“The Towers Went Poof” - Dr. Judy Wood: 9/11, Twin Towers Collapse & Direct Energy Evidence | PBD

The book is titled Where Did the Towers Go? And it's very thorough, very detailed. What do you think happened to the towers? >> Ladies and gentlemen, >> this didn't look like a collapse. This doesn't make sense. Am I insane or is the rest of the world insane? >> So, what are you claiming? >> Energy was manipulated differently than what we've seen before. >> So, energy was essentially directed and used as a weapon. What they were doing is bringing in fresh dirt, putting it on the ground, stirring it around, taking it back out, bringing in more dirt. Oh, >> so you thinking they brought the dirt and the dirt wasn't there? >> I've got pictures of the the dirt trucks bringing dirt in. >> Maybe they're comfortable with this theory and >> it's not a theory. I just talk about evidence. >> What would be someone's motive to do what they did to 911? >> 911 was an attack on human consciousness. Since 9/11, people have not been thinking so clearly or so deeply. They hear something. Oh, okay. People don't know what they're looking at. This Bible is there. >> This Bible on the rock. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> The Bible didn't burn, >> right? And it has formerly liquid metal fused to the page. >> So, you're wondering how he put it up there? >> Oh, I'm not wondering. >> You know how he did it? >> Yeah. [Music] >> 30 seconds. Did you ever think you were supposed [Applause] >> The future looks bright. >> My handshake is better than anything I ever sign. It's right here. You are one of one. My son's right there. I think I said this before. [Music] >> So I think if you're like me, there's one event that we all remember we were at the last 30 years and that's 9/11. I remember where I was at and I was working at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. Uh I'm on the 8th floor Morgan Stanley Dean Witter Glendale and then all of a sudden news comes out. Oh my god, what's happening 911? First plane hit, second one we see hit live and then the rest of it chaos go home. It's insanity. Fast forward, we had 911. We celebrated the anniversary of it 4 days ago. Okay, which is now 24 years. It feels like it was yesterday, right? And as you go through this, it never gets old for me to want to keep learning more and more about what happened there. Most important thing is we got 2753 victims who are no longer with us of which 1653 have been identified. The other 1100 40% till today Dr. Judy Wood have not been identified. Right? So if that's my son, if it's that's my family friend, anybody that's emotionally connected to me, I want to find out what happened to him. So now fast forward today, today we have you on Dr. Judy Wood, your background when I look at your background. Okay. Uh you got a BS in civil engineering 1981 structural engineering uh masters in engineering mechanics applied physics then you got a PhD from Virginia Tech professor mechanical engineer and you've done a bunch of different things you know your research all these other things that you done forensic study over 40,000 images on 911 what happened to it and you have your own opinion on what happened there I've had Richard Gage on in the past before we've had certain guests on in the past that we got a strike for on YouTube 911 world treads under the towers. What happened to it? We got to strike for it. But with that being said, it's great to have you on the podcast today. >> Well, thanks. I'm glad to be here. >> Yes. And I think the audience who is also curious with this topic, our audience is generally very curious. Uh they want to know what you think about it. So, let me kind of walk through some of the options and you tell me what you think happened to World Trade Center. Maybe give a little bit about your background if you don't mind. >> I would like to start out by saying when something like this happens, something this big, there are always three narratives that come out. Please. >> The first one is the official story. >> Yep. >> Second one is the official conspiracy theory. Okay. >> Or a few alternatives. >> Third thing is the truth. And the best way to cover it up is to keep people arguing between the first two. Round and round and round. So they forget to look at the evidence. >> How you think we're at three yet or we're not there yet? >> Uh I've only looked at evidence. >> You've looked at evidence. >> That's all I look at is evidence. So then let me do this because for for all of us that are still trying to find out what happened to this, you know, this is just an event that happened all of a sudden. Boom. Let's move on. Don't worry about it. Don't look over there. Right? We've all seen the documentaries, the movies, all of it. So some say planes brought him down. Okay. Some claims of what people say. Number two is control demolition thermite. You've heard about this Richard G explosive. >> Three is missile military planes. Four is directed energy weapon, which is one of your claims. >> No. And I want to hear I want to hear I want to hear what you have to say. Then another one smaller one mini nuke hypothesis inside insurance job and structural weaknesses. What do you think happened to the towers? >> Well, if you would uh you know I keep people arguing around round about theories and if somebody doesn't have a theory, somebody assigns them one and um if you want to bring out the truth and somebody doesn't want to come out, what's the best way to cover up irrefutable evidence? Okay, >> you call it a theory and then you mutate it some and then uh oh, she talks about um space beams or uh talks about hurricane powering the space beams. They have various things that get propagated around the internet. Pretty soon people don't read my book and they don't even know what's in it, but they go that route. What what my book really is designed to do is to train people or >> I show the book so the audience don't. The book is titled where did the towers go? Okay. And it's very thorough, very detailed. So, you know, >> it's empirical evidence, >> right? Empirical evidence. So, maybe walk through, you know, what you think happened there. Just assume no one's heard you lecture on this before. Walk me through what you believe happened there. >> But it is important to uh realize that people tend to jump on whatever they hear first. They don't know the difference between evidence and and conspiracy theory. they don't know what how to sort through it. And what I'd often when I would you know be teaching experimental work is to stress to the students collect all the all the data you can. You don't have to use it all but you can't use data you don't have. So okay let's let's look at everything and maybe it means something maybe it doesn't. Just because I have collected doesn't mean it's connected to this that and the other and look at phenomenons that you understand and ones you don't. Another way of blinding yourself, sort of a double blind study, just to look at reality rather than immediately jumping to a conclusion. >> If you saw a hazy environment above the ground, a lot of people call it smoke. Well, then you're already assuming fire is the cause, >> but that's biasing your observation. So, let's bring up a new vocabulary. I call it fumes. Could be chemical fumes, could be uh particulate, you who knows it. It's not defined just like dustification. Um let's see. A lot of people say it's it's evaporation. Well, evaporation applies high heat. We don't have proof of that. Uh crushing or or uh pulverization. That's that's a mechanical force. They're making assumptions with those words. So if we start out with a new vocabulary, we can observe the physical phenomena going on. >> Okay? and and that really helps to see what is there. Uh, one one short story I'd like to uh put out is early on I had an artist write to me so delighted that somebody was talking about what happened and he explained why he could see it. He said in art class the teacher taught him this discipline of seeing what's there by having like a a wooden shelf where you couldn't see your hands and drawing under that wooden shelf. Draw what's over there but you can't see your hands. So you have to look at the image and what distance do I pick up the pencil and put it back down. So you see the relationship of everything in the picture instead of just assuming what and I thought that was brilliant. It's it's a neat discipline. So uh to