The Minnesota Fraud Scandal | An Unfiltered Conversation with Nick Shirley

Fraud is everywhere in the United States. >> The national spotlight continues to be right here in Minnesota as federal authorities investigate allegations now of [music] widespread fraud today. It was several daycare centers. Now, this all comes in the wake of a viral video on daycare centers in Minnesota. >> We'd like to ask where the money's going. I mean, I literally uncovered and showed people potentially the largest fraud scandal in US history. >> $110 million in fraud at Minnesota daycare centers. >> Why [music] do you think this went so viral? Because we always talk about fraud. You always hear about issues here in the United States. And so it's the first time where Americans could really see that fraud is taking place openly and people are [music] receiving millions of dollars and they're actually not doing anything. >> We have a governor who doesn't care. >> What's been the downside to [music] this much virality? They're trying to give people reasons to take me out because of what I've exposed. >> Police have now appeared on scene. >> When you were making that video, [music] did you uncover other fraud in the process? [music] This is just the beginning. Nick Shirley, thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour podcast. I can only imagine how busy you've been over the past 72 hours. It's been blowing up. >> It's been the most crazy and hectic 72 hours of my entire life. >> I got to know, how many times did Elon Musk tweet about you yesterday? >> Just yesterday alone referring to my video was 40. >> 40 times that had anything to do with the Minnesota fraud scandal? >> Has he reached out to you? We DM'd actually like I sent him a DM. I was like because I noticed he followed me back and I uh he had been keep retweeting my stuff. I was like when's he going to follow me? And then he followed me then I saw that he followed me. I could see that I could then send a message and so I just said thanks for the support means a lot. He's like yes thanks for the work you're doing. >> Wow. >> Is that all you guys have said? >> Yeah that's it. So if you could just briefly explain what you've been going through in the past 72 hours and what is this news that's been erupting everywhere? Yeah. Now, over the past 72 hours, I uncover what could potentially be the largest fraud scandal in the US history that's been openly discovered on a broad level and a national level to where there's actually proof where people could see with their eyes that fraud was taking place. And so, since I've launched my video in the past 72 hours, it's the most viewed video ever by somebody who's not named Mr. Beast. That's a a long format video that's pure organic reach. No ads, nothing like that. just pure organic reach over 130 million views on just the video alone on X. And then if you count all the other impressions, it did over 500 million views within 72 hours. When you were filming this, did you expect it to go so viral? No. I knew I had I knew it was a great video, but because I've been making videos for so long that I just thought it just to be the the weekly upload, but no, this has completely changed. >> Why do you think this went so viral to that degree? Yeah, there's a mix of why it went so viral is because we always talk about fraud. You always hear about issues here in the United States. Oh, fraud. We're sending money there. We're sending money there. Why are we sending money to this country? Why are we sending money to these organizations? How come these politicians are getting rich and how are they doing it? But what I did for the first time ever, is I actually went to a location, multiple locations, had the numbers, had the exact amount of dollars they were receiving, and I went and just asked them, "Hey, can I enroll a child, my son little Joey, into daycare? Can I go? Can I talk to somebody? Can I get a brochure? Where are the children at? We don't hear them anywhere. There's no footprints in the snow. And so, it's the first time where Americans could really see that fraud is taking place openly, and people are receiving millions of dollars for running these daycarees, home healthcare companies, and they're actually not doing anything. Now, a lot of this seems to be the work of David, who spent a lot of time going through this. Who is David and how did you get connected to him? >> Yeah, so David, he's a man in Minnesota. He's been a lifelong advocate to stop crime and political corruption and to stop fraud inside of Minnesota because Minnesota they have a long history of fraud. This isn't just new that they've been doing these daycarees. But I knew about the fraud taking place back in June. I went to Minnesota to do a video about the demographic change, the rise of Islam, how mosques are now replacing Christian churches is how entire cities and communities are being taken over by the Somali population and people are getting pushed out of these of these locations. And when I was there, people started telling me about the fraud. They're like, "You need to go check the daycarees. You need to go talk to the home healthcare, the assisted living. Like, why are there all these transportation vehicles running around with nobody in them?" And I said, "Well, I can't make the video now because I before I do, I want to make sure it's you just can't accuse people of millions of dollars of fraud without evidence." And so I continued to work on it and try my best to get the resources and the numbers, but it was super hard. And then David just DM'd me out of the many DMs I get, I just for some reason happened to open up David's and he actually provided value inside of the the comment. He said, "I have all the numbers." So, I gave David a call and he's like, "I have everything. I've been getting information from inside of the capital." And he had all the numbers. And I was like, "Well, are you sure like this is fraud?" He's like, "This has been happening for so long. I've never seen a child at any of the daycarees. I drive by every year for the past 7 years going to work and I've never seen a single child." Now, what's David's background? Cuz I was really curious about him of how he was able to compile so much information. It's just like a hobby of his. He's been fighting fraud for years. Even like when he was my age, he was just interested in the well-being of his communities. And so David, he's he's just seen the fraud and he's seen the Somali population just expand. He's seen what Tim Waltz has done as far as pretty much destroying the state. For instance, Minnesota was in a $16 billion surplus um in the last benium and now they're in a 4 or6 billion deficit. So, was this already a really well-known local issue? So, like people just knew about it in the town or was this something that like a few people knew about who are really attuned to like, you know, governments and stuff like that? People knew about it inside of Minnesota cuz the fraud's not new. Like there's videos back from like 2015 where the FBI went into these daycarees or in 2017 they're talking about the fraud, but nobody could really get it to a national level because one, back in those days, uh, censorship is pretty heavy. you didn't have the power of X. You didn't have the power of just being able to post freely onto the internet. And then it was just kind of a local issue. When the local news is doing their videos, they don't really know how to portray something to a way where it reaches national level. and they just have to go through all these different editorial processes versus a YouTuber like me who can edit, film, and then upload versus going from filming the the editing room, okay, final editing process, then we post it on our news website, and then we'll post it onto our YouTube and then never actually gets reaches the masses and it's usually an older person who people can't relate with. So when you say they are committing fraud, they are creating these daycare centers, they're embezzling millions, defrauding millions of dollars, who are they? The government in Minnesota, the people at at the capital, cuz they're the ones writing the checks, they know that that fraud is taking place because they have all the violations. They have all the many times where a lot of these daycarees are ran by the same person. And then 89% of the population that is committing the fraud is Somalian. In terms of fraud, could you walk us through the flow of money step by step in terms of who applies, who pays the money, who is behind that payment, who audits this, and who investigates it. So, with the fraud, all the checks are being written from the capital. They're all being written from the people inside of the capital of Minnesota. And the way they get this money, some of it's federal money, federal money, and it's