Video summary
The discussion centers on Amanda Seales, a Black radical and former cast member of HBO's *Insecure*, who was reportedly removed from the show for being too problematic to represent liberal values effectively. The speaker critiques her recent rhetoric as "rage bait" that fails to address structural economic realities, noting that giving violent criminals $50,000 checks would not significantly raise median household income or solve deep-seated issues. He draws a historical parallel between Black Americans and Chinese immigrants under the 1882 Exclusion Act; despite facing severe discrimination akin to apartheid, the Chinese community achieved high median incomes without demanding reparations in the same manner as some narratives suggest Black people should, challenging the idea that current struggles are solely due to systemic racism. A significant portion of the conversation addresses how statistics can be manipulated or misinterpreted depending on one's perspective and emotional state. The speaker argues that while data is essential for deep dives into issues like crime rates, it must always be viewed through multiple angles rather than accepted as absolute truth without skepticism. He observes a tendency in Seales' debates where she shifts from factual arguments to pure emotion when her statistical points are challenged, suggesting this indicates a narrative-driven approach over one grounded in reality. This dynamic is contrasted with another debater who remains calm and sticks to figures even under attack, highlighting the importance of maintaining composure and focusing on facts rather than retreating into emotional appeals about "love" or values that bypass factual evidence. The dialogue explores how police interactions vary drastically based on community demographics, using an anecdote where a wealthy Black man was treated with care by law enforcement while others in different neighborhoods were immediately arrested for minor infractions. The speaker explains that this disparity stems from officers mapping crime statistics to skin color and geography rather than individual behavior or poverty levels alone. He acknowledges the cycle of poverty created by historical trauma, including slavery, which traps many minorities economically, but argues against attributing all current outcomes solely to racism without considering other factors. To break free from these cycles, the speaker proposes a thought experiment: if Black communities had improved rapidly shortly after exiting slavery only to decline again over the last century, one must conclude that something changed in those intervening years rather than blaming an unchanging racist system. He points out similar success stories among Nigerian immigrants and Chinese Americans who faced systemic barriers yet achieved massive prosperity, suggesting that obsessing exclusively on race may actually be exacerbating the problem. The speaker cites a CNN breakdown by Satya Nadella regarding the usage of words like "slavery," noting a 5,000% increase in its frequency from 2000 to 2020 despite no actual rise in slavery itself, arguing that constant repetition and obsession with racial narratives are creating self-fulfilling prophecies rather than solving underlying issues.
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Amanda Seales is a black radical. She's
not a liberal. Yes, recently the
Democrats adopted black people so that
way they can have them vote for them.
>> Recently?
>> Since 1960?
>> I was going to say, yeah, yeah, yeah. If
you're trying to say since 1920, or
2020, I'm going to have a problem here.
>> She's not representing the left. So, I
just want to be respectful of the left.
Secondly, we have to understand who
Amanda Seales as is as a person.
Famously kicked out of Insecure, the
Issa Rae show that was on HBO for a
bunch of years because she was too like
>> Oh, I yeah.
>> was one of the one of the Emily's there.
It was it was a She was kicked out of it
for being too problematic. Having her in
this position, it literally was like
rage bait.
>> You can give everyone here like a
$50,000 especially people that are in
the streets who are committing violent
crimes consistently a $50,000 check is
not going to fix anything. It's not
going to increase the median household
income in the next 10 years by 10% or
20%. For example, you have the Chinese
Exclusion Act of 1882. We prevented
Chinese people from getting citizenship
and even entering the country. We
discriminated against them and basically
put them under apartheid even here in
the United States. Yet, they have the
highest median household income. How is
that possible? How come they don't
complain and feel entitled consistently
to beg for reparations and beg for this
when they are killing each other 90% of
the time, which is the rate that black
people kill each other according to the
FBI?
>> Oh, young Matt.
>> Yet, white people are the oppressors.
>> I'm not sure where your education came
from, but they lied to you.
