The Worst Moments Of The Podcast | Iced Coffee Hour Highlights | Ep. 1-10
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In this inaugural episode of *Iced Coffee Hour*, Graham and his co-host Macy introduce their podcast with a candid look at past entrepreneurial ventures, including an ambitious but unrealized idea for a free cell phone plan funded by pre-call advertisements. The conversation shifts to the classic financial puzzle from *Brewster's Millions*—spending $30 million without acquiring any net assets—and explores creative solutions like renting luxury properties in Hamptons or damaging priceless art and cars before selling them off, emphasizing that ownership of expensive items is not required for high spending. A significant portion of the episode features a dramatic reveal where Graham shows Macy an engagement ring worth over one million dollars; while initially guessing around $150,000 to match her husband's cufflinks from their wedding, she reacts with shock upon learning its true value, highlighting the emotional impact of such wealth displays. The hosts also delve into financial literacy and investment strategies, specifically addressing Tesla as a long-term hold versus a volatile short-term trade. Graham argues that while Tesla might reach high valuations like Amazon or Apple over five years, it is currently too unpredictable for day traders who cannot ignore daily price fluctuations. This discussion leads to a humorous yet revealing admission from Macy regarding her $30,000 in credit card debt incurred through travel and living expenses at Andrew's house, prompting advice on closing unused cards while keeping one small limit open for emergencies. The episode further explores the risks of options trading with an anecdote about Macy selling puts on NIO to make a modest profit before Wirecard went bankrupt, illustrating how even prepared investors can lose capital quickly when market conditions shift unexpectedly. Macy provides a detailed breakdown of her diverse income streams, which collectively generate nearly $100,000 per month across various platforms including Google AdSense (around $17,000), paid partnerships with companies like Audible and Skillshare ($30,000), YouTube courses ($30,000), Instagram sponsorships, and digital workbooks for English learners that sold 25,000 units in their first month. She contrasts this substantial revenue against her monthly expenses totaling $419 after fees, noting categories like groceries at Sprouts and Jack in the Box, which she aims to reduce to align with a more frugal lifestyle similar to Graham's past habits. The transparency extends to revealing that while some viewers might scrutinize such financial disclosures, Macy maintains these figures openly without shame, reinforcing her identity as an entrepreneur who values honesty over hiding assets or debts. Throughout the episode, there is a recurring theme of balancing ambition with practicality, whether it involves renting out houses instead of buying them for the *Brewster's Millions* challenge or deciding to invest in fractional shares rather than risky options trades initially suggested by Graham. The hosts also touch upon personal finance education, recalling how Macy was introduced to credit card points and annual fee structures during their early dating conversations, which sparked her interest in financial independence. As they wrap up the episode with a lighthearted attempt at speaking Russian phrases for likes on social media, the tone remains grounded in real-world experiences—from dog surgeries costing $700 to paying off unemployment benefits—underscoring that even successful creators face everyday challenges and must constantly adapt their strategies to maintain financial health.
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What's up you guys? It's Graham here.
So, welcome to my first ever podcast
ever that that I've been I I don't want
to say I'm hosting it. I mean, you're
mostly hosting me, but
Right, right, right. Co-hosting,
co-host. There's no host.
Okay, I don't like that intro. Should I
redo it? It's a podcast.
It's fine. Podcasts are raw.
businesses when you were younger. When
you were younger, there were any
businesses that you started up or you
you tried to start up now looking in,
you know, hindsight they actually
weren't
I wanted to come up with a free cell
phone plan where instead of you know,
when you call a phone, it's like it
rings like
Yeah, yeah.
Imagine if you get a free cell phone.
So, you wouldn't have to pay any sort of
like monthly data or like anything like
that. So, you don't have to pay like 30,
40 bucks a month, but instead anytime
you make an outgoing call, you'll hear
an ad for like 10, 15 seconds and then
the call goes through.
Whoa, that's
So, I figured, you know, like
or or when people call you, let's just
say.
Instead of hearing the, you know, it's
ringing or you know how people have a
ring back tone where it plays some
classical music or something.
Imagine if a person calls you and they
just hear an ad until you pick up the
phone. It's just a free cell phone plan
where you can make as many calls as you
want within the United States, but it's
just you listen to an ad before the call
goes through.
Not a bad idea.
So, I yeah, I came up I know I got a
business plan in there. But basically, I
was one of those kids where it's like,
"Okay, so there's 300 million people in
the United States. If we can get
1% of those people and we make an
average of, you know, 15 cents a day to
know, you know, all of this and I'm like
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
based on that. And that was my that was
my pitch was just was just that. Like if
we get this amount of people, make this
amount.
