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The podcast features a deep dive into the work ethic of A-list celebrity Matthew McConaughey, who emphasizes that one's greatest competitor is often oneself rather than external rivals. He shares his lifelong journey with sports like swimming and gymnastics, which instilled in him an unshakeable belief system where "can't" was forbidden as a four-letter word, replaced by the mantra that inability simply means unwillingness to push harder. McConaughey explains how approaching physical training allows one to access mental strength more effectively than direct confrontation with difficult thoughts; by proving to oneself through bodily improvement that change is possible, individuals gain the energy needed to tackle seemingly insurmountable goals like acting in Hollywood. This philosophy extends to his competitive nature, which he reframes not as a negative trait but as a vital tool for growth and respect for others who push boundaries, arguing that staying within comfort zones prevents humanity from achieving breakthroughs such as medical advancements or space exploration. McConaughey discusses the critical role of mental toughness in accessing one's full potential, referencing David Goggins' story to illustrate how humans often operate at only 40% capacity before tapping into a hidden reserve when pushed beyond perceived limits. He describes this phenomenon as "another gear" kicking in after sustained effort and discipline, where magic happens because the brain realizes capabilities far exceed initial expectations. To maintain this drive despite past successes like box office hits or franchise roles, he refuses to get comfortable with mediocrity, constantly seeking new challenges that scare him rather than settling for safety. He advises against becoming too objective about how others perceive one's work early in a process; instead, creators should focus on the subjective experience of doing their best until completion, only stepping back later to review results without letting external validation dictate their self-worth or happiness. A significant portion of the conversation addresses navigating relationships with people who hold counter-intentions, such as parents wanting children to pursue different careers than they desire. McConaughey suggests that while it is easy to cut ties with professional detractors, dealing with loved ones requires artful communication and setting boundaries without antagonizing them. He recounts how his father initially opposed him dropping out of high school for acting but eventually relented once he saw the financial success and dedication behind Matthew's choices. The lesson drawn here is that one must own their destiny rather than living up to others' expectations, even if it means taking risks like homeschooling or pursuing a dream against parental advice. He warns against staying in "limbo" by tiptoeing around decisions due to fear of judgment, urging listeners to commit fully to a path and dive in because hesitation leads to missed opportunities over years. The dialogue also explores the concept of delayed gratification versus immediate pleasure, using McConaughey's habit of preparing coffee for his wife as a metaphor for investing in one's future self rather than seeking "battery-powered" green lights from unethical shortcuts like lying or cheating. He argues that true freedom comes with responsibility and building a lineage through hard work, noting that we remember what we earn more vividly than gifts given freely. While he acknowledges the value of occasional hedonism for celebration, he stresses distinguishing between selfish choices that serve long-term well-being and those that create future burdens requiring constant vigilance. Ultimately, McConaughey concludes that life is a continuous process without a final "tada" moment; we are always achieving our way toward the unachievable, finding joy in the daily grind of building resilience and character rather than waiting for a destination where perfection or enlightenment finally arrives.
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A lot of the times, my biggest
competitor is my mind. It's our biggest
competitor is really ourselves.
Cynicism is always going to try to get
you.
And it's your job to navigate around
that cynicism. How? Because they're like
nipping dogs at your feet.
They're not important.
There's another gear that kicks in where
when you push yourself beyond what you
think is capable, you suddenly realize
how capable you are and you're able to
just keep pushing and cranking and
something magic happens. It's like
almost like in your brain something
happens that just takes you to another
level of what you thought was even
possible for you. Sometimes it's not
even about what choice we make. Just
make a choice and commit to it and go
and dive in. Because we can look up and
days, weeks, months, years can go by and
you can go
I've been tiptoeing around here not
committing to anything for so damn long.
I'm missing out.
I started swimming at the age of three.
Um it was kind of just a convenient
babysitter putting me into sports, you
know, while my parents both worked and
worked long hours. So then after school
program, going swimming or gymnastics or
basketball or whatever sport it was in
the season
really became um
it was it was my
babysitter, but then it became my way of
life and my great passion for so many
reasons.
Um
and
uh
I you know, it's to me it's like
being a part of sports is like the air
you breathe or the water you drink. It's
I couldn't live without it. It it
informed who I am in so many ways and I
love that you started the conversation
with this because
I feel like sports gives you
a type of work ethic that you carry into
your life. And especially for young
girls because
we're so objectified and trivialized
that you realize when you're working in
team sports what your body is actually
made for. And
um
and you have to train your body and you
have to work your body hard and you have
to mind over matter, get into that part
later, but also as young girls working
together for a common goal and
supporting one another in their
strengths and picking each other up. You
learn how to support other women.