>> Stats don't lie though.
>> Statistics lie all the time.
>> In fairness to her, statistics really
can be made to say just about anything
that you want them to say. You can look
at them from a different angle. You can
frame them in a way that does not mean
that you want to abandon statistics
because there can be real revelations in
the data, but you do need to be
skeptical of the data. You do need to
try to look at things from multiple
different angles. When I'm writing my
deep dives, a lot of times I'll get a
stat and I'll be like, okay, that's way
too convenient for my narrative. I need
to like go look at this from different
angles. Like, how do we end up here? How
was the study framed? I concede her
point, but what I saw a lot of from her
is when she's losing an argument that's
based on stats, she will just switch to
a pure like emotion. Think of me as your
mom, don't talk to me like that. It's
like that's not an argument. Especially
not when you're talking to people in a
way where I'm just like aghast. One
thing that I really like about the way
that Destiny debates and listen, I know
Destiny has his flaws and he will for
sure go unhinged. When people are
attacking him, he just almost doesn't
even acknowledge it. He just like keeps
going. Here are the stats, here are the
figures. She says something at the very,
very, very end of the debate literally
after everybody goes, they bring in a
few more people. This is done. The
debate's over. You've got like 3 minutes
left on the Jubilee video. Most people
are gone by now. And they brought a
couple more people out solo just to like
ask them a couple questions and she's
one of them. And she's basically like,
we don't need to be having this debate
or conversation. I forget which word she
used. At the level of data. We need to
be having this at the level of love. And
I thought, uh-oh, this is somebody who's
like I just I have a narrative that I
believe, I have a set of values that I
hold and we're going to argue from that
position. From there, if you map her as
that, somebody that legitimately doesn't
care what is sort of true, grounded in
factual reality and instead is like,
this is going to be narrative driven to
get to an outcome that I believe in,
then it's like, oh, all of a sudden the
there's a point where she's like, I'll
just keep raising my voice until you
stop. There is telling people they're
not going to talk to her like that,
telling her to stop stop stop when they
deliver a fact that she doesn't like,
saying that they're incorrect when the
fact checker's like, no, they're not.
Once you start mapping someone like
that, you realize that whole idea that
I've talked about many times in a
marriage where you'll be arguing about
the tea versus like what's the actual
thing. Like for this debate to work,
they would have to pull into the
conversation that I, Amanda Seals, do
not care about facts and figures. None
of that is relevant to me. This is about
leading with love and here's how I
believe that we need to manifest that
love. This is based on my beliefs, my
values, and that's it. And then at least
you can go, okay, well, I'm going to go
after your beliefs and your values or
I'm going to go after the very
fundamental nature of the premise and
say this can only be had at the level of
facts. Now, I get that that's boring as
hell. Like, that's terrible TV. So, I
understand why we're not going to do it,
but that's the only way that you're
going to get something productive out of
this.
>> I think what she's alluding to here
where stats and figures can be
manipulated is I dated my first white
woman
in college. I was like 22, 23 at the
time.
>> Or after First O.J., now Kobe. That's
it. No more white women.
I remember that chant. That was
hilarious.
>> I went to her house.
She lived in like a super community. Her
dad was loaded. I remember one time we
were out one night drinking, got to her
house at like 2:00 in the morning,
whatever. We're sitting on the couch
laughing and giggling. We see like a car
pull up and a cop like come behind it. A
cop knocks on the door. We kind of tense
up cuz we were drinking like, oh snap,
something happened. Her pops walks up
and the cop was like, yeah, sorry.
Caught Mr. So-and-so at the pub again,
you know, make sure he's good. Here's
his keys, whatever like that. And in
that moment I like smiled cuz I was
like, oh, this is hilarious. But that's
a thing that I often point to when we
look at these crime stats and we look at
certain things like that. In certain
communities, when a police shows up,
he's like, how do I help this community?