Right, right.
Uh I started looking into it and it was
just it was I felt so over my head. I
just like I had this idea.
It's hard.
But I was like, "Where do I start? How
do I get advertisers?" I think I was
like 18 years old. I was like, what do I
do? Never pursued it.
Have you ever heard of Brewster's
Millions? So, it's about a guy who was
like a failed minor league pitcher. So,
nothing spectacular. And he just finds
out like out of nowhere this uncle had
like a ton of money, basically. And the
thing was there was like it was like a
game. He said, if you can spend $30 and
have net assets zero by the end of it,
then you get the rest like the other 300
million. So, this guy in this movie, he
had a month to spend $30 and if he
couldn't spend it, he didn't get the
extra 300 million. What would you do?
Would you How would you spend like that
$30?
Easy. I would say art,
cars, watches, real estate. I mean
But then you'd have assets.
Oh, you have to spend Oh, and not have
any assets.
Yeah.
You would be able to rent a really
expensive house. There are plenty of
houses that you could rent uh Hamptons
uh Hamptons prime season, I think it's
like 200,000 a month. Uh you could pay
uh even more
uh for like full staff and stuff like
that. You could rent a whole bunch of
houses like that. You're not owning any
assets on that. You could rent some
really expensive It's basically renting
everything. You could almost buy like
really expensive price priceless
paintings and then damage them.
You damage them and then they're worth
so much less. Like imagine buying let's
say like a Mona Lisa, let's just say.
And you just you just you you drive
light it on fire. You light it on fire.
Something like that and then the ashes
you sell the ashes back for let's say,
you know, a million dollars or something
like that. And then now you only have a
million to spend in 30 days.
You know, you could do that with with
exotic cars, too. You just get like a
vintage Ferrari,
you know, $10 million.
Just crash it.
Crash it and then sell it a mill, right?
It's got to be with something like that
and then just you know, now you spent a
million dollars or something just repeat
that. It's a lot of work. I would
probably I'd probably take the
challenge, but I'd find a way to spend
it.
Speaking of rings,
Let's see that one.
Show that one.
What is this?
So,
Oh, THIS IS OH, WOW. YOU GOT THIS BEEFED
UP, didn't you, guys?
did not get IT BEEFED UP.
WOW.
Show it show it to the camera.
Don't tell Jack.
Is it cool Jack holds it?
Yes.
Okay, wait, wait, wait. Let me let me
feel it first. Let me look.
Jack's going to break I just want I want
to film Jack's reaction.
Wait, wait, that's a I thought that was
fake the whole time.
Is that a diamond?
So so Jack hold it.
I thought it
Okay, wait, wait, wait. We got to get
your reaction on this, okay? Cuz I know
Wait, guys.
Oh, you know what? We might just have to
get some beer out.
Yeah, get some beer out so we can get
crazy.
Wait, wait, wait.
Wait, there's a hair on it. I think you
saw it when it was just the like
diamond.
Okay.
Do you want to be in this as well? I I
think I want I want both of your
reactions cuz you you don't I don't I
don't think you know either.
You
Know what?
Just hold it. Guess how much you think
that is.
How much?
But I I I know how much the engagement
ring is.
Oh, wait. Guess how much that would be.
So the cufflinks that your husband wore
during the wedding were like 50,000,
right?
55.
And they had diamonds on them, right?
One and a half.
You going to guess that one and a half
million?
Yep.
It's like this or a Lamborghini, right?
So like I would have
I think this could be like 150,
175,000.
Okay, you want to tell him?
That's how much this ring was actually.
But this ring is definitely over a
million dollars.
Look at his face. Look at his face.
Look
Look at this. Look at his face.
I can't hold it.
He's shaking. HE'S SHAKING.
TAKE IT OUT OF MY HAND.
HE'S SHAKING.
BUT
I THOUGHT I THOUGHT THAT WAS RIGHT.
OH, MY GOD.
WE WERE DEFINITELY RIGHT. But I don't I
don't wear this everyday. The only
reason I'm wearing this is because I
have an interview after this.
Okay, yeah, fair enough.
But I I never wear this. This is like
locked up in a safety deposit box.
Yeah.
I really don't wear
I I know. Wow, look at I just wanted
Jack's reaction to that. That's all.
Your reactions are the best.
Jack is THE BEST HERE. EVEN pulling up
to THE HOUSE IS WHOA, WHERE ARE WE even
at?
I love that.
We got monetized, too.
