing right now that you haven't lost your salvation? >> I'm just living for the Lord, man. >> Oh, so so you're living for the Lord. >> I'm living here's what I'm doing. I'm living my life according to the leading of the spirit of God that always moves me toward love. So much love that when I mele back. The reason why you have not lost your salvation, the reason why Jeff has not lost his salvation is because of what Jeff is doing. Well, you don't think Jeff is responsible to keep himself in the love of God. You think I'm ear I'm I have no responsibility in that. I can't I can't do anything. I'm just in it. And no matter what I do, I can never ever ever >> Because of your salvation, you have been given responsibilities. But your responsibility isn't to keep your salvation in view of your salvation work. The Bible says not work for your salvation, but because you're saved, you ought to work. But you're telling me though, the reason why you're saved is because you're doing something. You're doing something to stay safe. >> Yeah. >> What is Jesus doing? What what is the Lord doing to keep you saved? >> Well, see, first of all, again, the the very foundation, the very paradigm that you work from is off. I mean, you look, you got a lot of things right, but when it comes to this, your paradigm is off. And I don't think I can ever do anything about that. So, answer my question about it. We can be >> You can help me and everyone else here. >> I asked you I asked you a question. >> What is Jesus doing? What is the Lord doing? >> Listen, >> is he doing Is he doing anything to keep you saved? >> Yes. >> What? >> He giving me the Holy Spirit, man. >> What's the Holy Spirit doing to keep you safe? >> What? What's the Holy Spirit doing to keep you saved? >> He's Oh, you really want to hear the answer to that? Cuz >> No, I asked the question just to be planned. Yeah. What is he doing to keep you saved? >> I'm going to answer the question. >> Okay. >> He's put his spirit in me, man. He's put a spirit of love, joy, peace, longsuffering, goodness, gentleness, meekness, which means I'm teachable, temperance. >> Okay, that hold on. Stop. Can I Can I pause you for a second, Jeff? We're having a good conversation. He put that in you. >> Yes. >> What text tells you that he puts that in you? >> First go to Galatians 5:22. >> It didn't say he put that in you. He said that's the result of having the spirit in you. He didn't say he put that in you. >> Dude, how in the heck are you going to get that without the spirit being in you? >> You said he put So he puts Let's go there. Let's >> No, no, no, no, no. Let's go with your thinking. Let's go with your thinking. Does the Bible call that fruit of the spirit? It's the result of having the spirit and fruit of the spirit karpos result. >> Oh. Oh. Oh. So that's fruit. What does fruit mean? >> But the fruit of the spirit is love. Joy. He he he put he put kindness in you. >> Yes. >> So Christians are kind. All Christians are kind and patient. >> Yeah. You know where they are? >> Where? >> Right there in that same scripture what tells you to get out of the flesh which is where a lot of people are and get in the spirit because your choice >> and he puts self-control in you too. Huh? Your choice to be in the flesh is your choice to be in the flesh. And your choice to be in the spirit is your choice to be in the spirit. He gives it to you. >> You don't understand the the verbiage then. The verbiage is simply saying that what flows from you having the spirit will be those things. Not necessarily always because we we've seen Christians not be kind or be gentle but still be Christian. I'm going to be with you. So, so my question is this though, the Holy Spirit is keeping you saved. >> Yes. >> And you are too. >> As long as I walk with the Lord. Yeah. >> What is the Holy Spirit doing to keep you walking in the Lord? Cuz apparently the Holy Spirit doesn't keep you walking in the Lord. Huh? >> Do you accept the fact that he's put love in me or there love in me that comes from God? I accept the fact that that if you have the Holy Spirit then you will love. >> Sure. >> Do you understand that that love that love is what is generated by the Holy Spirit? It's called fruit. >> So wait a second. So he put faithfulness in you? >> Yes. Faith. >> So the re So the reason why you're So the reason why you're faithful is because the Lord did that. >> Yeah. >> Oh. Oh, he's the reason why you So, he's the reason why you stay saved. >> Yeah. Who said Who said anything different? >> You did. You said you keep yourself saved earlier. >> No. No. You're not. Nope. Nope. Let's get it really, really straight. Yes. The Lord keeps me that way. But does the Bible say, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Romans chapter 8:14. Doesn't that Bible tell you? Doesn't doesn't the scripture tell