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In a reflective discussion following SummerSlam, The Undertaker and Paul Heyman address Brock Lesnar's retirement, framing it as a bittersweet but necessary conclusion to his career. Both men emphasize that Lesnar has always been a realist who understood the reality of his situation, making his decision to step away a genuine one rather than a temporary pause driven by financial incentives alone. They highlight that despite the lucrative offers available for just a few minutes of work, Lesnar chose to end his run because he felt it was truly time, signaling a complete and final departure from the ring.
The conversation delves into the deep mutual respect shared between the three legends, underscored by a significant phone call Lesnar made to The Undertaker, which Heyman describes as a profound "full circle" moment that validated Lesnar's passion for the business. While acknowledging that critics often attribute Lesnar's actions solely to money or scheduling conflicts, both hosts argue that his recent work with Obi-Wan Kenobi demonstrated a sincere desire to elevate a new talent and contribute to the industry's future. This gesture of mentorship and support reinforces the idea that Lesnar is retiring on his own terms, having achieved everything he set out to do without needing further validation or financial push.
Despite the retirement, the duo cannot ignore the enduring legacy of Lesnar's most famous achievement: defeating The Undertaker's undefeated streak at WrestleMania 30. They agree that this moment remains the ultimate bragging right in wrestling and continues to generate the loudest reactions whenever mentioned, regardless of how much time has passed since it occurred. While they debate whether Roman Reigns or Bray Wyatt might have been better suited to end the streak given their established roles, both concede that Lesnar's victory was historically significant and will forever be associated with his name, serving as the definitive peak of his career even if he no longer needs it.
Ultimately, The Undertaker and Paul Heyman express confidence that Brock Lesnar has hung up his boots for good, though they acknowledge the possibility of TKO Wrestling attempting to lure him back for a final appearance at WrestleMania in Saudi Arabia. They believe that given Lesnar's current financial success and contentment with how his career played out, he is likely ready to ride off into the sunset rather than return to the squared circle. The video concludes with a strong endorsement of Lesnar's legacy, noting that while fans may focus on his past feuds, his true impact lies in his ability to inspire, mentor, and leave a lasting mark on the sport before stepping away from the spotlight.
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What's good Josh? Ross back at again
with another video. So check out
Undertaker and Paul Heymon react to
Brock Lesnar's retirement 6 feet under
podcast. Um this is uh on the
Undertaker's YouTube channel and I did
think this was very interesting because
I know Paul Heyman, the Undertaker and
Brock Lesnar all have a uh interesting
relationship with each other from
working with each other for many years
in WWE. So, we're going to check this
out to kind of see what the Undertaker
has to say about this whole situation
and uh should be an interesting one.
Appreciate all the love support you guys
show on our channel. Let's see what uh
Paul Heyman and the Undertaker have to
talk about, man.
>> Right on the heels of uh SummerSlam. Uh
wow, what a
Well, for how are you feeling after
after SummerSlam? I mean, I I'm it's got
it's kind of a uh I'm sure a bittersweet
moment, I guess.
Um
I'm accepting of the reality of the
situation.
You know, when you when when when when
you first break in, so many of the
veterans would tell you, "Be accepting
of it. Don't don't don't fight against
what the reality of the situation is."
It's it's it's the same as if if someone
comes to you today and says, "Oh, we
have this so perfectly built for you for
Wrestlemania." You're going to shut it
down immediately because you've accepted
the fact that this is what you're doing
now. That is what you were doing then.
And Brock has always been a realist
about himself.
>> Mhm.
>> And it's time. And to him, I I I would
hear this every year from him. No, this
is my last contract. This is it. And he
meant it when he said it.
>> And as we got closer, he
would then change his mind or it didn't
take a lot to talk him into it, but I
knew that this was it.
>> Yeah.