also state money. And inside of departments like the home and health services, the HHS, they give funding for things like child care. And so what happens is Tim Waltz, for instance, he's openly bragged about expanding daycare inside of Minnesota. He said like we're going to give them raises back in 2023. And then even in the debate with JD Vance, he was talking about how uh how great it was of their childare system inside Minnesota. The Minnesota government is so incompetent that multiple people will have violations or they'll have history of doing crime, but they'll still let them open up a daycare and then they'll receive this federal money. And so there's a entire whistleblowers who have created all these charts and everything about this one man having this one home healthcare business. He also has a daycare. He has six violations and he's still getting millions of dollars. But I believe it's all because the people are afraid to be called an Islamophobic, Islamophobic or racist. >> So basically the state sets up a fund and some of that's from state money. Some of it's from federal government money. >> Mhm. >> The fund says we're going to give money to people who open up daycarees >> on welfare purposes. on welfare purposes that enables anybody to apply for this, get federal funding with basically saying, "Hey, we have x amount of students here, x amount of kids are coming in." They give that in and then what's the audit process like to make sure that's legitimate. Yeah, that's the problem. And that's why the fraud's been able to go on for so long. Nobody really knows exactly how that audit process has been working because they've been enabling fraud for so long. Tim Waltz has openly said that we've been we've been fighting fraud since 2019. Okay. Well, Graham, if you're running a business and you have millions and billions of dollars being funneled to places, how long do you think it would take for you to cut off the funding? >> Well, how fighting fraud for six years? Shouldn't the fight end? >> He's been he's been enabling the fraud to happen. And that's why what why what I did was such a compelling piece of content because it's showing that they're enabling this fraud to happen. and nobody's even checking up and these daycarees can't even give you a brochure to enroll a child. >> Do you think that there's anything going on between the government and the people that own these daycarees? Is there any money that's being funneled back into the government or are these Somalians just becoming rich? >> 100%. Because Elon Omar, congresswoman from Minnesota, well, she's from Somalia. She was then brought here to the United States. Her net worth went from negative to allegedly $30 million. So, when you went into this, did you expect this to be more so just government waste, or did you expect full-blown fraud? Uh, I expected a little bit of both. Like, I remember David saying like, "We're going to go to the daycarees." And so, in the first clip of the video, you'll see me go to the daycare center. I'm like, "All right, let's go in." And I go to open the door and it's locked, but their sign says, "Open 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m." right above me. And I'm like, "What's going on? All the windows are blacked out." but yet they received one millions of dollars this year. Now, what do you say to people who say, "Well, the door should be locked because we want to protect the students. We want to make sure that they're not like just going to open the door and run off and we want to pro protect people like observing inside the windows and that's why it's important to have privacy." Yeah, CNN asked me that same question. I said, "Okay, well, fair point. Then how come when I call that phone number, nobody answers? And how come when I ring the doorbell and ask for a brochure, they can't give me any paperwork to enroll a child?" So yeah, you maybe lock the door. Go ahead and do that. But you should be able to answer a simple question. How do I when I ask how do I enroll my son Joey into daycare? How do I do it? They can't even answer it. What was the most shameless thing that you saw in person? Just the fact that they couldn't give me any responses. They they're receiving millions of dollars and I can't even get a brochure to enroll an imaginary son, Joey, into daycare. Did they appear to have any guilt when you spoke to them or did they seem entitled and just everything was like twisted? Very much entitlement. They they treated me like I was like scum to them. They called the police on me. They kicked me out of their buildings and I was simply asking for rates and uh for brochures for to enroll a child in daycare and for healthcare. And they said I was doing some sort of propaganda piece. And and this isn't about the race. However, when 89% of that population is committing fraud, that's just a fact. It doesn't make you a racist for talking about fraud. Now, what about the counter arguments I saw that people would be more closed off talking to you when you show up with a camera or you pull up in like some SUV and they don't know who you are versus just like some lady just walking up knocking on the door. My good a good counter claim would do that be, well, just answer the question so there's no confusion. I'm not coming across hostile. I'm just asking you the simple question. And in a lot of cases, for instance, the one lady who I uh interviewed who I well, I tried to ask for a brochure. Everyone else was in the car. I went up by myself. David was far away. She had all the opportunities in the world to just simply answer some questions. Have you heard any counterarguments to your video that gave you any pause or that maybe you thought, "Hey, that's actually a good point." >> No. You haven't had anybody reach out to you saying that I've actually, you know, had a kid at this child care? >> No. I would imagine >> the mainstream media has tried to come after me so much to the point where they're defending fraud. Now, one of the daycarees I went to, they want to open the door and then a few days later, uh, since I released my video, CVS then went to the daycare. And I don't doubt that there are some children inside these daycarees because we'd be super stupid to be running these and not at least have a few kids in there. So, this one daycare was licensed for 40 children. CVS goes there. Um, the guy can barely speak English and they do this hit piece on me and they're like, "We're an operating daycare. We have four children here." Okay. Well, they're licensed for 40 and you're receiving millions of dollars. Those each one of those children aren't worth $250,000 a year for government funding. So, how much were these centers making and how much were people taking home from that? Well, the largest one was $3.45 45 million and then the on the low it'd be around uh $1.2 million. So, one thing I'm really curious about the landlords of these buildings, do they know what's going on? Do you think they're in on it? Are they charging market rates for these places? Who owns the buildings that these people are leasing? Yeah, I haven't really looked into that, but I'm sure they're just happy to be comm I'm sure they're happy to be receiving a check every single month. Yeah, cuz I got to say, so when I looked into a lot of Los Angeles in California, it seems as though people will open up these like homeless centers, uh, but they'll pay these absurd amounts in rent and the landlords allegedly go in with a mindset of like, hey, we're going to charge either a lot of money or we know these people and we could kick back some money to the owner of this building. That could be something to look into that I was curious about. Yeah, I think if you're a landlord, you're probably just happy to have somebody inside your building and you know they're getting money from the government, so you know they're going to pay every single month. So, if I was a landlord, I'd probably rent to them, too. Just smart business. One thing I'm really curious about, you mentioned Ilhan Omar is now worth $30 million, and when she went into office, she was actually in debt with a negative net worth. Can you just go in and see where her money is coming from? No, I don't think we can. But I think they they have to they have to make it public like I think they have to make it public what their net worth is. congressman and congresswoman. >> They have to provide assets. >> The IRS would probably be the only one that would know where the money is coming from. >> Mhm. Cuz I think they only receive $175,000 a year with their salary from Congress. It seems like at least for the population, not necessarily for the Congress people, it would be bipartisan to mandate if you're in office, you show your net worth when you join office and then you show all of your tax returns or where