us in many places to be faithful, to walk with God, to obey? Does the scripture say that? Or does the scripture say you receive the Holy Ghost, you're good to go, do whatever you want to do now? >> No one says that. See, you're making you're making these little false statements. No one's ever said that you can go do what I know. >> No, hold on. No one's ever said you can go do what you want to do. No one said that. But again going to the verse and and this is this is it. This is this is how we know uh I'm right and you're not. This is how we know. >> This is how we know you have you've moved into a place of arrogantly thinking you're right and I can't tell you any different. >> So all the other Greek scholars are arrogantly thinking the same thing. Huh? >> All the other Greek scholars don't agree with that position. >> There's no Greek scholar known to man. There's no Greek scholar known to man that can defeat that position. So what they're going off of Hold on. So they're relying on just like you their own feelings. >> They're not. Hold on. They couldn't be relying on the text. Jeff, if they were relying on the text, they'd be using the text. >> So why does I, Howard Marshall, run away from the text? >> I don't think you understand the text. I don't think you understand it. I think you know it. I think you know the Greek. I think you know all all of the breakdown everything but you don't understand the intention. >> Does Daniel Wallace know it? >> I don't know. I don't know who knows anything really. >> Okay. The people. Okay. What What Bible do you like to read out of? >> The Holy One. >> Which one? Which translation do you like to read out of? >> Let's see. New King James. King James Amplified. Uh New uh what is it? the New Living Translation. I like to read out of a lot. I will study. Here's a here's a better question. I will study out of the King James. I'll study with that. >> I'll read them all. So if I if I were to go to every single Greek textbook or every Greek grammar, a secondyear Greek book or even an advanced one or if I were to find commentary from the Greek scholars, the best ones that we have, all of them or everyone that speaks about this verse, everybody, every textbook, every grammar, every scholar that speaks about John 10:28 says what I say or I I'll put it this way. I say what they say. They're not following me. >> So hold on. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. You're saying because what you're saying is I arrogantly believe that I'm right. >> I No, no, no. Listen, listen to what I'm saying. I believe you're right about John 10:28. When you break it down, it means what it says. But the arrogant thing, let me be clear. The arrogant thing is to dismiss all of the warnings that the scriptures talk about. >> Don't I talk about those warnings? >> Jeff, do I talk about those warnings? Have name a passage in the Bible, a warning passage or anything else that I've never covered. Name one. Name name the one that I haven't covered. >> Well, that's a crazy question. I don't know. >> Okay. >> I just said go just >> pick P pick a warning passage or >> what I just said. Second Peter chapter 3. Go there. >> I was just at second Peter chapter 3. >> You told me to pick one. There's one we didn't >> I just And I and and I just answered it. I just covered it, didn't I? >> I don't know. Did you really cover it? Cuz I don't recall you really covering that. You went there. You definitely went there. We got our thing is we'll go into so many different directions and permutations of a conversation that you may start there but that's not that doesn't mean we fully executed it. >> So if I have a warning if I have a warning >> if I've got a passage if I got a passage >> Yeah. >> Um it's a warning passage. >> Yeah. Wouldn't there be wouldn't it stand a reason there's some people there that read this text or hear this that aren't saved but think they're saved? >> Well, we're going to go to that again. I'm asking question there's people reading these letters that you will say, "Oh, they're really not part of the kingdom of God. They're not really saved. They're not really >> So, are all the people that are reading this?" So, everyone that would hear >> I understand your argument. You are saying that this letter that's addressed to the Christians somehow has made it into the hands of the secular people too. So let me make sure if I'm Peter I'm putting in a warning to the secular people even though it was intended for the saved people. I need to have this in here for the secular people. Is that what you were telling me? I'll tell you again, after the people that will hear the hear these words, all of the people that show up are not saved. When it's read in the hearing of the body, you're telling me that everybody that hears because they don't the the unsaved people aren't