The Rise And Fall Of iDubbbzTV | Pre-Fight Trash Talk

Hey all you frugal warriors out there. Welcome back to another episode of the Iced Coffee Hour podcast featuring Graham Stefen and Jack Harlo. Uh we are now up to $136,00083. [snorts] Nice. That's a good guess. Yeah. Yeah. $198,125. Okay. How much we made. Well, thank you for coming on again. We had you back on. And I think it was a little bit over a year ago. Mhm. Showed up. I was so nervous to meet you, man. Yeah. But it's not that scary once you meet me. Huh. It was You were so nice. Like you afterwards, I was talking to Jack and Mason. I'm like, "Wow, he's like he's normal." Like the most accommodating person ever. Yeah. But like I was shocked that after we finished, you just hung out and talked. Yeah. Like you weren't in a rush to Yeah. You I'm not a busy guy now. I'm a busy guy though. Yeah. But I really appreciate it because like I feel like I grew up watching your content like from everything from like the the Save the Squirrel initiative to the unboxings of stuff to you like smearing lipstick on your face and just like ripping packages open all the content cops. I mean, you really like I feel like you made like this big mark on YouTube that like changed the way people approached content for a few years. Yeah. Thank you, Graham. I I would like to think that, but I don't know. like the lipstick thing. I don't know. Maybe that changed everything. Powerful. Yeah, very I remember when you were doing the unboxings. I first of all thought it was crazy that that people would send you packages like just send you stuff and you would just unbox it for a video and make it funny. Yeah, it was cool. There was a lot of really weird stuff that never really show ended up getting shown on camera just cuz it was like just nasty. A lot of nasty stuff really that didn't really like play well to the camera. It's just like, you know, I don't know, a bag of sand, bag of poop. Uh, you got sent a bag of poop. Yeah, lots of bags of poop. Like, lots of like multiple poop. Uh, who knows, you know. I'm not digging through the bags [laughter] checking if it if it's humanect. No. Okay. [laughter] You know. Yeah. Got it. Well, how did you get started on YouTube for anyone who's not familiar with your content or just [clears throat] like just curious? Oh, yeah. I did a lot of uh gaming back in the day. I wanted to be a a YouTube gamer like PewDiePie. So I would commentate on games and then eventually I didn't get any traction so I switched to other things like the bad unboxing and uh and then I think I got bored of that so I I did another thing content cops and now I guess I got bored of that and I did some documentaries and I'm not bored of the documentaries but now we're pivoting into uh boxing. That's your new big sticktick, huh? Why why boxing? You know, got to take out Jake Paul. Is that really your end end game? Got to kill him. Yeah. Oh my [laughter] god. Got to kill him in the ring. Yeah. Okay. Someone's got to do it, right? Yeah. Someone's got to do it. I've been disappointed so far cuz no one's done it yet. Yeah. Yeah. We had Ben Ascrin, Tyrone Woodley. We were counting on these guys and they didn't show up. So, have you always been into boxing? No. I feel like it's so random. Yeah. It seems like it's completely out of the blue. you're very conventional traditional just YouTuber and then just boxing. Yeah. I mean I think uh Ana has influenced me a lot just in like has given me like a lot more confidence because I you know I I was I think it's very easy to have made the content cops that I've made. It's like it's not really that much work to do research on a person and compile clips and everything and like sort of build an argument. Uh it's a whole new challenge to like, you know, dedicate time and energy to, you know, working out six days a week, two times a day, and uh and then eventually put it all on the line in a boxing event. Like that's much more But arguably there's other difficult things that you could choose to do. Yeah. Why did when you could just keep making more documentaries that people love? Well, this is content for the documentary, right? So, we're going to put out a documentary once it's all over. And that's actually been the amazing thing is I didn't realize how hard this was going to be. I actually thought it was going to be super easy cuz I was like, I'm going to face Rice Gum. It's going to be a piece of cake. First round knockout. Uh, awesome. I don't even have to make a documentary. But it got to the point where I was like, this is so hard. I have to document this. I have to uh sort of tell people my story. Uh Brett's story, AB, all these guys who are involved. your story potentially. Well, it's it's in I mean I'm not going [laughter] back but yeah. Yeah. I I I had something I I was about to say and then you threw me into there and I was like I'm sorry. Sometimes I I What happened What happened with Ricegum? Why do Why couldn't Ricegum fight? Is it Is it an issue with money? Austin Mc Broom got in his head. He, you know, Os McBrroom was lying to everyone left and right that you can make $3 million off of a fight. And that's the money that he promised a lot of people. So, he told Ricegum that you can make a lot of money doing this. And that's exactly why he DM'd uh Ana in the first place asking to box. Um, but no one's getting paid $3 million, even $1 million, like guaranteed to uh to box. It's just not happening unless you're Jake Paul. Got it. Talk through these specifics about the fight. I know it's for charity, but could you share some numbers behind it? I'm just curious how much how much money goes into planning something like this and what do you expect to to make from this because I know you know charity but charity aside like you obviously you have a lot of overhead with this. Yeah, that's funny. That's like the same question we got on this podcast we just came back from. They they said it in like a a much I guess less eloquent way. They were like, "Uh, so I know it's for charity, but like there's got to be some kickback for you, right?" And I'm like, "Oh, no, no, it honestly all is for charity." Um, but yeah, I mean, I guess the overhead or like the cost of putting the event on, uh, in total it'll be probably [gasps] gosh, it'll be close to a million dollars. Yeah. Um, after we pay everyone. Um, yeah. And uh yeah, I don't know. It's uh it's it's scary because it's like I don't know. There's a lot of there's a lot of things to to manage. We have a a Real Good Touring is the company we're working with to try to get going. They do touring with uh YouTubers. Um and uh they've been super helpful. Uh but yeah, it we didn't know we were going to end up where we're at. We were just scrambling the whole way. sort of. But now, what happens if you don't make a million dollar? Where does that money come? Is this coming out of your pocket with that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I mean, I've I've pretty much like I've already put in uh like $150,000 into the event. Um you know, but it we are, you know, the the money is is is all but guaranteed at this point because of, you know, the sales of the event uh and the inperson tickets. So, we're pretty much good. We're past the break even point. You are? Yes. Wow. Yeah, that's good. Yes. I was worried that so we can actually give some money to charity thankfully. That's good. [laughter] I was worried about that. That would be the worst case scenario is like you don't break even, you lose money and nothing goes to charity. [laughter] But everyone's calling it a charity event. I'd be