your money is coming from while you serve. >> Mhm. >> I feel like that would be every normal person that isn't in government would agree on that, but obviously any senator or congress person like left or right would probably not vote for that. >> Yeah. Yeah, I think it's hard because it's like how do you how do you say like oh they can trade stocks but we can't for instance but when they're inside Congress? So it's like maybe if that's something that the government should look into like okay if you're going to become a congressman or congresswoman for these four years or for however long you're in here you're our main focus is just to serve the American people and not to be having interest that outside interest to boost your net worth because we can't just say like hey no you can't invest or you're only going to have a 401k because if you see an opportunity you should be able to invest as well but to have exponential returns like Nancy Pelosi or Elon Omar That's just very suspicious >> or at least transparency like where is Elhan Omar's money coming from like if we were able to just see that she was collecting massive wire transfers from Learing you know center then we'd be able to prove something. Yeah, I think it would give a lot more people more transparency and then also a lot more trust. Why was Doge not able to do this? What I just did was kind of more of a decentralized Doge effort, in a way where I went about it and did it in a way where people could just go ahead and see it. And I think Doge because they're with the government, I bet they'd have a harder time to kind of go out and produce something like this. And I think that's why your CEO on Musk giving me so much support right now because what I'm doing was kind of like the effort of Doge but to a decentralized way where people can see it cuz Doge they have all the contracts and they went and uh they did cut a lot of the funding and they did get down to a lot of what was happening but they saw so much push back from the public and from the left that they weren't able to go about and make all the changes that they wish they could. Now, let's be honest. 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All their payments are frozen right now in Minnesota. So, if Minnesota actually cared about stopping the fraud, like Tim Waltz has been saying for 6 years, what I would have done is I would have done surprise visits and I would have not notified them when I'm coming, but more so done a surprise visit and say, "Hey, we're government officials. We just want to see how your business is operating." Okay, if you're licensed for 40 children and you have 35 kids here, perfect. But if you're liced for 40 children and you have four kids here and we're giving you a million dollars, we should probably look into this and figure out why this is happening. It seems like it would be very easy to solve on a high level without even doing that by just looking how many centers are operating, how many children do they say are within those schools and how many children exist in the area. And if you see, hey, there's 3,000 children in this area, but their capacity is 40,000 that we're paying for, then maybe that's a red flag. Yeah, it's a total red flag for a lot of these businesses. And if you drive around Minneapolis, you'll notice if you start paying attention, you'll notice, wait, why is that industrialized building have a a child care clinic or why is there an adult daycare right here? And why is there Somali daycare right here? like legit like why is there African refugee um immigration processes or why is there Eratrayan services like all this weird stuff what's the need for all that like me and you us three we all operate a business whether it be a YouTube channel or selling coffee selling t-shirts we have to work in profit these guys don't have to even conceptualize the idea of turning a profit because they're receiving all this money and so it's not fair to the hardworking American who is trying to provide for their family go to work and then pay normal daycare rates. So, is this just Minnesota or is it like I we're driving around in Vegas and I see a daycare. Is it like is there a chance, hey, it's everywhere throughout the United States? Fraud is everywhere in the United States and now you're seeing all these other people go to these daycarees because a lot of them receive money on welfare purposes. And so, and all that information is public. And so, you can go ahead and find that information and if you're suspicious of a local daycare in your area, you could go get the information or you could just simply go and ask like, "Hey, how's the is this guy enrolled a child in the daycare here?" and see it for yourself. But I don't want everyone to start going to daycarees and saying, "Where are the children?" >> Yeah, >> I think that would be bad. >> I started seeing a lot of copycats now going and doing this. And so what's hard about that is I actually did my due diligence when I went and made my video. You don't want to see just a bunch of people hopping up to daycarees and saying, "Where are the children?" But people also have the right to just simply ask the question, you have houses in Washington state that are legit houses that are licensed for adult daycarees or for childcarees inside of neighborhoods that you wouldn't even know. >> See, what I worry about when it comes to copycats is that you have most people who go in with good intentions who say, "Hey, I see this. This this upsets me. I want to help." Uh, and then you get people who just take it too far and that's all it takes is you get one person who just starts like absolutely harassing somebody. Uh, maybe it's legitimate daycare takes it too far and it kind of ruins it for everybody. Yeah. I mean, people can do what they want. My job is to do my job. And so, like, the way I care about the way I carry about myself is in a way that I can feel good about sleeping at night. Um, if somebody wants to go harass a daycare, we can't stop them from doing it. And it's bad on them for doing it. They should do their due diligence and uh figure out if it's a fraudulent daycare or not before they show up. >> So, we have a few videos that I found online that basically claim that everything you were saying was fraudulent. So, I want to get your response to these viral videos. >> Yes, I'm ready. >> So, most of our clients, not most of our clients, all of our clients is after school hours. So schools earliest dismissal would be 2:15 to 2:30ish and the latest dismissal would be up to like 4:30ish, 4:40ish. So that's when our kids come to us. We don't have anyone in the morning. >> So that man while he's outside saying that the commissioner of children at the same time is on a live stream saying that they closed that daycare a week ago. He's lying. The commissioner of children was literally on a live stream at that same moment saying they tr they closed that child care center a week ago. I filmed my video December 16th. And so after I had filmed my video, they then had shut down that daycare. And while he's talking about that, the lady's literally on a live stream saying they closed down the daycare. They're busing in children. And then that same guy is in video partying with the mayor when the mayor got elected. >> Okay. So I saw that video as well and I was actually going to get your reaction to that. So, you're saying that this specific individual is somehow related to the the mayor? >> Yes. >> And they So, what's that relation? What's that relationship look like? >> Yeah. He's in the background of the mayor winning his election and they're all dancing and that guy's allegedly the manager and his parents are the owners. >> So, did you go to the Quality Learing Center during hours where kids should be present? >> So, I went there on December 16th. Their operation hours said um from 12 to 10 p.m. However, that's actually illegal to be operating a daycare at that time from 12:00 p.m. to 1000 p.m. And there's are actually are restrictions and how at the certain hours where they do need to be operating. But the purpose was not to just barge into a daycare. The purpose was to show $1.9 million is going there. It's licensed for 99 children and there's one door. The door is all blacked out. The sign spelled wrong. You can't you can't even call the phone number and have anyone respond. There's not a reception for you to be received at. It's a fraudulent daycare. >> So, what about this video then? >> This is ABC Learning Center in Minneapolis. >> They have to learn ABC and numbers. >> Director Ahmed Hassan gave WCCCO a tour after finding his daycare in the national spotlight. >> All right, we've arrived to ABC Learning Center. In a now viral video, right-wing YouTuber Nick Shirley claims nearly a dozen daycare centers in Minnesota are taking public