And so um there are so many things. Um
you learn how to persevere um through
all types of adversity, through pain and
through what losses. You know, I've
never seen a loss as um a negative
because it's such an opportunity to
grow. Um and I know this is a very
long-winded answer to your question, but
um
without sports as a young person,
um
without
um the ability to learn myself again
physically and mentally, I don't I would
definitely be a different person than I
am today.
Yeah, that that I completely understand.
When you approach the body
to get to the mind, to me that's when
like really interesting things happen.
I've always told people there's two ways
to get to the mind. The mind to me is
ultimately the game that we're playing.
You can go directly to the mind, which I
would say works for very, very few
people.
Another way to get to the mind is
through the body. So, whether that's
um learning that you can get stronger,
learning that you can get faster, that
you can improve your skill set, it it
becomes much easier to believe that
change is possible, um which gives you
the energy that you need to push when
something gets difficult. Like, "Oh,
I've seen this with the body, and now if
I can believe that the mind works in the
same way, um then I can tackle a pursuit
like you've done with acting, which I I
have to imagine people would rank as one
of the sort of most impossible to to get
into. It just seems so insurmountable,
the odds of coming from, you know, a
trailer park in Bellingham, Washington,
to having a star on the Hollywood Walk
of Fame. I mean, it's like it's the
classic story.
What I'd love to know is when does your
mom begin whispering in your ear this
notion that you can become what you
want. It's just going to be really hard.
Is that as soon as you started swimming?
Was it later? Like when does that become
a thing?
It was as early as I can remember.
Um
I think my mom First of all, I know the
best gift you can give a child is to
tell them they can do anything they want
as long as they work hard enough. It
gives you that gift of believing in
yourself.
Um
and
I
I don't even remember at what age she
told me. I It was just kind of a common
mantra.
Um and
it was really can't was the bad
four-letter word in our house.
And I love that. And it was also I
remember my gymnastics coach, we had a
big sign on our wall in big block level
letters up on the wall that said
can't means won't and won't means
push-ups.
And so kind of from all all areas, from
my home life to
my sport life, it was
the common mantra. And I just tried to
carry that into my
I do carry it into my life all the time
now. And instead of saying I can't,
I try and find a way to persevere. And
And a lot of the times my biggest
competitor is my mind. It's our biggest
competitor is really ourselves.
And, um,
I'm I'm competitive because I'm a Leo
and I I like a challenge. Um, but really
I think overcoming that obstacle of your
mind is the number one thing to tackle
in in in pursuing your dreams and your
goals.
One thing I'm very curious, I actually
don't know how you're going to answer
this. So, I've I've heard that you're
very competitive, um,
and not just with yourself, with other
people. What do you think about that? Do
you think it's important or maybe useful
to be competitive with others as well or
do you think, "No, no, no, you should
keep it entirely aimed at yourself?"
Well, one thing I'd like to say is that
I think for a long time people use the
word competitive as a negative,
especially when it was,
um,
you know, towards a a female. Um, it was
if men were competitive, was deemed a
good attribute and characteristic, and
for women it was kind of a negative. And
I was told my whole life, "Well, you're
really competitive." And I took it
poorly because clearly it was, I think,
meant as that. Until I started realizing
what a great
thing. It means that I'm always trying
to improve myself.
And
even if that's not what that person
meant, I feel like when I look back, for
instance,
when I was swimming or that one kid in
school or two kids or three kids or 10
kids
um, that were better at something than
you, it's so important to try and work
towards pushing yourself. It gave you
something to work towards. And so, I was
constantly observing what they were
doing that made them able to be faster
or, um,
whatever it was it that what that I was
trying to achieve. And that is so
important to, um, um, to to see it, um,
to respect it, and to work towards it.
Um, I always go to that. When I was
training for Million Dollar Baby, I was
thinking of that
the runner who finally broke the
4-minute mile, and
I remember
thinking that after he was able to do
that, how many people did it just
shortly after. It's because they saw
someone do something that was deemed no
longer impossible, and they said, "I can
do it." And so, that is super important
to be competitive with other people,
because they're the ones that push us
out of our comfort zone that we didn't
even know we were living in.
Hillary, I agree with that so
aggressively, and yet it I I have said
things like that in the past, and it
gets a pretty controversial response.
Like, people, um, they don't like the
idea of competing with other people, but
like you, I feel exactly the same that
I'm I'm not wishing them bad. I don't
think less of myself if I can't win. I
want to play against the best of the
best, and see like how good this can be,
and fall in love with the process of
like pushing myself. And like just how
far can I take this? And to me, that
exhilaration of allowing yourself to be
competitive, to really try to win, um,
in an honorable way, in in an exciting
way, in in in a way that fills arenas
with people that want to see that level
of like human performance.