be able to do that with making observations that's why I come up with this vocabulary like um Cheetos uh tortilla chips. you aren't going to confuse the debris with food and but it it you know >> can we do this because I want I want to make I want to organize you is what I want to do because when you're you're a genius like you your brain is all over the place my job is to try to deliver your message to a sixth grader >> where they walk away and you're you're speaking right now so far as if you're speaking to your own audience. >> So don't worry about the a don't even look at your notes. I want to get the information from you. Don't look at your notes. I want you to be with me. You're speaking to a regular audience that's not out of your community. Yeah. These are regular people like me. They don't have the degrees. They haven't gone and done the uh uh applying your expertise in material science image analysis in infer infometry to a forensic study of over 40,000 images, hundreds of video clips, a large volume of witness testimony, analysis of dust samples, uh seismic data, and the analysis of other environmental evidence painting to the destruction of the world trade center and the complex. People haven't done that. the average person hasn't gone and filed a suit uh against the NIST contractors right where alleging scientific fraud in the world trades and investigation later on the case was dismissed but the second circuit affirmed and the US Supreme Court docket shows your petition which is the number 09/548 the average person hasn't gone that far to find the truth what I want you to do is maybe walk us through simply >> 911 world trade center happens okay a person like yourself where your background is in what you do. What was your initial reaction, when did you become curious to want to investigate your own thing and what were some of the things that happened afterwards? >> Okay. Thanks. The the thing that I'm trying to emphasize is most people when they see something Yeah. >> they may not see what's really there. >> How do you get yourself to to see what is >> Can you stay with me and and just stay with me just to me? >> Yeah. That's what this is what's in the picture. I get that. What I'm saying to you is you're speaking to a regular audience. Dr. Judy, I want you to think I just asked you. 9/11 happened 2001. The world says, "Oh my god, weapons of mass destruction were attacked. George Bush, we're going. I'm going to join the military." Right. >> Okay. >> What was the first reaction you had when you saw World Trade Center happened? >> What was your first reaction from your lens? How you view it? >> This doesn't make sense. I was in the the faculty conference room. They're showing this video on the TV set. >> Yep. >> I looked at it and went, you know, they they called it a collapse and I'm thinking, what does a collapse look like? >> It was kind of kind of like a avalanche. You know, this part gets going and it gets this part going more and more and more and pretty soon the whole thing's going. It doesn't go one, two, three, poof. This didn't look like a collapse. It's it's squirting up and out. It looks more like a drinking fountain, you know, bubbler. And I looked around the the faculty conference room and uh kind of like you guys aren't buying this. They look like what kind of a wacko did we hire? That was a very weird feeling. Am I insane or is the rest of the world insane? >> So this is what you're tell this is what all of us saw. >> Yep. That and you can follow some of those pieces coming down and they dissolve before they hit the ground. The traffic lights you can still see. >> Can you go from the beginning, Rob? The first 10 seconds. So this is where a Richard Gage and many from his community will say this was an explosion thermite, right? instead of maybe other claims. You're seeing this. You say, "I don't believe what they're saying." What next necessary steps do you take to get to your conclusion? >> It It's not a collapse. A collapse is a kinetic energy driving it. You know, you have something slamming to the ground. All right, let's go look at the seismic signal. If If all that building got cut up by bombs or gravity collapsed, it's going to be whacking to the ground. There is no discernable S or P wave in the seismic signal. Only a surface wave, which is what you get like when you get off your mattress in the morning. It recovers. Your weight comes back up. There's no impact like hitting a tuning fork or you know snap a rubber band. That that's a what the Pwave should be. And it's the first signal to arrive at the seismic station followed by the S-wave. And the delay of those two is how they calculate the distance from the epicenter. I think people have heard that a lot. But there was no S-wave or Pwave. The signal did not travel through the earth. There was only a surface wave. And the surface wave was was not appropriate size. It was very small magnitude. Uh comparing to like to the King Dome and some other things. Kingd dome is is uh like 130th. That's 3030th but made equal or more of a seismic signal or of the equivalent on the richter scale they calculate by the surface wave. So using the surface wave of the towers compared to the surface wave of the kingdom it was the same the the towers were the same or less. >> So what does that mean to you? >> Uh something isn't right here. if the and then you later realize if King Kong picked up the towers, chucked them into outer space, it would do the same thing with a surface wave because the weight was coming off the ground and the and the surface was bouncing back up like you get off your mattress in the morning. So, uh, with with if you had bombs in the building or gravity collapse, whatever, that stuff's going to this stuff's going to hit the pavement. Well, let's go look at what's out there. What? No debris. There's uh vehicles parked at street level that are there after the towers go poof. See, I don't use the word collapse. That's that's got message to it. I say go poof. It went away. The towers went it went poof. Um couple hours later, uh there's a picture I have of uh an ambulance parked in front of tower one. It's right at street level. Yeah, there's some stuff here and there, but nothing what you expect. And some people say, well, um, you know, exploded outward and got shot out. Well, then the adjacent buildings kind should look kind of machine gun fired. >> They don't. >> You talking about the you talking about the um which building is that? You're talking about the uh banker trust building. >> Oh, all of them around. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. If you got these towers and squash them down like you're stepping on a soda pop can to collapse it. There's there's stuff inside that would have would or if you have explosions inside they're launching stuff outward because if it's not there when the towers are gone where to go to dust. Almost all the building turned to dust. >> And that's the phrase you use is dustification. >> Yep. We need a word for that. >> Okay. So, what causes the event of dustification to happen? Well, you you know, you look at lots of different pieces of evidence, but you start realizing that um the the pieces broke down more and more. There's a picture of a of a guy coming home. It's between the the south tower was the first to go poof. Then the north tower went poof. Halfway between those two at 10:15, you can see the clock behind the guy. Guy's walking down the street, dust all over the place, perfectly clear from his knees up, but from his knees down is this haze. That's how could that fine of dust settle out of the air in that amount of time? And I realized and it's consistent with other images that coarse dust landed and then turned into fine dust. >> Okay? >> And then you know stayed uh you know a loft for for a long period of time. So there's some kind of mechanisms that's causing the material to come apart more and more and more down the atom down to the atomic level. What causes that to happen? >> Well, let's first look at just the evidence. It's hard to jump from there to the conclusion. And you start looking at more and more things. And um what I have in here is evidence, direct evidence and parallel evidence. Parallel evidence is like a tornado. Let's look at what tornadoes do. Um the my favorite picture is is uh this one or video is this tornado in Texas about 10 years ago. The roof has gone off his house, but the the top floor, the computer paper is neatly stacked up, untouched big screen television. How does that happen? It wasn't wind that did that. And and um other parts you've seen tornadoes that just something totally is destroyed. There's some kind of a mechanism that a field effect that causes this. You can't tell me when did that. >> Okay. So, let's do this. When did you write this book? 15 years ago, right? 