don't have their own Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. The unsaved people don't have their own copy. So, they'll show up to hear the reading. This this how church was then. They will show up to hear the reading. Who's going to show up to hear the reading? Only Christians. Uh, only true believers, right? >> No, wait a minute. What did you just say? >> When the church When the church shows up, I think you said that. >> When all the people show when when when the people show up, >> it's it's read to the church, right? >> Yes, it's read to the church because people don't secular people. >> Hold on. My question is, do you think that only true believers show up? You don't think that any non-believers show up? >> I don't care if the non-believers show up. >> I don't care what you That's not the question I asked you. See, you're running. I asked you. Do you think that any Do you think any non Yes or no? Any non-believers would show up to hear? >> Let me see. To be honest with you, with the pressure that the people that were under in that day of being a Christian, I don't know if there were unbelievers that would show up with the intention of staying unbelievers. So, let me say >> that wasn't the question I asked you though. I asked you, do non would non-believers show up? In Acts 8, was there was there a non-believer there in Acts 8 listening? Yes, >> there there were non-believers everywhere, Corey, when the gospel was free. Thank you. There were not ever. >> So therefore, therefore, cuz Peter in this very same book talks about dogs who show up. >> Yeah. Used to be believers. >> No, he didn't say that. He never said they used to be believers. >> See, that's what I mean by your paradigm. That's what I mean. >> Here's here's the proverb. >> Doesn't he say doesn't he say it was better for these dogs >> to It's like the dog returning to its vomit. It's better for them that they would ne that they that it was better for them to never have known the way of truth than to know it and have turned away. >> What do they know what? Know what? Know what? Know the way of truth. >> Yes. Read the whole thing. >> I just did. >> Just as a matter of fact, do do you see this? You see are you are you watching the screen? >> I'm looking at your screen. >> Do you notice that I have something highlighted in yellow? >> Yes, sir. >> Cuz we've cover we've covered this ad nauseium. So they would have known the way >> than having known it and turned away. So knowing what? So knowing So here's what I've said before. You guys don't listen. I can say it a thousand times and I can promise you every single person like Jeff is not going to listen. I've said it. People can hear the gospel and and hear what I'm what I'm saying because clearly the gospel is truth. You're not listening. Clearly the gospel is truth. So I can hear the Clearly the gospel is truth. So I can hear the truth and turn away from the truth. Can I? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> But that doesn't mean this is the situation. >> I can know that's the truth and turn away from it. Can I? >> Yes, you can. But that doesn't mean that's the situation. >> It doesn't mean it's not. How do we know it? >> Well, here's how we do know. Here is the But here's what it says. A dog returns to its own vomit. >> Why does it say that? Because that's what the person is. They return to what they are. >> Oh. Oh. What is the first a pig or a s returns back to the meer? >> What was said to pree to uh uh say those words. >> See, the problem is you don't listen. Problem is you don't cuz cuz I told you yours all of your analogies are done away with. All of your scenarios are done away with with John 10:28 because the possibility No, you don't because Jesus is saying the possibility the possibility of something happening is all inclusive of every scenario you can think of. If he says impossible, then that means every scenario you can think of is done away with. Am I correct on that? If I say something is if I say something is impossible, then can you come up with a scenario that makes it possible? >> No, I can't. >> So, okay. So, if it's impossible, there is no such scenario to make what Jesus says possible. So, you can't throw in a scenario if they stop walking, if they turn away, if they stop believing. >> I don't know if you said that the way you meant it. >> No, I said exactly the way I meant it. I've said it. I said it I said it multiple times before. Not the first time I said it. If you say something is impossible, that nullifies any possibility or any scenario which you just agreed to. So pick a scenario. Whatever one you pick cannot be cannot compass or get past the impossibility of it. And how long according to John 10:20, the rule of the Greek, how long does this ne uh emphatic negation of a subjunctive last? now into eternity. It