That to me is like the juice of how far
you can push the human animal. Exactly.
And if you think about it from that
aspect, it's about respect. It's about
respecting the person that is doing
something that you want to achieve.
That's beautiful. And that's what makes
the world better. Because if we all
stayed in that comfort zone and said,
"Oh, let's not compete with each other
to be a better at whatever it is,"
then no one would ever grow, and no one
would
find vaccines that help save lives, or
go to missions to Mars or whatever it
may be. And that to me is the most
inspiring about human beings are the
people who are constantly breaking
through the status quo. They blow all of
our minds. Like you said, they fill
arenas. And I think the negative
naysayers are really probably just a
little bit jealous, and they're not
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I believe that because of
my family's commitment to the purity of
of the arts, we we always
we just didn't ever want to be caught
not being professional and not being
good at what we were doing, ever. That
was more of a shame to our group as a
family unit than it was anything else.
Even in fooling around, improvising at
home, or creating humorous sketch or
skits, and you know, you you you either
own that idea or you don't, and uh we
just had to. That was our survival
mechanism was to be as good as we could
at what we were doing, you know.
Or don't do it. There's a side to you
though that I it's going to be hard to
put into words, but I'm going to try,
and then I will get to a question at the
end of this, so bear with me.
Sure. Go ahead.
So, seeing you on Oprah,
I've seen enough Oprah to to get a sense
of like where she is with you, and she
was so effusive with how much she loved
you and just felt like there was
something special and she had a
connection to you. Countless actors have
said very similar things that that you
lift the set up, that that you have this
playfulness, this spirit about you. Um
dude, 40 plus years in the industry,
I literally expect you to be cynical.
And so the fact that you aren't,
I don't buy as accidental. So I'm
curious like what you've done, how
you've stayed. You've had ups, you've
had downs in your life outside of this.
You've had loss, like heartbreaking
loss.
And yet literally sitting across from
you, where I like to think you couldn't
fake me out,
I can feel the like
you actually love what you do. And and I
I mean that in a big way. You the way
you were you were kind. When you were
changing the lighting, you were [ __ ]
up like holding signs and saying like is
this working? It's not like you were
just telling other people to do it. Like
there is a
you're you're involved in your own life.
I don't I don't have better for you.
there's a joy of creating and that's
free.
Whether you write or play music or act,
you know, that's free. The joy and you
can splurge on that joy.
Uh everybody can. You just have to give
yourself permission. It's like Wizard of
Oz, you know, you click your heels. You
always can go home or you can always
create something. You know, if we were
if it was just the two of us and you
know, we finished talking and I said,
you know, let's draw some pictures, man,
or let's you know, let's make a little
movie or you know, we could find
something to do that might heighten the
uh awareness of being alive. Um
cynicism is always going to try to get
you.
And it's your job to navigate around
that cynicism. How? Because they're like
nipping dogs at your feet.
They're not important. Cynicism is
valueless
in my book. I have no time for it. I
will be patient with it to a degree. And
then I have no patience for it.
And I would love for you to have
actually witnessed me on phones trying
to make something happen and eliminate
all the naysayers on the phone. Let's
say seven Well, you know this from being
in business. Seven people are on the on
the phone and three of them are lawyers,
and two of them are managers, and three
of them are agents, and I can like
radar, who are the people
that are not for this?
And
and I detect it.
Whatever the person's name is, could you
please remove yourself from this phone
conversation because if you stay on,
we're not going to make this deal.
You get down to the people that want the
show to go on the road, you got a deal.
You have to get rid of the people who
don't want to play the same game as you
do.
Dude, go go harder on that. So, one of
the number one questions I get asked is,
okay, so in in sort of my space,
whatever that is, you hear a lot that
you're the average of the five people
you spend the most time with. Okay, so
you say that enough, which I actually
really believe, I also think it extends
to ideas, but you get people saying,
okay, but there's people in my life,
they're not lucky enough that it's an
attorney or in a manager or somebody,
it's their mom, it's their cousin, it's
whatever, their boss, their manager, and
they have that person in their life, and
they can't just get rid of them. Do you
have methods for dealing with them?
handle them. And you have to go if you
love
brother, or sister, mother, father,
friend, a business associate, whatever
degree you are committed to them, and
you don't want to uh do that, they're
different than just a professional
person that's assumed a
a being that's in your group, then it's
easy to eliminate if they're not wanting
you to survive. But if you have people
that you deeply love, and you can't feel
comfortable about that, you find a way,
and it's artful. You have to find a way
of handling each of them, so everybody
goes away
feeling happy and not antagonized about
your displeasure with them.