>> Especially when you take in
consideration, you know, that money that
was probably being thrown his way to do
a couple of moves. I mean, who wouldn't
pass that up? All you got to do is fly
somewhere, do a couple of suplexes,
couple F5s, call it a day, and you've
made millions of dollars with just maybe
30 minutes, not even that. Maybe 10
minutes of work. That's I' I'd come
back, you know, a few more times, you
know, and it doesn't even seem like
Brock is the type to splurge on his
money, but I mean, who going to pass
that up to be honest with you? and and
because he knew that this was it, right?
>> He wasn't just saying it because he felt
it at the moment. This decision was fed
up complete.
>> Yeah. It uh you know, sitting there
yesterday as we filmed this, it was
yesterday. Um what a full circle kind of
moment. Um, and and and I I don't I
don't really get into a lot of the weeds
of
I try to I try not to, but the phone
call that I got yesterday re really
meant a lot to me. And I I'm not I'm
going to get into what the phone call
was about, but the fact that I I I
received that phone call, it was just it
it said a lot about him,
you guys together and uh something he
didn't have to do,
>> you know.
>> Okay. But it meant it it meant the world
to me as as an old-timer and you know
and it just shows I I don't think I
don't think Brock really got enough
credit for his passion for the business.
>> You know I think most people and you
know everybody chirps and everybody gets
on the everybody has their opinion that
they don't know [ __ ] about what they're
talking about. you know, it was always,
you know, oh, it's always about the
money or they bitched about the, you
know, or the dates and everything like
that. I I think he genuinely I mean, he
had to to to love this business and
things like that phone call yesterday
just kind of reiterated to me like,
yeah, he understood he gets it. And uh
it's kind of it's kind of sad for me cuz
it's it's one less guy that's going to
be around that understands tradition and
and and the
>> I honestly do think he's hanging it up.
I I think that's it. I think this last
goound is legitimately his last go
around and I'm sure TKO they're going to
try to open up that wallet maybe at uh
Wrestlemania next year and we'll that
will really be the true ultimate test if
he's really gone if he's still able to
say no while they're in Saudi for
Wrestlemania next year. You know that
Saudi government, the officials out
there, they're going to want Brock
Lesnar there if he's able to tell them
no. There's I mean that's that's the uh
solidification of yeah that's he's done
for good but I still am leaning on that
side of I think he's actually done. I
think he's he's cool with how his career
went. I mean had a pretty good career in
WWE. Not too many people has beaten him.
I think he's okay with how it played
out. I think he's okay with doing the
job for Oba and uh honestly can't be mad
at it, man. the way things used to be
done.
>> Well, he really has come full circle
because everything that he has been
doing for and with Oba, you did for and
with him
>> and that phone call
was necessary.
There is a code of honor in this
industry that if you are in there with
someone that you can't even stand on a
personal level, but you stand on the
chair and you fall backwards, you know
that person is going to catch you.
>> That's the code of honor that we all
sign up for in this industry. It's
>> otherwise so many more people would have
their faces smashed in.
>> So true.
That's crazy,
>> you know. So,
>> that's crazy.
>> That that phone call was a must.
>> Yeah.
>> And and and I couldn't imagine the day
going by without that phone call being
placed.
>> Yeah. Well, it you know, it meant the
world to me and uh and I know you were I
I could see you sitting in the room
like, "Yeah, that's you know,
>> well, he used my phone." Well, I know I
know he used your phone. He tried to use
I know he used your phone, but I I know
that you, you know, as a as a
>> I wouldn't necessarily call you a a
traditionalist, but in a sense you are.
I mean, you're from the old school and
it was just like it was a very it was a
very cool moment. And then and then you
go out and you know they they did what
they did and it was just like, wow. All
right, man. That that's that's really
cool. Um,
>> do what they did on the wood.
>> Yeah, that part I
>> That's a whole different animal.
>> I don't know.
>> With no knee pad.
>> That's a total broad thing to do right
there.
>> Gosh.
>> I was like, gosh almighty.
