The Untold Pain of Being a Professional Boxer - Ryan Garcia

I'm fascinated by you saying that you don't think when you're in the ring. >> What's happening? >> I'm just picking up on cues really. Um, and then kind of like there's these instincts and intuition that are just kind of there, you know, like oh maybe like you kind of get a feeling where okay, I need to start putting pressure on this man or I need to, you know, uh, move a little bit. It's just like kind of momentum shifts that you're kind of noticing a little by little. And then um >> there's obviously times where I'm thinking like sometimes I'll just have like mantras in my head like that I've done in camp, you know, stay focused. Like my last fight the whole time when I was fighting him, I would just say like stay focused, stay focused, stay focused, you know. So it was just like little things that I would say in my mind, but I'm not really necessarily thinking. >> Not thinking, but thinking, but yeah, of course. Does that mean when you look back on a fight, how much of it can you remember the pivotable moments like um like my last fight? Uh I remember I started getting comfortable in like the 11th round just messing with the guy, smacking him, looking at the trainer and then lowering my hand a little bit and then you know tasting a right hand and I was like don't do that and then kind of like stepping myself back in. So I remember those moments. I remember, you know, when I dropped them, but I mean, for the most part, I I have to like look back at the fight to really recall most of it. >> Isn't that strange? >> It is weird. >> It's so strange. So, I'm friends with musicians, comedians, sports people, and I do live stuff, too. These conversations, once you get into a flow state and you're not thinking that much and things are just happening, >> that's what people want to get to. It's really enjoyable. It's where your performance is at its best. You're moving quickly. Your brain isn't getting in the way of what you're supposed to do. >> Yeah. >> But it's also the thing that kind of robs you of your memory because you're not thinking and you're just doing Yeah. You're you can't remember. It's so funny. I mean, obviously >> your job is not to have a good time. >> Your job is to win. And winning requires you to be in the best state possible. >> But it is funny that the >> mental state that humans perform best in is also the one that they can remember the least. So, I wonder how many people that are elite performers, comedians, artists, musicians, sports stars, look back on their career and they go, I'm glad that it was videoed, dude, cuz I'm I kind of wasn't really there for it all that much. >> Yeah. I mean it is an interesting but then also you have like guys like um I guess I don't know if it's like necessary a sport but you know chess guys like uh Magnus Carlson and just like all those top chess players they could memorize games from you know when they were like five and you're like oh [ __ ] like you know where's that come from >> that's a different kind of sport maybe >> it is I mean you have to use your brain there. >> Yeah. Yeah. But I I wonder even if in that you go, okay, you know what the movements were, but can you tell me what you were thinking, how you were feeling, what you were wearing. Can you tell me where people were sat? Can you tell me what what emotions were coming up? Maybe not. >> They're just optimized for one very specific thing, which is what are the exact movements on the chessboard? >> Right. Right. It's funny, >> too. Yeah, it is funny. >> Yeah. >> Well, I all I know is uh I like to win. [laughter] >> That's all I You know, I mean, the joy comes after the fight, right? >> Well, you've got a job to do. You're a professional. Yeah, >> I think I like the idea of people treating their pursuits as a professional, even people that aren't doing it in that way. >> Like, you know, you're uh I like the the journey of understanding like how much levels there actually is to anything, right? Like >> say construction or something that's their profession, but like there's levels to it. people that could construct like these huge buildings and people are constructing, you know, a little table. But there's also levels to building a table. Some people make a better table than others. Why is that? You know, that's that's cool in itself. So, I find that uh the fun part of my job is just like, damn, there's so much more. Even when you think like, you know, I'm a world champion, but I know there's just >> even more levels to it. So, you know, so I just love that that part of it. I didn't know that you started at 7 years old and got homeschooled so that you could spend more time boxing. >> Around like 15, that's when 16 I got homeschooled. >> Do you ever resent or regret missing out on a more normal childhood, your teenage years, teenage experience stuff? >> Do I regret it? No. But I I do think it would have helped me if I went through that, you know, stuff earlier in life. I wouldn't have got into some stupid [ __ ] later on. You know what I mean? Because I would already had experienced a little bit of it, you know? >> It's kind of like a It helped me get to where I was at, but then I didn't have experience with uh with things that came with, you know, money, fame, and all those other things. >> You want to make teenage mistakes when you're a teenager, not when you're in your 20s. >> Exactly. Exactly. 100%. That's part of where I'm like, ah, maybe that could have helped me a little bit. But >> strange the sacrifices that you've got to make in order to get to where you want to be. >> Yeah. like that. Yeah. I mean, everything in life, the greatest thing that came uh in this world came through a sacrifice, right? I mean, I believe in Jesus. So, that to me shows that if you want anything in life, it has to require sacrifice in some way. I don't know, you know, for other people. Obviously, it's different, but for me, it was my childhood. It was um it was many hours of training as a little kid, running non-stop, you know, having to go to a bunch of tournaments and just kind of just my whole life was just all boxing. >> What was a typical week like for you as a kid? >> Uh just my dad would, you know, have me train uh the whole week and then fight on the weekends. So that's >> 200 and something amateur fights. >> 225 amateur fights. Yeah. So, there's a lot of uh road trips, a lot of uh a lot of gym sessions, and a lot of road work. >> Yeah. But to me, it was fun. Like, I loved it. Going to the tournaments and hanging out, excuse me, hanging out with all the kids. Uh, you know, to me, that was like the moment I had a little bit of childhood and, you know, fun >> was just those. Yeah, exactly. The community of the sport. So, that was fun. But yes, everything requires sacrifice. Everything. >> I think a lot of young guys did some sort of sport. I did. I was dedicated to cricket which is the >> nice some may some may say the elevated form of baseball. Uh but yeah uh it's kind of British pastime and that was my entire life from the age of 10 until the age of 18. I would play sometimes five or six matches a week plus training plus school games and I'd get pulled out of school to then have to go and play. And then the only reason I went to university is because I thought that I was going to be able to play full-time when I went there. And >> that that like dedication teaches you an awful lot, but you do look back and go, I wonder what I missed. But if it set you up for the rest of life, there's very few guys that I know that have ended up with a a really great work ethic in later life that didn't have something that they dedicated themselves to as a kid, even if it was acade academia. Some people just dedicated themselves to school. They wanted to become really good at this thing. >> That seems like >> extremely hard, but I have seen so many people really dedicate themselves to school, and I'm like, dang, how'd you do that? [laughter] >> That wasn't your vibe. >> Oh, no. I mean, I was into math for a little bit and uh you know, that was probably the only thing I excelled in, but other than that, I was kind of like not my thing. Your dad wanted to be a boxer, right? My dad was uh a boxer for a little bit, like an amateur fighter. >> It was my uncle that was kind of more uh I guess uh you know, I guess better. >> Um he was uh he he went to the nationals. He was the only one in my family that went to the nationals at that time and uh he lost but he said you know somebody in our family is going to come back here and uh you know he always he always oh I guess this is what he told me he said that you know he would always look for when a kid was born like all right this is going to be the one and then he said none of the all the kids came and you know he was like nope nope nope and then he said when I was born he was like all right that's the one that's insane I know I know it doesn't [ __ ] sound True. But that's ex that's what he said. Hey, maybe he's just feeling [ __ ] in my head so I could think, you know, chosen and prepare like, you know, propel me to be like, "Yeah, I'm I was always that guy." >> Yeah. Exactly. But that's what he said. >> It's a good story. >> Yeah. >> So, does it does it ever feel like pressure to have, you know, the weight of a a dad's maybe unfulfilled career and then partly fulfilled career. All of this riding on your shoulders. Not only that, but all of the other kids that came and went. It's like, "It's not you. It's not you. It's not you." It's like the Hunger Games inside of a single family. [laughter] >> Yeah. I mean, uh, I still feel pressure, you know, but I think that's why part like partly I dedicated this last fight to my dad for the like, you know, my first world title. I really wanted just to win that for him. My whole reasoning for boxing just evolved over time. I always, you know, I was in love with the game, but then it kind of evolved to more uh spiritual journey of, you know, where I feel uh I've been guided to and however that is, you know, a lot of it is because of boxing, you know what I mean? Uh and I don't know what the reasoning is, but I just like to follow that. So, ever since I was little, I felt like um little nudges here or there, you know what I mean? And I kind of trusted that and always wanted to understand what that is. and why every time I followed it, good things happen. You know what I mean? Even if I don't get it then. So, that's kind of where I'm at of why I box. That's like actually the only reason why I box is just cuz it's always that's what's in me right now. Maybe it'll take me somewhere else later, but right now it's like this where I'm at. >> There's something pulling you toward it. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, but you know, I'm happy I won the championship. >> Yeah. >> I'll take it. >> Of [laughter] course. >> Exactly. So, um, but yeah, I think this was my dad's I mean, it's my it's everything for my dad. He's so happy. He's excited. And my uncle's probably, you know, he's super thrilled. >> So, it's cool. It's it really is uh amazing to see how much joy that brings brings him. >> You know, for me, I just I just think, okay, just continue to stay focused, you know, don't get too high and don't get too low. Just stay >> stay stoic and just uh keep your >> You seem very regulated today. You know, regulated, chill, you know, just in nice bit of peace. >> Yeah. >> I've seen you with varying levels of energy. >> Oh, I've had that many times. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. You don't want to get me started. >> Yeah. Yeah. But still, but you know, it's okay, man. I told you I had to learn a lot. >> So, what have you learned recently? Been a tumultuous few years for you, >> right? I I feel like what I've really learned is your body is uh literally a temple and what you put in it is uh just as important as what you put out. You know what I mean? So, um just that journey of understanding how my body works and what can uh propel it to be at its best. Cuz usually, you know, when I was younger, man, I could have put obviously anything in my body. And >> you're made of rubber and magic. you can bounce back from just like thinking I'm unstoppable, but God will humble you real quick. >> And God or your liver or your brain. >> Yeah. Oh man, it comes in many ways. So, um yeah, I just just didn't like that certain things were taking me so much like, you know, off course that much. And [clears throat] uh it took a uh >> it took a while for me to really be like, all right, you're not Superman. You just gota, you know, you are Superman when you put the right things in you, right? >> But you could go down just as quick. >> Yeah. Well, everyone's got their kryptonite, right? Superman. >> Yeah, exactly. You know, you put the wrong oil in the car. I don't care if you have a Ferrari, if you, you know, it's not going to go. >> You said, uh, I'm surprised I'm here right now. >> Yeah. >> In the past. >> Yeah. >> What was there a specific moment when you realized that you'd gone too far or did it just creep up over time? Uh, I think that when when when you can no longer, you know, get a hold of yourself and and see the decisions you're making that that aren't good and you can't see that anymore. I think that you've probably a little too far. >> You know, there's times where I was moving so fast that, you know, it just didn't seem like anything I was doing was wrong, but it was. >> What's that mean? I just felt like I just felt like even though I'm not a prideful person, it was displaying as pride to myself, you know, now looking back like, "No, that that means it was just being prideful." You know what I mean? Like like it just didn't it didn't hit me at the time. But, you know, I lost track of of of myself and who I really am. And then that's when I knew I was like, "Oh [ __ ] >> this is not this is not good." You know? And that's why I was surprised like, damn, I'm I'm still here. You know what I mean? >> Like, >> dude, you had one of the roughest runs of form like kid custody problem, mom diagnosed with cancer, divorce, >> all basically at the exact same time. >> Yeah. >> How does a person even process all that much at once? >> Uh, I didn't. I just kind of shoved it down with alcohol and uh just acting out, trying to self-destruct anyway. So, I'm like, "All right, everything's going bad. Let's sink the whole [ __ ] Let's >> make it worse." >> Yeah. Let's just make it all worse, you know? >> And uh I just, you know, I had just knocked out a man and beat him so bad while self-destructing that I was, "All right, >> I could do whatever. >> I can do this." >> Yeah, I can do this. And >> that's where the humbling came. No, you can't. >> You know, and uh >> yeah, that was a very rough stretch. And it's something I try not to look back too much cuz it's like ah damn >> not so proud of that. >> It's hard now. I'm not. >> But um >> well I think uh a crash out was coming sooner or later anyways. You know what I mean? So >> kind of glad it happened uh a little earlier. >> If uh if Haney beaten you that night, do you think the spiral would have been worse or actually might have just saved you earlier? >> I have no [laughter] idea. >> Isn't that funny to think about? >> I know. It's so weird because I should have lost. I know. >> There's no way. There's no way that could ever be replicated. And that's what when these young boxers were trying to do that, I'm like, "No, man. I'm sorry. >> It's a high-risisk strategy. >> It's not the right one. Don't do it." Um, and to this day, I still don't know how I did it to be honest cuz I would >> What do you remember of that period? Like that that fight buildup and then then that day. And >> it's so weird cuz like when you're drinking all the time, the the timelines become so mashed up sometimes. I think it's the other training camp I was in like in Dallas. So, it's so weird. But I remember uh I remember that I was feared fueled with so much anger. That's what it was. I was so angry at the world and at people and how they seen me as a fighter and how they see me as a person. How even when I wasn't sword on sort crashing out, they still judged me like harshly on everything I do. But other people there's no judgment. And so it's like, dang, I feel like I'm getting targeted with the, you know, with the ruling stick. And then I just crashed out and I was like, all right, you guys want to see a piece of [ __ ] I'll show you a real piece of [ __ ] >> I'll drink, I'll smoke, and I'll and I'll, you know, talk so much [ __ ] And I [clears throat] was just so angry. I was angry at the boxing community because they never gave me my credit. You know, I've been fighting since I was seven. And I was looked at as some just bum that's going to just get his ass whooped by this guy. Even though I beat him three times in the amateurs, it's not like, you know, and I was a 15 time national champ. So, I just felt really disrespected by people and just life. I was like, "All right, [clears throat] I'm going to give them what they want. >> They want a bad dude, I'll give you a bad dude." And uh like I said, I let them change me for a time. >> I let them break me and become a person that I'm not. And uh I was just filled with anger and I wanted to hurt him bad. That's all I was thinking in my head. I like when I came with the shirt murder on my mind, I was dead serious. I wanted to murder that man in the ring. But he also wanted to murder me. He said it. He said it. He actually was the first one to say it. He was like uh he's like, "We're going to we're going to this is the death of Ryan Garcia." And then I I just snapped when he said that. I was like, "Oh, you want to go death? All right, let's go." So yeah, that I just remember that time as I was filled with anger and nothing was going to stop me. I didn't care. I f I got in fights with my trainer, my dad, everybody. I was just angry. Everyone's getting it. >> In sparring like they were screaming and I was like, I don't care. Let's keep going. Like I was just filled with anger at that moment. And uh anger and emotion. I would cry a lot, too. I was crying just so mad about what people were calling me crazy and things like that, you know, and then, you know, a lot of the stuff I was talking about, okay, yes, a little bit was played into conspiracy and all that, but when it came to like the children and, you know, children sex trafficking, I was dead serious about that. Like that was been on my mind since I seen uh I mean, I've always known about this kind of stuff. It's kind of always floated around, but then when it's like in your face and then now like now that everybody sees it, it's kind of different. But back then it's like if it's a billion dollar industry, like where's all the money coming from? You know what I mean? And it was kind of that thing that I felt like there wasn't enough said and that there's so many other movements that people get behind, but like kids like we can't all come together and be like, "Hey, should probably look into this." It really did upset me and