like completely and you know someone's going to get pissed at you because it's you're going to take some to reimburse your own expense. You'd be like, "But no, he took money. He took money from this. stole from the charities. Yeah. Yeah. We're I mean we're prepared for all of that. We're trying to, you know, be as careful as possible. We don't want to do, you know, the social gloves Austin McBroom thing. Uh but we're not guar guaranteeing anyone absurd amounts of money. Like we could end up if if the event literally did only earn $100 over break even, that would just go to charity. So So you got into boxing because you wanted a challenge. That's why you figured what you were doing beforehand was a little bit on the easier side and you really wanted to see what you could do. Yeah, a little bit. It was like a calculated challenge where it was like it's Ricegum, piece of cake. I could do that. That was just your initial idea was just that you would fight Ricegum. Did you even plan on throwing this huge event or would it just be you versus Ricegum? Oh, it would have just been me versus Ricegum. And I was hoping that there would be like a triller, a showtime that would like pick it up and work with us, but none of them want to work with us. Why? because they don't understand the value. They don't, you know, they look at the boxing audience and they're like, "Well, none of these, you know, boxing fans are interested or have ever heard of you. Uh, they don't, you know, they don't take the YouTube audience very seriously." I can even send them like a Ricegum video that I made that has 50 million views or whatever it is and it it would have like no effect. But see, I view this kind of from their perspective in the sense that like let's just say you say this boxing event is going to get 10 million views guaranteed. They could just go to someone else and say, well, you just make a video and [clears throat] within a week it'll get 10 million views. Like you go to the Stokes twins and it's like, hey, just make a video about anything. 10 million views is their like low end. So I think from their perspective, they would view the boxing as a bit more of a risk when they could take a sure thing with a established channel, right? What do you mean with a in terms of viewerships, in terms of sponsoring or in terms of paying for anything like that, they'd probably rather take the Sure thing. Showtime, just anyone, right? If if they're producing an event, they would if if their thing is exposure. There are probably easier ways to get the same amount of exposure. Oh, I don't I mean, I wouldn't see it as exposure. I would see it as money, right? Like I mean, it's it's all untested. So, I I I I get your point in that way. Yeah. But I don't know. You just write it in the contract. You know, Ricegum Idubbbz make three videos about this or whatever. I don't know. Right. Why? I'm still trying to feel White Bond. There's plenty of other sports. Was it just to fight Ricegum? I feel like there's got to be something deeper. Was your beef with Ricegum real? Like, did you actually want to get in the ring with him and, you know, go hand to hand? I mean, no. I mean, I'm not that I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but it's pretty surface level. It's not like he, you know, kicked my dog or anything. Uh, but yeah, I mean this is pretty surface level beef, especially like at this point. Um, have you guys talked like off camera, you know, like shot each other a DM? Maybe that didn't We Yeah, we've DM back and forth, but like I mean he's the same guy, you know, in the DMs as Got, you know, everywhere else and it's just like a lot of like, you know, excuses and all the rest. He backs out, but you still want to fight because had you been training at this point? Yeah. And to be honest, like I I could have quit at that point because but I thought I had done like a lot of training. I we had put in like two or three months and I thought that was a lot. [laughter] But that wasn't that wasn't anything. Uh I hadn't even got into sparring at that point. So it wasn't a lot of training. Um but I thought it was a lot at the time. So I was like, I got to see this through. So that's why we just kept going. Mhm. And then you organize this massive creator clash. You find an opponent and you find a bunch of other people that have the other cards and then that's where we are here. Yeah. Yeah. You're fighting Dr. Mike. Is it Dr. Mike? Yeah. Are you worried about that? Cuz I heard he's been doing this for like what nine years or something like that, right? Yeah. 10 years. Legendary box. But so but if but if you're going up against somebody like that, how do you why would you agree to that? Uh well I we were honestly just looking for the person with the most relevancy that wasn't like who would like accept the fight. Um and I guess the other component is like have they boxed before? Like have have they um we wanted we want all these matches to be super even so uh and fair. So we knew he had boxing experience so it wasn't going to be unfair in that way. Um, but uh he hasn't done a you know proper fight like Jake Paul or something like I wouldn't want to fight like KSI or Anision Gibb or any of these people who have actually gone in the ring because I feel like that's much more of an advantage than just saying like yeah I do boxing fitness for the past 10 years. So he hasn't sparred? No, I mean at this point he has but when I contacted him he he had just been doing boxing fitness. Interesting. Okay. And your game plan with this is throw this event and are you going to continue boxing after the event and trying to find more opponents and just climbing up the ladder? Yeah, I mean if if I successfully am able to climb the ladder, I'll climb it, you know, one rung at a time. [laughter] But uh I'm super interested in the other aspect which is throwing an event and like continuing to do these events every year. Uh I think that would be very cool. It's uh the sport has been very awesome to learn and uh I don't know we we've fallen in love with it. Anise has been doing the boxing with me. Uh she hasn't missed a single session. We do all of our sessions together. So we're uh we're you know fully uh involved in the sport now. It's challenging. I I have days where I'm I I have just second guessed myself. It's bad. Like why did I agree to this? Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Okay. Um I I remember I'm so surprised. [laughter] First of all, I'm so surprised Graham agreed to it. I honestly am because Graham told me he's like, "All right, so Ian Ian told me that I could fight Michael Reeves in this boxing match. Should I do it?" And he was like he was like on and off for how long was that? Like four weeks? No, it was a long time that you were that you were giving like asking for opinions whether or not you should do it. I I am I'm so glad you did it or you accepted because it's like It it feels bad now, but I think once it's all over with, you'll be very glad that you did. Yeah, it was tough for me because I look at everything from like, you know, financial ROI and it's like, well, how much how many hours am I No, really, like, how many hours am I putting in this? What's the risk? I'm not making any money doing this. Um, I'm subjecting myself to a lot to push myself through this. Is it worth it? Is this really the best use of my time right now? And but I but I just felt that like I would look back 10 or 20 years from now and be like I should have taken that risk because I've never done anything like this before. So that's why when when I tell people