2010, I want to say. >> Well, before that, actually, that contains the evidence that was submitted in the federal key case. But I put it in a more organized fashion. >> Okay. But when was this published? Is it 2010? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, that's 15 years ago, right? >> Mhm. >> And when did you start researching what happened to 911? When did you fully take a deep dive saying, "I want to find out what happened to you?" um the deep dive. Well, I thought at first that the grown-ups were going to take care of it. I was naive. And um then there's also the involvement of the 2000 election. They said they were going to fix it next time. They couldn't fix this one. And in the 2004 election, it was even worse. I went, "Well, the grown-ups didn't fix that. They're not going to fix this 911 problem. Somebody's got to do it." >> So, when'd you start? Four. 04. >> Yeah. Yep. >> Okay. So, let's say 2004. 2000. If I was to get obsessed and my background, if I am a, you know, bachelor's in civil engineering, a masters in engineering mechanics, applied physics, PhD in material engineering science, this is your world, right? And that's in 1992 when you got your PhD, which is nine years before 911. So it's peak of the peak of the peak, right? Things that you've done >> and all of a sudden 911 happens till 04, nothing takes place. Election, you know, Al Gore, Bush, all right, they're not going to touch this either. Let me go investigate this. You do six years, you write this book, then you put this in the world. And I'm assuming probably hundreds of thousands of copies have been sold. People have read this all over the world, right? When you write a book like this, you're going to get feedback from others who are going to question you. That's not true. This is this people from the FBI are going to reach you. Insider is going to reach you. Other engineers are going to reach out to you. People that were internally who lost a family or relative. I'm assuming you've gotten thousands and thousands of emails over the years, right, of people that want to reach out to you. Then this becomes a question. From 2010 that you wrote it till today, okay, these are your claims. Where did the towers go? Poof. Justification. Have you made any progress on what you believe actually caused the 911 events, the World Trade Center towers going down? Have you come to a conclusion? Well, it was energy was was uh instructed to do something differently than we've normally seen before and and and um >> so energy was essentially directed and used as a weapon. >> Well, I I won't get into exactly the motives behind it, but but uh energy was manipulated differently than what we've seen before. Like nobody's really taking apart a tornado and seen exactly what that does. Let's say somebody weaponized a tornado, okay? uh there's just you know looking at the mechanism rather than you know the device I don't get into uh the serial number of the parts that went into it or what the operator had for breakfast or details like that but physically what happened there's there's another technology out there that people aren't familiar with and why the subtitle of my book is what it is is u uh let's consider uh Hiroshima August 6 1945 >> the evidence of what happened that day was evidence of a technology that could be used for nuclear power plants. So let's look at the silver lining in the cloud and let's use it for good. >> Make you know nuclear power plants. That is not to say nuclear power plants destroyed Hiroshima. What happened on 911 is evidence of a technology that could be used for free energy. That what what this thing was capable of is is amazing to truly amazing. Imagine turning this uh 500,000 ton building to dust in midair. Most of it to dust in midair, having it all come apart, all the the uh molecular bonds and atomic bonds coming apart. That's pretty impressive. Like, okay, what if somebody goes oops and and does it the wrong way? There goes the planet. And actually, as it was, there was evidence that this process continued. And Banker's Trust is an example. They repaired it, but it was infected and kept going this process. So, they end up taking it apart four years later. >> So, I know you're not comfortable using the weapon using the phrase directed energy weapon, but let's just use directed energy. Let's set aside the word weapon to use directed energy. Say I'm somebody that has unlimited resources. I have money and I wanted to be able to use directed energy to make something justified. Let's just use that as a word. How much money would I need to have to be able to use a technology to do so? >> Well, go visit John Hutcherson. He can show you. John Hutcherson did it as, you know, just a fun thing to do. >> That's right. >> And >> and I'm aware of that. >> Yeah. Actually, when I was looking at all the the uh evidence of all these these different quirks, you know, that were going on, I happened upon this person's uh Facebook and I saw these pictures went, "Oh my gosh, that's that's the same um type of thing to that that happened on 911." So then I got into it more and went and you know visited him. >> And how he does it is create a static field. uh he used to use a a Tesla coil but then um or vandagramraphph generator now I think he use a Tesla coil or the other way around and then interfere radio frequency signals and it's a square wave or sinosoidal wave the wave shape is important and interfering those in a particular place weird things happen now he isn't real u I guess meticulous it's like let's have fun let's turn this thing on and but weird things happen you get levitation or you get disruption Uh, in other words, the uh material would would levitate or it would come apart. And you see on 911 upside down cars, they aren't toasted. Upright ones are toasted. It It's like, >> what do you mean upside down cars? >> Cars parked with the wheels in the air. Those cars that are parked, you know, they're on the roof with the wheels in the air. You don't think that can happen by things dropping and hitting it and causing it to flip and ends up being on the back. >> A block away. >> It's a block I can't see that happen a block away. That that that there is when when you have cuz there's a couple things I did. I the Hutcherson fan when he did this in 1979. This is the levitation of objects, metal bending or fracturing. And >> there's even that example of that one uh uh cast iron, >> right? That just kind of starts Rob. I don't know if you have that clip or not with cast iron and just kind of starts bending and then all of a sudden it collapsed. Right. If you want to pull that out >> and it was cold to the touch. In other words, the energy came out of the material. It was cold to the touch. >> Afterwards, it was cold to the touch. Interesting. >> Brandon has that clip. And Brandon, you want to That's the one right there. Third one. Rob. Yeah, that's the one right there. So, is this is if you want to maybe tell the audience what they're looking at right now. This is an example of >> the field effects. interfere different fields. It fields of um uh static field with with um a radio frequency signal. And and this happens. >> And this is iron. >> Yeah. >> And Rob, if you can because this is going to take a while to go through it. If you want to fast forward a little bit. >> And notice the fumes coming out of it. >> Right there. Stop it. Yeah. Right there. >> You see how fumes are puffing out of the top of it? >> And then boom. Okay. Well, when you see that, one would say that's not what happened to World Trade Center. World Trade Center just flat out came down. >> Well, th this is a small amount. >> I get that. But look what happens to it if we're talking about, >> you know, directed. >> It crumbled a little bit afterwards, but it isn't completely like I said, he would experiment with trying this and that and the other. Uh, and sometimes he would get levitation. One thing that was interesting, he has a toy boat on some water and he has his gizmo on. The water's jumping up and you can tell