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In this episode, Sarah Safari explores the evolving landscape of female attractiveness and fitness culture, noting a shift from thinness to muscularity often termed the "muscle mommy" movement. Reflecting on her own journey from being extremely underweight at 100 pounds during high school to building significant muscle mass in just six months starting in May 2021, she emphasizes that confidence and how one carries themselves are paramount, though physical attributes like abs remain a personal goal for many women. Safari critiques the internet's obsession with arbitrary aesthetic standards, such as thigh gaps or leg lengthening surgery, arguing that true sex appeal stems from posture and behavior rather than just genetics or diet. She highlights the double-edged sword of social media fame; while it provides financial freedom to support her family and peace of mind, it also subjects women to intense scrutiny and creates a "nightmare scenario" where they are constantly aware of being watched by men, leading some to feel victimized even when looking at gym equipment. The conversation delves into the changing dynamics of online behavior and dating culture, particularly regarding Gen Z men who prioritize socializing over traditional milestones like driving or getting jobs later in life. Safari discusses a specific incident involving Joey Swol finding his new content arc after being accused of staring too much while filming a woman doing glute bridges; she argues that internet reactions often swing between unfairly canceling individuals and lowering the bar for acceptable behavior, potentially creating anxiety among young women without resetting expectations on what constitutes harassment versus normal gym observation. She also touches upon the "slow life strategy" adopted by younger generations, characterized by delayed adulthood markers like obtaining driver's licenses or moving out of parents' homes, suggesting that while this reduces immediate risk-taking, it may delay necessary personal growth and responsibility for future leaders. Safari addresses the intersection of combat sports and influencer culture, analyzing how figures like Logan Paul and KSI have reshaped boxing into entertainment spectacles similar to WWE rivalries rather than pure athletic contests. She debates whether these influencers bring a positive influx of younger audiences or dilute the sport's integrity, ultimately concluding that it is largely a win-win scenario for ticket sales and pay-per-view numbers despite criticisms about manufactured feuds. The discussion extends to broader cultural topics like the Bud Light controversy, where she advocates against canceling brands or individuals based on isolated incidents while acknowledging the validity of concerns regarding self-objectification in platforms like OnlyFans. She questions whether monetizing one's image through such services is truly empowering for women when it involves transactional relationships with men and potential long-term stigma, comparing it to the health impacts of vaping as a "thin end of the wedge" for nicotine addiction. Looking toward her future after completing her Master’s degree, Safari expresses interest in pursuing a PhD or securing roles that allow her to work on both the creative front-end and business back-end of influencer marketing. She stresses the importance of protecting one's passion from becoming toxic labor as monetization increases, noting that she currently avoids tracking macros because it would ruin the joy of eating intuitively without alcohol. Her immediate plans include increasing YouTube output frequency and potentially collaborating with high-profile guests like Jordan Peterson or Alan Watts for future episodes. Throughout the interview, she maintains a balanced perspective on body positivity versus societal pressure, encouraging listeners to find physical activity they genuinely enjoy rather than viewing it as a chore, while remaining critical of role models who publicly champion virtue but privately engage in contradictory behaviors.
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Sarah Safari welcome to the show Hello
thank you for having me how are you good
how are you very good thank you talk to
me about the muscle mummy movement I'm
hearing about it on the internet that
guys there's like a move away from thin
SPO to fit SPO to now muscle mummy which
is the step up and even though you only
just heard about the word today it feels
like you're part of that movement yeah
people have been commenting like guys
comment on my posts like muscle momy
sometimes and like I'm not going to lie
I kind of like it but today was the
first time that I've heard like women
addressing themselves as muscle mommy or
each other as muscle mommy Jim Shar did
a muscle mommy t-a yes and I was at the
event and I like even you know girls
talking on the intercom or whatever
they'd be like okay muscle mommies like
let's keep pushing and I was like I've
never heard this like I haven't heard
like women addressing women as muscle
mommies I thought it was more of like a
like kind of joking flirty type thing
that guys comment on girls posts on
Instagram taken the word and make made
it your own so
uh you're 23 22
22 you probably growing up would have
seen body types change from I guess when
you were maybe 11 12 13 through to now
for sure talk to me about like that
ideal female shape and kind of the
lessons that you took about what an
attractive woman is physically over time
for me growing up um at first I was
really skinny and then through high
school like I would always in fluctuate
in weight like I'd go anywhere from 130
lbs to 100 lb um which is a pretty big
difference when you already weigh like
kind of low um but I would always be
told by my mom like confidence is what
makes you like most attractive like it's
not what you look like it's who you are
and how you carry yourself sorry and so
that's what you know I was taught
growing up but for me personally if I
ever saw a girl with abs I loved it I
loved the look of it I thought it was
like
so I don't know attractive to me like
that's what I was aiming for that's what
I wanted but I never knew how to get
there like I didn't know like oh how
does a girl get abs like I thought it
was just all genetics but no diet comes
into play working out comes into play so
and now does this move you remember when
thigh gaps were a thing when everybody
wanted a thigh gap bro yes I remember
being at lunch in high school and like
girls would look at each other and be
like oh you have it oh you don't the
most toxic thing ever and I remember
like I didn't have one at the time or
like I I don't think I ever had one but
I would go home and I'd like beat myself
up about it because like girls would be
pointing out how it's like good to have
a thigh gap and interesting like the
internet's kind of become very obsessed
physically with the way that people
appear like both guys and girls you know
guys are getting leg lengthening surgery
you seen this I haven't heard get yeah
they get the I'm pretty sure it's The
Shins extended yeah they break the shin
stretch it a bit the bone regrows they
break it again and keep on going and
guys can add inches to their height and
my point being that people are like
optimizing for really
weird kind of not arbitrary but they're
optimizing for like weird stuff yeah one
of the things that nobody ever talks
about is that sort of hotness or sex
appeal that people have just from the
way that they hold themselves yeah and
from the way that they act I think that
that has a huge amount of appeal to
people even if you don't want to admit
it I think if someone is confident it
can make them from a six to an eight
depending how they carry themselves I
think for sure it can and obviously
online dating and spending tons of time
on Instagram negates a lot of that like
you don't get to see that even in a pose
somebody can pose themselves in a sexy
way and not have the com the confidence
to be able to pull it off face to face
and vice versa yeah for sure so you have
managed to gain quite a bit of notoriety
in a very short space of time I think
the number
one job or occupation that young kids in
America say that they want when they