I was already angry so all that together just kind of one big you know boom and then yeah um but I don't really regret that part you know uh I brought awareness to it even though it came out of something ugly in my you know how I you know displayed it but a lot of people started looking into it and they're oh [ __ ] it's actually kind of true >> and now that I teamed up with like Tim Tibo on his foundation and we're actually making real steps. Um, I'm happy. When were you first exposed to that stuff? And uh, it's weird, man. So, again, might not be believable, but I was like in 2021 after I defeated Luke Campbell, I had a weird vision. I don't know how, but like I seen like it was like some image playing in my mind and I just kind of followed it. I don't know why, but it was like a a beast or some animal coming out of a sea and then I seen like uh pretty much a bridge and I and in my mind I was like, "Okay, San Francisco." And then like it just showed like people in the woods and then it showed people doing weird things and conjuring up weird things and doing weird things to like >> Were you dreaming or were you awake? >> No, I was awake. >> I swear it was so weird. just an image playing in my brain >> and uh I looked into like is there things in the woods in San Francisco and it's like Bohemium Grove and I was like oh [ __ ] like that was a weird thing to see and then I look it up and there's actually people that come into the woods that's like a strange coincidence so I looked into it and uh yeah then that's when you seen Alex Jones talking about it and uh all these conspiracy things but then actually was real they do meet up in the woods and They sacrifice. I mean, it's fake, right? It's ephri, but >> sacrifice something to an owl or whatever. So, >> part of it is a little freaky that these politicians and people do meet in the woods. But we'll get back to talking in just one second. 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And then there's other stories that I hear and it sounds I can't think of a better word like cursed >> like like almost uh forbidden. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> You go okay that's something else. And the Bohemian Grove story whether how much of it's true or not is one of those ones where I've just wanted to lean back a little bit further when I'm listening to it. I think I really don't like this. I really, really, really don't like this. Not too sure why. >> I feel that, too. >> At times you're just like, "Oh, >> and it's like, is it all just a distraction?" Like, do we even need to be paying attention to this? You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> Like, how much is it even relevant to to like, can we make a difference if even if they are doing something crazy wrong, you know? Well, that's how I think of it sometimes. the certainly what seems to be happening at the moment if you were to think about how little disclosure there was about this sort of stuff 15 to 20 years ago >> compared with now and let's say let's say that there is some nasty stuff going on behind the scenes with people that are in power. >> Yeah. >> For the last 200 years up until 20 years ago you had a pretty clean run. Deny control the media uh do it in different sorts of ways. have people killed off or or pay people off or do whatever. That's not as easy to do because everyone's got democratized access to just, hey, I saw this thing and this is really [ __ ] weird and here's some evidence and everybody else can go that is [ __ ] weird. That is some evidence and it's >> if I was a person in power that was doing loads of gnarly [ __ ] for the last 50 years, I'd be like, "Okay, we need to change our tactics. this can't we can't do this anymore because things are going to appear. People are going to be able to do research and tie little bits of red string together and realize what this thing's connected to this. >> Oh, for sure. And uh you see the you see how now there's so much access with phones and so much access to like anybody could make a video about anything. >> It's just so crazy now. Yeah. And I think that I mean look it you hear talks now they want to disclose all the UFO uh knowledge. It's like a lot of knowledge is like all right you guys can have it now. Like but >> we can't we can't keep it >> we can't keep it together. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well I mean dude look at the uh look at the the Trump assassin assassination attempt three. >> Number three. >> Yeah. Exactly. The three Pete. Um >> and then everybody dying too. All the scientists. Like >> that's >> Is that real? Uh there's definitely NASA scientists that are dying. I don't know what they're working on. I mean, give it a week and a half. I'm sure Rogan's going to have someone on that'll explain it all. So, I'll just wait. I'll wait for the I'll wait for the Rogan episode to come out. But, I was thinking about the videos that came out of the correspondence, you know, where Trump's getting rushed off stage and stuff. >> Every single different angle of that that you need, someone's got to I saw this I don't know whether you've seen these two. So there's one where everybody's being rushed out of the room and there's some old boy looks like he's maybe in his 70s or 80s just sat in the corner just finishing his food. Doesn't give a single [ __ ] And then there's another one of some lady uh nicely dressed lady and everyone's being rushed out of the room and she gets up to sort of go away from her table and before she leaves she goes leans back over and grabs a bottle of champagne. She's like I must take the champagne with me before I leave. I was like >> just to have that composition. Homeboy is finishing his chowder and she's I I'll take the ver Cleico with me before I leave. That's going to be important for me later on. It's like fair enough, man. But we've got every single angle. We've got the angle of the people still eating their food. We've got this. So if you're trying to do some secret [ __ ] like eventually somebody's going to uncover it. I mean, do you see the guy that snuck onto Epstein's island recently? That was insane. >> The vlog. >> He got on a a jet ski, got on there, there was a drone above. Unreal. >> That was crazy. I did see that. That That's insane. And it's insane that they release it and then take it back. >> Yep. Yeah. >> That's insane, too. >> You said um you said for a good while that you were angry. >> Yeah. >> Does anger help you as a boxer? >> Not necessarily, but you do need an edge. You need some type of grit. And I don't know if that could come through anger or just motivation, but you need something that is uh fueling you. But uh I wouldn't say like [clears throat] rage is not good. Maybe a little anger can be good but rage blinds you and then you make mistakes and just you know are not focused but you need some type of like all right [ __ ] >> Sharpness. >> Yeah. Yeah. A little a little bit of like Yeah. A tad bit anger but more of a aggression. That's that's the word I'm looking for. You need aggression a little bit. Yeah. >> What happens if you turn anger into aggression? Sorry. If you turn aggression into anger and into rage, what do you lose? Cuz for most people who don't fight >> or fight at the level that you do, they might look from the outside and see two people that are trying to hurt each other and think, well, hurt is fueled by rage and anger and aggression. >> Yeah. >> But it seems like you must lose something as you move down that line toward sort of greater levels of extreme >> extreme aggression. Yeah. >> So, what do you lose? Well, what you lose is um that that uh consciousness of a punch might come back. You know what I mean? Like when you're focused and a little bit angry, you could still, you know, you could still read a punch. You could still, you know, counter react. When you get angry and like that it's overtaken you, then you've lose sight of what could come back to you. >> It's like when you get too raged up and you want to push somebody, you didn't see that, you know, there's a car about to pass by. You just pushed them into a car. You wouldn't necessarily wanted to kill him, but your anger, rage >> pushed you and you didn't even see the car coming. So, >> it's kind of like that >> narrows everything down. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Too much, you know, >> and then now you don't see what's coming at you on the other side, you know? Oh, man. Boom. Crap. >> It's interesting because you see, I don't know the >> Do you know Nikki Rod? Do you know who he is? Nikki Rodriguez. He's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu guy. Um, I went to CJI, the Craig Jones Invitational a year and a half ago. We sponsored it with New Tonic. Nice. >> And um it was uh single two-way categories and the guys just worked up on a uh bracket style event all the way up to the final. And in between each round, most of the fighters were going back to a coach. They're talking uh tactics. They're getting hydration. They're doing whatever. Nikki just decided to sit in full lotus like with his hands like this, like a samurai with his eyes closed. And then they'd ring the bell and need to stand back up and go again. So, you've kind of got this. It was kind of a bit of a lot, but it was [ __ ] sick. It looked sick to see Nicki Rod's a beast. But >> did he win? >> Yeah. And he won a million dollars in one day. So, it's pretty Oh, in one weekend. Sorry. >> That's nice. >> Um >> to see that on one side, you think this is the almost like that samurai energy, very, very, very calm. But it seems like you're saying that there is edge, an edge comes with aggression that's still important. And to completely let go of that, you're actually losing something there, too. That there's a middle ground that's good for you to say. >> Yeah. I think just like uh if you have uh you know a tad bit of that it just gives you um it keeps you it keeps you I guess in the fight like into it you know I say like if you kind of get too you know too calm and too like >> peaceful >> too peaceful then then it's just you lost that bit of you that you No, I'm I'm a killer. I have a killer instinct. So, it's kind of you lose the killer instinct in you. >> You do want to hurt this person. >> Yeah. Yeah, of course. You're in a fight. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And he's hitting you. [laughter] >> It would be nice to try and hurt him. >> Yeah, it would be nice. And uh yeah, I I just I know for me it helps a little bit, you know. >> What's happening with Connor? Talk to me. >> Yeah, that's uh that that is being worked on. you know, me and my team, uh, we're we're trying to, you know, finalize it and make it happen, stuff like that. I I really want, but there's also other options, you know, so if it doesn't get done, you know, we're also looking at Roly Romero and other, you know, opponents that that we can fight. U, but that fight would love to make happen. I I I want that one bad. He's been a little too long. Uh he actually came and confronted me at an event while I was with my wife and it was just crazy >> recently about a year and a half ago and uh I still remember that it's like bro we're all in suits calm down what are you doing like be professional buddy this is like it reminded me of the movie South Paul you know when uh he gets confronted and then she ends up getting shot like bro you need to chill u but yeah I I would love to make that happen but it's not done yet. What do you make of him as a fighter? I think he's a good fighter. Uh he's too aggressive. [laughter] A little too aggressive. How so? Uh he's a little reckless in the ring. Um but I do think that he has a lot of tenacity and he makes for a good fight and an entertaining fight every time he steps in the ring. >> But uh yeah, I will show him that uh there's definitely levels to this. And uh yeah, >> is he number one? Uh, so he's my mandatory, >> right? >> So, uh, >> y >> there's so many [ __ ] politics and so much red tape in boxing that the number one >> contender and the number one title holder >> somehow can't make a fight work, >> right? >> Easily. >> Yeah. I mean, that's what that's how it goes, man. >> Dude, boxing is so [ __ ] complex. >> It's so complex. Yeah, it is. >> Does do the politics get frustrating? >> It get frustrating for me as a fan. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean >> like this guy should fight that guy because it's the coolest >> number one in the world champ. We should do it, you know. I'm like I said, I'm all up for it. It's just there's some things that need to be figured out, but I'm all for it. I I'm sure he's all for it >> and uh I'm sure it's going to happen. I'm pretty positive. What you make of the Zuffa deal? >> Uh that's uh it's a little weird. >> I don't know. I don't know exactly what kind of changes they're trying to make to the Ali Act to benefit Zufa or I don't know what they're trying to do. And I'm not saying I'm against ZU Zofa at all. I just want to give it time before I even like want to acknowledge it too much cuz I don't know if it's going to make us not get paid as much. I don't know if it's going to make the sport better. >> So, I kind of wanted to sit back and watch what kind of unfolds there. >> It is a funny sport from the outside to look at at boxing. And I think what's particularly interesting is to see it when compared with uh other organizations, especially the UFC, but also stuff like One Championship, like even BKFC. Well, there seems to be so much I tell you a story. So, I did a couple of degrees in the UK and I went to what's called a Russell Group University, which is kind of like um Ivy League, similar to the equivalent of an Ivy League in in the US. So these are very long established old universities and each time that I graduated there's graduation ceremony and everyone's parents come and you wear your silly robes and stuff and you get your little certificate. I remember being there and watching this parade come in and it was five, 10, 15 people who were all the different the dean of the university and the vice chancellor and one of them had a mace like a medieval weapon >> uh but like a symbolic version of a medieval but an actual medieval weapon. They all had to doth their caps to different people in different orders. I remember looking at it and going, "This is what happens when you have a country that's not been invaded for a thousand years, right? Like when you have properly invaded, like it's just one culture that's been able to accumulate loads and loads of >> weird traditions." Yeah. >> And then the second time, which was a mast's, was even more weird. There was more people, weirder outfits, more stuff going on. Like a academic bohemian grove, >> right? Some type of ritual. And um when I look at boxing and the world of boxing, I do see some of that. It's such a established sport that there are I mean >> the first 5 minutes of any press conference or the start of any fight is this weird land acknowledgement. We must say thank you to the person from this thing and this thing and that other thing and this person's father and I've got a [ __ ] athletes foot and I could do with a back rub and you know it's g >> and now we can start to talk and then you look at something which is newer which doesn't have quite so much of the baggage that's come along with it and you look at something like a one championship or you look at a UFC you think huh >> from an audience standpoint this is a slicker experience it's quicker right you get from the thing that people don't want which is the [ __ ] and the credits >> to the movie starting. I just want the movie to start. >> And uh I kind of feel the same thing when I hear about we couldn't make the fight work. Like how many uh I guess Mayweather Pacquiao were getting that to be run back. So that's kind of hilarious. But >> that almost didn't happen. That was supposed to happen >> five 10 times. Should have happened when they were younger. Should have happened when they were in their prime. Should have happened. Should have happened. >> Couldn't make it work. Couldn't make it work. Couldn't make it work. You think how like why why why can't there be a way? But it's because there's all of these different territories basically different countries inside of a single sport who are all competing for dominance and one person's got this and one person's got another >> and it's the wild wild west. >> You think? >> Yeah, it is. Everybody's >> like yes there's like like you said it's very established and has a rich history and you know the major players are the major players but everyone's pretty much it's it's a free-for-all. Everybody's out for themselves and it's like hopefully the business makes sense that two entities just come together. All right, let's do it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, you know, a bit of it is is kind of fun because like everybody gets a chance to make something huge happen. 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So, they hide behind the promoter and say, "Oh, >> we couldn't make the deal work when secretly I just didn't want to step in the ring. >> I just didn't even want to step in the ring." So, a lot of it that I do think that boxing could become a little bit more uh slicker and sleek like you said with the, you know, UFC like we could cut out a lot of the [ __ ] You know, there's new ways to to promote a fight than the standard, [laughter] you know. I mean, but I feel like boxing, like a lot of people were trying to say it was dead and stuff, but I mean, we've been doing just fine, you know what I mean, financially wise. So, I mean, it must be making some type of money cuz a lot of these boxers are getting paid pretty well. But >> shoot. Uh, I'm all up for change, but as long as it makes sense. >> As long as it's like, all right, we're evolving in the right direction and not like I don't want it to become the UFC. That's what I'm saying. Like, Zufa is cool, but like it looks too much like the UFC that I'm like, uh, not my vibe. And then you can't wear your own shorts. Like, bro, you're >> sponsored money is going to go away. >> Yeah. You won't get that out of me yet. you know, you gonna have to I don't know what you would have to pay me, but [laughter] I just I like the style of boxing. I like, you know, shorts. I like the walkouts. I like the the grand entrances that you could do. You know, UFC is just the guy walking down. Like, >> I like the whole spectacle. I like the entertainment part of it. You know, it's fun. And if they took that away, I'm just going to be >> there's a difference between getting rid of the [ __ ] but keeping the heritage and respecting the tradition, right? You don't need to get rid of everything, but we can all say >> there could be some fat cut off for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But don't don't lose what makes boxing boxing. >> What is the Ali Act? What are the changes? I haven't I don't know this. I I don't know exactly what changes, but I know that I don't know if it's Dana White