funds but not providing a service. He says ABC Learning Center is one of them, knocking on the door in mid December. >> I would like to check a child in a daycare. >> Hassan says his employee didn't respond because Shirley was in a group of about eight people and his staff were concerned about recent ICE activity. >> Is this daycare committing fraud? >> No, no, no, we're not committing fraud. Hassan showed us security footage from the same day Shirley was here. According to the timestamps in the videos, this woman takes a young child into the center at around 9:00 a.m. that day. About 3 hours before Shirley arrives at the door closer to the street. Within the hour after Shirley leaves, a woman arrives at the other door with a stroller. A larger family heads inside a few hours later. Tuesday afternoon, WCCCO found at least a dozen children at ABC Learning Center, which is licensed with the state. Records show Minnesota officials last visited the daycare in November, noting some corrected and ongoing violations related to day-to-day operations, but no record of fraud. >> So, you're seeing the attack on me by them calling me a right-wing rightwing YouTuber, MAGA YouTuber, conservative. Um, the mainstream media is extremely scared because I got more views than them on one video than they get all year. So, um, their claim that they are a legit business, well, obviously they're not going to admit that they're a fraudulent business to the local news. they're receiving millions of dollars. What's the purpose of receiving all these these dollars if you have even if it's 12 children compared to the 40 that they're supposed to have? And why are all their windows blocked out? Why can't why are they so scared to show people what they're doing behind doors? So, yeah, maybe actually they're not they're fraudulent business. So, what's the purpose of having a daycare where you can't even show the public? Did you get any valid criticisms though from your video? anything that you thought like, okay, this might actually make sense. >> No. Do you think like what could they like? What do you guys think? Give me your opinion. >> I think the the only argument that I could see a little bit is that you are showing up to daycarees probably in a group of people with cameras, lighting equipment, stuff that generally causes a disturbance. And so if you're trying to enter, they obviously might be more apprehensive to let you in and fill out a document and, you know, be in a room maybe with kids. >> Well, if they're operating legally, why would they have any worries? >> I wouldn't open up if I were a business. In fairness, if you come in with cameras and I feel like there's no there's no benefit for me to do this, if you're showing up trying to record, uh, you don't know the manner of which the content's going to be used. It's inside a private business. I get that. I think if you were to show up as like some modest looking lady with a child with one of those like, you know, secret reporters on a glasses, I think that would go over differently. So, I showed up with meta glasses and a GoPro. >> I didn't have lighting equipment. I didn't have a big massive camera. A lot of times I just I even had my GoPro just inside my pocket and I was just using the meta glasses and uh the security because of how hostile and I had been priorly jumped in uh June by Somalians uh it was necessary to have security in the car. Do you do you think there's there's something higher up in ter like running these? Because I'll give you an example when I went to Paris you see by the Eiffel Tower like everyone's selling little like trinkets and stuff like this. >> Yeah. They've ruined the Eiffel Tower. the the police come and they all like pick them up really quickly and they run off. And then as I was walking around, I see some guys on like walkietalkies and stuff like this. If the police comes, they they, you know, whisper something and everyone kind of bolts. And I was looking into this thinking like, okay, how much money are they actually making doing this sort of business? Like, why sell this? I didn't realize, this is also just again what I'm just reading online, is that supposedly a lot of the people are trafficked in and they're basically slaves to sell these trinkets and if they don't do that, they're threatened or they're uh you know, they could be beaten up or certain things like this. So, they're they're kind of forced to do these things. Do you think that could be a possibility that this is a much bigger operation than just individuals doing this that maybe there's like a higher power or somebody controlling all of these and the money just funnels up to one person? It's a massive operation. That's why it's been able to happen for so long. And that's why you see Minnesota panhandling to the Somalian population who's a small percentage of the population of Minnesota to the point where they even said that the original Minnesota flag was bad and switched it to a flag that resembles the Somalian flag. And so within these communities when this is just the simple effects of mass migration, a lot of people do come in and for instance in Paris they're all working inside those networks at the Eiffel Tower. I've been there myself. They're all inside the WhatsApp group chats. They're all coordinating. They're all taking my photo and they're sending off to everybody. But in the case of what's happening in Minnesota is you have all these people living inside of the same communities. You have all these these men with four wives who are able to then use these women to go out and do their dirty work for them when they stay inside while they stay inside the office. How do you think they pass the inspections every 6 months? Yeah, a lot of them don't. For instance, quality learing center had multiple violations, upwards of 10 violations, but they're still able to give them the money. That's another that's why this is such a big problem. This is why they should stop all the funding to these daycarees cuz I don't doubt that there are some that are bringing in children. For instance, that ABC one. Good for them for having 12 children in on that day when the news came by and they let them know beforehand that they were coming. Good for them for doing that, right? in their another counter claim they came at me with was, "Well, you filmed it during winter break." No, I actually didn't. I filmed it on December 16th, so school and nobody people were uh not on break yet, and now you guys are bringing in kids during winter break. Like, their claims have been completely debunked just by common sense. >> Did any of them show you documentation showing that they were legitimate? >> No, that's the problem. They couldn't answer a single question. I gave them plenty of opportunities to say, "Where are the children? Where are the children at? >> How many did you visit? >> I think we've visited around seven or so. >> It would be interesting because you're working with this guy who does all of this research if he could find one that is operating as it should and then you can go there and see how different the experience is compared to these fraudulent ones. Yeah, it's been funny to see people on the internet. They're like, "All right, Nick, surely this is actually how daycare works. You see this? I'm going to click this button. I'm going to go in. I'm going to go talk to the receptionist and then I'm going to go grab my child." those those other businesses, those Somali ran businesses, those aren't real businesses. That's not how a daycare works. >> Did you see the other fraud that's going on now in Minnesota as well with the assisted living facilities? >> Yeah. So, they're all these welfare programs. So, the daycare, it's tied into that fraud. The home healthcare, that's tied into that fraud. The assisted living tied into that fraud. The transportation vehicles, that's all tied into the fraud. The translators at the hospitals, which no one even knows about, that's tied into the fraud. Who reached out to you from the video? uh everybody like I have I can't even get I can't even respond to somebody then get back to the text message after cuz it's 10 people deep within five minutes but on the internet uh JD Vance he republished the video Elon Musk the attorney general of the United States the director of the FBI so many people that's just those are that think about that's the the richest man in the world the second most powerful man in the world the attorney general eneral of the United States and the director of the FBI, they all had to come out and talk about that video. >> Did the governor of Minnesota reach out to you? >> No, he actually blamed the fraud on Trump. >> And what did he say Trump did? >> He said, "Well, Trump keeps letting fraudsters out of prison and he blamed and deflected everything." He actually