grow up is influencer or YouTuber uh and
in China it's astronaut or like some
other some other Co like something
that's way less lame yeah um talk to me
about this rapid gain in status for guys
there's an
obvious Advantage at least on the
surface yeah for more people know me I
have status girls will like me but for a
girl to gain millions of followers in
basically no time at all I know that
that seems interesting to me that
there's there's probably more advantages
that people wouldn't see and then some
disadvantages we wouldn't see as well so
what's that being like yeah I think for
me I'm I'm not going to lie I think the
money has been a great great part of it
but for me I'm not someone who spends my
money on materialistic things like I was
just telling you how I have fake shoes
on like they were 100 bucks you've blown
it to the internet yeah no they know I
think if they know they've watched my
content they know that I don't like
Splurge you know I I save all the money
I make like maybe when I go to In-N-Out
I can eat a little bit better like I can
order the fries or order the 4x4 instead
of just like the single burger but for
me like the money's nice because now I
know I have the power to you know if my
mom needs a new car I can be the one
that does that for or like you know
we're looking to like moving out maybe
getting a new house I know that I can
pitch in and carry my weight financially
and something like
that um so I think just like not
necessarily physic having the money but
having the Peace of Mind of knowing that
you know I can support myself or my
family and what's the increase in
attention being like you just came from
this big gym shark event that we were
both at yeah and you got swamped by men
you say that 90% of your audience is men
yeah and you're a 5 foot three hey 5
foot
four give me a break ID you're a you're
a small girl that's being surrounded by
a [ __ ] ton of men yeah like talk to me
talk to me about this like this is this
is in some regards like a nightmare
scenario that girls literally would
would hate and then in other regards
this is the price of doing business for
you yeah for me like today I realized
how many people came up and was like
Sarah like you're really funny I love
your content and I think that's the best
compliment for me to get is being like
Oh you're funny or you know it's more
than just like oh it's just like another
hot girl on Instagram posting bikini
pictures like if they find some kind of
value for my content even if it's just
humor like sure I'm not giving anything
educational but if they are laughing
while watching my videos or watching me
[ __ ] with Bradley or you know whatever
it is like that makes me happy because I
know like after I watch Like A Danny
Duncan video or a jyon video like I feel
good you know like I was laughing
through the 10-minute video so what
about the negative sides of the
attention have you had many I've had
some I've had some
like maybe the best not to say them to
not dress like very much attention to
those things but I've had some some
weird or bad experiences with people um
but for the most part it's all been good
I feel like regardless whatever I
involved myself with even if I was you
know using my degree and working a 9
to-5 job it wouldn't all be good there
would still be some bad bad days there
would be you know arguments with people
I work with there would be downfall uh
downfalls in other in other aspects of
you know working at an office from 8 to
5 so I'm definitely seeing a Move online
of like a this one of the dudes from the
UK made a video called the jimro culture
2.0 and he was talking about the move
from the more like ziz
era exclusive body side stuff to a more
holistic integrated it's life advice
it's an older brother rather than a
party friend type thing I would be
interested I I definitely think if you
look at the fitness world for girls it's
still pretty tra
in the it's all about your condition
your tan the size of the bikini uh and I
wonder I don't know like if you have a
personality as a girl who's also into
fitness whether some people and this is
the same for guys too whether they
almost feel like if I let the weirder
side out of me that this is going to I
don't have many role models that do that
or if I let the more intellectually
curious side out of me that this isn't
what people want on the internet because
all they want I need to be leaner I need
to be bigger I can't show any
personality and it seems like it feels
to me a little bit like the tides
shifting with that yeah no for sure I
think I think it is Shifting um I think
that you know there's people on social
media I know there's one guy that works
out at zoo culture and he does not have
the traditional body type uh like
whatsoever but he is the funniest person
online he is um super caring like he'll
always ask me like hey I want to do this
bit like would this be okay with you
like I want to be respectful of you
would this be okay with you like it's
just he crosses like all you know he
checks all the boxes to make sure he
does does a good job and he's so funny
online his name is Felipe but he is so
funny but in no ways would you look at
him and think oh that's your typical
like influencer
bodybuilder talk to me about this new
trend of Girls Tik tocking guys looking
over while they're doing videos you
spend a lot of time in the gym you're in
the age bracket you're big on Tik Tok
you're big on social media platforms
give me your lay of the land what do you
think about this trend I I
think I think sometimes guys looking at
girls depending on you know the age Gap
I think the age Gap does matter I think
you know if you're a 22-year-old girl
and there's a 25-year-old guy like just
you know glancing over here and there
like without like constantly staring you
know might be his way of shooting his
shot or whatever on the other hand if
he's 55 years old and like he's just
continuously staring at you that could
be off but then he also might be looking
at you cuz you have a camera propped up
and he's like what is this girl doing
like I don't know what this is you know
or he might want to try to not be in the
frame why do you think this is happening
why do you think that this trend is is
occurring like do you think that these
girls actually feel this way honestly no
I don't think I think that like you know
sometimes maybe they catch it in the
moment and they think like oh this is
what's going to make me blow
up because I see myself as a very like
I'm con constantly aware of who's
looking at me or my surroundings or
whatever or you know if I'm walking out
of the pool and I see a guy look a
little bit too much I'm like can I help
you you know I'm constantly aware of
that but never have I been around other
girls and I see them being that aware of
things not usually I feel like girls
aren't usually
that that aware of it and I suppose when
you're videoing yourself and you watch
your back and you go oh oh like oh God
that's your external awareness almost
yeah
yeah so here was the thing that I
thought when that that main huge video
went out and the girl did it and then
she did the apology and Joey swole like
found his new content Arc
um what happened there
was people that spend a lot of time on
the internet use other stories from the
internet as a guide a guard rail and a
guideline for how they should behave as
well lots of girls looked at that
situation and if you'd said to me if
You' just shown me the video in
isolation I couldn't see the comments I
couldn't see the likes and said what do
you think's the response to this it
could have gone either way I could have
seen it as a CO toss that the internet
would have flamed the guy and said
that's too much that's out of order and
cided on the sort of victim hyper
sensitive side yeah or they could have
gone the way that they did go which is
he looks over three times in 90 seconds
you're pointing a camera at him and your
shorts are in your ass yeah what did you
expect and you can't do a glute Bridge
like what' you expect yeah so what
happened the way that I saw it and this
is kind of why it's so
interesting lots of people that spend
lots of time on the internet look at
situations like that that are kind of
landmark opportunities for a common
scenario to play out online and they use
