The Truth Behind Citizen Vigilante - Uwe Boll | PBD Podcast | #829

Citizen Vigilante is officially number one on Amazon and number one on Apple. One of the most controversial movies I've ever seen before. If you've seen it, you already know what happened to your emotions. Rage, mixture of feelings of what is wrong with this guy. I'm siding with him. He's a good guy. No, he's a bad guy. Why did he do this? And if you haven't seen it, when you do, I watch it two times in three days just to see what angles this And by the way, it is it is dark. It is nasty appears glorifying the violent message of this film. But it's become hot. Elon Musk made the movie free on X for 48 hours. And so I reached out to uh the writer, director, and producer U B who's written a lot of controversial things. This guy's even fought five critics that said bad things about his movies. And each one of them he knocked out cuz he used to be a boxer back in the days growing up in the streets of Germany. And I asked him a few question. I want you to kind of see it for yourself. One, does he feel people will be inspired to do something about this? Because other people watch it. They're like, "Wait a minute. what's happened in Germany. I'm going to be Germany citizen vigilante. I'm going to be UK citizen vigilante. I'm going to be Australia's citizen vigilante. There's a reason why this movie has been banned in Germany and others because they're worried it could lead to something but it's also popular. Rotten Tomatoes critics gave it an 8% but the people gave it 94%. 94% of people who watched this movie they liked it. Why? There's a reason for it. Having said that, enjoy this interview with the director, producer, and the writer of the movie Citizen Vigilante. [music] >> Did you ever think you would make it sweet? [music] >> What's your point? The future looks bright. >> My handshake is [music] better than anything I ever signed right here. 101. >> So my guest today is the producer of the movie Citizen Vigilante Uay. It's great to have you on the show here today. >> Thanks for having me. >> So I I mean I got a lot of questions to go through with you, but when you made this movie with Army Hammer, did you think it was going to be a number one movie on Apple and Amazon? >> No. But uh I think I know I would steer the pot, you know, that people will flipping out about the movie. Um that was clear for me because I did something what nobody else even tried to do to give some like brutal real impact into this whole mess of the migration situ situation in in Europe, you know. So, I really wanted to put the finger in the wound and show what other people in other movies never would mention. They're covering it up. They sugarcoating it and I was furious about it. That's the reason I did that. >> So, okay. So, I we'll get into the movie, but before getting into the movie, can you share with the audience your background? You got a very interesting background on what you've done. So, maybe for the audience that doesn't know, those who know you, they have an opinion about you, but those who don't, can you share with them your background? Yeah. So I I doing a lot of movies. I did 40 movies. There were a lot of like stars in it. Jason Stan, Ben Kingsley, Gerald Dean Chaplain, Meatloaf, uh Michelle Rodriguez. I shot with a lot of stars. Uh but I started with like 60,000 bucks and doing German fret movie. That was the German version of Kentucky Fred movie, a comedy I love. And that movie was shown in a movie theater that brought me into the business. So I learned making movies basically in making movies and uh so because nobody wanted to produce me, I turned into my own producer too and that was I think the best decision of my life because so nobody could really take advantage of me in the system and I was able to my film company from 1991 is still the same company. So I never went bankrupt or anything. it it's still the same company and uh as I said I made big movies like In the Name of the King with Jason Stassam and Bird Rainol was even in it um for 20th Century Fox and some for Universal Lone in the Dark Blood rain video game based movies but I did also a lot of political movies a Southern Wall Street about the 2008 uh uh banking crisis um Dur about the genocide in Dury movie like Hotel Rwanda style, um, Rampage, Postal. So, I did a lot of things I've wrote myself. They're more political, more serious, and of course the big commercial movies, uh, more like popcorn movies, basically. >> Got it. And And so, but you also took a break and you went and started a restaurant which became you brought a Michelin star chef and I think it was the number 27 or 37 restaurant in Canada. You made the top 50 list. What was that all about? Why did you leave that to go into the restaurant business? >> Yeah, I I lived in Canada. My wife is from Canada and I missed the food like the German food, you know, and I felt like I bring a great German chef and we had the classics too vinit like but from the ve of course, not from any pork. We had za brat and stuff like this like German classics but we also had a full-on tasting menu like a machinsa restaurant and I did that 2015 2016 I shot my movie rampage part three and stopped making movies and felt okay I did it so long I did so much maybe I should retire from making movies but then 2020 I felt it's I have to I love it too much I have to go back making uh movies and then in a way co came and we had to close the restaurant because of the shutdown. And I felt that's kind of a sign, you know, like to say, you know what, then we're wrapping it up now. Now we're closing it and we're not reopening. Um, what was very clever, by the way, because I in the first week of the shutdown, I felt already that will not go fast away. So I uh basically closed it right away. Another guy bought all the equipment and then I said, "Okay, now I go full back on movies." >> And and on the movie side, again, very interesting for you to go from there to the movies, 40 plus movies. Is it true that you decided to fight five of the movie critics and you literally knocked each of them out? Is that a true story or is that a myth? >> No, it's a true story. Jeff Schneider from Variety, he had to throw up on the sidewalk after. It's all on YouTube, so you can We did the We did it in the Plaza of Nations in Vancouver. It was sold out. It was even on pay-per-view at that at that point. And uh it's on YouTube, so it's a lot of uh there's even a doub I think on Amazon or something. And uh no, I was so loaded up. You know, this reviewers, you see it now with statistical vigilant too. 94% of the audience loves it, but the 10 people who wrote a review like, "Ah, typical over ball. The worst piece of [ __ ] movie ever." So, it's like I'm so used that the normal reviewers, they hate my movies because I like making movies in your face, like blunt movies