How do I take care of them? How do I do
these things? In other communities, when
I go there, I'm not talking, I'm not
asking questions, I'm throwing you in
the paddy wagon and I'm booking you. If
I was in that same exact position in
that same exact neighborhood, I don't
know if he would have been like, hey, do
you know anybody here? How can I get you
home? How can I make sure you're good?
That same logic can be applied to early
statistics that's done in elementary
education where black kindergarteners
and white kindergarteners do the same
thing. Black kindergarteners get
suspended, white kindergarteners get
talked to and put in put back into play.
There's different tent poles that we can
look through through different levels of
society. So, it's not even like murder
stats, yeah, you got me there. Black
people kill a lot of black people. I'm
not even going to argue that. But, when
you just say black people are
inherently, it's in their DNA, there's
all these crime stats.
>> The second you say DNA, we have beef. Um
because I know this is the big beef with
my audience, and I have a lot of empathy
for people in the audience that roll up
to the live who haven't seen me in
years, and they're like, "Oh my god,
like he's going to be doing mindset
stuff." And then I am not doing mindset
stuff. As the mindset guy, I will say
that you become what you repeat. We have
a perpetual motion machine, and the
perpetual motion machine is that we are
in a world where through a whole series
of obviously horrific things, starting
in slavery, echoing through today,
you've got a position where we have
trapped people in poverty. You're going
to see a lot of blacks especially, but
minorities just in general, end up in
that cycle of poverty. It is
economically right now so hard to escape
that. It's not impossible, but Jesus,
that cycle of poverty kicks off real
statistics that people really should
care about, and they should ask like,
"Uh-oh, like that's not good." If you
have a cop that's coming into that
situation, and life has taught them,
they're not mapping it to poverty. They
are mapping it to skin color. Mistake,
but nonetheless, I get how they end up
there. And so, they walk into a room
full of people that really are visually
tied to like way elevated crime
statistics. Now, if they're also
geographically in that space, now the
cop is like, "Okay, double whammy. They
look like the people who did a thing,
and they're in the neighborhood of
people who really do the thing." And so,
it is wiser from a safety perspective
for me to come in like way alert. So,
all of those things make sense. Where it
breaks down is, how the hell do we get
out of this? And that's where I'm
saying, you become what you repeat. And
right now, what we are repeating ad
nauseam, this is all racism, the system
is against you, it's all bad all the
time. When people point back and go,
"Hold on a second, when we had first
exited slavery, we very rapidly did
better as a community than we're doing
now. I look at that and I go, you can
rule out, as a thought experiment, I do
this with entrepreneurs all the time.
Run the thought experiment to see if you
can rule out some options. You can rule
out that racism is the thing that holds
you back when you realize that things
were better in the black community like
100 years ago. Something happened in the
intervening 100 years. You can just rule
out that this is a problem of racism.
You may come back to well, then what we
have to do is be insular again. We have
to be cloistered communities. We have to
reject integration with with uh white
society. That strikes me as a terrible
idea, but at least that I would
understand why you would come to that
conclusion. And I don't have a thought
experiment in America to rule that out.
Cool. Now we at least have a place where
we can start. And this is what I think
he's getting at is like the Chinese were
put far briefer, but the Chinese were
put through something equally horrible
in America. Literally the system was
against them. And now, later down the
road, massive success. Same with
Nigerian immigrants. Massive success. As
you start getting into trying to get to
the cause and effect, my hope is that
people look at those things and go,
"Okay, cool. The narrative that we're
using A just doesn't map to reality. And
then B, if Tom is right and you become
what you repeat, we are making everyone
obsessed with race by talking about it
all the time. And I always forget her
name, Satya something, just did a whole
breakdown of this on CNN. The increase
in the word, uh I think it was slavery
and something else, from like 2000 to
2020 goes up by like 5,000%.
We haven't had a 5,000% increase in
slavery from 2000 to 2020. So, there's
something else going on. And if I'm
right that you become what you repeat,
the mere fact that we now obsess over
race is making race a bigger problem.