the way that that Fallout occurs as a
barometer for how they should feel if it
happens in their life in future yeah and
I see yeah because the push back was
there lots of girls now realize that oh
if a guy looks over three times in 90
seconds while I'm doing a glute Bridge
maybe that's the sort of thing that I
don't need to be too concerned about the
problem is it could have gone the other
way and that now lowers the ceiling for
guys to be scared that if they look over
too much whether they mean to or whether
they don't that they're going to be in
trouble but the other one is it makes an
increasingly fragile generation of young
girls who feel victimized and concerned
if a guy does look over well I saw this
video on Tik Tok and the whole internet
said that they need to if this happens
that that's unspeakable and I've heard
about the dangers of me too and I
shouldn't walk alone at home at night
this is too much so it almost you're
almost Outsourcing your anxiety level to
the internet yeah and
it's purely by fortune and you know like
the way that the internet responded that
that didn't reset most gym girls
expectations that that's something to be
scared or offended by yeah but also
coming from the other you know other
side I I can see see myself like if a
guy is squatting I could see myself
looking over not because I'm trying to
hit on him but because I'm like wow like
his form is so good or wow he's breaking
90 degrees or his knees are being pushed
out very well or that's a lot of way
like oh how many reps is he going to go
for I can I totally do that in a non-
likee sexual way whatsoever how do you
hit on guys at the gym have you ever had
to do it no I no it's just all inbound
for you in culture no I'm not saying
it's all inbound but I'm saying that
like I don't think the gym is
necessarily wear to be approached so I
don't think I'd want to approach someone
in the gym why wouldn't you want to be
approached in the gym you like the gym
it is the only two hours out of the 24
hours that I get to
enjoy why what else are you doing for 22
hours laying in bed doing homework
eating true sleeping like it's my like
two hours of like you know Friday nights
people like you know go out with their
homies have a good time that's every day
for me from the hours of 11 to one at
the gym what about when you finish your
Masters what are you going to do
then maybe I'll get a PhD I'm kidding
well talk to me about that okay so how
much harder has dating been for you with
all of this attention you can't go it's
going to be like if you go for dinner
with somebody if you go out on a date
with somebody the difficulties increased
exponentially and now it's all over
Snapchat yeah I yeah it has made things
harder for sure um especially if like
you know the person you're seeing or
you're with doesn't do what you're doing
so they don't understand that sometimes
like for me like I don't drink but going
to an
event sometimes I have to go because I
think like oh what about the business
connections I could make from going to
that event or the people I can meet or
whatever not in a you know not in a
relationship intimate way but in a
business relationship type way and I
feel like sometimes it's hard for you
know people that aren't doing this to be
like well no you don't have to go to
that or you don't have to go to Vegas
for this or you don't have to go to
Miami for that and I'm like well no I
don't have to but I feel like there
would be connections there if I did go
also suppose if someone isn't in the
industry they get injected into this
level of surveillance and scrutiny that
you have that they didn't sign up for
yeah and now you're like oh why don't we
go see Oppenheimer or whatever and you
go oh by the way people might like come
up and ask you to take a photo of them
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that's interesting talk to me about guys
your age it's like this a a [ __ ]
moral Panic on the internet about gen
Zed men especially they're
pathologically fapping their way through
a Monster Energy fueled video game and
porn binge like what what a gened guys
like the ones that you either grew up
with or sometimes try and speak to with
regards to dating or or anything what
how do you categorize them how do you
classify them I feel like there's a lot
of growing to do from the ages of from
the age of 22 to like 27 for men and I
think you know 22y old men just aren't
there yet necessarily and I think that I
am I'm pretty mature for my age
um and I think the guys that I've
countered for the most part just aren't
there
yet they're just immature maybe caught
up
with kind of a younger mindset yeah so
what are they doing like what are
they what are they prioritizing what are
they concerned about I think they
prioritize friends a good amount which
isn't a bad thing I'm just saying
friends a lot partying going out you
know
drinking I wonder how much if that's an
LA thing I think a good amount of it
might be an LA thing I think if you go
like to a rural rural town in Kansas
maybe it's not as much yeah have you
heard of slow life strategy do you know
about this slow life strategy yeah so
there's a it seems at the moment based
on the data that gen Zed both guys and
girls a little bit younger than you um
you would probably be at the very front
of this wave um getting the driver life
later moving out of home later uh
getting a job later not partying as much
not drinking as much not taking drugs so
they've got generalized risk of verion
they're not doing the risky things that
previous generations of that age would
but they're also not even really doing
the adult things like the number of 16
to 20 year olds who don't have a
driver's license is the highest ever
really you think Co had a like a push
back in that maybe maybe it could be
that people just became more isolated
stopped if that's your formative years
if
you're 15 and Co hits and you're 18 and
Co finishes you've just grown up all you
can remember basically being the person
that you are is this hermit at home
playing fortnite or whatever um but what
it makes me think about is what when
these people do need to grow up you
mentioned young guys could do with maybe
growing up a little bit more quickly
yeah if they want a chance and
it makes me wonder whether that's going
to keep getting pushed further and
further andur not but I don't know it's
uh I think for me one of the biggest
turn-ons or pluses a guy can have is
being motivated or like dedicated to
something even if that's Plumbing you
know just something that like every day
you want to do and work towards to being
better at you know whether that's the
gym or a job like Plumbing or being a
dentist being an astronaut like whatever
you know just something to work towards
rather than just kind of laying back and
like kicking your feet up and just
enjoying day by day I think it's like
that's great and everything but I think
you have to have something that every
day you're trying to improve drive and
motivation and ambition I think are very
sexy and competence as well yeah like if
you can manage to hit the sweet spot
with a partner of someone who you are
attracted to but you admire as well holy
F like you've got a a partner that's
your role model that's an unbelievably
potent cocktail I think for attraction
um I didn't I it's so strange to think
about what that is for girls because you
know guys can just go out and get their
drive and and do the things that
typically are sort of masculine traits
be very interested in what the
equivalent is for a girl you know like
what is it that a guy would find in
feminine traits that they want to absorb
into themselves do you know what I mean
I don't know one time I was on Brad's
pod and I was like oh like I don't cook
or clean and then everyone was like I
still don't live those comments down I'm
like okay I've been practicing now but I
will never live those comments down like
oh like why would you ever want her she
can't cook or clean Jesus Christ would
just get made if you that like you don't
need a wife you need a maid yeah I was
like bro I'm not going to I mean I don't
think I could ever see myself doing
someone else's laundry maybe my mother's
but my partners never well you just need
to earn a bit more money and then you