So, you know, I could make up examples,
but you know, if you have someone who,
you know, let's say I'm creating this
idea, but some parent that doesn't want
their kid to play the violin,
okay, and they're antagonistic, you
know, you've got to be an accountant.
You've got to be an accountant.
You go, "Okay, Dad,
I love you, but
if I become an accountant, I'm becoming
what you want me to be,
and I have a good chance at having
a not so happy life." Let me ask you a
question. Do you know the difference
between someone who crushes big goals in
their life year in and year out and
someone who can't seem to get ahead?
What is up, my friends? Tom Bilyeu here.
In my opinion, there are seven
strategies that you must use in order to
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overachiever does everything they can
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Even if I fail at being a violinist, at
least I failed on my own terms, and I
failed doing something I loved. So, you
got to let up on me, Dad, or brother, or
sister, or whatever that character is
that has a counter-intention to you. You
have to
get with them and get real and say,
"Look, it's my life. It's not your life,
and this is how I need to do it." You
see? So, there's ways of handling, you
know, I gave The first example I gave
you was a high-end example because
you're trying to close a deal. Mhm.
But, there's many examples whether
someone wants to be a baseball player,
but their parents want them to be a
football player. It doesn't even matter
if it's of the wrong sport.
You see? It's not your sport. Mhm. You
know? And I've watched people do this my
whole life. I've watched them
you know, you're Wow, you got to be a
professional uh football player for 6
months.
Why didn't that work out?
Well, cuz I never liked I wanted to be a
baseball player. Well, what
what happened? They said, "Well, my dad
wanted me to become a football player,
and I was really going on his wishes."
So, then you go, "Mhm."
So, if you had to redo history, you'd
say,
"Would I have told Dad at that time,
look, you know, you I'm just enjoying
this more than that. Can you let up on
me?" So, there's any all these
interesting increments of
how you give yourself permission and
navigate around people that are counter
your intentions.
You know, and then sometimes it doesn't
matter. Sometimes you go, "I don't
really care which way I do this or
that." And you acquiesce to just keeping
peace and and good good roads
goodwill and and it doesn't matter so
much. Other times it matters a lot. Cuz
it's your personal destiny.
Speaking of people being contrary to
your wishes, was anybody weird about you
dropping out of high school to pursue
acting? Uh only my dad for a minute. And
then when he saw that I could make a
living at it, he let it go like a hot
potato. All he cared about was that I
could survive in life. And he wasn't
sure without a diploma that I could. And
I was saying
in my mind I was saying, "I'm not a
scholar. So, therefore, I'm going to do
luggage handling at LaGuardia or I'm
going to become a what I do best, act,
sing, and dance."
So, Dad, let me get I'm I'm 16. I'm
chomping at the bit. Let me out of the
stable. My mother, she had no problem
with it. She said, "Let him go. Thank
God he's got a target he what he wants
to achieve. He's already got a manager
and agent. Let him go." You know, and
finally, I made a deal with him and I
said, "Well,
again, keeping the peace, I said, "What
if I just took the year off and and
possibly even did home school so I
didn't miss any, you know, credit." He
said, "Good." That lasted about a month,
you know, I would send in my
assignments,
you know, and then I started to make
money and then he started to see how
well I could do.
Uh so, he was more, you know, he's
pretty six kids,
working class,
he wanted to make sure I was going to be
okay.
So, his was much more pragmatic. Mine
was much more, "No, I want to put my
bets on my abilities that you guys have
let me so beautifully have
and nurtured since I was born, you know?
You know, my parents would sit there,
you know, in those days everybody
smoked. He had a cigar, my mother had a
cigarette, glass of wine, and they would
watch me for 3 hours, lip-sync records,
and improvise, and imitate people, and
whatever. And they would look, "He's
something, isn't he, Bo? You know, he I
I look at I Can you believe how They
made me feel like I was God's gift to
the arts."
So, it's like really, Dad, you you
encouraged all this love of my
performing, and now I want to do it. He
just wanted me to be protected by a
diploma.
I don't know how much that diploma was
going to protect me,
you know, when you're auditioning for a
Terrence Malick Right.
You seem to have done okay without it.
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Talk to me about the power of doing the
work, of work ethic. Why does it matter?
It does. It You know, it's interesting.
It sometimes it happens without it, but
I don't think it sustains without it. Um
and what I learned is
you know, it's like even with um
Shazam. Like I decided
2 years prior that I wanted to be a
superhero. I was like, I want to be a
superhero. I want that to happen. So,
I'm just going to start training for it.