That means that you guys can watch ads
in this video.
Exactly.
How exciting is that? So, we should
share how much we've made so far.
Okay, so we've made $72.
$72, wow.
And that's a few days. Uh now $72, but
but you have to consider how much work
went into that. I would say from
actually filming the episodes, I would
say 20 minutes of prep work, an hour of
filming. Uh Christine's one took That
was an entire night from like 8:00 p.m.
to midnight
Yeah.
of doing that, plus editing.
Editing that one probably took me like 5
hours to edit.
It's less than
Yeah.
We're probably making like $5 an hour
for for doing this right now,
realistically. So, that's that's why you
got to get your two free stocks from
WeBull.
That's why you have to click on the ads,
watch them all the way through.
I we can't tell them to do that. But
Why?
You're not supposed to tell people to
watch the ads and watch them all the way
through.
So, don't do that.
No. Don't do that, guys.
Is it too late to invest in Tesla?
Oh, that's a tough one. You know, I got
to say, if you're a long-term investor,
I don't think it's too late. Cuz I, you
know, I personally believe it's going to
be a two, three thousand dollar stock in
the future, if I, you know, over the
next five years or so. But at the same
time, if you're if you're trying to do a
short-term move around it, I just don't
think it's a great stock to do it
around. Um it's too volatile. It's
almost like it's one of those stocks
that very few come along, kind of like
an Amazon, an Apple, a Google, where you
just buy it and you just hold it, man.
You just throw it in the filing cabinet,
you try not to look at the stock price.
It's going to, you know, if it's at 500
a year from now or 2,000, you try not to
make judgments off that. It's one of
those you just buy and you forget about
it, man.
Don't you think a lot of people think
the same thing that like Tesla's going
to be the next, you know, Amazon or
whatever, and they're all piling into it
now with that expectation? And don't you
think that's maybe influenced the price
rate? Cuz part of me looks at the
company and like this maybe like four or
500 bucks.
Yeah.
But but you but it might never get there
because people just have so much faith
in the company that it's never going to
hit what it's I think kind of valued at.
Well,
You know,
with with these special opportunities,
they really just trade, you know, way
ahead of themselves. Like years in
advance. Amazon's done that since the
beginning of time, you know, since when
that went went public in the '90s. It's
always traded way ahead of the market
because a lot of investors just look at
it and they're like, it's just the
future. And obviously it's it's now as
well when it comes to Amazon, and that's
why that one's at a $1.3 trillion market
cap right now, Amazon. Cuz
if you're trying to base Amazon off of
what they're doing today, there's no way
a $1.3 trillion valuation makes sense
for Amazon today. But when you base it
off of what they're doing in 5 years, it
might be a steal.
So, and that and that goes for a lot of
these great companies, you know, there
was there's been a lot of times where
Apple's been way overvalued. And there's
been times where it's been undervalued.
So, you know, sometimes these long-term
investments you have to throw in the
filing cabinet.
So, I think I'm about $30,000
in credit card debt right now.
No.
Yeah.
Uh wait a minute.
No, you're kidding. Jeez, don't do that.
That's funny.
No, yeah, like I don't belong on this
your channel.
Wait, wait, are you serious?
Your audience is going to
I can't tell.
crucify you.
That's That's a joke. No, I'm being We
got a prankster here.
No, I'm No, I'm being serious. Yeah, I
just spent a lot last year. Remember
Remember where I used to live?
Yeah.
Yeah, so so I saw I saw Andrew's place.
a month.
$3,700 bucks a month.
And I was like $3,700 for reference.
I also went to Russia and Japan and
Paris.
Wow.
Okay, I yeah, so I'm so I'm sorry about
like laugh I thought you were kidding.
No, no, it's not funny. I'm like oh
yeah, I know it's like No, it's fine.
Well, I've done this like a couple times
in my life and I always get out of it.
Where Where's the debt being held on?
What interest rate are you paying on
that debt?
Oh, it's probably ridiculous. I've
probably have paid three or four grand
in interest alone this year.
Your best bet honestly is you got to
throw everything in the savings,
everything.
You mean take everything out of savings?
Whatever you have in savings keep just
barely enough cuz cuz cuz here's the
thing, my thinking is that in an in an
emergency you could always put more
money back in the credit cards.
Mhm.
If you need to you can spend money on
credit cards, get up the debt again,
that's fine.
did get unemployment and that's that
that helped a lot. So I paid off a bunch
with that and
Do you feel like you can't trust
yourself to use a credit card?
Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know
like my self-control and stuff, you
know?