can pay the maid to do it yeah I'm like
bro I'll pay someone to do it I wasn't
opposed to a house Chef I'm so I think I
think I think part of that is is that
they associate a lack of willingness to
do traditional household things with
a non-traditional relationship that is
just not going to be as as enjoyable
it's an a less feminine uh sort of woman
yeah and the polarity between
masculinity and femininity what the the
subtext is I'm not doing the washing you
are yeah right which is and guys are
like whoa whoa who exactly if you're not
doing it I'm definitely not doing it
yeah right so I do understand and I do
think you know there's lots of talk
about masculinity and and stuff like
that what about the other side of the
fence are you seeing challenges that
young girls have with femininity at the
moment of like finding their role within
the world whether they should be a Trad
wife or a like
a sex positive sleep around girl party
girl whether should be a Hermit I don't
know I think hard especially with social
media and like most of the girls you see
on social media are
like you know there's there's two sides
of it of course but there's a lot of
like um like sex symbols you see on
social media or even if it's not like
sex symbols you see like these hot
beautiful girls that may or may not have
had work done but in swimsuits or
whatever and for a lot of people it's
hard to like you would never get there
but like that's who you see on a daily
basis on your phone so that's that's
what you want or that's what you want to
strive towards
but yeah so I think it's hard to say
what kind
of what ex like extent to femininity
girls look for but I think it social
media hasn't made it easier it's
confusing it's confusing for sure and
look at some of the role models that
were held up as okay so this is really
really where you know this is someone
that's charging forward and really
getting it right lizo fighting for girls
all over the place and then the bottom
falls out and it turns out that she's
making her dancers eat bananas out of
strippers vaginas weight shaming all of
the people as this Champion for body
positivity and Ellen degenerous as well
turns out that she's a total prick to
work with um yeah it's like and it's the
people that you would think that were
like the most understanding that turned
out to not be I don't know whether it's
people that you would think I think it's
people that portray yeah correct yeah
people that portrayed themselves to be
like the most understanding or accepting
of
everyone that turn out to be the
shittiest like the senator that's
pushing the hardcore anti-gay
legislation that goes home and secretly
watches gay porn on VPN right yeah um
it's I think it's fascinating and
there's a part of that you know the
because people's actions are way less
visible than their words online like the
thing that you tweet is way more
important than the thing that you did
because no one sees the thing that you
did but they see the thing that you
tweeted y so when you look at the people
that are the most
forthcoming about being virtuous or
morally grandstanding or I'm holier than
thou when you see that that to me a lot
of the time
signals there's probably something going
on there unless I can really really
prove it and I didn't see it with lizo
not that I like a lizo scholar um but
you're a lizo fan yeah I I didn't look
at her and
see yeah this is someone who's really
working hard to try and find the next
like front
for female body emper or like that it
seemed like someone doing a grift it
seemed like someone that had managed to
capture they managed to capture a
particular narrative and was just
leaning into
it
yeah Brad versus Logan who
wins yo Brad's gonna flame me if I don't
say Brad's gonna
win in a street fight no in the ring in
a the ring in the boxing okay see you
made it harder that's the fight that
they're talking about no no Brad was
talking about street fight like yo I'm
260 pull up outside the gym I'll rock
your [ __ ] okay who wins in the street
fight Brad in the ring
Logan managed to pull that fence out of
your ass somehow thank you don't kick me
off Ry
Bradley I'm kidding but Brad is
like obscenely strong too he's quick
he's stronger than Chris Bumstead right
they had C on the podcast and Brad was
like yo don't compare our numbers
because it's not fair I like Hang on
we're talking about a world champion I
trained with Chris Chris is a an he's
one of those guys that's got big hands
like dude you've even your hands are
even muscular um so yeah he is strong
but I don't know I mean Brad better get
on that cardio game if he wants to try
and do five or eight rounds he's strong
and he's also like a weirdly athetic
like he can do like weirdly High box
jums or like
like I don't know I just do you think
he'd do it do you think he would
actually go for a boxing fight yeah with
Logan with Logan probably because now
Logan has called him out Brad would look
like a brad would look like a wimp if he
didn't but Logan hasn't said that he'll
do it personally he said he had found
someone for Brad to fight right uh I
don't know I didn't I didn't dig into
the the specifics of it but I know that
they'd had beef and they had like
Twitter beef which feels old school for
people that are kind of Instagram and
YouTube Stars it seems so high school a
little bit but I'd love to see that yeah
I think it would be an insanely like
good PR for both of them they both bring
clout to the table
like OG's yeah everybody loves them
equally like different camps love them
equally as well which is
interesting what's your what do you you
went to the Jake Paul fight the other
week what do you make of this world of
where Bryce just won a bare knuckle
fight I that
the first thing that I've ever the first
uh situation I've ever seen Bryce get
into I didn't even know he's doing bare
knuckle and then he goes up against a
guy who's been doing a good a good bit
and wins yeah he wins I think he
technically W youe to an injury but he
wins yeah he won but he called it too
Bryce was like I'm going to win in round
two and he won in round
two F play would you do you want to step
in the ring bear Knuckles no just boxing
I would do boxing I'd fight someone who
you want who do you want to fight who'
you hate
there's no you have any enemies there's
no one that I hate per se there's been
people I think that have hated me who's
your biggest beef Bean
with I haven't personally had beef who's
beefed with you the most who's beefed
with me
yeah I don't know if I can I don't know
I don't want to bring attention to her
go she doesn't deserve it all right you
can just punch her you can just punch
her in the face and bro I'm telling you
right now I would cut down to her weight
and beat the [ __ ] out of
her no I'm kidding but I think that um I
would definitely I think it'd be dope to
do like an influencer boxing type thing
like people who haven't fought before
getting in the ring same weight class
you know both had three months six
months training leading up to the fight
and then fighting each other yeah that'd
be dope doesn't have to be mared
Knuckles like little boxing and it's so
funny how the world of Combat Sports now
has really been reshaped by it right you
know you've got Francis and ganu and
Tyson Fury fighting each other you know
a UFC Legend up against the greatest
living heavyweight fighter potentially
the greatest ever and I don't think that
that would have happened had KSI Logan
Paul not happened and had uh Mayweather
McGregor not happened and if you track
it all the way back it was two British
guys forever ever ever ago like yeah
seven or eight years ago or something
that that kicked it all off and now
you've got who's Logan's next fight
Dylan danis yeah and then KSI is
fighting some guy I don't know he's like
big big time but I don't know him point
being before it was we can't believe
that these influences are coming in and
ruining the the sweet science of boxing
and now Downstream the purest boxing
people are following the model fighting
the influencers precisely correct right
so funny because I think that at the end
it's a win-win for everyone because more
you know the influencers bring a little
bit a different crowd the younger crowd
they bring a little bit more PR to it
whatever it might be I think they bring