And so, I started training, I started
learning Taekwondo, I started learning
um
Capoeira, and I just started training
with the trainer like five, sometimes
six days a week for like 2 years
straight. And then it just happened, you
know? And it was interesting because I
fully expected it to happen, but I think
sometimes we are more comfortable
hoping and praying than than when it
actually happens.
Um and so, I just learned very early
that
for the things that I'm wanting and
believing, I just have to do everything
possible that's within my power. And
there's some things that aren't within
my power, and that's where I trust God.
But what is it within my power? It's
rather it's getting the proper sleep,
rather it's learning your lines, rather
it's researching the character, rather
it's watching movies for reference,
rather it's picking up a subject matter
as a person to study, or
um working out, or eating healthy, or
you know, whatever it is that you need
that's going to make you better at what
you want to do. It's doing every single
bit of that that you can possibly do and
and going above, you know, not just
doing just enough to get by, but going
above. And um and then after that, it's
like if it's supposed to happen, it will
happen. And chances are if you do the
work, it likely will happen. Talk to me
about going above. This is an area for
me that I think is where all the juice
happens.
Yeah. People either do enough, as you
say, or they really go above and beyond.
And the way that I explain it to people
is your job, whatever you're trying to
be great at, your job is to leave other
people in awe. And nothing else will do,
because that's the nature of the human
animal. The only thing that they're
um going to remember is something that
really hits them and really leaves them
with that moment of like, "Whoa!" Yeah.
How has that served you, and how do you
get to that level?
Um
mental toughness.
As my my trainer, Mike T, would say, you
know, when we we first started working
out for the first year he would always
say there's going to be a point in time
where that mental toughness kicks in and
I didn't know what he meant. And what it
meant was when you've done everything
that you can do and you really have put
in the work, there's another gear that
kicks in where
when you push yourself beyond what you
think is capable, you suddenly realize
how capable you are and you're able to
just keep pushing and cranking and
something magic happens. It's like
almost like in your brain something
happens that just takes you to another
level of what you thought was even
possible for you. Um rather it's
physically, emotionally, spiritually,
whatever it is, there's another gear
that we can tap into when we push
ourselves more than we think we can. Um
and I don't mean push yourself and make
yourself get hurt, but I mean just like,
you know, pushing past um
pushing past everything, pushing past
your fears, pushing past what you think
you're capable of, pushing past
um what people say you can do.
And I do think that is where the magic
happens and and I think that's when you
feel your strongest and you begin to
start to uncover um that there's more
there than you even realize. Um and
that's just the start. That's just when
you start to uncover, you know. Do you
know David Goggins?
No.
Oh my god, I think you would love him to
death. So he when he was born he said he
believed that he was the weakest man God
ever created.
Wow. And he was abused just the abuse
was crazy.
Wow. And he grew up as the um only
African-American in a neighborhood
entirely of white people and they were
like
uh like 20 miles or something from one
of the uh major um chapters of the KKK.
So he grows up there spray painting
horrific stuff on his car, on his
binders, everything and just realizes
nobody's coming to save me. And he says
one day he just decided he was going to
become the toughest man alive. And so he
ends up doing the most ridiculous
training ever. He goes through He's only
person to make it through four different
elite special ops training. So, he does
Delta Force. Wow. Um he does SEAL
training. He does Buds um Hell Week
three times, gets through it twice. Just
crazy. They're Air Force Rangers and
just like transforms himself body and
mind. And he said, "In all of that, in
being pushed like that well past his
comfort zone like you're talking about,
he clicks into that point where he
realizes exactly what you were saying,
that you're capable of so much more than
you think." And so, he said, "When
you're like broken you can't go another
step." He said, "You're only 40% of the
way to your actual capacity."
Right. Right.
like that always gave me the chills. And
it's just that most people don't end up
ever
pushing themselves like that. So, how do
you get yourself psyched enough? Cuz to
tap into that zone that you're talking
about, like your body, your mind is
screaming, "Stop.
Yeah.
Go in the opposite direction." So, how
do you get yourself there? Well, first
of all, that just inspired me to go even
further.
Um to me, it's just um
that there's got to be more, you know?
And I don't I don't know how I
necessarily tap into it. It's just I
start to feel
that when my mind and my body is
screaming, if I push just a little bit
further, and then when I push further, I
realize that I can push just a little
bit further, and I just keep going as
far as I can. And once I know that I can
get to this level, the next opportunity
I have, I start pushing past that next
level. And um
I don't know. I guess it's
I don't want things to be the same. I
want to continue to go to the next
level. I don't ever want to get
comfortable and say, "This is good. This
is enough." I want to be um satisfied
and thankful with this is good and this
is enough, but I don't want to get
comfortable in the sense of like, I know
that I can access more. And I again, I
want to access everything that there is
for me to get until there's nothing
left, you know?