when he turns the gizmo off and then the boat appears to catch fire right after he turns the g the power off >> and he doesn't know why. >> Uh it it's you know knowing why is a a next step. Um but there's people that were experimenting with lifters and when they turn the gizmo off they catch fire. >> Okay so >> it's like something that builds up. >> So this this the one question led to this. The first question I ask you is if I had unlimited resources, how much would it take for me to be able to do this? Right. And you said ask Hutchinson. Okay. With what he did? >> No. Go visit Go visit him because you go visit him and then you you know that's free. >> There's a difference between doing to something this big versus doing it to a World Trade Center >> causing him to come down and doing it on the international scale while everybody's not working home watching it live. If you haven't tested this before and you screw it up, the world's going to be like, "Who was behind this?" Right? So, if you're gonna test directed energy, you you would have had to test it 10 20 times on smaller buildings to make sure you're ready that you do it on the national scale with all the CBS, ABCs, NBC. Everybody's watching it. You don't look like a clown. So, to me, in order to test it at that level, don't you have to have tested it before in smaller buildings? And there there are very suspicious things that have happened in time before that. But uh the important thing again to remember is the average person doesn't know what they're looking at. And that's the impressive thing about this this trick was that the entire planet watched this happen, but they don't know what they're looking at. So they can be told something else and and they'll just buy it. They don't understand what this is. >> No, I know that. But what I'm saying is if I'm researching this, like here's what I did. I went online and I said, "Okay, have we had any?" And by the way, there's a follow-up question to this. I went online and said, "Have we had any directed energy weapons being used in the history of mankind?" Rob, if you want to ask this question on Chad GBT, see what comes up. There was even one as recent as Israel that did it this year in 2025 with a drone. But if you look at the three three things comes up laser weapon systems uh aboard USS Pon the Navy okay that we had in 2014 in the Persian Gulf >> and this system engage in test targets including UAV drones and small boats and was authorized for self-defense use. >> Well I've only read about uh slingshots BB guns and bow and arrows. So it's got to be one of those. You know in other words people only look within their repertoire. They don't observe. And if they're told that it hasn't been used before, then okay, it has been used. >> Yeah, but that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I went and looked to see what's been used. So that's one of them. The other one was the Turkeykey's uh Alka system in Libya in 2019, which is six years ago. >> Um let me disclose to you uh that I contacted the directed energy directorate with >> no in the US >> and >> and showing this evidence and saying uh is somebody in your outfit doing this? Oh, we don't have no idea what what that is and we wouldn't be able to explain it. Of course, that's what they're going to say publicly, but they didn't say you're wacko for suggesting that. >> I don't think the average person would call you wacko, though. I don't think the average person would call wacko. And the last one I pulled up is the the one in Turkey was a hybrid electromagnetic laser system that they claimed to have not shown have shot down a Chinese-made Wingong uh UAV in Mistra, Libya. Uh >> did you look at the Oklahoma City? Look at the roof. if it's got cylindrical holes in it. How did that happen with a with a uh a spherical bomb? >> So, how do you think it happened? >> I I look at just look at the pattern of it. A cylindrical is what you're talking about there. >> I mean, or it's if you look at the image from the roof of um for uh >> Can you do roof image, Rob? Oklahoma bombing and just go roof image. >> It's got it's got like scallop cylindrical holes. Actually, when I first saw uh building six at the World Trade Center, I thought that was the Oklahoma City building and I got the two confused because they look very similar. There's just one story difference in height. Otherwise, they they look very similar. >> P Mora. So, if you go what uh is that a good view for you right there? >> Uh not it's not as good as some of the ones I had on my website. >> Okay. Is it still on your website? >> Um hidden. I I wouldn't be able to find it because it's, you know, years ago it was stashed in there, but you look at it in the scallop shaped cutouts in the roof. >> So, what are you claiming when you see that? What What are you speculating? >> When when I But I would don't buy the story that that a bomb parked next to it on the street, which would be a spherical, you know, shaped uh wave is going to make cylindrical cutouts in the building. >> Okay, >> that doesn't make sense. Also, there are toasted cars in the block away from Oklahoma City. Cars just appear to go into spontaneous combustion. That's after it's been smoothed out. >> Okay. So, you're saying that what what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to say, okay, in order for this directed energy weapon allegedly to have been used on the World Trade Center that had to have been tested before, for example, what do you think is more powerful? This or a nuclear bomb? >> This. >> Tell me why. >> You destroyed the entire planet >> with this. >> Yeah. It it might not be able to stop it. And that's another thing that scares me. The first time uh the the nuclear bomb was tested, the scientists did not know if it was self- quenching. They're willing to try it because if they kept going, there goes the planet. They did not know if it was self- quenching. >> In other words, they're willing to experiment on the planet. >> And that's why this is so scary. And what happened with banker's trust that continued to disintegrate as time went on and they finally unbuilt it. They took it down piece by piece. >> Okay. But but they did test the nuclear weapon, right? There was an original test >> that took place that the world knew about that people in the military knew about, right? >> If >> do you do you know about every top secret project? I don't know every top secret project, but I do know if the government at the highest level was trying to use directed energy weapon to bring down the World Trade Center, they would have had to test it somewhere before to not look like idiots in the global, you know, marketplace to see. So, if that's the case where, let's just say, let's put it and say it happened. Great. I want to know how did you do it to get to a point where you're comfortable with a million cameras on you that you're going to nail it and convince the world that no was a plane that brought it in. >> It's not my crime. I didn't I didn't plan it. >> What does that mean? >> I I didn't plan 911. I I didn't >> I know. But you wrote about it. You're the one that wrote a book called Where Did the Towers? >> I'm writing what the evidence shows. >> Okay. So, I'm asking you a question because you've spent more time on this than me. What I >> Yeah. I'm I'm talking about the physical phenomena, not who did what, to whom when. But that would be what I would go to investigate. I would want to know if this happened if if we have and by the way I want to consider it as because the way my mind works is if a crime is done one by one by one my job is to eliminate if I got seven people here that are claiming one of these seven killed that family one by one by one. I want to go through all of them. I don't want to leave any one of them to chance. Okay? Cuz then I'm going to be like unusual suspect. So, and I don't want to be the guy that he walks up. >> Well, see, I don't know the serial number of the of the product. I don't think it even got reg. I'm not asking about the serial number, Dr. Judy. Respectfully, what I'm asking you is for the government to be able to launch something like this on the global scale and fool everybody. They have had to have tested this before. >> So, but you're acting like you need a a blueprint of of the design of something. I'm saying what on this level of what got done. It couldn't, you know, it couldn't have been kinetic energy. Okay. >> It couldn't