Then don't get a card. Then then I agree
with you on that. Yeah, pay it off,
close out the cards. I would keep one
card open.
Yeah, right.
a $300 or $500 limit or whatever, $1,000
limit on the card just so you have it.
My dog just had surgery like 2 weeks ago
and it was $700.
Yeah.
So many things happened, you know?
Yeah, I made my first ever option trade.
Gosh, I told you not to do it.
So he told me not to do it in our
private mentorship group, link down
below.
In the description. Um I was talking
with the guys in the Zoom call and one
of them was telling me about selling
puts. So I decided to do it and I sold a
put on NIO strike price $7. For those of
you guys who know options, that's what I
did and uh
yeah, I made like $29 off a $700
investment. It was a small investment.
Obviously I'm not going to do a bunch of
money in the beginning when I'm, you
know, doing options trading, but I made
some money off of it.
Congratulations.
And I remember telling Graham and Graham
was just like, "Oh my god."
But I mean you would have made more
money just buying two two shares of
Tesla.
You would have made way more money.
that would have required like a $2,000
investment. And also
$2,000.
No, I invested $700.
Well, well, you could buy fractional
shares. You would have made more money
buying a fractional share in Robinhood.
Anyways, I made some money and Graham
was just like, "Oh my god." And you know
you know you win you win a couple of
times a little bit and then one time you
lose and that's it. I made like 3 4% in
what? 5 days? want you to do it 20
times.
And I want you to make money 15 out of
those 20 times. Then I think that would
be a good gauge of how well you're
doing.
All right. 75% of the time you make
money.
I'm going to continue trading options
and gambling away all of the money I'm
getting from the podcast.
Do you want to say the thing that where
you like put that money in that one
stock and then made like $40 or $80 or
so?
say that. So, one of them that that like
it's a silly example, but Wirecard. That
bankrupt company. For fun,
uh I put two grand in Wirecard cuz I
noticed it was hovering just within, you
know, a set range. And I think, "Well,
you know, if if I could time it was it
literally bouncing like you had these
two levels. It would just bounce between
them." So, I figured, "Well, I may as
well just try to buy towards the low and
then set, you know, a limit and so it
automatically sells when it reaches a
certain point." I made like 80 bucks on
that. But, I had to invest 2,000. Like I
was prepared to lose that.
Made $80 off 2,000.
I was prepared to lose it. And that was
within a few hours.
And the company was going bankrupt,
right?
The the next day it went down to like,
you know, I think 2 days later it was
like 90 something cents.
And what did you buy it at?
Uh I bought it at $9 and
60 something and I sold it at $9 and 90
something. I mean
It was funny because you said like with
taxes and everything considered it was
like $40 that you made off of them.
40 bucks on that. $2,000 like
investment.
We went and got burritos.
Yeah, paid for burritos. That's what was
the goal. It was a fun little thing for
me to do.
For those of you who don't know me, I am
formally known as Graham's girlfriend or
Savannah Smiles, but my name is Macy and
I am on this podcast. I live with Graham
and I am his living actress.
Roommates.
Roommates. We're just roommates. We're
keeping this PG.
For parental guidance.
So, welcome.
So, you were into finance a lot even
before you met Graham.
Yeah. Yeah, that was something that we
really clicked about. I remember one
night that Graham and I first started
talking, I think we were up till like
2:00 a.m. talking about credit card
points and different credit cards. He's
telling me about like these ones cuz my
parents were always very against any
with like the annual
Annual fees.
it. I almost said statements. I knew
that was wrong. But, the annual fees.
So, then when he started saying, "Hey,
no, like this is how it pays for it
back." I was like,
"Wow." Like my mind was just blown. So,
I can remember there was that. We were
talking about credit He knew my credit
score before we even went on our first
date. That's what made him so interested
in me.
Did you ask that question right away?
I think so.
I don't know if you asked me.
was like indirectly be like, you know,
something about credit scores and then
it just came up in conversation. I don't
think I asked directly, "Like what's
your credit score?" What's your credit
score?
I think I just brought it up. Like I
just offered this information willingly.
I'm like, "By the way, my credit score
is over 750." And he's like, "What?"
"You're that age and your credit score
is that high?" I'm like,
"Yeah."
Yeah, it's not like the text like,
"Guess what I'm wearing tonight." It's
like, "Guess what my credit score is."
"750." I'm like, "Oh, say no more."
Graham is going to review my budget. So,
I prepared my income and expenses and I
can throw up a screenshot of the
spreadsheet.
Comes Okay.