Dude, I love that so much. Like that is
the driving force in my life is to be at
the same time to be like I love my life.
I'm way grateful, but it's me versus me.
And I want to see like how much more can
I do? So when people ask me like what's
the purpose of life? For me the answer
is very simple. How much of my potential
can I turn into actual skills? Like how
much of this can I ring out where I'm
I'm now able to do something today that
I wasn't able to do yesterday because I
was very disciplined and I came and I
showed up every day and I pushed myself
and I got to the point where I didn't
think I could give any more and I pushed
a little more and then the next time I
come back and I'm like, "Hey, remember
where you were and you didn't think you
could do any more and now you did a bit
more." Yeah. And that like continual
push of something about that I really
respond to people that have that hunger.
Um and my question to all of them
is how do you stay hungry when you've
been as successful as you've been? I
mean you're your credits alone, if all
you do is look at what you've done in
the entertainment industry which truly
is only a part of what you've done, but
even if I just look at that, it's
already insane. You could rest and say,
"Well, I've done it. I've had number one
box office hits. I've acted with some of
the biggest names on the planet." It's
like you're a part of franchises that
are going to be remembered. So it's like
how do you stay hungry?
I feel like I'm just starting.
I don't know. Something about it I just
feel
I feel like I've been doing it forever
and I feel like I'm just getting started
and I don't know
why I feel that way. I just am excited
about what's next and I don't think but
I do think there is truth to like you
know, we often think well, if I just
accomplish this this that and the other
then you know, that'll be good and then
you get there and I think everybody
pretty much always realizes is that once
you get there you're like, "Oh man.
Okay, well, if I just accomplish this
this this this that then I'll feel you
know." And I think that um sometimes
it's an endless cycle in a negative way
for some people um because they think
once they accomplish those things
they'll be happy and then sometimes it's
a positive cycle for people because it's
just about continuing to elevate. Um
for me, I don't know. I just feel like
there's so much I want to do that I
haven't done yet. Um and there's so many
um
so many different things to tap into
that I haven't even begun to scratch the
surface.
Part of it
is don't
worry. Don't give a damn about the
aware. Don't get objective. Don't hop
out of yourself and say, "How am I being
received?" Early.
The best work I've done, and I am very
aware of that, but then the best work
I've done in my career is when my head's
down in the process and it is completely
a subjective experience, and I don't
give a damn what you think about it or
what anyone else thinks about it. And I
sure as hell don't give a damn about the
result because I'm in it. And I'm so in
it that the last day of shooting
they yell, "Wrap." And I go, "Okay, I'll
see y'all tomorrow morning for the
tomorrow's work." And they go, "No. It
It's over. Like we finished film
shooting. Wrap. There is no tomorrow."
Then I'm like become objective for the
first time. So
in many ways, and I think especially
today, not just in in acting a career,
but in all of our careers, athletes, uh
everything is with so much
room to be objective, what do we on our
phone? There's a jumbotron, immediate
response when we put something out.
We may be becoming too objective or
measuring too aware, giving too much
credence to awareness of oh, how am I
perceived?
You know, kids these days, it's what
they put out,
how it's received. If it's got enough
thumbs up, they have a good day. If it's
got enough thumbs down, they have a bad
day. So their entire our being and our
attitude and how we feel about ourselves
is more reliant We're letting it be more
reliant on what other people think about
us today than ever before.
I say leaning to the subjective, I don't
give a damn about what anyone else
thinks. I'm done it but but I'm going to
chase down and do what's truest to me.
And then it's time to pop out sometimes
and read your reviews or
have a look at the jumbotron or watch
that watch that performance on playback.
It's okay but but but if you're thinking
about the result or thinking of in the
third person too early, I don't believe
you do near as good or true of a job
in the first person subjectively that
you could do. Why do you pursue things
that scare you? Why seek the role that's
hard? Because it cost me something.
Cuz it cost.
It comes with a price. It's It's a bit
of that line. Don't pick a fight can't
It's not really a fight unless you can
lose it. It's not really you know, don't
It's not really a risk unless you can
lose the fight.
I feel more alive in them. I have an
experience in the making of them. I'm
nervous every day I come to work.