a different audience to it that you know
helps them both sells tickets gets
pay-per-view
watches It's Entertainment as well yeah
it's entertainment and you know when
people say this is getting like WWE and
they're talking about baseball or
they're talking about NFL or whatever or
NBA I realized this the other week what
they mean is what happened was
WWE essentially took the sport element
out of sport and all that you had to do
was reverse engineer the best way to
create the Rivalry and then we'll you
don't need to worry about the outcome of
the contest because we already know
what's going to happen because we can
write that right so when people say this
is becoming like WWE what they mean is
they found the model of how to create a
rivalry and this rivalry is starting to
look like that so really all it is is
these people in NBA or whatever zeroing
in on a really really heated rivalry
that compels people I don't think it's
fair necessarily to say this is becoming
like WWE they split tested for you know
decades and decades the best oh we're
going to have the heel we're going to
have like the redneck guy we're going to
have the cleancut heart throb we're
going to have the Renegade artist we're
going to have the Mexican dude that's
got the Hat the face mask on yes yes
yeah yeah so you just have this very
effective way at garnering attention in
a sport and you don't need to worry
about the sport and now we're seeing it
get cross and you've seen uh drive to
survive which is the Formula One Thing
uh full swing which was for golf
breakpoint that was for tennis
quarterback now it's all about uh
NFL and people are interested in what's
going on behind the scenes which is
exactly why you have to post 140
SnapChat photos again every single day
people care about more than just like an
Instagram picture here or there they
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slod wisdom I've asked this question to
a bunch of different
people if you only had 10 exercises for
the rest of your life to hold on to as
much muscle or build as much muscle as
you could which ones would you choose
and why 10 exercises 10 exercises you
can be anything you want but you've only
got 10 okay let's start off leg press
okay for you know you can do different
variations in it you can hit like
different parts depending on how you put
your
legs
rl's bar dumbbells single
leg barbell Ario barbell Ario is
Hardcore okay cool yep okay military
press with the barbell military press
shoulder press no standing so you can
brace your core I mean you only get 10
exercises here okay right yeah yeah so
you've made an ab exercise out of a
shoulder exercise good um incline
dumbbells every single person has said
incline dumbbell press chest press
yeah yeah phenomenal yeah yeah can't go
wrong yep that's full
right gosh okay what are is it decline
or incline I always confuse myself when
you lean back a little bit and you do
the curls I think that's technically
incline but I know exactly what you mean
yes cuz I always mess it I know what you
mean those curls with dumbbells
supern so like from neutral to supern or
do you keep it cuz some people keep it
locked out like that and I keep it
locked out like that yep yeah so it's
almost like a I think it's called like a
y Co while you're here those suck so
hard and you're so weak on those you
know the bottom of the movement and it's
you flex your tricep at the bottom five
kilos you go and then it starts okay
that's five so we've got five leg press
rdl's with a
barbell military press
standing incline dumbell chest press
yeah with
dumbbells that last one you just
whatever is okay so halfway through
halfway through smoked legs are okay
chest's okay shoulders are okay biceps
right weighted Pull-Ups for back okay
that's I think maybe one of the only
back exercises I need overhand underhand
neutral I'm not a [ __ ] come on overhead
okay Chris Bumstead said neutral oh [ __ ]
I mean neutral right that's six okay uh
gosh this is
hard hammer curls to hit the other head
of the bicep right okay yeah standing
hammer curls uhhuh it's a lot of biceps
now with the pull-ups with the two sets
of curls okay yeah we're good with
biceps now more B I think I'm going to
have to do lateral lateral raises for
shoulders yep oh my God I didn't hit any
triceps do I have one more exercise
you've got two left I think two left
yeah um Skull Crushers yeah tell you
what but uh I forgot that I did 5 years
ago and then rediscovered it the other
day uh lying skull crushes so going to
the floor and taking it from the floor
as opposed to going from a bench because
you can go from a dead stop and it means
that if you need to fail you can always
you you're never scared of literally
smashing yourself in the face or falling
off the back of the bench yeah uh and it
feels really comfy you know sometimes if
you bring your feet up on a bench and
you feel like I'm wobbly a little bit
fall off um yeah okay skull crushes so
you got one left from all of
that and then I think I'm going to have
to do hanging leg races grabs yeah yeah
that's the most popular ABS exercise as
well yeah Ryan Terry uh Chris Bumstead
both of them so one of those weird
things everyone trains everyone's kind
of got a confusion around training abs
and all the people that have got good
midsections yeah everyone always asks me
what's your like ab workout and I'm like
maybe once a week I'll either hit
decline sit-ups you know with like a
weight with pounds or I'll do hanging
leg raises but um most of it is just
like even bracing my core and any other
workout um I do vacuums or just what you
eat well you I think you came into
training pretty underfed right you was
crazy crazy talk through that like where
you were at bodywise and then sort of
your progression of training in the gym
yeah so I was going through a hard time
I was like the lowest I had ever weighed
I was 100 pounds and I was very insecure
with myself um I would always wear baggy
clothes because I hated how like I felt
like I just looked sick like that's how
skinny I was I remember my meals would
like a McDonald's little burger like off
the dollar menu and a large Coke would
be my meal for the
day that's all you'd eat that's all I
would eat I remember at 700 p.m. usually
I'd get up and go get that and then
drive around the town for an hour and go
back
home like my mental health just was so
poop it was
crappy and I think that went on for
about six months and then I was it was
just like a switch I was tired of
spending literally every hour in bed and
like just moping around low energy low
confidence and then I was like you know
what like I have nothing better to do
might as well hit the gym was there a
moment was it or was it just a
progression over time of becoming
increasingly fed up with that
I don't think there was a moment per se
but I think I just got tired of feeling
so
shitty like I was tired of feeling tired
and and like I was just so unhappy with
myself how old were you I was
20 yeah about two years ago
20
um and then I remember I literally
remember like what I was wearing that
day and I remember the drive to the gym
to sign up for the gym membership um i s
i remember I wore glass glasses I didn't
think like I was like I'll get the
membership today and I'll start tomorrow
or whatever I went in I got the
membership and then I started that same
day I wore my glasses to work out
whatever I just it was weird but I
remember it and then um I worked out and
then I went home and I was like well I
had seen Tik toks like right after you
work out you have to eat something like
high protein like I'm going to eat like
half a piece of salmon and I was like
anything is better than like a
McDonald's burger at this point so I
remember I was just like I would learn a
little bit on Tik Tok I'd learn a little
bit from my brother I'd learn like
people that just work out I would talk
to them try to pick their brain about
like how I can improve like everything
all at once like my nutrition my
workouts everything so it was just like
a mix of tick tock talking to people
that helped me kind of get to where I am
and within like maybe six seven weeks of
working out I think I really had it
dialed so I picked it up
very fast relatively you know train
trained with intensity from the
beginning