And Graham is going to look at all my
stuff. All right, so here we go. So, we
got video editing, $4,000. I want to
read this in my own mind. $4,127.29.
We got the mentorship group $1,106 a
month, hourly, okay, $600, podcast
$144.55.
Okay, decent income. That's good. That's
good. But, then we got your expenses, uh
Basal on Mint with Matthew, what's that?
Okay, so that was that the the pho that
I got, the Vietnamese pho with my friend
where you got the spring rolls.
Uh what's Lucky?
Groceries.
Why is it Lucky?
I don't know. That was what Mint
classified it as. I just got all this
from Mint.
Lucky PayPal.
Don't know what that was. $15. Okay,
then we got Little Caesars, 539. Okay,
that's right. Two Trees Cafe, $18 at a
cafe, what was that?
Uh I got this thing called a Monte
Cristo. It was just a sandwich.
Uh my friends wanted to go, I think.
Sprouts. Okay, so Sprouts, $114, that
was groceries for the month. Audible,
$15 a month. Fees and charges, what's
Why are you paying fees and charges?
no idea what that was.
Jack in the Box, 757. That's expensive
for Jack in the Box.
Yeah.
Groceries, 26. Habit Thompson for Venmo,
a dollar. Arco Gas, okay, groceries. So,
you went to groceries twice. So, you're
eating $220 a month in groceries.
Yeah.
Uh okay, that's fine. Vons, so gross,
597809.
Total expenses, $419.
That's a lot. Net income, 55.
My expenses are a lot?
Yeah, it's a lot of money.
Uh get rid of those fees and charges, no
Jack in the Box. You want to get that
down to like 380 a month, and I'd be
happy. I mean, it's it's good. I I I
have
on I mean, obviously, I have no
complaints on this. I mean, overall,
it's not terrible.
Like, I don't have very expensive
tastes.
No.
For the most part. It's good. This
reminds me of my expenses back in the
day, where I would have like really
nothing.
Yeah.
But uh yeah, it's good.
Yeah.
I'm fortunate I don't have very
expensive tastes.
Yeah.
You know, I just don't need very much to
operate. How many streams of income do
you have if you're willing to disclose
this?
Oh, sure. So, Language Hub number one,
uh Google AdSense number two, paid
partnerships, affiliate programs,
um my YouTube course,
investment income.
Oh, investment income. Just added that.
Oh, Instagram ads. When people buy ads
for me on Instagram.
ads for me? Wait, how does that work?
Oh, like sponsored like sponsorships.
Oh, I'm like, wait, Instagram has ads?
What?
Yeah, sponsorships.
Oh, and I have my workbooks. This is an
amazing income source cuz you produce
It's like a book, like a PDF. I call
them handbooks or workbooks. And they
sell for like $7. And the one that I
made was for English language learners.
It has 180 pages. And in the first month
we made $25,000 selling it.
Um
Wait, wait, what is it exactly?
It's like, you know, it's a lot of
things in one handbook. So, we have like
a thousand words that every English
language learner should know, TV shows
that you should watch, like a lot of
information about the English language.
Yeah. So, you have like seven or so.
Yeah.
Quite a few.
Yeah.
Are you able to disclose percentages or
numbers or
Yeah, sure. I think Google AdSense this
month is around 17,000.
For which for all combined? Okay.
Ugh.
Yeah, I watched it yesterday's video.
Shady. Oh, wait, which one? The the the
net worth Oh, wow, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
A lot of people watch that video.
Um
then
so, workbooks around 10k every month. Uh
paid partnerships
uh 30k a month.
Wow. Wait, what what kind of paid
partnerships do you do?
So, like companies that we work with
like product placements in my videos.
What companies?
Audible, Skillshare,
uh
We got We got to talk about this
afterwards because I'm not doing
anywhere close to that. Wow. Maybe I'm
getting Yeah. Yeah, so we got to do
that.
sponsorships
Sponsorships. Um yes, some of them are
on Instagram, but YouTube is a bigger
chunk. Um workbooks. Um last month it
was around 9K.
What else? Well, language of salary. I
don't want to disclose it.
That's fair.
Uh
What else do we have? Oh, courses.
Last month I made around 30K
on courses.
That's good. That's really good. I I was
adding it up in my head. It's almost
100,000 a month.
80K was
About.
Yeah, about.
Wow. So, that's it There's your title
right there. Yeah, okay. So, how do you
say hit the like button?
Um, nazh mite ya.
Nazh mite ya. Wait.
Na?
Nazh mite ya.
Na like.
Nazh mite ya. Na like.
Nice.