or I know Nick Khan spoke at the Congress and Oscar did for Oscar on the side of not changing anything >> and then Nick was trying to change things. That's kind of what I got out of it. And then um something about how um it helps everything be transparent. I know the Ali act like they have to show the numbers and >> it's a financial decision. >> Exactly. And then I guess I don't know if they're trying to change it where we don't get to be disclosed the numbers. >> I can't I don't want to speak for it because I I don't really necessarily know. >> Interesting. >> But that was Oscar's point. Oscar's point was this was made to protect the fighters and make sure that everything's just transparent. >> But who knows? Talking of the money thing, a couple years ago you said that Jake Paul's not a real boxer. >> Yeah. >> Has that changed after his Joshua fight? >> No, he's definitely a real boxer for sure. Um, he has balls, man. I mean, the fact that he fought Anthony Joshua is pretty [ __ ] insane. Uh, knowing that he's not even a heavyweight. So, no, he's earned he definitely earned respect. Um, but I think uh it did humble him just a little bit. Like >> getting your jaw shot, it'll typically humble somebody. >> Yeah. I mean, a broken jaw would probably be like, "All right, maybe I should shut my mouth cuz I can't even move it." [laughter] You know what I mean? >> But dude, I mean, the people who saw that happen and also saw his response, like, say what you want, dude. That was a [ __ ] elite response to having your jaw cracked by a guy who's >> What did he say it >> when he was on the ground? Oh, he's >> he was like, "Whoa, that was hard." [laughter] >> I [ __ ] bet it was, dude. >> That is [ __ ] funny. Nah, Jake's always been that type of dude, man. He He doesn't miss a moment, for sure. >> Yeah. You remember when >> he's hyper aware of that? That, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. Wait, it's kind of like the first assassination attempt for Trump >> where immediately he's like, >> I mean, I I have just been shot a little bit, but this is a great opportunity. The same like I think I might have broken my jaw and I'm definitely knocked down, but this is a great opportunity for me. >> Right. Right. This is probably a, you know, a clip farm >> moment. Yeah. Yeah. That that awareness is, but I uh I mean, he's got that deal now with Netflix. Uh so money >> with his own promotion. That's pretty sick. >> As somebody who's not a boxer, >> Yeah. >> right to come in and do it. >> You got to give credit. You know, at the time obviously people and myself included were just I was just annoyed how he would always talk [ __ ] about me. So, you know, I found my ways to talk [ __ ] you know. >> But, uh, we've always been cool here and there, and I think, uh, now I think we're we're on a better page now. >> It's interesting, right? Cuz >> so many people, especially with boxing, I'm not sure whether what would be an example of a sport that people could do when they could start as an adult. Maybe something like distance running, endurance racing, triathlons. Um, most skill-based sport. You're not going to start tennis at 20 and become a legitimate professional tennis player. That would be very hard. I think Deontay Wilder started boxing relatively late. >> Yeah, he's one of the few. Bernard Hopkins, Sergio Martinez, uh those are the ones that come to the top of my head. >> Realistically though, it's a sport that you start as a baby kid. >> Floyd Mayweather started at three. >> Yeah. At Tiger Woods with golf at two. >> Two. Yeah. And he actually was hitting the ball. >> Good. It's better than better than both of us combined. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I think that there's a there's a kind of appropriate gatekeeping that happens where it's like you don't get to speedrun this with cloud that this is a sport that you have to earn your stripes in. It's to do with being hurt. And that means that and everybody knows that there's ways to piece fights together with [ __ ] and red tape and weight classes and experience that allow you to have a wonderful record without actually having done anything that's that impressive. for sure. >> All of that together allows you to create the illusion of being good at it >> without not I I don't know whether the same thing is true for winning a triathlon >> that while you're going to get the entire field of other people to not be that good even that your pace is compared with somebody else's >> as opposed to in boxing it's just are you better than that guy and now are you better than the next guy and are you better than the guy >> and the crazy thing is a lot of the casual people can't tell the difference they can't they don't know if Jake Paul is not a world champion or is he or is he world champion level? They they can't they could only see him beating Anderson Silva. >> Mhm. >> Who's not a fighter like he's not a boxer but he's a UFC champ. So all they see is Jake Paul's beating these >> fighters >> fighters that are names. You know what I mean? He beat Nate Diaz. So it's like >> it was a little frustrating cuz Jake was good at writing that and making it seem like he was like Muhammad Ali and like with troll like that. But like you said, boxing is one of those things that like you have to be in the game for a long time and that sacrifice is like only boxers truly know like [ __ ] we had you have to go through a lot to even get to that moment. You know, >> there's also a level of skill I think that you access from doing it for so long. I mean, you were saying before that you're doing a couple of hours of pad work a week and the rest of it's just I want to feel good. >> Yeah. because those rhythm grooves, those movement patterns would, you know, you you could get like Alzheimer's, dementia, everything. You could get set on fire and the thing that would be left in your brain would be how to dodge a Yeah, exactly. You'd still be that would be the last thing that would go, right? >> Um just because it's been done for so long, you know, more than pretty much anything else. And the question I always had in my mind with Jake was how much can someone speedun learning skills that usually the time that you need just like the literal like eras of duration that you need >> Yeah. >> is longer. Yeah. I mean the thing is you know people I don't know cuz they didn't care that he lost to Tommy Fury and Tommy Fury is not even good. You know what I mean? obviously no sorry for taking a shot but like he's not like high level at all. So people ignored the fact so I don't think you know he was speedrunning the the fact that he was having these huge events >> that were like can he pay the number you know that people don't even dream of and they you know work your whole life. So, I think that upset a lot of people. I think that's where it was. >> Well, people want to sell tickets, right? You talk about pay-per-view, gate, numbers, rah. There's two ways to get there. One of them is to be really, really good. So good that people want to watch you. And the other is to just have another way to make people want to watch you. It's like, what's that thing like, love me or hate me, you're going to buy it? >> Exactly. Yeah. And I watched all Jake Paul. I ain't going to lie. You know what I mean? >> How many people have come to boxing because of that? >> Yeah. You, you know, we don't know. But we do know that people like to watch them, you know, and that's just the facts of it. And uh, you know, if it was making boxing, you know, bigger in a way, I'm all for it. I love boxing. So, if good came from it, I'm all for it. What you make of the Mayweather Pacquiao fight? >> Uh, it's ridiculous. It's truly ridiculous. I mean, I don't really want to see that. You know, there the first fight was kind of boring. the second fight should be even more boring. You know, they're not even close to their prime. Um, it's kind of sad. Like, why do they feel like they need to do that? Like, are they broke? You know, there would only be a like a couple reasons why they would want to do that. Didn't Pacquiao just buy Mayweather's gym and take a photo outside of the >> Yeah. the sign. >> I don't know if that was I think he bought his franchise, right? >> You know, but Pacquiao is essentially royalty. >> Yeah. Oh, Pacquiao. I mean, >> so I I just don't get the sense that he's broke, but >> I don't think Pacquiao's broke. I don't think he can go broke because people love him in Philippines. Like, they'll always take care of him. >> Correct. He's essentially the king. >> Yeah, exactly. Uh, >> exactly. >> Mayweather, I've heard things, but I don't know if he's >> Dude, I've watched a couple of YouTube videos that break down the burn rate that Mayweather's got. And, uh, >> I just I mean, it's really probably his security. I mean to have cuz I had I used to have 24 security for like 3 months and I seen the check I'm like okay no absolutely not. >> How much is three months of 24/7 security for somebody like you? >> I I mean in the six figures cuz it's 247 and I was like bro this is ridiculous. I cuz I I I needed security. I forgot why some [ __ ] was just going down and I was like all right I'll pay for it. But then I'm like I look after the 3 months I'm like no >> I look after myself dude >> and I'm like yeah I'll just never use security [laughter] like I'm cool like if people want to hurt me I I guess why I don't know why they would. I don't wear jewelry. I don't [ __ ] walk around crazy >> on that young LA top. >> Yeah, exactly. So I'm like they want