like Dirty, Harry, Death Wish. That is the stuff I grew up with. The Wild Bunch is one of my favorite movies and that's really the stuff I grew up with and I I I cannot stand all this artificial drumming around the bush diverse Vogue writer [ __ ] What's you know like I cannot watch it anymore. Star Wars. Oh god, I'm so done with all these movies. So, and the reviewers, they don't like this kind of blunt movies in a way, you know, and uh they hated me also that they boxed the critics that like he I saw that I found it for example, you know, and uh you see they couldn't box. I boxed when I was young. So, I I know I cannot really get killed by this by these people. And uh then I don't know what clip it is. Oh, it [laughter] see. >> Yeah. I mean, I see the numbers. A guy named Peter Bradshaw from Guardian gave it a one of your movies a zero out of five star. Called it badly acted and political inflammatory. You knocked him out. Kariety Todd Gil kill Gilchrist. You knocked him out. Then you got the bull work Sunny Bunch gave it a one star wrote the film was so astonishingly bad that it almost harms Army Hammer. You got these newer guys on what they said. The guys in the past that said it is Rich Kianka who for founder of something awful had some scathing reviews. You fought him. Chris Alexander, you fought him from Rue Morg magazine. Snider which you he lost by TKO. And then Chance Mter. >> Uh and then last but not least, Carlos Palencia Jimenez Aguilo who lost by TKO. Question for you. Take me back to you being 14, 15, 16 years old. Were you a troublemaker? Were you a street kid? Were you a gangster? Were you a fighter? Who were you at 14, 15, 16 years old? >> No, I was in a boxing club and uh I trained really four or five times a week. That's also a thing, you know, when I talk to this kind of green party members who were always pampered and never had contact to street crime people or also I mean when when you go to a boxing club, you have a lot of people from around the world. You have the Albanians and so on. And I know that they understand basically only strengths. They respect strong rules and strong like you know like they laughing about you when you're weak. They beat you up. So and I think our governments mostly they don't get that that they don't get that they they don't understand that if you give these people the street they will take the street. And uh because they are like oh you poor guy from Afghanistan whatever you know the poor guy from Syria and uh when you have a harder hand with them that it's in reality this what they understand you know when they getting it like if you steal as a migrant in London in a warehouse you will get removed the next day then they maybe stop stealing but when they think like nothing will ever happen to me I can do whatever I want then it keeps doing with grabbing women, raping women, stabbing other people, robbing people or having this grooming gangs. What what we have that all happens because they're not scared of the law. They know like, oh, in the end they say I'm a traumatized refugee. I just had to rape that woman. So, and all this stuff is like a lot of these people, they talk about people like this, but they never met them. I mean, I know people since they were like 5 years old. They are like the Albanian mafia, you know. You could order whatever you want. If I was at the boxing club and I wanted a new like disc player, I gave them the the thing. I want that disc player and they're like, "Next training I got the disc player for 50 bucks instead of 500 bucks." So, I know how these people think and how they operate. They give a [ __ ] about the law. So, and that's the thing. But they respect people. they're also showing strengths and are not scared. So that's the big misunderstanding about uh like criminal migrants like this gangs and the clans and so on, you know, and they abusing the system. I said also yesterday at Pierce Morgan, I'm not against migrants. I mean, if you go somewhere, I don't care about your religion, your your skin color. I worked in my movies with all nations together, shot in Africa, everywhere. But I have something against criminal migrants, like criminals who abuse the system, the social welfare system, but also who are risk factors and going around and and killing people, put pushing people in front of a subway, stabbing people, random stabbings. That's the reason I did that opening scene in Citizen Vigilante where that mother gets stabbed and bleeds out. We had that thousands of times in in reality. And when then the the uh um the guy was yesterday from the Guardian, he acts like the crimes are all the Nazis doing against or right-wing people doing crimes against migrants. No, it's like a 100 times different like it's it's a 100 times uh uh more where migrants doing crimes from school bullying to theft to uh uh [clears throat] to to rape, stealing, pickpocketing, everything. I mean it's a criminal statistic that show it shows it 100% that this that's 700% higher crime rate under under migrants. So uh and I think the problem is with a lot of people is they're not even willing to accept the facts. You know even Pierce Morgan yesterday he said like there's no problem with the illegal migration from Islamistic countries in England. I mean, is he blind? >> That's a very strong position that that when he was here, he and I talked about that and he's firm on that. He really believes there's nothing that's uh going on with that. And obviously, a lot of people disagree with that. But this story you made, the character that's played by Army Hammer, he is a rich guy that inherits a bunch of wealth, right? Real estate, wealth, all this stuff. And his mother obviously gets killed while while they're leaving the liquor store. And the father wasn't really in the picture. Is is the character Sanders played by Army Hammer based on somebody you know or did you create that character? >> No, I created that I created that character. >> Okay. You created that character. Okay. So, you know, and so when you when you when you called Army and you shared with him, hey, this is what I'm thinking about. What was the reaction when you shared with him that you wanted to uh have this part? How did he receive the character? >> No, he read what I wrote. He said, "Oh, that's tough stuff." But the good thing is he was in a situation he needed the money he needed to make the movie. He wanted to go back to acting and I think it's a great character to come back to acting. I told him like that's a lead part like you will be like the in a way an action star back to do this to do this movie you know and um he was perfect for it. I mean look at him he would be perfect to be James Bond the new James Bond. So and he really delivered the part. I saw your show where you said you never saw like this a real dark movie, but this is what I wanted, you know. I I wanted