>> Oh man. I was like, yeah.
>> The only thing and I maybe that there
was some miscommunication and that's
probably why he had the elbow pass cuz
he was probably maybe supposed to take
the the the finishing move on the wood
to give it that finality. It didn't
happen that way, unfortunately. Um, but
nevertheless though, I he still put Oba
over, bro. He put him over and I think
Oba is going to benefit from this. If
they continue to book him correctly, I
think he's going to benefit from this
for a very long time. And uh, you know,
it's just really dope to see that.
>> I don't know. I think I'd have took the
I think I'd have done a mat. I used the
mats. Of course, I got two metal knees
now from but I'm a little more sensitive
to that. Um, but I do but I do have a
you credible moment and you know I'm
we're going to get into what what's next
but I do have a little bit of beef with
you. Uh
>> oh.
>> With me?
>> Yeah.
>> Just one.
>> Well, no. I got several but one I'm
going to talk about. Like I mean
>> you know
>> I feel like I'm Bruce Pritchard here.
>> Oh no no
>> no you does he have more heat than I do?
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay for sure. Then I
feel much better.
>> Oh yeah, you got Yeah, you you're you're
way good. You're way good now. Thank
you.
>> Bruce is like just a incinerator.
>> I like how when we said that how
everyone here just starts muttering
motherucker about Bruce.
>> Yeah, right. Everybody back here.
Everybody's got their own Bruce story.
>> Bruce, it wasn't me. What did he do to
your It's them mfing you.
>> Damn, bro. People don't like Bruce at
all. They [ __ ] that guy.
I I'd come to your defense, but yeah, I
mean, geez.
>> Uh,
like every interview like Brock has been
in so many big matches.
Why is it seems like the only thing you
ever talk about is how he beat me? I
mean,
>> he's the one in 21 and1 and and then,
you know, and then hell in the cell.
Like, dude's got some other stuff on his
resume. Why you got to always go after
me? Because it's the most impressive
stat.
>> Wow. Yeah, but I I mean, I get it, but
he was the NCAA Division One Heavyweight
Championship from the University of
Minnesota in the year 2000.
That's big.
>> Yeah. He was the youngest WWE champion
ever. That's big.
>> Yes.
>> He knocked out and it was a standing
knockout. He knocked out Randy Coutur,
the greatest heavyweight in the history
of UFC for the undisputed UFC
Heavyweight Championship. He did.
>> That's huge. He comes back to WWE. He
multiple title reigns and some of them
history-making title reigns. Some of
them because of the longevity they were
history-making title reigns. And they're
all huge multi-time Wrestlemania main
event. All huge accomplishments. None of
them compare
to being the one
>> that conquered the Undertaker's
undefeated streak at wrestling.
>> I still think he didn't need it, bro. I
still think that if if anything, I will
stand on this ledge. Even with Brock
being retired, I think Roman should have
been the one to do it. If they were
going to either not have anyone do it,
either Roman or Bray Wyatt, one of the
two. That's it. it. That was that was my
if I had to think about if the
Undertaker is going to give up his
streak to give to someone else, he
either needs to be Prey or it either
needs to be Roman. It needed to be
someone that wasn't already super
established. Brock at that point, it's
Brock. We knew who Brock was. He was
already established. He didn't need that
to go for the WWE Championship. Of
course, once he beat the streak, of
course, he's going to be number one
contender to get the WWE Championship at
that point, but he didn't need it.
That's the one thing I will always say.
He didn't need it. If anyone could have
benefited, I would have preferred the
Undertaker just retire with the streak
intact. But if anything, if they were
going to give it back to someone, either
Bray Wyatt could have been someone that
could use it as the new face of fear or
Roman Reigns who really could have used
it. And if they would have turned them
heel,
we probably would have got the tribal
chief a little bit sooner and it would
have been [ __ ] fantastic
mania. It's the greatest claim to fame
and it always will be when it comes to
Brock Lesnar. That's that's his epitap.