they're like really doing that and it's you know at least I want to prove to myself that I could actually do it. Hell yeah. You know whether I win or lose at least I I gave it a shot and I tried. Yeah. So that's the way I see it. And that's so badass. I think everyone who actually you know gets into the ring deserves all the kudos because it's so [ __ ] hard. like uh it's scary, you know, every time you every time I spar I get [ __ ] nervous. I get super nervous. It's it's a very scary sport. And uh yeah, I mean you're you're putting it on the line. That's good. Yeah. But then but then I also doubt like am I am I good enough? I if if like is my stance okay? Am I am I training enough? Am I not you know what what could I improve on? Am I too scared? Like it was really because I've never gotten a fight in my life. And so even hitting like anything did not come natural to me. Same. So yeah, but even the the the boxing instructor wants me to like kind of like he'll put the pad up. He's like, "Okay, give me a give me a a hook to this." And it's like I don't want to, you [laughter] know, cuz I'm like, "It's going to hurt." He's like, "Just do it." He's like, "If you hurt me, you hurt me." And I'll like kind of do it soft. And he's like, "You got to do it harder than that." And so I part of me worries that like I like I like Michael Reeves. You're not supposed to. Okay. I I really don't like Michael Reeds, but [laughter] like I don't want to hurt him. Like I would feel terrible if I like even just make make him feel bad. Like Oh man, feel bad. I couldn't like that's that's probably the next step is just knowing that it's a sport and that he's he's there to hurt you, so you got to hurt him. It would be really entertaining if you guys were in the ring together. Just too scared to throw punches. [laughter] It would be really entertaining. It probably go viral. So we just we just each other. We just like [laughter] the entire time apologize after hitting the other person. Yeah, I'm sorry, man. Okay, bring it back up. But I mean, that's what I also like about this event is, you know, most of our guys I I shouldn't even say most. I don't think anyone has any type of feud or, you know, dislike for the other person and we're not trying to force any of that. Um uh and it's cool to show people that that's not what you need because there's a lot of people who didn't agree to this and they said like stuff like uh oh yeah I couldn't fight you know so and so I have too much respect for them and it's like you're just a [ __ ] You're just not saying yes because you're scared. Uh and there was like a lot of weird kind of macho excuses along the way where you could just tell they didn't want to do it but they didn't they didn't they weren't honest about it. They were like, you know, so I have a question. When you were coming up with the idea of Steven versus Reev, um Steven, yeah, Steven versus [laughter] Yeah, said that. Anyway, Keemstar Keemstar, when you're coming up with the idea of Steven versus Reev, uh what made you think in your head, I should bring Michael and ask Graham if he wants to fight him? Did you think he would say no? Like, what were your initial thoughts? Well, I remember I saw you guys talking about on the podcast and I was filming a a video with uh Will William Osman and uh Michael Reeves was there just to kind of do a cameo and uh I was like I'll ask him like cuz I was I was kind of nervous to ask cuz I was like I know like all like you Michael pretty much like over half the card I was like they're going to be way too busy to say yes. No way they're going to say yes just out of busyness. And Michael just immediately was like, "Yep, I'll do that." Like, "What? Okay." Like, "I got to find an opponent for him." It was going to be uh Captain Sparkles, but then Captain Sparkles was like, "No, I'll kill whoever I'm in the ring with." Yes. [laughter] So then it was like Graham and I was like, "What the hell?" Like this isn't even I actually like your your response was the biggest surprise out of anyone. For sure. Really? Yeah. Of course. You're the financial guy. Everyone's shocked you tell them that. Yeah. And you're bringing in like a whole different crowd to boxing that like I mean they're not involved in the sport at all. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I would say your name and Harley's name are the two that people react to the most when I bring up the uh event to like strangers. Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome, [sighs and gasps] man. You're getting stressed [laughter] out. Yeah. Because today was an off day for me. I had I had training earlier today and it was a really bad day and I had a bit of a headache going into it. I didn't have the energy. I don't sometimes when like you're in the zone I'm working and then I have to stop it to go. Bad day and so but but it's those days where I just I doubt it. It's normal. All of it's normal. I've had some like particularly on this trip. It's been pretty bad. Like it is so constant. But part of the reason I said yes uh was because a while ago I forget it was [clears throat] either Jack or Macy. Somebody asked me like, "Would you ever do a boxing match or like something like that?" And I jokingly said, "Only if it's Michael Reeves." Because I remember when we did a video together, we got like headtohead. We were the exact same height. And I felt like at least I feel like I would have a chance. It's meant to happen. Yeah. So when you said Michael, I'm like, "Well, that, you know, I'm not going to back down from that." I I put it out in the universe and it happened. Now, if you put me against Captain Sparkles, immediate no cuz I've seen him at the gym. He is jacked. Not only that, [snorts] but he has a few inches on me, too. Like, I think he's like 58 or something like that. Um, but and he's just massive. Like, yeah. No, I would be dead. But at least with Michael, I feel like, okay, at least it could be a somewhat even match. I think we started training at the exact same time. I think he took more time off in the beginning, but now I think he's doing more training than I am. So, I've had like a little bit longer, but he's doing more frequent. Mhm. So, yeah, it freaked me out to see somebody posted on Reddit uh a little clip of Michael fighting, you know, I can't really differentiate between like good or bad. I don't know. It looked good to me and so I saw this. I'm like, "Oh man, like can I am I at that caliber?" I don't know. And it it psyched me out a little bit to see that. That's normal. Yeah. Just use that. I mean, just know that like we don't know if you're like you could be awesome just as just as easily as you could be terrible. You know, once you're put in that situation, you know, you got to you got to nut up and and you might. Yeah. Maybe you have a bad first round and you're like, "Oh, I can't embarrass myself like this." And you go crazy. Could happen. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. I don't want to see that. Yeah. Yeah. Don't count yourself out. I don't. Yeah. I don't know. I just And the other thing is I don't want to get hurt. And I know I know I brought this up to you before it's like because for me it's like my my head, my brain is like the most important thing. And if that gets hindered in any way, it's not worth it. So, I know you're going into that with a slight risk. Yeah. Um [sighs] Yeah. And well, another thing I I think you should think about as far as like ROI goes is like um the return on like uh growth as a person like uh mental, emotional, like this is challenging you in ways that your brain is probably not used to. Right. Right. Like that's that's pretty big. I think that'll help you like maybe maybe do some good investments in the future. Don't you think? No, I don't I don't [laughter] I don't think so. I think the only thing it'll prove is that, you know, at least I I could put myself out of my comfort zone and knock on wood be okay. You'll be the most badass financial guy out there. True. Yeah. I had that uh uh what's his name? Kevin. Meet Kevin. Yeah. He reached out to me in an email wanting to box, too. Really? Why didn't you put him in that? You should put that Well, it was kind of late. You should have put him in. Yeah, but I mean he needs I told Kevin to do it. You did? I was with Kevin when he emailed you. Yeah. Yeah. Afterwards, he's wanted to fight Grant Cardone. Yeah. Oh, that sick. Yeah. And he he posted a a tweet. It was I thought it was kind of funny. Uh but Grant Cardone blocked him on Twitter. So he said, "Let's see if you could punch as good as you block." Oh, that is good. I like that. I don't think he's going to say yes to. But you should have gotten if if you got Kevin in there. I thought that would have been that would have been awesome. Creator Clash 2 is totally awesome. Yes, Kevin would do it 100%. Hell yeah. Kevin versus Andre Jick. That would be a great fight. I think he actually texted Andre before he asked Grant and Andre said no. Yeah, I think if you get those two to fight, I would be cuz I feel like they're about the same height and they could they both have their strengths. I think Kevin has more reach. Maybe Andre is a little bit more like quicker, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So, that would be a good a good fight. Oh, yeah. Just do a financial fight. I love that. Financial fight. Fin. You call it financial fight. We'll have that like a se a sponsored segment in between all the other fights. Yeah. [laughter] Public. So, yeah. So, anyway, it's uh it's been up and down for me. I'm looking forward to I'm I the closer it gets, the more nervous I'm getting. Mhm. Yeah. That's I mean, everything that you're feeling is super normal. Just know that, you know, we're we're all doing it together. you know, you're if if it's gonna be it's gonna be sick. You know, you're gonna you Hey, here's a question. Yeah. Uh part of the reason why I thought that you accepted this is cuz you were like, "All right, I got to make this like the most financially viable thing for myself as possible." Kind of like your like logic with uh the buying the Pokemon card packs from Logan. Oh, yeah. You like broke that down like I could make 17 videos out of it and this and that. Um, do you have any plan for this? Like I can make five videos. I can get sponsored. None of it's none of it's financial. I'm I'm I don't want to say I'm having a difficult time getting sponsors, but because it's like they don't know the numbers and the sponsor is going to be like, okay, well, a logo on the the jacket or the pants or whatever, what price do you put on that? And then it's also like, well, if I'm doing this for charity, do I just donate the money instead? Like, that's not the point. I'm not doing this for the money cuz then I may as well just do a sponsored video instead. Right. Right. So awesome. This is good for you then. Uh it's one of the few things that I've done that's not driven by money. I love that. One of the few things. The aquarium was something that's not driven by money. This is nice. But that aquarium, like guests who walk into your home, they're really wowed by that and impressed. They're like, "This guy must be kind of like an important guy. Pretty wealthy because of the aquarium." Yeah. Maybe I should uh, you know, keep on this guy. Maybe I should send him some money. [laughter] Maybe I should subscribe if I haven't done that already. Gosh, no. This is It's not financial driven at all. I love that. But yeah, but I don't I don't even have a sponsor uh lined up for this. I don't even know if I'm going to do a sponsor. I don't I don't even know. I can't make a video about this. I mean, it's like I could do one afterwards. Whether I win or lose, I will do a video um expressing my thoughts. So, like, but I'm not I don't be like, well, I could do a video from it and and probably that there's no way that video could be sponsored because then it takes away from the message of the video. It's like a heartfelt message and then like, oh, by the way, I want to I want to thank I don't know, you know, Clorox for sponsoring this video. The best thing that could happen for you is that you get a massive black eye and you just make a video and put yourself in the thumbnail. That's Yeah, that's a that's a really good thumbnail. I'd be fine with a tie, honestly. And then it's like, you know, you'd be fine with a tie. Fine. It's all right. You're going to win. Don't [laughter] say don't say that on record. You're supposed to have confidence, man. At least fain confidence. [snorts] Yeah. But but but then if I if I downplay it and I'm better than No, that's that's fair. I'd be fine if if if everyone got a tie so long as [laughter] I'd be it was really entertaining. Do I get a participation trophy or something for just like just coming in there? I I might give you be able to give you some sort of ribbon or something. [laughter] Give me a boat. I mean just like a like a pin or something like we'll get some like real cheap second place or I don't know [laughter] place it'll be it'll be man it will it will probably be you know one of the most memorable things you do in your life which is I think worth it you know I'm proud of you when you're proud yeah but I don't know if Jack's going to make it Jack I'll put you on the spot here what the hell I know I want I mean I want to go so badly But I planned a trip to New York with uh my best friend like 4 months ago before the date even got released and it just so happens and we went for a concert. It's the exact same day as the concert. I really want to go. It's going to be a beautiful Jack if Jack doesn't go to this. I mean it's this is only this might only happen once. It certainly Graham will not box again. This is Graham's only time boxing. I want to go so badly. I really want to go. And I told Graham like I've told him for the past like two three months. months. I'm like, "Dude, I want to be in your corner. I want to be like cheering you on the entire time." And Graham just goes, "Every single time I say that." Yeah, because you want to downplay it. You don't want to make it like a big deal. Graham, you're going to go in there, you're going to win by knockout, first round. Are you not nervous for your fight? Yeah, I'm nervous. What are you most nervous about with this whole event? Is it like the success of the event, the turnout? Is it about winning your fight? About everyone having a good time? Uh, yeah. I want the fans to have a really good time. I want the event to be a success. The fight itself is interesting because it's going to be so unlike anything. Like you can try I think you want to simulate as close as you can what it's going to feel like to be in the ring. So like getting into a boxing ring that's like probably first step. Uh you know uh getting used to people screaming at you. That's like another thing you should probably you know be prepared for. focusing all of that sort of stuff. And it's everyone who who's talked to me about it has basically said like, yeah, there's no way that you can actually be like completely ready for it. You can just get as close as you can, you know? [clears throat] But first, I want to thank our sponsor, Ladder. Hey, Alex. I think I'm getting ready to start a family. Don't you need a girlfriend for that? Don't push it, Alex. And when I do, I want to be sure that I can help protect them financially if anything bad were to ever happen. 