called me a white supremist. He called anybody who's speaking out against the fraud white supremist. And what's your response to that? I'm not. And fraud is fraud. in Tim Walt. But here's the thing. That's exactly what a white supremacist would say. >> Yeah. >> Well, just like the daycarees would say, "Well, we're not fraud." You would say, "Well, I'm not." [laughter] >> Well, I'm not a white supremacist. All right. Tim Waltz, he is so scared to be called a racist and for speaking facts that he has allowed billions of dollars to be sent overseas and fund terrorists like the al-Shabaab. So Tim Waltz is a coward. And what's the benefit to Tim Waltz? The benefit to Tim Waltz, he gets votes. When you have a 100,000 people that will all go and vote for you, that's a huge percentage of the people that will vote. And this happens in Europe as well. And this is why you're seeing the rise of Islam inside of these countries like the UK. And that's why you see the Labor Party in the UK, for instance. They're so powerful. And you're seeing so many Muslims be elected inside of in Europe because they come into the country. They go then go to their mosque and then when a politician needs the vote, he'll go to the mosque where they have a thousand people inside the community. All right, we're going to we're going to and then they say, "Well, we're going to let you vote or we're going to say and then they say, well, we're going to do what you guys want. We're going to make sure you guys are protected." Um, which they already are, especially in the United States for we have the Constitution. So, but in these other places, then when it comes time to vote, the mosque, the people that run the mosque will then take everyone and go vote. In Minnesota right now, you can vote you can vouch for eight people when you go and vote. >> What does that even mean? >> Yeah. So, one person can vouch for eight people. >> And how do you prove that you've been vouched for? >> Yeah. 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Do it with Gusto at gusto.com/istic for your first three months free. That's gusto.com/istic or click the link down below in the description. Again, that is gusto.com/istic. Enjoy. Are you concerned at all though when you're speaking in broad terms of like these communities do this, these communities do that, that somehow when that gets diluted over and over, eventually it's going to turn people, you know, hate hateful towards a certain group of people that like eventually, you know, people are going to be actually Islamophobic. No, cuz I'm just showing people for what it is. If it's 89 if 89% of the population is committing the fraud in Minnesota, yeah, you might piss off a lot of people. If everyone's paying taxes, and then 81% of that population is on welfare receiving your dollars while they're committing 89% of the fraud, receiving millions of dollars, yeah, you're going to piss off a lot of people. Some would make the argument that the fraud in Minnesota is only a fraction of a percent compared to something like the pandemic unemployment fraud which was somewhere in like a hundred plus billion dollars. People should be equally mad about that. But with that, you can't go and see it. For instance, in Minnesota they had a feeding our future. They received $250 million to feed children inside Minnesota and they only ended up feeding 40 children. Another thing that people aren't talking about enough is the Califraud. California fraud. The railway that they're trying to build between Los Angeles and San Francisco. They've so far spent $15 billion on it. Not a single track has been laid. And some estimates are saying that it could take up until 2032, 2033, with also some people claiming up to 2038. This hasn't approved 150 billion with a B dollar budget, which is insane. And what's crazy is that even if they do it, they spend $135 billion and they finish in 2038. It's going to be obsolete anyway because we're going to have self-driving cars, no one is going to use it. We're all going to get in like a Tesla taxi cab and just be in your own little pod and just go there anyway. It would be fascinating to uncover that because I imagine you said actually that you were having billionaires reaching out to you asking you to uncover more fraud specifically in California. Yeah, cuz imagine how mad you'd be if you're a billionaire and all of a sudden you just they just impose a new tax. They're trying to impose a new tax on these billionaires and you're seeing stuff like that happen. Elon Musk just tweeted today that he actually broke the IRS software because he sent a tax payment that was so large that they couldn't process it and they had to update the software. It had to have an extra digit. Wow. >> For him to make the tax. Yeah. Elon's the beast. Like Elon is the one of the biggest net benefits for civilization that we have lived in our lifetimes that we have experienced. >> Why do you think it is that he gets so much hate? >> Yeah. Because he speaks the truth and he creates innovation. People don't like that. >> Why do people not like truth or innovation? Innovation specifically. Why do people not like it? >> Yeah. Cuz it goes against what they're trying to do. For instance, if you're trying to receive hundreds and billions of dollars for the homeless population and then Elon Musk goes on, Joe Rogan, he says, "Well, that actually could probably be solved, but these people are incentivized to keep homeless so they can keep the funding." So, when he's trying to talk about stuff is like AI, um like AI is a complicated one because we don't really know what it's going to be like when cuz we're just sitting here. We're just average people. But, um we have to I think with AI that's very important that we're on top of what's going on with AI. But Elon Musk, he's been like the biggest net benefit as far as giving us a platform to post free speech and not worry about getting censored on to give us stuff as like Starlink or to give us Teslas. Like what bad has he done for a civilization? What benefit have you seen from using X? Yeah, X is YouTube people go to get informed. X they go to get their news and Tik Tok they go to get entertained. And so when you post on X, you have no cap on how many impressions you can get. On YouTube, it's very hard to get a v video over a million, especially get one over 5 million. And good luck ever getting a video over 100 million. On X, um, on X, you can simply just upload and then it can get shared to everyone. And, uh, the most powerful people in the world use X. That was an interesting point that you made, which is billionaires are probably not going to be spending 40 minutes watching a documentary on YouTube. And so even if your video got 4 million views on YouTube, the 100 million views that you got on X, you're going to have a different caliber of viewers there that you know will not spend all the time trying to do the deep dives into research because their time is spent, you know, running billion dollar companies. Yeah. So they're simply like on their breaks or when they're doing stuff or in their office, they're just all right, let's get the quick news. What's happening for today? What's Trump saying? Um, and boom, it's just right there. Instantly. >> We got to post on X. >> Yeah. What are we doing? >> Yeah, I agree. We should. >> We got We got to post on X. Would you like What opportunities have risen for you for posting on X? >> Yeah. I think X, like I said, it's a place for people to go get their news. So, um, for me, I mean, I've been able to get reach different audiences. For in on YouTube, I'm not going to reach an audience of people that are literally like trying to make the change in the United States. You're getting more uh consumers and less producers. The producers are on X. The people that are making the changes in the world, they're on X. You have the crypto people, they're on X. You have the AI people, they're on X. The government, they're on X. So, you have all the most powerful people literally getting information from people just like me who are posting on X. Do you make money on X? >> You don't. That's the problem with X is you don't make that much money. However, the opportunities that you could get could lead to more money as far as like people people then when they go to YouTube and they see your thumbnail, then they then click on your video cuz it gives your face more recognition. It's just like posting on Tik Tok. You don't really don't make that much money posting on Tik Tok, but then when they go to YouTube and they see your face, they then click on the button. What's been the downside to this much virality? the doxing cuz they don't really have they can't get anything on me cuz I haven't really done anything like I've they don't have much controversy. I've lived my life in a way where I