Brock Lesnar conquered the Undertaker's
undefeated streak. Former UFC and WWE
heavyweight champion. No,
>> it's it's the And it still to this day
gets the biggest reaction.
>> Yeah, it does. It will always get the
biggest reaction. Always like because
you say it out loud, it's like
>> like it's taboo. Like I'm not supposed
to brag about it. It's the biggest
reaction.
>> It's the It is the bragging right. It is
the ultimate bragging right. At
WrestleMania 30, if Brock had won every
title in existence, WWE,
Intercontinental, US, all the other
titles in the industry at the same time
and he pinned every champion or tapped
them all out, it would not have been as
big for him as that moment.
>> Yeah. No, that was insane, bro.
>> If the public wouldn't react to it,
>> I would.
>> Well, yeah, you'd move on. I'd move on.
>> You get new material, but it's
>> But it becomes a sore spot every time I
say obviously.
>> Yeah. I mean, no. I mean, I'm dealing
with it, but I mean, it's, you know, but
it no more, you know, it's 12 years ago
and to this day it still gets the
loudest reaction of anything that we
say.
>> It does.
>> Yeah.
>> Sorry, babe. You can't argue with that.
>> I I I know, but I mean, it's still it's
like, come on, man. He's got some other
stuff on the on the on the uh he's got
some other stuff on the card. You always
got to go to that. It's kind of a source
guy. I always figured, by the way, that
when I say it that they'll run a lower
third, saying, "And tune in to
Undertaker and Michelle on the Six Feet
Under podcast presented by WWE powered
by fanatics."
>> Oh, that's good.
>> And this is why he's so good.
>> And now, ladies and gentlemen, an ad
read by The Undertaker. Three, two, one,
go.
>> All right, get your No. Oh, man. Uh,
>> just I just had to get that off my
chest, you know? I was just like, "This
guy is always talking about that." I
mean, what the hell trying to get that
out of people's minds?
>> I'll say this, man. I'll say this.
Obviously, they they have a a solid
relationship, the Undertaker, Paul
Heyman, and Brock Lesnar. And knowing
that Brock Lesnar actually hit up the
Undertaker and kind of gave him that
that call that, you know, that phone
call, that full circle moment lets you
know how much respect they have for each
other, you know, and how much respect he
does have for the business. I know a lot
of us as fans, we tend to think Brock
only cares about the money. Let's not
get it twisted. He definitely does care
about the money. And when Brock is
inspired to do something, inspired to
have a match, he'll go out there and
give you something inspiring. He'll go
out there and do what he needs to do.
Now, when he's not inspired,
you you kind of can tell. But
nevertheless, you can tell that for the
most part, especially with this last
run, he was enjoying what he was doing
with Oba. And you can tell he was doing
everything he can to get Oba over.
That's something whether you like Brock
or not, you got to be able to respect
because ultimately this is something
that could help and should help Oba get
to that next level. And him being the
future.
Brock has already said he's done. I'm
good. He's the future. I'm the past.
He's the guy that you got need to be
paying attention to. That's the ultimate
cosign from someone that rarely loses,
especially someone of my complexion, you
know. It's it's the ultimate cosign. So,
honestly, I do think he's done. I do I
do think he, you know, he's he's hung it
up for good. I know TKO probably will do
whatever they can to get as much money
possible to maybe get him to come back
for one more time at S in Saudi uh for
Wrestlemania next year. I don't know if
he'll take it though. I think he's
someone that he's made a decent amount
of money in his life. I don't think he
needs too much. I think he's want to go
ahead and hang it up and and call it a
day. Ride off into the to the sunset,
man. But hey, comment down below. Let me
know, man. Uh some other wrestling
related videos you guys want me to check
out. I definitely will. I appreciate all
love support you guys have shown on the
channel. Road to 200k. Appreciate y'all
kicking with me. See you on the next
one. Peace.