it that you it's unforgettable that the people like that's maybe too much, you know. So, because of course the the overall impact of the movie should be like not like okay, let's be all vigilant now. We shoot everybody who doesn't have a bus ticket. No, the idea is the governments need to make sure to protect their citizens that you are like peacefully can walk in the inner city and be not scared that somebody stabs you from behind. And uh that's the message that like you need to bring security to the streets otherwise people will revolt. People will say it's enough now. >> Okay. Okay. So, why don't we do this? So, wait, let's stay on that because >> I've had Dominic Tarjinski on from Poland. I don't know if you know who he is, Dominic Tarjinski. >> And he's a big fan of this movie. He posted it all over the place. Poland has the lowest crime rate in all of Europe.3% lowest unemployment, lowest anything. And he says, "We will not let one uh Muslim in our country," that's his words. Not one. Zero. And he says, "Because of that, we have the lowest crime rate." And he said this over and over again. if you can find that clip of him saying that when he's being questioned about it. So then here's the question. If say the government doesn't do anything cuz they're not. I mean in the movie you saw that other character which becomes the villain who is supposed to stop Sanders and he's representing the government that's there to take care of him and says you can't do this. He says I don't like what my government's not doing but my job is to stop a guy like you because you're not supposed to do what you're doing. What what do you say if when I watched the movie Joker with Walkin Phoenix, I don't know if you've seen the Joker. I think you probably like a movie like that because it's kind of there was a 43rd minute where the the enemy became the capitalist. So it's kind of like go kill the capitalist and then you have Luigi Manion that goes and kills the CEO of United Healthcare in America. And it was a massive story all over the place, right? But some people were like he did the right thing. So let's flip it here. So let's just say if somebody watches this movie and they live in UK, if a 100 tough guys that are street thugs have nothing to live for, their dad is dead, their mom's not in the life, nothing. They watch this and they say, "If the UK government's not going to do anything, if the Spain government's not going to do anything and they're inviting even more migrants in, if the France government's not going to do anything, we going to take it on to ourselves. We're going to go kill these rapists ourselves." Say a hundred people in Europe decide to take it on upon themselves, including in Australia, and they go kill a thousand rapists and they do what he did, Sanders in a movie. Do you look at those people as heroes or do you look at those guys as villains? >> No, I mean, of course, I would always say you should not murder people, you shouldn't kill, right? So in in general uh but having said that I think that's the mathematically like chance gets higher and higher as more illegal migration comes from people they don't bring value to the society and and they even demand u this kind of they demand the street I give you give you an example I was in Frankfurt I was sitting in a restaurant and I became a demonstration train basically with a woman with the bulker on top of a pickup truck. She had the microphone. Police was there to protect the uh uh Palestinians or whatever pro Gaza demonstration. And she was yelling in the microphone, "Cops up, pigs, pigs, pigs. Kill the pigs, pigs, pigs." That was she yelling. That was basically everything that she never said anything else. when the train moved by and I I was sitting in that restaurant and I felt like are we are we crazy like what the cops should think about it. So they protecting these guys that they can do a free demonstration where they basically say kill these guys who protect us here right now and we are in Frankfurt where all the banks from Europe are in the super high tech city and nothing we ever did in our countries is even close to one building in Frankfurt. So and I felt like you know it's insane. It's insanity to to give this stuff like a chance for me. These people should get deported the next day. Sorry. It's I mean it's like there is no way around it. If we don't get a hard hand against like criminals or people coming into the country who in any form are not useful for the country and just get social welfare and then going on the street and demonstrating like this. I mean, what what are we doing? You know, and and uh and the normal like lower middle class in Germany, they barely make it through and in America the same. They barely make it paycheck to paycheck and they work the whole time. And then they see this people, they're getting six kids, it's six times€300 every month just for the kids. Then they get free housing, they get free healthcare, free schools, you know, I mean, you you have to make 5,000 euro to get what they get for free. And that that's crazy. We have to finish this welcome culture and just like have our own interests first and say look guys when you come here and you work and you integrate you pay taxes you're welcome from whatever country you come but we cannot continue to get like played like this. That's that's really you get played and uh you know I have Muslim friends. I have nothing against Muslims, but like radical Sharia teaching Islam has nothing to do in Europe or America. That's just like that that's that's against everything we ever learned against civilization, against natural science, um against any other religion because they should die in their in their ideas. And I don't know why so many like normal Muslims uh a lot of times kind of protecting them and and and uh not like criticizing that louder you know saying no that's that's ridiculous if people running around and stabbing people pushing them down the stairs grandma's down the stairs like people like I saw so many videos over over the time and then you discuss with people they say there's no problem That's other people rape other people too. Like in marriages people husbands rape women. Yeah. But not in a bush with 15 teenagers. I mean it's insane. There are huge difference in the in the way crime is done by this migrant gangs and stuff like this. And I will never forget I watched a video where a guy with a baby carriage went to Paris. Like a father with his baby in a baby carriage. And the guy comes stabs him in the neck and he bleeds out on the ground and is dead. and the baby is in the baby carriage like we'll never see the father. So why we do this to us? Why these people are there? Why these people are not gone? You know, so that that's the thing. It's it's like we this so suicidal >> here's my question for you though. If the government's