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Yeah. I want to see what's what's want you to take off your clothes. All right. All right. [snorts] You might have to censor this. You don't have to censor. Graham, you should too, man. What? Take I'm not No, no. Just Just the shirt. Just like just the jacket. That's all. Look at this thickness. That's thick. Shield your eyes. There's too much thickness here. Oh, yeah. That's thick. Oh, I blend into the background a little too much. That's a good look. [laughter] That's a really good look. Yeah, you definitely look a lot bulkier. So, what's the what's the the plan with this? Is it just you're eating a lot of food? You're trying to bulk up now and then you're going to then you're going to cut afterwards or Yeah, I'm I'm probably going to cut after [laughter] the fight. Um, wait. You're going to cut after. So, you're just trying to put on weight and you're not trying to do anything? No, I have to eat every day like a lot of food because I'm 185ish right now and we're meant to weigh in at 190 and he's like 200. So, he needs to come down to 190. Isn't that dangerous for you? I think it's more dangerous for him. Yeah, it's the opposite. Is that how weight classes go? So if you're going up, you're you're more like advantaged than someone just depending on the situation. Like obviously like for me it's going to be more um maybe more fat than muscle. I don't know. You look huge. You look massive. I just I'm raising my towering over us. I have to zoom out here. [laughter] There we go. All right. There we go. That's what we're talking about. All right. Got some large boys in the ice coffee room. There we go. Nice. It's interesting to [laughter] me because show them your butt. How big your butt? Yeah, show us your butt, man. Well, this is kind of a Everything's real dark ass. Oh, you've got your I can take my pants off. Yeah, go for it, man. He's got this. Last time we were together, you took off your pants, too. You guys see? I know. Oh, you did. But you made him do that. I didn't make them, but Wow. That's Whoa. Whoa. That's crazy. Oh my god. Yeah. That's Yo, I didn't know you had a dumpy back there, man. Yeah, that's huge. Yeah. Yeah, it's all dark. So, congratulations. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I do definitely see like a big physique change. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've been weightlifting alongside uh boxing. Mhm. Uh you know, got to get bigger to face off against Mike. Um I I just hope that I'm going to be big enough. Yeah. For me, I' I've been losing a little weight, which is good. Yeah. Yeah. So, I've I've I'm down four pounds the last two months. So, I don't I don't need to lose a lot, but like just around my stomach, I've just not been happy with that. So, that area like leading up to this or is it? Yeah. The last like ever since co uh I got that little bit of a gut. Yeah. Okay. So, it's it's getting shaved off now slowly. Hell yeah. No six-pack yet? No. Okay. Like maybe two in the right light. Yeah. In the right lighting. Uh in the morning before I eat anything. Like maybe. That's cool. Yeah. That's probably closer. You're probably closer to it than I am. Really? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Check this out. I can see something. I see the lines. Lines from me doing [laughter] that. Yeah, I ain't right. Yeah. Water retention. Yeah. Water retention. Ana says, "Would you uh box, Jack?" Yeah, I would box. Yeah. Yeah. I would do it. Get in the ring. Would you box Kevin? Kevin asked me really if I would do it. Yeah. Honestly, I told him that, you know, I would just do it if in his backyard if he really wanted to. I've never boxed anyone before. Uh, it sounds fun. I worry that with Kevin such like an I don't want to say like he has that like addictive personality, but he's so just like laser focused on something that I worry that he would like put everything aside and just train train. Like he would overtrain. How How has training been with like all that you have to do? cuz like I've stopped doing pretty much everything to train and I imagine that's got to be tough for you given that you know you got a lot of a lot of things to do. Yeah. So I've been doing three times a week since I don't know when did we start? January, February. January I think. So three times a week. Um I've just recently well like as of two weeks ago I stepped it up to now four times a week. Awesome. So Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday. Um it's difficult. Yeah. Yeah. Those back-to-back days were tough. And this last week, because I missed a Sunday for Easter, I had to do Friday. Oh, no. Thursday, Friday, Saturday. And that Saturday was horrible. Have you Have you started sparring? Uh, the trainer. I' I've not sparred a person I don't know, but I've been sparring the trainer, and he just wears the big thick gloves when he's doing this. And uh yeah, he he I think he's he's kind of training me to not put my hands down. And so anytime I do the wrong move, he just bop. And he's so quick with the bops. So he's getting all the bops in. But he says that uh like with his experience, he's going to be better than any opponent that I would ever do. And he could control like what he hits. So yeah. So sometimes I'll throw a hook and he'll just know I've opened myself up. Yeah. It's so fast. Yeah. So and then he's been training me to, you know, when anytime I do this, you got to drop and roll and do this thing over here. And uh it's a lot of memorization. Yeah. Of just like different things. If I'm going to do this, you're going to do that. And if you see this, I want you to do that. And it's just like Yeah. It's a lot more intricate than I thought. Yeah. It's Yeah. You kind of have to let it go a little bit. Like you maybe overthink things cuz I do that when I'm especially when I got started. Yeah. And you just need to like feel it and kind of zone out a little bit to make it happen sometimes, right? Rather than thinking like, "All right, now I'm about to do a roll, you know?" It's like, "Eh, right. just roll. Yeah. And there's been a few times I've been I've been hit in the head and it's just like I've never felt that like sensation before and there's one that just like he hit me like here and it just knocked I've never like had my neck just go back instantly and there was that quick like second where I was just like what was going on cuz I just caught me off guard and then a few other times like hit in the stomach and it just like gets the wind out of you and in that like second you kind you feel like a little disoriented but you can't just like put your hand what was that Because then you're done. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, you're going to, you know, it getting punched will be second nature to you by the time you're done with your training. You'll be like, "Yeah, I can take a punch." But I've I've noticed usually that uh you know, if I if I carve out the time, I'll have the time for it. Yeah. You know, you just you make that a priority. And and I've I've been worried obviously like before like how am I going to have the extra like I can't even do an extra hour for this? How am I going to do an hour for this? But the funny thing is it's like when you carve out that hour, you're more productive in the other hours. Mhm. Yeah. So, I totally I've not noticed any decrease in anything really. Cool. Yeah, that makes sense. I think the um I looked at the lineup and I got to say I think the one I'm most scared about is I'm scared for AB. I mean, I looked at who's his opponent? Hund Hundar. This is Hundar. I have no clue who he is, but I looked at his picture. He's right here. Jesus Christ. I'm Hold on. AB, I'm I'm terrified for you right now. Like you look at look at look at this. [laughter] Oh my gosh. Like, show AB. Uh, pull up a picture of AB. AB, I like I I I like you, man. But that's hilarious. Alex, would you box? [sighs and gasps] Yeah, man. Yeah, why not? Yeah. Who would you box? Well, it's hard to find an opponent that's my size. the you know it because people my size are either freaking Arnold Schwarzenegger the Rock, right? So I I need somebody that's like physically in the same kind of realm as me because I I want it to be a challenge. I don't want it to feel like I'm going to get completely destroyed. Clobber Nikocado. Oh, [laughter] that's Dude, I would fight Nikocado. So if I have set that up, I'd fight him right now. [laughter] Do you make that happen? Wow. Who knows? Do you know him? Uh I don't but who I think it was like Keemstar said, "Oh, I got a contact with Nikavo." I'm like, "All right, maybe." [laughter] Uh but yeah. Yeah, I've tried reaching out to him, I think, twice. Never got back to You'd have to train. Yeah. No, no, no. Not not for boxing. Just to get him on the podcast. Oh, that's great. Such an in because I think he's playing up a big character and and he's That's what I think. and he'd be perfect for this podcast cuz he makes a bank and he really knows how to like organize his channels and like like he is a a money fiend. Like I would argue he makes more money than you with all the things that he's doing. I would disagree with that. But I know [laughter] I don't but honestly I would love he's got like he's got Only Fans. He's got like 10 channels. You might be right actually. He's got a ton of weird going on. Oh, he's got Cameo. He grinds on Cameo. I yeah so I would love to get him on to talk about the finance aspect but I don't think he ever would because then that reve then you pull back the curtain and then not only do you do you not see him the same way as like is he acting is it not is this him is it not but then if I'm sure people know how much he's making would they support him as much or would they be like dude come on like this is too much it's hard to say I don't think I don't think it'll would ruin it that much because he's sort of like I don't know I I think his routine only really like I think it only works on people who like want to believe it in the first place like you know what I mean like uh it's for like kids and people who just find him naturally funny you think that's it I have a hard time understanding who his fans are really yeah I feel like most people just t tune in just for like absurdism it's just like oh my god yeah oh he's got a lot of funny routines like yeah if you watch enough of his stuff you'll be you start to pick up. Do you watch a lot of really? Yeah. Yeah. He's got Man, I love this routine where he calls uh he was like buying the Travis Scott meal at McDonald's a lot. And he he kept calling it uh give me the Travis Skittles. Give me the Travis Skittles. This is really dumb, but uh you know, he's like pretending to not know what Travis Scott's name is. And uh it's just super funny. I think he called him a bunch of there was he'd do a routine where he he'd get back home with his mound of Travis Scott meals and he'd like talk to Siri and be like Siri who is Travis Skittles [laughter] and it would like pull up like all sorts of dumb results and he's like and he's like Travis Scott Scots Travis Scots or something like that and it would like bring up like a football player or something and he just would do that for I don't know 20 minutes [laughter] before he even eats. Gosh. See, I think if uh if if people saw that if it is a character and he's like he's got I got a smart business behind it. He's like, "Yeah, I have a team and this is this and we pull in this this amount of money and yeah, I have to do this right now, but it's doing so well." And I think people I I think he a lot of people gain respect for that. But I think then people would not tune in for the shock value because they know that it's it's like a business calculated move and it's working in his favor and if you watch you're playing into that. Yeah. Uh you might be right. I've had this uh discussion with uh How to Too Basic actually. Even the idea of like just revealing his identity do it and uh what's that? You should do it. Yeah. [laughter] I'm being serious. Is he on the fence ever or is it just like a clear no? It's a clear no. Yeah. Why? Oh, he just thinks it would ruin the uh the entertaining value of the channel. Like as soon as people know who he is, it's no longer interesting. Well, that means he has to I agree with that. Yeah, I do. But that means he has to continue with how to basic. Yeah. And I' I've seen the the recent videos compared like what he was doing a few years ago. Every video was like blowing up. But now I feel like people have seen the same sort of format over and over and over again. They know what to expect. Um I think I mean it's maybe not the same as it once was. Yeah, I would agree with that. But he is in a weird position. Well, I I actually didn't I don't think I realized that people came across his channel accidentally too often. I actually thought like people were like a little bit more tuned into it, but like I think most of the videos and views that have gone mega viral have been legitimately people being like, "Oh, you know, a a jello recipe or whatever." They'll click [clears throat] on it like normies and they'll be completely, you know, flabbergasted by it. It happened to me really the first time I watched it. I was just completely surprised. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think there's like there's just constantly new people flowing in and getting surprised by it. So, like I don't think he really needs to change it up too much. Okay. Um it's just a different uh he's got a good system. That's interesting. Does he work a job or is it just YouTube? He worked at Domino's for a while. Are you serious? Yeah. Like while he was still doing it. [laughter] Wait, why was he just for a meme? But he can't even share that meme with anyone. Oh, you shared it with me. So it was just for his friends. Yeah. Well, and then when people would ask him what he does, he'd be like, "I work at Domino's." But now here's But how much trust does he put in the people that know who he is? Like how many people would you say in the planet know who he is and know it is I mean there's probably a few hundred few hundred. Yeah, for sure. Wow. But how has it not been leaked by now? Uh, I mean it's I think it's been leaked in like some ways like it just depends on like where you're looking what you're looking for. And there have been so many leaks it's so probably hard to tell. It's like Yeah. Yeah. Because I did Oh gosh, when was this? Must been a few years ago. Oh, when he did the the the face reveal and then Max Mofo came on. Yeah. Yeah. You saw and I and that got me intrigued to be like who is this guy? So, I I started looking up and I saw all these like videos like this is him and this and but there's so many of them that I'm sure one of them is right, but you don't know which one is right. Yeah. Hey, was he there the entire time? Yes. This is uh I that's one of my uh many spells. I This