can feel like I try to live a life where I can feel shameless if I have to if I ever die. You know what I mean? Like I don't want to go up to heaven and have a bunch of sins have to repent for. So like I've always lived my life in a way where um I'm going to have fun, do my thing, but I'm going to make sure I stay within the guidelines of what I believe to be correct. And so with that, since they can't come after me, they're coming after people around me or my family members or they're trying to get information on stuff. And it's like, well, there's really not much you can get. And uh why would you be putting my information out onto the internet? Why would you be putting my >> How did they get your information like that? >> I don't know. Like I've done such a good job at like keeping all my information private. I have not included uh really anybody in my family into my YouTube channel channel other than my mom. Um, so I've tried to keep everyone kind of stepped aside from my content and uh they're just seeing how evil people are for wanting to come and kill me for talking about fraud. How do you protect yourself and make sure that you're safe? Yeah. Now it sucks cuz now I have to have security. Like I never expected to have to go film a video and have four security people inside of a car watching around or walking to the to the corner to make sure that no threat comes. Cuz in Minnesota, I go and film part two and a man, a Somalian man stops in the middle of the intersection, stops his car in the middle of a red light in the middle of the intersection, hops out and just comes and literally tries to come and attack me. >> And what happened? >> The luckily security was there to stop him. But if he wasn't that footage, >> yes. >> Whoa. And so luckily like now I just can't go and do stuff because especially with I pissed off a pretty bad group of people that piss off the Somali population cuz if it's one if you piss off one Somali you're pissing off the whole entire community. Do you worry about maybe like you should wear like a bulletproof vest or something? >> Yeah. Every time I'm out in public now um especially when I'm filming always wearing a bulletproof vest. >> And how do you protect your identity if let's just say you're going to stay in like a hotel or like order an Uber? Like would you ever worry that someone would see this and be like, "Oh, wait. This is the guy." Make a few phone calls. Hey, I'm dropping him off here. >> Yeah. Yesterday at the airport, I told you guys like, "I'm not getting an Uber, so you need to get someone to pick me up." So, that's like a big issue I have now. >> And have you ever had any other nasty encounters with people that want to do you harm? >> Oh, plenty. Especially I get very positive reactions from people when I'm out in public. However, when I'm live streaming, I go to a protest. Like I'm walking into the dens of the lions, bro. They like just come after me. Like they'll literally come and swarm me. And uh I used to not bring security with me. But uh so now I don't know how I'm going to be able to go do those live streams because people have became so radicalized. And what you're seeing with the news right now is they've came and attacked me so hard. And what they try to get you on is you're uh they say you're a MAGA influencer, conservative, anti-immigration, Islamophobe. So when they do get to the point where they then try to do something to my life, they can justify it. >> I think you probably should not be going live anymore. It would be like at this point you could just be doing filming videos and honestly honestly maybe even disguising yourself like having a makeup team. >> I said >> having some sort of a makeup team to because also people are going to recognize you and they're going to behave differently when you walk up to a place wanting to film them. And if you were to just put on a wig and do some makeup and look completely differently, you're going to have a more unbiased perspective when you're trying to investigate things. >> Exactly. And uh kind of going back to the point of like being on X versus just being a YouTuber, for instance, a lot of other YouTubers, I mean, they probably still go into they might have a lot more subscribers than me. Um, however, they don't have this much recognition because I'm on all platforms and I focus on all platforms. And so like for instance a few other YouTubers for instance like Tommy G I really like Tommy G's video but he's not really in the political aspect of things where his videos are getting posted on X. So people probably aren't trying to make attacks on him attacks on him and he's not as controversial as me but because I kind of do newsbased videos and now you're seeing the left come at me for being a a a MAGA influencer or for being a conservative for uh being a a YouTube prankster when I was younger. They're all being anti-immigration. They're all trying to put this picture on me so then they can come and attack me. >> Why is it turned so politicized? Why can't we all just be in agreement that we're against fraud no matter who commits it? >> Wouldn't you think people would be celebrating that I just went exposed one of the largest fraud scandals in America history? Like, shouldn't be people be happy that oh, our taxes were finally going to be able to at least get a hold of one of the fraud scandals here in the United States. Shouldn't people be happy about that? Instead, they're instead the news is investigating the journalist versus investigating the fraudsters. CNN did a whole entire thing on me when I went outside of Quality Larrying Center and I talked to them and then they're like, "We called seven of the daycarees. One of them answered and they said they weren't fraudulent trying to debunk my claim." I'm like, >> incredible reporting from one of the most trustworthy sources ever. >> They said it was legit. So, uh, yeah. And I even gave them the opportunity to interview me live at that same location when they were on live and they said no. >> Really? They said no. So they would rather talk about you than talk to you. >> And so I knew when I was having that interaction how they were going to clip it up, but they actually did a fair job in making me making me look very well because I answered all of her questions. So one thing I'm really curious about, there's a proposed tax strike going on right now on Twitter that a lot of people are saying, "Hey, we shouldn't pay our taxes because all of it's going to waste." What are your thoughts on a tax strike? Yeah, I mean the Boston Tea Party, they they they freaked out because of a just a few percentages. We're paying 40, 30, 20, some people are paying 50% of taxes of their dollars to the government. So, um I don't think it's a bad thing. It's not it wouldn't be anything new for America. But the problem is they'll imprison you if you don't pay your taxes. But if you're a politician who allows $9 billion of fraud, nothing nothing happens. See, how do you explain to the taxpayer the discrepancy when they want to track Venmo payments of more than $600, but there is so much fraud going on every day that you could blatantly see? How do you explain that to the taxpayer in terms of a discrepancy of like we want to track this, but there's so much just wasted? Yeah. I don't know. It's like shameful how much money we give to taxes. And I'm not into the nitty-gritty of the IRS. I'm not a tax I'm not a tax uh person. I'm not a CPA, but I just know that we pay way too much taxes. And what happens to a society if people stop believing that their tax dollars are going to the right places? You're seeing it right now. People are very upset. Like you said, people are go attempting to go on a tax strike and it'd be amazing if we could actually do something. And people are so mad at Trump for putting tariffs on other countries. And the whole goal is eventually to kind of make instead have the IRS have a different way of funding for our country. There was a really interesting tweet that said that roughly $1.5 trillion a year is wasted due to fraud or overspending and that if we could just get rid of that, you could literally implement no income tax on all income under $650,000 a year. Mhm. Just get rid of the waste and the fraud. >> Yeah, I 100% believe it. And why why should the government be paying for people's lifestyles? Why should they be paying for giving people millions of dollars? Why should they be giving people millions of dollars where they're turnurning profit for systems like daycare centers? If anything, it should just be a nonprofit. Do you think that the fraud is partisan? That one side engages in more fraud than the other? Yes, 100%. >> And how do you know that? >> Just look at Minnesota. Look at California. There's fraud in all 50 states. But you're seeing massive fraud take place inside