not going to do any This is what I'm trying to go to because this movie was made my opinion but let me ask you because you're the creator of the movie. How much of this movie was to inspire? How much of this movie was to entertain? >> No, I think all my movies always have to entertain too, right? So, they have to be uh um not boring. That's the worst thing you can do with a movie. And unfortunately, a lot of movies are too boring. But uh no, it is to but it is not to inspire to burn the city down. It is to bring the pressure and to open the eyes of this kind of voke left people who close their eyes and don't want to see the reality. They never had contact to violent people. They never had they never saw people getting beaten up. I mean I I saw that non-stop when I was young, right? So I I and that's the thing. It's like they have no experience with violence in in a way and that how fast it can escalate you know and and uh they sugarcoat it. they they just think that's not what they're accepting it as long they don't get it you know a lot of these people I think if they are one time in their life in a dangerous or violent situation they would maybe start thinking a little different about it you know so and uh that that's the thing it's it's like I was in in Berlin actually this year and they played my movie run and that was Amanda plumber like it's also about a kind of refugees but they played the movie the over here. So, I went back to the airport at 9:00 with the subway and then the the the street car basically and I was completely alone and the last things because it was the late flight out there was nobody in that thing besides me and five or six like they looked like Arab gang members and they saw in a way I had like a glass bottle in my hand. I always buy me then a glass bottle before I do stuff like this, you know, because a glass bottle is a perfect weapon. Uh and um they didn't they didn't do anything with me. So they felt like nah, it's not worth the risk. But if I would be a girl in that subway in that street car thing for like 20 minutes completely alone in the middle of the night basically driving there, she would definitely not be safe. They could grab her out on any station what was holding because the Berlin airport, the new one, is very far out of Berlin and you go to no man's land for like 25 minutes. So, and they could grab her out there and she would be toast. So, and that's the thing. It's it's like >> what do you think needs to happen? What do you think but but what do you think needs to happen to those six seven men that say would have raped her? Because I had Rupert Low on the podcast two weeks ago. He wrote the report on the 250,000 uh uh rape uh accusations of 87% being Pakistani. I had the whole report. I read the whole report. I had them on. We had the conversation about it. If the government's not willing to do anything to those who rape these individuals, what do you think needs to happen to them? >> Say the government does nothing. Say say the next 20 years they go rape another 5 million people that five million innocent young girls the next 10 years. >> Yeah. Do you think what do you think the average somebody who is a gangster mafia street guy who has nothing to live for? Do you think it's okay if they go take care of those sex seven boys men that raped that 14 15 year old girl? No. And that's the thing you know it's like if this would happen to my daughter and these guys would be free they would be not safe. That I can tell you right. So they they would uh like if they not going to jail for what they did in my case, they would be not safe. I guarantee you. >> And you would be comfortable you going to jail >> if if these guys did something to your daughter cuz you brought it up. >> You would be okay with the consequence of what happens to you. >> Yeah. If they catch me, [laughter] >> you know, you know. So yeah. So and and that that's that's a thing. But uh I understand that a lot of people would just live with it and would be very sad about it and would be depressed about it and they have a miserable life. I mean the thing is where I flipped out on that journalist in Hamburg who even said the perpetrators are also victims victims of wrong integration. So now these people the rapists living 15 blocks away from the girl. It's not like they had the money. They were all lower end the girl too. So they were still living there. It's not like okay now we move away from Hamburg. No the father has a job so they have to stay there. So now she could be every day meeting the rapist and the rapist could laugh their asses off saying I was not even in jail. I was 17. The judge felt I'm too young. Whatever. So, and that's why I did this harsh end scene where he just shoots everybody where where you know this the sister posts like oh they're all horse that the girls are all horse because they're not like having the bokeh on they having running around with a bikini. So, and I basically did in that movie what a lot of people think what a lot of people in a way then at least in that movie because in real life it doesn't happen they they're celebrating it because it was so crystal clear you know saying look dear government if you don't prosecute hard crimes I mean for a rape like this how can you be not even getting any jail like probation I mean for what you get Like you do a tax fraud, you're 5 years in prison. So, and then you do like a hard gang rape and you walk free and everybody pats on your back like, "Oh, you you had a hard childhood in Afghanistan. So, I understand from time to time you have to rape a woman." I mean, that's insane. And the the thing is they should get 10 to 15 years or even better they should leave Germany the day after the rape and go to wherever they come from you know and then you tell the Taliban in Afghanistan when they're from Afghanistan these guys are rapists you do your uh uh law on them because they were illegal in Germany from the get- go and now we bring them back to you. So have do whatever you want. I give a [ __ ] So that's the thing. I mean I don't know maybe I'm too radical on this but I know only I personally would not take if somebody steps my son and he bleeds out or my wife bleeds out in front of me this guys would be not safe that I guarantee you. Let me ask you why why do you and by the way why do you think there isn't more of that meaning >> the if if these 250 kids were raped 250,000 raped stories that you have in UK specifically we're not even talking about Germany and other places why do you think there isn't more citizen vigilantes when we set out to create a shoe [music] that blends comfort function and luxury we had the choice to make it [music] fast we had the choice to make it cheap we chose chose neither. Instead, we [music] chose Tuscan, Italy. We chose true Italian craftsmanship, each pair touched by 50 skilled