um would push myself I remember it was
when I started like you still have to
wear face masks at the gym I remember
I'd like sometimes I would have like oh
[ __ ] yeah so this was during Co yeah it
was 2020 when I started it was um May of
2020 in the midst of it yeah wait May of
2020 or 2021 might be 2021 I think it
was 2021 she still in the midst of it
yeah it was 2021 yes yeah
what was most difficult or what what
advice would you give to girls that are
unhappy with their body or guys that are
unhappy with their bodies like you know
there's a lot of challenges and
overcoming there's a lot of even if you
did get some advice from Tik Tok yeah
most of it is horseshit regardless of
who you are I think you need to
implement some type of physical activity
for an hour and a half a day you know 45
minutes to an hour and a half depending
on the level of intensity but whoever
you are however old you are even if that
means going outside and walking you know
um
for me it's like the gym is something
that I it's not a chore it's gotten to
the point that it's the two hours of the
day that I enjoy like I was telling you
earlier like I look forward to like
going to the
gym um regardless of your age you need
to work out do some kind of physical
activity train with intensity whatever
you train on your own yeah because
obviously in a lot of the content that
you put online there's it Brad guys will
be around or there's a videographer
right yes right um ief prer training on
my own there was a point when I first
started I would be like there's no way
in hell I'm going to the gym by myself
like this is Peak embarrassment I need
someone there which is totally fine like
do that go with a go with a friend or go
with a brother sister parent or whoever
um but I'm at the point now where I like
training alone you know
I it's like my alone time I don't know I
enjoy on my own that when I do film or
whatever it's like usually my rest day
and I'll go and I'll film at zoo a
YouTube video uh okay because if you
filmed on a training day you'd have to
sacrifice training to get the content
right yeah so I just go on you're not
training there's no pressure exactly
right what are you doing outside of that
outside of working
out um I sleep about 10 hours a night is
that strategic or do you just Strate uh
strategic muscle grows in your sleep
okay yeah but 10 hours is like it's
pretty intense
yeah but I don't know how many
22-year-old million plus influencers are
saying and I sleep 10 hours a night and
then train for two hours a day sleep
matters guys sleep matters okay okay 8
to 10 it's not always 10 but it's
usually it's never see when you join the
whoop team I'll know and you can't lie
to me anymore okay perfect no it's
always always at least eight never never
less okay um
I do still go to school I only have
eight weeks
left so I do that in my free time I I'm
not going to lie to you I am on my phone
probably 8 to 10 hours a day what are
you
doing I'm mindlessly scrolling and I try
to trick myself thinking like I respond
to emails I respond to emails like use
it for work too yeah it's work too but I
also convince myself that if I keep
scrolling something will inspire me have
you got your screen time let me see do
you track screen time on that you know
in the set settings yeah I want to
see God I'm this is going to be
embarrassing I want to see the app
breakdown of what's Happening
here it's actually down from last week
so let's not be too judgmental daily
average is 7 hours and 6 minutes you
peaked
with Sunday's a big day Sunday's
Sunday's nearly 12 hours uh see all
activity Okay so messages 13 hours
Instagram 10 hours Snapchat 8 hours Tik
Tok 4 hours Safari mail
YouTube messages are you doing M know
what I'm doing on messages group
chats no I mean maybe talking to [ __ ]
shitty business people not all shitty
but some shitty yes many shitty business
people many shitty business people
that's what I I was so dumb to like when
I first started thinking like anyone had
my best interest at heart or like just
wanted to genuinely help why I don't
know I feel like a lot of people try to
scam not scam but finesse finesse yeah
such a good word um I wonder how much of
it is the way that you present as well
is like a relatively friendly girly girl
and someone sees this opportunity to try
and outwit a yeah 21 22 year old who
probably doesn't have really any idea
what's going on and I wonder whether the
equivalent thing would happen with a
dude it doesn't I feel like in social
media fitness space I feel like from
what I've heard and everything maybe men
get you know respected a little bit more
I think they probably get it's harder to
break through and get paid because the
way that you can
monetize good-looking girls especially
in the fitness space can monetize guys
and girls good-looking guys really only
monetize
guys yes but then I feel like you're
right in the monetization aspect but
also in the brand part partnership
aspect I think guys are treated a little
bit better in terms of packages in terms
of money yeah yeah that's interesting I
think just more respected even
personally I haven't had an experience
with the brands I work with but I'm
saying I've heard my friends like you
know due to their engagement or whatever
she like she should be getting paid more
and then I know a guy is below her on
engagement following everything and he's
getting paid more more than she is and
I'm like well this is just she's getting
finessed yeah it's an interesting one I
mean I read this stat the other day that
said by 2030 women are going to control
50% of global Capital so women are
already 80% of consumer purchases yeah I
think that's skewed a lot because if
mothers are having to do the shop yeah
of course you know every mother is going
to be the one in charge of shopping for
baby stuff and then plus they're going
to get the groceries inside it does kind
of skew that number um
but increasingly I think women are going
to have the spending power which means
that the way that marketing st's going
to have to it's going to have to be
adapted it's definitely going to have to
be adapted and I think we're already
seeing it I think you know Brands like
Bud Light millerite you know have tried
to do something that seems more Pro
female but remember what we were saying
before like we can call it the lizo
effect
of doing something that looks ostensibly
the window shopping is yeah we behind
the scenes I don't think anybody that bu
cared about Dylan M orer cared about the
fact that they used to do a a
mud wrestling ad right I think they saw
it as I mean the Dilma of anything oh
[ __ ] it I'll say
it a lot of people had a problem with
the Dilma of anything because it was
budlight finally showing the like woke
cooked blue pill bonafides that they'd
been hiding from everybody all along but
the group of people who largely was
saying that are also a group of people
that will say things like don't cancel
Jordan Peterson because of one bad thing
that he said yeah so don't judge some of
my favorite content creators based on
one outof context small sample but then
they're flipping it and judging that's
been around for decades and does this
one thing and maybe maybe they're right
and I'm open to them being right yeah
that budlight secretly did hate
all every every straight person on the
planet they hated them for decades and
they were just waiting for the
opportunity
or a small gifting to a poorly chosen
influencer who's not super popular
amongst a very very large cohort of the
country was given some hands with their
face on them and I think
that like the much less conspiratorial
version of that seems to be the one that
to me is most likely and if you want to
have the grace of you know don't cancel
people for just one thing that they said
I do think that you should consider
extending that to and now it's there's a
lot it's easy to dunk on it right and
this is an unpopular thing to say
because it's way easier to say Bud Light
went woke and now they're going to go
broke and yeah now they're doing um it's
like almost trendier to like hop on and
hate rather than like wait maybe maybe
like it was a onetime thing let's not
cancel a whole brand even though we've
been drinking the product for decades
you know because Kid Rock shot them with