to run up on me. I'm like bro you hitting a little sweetheart. [laughter] I don't have no problem. >> You [clears throat] can take my shoes. >> Yeah. >> But um yeah. So yeah that's that could be a reasoning. I mean, he's taking private play. I know those cost a lot. Um, but then again, like he always talked about investments, so who knows? I really don't know if he's thinking in terms of athletes that have generated money. I think that Mayweather must be up there. >> I mean, with I I don't know who >> they told they said that he made like maybe a billion in his group. >> I don't know whether that's gone to him or whether that's money generated across the board, but whatever it is, it's lots, right? The number is lots. And I suppose, yeah, you're right. There's the worst position to be in is to be somebody who has all of the challenges of fame but not the money to be able to deal with it. So imagine if you needed security, but whatever it was that you were doing that got you loads of attention didn't really pay that well. You'd be like, "Oh, [ __ ] Like I I really could do with being protected from my fame, but my fame didn't make me any money, so I can't pay for the protection." That would really suck. >> That would. But the next thing is like, well, maybe it's just you just get this lifestyle inflation. You I got an assistant, two assistants, three assistants. I got a house, I got a holiday home, Aspen, jet, second jet, car, car fleet, car manager, wealth manager. Where's the [ __ ] money going? Before you know it, you're like, Jesus Christ, this is so big and unwieldy. >> And uh, how do you think about that? How do you think about avoiding getting the the financial thing too messy, the team growing too much, people who don't have your best interests at heart? This aided by the fact it's a family matter. >> I got lucky because I had to learn that lesson early. You know what I mean? I got paid a lot of money when I was like 20. I started getting paid I already made like my first million at like 19 and 20. So, I learned quick how fast money can go and you're just like, "Wow, I had a mill." No, I don't. [laughter] >> I was like, >> I swear I had a million. >> They definitely said that in my account, but now it's gone. Um, yeah, you just realize taxes is a real thing and you're like, ah, god. Like, I can't really be buying all that. You know what I mean? I was like, I bought every car I wanted and then I realized this is stupid. And then then I went through a little gambling type of thing I like to do. And then I was like, "This is even more stupid than the car thing." >> Thing was stupid. Yeah. >> And then you kind of just realize like all of it's pretty dumb. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is a a waste of money and nobody really even cares. And and it's just like it's just like all just like stupid at the end of the day. It's like all material materialistic things that you don't really get anything out of it. I mean, unless you're trying to impress a girl or whatever, that's maybe it. And most girls, like >> the ones that are impressed by that stuff are probably >> are you probably not the ones that you want to be be around. But yeah, I kind of learned all that quick. And then uh and then I just have a good good squad, good good team around me that cares and they don't want me to go broke and I don't want to go broke one day. It's too many stories like that. Mike Tyson ran through 100 mil and and he ran it back in the 90s. So, [ __ ] >> Yeah. What's that worth today? 200 250 something like that. Serious money. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I don't want to end up like that. So, I just kind of I I I just know that I have to be focused and keep my head straight and uh and just try my best to to not make any big financial mistakes anymore. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, you know, in some ways, I suppose learning that lesson go going from lots to not so much. Yeah. On a million, that's a good lesson to learn where you go, >> ow, I I'm not broke, but I'm like back to basically baseline after I had a lot. That's a good lesson to learn on a million. >> It's a worse lesson to learn on 100 million. >> Exactly. >> So, the same way as you said, you know, there was some lessons that I missed in my teenage years that I had to learn in my 20s. Well, there's some lessons people learned in their 40s that you managed to learn in your >> 20ies. That's why I feel blessed. I'm like, dude, I learned a lot of all this [ __ ] like pretty early. Like everything I wanted in life came pretty quick. Like I wanted to be a superstar fighter and it became quick and I wanted this and it came quick. But then you're like, "Oh [ __ ] like I'm actually happy it came quick." Because if it didn't, then like I said, you would learn it 30, 35 years old, 40 and you're just like >> with more money, with bigger problems, >> with less opportunity to make more too. >> Correct. I can't fix it in the same way. >> You can't fix it. So, I truly am blessed. But, you know, you you could always make a mistake. 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You guys do it for a training camp, right? We're going to bring everybody. It's an intense thing. There's no moment unless you want to be alone that you are alone. There's always someone to keep. You know, I did a a tour around Australia, New Zealand, and Bali doing a live show and I realized that I was trying to think about um people that spend time on the road, the ones that are the happiest and have the best mental health and the ones that are the unhappiest. And I think that you have bands who have objectively a pretty shitty lifestyle, tour bus, sleeping in a tiny bunk, even a really, really good band. If you're on a proper tour, you're going from Dallas to San Antonio to Houston back to back to back with shows. You're in a bus, dude. And there's only so nice that a bus can be. And if it's a big band, you're in a bus sleeping on top of each other. Like even good big bands. So, >> uh, but they seem to be pretty happy. And then you think next step down might be comedians. And I think that comedians have a little bit more room. They don't need as much crew with them. But the problem is because you don't have as many crew people with you, you're on your own more. Maybe you got a warm-up, maybe you got a tour manager, but you know, >> the mid-level good quality comedians, most of the ones that I know that are doing gigs around the US, they're like, I get on a flight of my own and you know, maybe I'll fly in business, maybe not. I probably in business or whatever, but I'm not flying private and I'm on my own and I get there and I do my gig and I go back to my hotel and maybe my warm-up's there and we can hang. And then the worst one, DJs. The reason that the worst one is to be a DJ. I used to run nightclubs for ages. DJs have the worst lifestyle. I think one of the worst lifestyles because they are always on their own unless they take a tour manager because you don't get to when you get booked at a nightclub, you don't get to say, "I'm bringing my warm-up with me. >> You don't have a sound guy. You don't have a lighting director. You don't need anyone, right? A band needs the roies and the guitar tech and the drum tech and the the lighting director and the all of this stuff." And the DJ just has two USB sticks >> and it's >> Oh, yeah. True. later at night, loads of drugs around, loads of alcohol around, >> and there's always an afterparty, and you can fit these gigs together back to back to back to back to back. I was like, "Right, okay. So, I'm going to go and do this tour around Australia, New Zealand, Bali. I did North America last year. I'm doing UK, Ireland later this year." I was like, "I don't need really anyone. I probably need one tour manager to make sure the venue is okay." But 10 people came because I'm I want to do what the bands do because they seem to have the best mental health. They seem to enjoy it the most. They're sharing experiences. It goes well. They celebrate. It goes badly. They commiserate. Exactly. And it's the same as being in a a camp. >> Yeah. No, 100%. I have my whole my whole squad pretty much live with me. And uh yeah, honestly that right there, it just keeps things, you know, um it just makes things uh bearable [laughter] to be hon. You're with your boys, at least you can talk to them about things or anything. Hey guys, let's play some video. It could be anything, honestly. You being by yourself just sucks. You know, a lot of people say, "Oh, you you can't be by yourself." They always tell me that. And I'm like, "I don't really want to be by myself." [laughter] Like, I don't know. Like, I'm cool to be by myself, but like like why is that a flex? You know what I mean? It's like I love companionship. I love, you know, my brothers. I love talking to people. I love conversating. I like picking people's brains no matter who they are. You know what I mean? I just like I just love conversation. I love, you know, I love that. Just because you can do it on your own doesn't mean that you should. >> Yeah. >> And uh it's all the intangibles. You maybe it would be quicker or you wouldn't need to compromise as much. It would certainly be [ __ ] cheaper. >> There's lots of different >> advantages you can see that are really obvious. But all of the ad the disadvantages that you would miss are like, well, I'm going to be lonely and I'm going to be in my head and that probably means I'm just going to be scrolling my phone and that's going to [ __ ] suck. And oh, dim scrolling is the worst, bro. If you wake up, start scrolling. I I swear that >> day is ruined. >> Day is ruined. You get it? It's the day is ruined >> before it started. >> Like I need to play my my like my just like meditation type of sounds before I even get close to the phone because oh my god it'll ruin my day >> cuz I'm just like this and I'm like I catch myself like I already told myself >> in bed for an hour. >> What is going on here? What is this phone doing to me? Why do I magnetically want to go and do that >> every time? >> So weird. >> Every time. Uh, I'm interested in what you think about Conor McGregor's trajectory. You're both guys who fight. You're both guys that have partied and that like to party. >> What's your perspective on his journey? >> Uh, it's it's a it's one of those ones that, you know, did he learn too late? You know, you know, obviously we were talking about how like I'm happy that I learned, you know, as you know, younger person. It seems that, you know, I want him to be back though. I want him to be back, but I also know that like, >> how old is he? >> 3 probably five now. Something like that. >> It's a little tougher to rebound, you know? >> Um, but he's one of those people that, you know, he he's a icon to his sport. >> He's just a [ __ ] G, you know what I mean? And I want him to really be like I I want what path he's on to be like I want that to be real like if it's u if it's his path with God and if he's found faith and uh and that's where you know he feel like his his motivation is driving hopefully it's real you know I want it I want whatever he's going to do I want it just to be real. >> I want him to fight. Keeps on talking about a comeback doesn't happen. >> How long is that being going on? >> Three years. four years, right? Or I don't know >> longer. It might it might be you could tell me it's been five years since he fought in. I wouldn't know. Yeah, I can't remember. >> And it's not as if the last few fights have been exactly drenched in glory either. One stoppage like injury stoppage or whatever it was and then Khabib and then I don't know. It's just >> Dustin. >> Yeah. Just >> I don't know. It's just >> It's such a shame, dude. It's such a [ __ ] shame. And the more that I think about it, the more it's just sometimes I think about different versions of the universe where one thing happened or didn't happen. And the the version of the universe where McGregor kind of didn't get lost in the source, >> right? >> Probably there. >> Oh my god. More of those Aldo moments of him just being like a like a samurai Zen master type thing. >> Maybe it happened for for a reason. What if what if he did do that and he was that guy? How much crazier would he? >> Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. And he learns a lesson at 50. >> Right. Right. Exactly. Um >> [ __ ] We'll never know. I I just wish the best for that guy. >> I hope he uh hope he can make uh I want to see him win one more good fight. >> Yes. >> If he just does that, >> I'm cool. Legacy saved. >> A great I think he's got one fight left on his UFC contract and uh >> Yeah, man. I hope it I hope it happens. But after a while, there's a little bit of, you know, all of the bravado. It becomes harder and harder to do the longer since you fought and the older that you get, right? You're able to do this because you've still got bags of career ahead of you if you want to. And you can back up. >> I feel like there should have been an evolution in it. Like you start off this young guy like Connor Bravado talks a lot of [ __ ] Then you become this, you know, legend. and he come this OG and the OG has to be more calm, more stoic, more don't worry, I got this. Like I've done this long enough, watch what I do. You know, with a little bit the opposite happened with a little bit of trash, but then it just kept on going, [laughter] you know, there should be some type of evolution there. >> Well, I guess what actually happened >> cuz like Mayweather stopped kind of being so >> very true. You know, >> that's a good point. But yeah, that is a really really good point. As somebody that was one of the biggest [ __ ] talkers >> and then it >> toward the end of his career was just >> I'm going to beat you and you're not going to beat >> you couldn't you couldn't [ __ ] phase the guy which is pretty >> he already knows the game too much. Like when you know the game too much it's like all right >> talk and whatever. Like he already knows all the entertainment [ __ ] >> He's just there to be Floyd Mayweather. I'mma come. I'm >> We're professional. I mean he had to do a job. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. So I think he missed the evol the evolution. >> Yeah. Yeah, he did. There was a a [ __ ] firmware update like the iOS update didn't come there. That's something that is kind of scary to see. You know, you were talking about aggression, rage, anger, different components of how how a fight is sort of put together. There is something really [ __ ] terrifying about somebody that just sees you as like a job to be dispatched. Like if you were to look, if you were a plumber and you were to look on your day and you said, "I need to replace this toilet at 11:00 a.m." You go, "Okay, you're just the toilet I'm replacing at 11:00 a.m. This is just a standard day in the office for me. Thank you very much. I'll see you on the other side." Like, "I'll see you once the toilet's fitted." That's like, >> "Oh my god, I'm just a [ __ ] task. I'm just a to-do. I'm just on the to-do list for today. I'm not even an event really. I'm just like something that I'm moving through." And when you see that with people, you go like, "Holy [ __ ] that is [clears throat] >> like what am I getting myself into?" Yeah. >> Are you worried or are you conscious around long-term health stuff? We talk a We hear a lot about CTE, about TBI, about brain health. >> Yeah. >> How much does that factor in as a somebody that's been doing this since 7 years old? this talk I imagine when you were the CT talk would have only come in in your teens like to have been really high levels of awareness >> honestly once uh it kind of got big with the football I forgot what year that was that was kind of the year that everybody started questioning like oh [ __ ] like we should probably all start thinking about our health [laughter] but it's it's also like look man I've already accepted whatever happens to me it's Okay. I just try my best to not look into to that type of future, but if it happens, I hope that the people that love me take care of me. That's it. >> You're just happy for that to be a side effect of your chosen career? >> Yeah, because I I try to put all my decisions uh and let it be guided by God. So, if that's just the the nature of what I've chosen to do and what I felt like was the right thing to do, >> that's just what it is. And there's really nothing I could do about it. I mean, boxing >> avoid getting hit would be a good start. >> Oh, yeah. For sure. Um, and I try my best to, you know what I mean? Obviously, I'm still feeling clean. Never broke my nose, thank God. You know what I mean? So, I'm doing pretty good in that in that aspect, but like I said, if it happens, it happens. But I hope not. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A quick aside, most people think that they're dehydrated because they don't drink enough water. Turns out water alone isn't just the problem. It's also what's missing from it. Which is why for the last 5 years I've started every single morning with a cold glass of Element in water. 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Right now, you can get a free sample pack of Element's most popular flavors with your first purchase by going to the link in the description below or heading to drinklnt.com/modernwisdom. That's drinklnt.com/modern wisdom. >> Have you ever noticed anything? Has there been any >> memory loss? No, >> I just feel like I've always had mental health problems. I don't know if it comes from boxing, but you know, a little, you know, anxiety sometimes. Um, a little bit of like bipolarness, but >> I've always kind of been that way. Like I don't know. >> I don't think you get to >> Yeah. >> the level of obsession and focus >> you need without having something in that. You mentioned edge. >> Yeah. >> That edge comes from somewhere. My edge is that I am an obsessive thinker of like situations, positions. All right, I'm here like like I'll study one position in and like where I'm at for like a long period of time cuz I'm like, "All right, I know there's something more here." You know what I mean? And I'll I'll get to that. But it really is it's a lot of just with boxing and God. Like I don't really like to obsess over too many things, but like boxing for some reason I could just like >> think about that moment so many times like, "Okay, that's where it was. Okay, he do that. But that's like I could, you know, if I shift here, boom, I could catch him quick and he might not notice. Like there's just a lot of, you know, with my brain with that. It's just I love it so much that I just want to study that. >> Can you remember a position? Is there one that comes to mind that you spent a long time thinking about that then ended up being an unlock? Is there a particular sequence that you that you spent a good time on? >> Even when I was like young, I remember this. I was sparring this kid and he kept catching me, kept catching me. And I was like, I remember going back home and just thinking about it for like