of these states. For instance, just with the illegal immigration fraud that took place when we started letting in millions of people inside the United States. That was a total left-wing issue. Democrats were flying people in, literally flying them into the United States. So, how was that fraud to let in immigrants? So when we talk about like spending then they're giving the money to the NOS's and so >> explain an NGO. >> Yeah. So NGO is a non uh government organization and in California for instance you you'll see a ton of NOS's and I even had a mayor of a California town tell me why they create these NOS's. So for instance say you're going to run for office and you need campaign money and you're currently in office but you're going to need more money for your next campaign. Well you go and tell somebody hey go start this NGO. we're going to give you the money. Once the money is sent over to you, um we'll get it back into to our hands for the campaign. And so then there is an elabel, this is allegedly because I don't want to get sued, but that's one of the ways why there you see so many NOS's. And that's why, for instance, the migrant crisis, people were making millions and millions of dollars off of that migrant crisis. Now, when you expose all the fraud, are you worried about getting sued or being dragged into a lawsuit that could take a long time and cost a lot of money? They're have they'll have to defend themselves as well. They'll have to prove that they're a legit business. So, Quati Laring Center, they can't prove they're a legit business cuz they're a fraudulent business. Here's what could be the potential, though. I should start saying allegedly a little bit more >> maybe. But the issue that you run into is someone could just say, "Hey, I'm going to sue you for saying this for defamation. The damage is $100 million and because we have so much money behind us, we're just going to drag it out for years and so we're going to cost you $500 grand and either you have to pay it or hey, we just settle and you give us $50,000 and you agree not to talk about us." How are you planning to combat that if someone were to sue you? Yeah. So, when did like journalism become criminal, too? Like that's a whole another thing of it's like I'm a journalist. I go out and show people what's happening and uh do you think like CNN they came after me yesterday and it's like okay. They're like are you 100% tr uh your video? I said um I said well I presented you how it was. You can go ahead and make your own analysis. And I and she said well are you 100% sure. I said yeah I am sure. And then someone comments like, "Hey, were you guys 100% true about Russian gate, about mass immigration, about COVID? Were you guys 100% true about all these other things?" So, it's like, how can Well, the unfortunate aspect of lawsuits is that you can make any claim you want to, even if it's completely false, and then it's up to the other person to defend themselves legally, which costs a lot of money. At that [clears throat] point, it really just becomes a battle of of money of just who has more resources to bully the other person. >> Yeah, it is scary. But I have a feeling I if in the event you get hit with a lawsuit that you would be able to basically just post on Twitter and I bet someone would be willing to either give you free legal service or fund it. Yeah. Cuz I think uh like for instance the Minnesota stuff, it's fraud. Like if someone wants to try and sue you for that, they're going to have to prove that they're not fraudulent. Did you see that? Over 40 centers opened up on the same day, actually linked to the same inactive shell company. Yeah, there's massive fraud in Minnesota. Inside of one building I went to, there was 14 home healthcare businesses and then inside of another one, there was 22. If you're a business, why would you have all of your competitors in the same business as you? Like, there's no need for the fraud that's taking place in Minnesota. So, what do you think is wrong with traditional journalism? One is they go through all this stuff. It's like the same reason why like going to college is almost a disadvantage these days, I feel like, because you're having these professors teach you about marketing. Meanwhile, they've never received 100 million views on a social media page. And that's where our future is, is through social media. And so with the new main with the mainstream media, I mean, they're defending fraud right now versus they're investigating the person who's found fraud instead of investigating the people that are committing the fraud. Like I like me and other people like myself, we're the biggest threat to them because we're doing what they can't. And mainstream media, they have all these editorial rooms. They have people above that are paying for them. They have all this stuff going on where they just can't go from phone editing to publishing. They have to go to phone editing editor look at it, make sure it looks good, make sure the higherups approve of it, and then we publish the video. And then if they speak out against it, we saw people like, for instance, uh, Sage Steel for ESPN, she spoke out against some stuff that happened. They then fired her. So people don't feel like they can speak freely on the internet or on their on these m on these mainstream platforms. >> Do you think that mainstream media will end up dying 100%. >> No, not completely because you still do have maybe like 100 years from now. Yes. But for the next 20 years or so, you'll still see these companies cuz one, a lot of these billionaires are operating them so they can just continue to embezzle money into these mainstream news media like these these news companies and so they'll be able to continue to operate. But you'll see people lose less and less trust. I believe after my Minnesota video, the trust for the mainstream media went down to all-time low. When you were making that video, did you uncover other fraud in the process? Yeah. So, I have a part two coming out that we are going to go into a whole separate thing of the fraud that enables the fraud to continue, which is these transportation companies that allows the fraud to kind of make it look like it's not as fraudulent. >> So, explain this. >> Yeah. So, you have the home healthcare business, you have the daycarees, you have the adult daycarees, and like when did we ever hear about adult daycarees? Like, what the heck? Like, how many >> that what does that look like? >> Yeah. Like a bunch of old people in diapers. I don't know. I guess elderly hair is my guess. >> Yeah, but like why so many of them? >> But uh and why do like assisted living? So they have all these they have all these welfare programs and they have autism as well. Autism rates have skyrocketed throughout Minnesota as they've received uh millions and millions of dollars. Autism rates have significantly went up for some random reason. But um so with these transportation companies, they're all linked. It's like a It's like what keeps the bike chain spinning, the transportation company, because what these transportations do is these home healthcare companies are able to say, "Okay, well, our client needs to go to this healthcare provider to receive his treatment, but there's actually no treatment that needs to get no there's no service that actually needs to be rendered. But to get their payment, they're say, "Okay, we're going to move this elderly person from the adult daycare center to our healthcare company. And then we're going to charge the transportation vehicle." And then because we charged him, we have proof that somebody showed up to that service. And so then we're going to charge the service, and then we're going to send the person back in the transportation vehicle. But they never actually send a person, and they just write false claims and false services. But because they're transportation companies, that's like their proof of being able to say like, "Yes, the service was rendered." >> So, they're driving around and there's no one in the car. >> Yeah. If you drive around Minnesota, drive around Minneapolis, you will see tons and tons of vans of Somalian men driving these Chrysler vans. They're primarily Chrysler vans for whatever reason. And there's nobody in the vehicle. >> And it's the Simoleons doing this one as well, >> Jack. 89% of the fraud happening in Minnesota is by Simoleons. But don't you have any other group of people that are like, you know, doing the same thing? Like >> there was fraud being committed as well by white people and they were charged, >> but the Somalians weren't. One Somalian man was caught for $7 million of fraud. Charged. A judge overturned it after he had been charged for fraud. What was his fraud? >> Uh I think it was adult daycare centers. It was one of the welfare frauds. He was charged for $7 million and the judge went and reversed it. Is this just a couple like Somalian kingpins that are very clever that are able to see how to create these fraudulent systems or or what how how do you know who's at the top basically? Well, that's the problem is it's so big like the roots are so deep now like where you have so many connections. That's why it's so hard that's why it's been so hard for the FBI to really go in and do what they need to do because it's such a so much fraud has been happening. Tim Walter said he's been trying to combat fraud since 2019. Within six years, a lot of things can happen. A lot the roots can just keep getting deeper and deeper. More people can be brought into the fraud. That's why it's getting becoming so hard. And so at the top level, do you think it's mostly negligence of the people that make the policy or do you think that it's cowardice or do you think it's like legitimately just people that are not smart? >> Cowardice. And it's a huge group of people to get votes. You have upwards of 100,000 people where you can go get votes instantaneously. How much of this do you think was started innocently of like, hey, we want to support the community. We we we think that if we could help parents out, give them free access to child care, they could do better. 