can never go away because that means then so therefore if I if I say something's impossible if I say for example it's impossible for Jeff to be right or if it's impossible for Jeff to be wrong. If I say it's impossible for Jeff to be wrong, you can't come up with any scenario for Jeff to be wrong. But what if he got the answer wrong? That means he won't get it wrong. That means if he says two plus if if two plus two let me ask a question. Is it impossible for God to lie? >> That absolutely is true. >> Okay. Now, can I think of any scenario where by which it can be possible? >> No. >> Okay. If it's impossible for God to fail, is there any scenario whereby it's possible for God to fail? No. If it's impossible for a sheep to ever perish, then there's no scenario where by which it's possible for the sheep to perish. Right. >> True. >> Thank you. >> Again. Again. >> Thank you for hearing it >> again. Again. But here's what you would also say that uh you know, we're sheep, right? >> Mhm. >> We're all sheep. So, let me make sure I understand your argument. Let me make sure I understand this part. You're saying that once you are saved, I mean filled with the spirit, washed by the blood of Jesus, falling in love with the Lord, you will not have any more bad thoughts that could lead you into error. >> That is funny. >> Not ever. Never. No. Not ever. This one will never hear or listen. >> That's what it says in Greek. >> That's what we do. >> Or he. >> This is what we do. I told you from the beginning. I believe I believe in the in fact state. >> No, you don't. No, you don't. You're just saying that, but you don't believe it cuz you're fighting on it. >> I absolutely believe it. I just believe you're misappropriating it. And then because I'm telling you that I'm wrong. >> How How should I apply it then? How should I apply it? You should apply. Okay, let me tell you how to apply it. You should understand then I got then I got to move on to the next person. >> Yeah, I really wanted to get to Isaiah 28, but we ain't got time for that. >> We can do it another time. >> Next time we can do that, but here's what I'm going to say. Understand that the Lord has an intention. You've kind of made some absolutes, some absolute references out of absolute statements. You said you're going to tell me how to apply John 10:28. >> No, no. Listen, listen, listen. You've made some statements that are absolute for everybody and they're supposed to be absolute for believers. Your statement is supposed to be for believers. What you're saying is what you're saying is that there's this all-encompassing group of people that the Lord could be talking about and those people are not included. Those people are not included as those that are saved. What Jesus is saying is if you'll walk with me, that's why I keep saying it. If you'll walk with me, this is absolute. and other places like just not to be disingenuous with the scriptures but using other places that he has talked about this I cannot divorce myself I can't disabuse myself of other passages that are warnings can't do it >> so again you did not deal with John you said I'm misapplying John 10:20 I asked you how how do I apply it you went somewhere else but fine >> if you keep walking I don't know why you keep it's almost like you don't listen to what I said or my explanation if you Keep walking. Let me just pause for a second. Let me pause for a second. Just Just hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Just Just watch your screen for a second. I I didn't rehearse this. You and I didn't plan this. >> Ladies and gentlemen, >> have I said if you keep walking, didn't I? I've always said that you have to keep walking. You have to keep following. You have to keep believing. Did I have to keep abiding? Have I not always said that? I've always said that. And then to go along with that, I've also stated that you will keep walking. You will keep abiding. You will keep the word. I've said that. >> Will you ever >> What? >> Will you ever have any bad thoughts? Where have I covered? Where have I covered, ladies and gentlemen, that you will that you will keep the word and you will keep walking or you will keep bearing fruit. >> I got a very specific question on the table. >> Nope. I got to let you go a little bit. I got to let you go because I got other folks. And >> so here's what Jesus says. >> He says that the person that hears the word with a good heart, what will they do? They will hold it fast >> and they will bear fruit. How long? >> My question, my question was, will you ever have a bad thought? That was my question. >> Yes, you will have a bad thought. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. >> All right. So, listen. >> We'll unpack that later. Go on to your other people. Love you. God bless you. >> I love you too, brother. You take care.