have been thermal energy. >> All right. >> You know, there were 14 people that walked out of stairway B after the building went away. >> I do know that >> they weren't crushed. They weren't burned up. And there were two people above that that even survived just riding the wave down. And one guy went home at night. You know, his wife was shocked. >> So, what do you think? Why do you think died there? Uh that there was something that did not crush people. >> Okay. >> It didn't cook him to death. >> So, that eliminates about every uh weapon that's known. Isn't there a possibility that some areas of it like you know when I was in Iran and we would have things that would happen or the bombing they would say go hide under the stairs it's the safest place you could be right sometimes you could get lucky sometimes you could get very lucky and you could make it things do happen plane crashes happen 99 people die and one person makes it and you spend the rest of your life telling that story Titanic there was a lot of survivors how many people died a lot of people died but there was a few survivors that we they made movies about it right that we read about Pascal Bazelli survived when the building around him didn't. He was he was the building around him was gone. He was they call him the surfer >> that Yeah. He came down without the building around him. Um but uh you know if it's not a kinetic energy weapon and not a thermal energy weapon. 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So, if that's the case, how long did it take to clean up all the mess that was left from the 9/11 from from the World Trade Center coming out? >> Mean the dust? Well, I if if you're if it's dust, it would take a week or two to clean up. >> Oh, no. It's it's down the eastern seabboard. It's down into uh Delaware. It would it was getting deposited >> the dust. >> Yes, >> I know. But would there physical items that they had to clean up? >> There weren't big items. >> So then why did it take 40,000 people, construction workers, firefighters, police engineers, >> and 1.8 8 million tons of debris and rubble and steel to remove. >> There were from what I saw and I actually went there and saw it the the um mechanism or whatever the the effect it got initiated and it wasn't self quenching. It kept going and going and going going. What they were doing is bringing in fresh dirt, putting it down the ground, stirring it around, taking it back out, bringing in more dirt. Well, >> so you're thinking they brought the dirt and the dirt wasn't there? >> I've got pictures of the the dirt trucks bringing dirt in. Yeah. And that can be manipulated because that could be them taking a dirt out and it looks like they're bringing it in. That that that could be a way for someone again. I am I am going to play the the to be super speculative of this. >> Okay. >> Because that that's I think that's fair to the audience for me to ask some of these questions to get to the bottom of it because if it did happen, man, we got some work to do to go find out what happened with this thing here, right? Cuz >> it's really weird. I was there physically in person and visiting it several years later and uh they had those gates where they let the trucks in and out and they don't want anybody around there to be able to, you know, take pictures inside. And I see that something's going to happen. Okay, get the camera ready. The uh gate opens up. The guy drives out, drives up Liberty Street, oh just past the 10 and 10 firehouse and stops. He slides out the passenger side. another driver hops in the driver's side and and continues on. In other words, the guy who was taking them in and out of the um the site was not the one that that drove it off someplace. Thought that was pretty interesting. >> Okay. >> But there there's a whole lot of just information like that, but what becomes important is physically what's going on and be able to to see. You don't need to have the answer to see that something weird is going on with the material. The material is constantly breaking down. I I I think something weird happened. I just don't know what the weird thing is. I do think something weird happened on 911. I don't trust that just a building flew in and then boom, it goes down because case study doesn't give the individuals who believe in that credibility. It doesn't. >> Yeah. Airplanes. People like to argue about airplanes. I think that was the emotional attachment they gave people to to giving a reason for what happened to the buildings >> to gay pe to gay people. >> No. No. To get people to get you know, to get to get them to attach to it, you know, to uh their emotions. >> I thought you were going to drop a new like a gay airline or something. I don't want to start rumors now. So, you're saying to get people, not gay people, right? To get people. My apologies. Yeah. >> To get people to Yeah, I can see how it sounds like that. I'll slow down. Uh, I'll slow down. To get people uh an answer or something they can attach to. Oh, that's what they need a reason why the buildings went poof. >> Oh, I saw that airplane, so therefore that did it. And some people argue for airplanes. Some of you will argue against airplanes and what I like to say is airplanes can't turn buildings to dust in midair. >> Yeah, I don't believe that. >> Real real airplanes can't and neither can fake airplanes. So there's no point in talking about the the airplane issue because that's just a distraction away from what is actually happening. >> You you know you know how I in the craziest way how I process this. Why did they take the Richard Gage interview down? Why? I don't know. And by the way, I pushed them. Why did they take it down? I don't know. You know why? If this stays up, maybe they're comfortable with this theory >> and not >> it's not a theory. I just talk about evidence. That's why, you know, I can't give you the serial numbers of it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, did you ever investigate to see if there was any other any of these directed energy experiments taking place at mass levels? >> I I didn't need to because of something that happened over there. That doesn't conclude what happened here. I'm looking at what happened here. >> Yeah. But if you want to buy this house, the real estate agent's going to look at the surrounding houses to get a comp to say how much this house is worth. It's called comps. So if I got a case like this, they'll say, you know, this reminds me of the Ro v way. This reminds me of such and such case. This reminds me of such and such case. Why do they do that? >> This is a physical phenomenon. This is a physical phenomenon. You can't >> This has never happened before. >> Maybe it has. And there's there's like I say there's other places I could question but there's so much information about this one. I know what happened with this one. Um you know there's characteristics that you start you know seeing that you would recognize again like if you uh understand what happened at the World Trade Center and then you look at the Pentagon you go oh I've seen that before. uh I didn't need to investigate the Pentagon so much but there be it's there's not as much evidence I mean uh information available because it's you know secure location but uh with the World Trade Center because they had this public document there you know this report and so forth it had to be public the information >> so I just went online and I typed what is that Rob >> that's the Pentagon on 911 >> oh okay got it >> you know it's it has the questions of its own but I just I didn't need get into other >> let's stay let's let's stay on 911. So when I when I look at so I typed in how many movies have used directed energy weapons before in the past just movies >> because sometimes the way I see movies is movies are you know >> addictive >> yeah 30 years before right typically before something happens they'll drop it in movies and they'll get us ready to say this is coming soon relax it's going to be okay oh 30 years later we're going to make robots you're going to own them 10 to $30,000 you're going to be fine all right I got 72 robots as employees now hey Johnny hi Rob how are you what's your day looking like? You know, and then we're just Yeah, they told us in movies I Robots is coming. So, it's finally here. So, >> there's actually one that I that somebody sent me a link to uh where I don't know what it was called, not Pink Panther, but something