two hours, three hours. Like, why is he catching me with that? And then I I I I had remember I overthought about it so much that I was like, "All right, Dad." Like, I called my dad to the room. I said, "Call him back. Like, I have something for him. Like, let's go." And he goes, "Are you sure?" Like, he was pretty much whooping your ass. like let's just wait a little bit. I was like, "No, call him the next day. I figure something out." And it was a when he would step forward, he would show his jab. So like he would step and then show the jab. So I had caught on to it in my brain when I was replaying it. So I told my dad, "Every time he makes that move, I'm going to cut to the to the right and hit him with a right hand. And I guarantee you he won't stop that cuz he can't stop doing this." So every time he came in and I would catch him. And my dad was like, "How do you figure that in a day?" >> I was like, "I don't know." I just kept thinking about it. Like he kept on catching me with that shot, but there has to be something that like I'm doing wrong or I'm not reading or something. And my dad's all he always thinks about that story. He's like that's all I knew. Like you're different cuz I I could come back the next day and it I'll be a whole different fight. Like I don't know how but I just like the next day like the guy if he thinks he got an edge like bro I'll be thinking about this all day. >> That's why I try to tell my little brother like after swearing you need just think like go in your room and just think think like why did this happen? Why did that happen? Like like what was he doing that was throwing me off? There was a couple instances like that in the ring. It's like hm there has to be something here. You know what I mean? So yeah, I've I've learned so much things in boxing like just the whole aspect of it. It's like it's almost like music notes. I started learning that like like when you're in the ring, it's like boom boom boom boom. And then when something feels off, that means because some note was off. You know what I mean? Like some movement. Okay. Oh, I read that wrong. That's where it was. Okay. Boom. So it's like it really is like a whole level of just like beautifulness. Like I that's why I said I really love boxing. There's so much little things in it that like get me excited. >> It's so fun. Have you been able to do that during any of your fights as a professional or have there been how often are you surprised by that? You say most of the time presumably you're studying tape, you're thinking, you're bringing fighters into the the gym and the camp that replicate the style that you're probably going to face. The whole game is to not be surprised when you get in there. But >> presumably that's what the other guy's doing too, which means that they're trying to come up with something that you don't yet know, which might surprise you, which means that you need to go back and you've got forget two hours in a day. You've got a minute in the corner to be like, >> "Yeah, >> why is that thing happening?" Is have you ever had that happen as a pro? >> No, honestly, I haven't. I it's been more of so like when I'm on point and like when you know I'm in a good mental space, nothing will surprise me because it's like I've already been thinking about like I've been looking at every scenario like the times I've lost um I literally it comes from a place of like self- sabotage and like I wasn't even in the camp. I was just kind of letting the day go by and just kind of like not being there. And I know it probably sounds like an excuse, but that's just what it was. Um, were they the better fighters that night? For sure. And I always give them credit on that. But, you know, me at my best is uh when I'm thinking like this, when I'm paying attention to every day when I'm everything is uh like intentional. Like when I wake up, how I woke up was intentional. >> Not on the phone. >> Not on the phone. I I'm reading things. I'm letting, you know, that inner wisdom just kind of flow me through the day. >> You know what I mean? I'm I'm on track. >> Uh when it's like that, it's hard to surprise me cuz uh I've been paying attention to everything. So, but now when I fight somebody, it's like what surprises me is like, "Oh, wow. They're really talented. Like, they're fast. That's cool." You know what I mean? Like it won't be like a move or like a a shot that will surprise me. just be like, "Oh, this guy, he's on top of his game. That's cool." You know what I mean? But >> as far as like a technique or anything, [sighs] it's kind of it'd be hard to surprise me. >> But, uh, I feel like I've surprised people cuz a lot of people, they'll be seeing that move, they're like, "Where do you even come up with that stupid move? It looks stupid, but am I getting hit?" Cuz I've been thinking about this. I've been like Mayweather, he does a shoulder rope, but he hides behind it a lot. And people think I like they they call me off for turning my back, but I'm just giving them the side and then you can't really hit me on it, but everybody makes fun of me on it. But I have not got hit once doing it. >> So guys, come on. You call You call the silly show. They call it the silly show, >> right? >> It's all good. [laughter] >> You're there to do a job, dude. And if you dispatch someone Yeah. It's so funny to think about um >> obsession. Obviously, it's it is very much a double-edged sword. It's the sort of thing that can cause you to be obsessed with politics or porn or your ex or drugs or gambling or partying or status or money or how people see you. >> Yeah. >> But it can also, if you direct it in the right angle, be the thing that causes you to completely change your game in the space of two hours as a professional sports star. >> It's the sort of thing that can cause you to obsess over how well you write or tell stories as a writer. >> That would be cool. Now that like I would want to learn how to do that. Like writing for some reason it just seems so like >> like if you could get a high level where you could make somebody feel something just by a sentence and you know it's going to hit >> that's pretty sick. >> I'm watch my housemate at the moment is just finished the first draft of his book which is going to be amazing and I'm [clears throat] watching him all he does every single day is in the spare bedroom in the house that we live in. >> Every wall is covered in post-it notes. everything. Oh, he's just living and breathing this book. You know, in uh in AI and chatbt and stuff like that, there's an idea of a context window and it means how big is the uh sort of world of information about what you're talking about that the AI has reference to. So, if you have a a real long chat, the context window is super huge. If you start a new chat, the context window is a lot smaller. >> His context window for his own book is like three galaxies big, right? He's got all of these different stories and he'll come downstairs and tell me, "I just learned this story about Phil Collins and how he wrote um like In the Air Tonight or how he wrote this song or and it's so [ __ ] cool." And I'm watching like you did. I'm watching somebody who is so obsessed. Now, my point being >> most people go through their lives without ever getting an obsession that's worth anything. People can reach the end of their lives having either never been obsessed or only being obsessed about stuff that wasn't worth anything. >> So, if you're the sort of person who has an obsession that's pointing in a positive direction, you really shouldn't waste it. >> No, >> it's a [ __ ] wonderful thing. It's free motivation. It's free discipline. It's not that you as a kid had to be forced to train. You couldn't not train all that you wanted to. It wasn't like someone went into your bedroom after you lost that fight to that guy, that kid, and said, >> "You need to think about this for 2 hours." Like, if you told me to go and play video games, I couldn't. I can't not do this thing. >> That's very true. >> Free discipline, free motivation, and that doesn't last forever. >> And what you need is while the while the tide while the current's with you to sort of ride down that, okay, I'm going to do what I'm called to. And I think that's what you were talking about up top. Like I get little whispers. Yeah, >> sometimes these fleeting thoughts, these nudges that move my life in different directions, >> I'm going to follow those because in future they might not be there and you missed them. >> You missed them. >> It's like the neon sign. >> Kind of just went past it. Like, damn. But >> I could have seen what was it. >> What was it? Yeah. It's cool just to see what it was. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> And just, you know, kind of see where that goes. But yeah, I always told people my biggest fear in life was cuz when they asked me like, "Is it death?" Is I was like, "No, it's just not reaching my potential and just wasting it." cuz I know I have so much. So, it's like that that just scares me, >> you know? >> Precious is a privilege, dude. Hey, I appreciate you. I'm fired up to see what the rest of this year has for you. >> Thank you. >> You're the man, >> sir. >> Appreciate you. >> Pleasure, bro. >> Till next time. >> Yeah. >> Goodbye, everybody. >> I'm going to try this. >> Get it, didn't you? >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you very much for tuning in. If you enjoyed that episode, YouTube knows who you are deeply. It thinks you're going to like this one [music] even more. Gone.