hands. We chose patience, spending 2 years perfecting every detail. And we chose the [music] finest quality at every step. Introducing the future [music] looks bright collection. Not rushed, not disposable, not ordinary, rather intentional, luxurious, timeless. >> [music] >> These are these are somebody this is someone's daughter. This is someone's brother sister. This is someone's child. Like why why do you think there aren't more radical things happening like this? No. Because the people are mostly unable to do something. They're like sheep, right? So they they're scared. They're scared of the consequences. They are then pick the way to not fight. They pick the way to be depressed. They are basically Yeah. They they cannot do it. It's like they I would not say they want to follow the law. I I would say if if your family gets killed, you don't want to follow the law. Everybody would want revenge. But most of the people they they just cannot handle it. They cannot do it themselves. They don't know people. they they can go uh um and do harm to other people. They that's the thing. It's it's like a totally different kind of world. And um yeah but look when you talk about backbone for example you don't you don't find also in America even like look at the film industry you know how many people I know who are actors or people in the film industry they voted for Trump and they never says say it if they they would always say don't say it over don't say it to anybody you will never work again blah blah blah and I said I give a [ __ ] to be [laughter] honest like I always said what I mean, I don't care about the consequences. So, and but they know, oh, I need I will never work again at the Netflix TV series or I will never get a job there. So, if people are scared to even say who they voted for or why they voted for somebody because they could have a um financial disadvantage out of it, that shows that most of the people they just don't have any courage. So then they would never do anything what is actually could have a jail penalty for them as a consequence. They would not do this. So um that I think is the reason that so many people just are then too weak. They don't pull it off. So you know this is such a complicated movie. I watch it twice in 3 days and my wife comes in. She's like why are you watching it again? I said because you know I just have to watch this one more time. So I went I I didn't watch it one I watched twice in three days. And it's so complicated. It is so complicated because whenever I would talk to some Italian mothers who lived in New York City, say they're 75 years old, and they would say they missed the mob being in New York City. I said, "You missed the mob?" "Yes, we missed the mob." "Why?" "Nobody would mess with us from the outside." And as long as you respected them, they were good. They took out their own. I said, ' But I mean, so you don't support the fact that Rudy Giuliani got rid of the criminals and he cleaned up the streets? She says, 'Yes and no.' I said, ' Tell me why yes and no. He says, 'Because once they got cleaned up, other people from the outside came in to try to take advantage of us and nobody feared the mob anymore cuz they were gone. So they started abusing. So the opposition started. And even in uh LA, there was an area called Manhattan Beach. I don't know if you've been to Manhattan Beach. >> Yeah. >> It's a very wealthy area. And you don't mess with Manhattan Beach. It's probably 65 70% Republican and it's people in Hollywood that nobody wants to know. They're Republican Hollywood people that live there. And one time Black Lives Matter was going there to protest. I want to say the Mongols or Hell's Angels biker gangs showed up and he said, "You ain't coming across here. You're just not." >> Yeah. And so it took the gangsters and street guys to push away from protesters and the other guys that were going to come and destroy the city. So it's this is why it's it's a very very complicated story because if a family is living in Europe and their government is not doing their part to keep them safe, what are you supposed to do? Leave? Don't do anything? You call the cops, they won't do anything? There was a guy yesterday and a young guy that is being bullied in the streets, a white guy in UK. I don't know if you saw this or not. He's being pushed around. The cop comes and the cop accuses the white kid instead of the ones that are trying to beat him up and and it was the most random thing that you're seeing online here. This is the clip I want you to watch this. This is I believe in Birmingham. Go ahead. Yeah, he's >> not [ __ ] >> How is the cops >> are arresting the kid that's being bullied by the other seven, eight kids? I mean, this is this is the weirdest thing to see happening in a place like So, what is somebody supposed to do? Just allow the cops are not even going to protect the person that's being bullied. >> No, because the cops know the white kid will not grab a knife and stab them. So, it's easy to like in a way the cops are scared already and obeying to the street violence. They they are like uh like you see it's a little woman. So and cops in England I don't think they have even guns. What is completely absurd in a way and uh but in England I think they never had guns for whatever reason. And uh I think so they she grabs him because he's kind of an easy target for this and don't is not going after them. And I mean interesting when you when you came up with the health engines. I followed 2 and a half years as a documentary for me. It it will come out in the US too. It was here on Amazon. Uh I followed the banditos 2 and a half years. So I know all the banditos all everywhere around the Europe and made a documentary. So I came very close to them. And where the banditos are similar to the Hell's Angels when they go to a world run, it was the last world run was in Barcelona in Spain. They're like 4,000 banditos. And when they are there, there is no crime in the whole city. It's like nobody steals. Uh yeah, that's the bandiditos. No, nobody here. That's my movie. You see on the in the middle in the below. >> Yeah, I see it. Bandidos. Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's my movie. So, and uh it's absolutely safe when you're around them and when they are somewhere, they tell like the city don't worry about it. Similar what you said with the uh with the Mongols or the Hell's Angels. When they promise something, they hold it up. That's the reason they don't cooperate with the law enforcement. They have their own laws and but they follow strict orders. Nobody is going completely balloon. That guy would be like not not seen anymore or whatever out of the club. What is then like very bad for somebody if you get like uh out of a club without you have to give the vest away and you are basically free to chase you know like this kind of stuff and uh that was for me very interesting and my dooku is kind of positive about the banditos because inside the thing there was honor and you keep your word there was um you know they that that's the thing It's like we we are not getting it done similar in the in our population anymore. Every everybody is caved in for themselves. Nobody helps the other person. And I saw a lot of things and in Bonitos when people had financial problems, they get they're getting helped by the club. And it's not always like, okay, now we give you 10 grand and then you have to do right away something for us. No, it's like they taking care of their brothers. >> That's a fact, you know. >> Yeah. And and and you know, I mean, I'm sure you know this. You know, this movie is going to inspire people to be Sanders. If you haven't already seen, have you seen the stories of what people are doing around the world based on the inspiration of this movie? You know, you're seeing stories with a guy in Mexico that's going and, you know, taping robbers and, you know, there there's a bunch of, you know, low-key Sanders, you know, stepping up around the world that are inspired by the movie that you made. By the way, do you think Sanders in a movie is a hero? Not I would not say he's a hero. I I portray him as like kind of a cold uh guy who has not a lot of emotions, whatever. But he's doing the in a way he's doing the right thing. He corrects injustice and he goes after criminals. They otherwise can do whatever they want. And I think a very good scene is in the bus where where the three kids in a bus don't pay the ticket and he pays the ticket for them and tries to explain it to them because I felt that scene is very important to show that >> our society doesn't work if part of the society don't put anything in. You know like when nobody pays the bus ticket there are no more buses. That is what he basically tells them. So he paid the ticket for that. But you cannot as a citizen just expect that other people pay your bills that you do nothing in return and that's very simple and that but that's the idea of a lot of now also in America like this kind of more socialist communist also gets in Germany gets bigger and bigger the left party really communists have over 10% in Germany already so it's uh that this kind of like you know what we just take it we seize it like the mami like the mayor of New York we just Oh, that guy has 250 million bucks. We just take half of it. Otherwise, we the next step is now we charge the the building he has or whatever. But the next step would be we just seize it like we take it from his bank account. That that's all over the media. That's all over in universities where they teach this like you know what if somebody has too much we just sees it like otherwise incarceration that are the ideas from the left. you know, they're always flipping out of the ideas of the right-wing parties, but the left uh uh also in America, uh they have ideas, they would destroy everything what like America built or what like Europe built. You know, if you feel like if I make any money that that's the straight way to get shot and they take all my money away because then by accident I got rich and now I'm a piece of [ __ ] because I worked hard and got some money. That's the mentality that it gets bigger and bigger. That mentality gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And I got letters. I had a movie set up here in Germany and I got various letters from actors I hired before and they said based on this movie now they can never work with me again. So they came came in like two, three, four days ago and uh >> these are bigname actors. >> No, they were like good actors. Do you know them from TV shows? But I I'm not saying the names now, but they were booked basically for the show. I I I'm thinking about canceling that whole show now. And like, okay, then we do it another time. But um that's very frustrating you know when you when you feel like this kind of uh propaganda made people change this drastical way that they don't even know like you know that the human connection whatever you know it's it's it's unbelievable it's it's it's really like uh it goes in a wrong direction and I think this political radicalism in general general uh especially from the left um is going slowly out of control. You know, I had a whole discussion with a camel Harris fan and I I said, "Look, if you really believe in the borders are open, 8 million people coming into the US during the Biden time. >> Why is then when I land in New York City, I have to show my passport to somebody to a immigration officer for what?" I mean, if you think that doesn't matter anymore who goes in and out and all borders are open and you just open the south border and 8 million people from Latin America coming in, but why I then get tected down and tasered if I was just pass the immigration and would say I'm not showing anything anymore for what? So, and she said, "Yeah, good point. We should get rid of them." >> That was her reaction. But that's where we stand already. You know, it's crazy. >> Yeah. I mean a a part of this a part of this movie for me I I think you increase the tension of emotions so high so high the rage to want to seek vengeance because and and the way it is done like if if you watch the second Top Gun not the first one Maverick the second one if you watch it closely the one thing they did very interesting is they didn't tie the enemy to any country I don't know if you've seen Maverick the second one there is no country So you're not, it's not like Rocky for Drago is Russian. Hey, you know, if he can change and I can change, anybody can change. And he's kind of trying to bring USSR and US closer. The enemy was Russia, right? You watch some of these movies, you know who the enemy is. If you watch Gladiator, it's the ultimate revenge movie, but you don't get out hating a country. You get out hating Phoenix. And you know, Maximus is the hero. But when you watch this movie, Citizen vigilante, it is very clear the statements that Sanders makes, you know, I don't think your country send the best kind to us. That one line, >> you know, the the the post where the sister says she deserved it because the clothes she wore. Do you want me to take the post down? You know, the 14-year-old boy that raped with six or seven of his friends and then he says, "Call all your friends to come over." The scene is a very epic scene. I'm not going to call them. Five, four, three, two, call them. Call them. He calls him one by come over and bring everybody else. And then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. One, and then boom, boom, boom. >> Kills the that that is a very vicious scene. And then the the judge scene, which if you don't mind, if I have your permission to show you the scene from the judge, >> you know, the part where they're in