like that where where they used gizmos that dustified a building. >> Oh, trust me. I've I've seen them in movies. So, >> so there you go. So, you have one with Star Wars iconic blaster, Death Star, Super Laser. Okay. Kind of cool. Uh, Star Trek has phrases phasers as DEWs. Okay. Uh, the day Earth stood still. Clatus robot Gort uses a disintegration beam. War of the Worlds. There's a new one as well that they did 20 years ago, but Martian heat rays devastate cities. Fantastic Voyage 66, laser scalpel used inside a human body. Flash, Gordon, and Tron use beams as weapons. Ghostbusters, Proton packs as quasi DEW. Then you got Independence Day, alien ships fire massive city destroying beams, starship troopers, plasma weapons and interstellar combat, fifth element, energy rifles, and alien tech. I mean, you can see in movies these things have been used. And if they've been used in movies, I believe this exists. I don't think this is like something that's out of the ordinary. So, I'm not speculating that they exist. >> Would you believe it's top secret? could be. I do >> that. >> The response I got back from from the directed energy director, it kind of was hinting that way like we're not going to talk about it. It's just like I don't know. We don't do we don't do that. >> I don't know about that. I I don't I don't know about that because I if if >> they can't disclose it. >> I know they can't disclose it. But to me, if there's eight and a half months it took to clean up 1.8 8 million tons of rubble and steel and they needed 40,000 workers to clean it up. Where is the justification? >> So, you're assuming it's a normal site. You're assuming it's a normal a normal site with normal debris. >> What's an abnormal site? >> Um, if if people spent that long cleaning it up? >> Yeah. >> What are they cleaning up? Um, I've got photos from the afternoon.8 million tons of rubble and steel and >> No, they're they calculate what went into building the buildings. That's the ingredients of what went into the buildings. So, they say, "Well, we hauled out that much debris." >> Mhm. >> There's no I wouldn't see a receipt for it. There isn't any. I And I saw pictures on 911 where on West Street there, dust that tall, you there's no junk. You could essentially drive your vehicle down. >> So you don't believe there was eight and a half months of 40,000 people volunteering to clean up all the >> Oh, they were doing stuff. Yeah. They there were like the bucket brigade and and whatnot, but it wasn't material that much material being taken out. There's a lot of dirt going out. >> You think it was just dirt? >> Can you find a clip of what they were cleaning up? I'm actually Now, now you got me curious. Clips of workers cleaning up >> World Trade Center. Do you have any clips of it of them doing that? >> There was bucket brigades taking stuff out carefully in case there was a body in there. >> Let's see if I can find um >> if you type in like 911 cleanup. Is there 911 click? I have here's one I just found. Rob, is that okay? So that's 911 cleanup. What is that? That's not dust. If you want to look at that, Dr. June. >> Yeah, that's not 110 stories worth of material. >> So what do you think it is? Uh, think of a game of pickup sticks where you have a pile there and if if they're really standing up and you you try to make them look like they're more, but >> so you think they're manipulating. >> Okay, this this picture is right after 9/11. >> Let me see it. >> That one over there. And that's ground level. That's the plaza and the that globe that was in the middle of the plaza. Okay. >> There's some holes in the ground, but that's that's the patio level the at the of the plaza. >> Okay. So, what was the temperature when all this stuff was coming down? >> Actually, um uh folks who were running through it said that the dust was actually cooler than ambient temperature. It burned like acid burns, but it was cooler than ambient temperature, which I thought was kind of weird. >> Okay. So, >> lot of strange and and uh this is a good one. Where did uh building four go? That's one of my favorite ones. A wall is gone. And the the level right underneath it where the mall was is still intact. Roadrunner survived. There's a Warner Brothers store there with Roadrunner in it. It didn't get crushed. >> I want to know who built that structure, right? That's who I want to hire. That's >> uh right. Right. >> So, what's this Rob? What do you have here? That's Roadrunner. >> No, that's the the remaining um wing of the north part of building four. Here's um here's building four here. >> And where my figure shows, that's what you're seeing. It's just that block above. >> Uh yeah, that's just that's just uh this part, but this whole part went missing. >> Okay. >> The big the large part. And that's what you see here where I dashed it in. >> What what things could make those things go missing? A >> tornado. a tornado. >> Yeah. >> Uh, another thing I like to to point out is static electricity was discovered in the year 600 BC. Okay. >> So, we're told in our in our books, >> but do you believe it took them 2400 more years to discover electricity? How many times was it discovered and undiscovered and whatnot? And still uh we don't really learn about what tornadoes are as a general public, but obviously it isn't just like a vacuum cleaner. There's a there's a different kind of process, electromagnetic process going on. >> Okay. Well, let me ask you before we came up, you said something about flat earth. What what is what is your thought on flat earth? >> I I think uh the northern um uh Royal Albatross had it figured out before humans were even around, >> which is what what did he figure out? um that you fly east, you keep flying east and you get back home. You leave home flying east and when they have their nests um the southern part of uh New Zealand and also off the coast of the Chattam Islands in that little island and when the babies uh fledge they fly east and they hang out off the coast of of Chile about five years till they grow up and then they fly east again and keep going till they get back home. They know exactly where their nest was that they came from. So what does that mean? >> Um they don't turn around and go back. >> So it's not flat, >> right? >> Okay, that's good. So you don't believe that flat, >> right? They could do laps around there. >> Okay, that's great. Yeah, we like that. We like the fact that we do laps. >> There there was one last year that baby that didn't stop very long in in South America. After a month, he kept going and he made it as far as Tasmania, almost to New Zealand when his his uh thing fell off. They have a GPS uh gizmo that's that with a solar panel on it. Yeah. They glue it to the feathers, but when they mol it comes off. >> They have a longer term one that they put around their ankles. But but this one was cool. Like go boy, go. Yeah. >> You literally track where he's at. >> Yeah. He almost made a complete lap around the the planet. >> Wow. >> They can go across the the Pacific in about one or two weeks. >> What a great time. >> Frequent fly miles. >> Being a burden just kind of traveling and relaxing. They don't flap their wings. No, they sleep >> when when they leave um their nest. They don't touch solid ground for another five years. >> They may land on the water, but they um they don't land on solid ground. >> So, they sleep while flying. >> Yeah. And like they they they don't flap, they they soar. >> Wow. Most people can't fly and have a hard time sleeping. These guys sleep while they're flying. >> That's some major respect for them to be able to do something like that. So, what are we gonna do with this? Okay. What what if if you wanted to say motivation, I'm actually curious where you're going to go with this. What would be someone's motive to do what they did to 911? Who would be the people that would want to bring down the World Trade Center? >> Well, I'm not one of them, but I can look at what's happened since then. >> Okay. >> You know, see the the uh effects. Um, one thing that really bugged me after 911 was we had all these flying spy gizmos being put out and and spy cameras everywhere. People wouldn't have put up with that without 911. But the biggest thing that I would like the the viewer to understand is that 911 was an attack on human consciousness. Since 911, people have not been thinking so clearly or so deeply. They just kind of go along nod nong and they hear