I feel like when I nail a day and I
knock it and I know I did, I feel like
yes. I get I I have a measure at the end
of the day of like you set out to do
something. You prepared for it. You had
intention and you did it. And maybe even
became found some magic in the day. That
I sleep good knowing that I accomplished
that day in
building the architecture of a
character's arc through a story. And
then if I could put the whole thing
together and it comes out the whole one
old performance turns out to be a
beautiful song, an original song of that
character,
then I'm like yes. And I know that I was
highly responsible for that. I was not
solely responsible, but the most
responsible for that. And that gives me
pleasure.
That gives me gratification. That makes
me feel gives me significance. That
gives me confidence.
If I don't pull it off
and I do have a day where I'm like
no you didn't, McConaughey." And it was
my fault. I still I would rather with
these kind of roles, I can look in the
mirror and go, "So, guess who's
responsible not pulling it off?"
You, McConaughey. In the same way when I
go, "Guess who's responsible for pulling
it off?" I like knowing who. You. And
and and and and it was also again work
that challenged the vitality of my life.
Drama dramatic roles allow you the actor
to have as high of a ceiling or as low
of a basement from love to hate, from
happiness to pain as that particular
actor wants to bring to it.
That's what's inherently beautiful about
dramas. Okay, you're the part. You're
playing the role. How does How would How
is Are you going to emulate that person
through yourself? Um that is a vital
thing. That I feel that makes me sweat.
That makes me sleep better at the end of
the day. That gives me a sense of
accomplishment. I'm like, "Yes, I did
what I intended to do. I prepared for
it. Was ready." Oh, the day didn't go
how I thought it was going to go, but I
I called audibles along the way and
rolled and still told the truth on my
man, the character. That gratification
feels good. I mean, you said you
actually seriously considered going back
and teaching fourth grade or becoming a
high school football coach. And so
when people think about Matthew
McConaughey, "Oh, yeah, I remember he
used to act, but now he's a fourth grade
teacher." It
for you to step into that space and be
like I I didn't need to leave that space
because I was okay being the high school
teacher or the fourth grade teacher. I
didn't need to leave, you know, the
wrestling match because I was okay
losing the wrestling match. It's just
like accepting those challenges is why
you've survived for so long in a
business that eats people up faster than
the NFL.
Well,
how many times do we think is our first
thought?
Oh, well, if I did that, if I became the
fourth grade teacher, that would be a
demotion or a demotive move in my life.
No, it wouldn't have been.
It would not have been.
I'm I'm I didn't have to do it now in
hindsight, but that would not have been
a demotion.
I would have
found certain value
that was going to fill my soul in that
role in that role
that I was not finding doing the work I
was doing in in Hollywood. So,
it would not have been a demotion. It
may have been perceived as one,
but
I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
I I I I I I I I I I I I
you know, that
lose a job and then get another one, but
won't take it cuz it's less salary than
maybe the one they had before.
And all of a sudden find themselves 3,
4, 5, 6, 7, 8 years, a decade later
going, "They're still stuck. They they
didn't do anything. They're still saying
like, 'No, I'm going to find that
thing.'" And I'm going like, "You missed
a decade, man."
Just go do that one that that you love
to do that maybe was going to pay you
less because you would at least been
building something through the day. And
who knows what that would have led to?
Maybe that would have led to something
where you're getting paid five times
more than you were
doing something else you love even more.
Uh so, a lot of times I say this in the
in in the book. Sometimes it's not even
about what choice we make. Just make a
choice and commit to it and go and dive
in because we can look up. Limbo sucks.
We're all in limbo now with COVID. Limbo
sucks, but sometimes you just go, "I I I
don't know what to do. I'm just going to
do this one. And I'm just going to do
it. And if I do this to the best of my
ability, sometimes that lends Somebody
sees us do that." And they come up and
they go, "You're actually more
qualified. You're overqualified for this
job. You should be doing that." And
you're like, "Yeah, that's what I really
like to do." They'll see it. But put
ourself in a position, right? Because
you can look up and days, weeks, months,
years can go by and you can go,
"I've been tiptoeing around here not
committing to anything for so damn long,
I'm missing out."
What's up, everybody? Tom Bilyeu here.
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Yeah, you talk about us being in limbo
right now, and I know your obsession is
values, values in your own life, values
to pass on to your kids, values for us
as a society
um to take away. And you gave a
commencement speech at your alma mater
that I thought was awesome. And it felt
a bit like a dry run for the book, cuz
so many of the themes carry into Green
Lights. Yeah.
But man, really, really truly, first of
all, the book is amazing, and I I really
mean that. The commencement speech was
amazing. Some of the the values that you
talked on, um I think are so powerful,
especially right now.
Uh the world isn't fair, it's never
going to be. Life isn't easy, don't want
it to be, which I thought was really
interesting. You're going to have to
earn your way forward, and that we
should want it that way. Um what are
some values, whether those or others,
that you think people um um
will get more out of their own life if
they embrace?