is summon musly man spell. What's up? This is Brett. Hello. Hey Brett. Share like Lady in the [ __ ] We're eating spaghetti. Welcome Brett. Thank you. Welcome. So, how long have you been training for? You're going to be fighting coming up soon. Yeah. Yeah. I I've been enjoying this conversation. I don't get to talk like hear a lot of the other fighters like what's going through their heads. This is nice. Yeah. I started like end of November, beginning of December basically around the time AB did too. I think I think we started. Yeah. They started way before you guys. So, what have you what what's your trainer been teaching you? You have the same trainer as Michael Reeves, his opponent. I have two coaches, but Yeah. Well, Michael started really late, right? When did you start? Uh, January sometime. And I think Michael started February. But Michael's been training more, so like he could catch up to me even though I've started a little earlier. Yeah. Can I tell you that his cardio is really good? How's your cardio? I don't know. Is it actually really good? Our coach brought us to this like famous run that like Manny Pacquiao does up this really tall peak called Dante's Peak. Okay. And it was me, Odd One Odd Ones Out. and um and Michael and he just didn't stop. He just ran all the way up the hill like it wasn't Michael did it. Are you doing this to psych me out? Are you being serious? I have no I mean I have no I'm here in your as a guest. I'm here to help you. Yeah. No, he he really like it. It didn't affect him. I don't know why cuz we were dying for sure. It was He's probably pretty light so that could help. Yeah. He's like a got like field mouse energy. Like it's just like you could run from a hawk for hours and I'm not it's not a bit like So what that means maybe is when you go to LA you try to do that run to see where you're at. I'm I'm here basically the entire time through the fight. Okay. Yeah. Just I mean what's what's your cardio like? I What do you mean by do you feel confident like if you ran on a treadmill for like half an hour? How do you feel at the end of that half hour? I would be able to do a half hour. Okay. I guess I would start there. Yeah. [laughter] Like running for a half hour jog? I don't I don't like sprint on my runs. I I set it for like, you know, I don't know. I could do a mile in like 10 minutes when I was running. And I haven't really done a lot of running, but I usually it's a six and a half and I'll keep that going for But usually I'll do a few minutes at a time. Few minutes uh Mhm. quick walk, few minutes of that quick walk. So you've done running before, so it's like we used to run. Yeah, we did like uh what a year and a half ago. We'd go for runs like quite frequently actually. It was two miles. So a mile to to a park. We do uh chin-ups on a children's playground. Yeah. Sometimes we couldn't if they were playing on the playground. It was so awkward. We would wait for them to finish. Sometimes we do it if they were there. Kids [laughter] and the parents would be there and so we'd like wait for them to finish and we'd be like, "All right, now we could go in and we'd like do our chin-ups like that [laughter] and leave." So awkward. But yeah, it was. And then sometimes they wouldn't leave. So we're like, "Well, let's we're not going to tell them to." Sometimes we'd wait for them to leave because we'd like do a few other laps to see. Oh, yeah. go around the park sometimes like just pace, but we'd be like watching them. Yeah. We'd be looking and be like, "Oh, they left. Let's let's run over." Michael Reeves's cardio is very good. Yeah. Is what you're saying? My coach, is he going to be mad at me for telling for telling you that? I mean, that's just a fact. He is. He's just He's just See, I've I see I go to the Michael Reeves subreddit and they all say like, "Oh, he's jacked. He's jacked. He's like and and I've seen the one like he has one screenshot of him doing this, but like Jack doesn't do anything, but I don't know how often he goes to the gym. People are saying he goes to the gym like every day and I was like maybe I don't know. Yeah, I think you guys are doing the same amount to be honest. I think he's just a little bit younger. Yeah. [snorts] You know, um a little bit healthier. I don't know. Spry. Yeah. Has a little bit more power, has it in his jeans, the box, naturally gifted. [laughter] What you were saying though, it's like I think it's going through all of our heads though. Those moments where you're like, "What am I doing, man?" Like I we've all I think we've all had them and it's like it's not just you. Like literally everyone Michael is feeling that right now. Yeah. Like that is happening. No one's like I could do this. I'd like to go through what his head like what he would say about me if he or if he's like oh granted he's old. He's not going to you know his back is hurting. It's not going to [laughter] uh he he would probably say that. I think you'd say something like yeah he's old. [laughter] But I I don't think he he means it. I think it's a little bit of a front because I think everyone is like everyone that I've talked to candidly has been like, "Yeah, it's not it's not easy and it's I'm I am nervous and all the rest." Everyone's full of that that actually says that they're you know they're confident. Jake Paul, I like kind of believe it because he's gotten to the point where like his confidence has been boosted. Yes. But you talk to him on the before the first fight candidly and he's be like, "Yeah, I'm pissing myself." Like for sure. Human nature. Yeah. in those bad training days like we all have them. Oh, who's fighting first and who's last? Um, I think we're going to have uh Nathan Barnett, dad uh versus Matt Watson first. Why? Uh just because it's like uh I think it's how do I put it? It's one of the more interesting fights. Um, but I don't think they've spent as much time as some of our other fighters training. Mhm. Uh, so they're like in this kind of middle ground area where it's like most entertaining like a dynamic because they've done like diss tracks and stuff on each other. So it's like I think it's a good way to start the show. Uh, but we don't want to h you know we don't want to have like the biggest names first obviously. Yeah. And then obviously the last one is going to be me and Dr. Mike. And then where where am I going to be? Uh well, because you guys are uh you know some of the bigger names, we got to have you like at least final four somewhere. Final four fights. So you guys are going right before AB and Brett. How does that make you feel? Part of me wanted to go first. Yeah. Really? Like as being Yeah. Because then it's they get it over with the rest of the night. Right. Right. and because I know I'm not going to be able to think or concentrate on anything um until until I go. So part of me thought, well, if I'm first then at least I enjoy the rest of the night. Yeah, that is good logic because it is going to be but then also you don't set like there is no standard or precedent. Like if everyone's really good it's then I feel like there's a bar that needs to be set and by going first there's no bar. It's just no expectation. It's just go and do it. That's a great point. Yeah, that would be a good good reason if you're not confident in yourself. Well, I'm just saying you could put us first uh to get all the people in and then once they're watching continue. Okay. Maybe we'll order the uh the fights in like weight classes. Yeah. See, that's a good I There we go. settled. We'll do that. I think you're guys I think it's going to be a good fight. I think it's going to be a good matchup. I think so, too. Thanks. Cuz I mean at at your weight class, you guys move completely differently. Like you're definitely you're going you're faster than all of us. We're all in this like stupid weight category where we're really slow. Um and uh I think you guys will be super entertaining. Your your your fight and uh Minkx and Yodeling Haley. Those will be two very different fights than what people are used to. Oh, I'm curious. What are you doing to make money during all this? And you're not making any money? I'm not making any money during this uh event planning and just living off the savings. Yep. Living off savings. Uh there's a little bit of YouTube money trickling in. Uh Only Fans. Uh we got Only Fans on the back burner that's bringing a little bit in. I mean, it's covering rent and some other expenses. So, I got a question for you. Yeah. NFTTS. How many you got? Zero. Oh, no. Why do you have NFTs? No, I don't have any NFTs. I don't have any NFTs. No, you're not in the NFT space. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't understand it. No. Yeah. Well, it's Yeah, it kind of sucks. I agree. Yeah, [laughter] I'd rather Yeah, I'd rather But you are in a little bit in crypto. Yeah, Bitcoin. Bitcoin and Ethereum. Hell yeah. All in Safe Moon. No, no NFTs. You should get one NFT just uh just so to appeal to the young crowd. I'm too old for that. [laughter] I don't get NFTs. I don't get a lot of the altcoins. I don't understand a lot of stuff. Have you seen like uh like what Gary Vee is doing? The V friends. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's interesting. But his is more about the utility behind it of like if you get this you could get access to his like conferences and this and that. It's a network. I at least understand it. Yeah. It's better than a picture of just like some dog and then well not now it's going to single Dogecoin. I'm just like a cat. It doesn't matter. Just a picture of an animal on it. It's like it's worth more because it's only 10 of them and it has this animal on it. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. I think uh Yeah, Gary Ve's thing is interesting. Yeah. I I went on the website and I was like going through all the different like uh the V friends and it's so funny when you click on like what each one of them does, like a video of Gary pops up and he's like, "This is the workout eagle. if you got this, this means that I'll Skype you and we'll do a workout together for 10 minutes. Uh, and there's just like a ton of different ones like that. But it makes sense to me. You There's a price that someone's willing to pay for a Skype call plus a workout. Oh, totally. How much is it? And but to be able to sell that uh to somebody else who wants it, you could make your money back and someone else gets it. I I think it puts more power in that in that circumstance to the consumer. Like imagine he just says, "Hey, for $1,000 Skype call and workout, pay that. it's done. But if you own the rights to that Skype call and workout, you sell it to somebody else. Maybe they're going to pay more, maybe they pay less, but you'll recoup some of your money, he gets some of some of it back, someone else gets it for what they're willing to pay. That's the weird part about it though is like it doesn't in its form, it's like it's supposed to be proving like what this uh like uh that it's something owned. But if it's like a 10-minute Skype call, it's like once you use it, it's essentially expired. A group on. Yeah, it's like a group on. So, you almost may as well just like have a Kickstarter project or any other website that essentially promises it. It doesn't even need to be on a blockchain. Like, people can Yeah, I think NFTs are going to be huge, but not in the sense of like a collectible, but I could totally see Gucci on every bag that they do is going to be attached to an NFT just to verify that it's authentic. Cars, I think, would go the same way. M a lot of stuff that you could do. You could verify authenticity and ownership through an NFT. I don't think it's going to be like the NFT is the value. I think it it would be the medium of how you verify things. So, it's like it's good, but I don't think that's the value. Valid. Well said. That's what I think. So, and here's the thing, too. Imagine you could you could have done an NFT for this uh creator Clash event and that's how you get entry. I mean, like, if you buy this NFT, just charge the same price you would for a ticket. Mhm. Except they get to keep the NFT. It doesn't cost them anything extra. Mhm. And, you know, maybe maybe the front row maybe the front row should have, you know, 50 NFTs just for the front row. That's how they get in there. And um maybe those are worth more because it turns out to be a fantastic event and just auction them and do that. Yeah, Coachella did it. But and it works but but you would get for those front row 50 states people are willing to pay whatever the market is. The problem is it feels like they are it's it's I think a lot of people think it's like a limited thing but because everything can technically be made into an NFT. I watched like this seminar where it was like Quinton Tarantino and like uh like his team of NFT gurus were like talking about like you can make every frame of uh Pulp Fiction or that one scene an NFT and sell it and they thought was like the most brilliant thing but it's like yeah like is it is it the frame before like what if you make the frame right after it like an NFT as well. It's like it's like you can make it's infinite. So it's value is going to be attached to whatever and the meme itself like with the gun and Samuel Jackson like that's a meme that was created by someone else. It's also an NFT potentially. So it's value is going to be whatever people think it's going to be. But that that's the market price. But but where it gets sketchy is when people make big promises or this you're going to buy this NFT and you're going to flip it. That's the danger. But if someone's doing an NFT and it's and it's attached to it like if you do it in exchange of a ticket you get an NFT. That's how you get in. Doesn't cost anything extra and they're getting something for free that they can hold on to. Yeah. Yeah. If they care about it. Maybe. Maybe not. But, you know. Yeah. I wonder. Make a video about NFTs. Oh, yeah. I've been working on an NFD video. Have you really? Oh, yeah. Hate the darn things. [laughter] I'm I'm kind of with you. I'm with you on that, honestly. Oh, I don't know. Probably after the boxing event. Oh, gosh. I'm looking forward to seeing it. Yeah. It's not particularly controversial. Just same in here. All right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. Well, thank you guys so much for coming on. Really appreciate it. Looking forward to it. I guess uh I'll see you the next time. Maybe in Florida. I'll see you Boxing Day. Yeah. Prepare for war. All right. [snorts] [laughter] Okay. What are you going to do to Michael Reeves? Let's end it on this. I'm going to give him a free stock down below in the description when he signs up for public using the code Graham cuz that stock's worth all the way up to $1,000. You can't do that to his face. What are you going to do to his face? Give him bankroll coffee. Yeah, I'll give him B. No, I'm going to show him which stock I got. I'm going to be like, "Michael, here's what I got." What are you going to do to Dr. Mike's face? Kiss it. [laughter] Well, there we have it. All right. Thank you guys. Really appreciate it. All right. Until next time. Bye.