something. Oh, okay. and and we need to get back to that. It's like um a degradation of our culture. And that's sort of what one of the big aims of my book is going through this evidence and teaching people to observe what they're seeing, not what they're being told to see. >> Wow. >> It's a big deal. Um I've got this cute story probably heard about Jack Williams. The very first uh jet airplane, P-59, >> um was flown by Jack Williams. When they had it on the ground, >> Jack Williams, >> Williams, W l a ms. When when they had on the ground to hide this top secret technology, they put a fake propeller on it. And the propeller kind of looked like some boards off of a you know, some planks off of a wooden fence. And um and then and then you know they take it off and they fly it away. And when my dad read my book, he got to that he was in World War II. He went, "Oh yeah, I thought those were weird, but I didn't think I need more of it. >> People don't know what they're looking at." Um and then apparently Jack Williams was at the the local pub drinking a bunch and said to the P39 pilots, "I have an airplane that doesn't have propellers on it." And then he would oops, how do you back that up? Well, next day he he uh rented a gorilla suit, derby hat, cigar out of his mouth, and flew up next to the P39 pilots. Then that night at the watering hole, you see that escape gorilla from the zoo. I see nothing. I know nothing. >> Who would want to admit it? >> Yeah. >> But but people don't see what's really there. They see what they think they're supposed to see. >> Yeah. By the way, when you got your degree and you finish up your PhD, what did you do for work from 92 till 01? What did you do professionally? >> Well, I was a um is there's more of a story behind that. Uh I was a what do you call it? A postoc student for some of that. I got injured um like as in killed and then come back from from that. The whole lot of stuff, you know, I've had a full life. >> Good for you. And that's another reason why I felt like I needed to go into 911. >> But what did you do full-time? What was your full-time job? Were you a professor or did you work for a company as a mechanical engineer? >> Um I I mainly when I came back from that I was doing a postoc and then I became a professor. >> Okay. Did you ever did you ever work on a job like as an mechanical engineer like did you work >> I wasn't a mechanical engineer. Engineering mechanics is a little bit different. You test materials. If I get a degree in civil engineering, engineering, mechanics, applied physics, and material engineering science, what job do I go pursue? What do I do for a living? >> Um, if it's not with academia, uh, testing materials. >> Did you ever do that? >> Running experiments. Yeah. Um, >> who was it with? What company? >> I was at Boeing. >> You're at Boeing. >> Yeah. For intermission and also um, uh, worked at for a short time at NASA Langley. >> How long were you at NASA? How long? >> Not Not long. It was u a part of their program. I you know doing your your degree and then you go work at at at NASA. >> How long did you work at Boink? >> Uh not long. >> 10 years, five years, three years. >> Six months, three months? >> No. Um like a a year >> at each places? >> Yeah. >> So you've mainly been academia your entire life? >> Yeah. Or or or a hospital patient. >> Got it. So that's interesting. Well, I also was a was a um draftsman for a while. >> What do draftsmen do? >> This is before the computer. >> Oh, got it. Would you draw? Yeah, I got it. >> Can I Okay. Well, listen. Any final things you want to say before we wrap up the podcast. >> Any final thoughts that audience should look into? We're going to put the link below for people to be able to go out there and order. Where did the towers go? I know Brandon for sure is going to buy it. A bunch of you guys will buy it, but what what else would you want to leave the audience to think about? Uh, think about how how careful we need to be to not be led around. Uh, what what do magicians do? They get you to lie to yourself. They get you to believe something that isn't true. They get you to make an assumption, a jump of of something that isn't true. And so, if you're constantly being, you know, it's either this, this, or this. No, but this doesn't agree to it. Oh, don't look at that. Yeah. Instead, you need to look at what is in front of you. Think of that that uh exercise that that artist did, putting his hands underneath a window. >> I think that's very interesting. Yeah. >> Yeah. And and you're forced to look at one piece relative to another and see what is really there. >> Yeah. >> And because it's a hard thing to do. You have to train yourself to do it. >> I I could never do it. I could never do it. But I'm, you know, to me, I simply want to know what happened. It's a big day. It's a it's it's the one of the worst days in the history of American you know American history especially last 50 years if we go to 60s that changes but last 50 years many would put it at the top worst day that we experienced and we still don't know what happened >> well you know what my PhD was or the dissertation >> uh developed a method for uh measuring deformation of materials I saw that >> and stresses and uh when I came back with that evidence it contradicted all theoretical uh results up to that point. >> Theory couldn't didn't correctly predict what was there and um it became what uh like a colleague of mine started using it and went to work for Motorola measuring the stresses in microchips because you get any two dissimilar materials bond together you can get huge stresses on the interface. >> Have you been to the new world trade center? the new ones that built >> I've been in the New World Trade Center. I've been to the um uh what do you call it? Um museum several times. >> You have been to the museum. >> That's pretty weird. You know that that video of the um spire dustifying? >> Yes. >> They have that you see it right when you come in the door. They probably won't now that I'm pointed out, but um it's it's a smaller part of the bigger picture. They have it more from but but they have theified spiral >> right in front of it. >> Right in front. >> When you go there, do they know who you are? >> No. No. time. >> No. So, they don't give you a hard time tell when you go in there. >> Uh, no. No. And, uh, this Bible is there. >> This Bible on the rock? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> The Bible didn't burn, >> right? And it has formerly liquid metal fused to the page. >> And this is in the museum. >> Yes. Just before you gra they they run you through this loop-de-loop around. And just before you leave, I thought I missed it and I was turned around to go back and there it is. It's like in the middle of the aisle. >> Do did they do they find out whose Bible it was or No, because I'm sure the family would love this. >> They probably don't know, but there's some very interesting things. If you know what you're looking at there, like um uh a firet truck where only the electrical stuff is is toasted in it. Nothing else. >> You are fully convinced that's what happened. >> That there's the things. >> Oh, not that one, but some other ones. Rob, please get it right when you're showing pictures like this. >> That's all right. >> A serious meaning. >> He probably doesn't have that one. >> He needs to take it seriously. I mean, let me >> This one they have beyond in the pay wall at at the museum. The stuff outside the pay wall and you have to pay more to go inside the control thing. But these are are weird as they are. Yeah. Check Check out that ambulance. >> Huh. >> It's just got holes in it. >> Yeah. >> Random holes. >> That's wild. And they still have it up there. >> Yeah. And you'll see convinced. So, what do you think about Richard Gage and his organization? What they did? >> Uh, they're uh either not real bright or or they're deliberately misdirecting. Now, Richard Gage bought a copy of my book. Uh, see, it was April 9th, 2011. >> Shoddy order that he made. >> Well, he bought it off of somebody with a with a check um that's to a bank from 891 Truth. So, 891 Truth paid for the book. Why do you think that's a big deal? >> That he has it. He has the information. >> Oh, I'm sure. Would you ever sit down with him in a debate format? >> Sure, but he has no interest in the truth because the way like even this thing they had this past week. >> Yeah. >> Uh it looked like a junior