an AR-15 like we don't need to and don't
get me wrong like I think it was a
shitty move I'm not a fan of Dyan mvan I
don't think that that person is
a good actor uh but I also think if you
want people to extend like a
cancellation refund request to some of
your favorite influencers and some of
the cultural commentators online that
you should probably consider doing it
for Brands as well yeah for sure it's
like a a reasonable position to be in
have you been near any cancellation
stuff you can't get can you just lift
things I don't think I think the closest
maybe was the whole like oh I'm not
going to learn how to cook or clean
canceled because she can't make a
spaghetti me meatball I can cook I'm
just saying I can't like cook anything
crazy I can make spaghetti and meatballs
you know I can't cook as good as my mom
you're selling yourself as a as a wifey
now yeah I'm learning I'm trying to Brad
told me I need to hire My Equity or like
my stock hire my stock learn how to cook
and clean so then right Brad's coaching
you on how to become a high value woman
right good spaghetti meatballs great at
laundry yeah can sweep the floor blah
blah blah I'm learning I yeah that's
that's pretty high value my issue isn't
that I can't do it it's that like right
now I don't necessarily always have
the drive to do it to sweep the floor
and do the laundry and cook but I'm open
I've been learning to cook and I can
look at you trying to salvage your I'm
trying to salvage eligibility to the
entire internet I'm like please come and
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checkout what are you hoping to be able
to do next like what would be you've got
this degree that you're about to finish
you can do lots of different
things it seems to me like you're not
you don't want to just
start an only fans or start taking like
booty pictures and and go down that line
no I'd rather just be canceled before I
did any of that or like you know deleted
off everything rather than do that is
there ever a temptation to overly
sexualize yourself no but I can totally
for me there's not genuinely there's not
but I can see the appeal of why there is
for women your likes have gone to like
your likes have plummeted whatever
Shadow band whatever you want to call it
so you're like okay whatever I'll put on
a swimsuit turn around and take a
picture by the pool you know I could see
the bang the algorithms back up bro like
we have the likes are back to normal but
like I genuinely think for
women the second you start posting
pictures of you know your ass mostly you
know or like a Hu huge cleavage PCT
whatever it is on Instagram pictures of
you in a you know nice covering dress
will never perform as well as they did
when you're posting your ass or tits so
I did a podcast probably about three
probably about three years ago with a
female adult actress in the UK and I was
asking her about the typical career
progression of girls that go into this
industry and she'd been in it for like a
decade she's like a old she won awards
don't awards for that apparently I don't
know what I don't know I didn't see I
didn't watch either the awards or the
content that was submitted I think it
was like a Sundance Film Festival it
must have been anyway so I was asking
her and she basically said that there's
a hierarchy of um intensity to different
kinds of porn scenes so I think it was
like solo girl on girl guy on girl like
all the way down to like anal DP like it
it descends deep uh uh F not intended
and I kind of feel like there's an
equivalent uh stack intend density thing
to the kind of content and I don't think
that guys can do the same thing it's
like it's a topless photo for a guy
sometimes you look better like actually
you look better with a shirt on and you
could be in good condition but you could
look cooler with a shirt on it does feel
to me a little bit
like you know as much as we've got
this women are at
35% of CEOs new CEOs in in companies
January of 2023 were women so the
highest percentage ever uh women are out
earning men between the ages of 21 and
29 women are out educating men two women
for every one man completing a 4 us
college degree by 2030 even though we
have all of that there's like still a
big undercurrent of sexualization for
women and this isn't I'm not saying like
this is the patriarchy [ __ ] plowing
it on them very often women choose to
sexualize themselves or each other yes
yeah because it's them largely competing
with other women now it may be for the
eyes of men but if you are hoping for
men to not click on a photo that's got
boobs or a bum in it I think you're
fighting against like the thermodynamics
of like Sexes no 100% and a thousand
times I've heard girls that and I have
no hate on girls that want to do an only
fans or have an only fans it's not like
oh you have an only fans I'm not your
friend it's not that's not what I'm
saying I'm saying it's not for me and
there's ways I feel about it but that
doesn't mean that I'm going to dislike
you or I'm going to hate you or judge
you for having one women say that having
an oof or whatever is empowering and I
think for me it's just hard to grasp how
that can be empowering when you're
chatting with men all day or having your
management chat with men all day
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her yeah yeah I I don't know I I really
think it'll be interesting to reflect on
this period
of monetization for especially
women in 10 years 20 years time and
realize that it was either a brief flash
in the pan or the beginning of a tsunami
of people sexualizing themselves for the
price of a cheeseburger per month I hope
it's I hope it's not anything that has
longevity to it but I could understand
how it's appealing for a girl that just
has just turned 18 okay fully not
developed in her brain thinks oh my God
I can make five figures a month you know
I have you know I have 20 30k on
Instagram I can make five figures a
month I don't have to go to college I
don't have to be in loan for years um I
don't have to go find an actual job I
can post bikini pics Y and make
equivalent to a teacher or a doctor that
I could understand how that's appealing
you know what's interesting as well I
think I've heard you talk about this
before that it kind of doesn't really
matter what you post on only fans either
cuz they've tried to do like like comedy
on there I think Whitney Cummings did a
roast uh bur Kish has done some only
funds exclusive content uh there's a
number of girls that I know
who justify or um their MO is I post
this stuff for free on Instagram anyway
oh yeah therefore if I just post more a
higher frequency of the same level of
nudity on only fans that's basically I
my morals from Instagram it's already
been there yeah there is nothing
different but the problem it's a
branding problem I think they say that
to like you know help themselves feel
like better about it maybe because it's
the for well for me I can only speak
from my end but it's the idea of a
paywall platform you know getting
people's money to show whatever it is
that like for me just wouldn't click I
wouldn't even if I was posting only gym
content in leggings and a t-shirt yeah
just the idea
of it's an interesting one chat with
someone you know there's been other it's
the intimacy as well I think that's a
part of it yeah but so you know how
vaping is like every every person is
taking nicotine in some form or another
I was having a conversation the other
day about how vaping has probably or the
The Retreat of cigarettes and the
ascendancy of vaping has probably been a
net negative for health because vaping
is way more enjoyable than smoking ever
was yeah it tastes better it's cool
there's no smell no one could know
exactly all of this and it doesn't
smoking that wasn't so good I think if
you go into the if you start to educate
yourself about health and fitness lots
of people are pushing back against
vaping too but I don't think that's
really broken into the mainstream just
yet so a lot of people do it I wonder
whether kind of like how vaping is the
thin end of the wedge for
nicotine uh only fans has become a thin
end of the wedge for porn and for
self-objectification yeah
I don't know I I agree with you that I I
struggle to see
how I don't know it's a tight line about
the