That there's a responsibility
to freedom and that there is freedom in
responsibility.
You know, and that earn your way there.
We remember the stuff we earn, the stuff
we experience more than what the teacher
tells us or what someone gives us for
free.
We just do. We broke a proverbial sweat
on it, whether it's mental or physical
or whatever. We we we we built it. We We
understand. We felt how we got it, how
we achieved it, how we got what we
wanted.
Those stick with us. Whether we forget
them intellectually, they were written
in our lineage and they build resilience
and they and and and they build
a healthy, true optimism going forward
to know that oh no, I've I've I've
worked for something before and achieved
it. Delayed gratification.
Oh, there are choices I can make today
for myself that will pay me back later
in life. Mailbox money, as we call it in
the entertainment industry. Um R O I.
There are specific personal choices we
can make and they're worth considering.
Look, I'm all for hedonism. I'm all for
immediate gratification, too. Sometimes
it's like, yes, dude, it's Halloween.
Eat all the candy you want. Go for it.
It's not going to become a habit
day-to-day. There's certain nights where
you're like, hey guys, tonight we're
going to blow it out. The walls are
padded and we got nothing We're off work
on Monday. Let's go, you know? I mean,
certain times say that's okay. But
there's, you know,
where is the selfish
choice, the the self-flesh choice? Where
is what we want actually what we need?
Where is what we need actually what we
want? Where is the best choice for me,
the best choice for we? Where's the best
choice for we, the best choice for me?
That's the place, I believe, the hunt
talk about honey holes. That's the real
place to go forward in trying to find
um tee ourselves up for those green
lights in the future. And all the and I
the simple things. Let me bring it down
to a really simple one.
You drink coffee?
I do.
Do you
prepare your coffee, put it in the
filter, and pour the water in the coffee
maker the night before?
Not for myself, but ironically I do for
my wife.
Because you're teeing her up for what?
A green light the next morning. Correct.
She doesn't come in and go, "Where's
that filter?" She can just come in and
go,
press the button. You're giving her a
gift to her future self. You're making
something easier for her. It's a very
simple thing, but it's a great little
simple metaphor. So, there are choices
we make. If you're going to say right
now, "I'm going to lie, cheat, and steal
to get what I want, and I got it."
I got an immediate green light
for me.
That's a battery-powered green light.
That's not a solar-powered green light.
Why?
Because now
everywhere I go, I got to look over my
shoulder to see if someone's there that
I lied, cheated, and stole from. And
while I'm doing that, I'm stealing whose
time? My time.
Now I'm not freedom. I'm not free. I
don't have the freedom. I didn't create
freedom in my future because I chose to
be a make an irresponsible act that
I left crumbs.
I've now got reasons to look over my
shoulder. And the more things we do to
create in our in our future that we got
to look over our shoulder, the more of
our most precious thing we have in our
lives, time, that we're stealing from
ourselves. So, it's not puritanical.
It's just like it's actually
self-serving. It's a very selfish
choice.
Um
and and I'm a fan of the word selfish.
I've read it help redefine it. Um but I
believe that there are selfish choices
we can make that are the most selfless.
That there are selfless choices that we
can make that are the most selfish
choices. Those two are not a
contradiction, and we see them that way.
Um responsibility of freedom and the
freedom in responsibility. Life's more
than just straight Saturdays with as
much cake as you want to eat. Just is.
You will see how long you last doing
that. If you really do it, you won't
last that long.
Um, there there we we we responsibility
is is appreciation of a past. It's
building of a lineage. It's investing in
ourselves. It's investing in something
we started to build yesterday that we
want to take into tomorrow.
There's a response That gives us
freedom.
So, to actually have true freedom, we
have to take certain we have to be
responsible more responsible for certain
things for ourselves, who we are.
Constantly investigating, interrogating
our better selves. To say, "I'm going to
be a little bit better at this
tomorrow." Knowing that we never land.
We never We never There's no There's no
tada moment. And that is one thing I
think we all got to watch cuz we all are
so result-oriented.
Oh, if I keep doing this, I'm going to
get to that place of pure enlightenment.
I'm going to go, "Tada!"
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No, you don't. Can it be the small
ascension of evolution?
Yes.
But there's no tada moment. We're always
chasing yet. And if we can get
comfortable and understand and laugh at
the and and and be ready to work hard
the fact that
we're all just If we could just say,
"We're all just achieving our way to the
unachievable." And that's as good as it
gets. And that's pretty damn awesome.
That's the honey hole.
It's the third time I've said that in
this talk, but I love that word.