high girl was throwing spitwads at somebody. They had a a professional engineer supposedly. >> His whole presentation, this is supposed to be for Congress or something, was about debunking my book. >> Nothing of material. He didn't didn't talk about the lack of S&P waves, lack of debris. >> So, you would sit down with them if we did something. >> Um, sure. But but I don't think his interest is in that. >> All right. Let us see what we can do with them. We we'll >> we'll see. Maybe we can do something with that. >> There's also maybe maybe he's, you know, been a a victim of that idea that you only see what you think exists. >> You think so? >> Yeah. It's so it's got to be either um slingshot BB gun or or phone. >> So Richard Gates his own community he started ousted him fired him. I I think something didn't something happened to him. Rob >> Yes, he was. I believe he was removed from the uh architects and engineers for 911. >> He started that, right? And how many people were part of that organization? Like 30,000 3,000. >> He started it in response to my u request for corrections to NIST. >> Yeah. that came out and a couple weeks later is when the first 8911 truth website went up and and no one who ever talked to Judy Wood was allowed to be in 811 truth. And if you talked about the KAM case, you were banned from the group. >> Have you uh uh because you heard President Trump announcing that he would release everything they have for for 911, what happened to World Trade Center? Were you following that story or No. >> Yeah, I think he was saying that and didn't really know. get votes. But um but I don't think he knew what was there and there's plenty of other stuff going on. Um >> who doesn't want this thing to be released? Who doesn't want it to be released? >> Probably all of them. Um Ron Johnson was speaking at that thing earlier this week on Wednesday. >> Yeah. >> And he's he made a a good comment that Trump has a lot of on his plate right now and and they've already hired uh one investigation for for this. uh why should they hire another one because it you know the first one didn't give you the answer you wanted but something else that Ron Johnson said is um you know Adam's not sure there's some things that that could ever be released >> and I think that's the the case but think of this this in the wrong hands >> what the director energy weapon would >> this this technology I I wouldn't call it you know I'm not specifying it as a weapon but what would you call it this >> this phenomenon this technology your big wood words. I learned that. >> Yeah. Um now I don't know if you saw the part about um Ed Lecan. >> He's a Latvian guy who came to the US from around from in Florida, southern Florida. You you need to go down there. I'd love to go there with you to to um I think it's in Homestead. He built this castle the size of he excavated big rocks out of uh brain coral and built a castle u out of it. And then um uh I forgot what happened and he had to move it and his friend put a flatbed truck there and by morning he had it loaded. He if somebody was ever watching he'd stop he'd stop working on it. It's like leaving your gun cabinet unlocked. You don't leave your gun cabinet unlocked unless everybody knows what what the gun uh >> So you think he had the EW and he moved it with >> Well, he didn't know how to weapon. He knew how to uh you know he could he levitate the stones by himself. dropped the W. >> Yeah, >> he had access to DE. >> Yeah, he he could manipulate the energy to to levitate stuff and they think that's how the the pyramids were built. He had this little rinky dink tripod that couldn't hold more than 100 pound 100 pounds and um lifted 15 ton stones. Well, I mean that part where you're going and they show how they build the pyramids back in the days in Egypt and when you hear the phenomenon, it makes no sense that right >> we so what did they use for them to be able to you know move it? What type of power did you have today to you know so there is something there when those topics come up? >> Yeah. Look look at Ed Leadg's little castle. It's you know like two or three stores. >> Can you find that castle of his? >> Coral castle. Is that it? The Coral Castle? >> It's about a couple of stories tall. And he made a little power plant in it. >> Which guy is it? Is it Is it that guy? >> Uh yeah, that's it. That building on the right. Those are 15 ton stones that he >> each one of them. >> Yeah. He excavated brain coral. >> So you're wondering how he put it up there? >> Oh, I'm not wondering. >> You know how he did it? >> Yeah. He he he has written book a little book on it. >> Uh >> have you met him? >> No. No. He died in uh 1950 something. >> Oh, okay. He he was uh sick and rode his bicycle to the hospital and died there. >> He's sick. He gets on his bicycle, goes to the hospital and dies there. >> Yeah, I think TV or something like that. >> Yeah, >> that he had. But um yeah, apparently like neighborhood kids watching and he'd stop he'd stop working. >> And I think it's because you need to earn >> to know that kind of stuff. >> Yeah. You you need to to earn that privilege. It's like understanding how to destroy the planet. You don't just turn that loose. >> Understanding how to destroy the planet. >> It could be. >> Let me ask you, what's your favorite movie? >> Uh, Space Camp. I don't know. I'm I'm thinking of some fun >> Space Camp. >> Yeah. >> You like Space. >> A League of Their Own. That was fun. >> I like League of Their Own. >> You There's no crying in baseball, right? Is that the >> Right. Right. Right. Right. >> Yeah. Was that League of Their Own or No, that's Is that the Am I saying it correctly? >> Yeah, that was League of Their Own. >> Yeah, they were crying. She's like, "No, Madonna's No, Madonna." Brazil. >> It's actually a very good movie. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's no crying in baseball. >> I remember that line. It's a good movie. Favorite book of all time? Trying to figure you out. Dr. Judy Wood. >> Trying to figure you out. What are you going to say? Favorite book? >> Aren't too many books. Uh, first one I ever read was On the Beach by Neville Shoot. >> And that's your book. >> That was the first one I ever read. It made a big impression on me. >> All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us. people's uh mentality like near the end of the book where um they know that they're going to get wiped out with a nuclear uh wave. Lady has to go out and plant a spring flowers and you see that that's a human nature is pretend it doesn't exist and continue on. >> Yeah, >> we have people doing that now. >> I for sure believe that we have people doing that. I was hoping I could figure out what happened on 9/11 and >> Well, you know, there was a hurricane. There's a >> Yeah, >> hurricanes have a static field outside of them. >> Was it called Hurricane Brandon? Hurricane. >> Hurricane Aaron. >> Aaron. >> Yeah, it was under reportport. It wasn't non-reported. It was under reportported. >> Right. Right. Right. Hurricane Aaron. That's right. >> And And you know how uh TV stations love to, you know, make just really make it for all it's worth. Oh, and there was a um airline attendant flying out of Boston that morning. He he saw the people who supposedly disappeared. Whoops. Into um into one or two, I forget which. Um he saw them that morning in the office and then anyway flew out the other direction. But they never talked. He he was totally unaware there was a category 3 hurricane right there. >> All of that I can get there. The directed energy. Let's not use a W words. I don't want to upset you. >> The directed energy side. >> I >> just the mechanism. Just just call it the mechanism. What happened? Yeah. Don't don't give it a name. >> I just don't want to upset you. But >> it's been great spending time with you. >> It's been great. >> This is evidence. >> Yeah. No, that's great. And like I said, I'm going to put the book below. Rob, if you can put the clip uh the link to the book, where did the f towers go? And we'll put the clip to you, the link to your website as well. And if the audience wants to get a hold of you, they will. Well, thank you for coming out. This was great. Appreciate you. Appreciate you. Take care everybody. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye. >> Nowadays, more than ever, the brand you wear reflects and represent who you are. 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