the car >> and you know, he's like you you play he plays the clip, you know, the where where Sanders is showing the clip. You know which one I'm talking about. >> Yes. >> Uh, if you go to 22 seconds on this clip, I think it starts at 22 seconds. You're too bright. Go a little bit back. Okay. Watch this. I want the audience to see this. This is to set it up. Would you mind explaining this to the audience what's going on here before we play this clip? >> Yeah. So, that was the judge who actually let the rapists go, right? So, who basically didn't gave them uh real jail penalties. And then Sanders basically had the material from the press conference over this press statement he did and uh shows it to him during he kidnapped him, you know, to confront him with what he said basically. That's the clip. >> Yeah. And he puts heroin in his neck to get him to not be So he is in the car right now. The judge is to the right. Sanders is to the left. He's taking him somewhere and he plays this clip for him. Go for it. [snorts] Let's see what you have to say. >> Hi, this is all I have prepared and this is all what I'm going to say to you. >> Our politics failed to integrate teenage migrants into our society. I also didn't give them the help to function by our rules and our laws. The gang rape was in a way a cry for help and structure. Not only the young girl is the victim, they are also victims. Because in not only the victim, >> also the perpetrators getting traumatized. >> It doesn't help the young girl if they're getting locked up now and getting their normal life for a long time denied. >> That's all, gentlemen. >> That was you after letting a gang of rapists free. >> [snorts] >> You can pause it right there. I mean, look, I don't care where you are politically. You watch that, that generates rage away. That that gen and and by the way, was that based on a real life judge that did that that you depicted that individual? Yes, there was the judge from the Hamburg Fox Park case who said that you know and I felt in a movie fictional movie you can put that out you know you can say look that and it's my rage right it's it's like I wrote this with rage so I I felt like in what world I'm living now here that people get away with this and not getting fired. Like this judge, how can he be be still a judge? That's completely insane. And uh that has to get corrected. Like where's the honor of a judge? Like for what you have paragraphs with whatever bank robbery, 8 years, murder, lifelong prison. I mean for what is that written? If you can just completely ignore it and make this kind Yeah. Uh that's the thing, you know, and uh 14 years she was at the rape. So like at the trial than she was 15 or 16 years old. That's insane. It's all like that. It's disgusting. And uh we have to stop and also Muslims have to stop protecting perpetrators and criminals only because they're Muslims. That's not a question of any religion here. It has with nothing to do with religion. It has to do with this kind of no moral, no values. You know, if that's connected to religion, okay, but it's for me connected to uh you never learned what the the most simple rule I think in life is you don't do to others what you don't want that they do to you. So if you have that rule, you don't need basically any other rule. So but they never learned it. They learned like if you're weak, we can do whatever we want with you. And you don't deserve it because you're weak. And um that was the thing, you know, I saw so many times when I was still boxing that you had like this kind of like I have to say more like from the Arab countries, you had new people coming to boxing, they couldn't box at all. So they did a sparring and then they got heavily knocked out, beaten, and they were laughing their asses off. And I have to say I could never do something like this to people that cannot defend themselves. Only if they're movie critics in the ring in the but even there I was not really hitting them devastating. So but if you see this guy tries to learn to box, you don't beat him up and give him a concussion. But they were laughing at they loved it and felt like so and that's the that's also early learned by me. There is a different mentality to it and it's it's like there is no mercy. They feel good. Like when they beat up the video you show me with the with the kid like there were like four or five uh guys and they were like enjoying it to beating him up. Look, he's all alone. Now he's scared. Now we do this, now we do that. So that's the typical behavior. I saw that 100 times uh uh myself. And u I think that's disgusting. And I think like as I said, if you come in our countries uh and you show behavior like this, then you're not a fit. Then you need to get removed. >> Yeah. And they say in their own country, if they did it, they would be killed. They say that if they did that in their own country, they would get killed. But not in European countries. The story that you're talking about, the German gang who raped a 14-year-old girl and left her like a piece of meat spar jail. There's another one that says, you know, what happened with them with the 2020 Hamburg Park uh gang. By the way, nobody gave the name of Nobody gave the name of uh uh the judge. So, they don't even know who the judge was. Eight or nine people raped him and German woman given harsher sentence than rapist for calling him a pig. I mean, this is Do you think they realize if they keep doing this eventually, it won't be long till one of these countries experiences a revolution? I mean, you see what a Tommy Robinson is doing and he's just going out there trying to make some noise. But which, by the way, I think Tommy Robinson was just interviewed by Australian reporter. I don't know if you saw that one or not. He was with Carl Stefanov. If if you're familiar with him or not, Tommy was on Carl Stefanov. I think the Australian guy got fired right off the bat. So you see a Tommy Robinson in UK going out there making noise and people are showing up. Tens of thousands of people showing up and and that revolution hasn't happened yet. But if these guys don't fix it, especially UK having seven different prime ministers in the last 10 years, my worry truly my worry is and this is the conflict of the individual watching your movie. My worry is this movie is going to give birth to hundreds of Sanders around the world. Do you worry about that? >> Look, as a filmmaker, I cannot like I look the consequences of a movie if something happens I I whatever the JFK movie from Oliver Stone maybe opened everybody's new investigation and thinking about was it not the Harvey Oswald alone? Maybe that movie when that came out also changed in a way history. it ch a lot of people started thinking about that whole JFK backstory uh again and uh I think you make a good movie if you make your impact on society on thinking about