the I'm liberating myself and this is
this is empowering because you are
taking men's
money but is the price of your
nudity like a Double Whopper from
McDonald's and then if it's Black Friday
it's like six chicken nuggets yeah I
don't know I don't know and I it's
something that I like I have concerns
about and I haven't really worked out my
opinion on yet about like what this
means long term yeah I think that's
really going to be I think longterm I
just think if you
start again I'm not I it sounds like I'm
just [ __ ] on any woman with an only
fans which I'm not yep I'm just saying
it from the perspective of a girl who's
out there thinking about it I would
recommend to not start one that's the
only thing I'm that's the only way I'm
coming at this I'm not [ __ ] on
anyone that has one I wonder so what
another thing I wonder what it does is
I'd seen throughout my 20s girls that
were strippers they really struggled to
see their relationship with men as
anything other than transactional
because 150 times a night they needed to
extract resources from this guy yeah who
was down from Edinburgh or had flown in
from Dublin or something for a stag
weekend with the boys maybe he was
married maybe he was in a relationship
maybe he was whatever and they saw this
relationship with men as
adversarial as transactional as
shortlived and I saw a a struggle in
their personal lives to rip themselves
out of that and then if you think okay
and that's not even uh protracted or
that intimate if you don't have the
Vietnamese manager that's messaging all
of the people that you're with and it's
actually you that's doing the uh simp
admin probably [ __ ] with you mentally
so much how are you able to determine
the line between genuine
emotional connection and like
performative emotional connection do you
know what I mean yeah for
sure yeah I think not just your
relationship with men but like longevity
you know um especially because it's
something like you know it's not the
same as like maybe a dancer or whatever
this is all online like I feel like it's
something you could never live down and
if you're already an
influencer what they're going to what
people are going to address you as like
oh the only fans girl you know it's it's
a stigma that comes AC comes with it a
title what's happening with fley is fley
just only fans fley have you heard of
that I haven't okay so this is like the
twitch streamer equivalent I think I
wonder if it it can't there's no way
that twitch would give it partner access
or integration or whatever but fley is
something else and I'm seeing a
different cohort of people it's mostly
twitch streamers that are doing that um
and I feel like it's the same it's like
private messages and and blah blah blah
but yeah I don't know have you have you
seen the new thing like AI the AI bot
like you pay per minute to talk to
someone and they use your voice from
your videos or your online personality
to chat with someone yeah that's the
same thing like yeah I wonder
whether if I was the guy that made only
fans is British right is from Essex if I
was him when chat GPT came out and the
AI uh image Creator thing I would have
spent as much money as I could I would
have dumped a [ __ ] ton of cash into no
longer being an agency and instead
becoming a tech product because if you
could vertically integrate yourself back
up and not only be the service that
people go through but be the creators
themselves by making the girls and by
creating the chat Bots and by own owning
the algorithms and by owning the servers
you cut out I don't know what the
percentage is did it take 10% or 5%
whatever they take only fans yeah they
think a lot more than that I think what
do they take is it 15 or
20 Joe come on how don't you know you're
you're Joe you're always an only fans
that's all that you spend your time
you're always talking about take your
money out of only fans and put it into
like one of the the S&P you want to put
it in the S&P I don't know I'm not very
educated with stocks I wish I was more
educated but whatever Tesla right put in
Tesla cool Elon musky getting my money
what's next for you what you doing next
after uni like what are you thinking
what what's in the next six months to a
year what can people expect six months
to a year people can expect
that maybe I'll post two YouTube videos
a week instead of one no I'm just going
to consistently keep doing the routine
and like posting schedule that I have
been and then I've kind of always been
the type that you know I go go with the
flow in that aspect and kind of hope
that luck plays out and I maybe meet
someone that we can be mutually
beneficial with that's most of the
reason I even decided to go MBA route
was that maybe one of the companies that
I'm working with now or that I encounter
in the future you know down the line
they'll want me on the back end rather
influencer and board member yes maybe
and I could do the back end and the
Forefront you
know that's cool no plans to release a
training plan a diet plan an ebook a
portal PL think like whatever works for
me isn't going to work for someone else
I think I am blessed with really good
genetics because I don't track macros I
don't um you know count calories or
whatever I just you know I it took me a
while but I intuitively eat I don't
drink alcohol I don't drink any of my
calories um
but it seems like you're doing pretty
well without that at the moment yeah I
don't think I don't want to right now
it's something that's fun for me I think
the second I start counting and tracking
it'll become toxic and I'll you got to
be careful we had this conversation a
lot over the last week if you really
really enjoy doing something you have to
protect your passion and if you don't
doing the work at the rate that you're
doing at the moment is just going to get
progressively harder yeah over time and
it's that's fine but it will change the
pursuit from being something that's [ __ ]
like yeah today's uh rest day and
filming day and I'm fired up to do some
skits to oh my God today's rest day and
I still have to work and that framing is
an awful lot and it's okay do you want
to turn this into a labor or do you want
to keep loving it and it's not that you
can't do both but the more that you work
and the more that you monetize the more
hard it's going to become I think yeah
yeah for sure [ __ ] yeahi wait what's
next for you so I've done who are you
trying to have on this podcast a few
that you have your eye on a few that
I've got my eye on so uh have you seen
the School of Life YouTube channel so
it's a big uh big YouTube channel that
did psychology and philosophy it's got
about five six M Subs it's really big
it's great um and it's run by this dude
called alander Boton uh it's not run by
him he's like the creator of it now he's
got this huge huge huge team and uh he
was real formative for me so if I had a
a Mount Rushmore of podcast influences
on my Awakening yeah Jordan Peterson Sam
Harris Joe Rogan and Alan uh Jordan has
been on twice and he coming back on Sam
has been on a couple of weeks ago I've
been on rogans but I've got this elusive
fourth guy down here and I really really
want to bring him on and he's got a new
book coming out so I'm working super
super hard to try and get him he's in
the UK but that's fine cuz I can fly
back to the UK so we got that we've got
a week in the UK with some massive
massive UK uh guests that I can't wait
to film with then I'm coming back I've
already said to people that Jordan
Peterson will be coming back on at some
point this year so that's going to be
very interesting got lots to talk about
couple of returning guests a couple of
new ones but this weekend's been great
you know I did this Alex hosi yesterday
Phil Heath and Rich R this morning Stan
eing you today tomorrow Eric Weinstein
who is like this Super Genius MD at teal
Capital very interesting dude uh so it's
good like things are happening and and
it really does feel like we've got the
world at our feet at the moment and kind
of holding on for dear life a little bit
no that's amazing you're going to you're
going to kill it thank you for having me
on I'm honored after all those people
you named I'm honored that you had s far
no I'm honored that you had me on so
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