stuff and maybe also uh leaving an imprint I would never say that I'm responsible for any violent acts people do because they watch the movie I think the problem makes them violent You know, if there's no problem, why they should get violence? I mean, the the people are so fed up by this completely ignorant politicians sitting in Europe and watching Starama, Macron, and Merittz living in a completely absurd parallel world to the society uh is not only in that migrant crisis and we can don't even want to start on the Ukraine war and stuff like this. It's uh it's insane. They completely don't do anything for their own population. Like nothing. They save everywhere money and go deeper in dep. But they're handing out money to everybody like worldwide and they say, "Look, we are the it it's all about how we standing there moral like like the on the good side of of history, you know, and whatever." And then it turns out Ukrainians blowed up our pipeline with Russia and damaged us 100 billion bucks and prosecution. No [ __ ] It were Ukrainians our best buddies. But why our best buddies blow up our pipeline, right? Because they're not our best buddies. So as an example, so it's totally absurd. You know, the biggest Bugatti like whatever dealer Bentley dealer is in Kiev. Why? Why all that money what we sent there? Hundreds of billions. Why not a lot of people like on the front lines in the Ukraine? They don't even have something to eat. Where's all that money? You know, so that that's that's the thing. It's like it's we see it left and right. I don't justify Putin's invasion of of uh Ukraine. He should never did that. But you also cannot have a blind eye of the total corruption in the Ukraine. It's completely corrupt. The whole country is completely corrupt. and they stealing left and right. That's the reason there are no elections uh to just stay in power. And as long as the war, as long as they could stay in power and scrap 20% of everything what comes in, it's that stuff. I mean, it's an endless loop about European politicians where you feel like you don't care about your own taxpayers. I mean, I pay all this stuff as a taxpayer, all this [ __ ] And uh I don't want to pay I don't want to uh put my money for governments. They just give it all away. I don't know if you ever saw the the only I think I have to go even to a different thing. I have a Reddit thing going. The thing is we paid bicycle lanes in Peru like Germany like tens of millions of dollars to build in Peru bicycle lanes you know and our schools falling apart or bridges don't get repaired and you think like what is wrong with you guys are you [ __ ] insane I mean that's really that the normal German person people like a lot of friends on from all different social classes I I have around me and we all together think they lost completely their mind in the last 8 years. It's basically I don't know what co all the vaccine did to their brains but they lost it. It's like completely over. You don't even know what what to talk about it anymore. And with the migration issue, you have it right in front of you. They're going in the middle through Frankfurt and say kill everybody who's here. And you say good for you. >> Oh, wait. Let me ask you. How much money did it cost you to make this? What was the amount that it cost you to make the movie? >> Only four million bucks. >> And how much have you made so far? How much has a movie made so far? >> That you have to ask Quiver Entertainment. They >> You don't know that. You don't know it yet. >> No, no, I get every half year in accounting and I hope I get my money back in half a year, right? So, but so, so far I basically didn't get any money back, but now slowly but steady with with other countries rolling it out. Um, >> has has Army committed has Army committed to Vigilante 2? >> Um, I didn't really talk with him about it. I said, "Look, that could be a franchise and I think we should do it." And um, but I have to talk more serious about it because as I said, right now I do a lot of like press and stuff, you know, I wrote down even ideas for the second part. I'm sure we do it. And if Army is not out of his mind, he of course comes back. >> And and has any other actors like big names, Mel Gibson, actors like that. Has anybody reached out and say, "Hey, this was very interesting. We'd love to work with you on something." >> U not Mel Gibson, but I would I mean maybe he's busy with shooting something. But he will love the movie. I I know Stallone will love the movie. His brother tweeted about it already. Stallone's brother loved it. I know the whole thing from Tala King, Guerrilla, Frank Gillo, James Roso, they all love the movie. Um, so um there there I know a lot of people in the industry uh left the movie. >> Is there anybody specifically you'd want to work with on the next project? Anyone specifically in mind? >> No, I saw like when uh what is her name? Gina Coralo. Like >> Gina Corano. Yep. >> Yeah. Corano. She twittered about it and said, "That's great. I love it. I would totally put her in that." >> Why? We'll put you guys in a group text. Are you in in touch with her or no? >> Uh, only via X. But if you if you know her personally, absolutely. >> Put you guys in a group text. I'll put you guys in a group text together. >> Yeah, it would be great. You know, I think she she had a uh she got cancelled unjustified and came back. She's a good actress and she would be kickass as uh I feel the second part should have a few guys, you know, maybe not only one person. >> I mean, listen, the the movie 90 I think 94 95% on Rotten Tomatoes by people and 8% by critics, which I always look at the people, not the critics, because I know what the critics's going to be saying. Last question before I wrap up is the following people said the following about citizen vigilante. Peter Branchaw from Guardian gave it a zero out of five. Todd Gilchrist from Variety gave it he said movie feels Russian more interested in pushing an idea than telling a compelling story. Sunonny Bunch from Bulwark gave it a one out of four star. And Nicholas Bell from Fish Jelly Films gave it a.5 out of five. Described an inept vigilante movie that amplifies xenophobia phobia. Would you be willing to fight every one of these guys who just called you out on citizen vigilante? >> Absolutely. >> Okay, great. [laughter] I'm sure they'll be reaching out, >> especially if I'm before the fight. Just read the review again and let's get ready. >> Yeah, that'd be great. Anyways, u uh congrats on the success with the movie. Very, very controversial, conflicted movie, but I had to watch it a couple times because the emotions the movie produces and uh I look forward to seeing Citizen Vigilante 2 as well here soon. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. Take care. Bye-bye. >> Bye-bye. 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