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Again, that is shopify.com with the link also down below in the description. Enjoy. So, if you were governor for a day, what would you do? I would cut all funding. I would stop it. I'd put immediate pause to all funding and say, "All right, you guys. We're gonna send out this group. We're gonna get everyone inside this room and here's the daycarees we're gonna go check out. And if they can't answer simple questions, then we're going to send them over to the federal government and then from the federal government, they're going to go and do their investigation. Like it is so simple to stop the fraud. You literally would just say, "All right, let's pause all payments or let's get all the groups that are receiving money from the government for welfare purposes. Let's go to the autism clinics. Let's go to the daycarees. Let's go to the adult daycarees. Let's go to the home health uh let's go to the home healthcare providers. Let's go to the transportation vehicle companies. and let's see what's happening and let's just ask them, hey, can you show us um how you guys are operating? Do it. It'd be they could solve it in a week. What do you think is the best anti-fraud measure that you've seen to show you're a legitimate business before receiving money? Like I think what they're doing right now by them freezing all that funding. Amazing. Why didn't they do that before? Like they should show that they're a legit business before they receive the money. >> Who decided to freeze it? >> The HHS. Mhm. >> So it was not Tim Waltz. >> Not Tim Waltz. >> So in terms of >> my favorite new hobby is rat showing Tim Waltz on Twitter. >> I see you ratioing everybody on Twitter. That's your new favorite hobby apparently. What's your Twitter look like? >> Yeah, I'm getting pretty good at rat showing people like Tim Waltz on Twitter cuz they're speaking like idiots and they're supporting fraud and it turns out that the majority of the population doesn't support fraud. And so on Twitter it's been actually crazy. For instance, just the past few days on Twitter, I put out one tweet, um, over 200,000 likes on me calling out the mainstream media. And a simple tweet of me saying, "Mainstream media is more mad at me than they are than they are at the fact that billions of your tax dollars are being used for fraudulent business. I am not an enemy of the people. They are. I am with you. They are against you. Remember that." 253,000 people like that tweet. Wow. >> In one day. one day. >> And then in terms of like ratioing, have you had any like you know, how does he is he just ignoring it? >> Oh, he's been trying to for the video got over 500 million views in impressions alone on the within the first 72 hours, Tim Waltz was posting about his cat out of the fire at the at his uh at his house. >> What about the mayor? The one that was in cahoots with the Somalian guy? I haven't heard anything from him. Nothing. Like all they have to do is just like simply say, "All right, we're going to pause fraud. We're going to stop it." Tim Walt just keeps blaming Trump for the fraud. And then you're also seeing people come out like Hassan Biker. He's such a clown. A little commie. >> Have you spoke to Hassan? >> No. And I'd actually be interested in speaking with these people. >> We had him on the podcast before twice actually. >> And I'd be But the thing is I don't respect these people because they don't go out and actually go see stuff for themselves. They're literally just talk behind a streaming desk. It would be interesting to go out in the field with Hassan to Minnesota. >> I would do it. >> I think it would be very But but the problem now is that every single daycare is going to look legit. Yeah. >> They're going to throw kids in there and then it's going to be ah there we go. >> I knew that was going to happen. And so, for instance, Hassan, he retweeted some So, since I've gotten so much attention on X lately, um, some of the people that are running for reelection in Minnesota have said like, "Oh, we helped Nick Shirley," which is completely false. I saw this yesterday. I was like, "Wait, what?" And, uh, so this person put out this tweet. He he got 7,000 likes cuz this candidate said that she had worked in worked with me in this video, which was false. And I simply put, this is completely false. I have no idea who this lady is. She is lying to make herself look good for her camp campaign. Shame on her. >> 73,000 likes and the original post got 7,000 likes. So, I have way more support on my side because how can you defend fraud? You can't defend it. If some you watch someone steal $100 from your grandma, you're just going to let them walk away. What states do you think are the worst for fraud? Yeah, California is very bad. Minnesota very bad. New York is going to become very bad. One of Mandami's things that he ran on was giving free child care. And now what do we know about these daycare businesses? They're fraudulent. It's a great way to embezzle money into the hands of other people. The other thing I'm just curious about is we we discussed how crazy your past 72 hours are. You said you've been reached out to by the vice president, by, you know, Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, by Elon Musk. I'm curious any other opportunities that have risen from this? I saw you actually just went on uh value tamement, PB podcast. Any other thing? >> Yeah, I mean a lot of people are trying to get just get me offers and stuff, but I don't not I'm not interested in really working for anybody else but myself. >> What do you mean offers? Like is Fox News coming to you? >> No, just like people are like come joining this platform, come get on this thing, come do this. And uh like I'm just happy doing my stuff 100% independent. And then in terms of the amount of exposure, you said that like you did feel a little unsafe walking through the streets of Minnesota. Anything else like walking even at an airport, I imagine just your life has been turned upside down. You're getting recognized everywhere. Even when I picked you up from the airport, you were completely disguised. Like you had on your hoodie, you had your hat on, you had sunglasses on, you like totally, you know, hunched up. What other things have like just for you as a person? How has life changed? Yeah, it's hard because you don't like I I was getting views on social media before this, so like I already had the like I I already get spotted and I don't want to act like I'm some crazy famous person, but over the past 72 hours I I was like the most searched person on the internet whereas the you couldn't escape me from whether it be the memes on TikTok or the post on X. And so like that exposure in that time when I posted the video the day after Christmas, everyone's on break. They're on their phones. And so, um, the exposure has been crazy. And then the threats and everything like that. For instance, just like getting on the plane to come to leave Minnesota, I was in aisle 10 and within those aisles of me getting on the plane, within those 10 rows, five people came up to me. Like just to get to my seat, five people recognized me from those 10 aisles. What's the interactions like with those people? >> Uh, positive. And never anything like someone screaming at you or like yelling at you >> unless I'm at a protest. But it was a little worrisome at the Minneapolis airport for instance because a lot of the workers were Somalian. And so I was all covered up and everything but then I'd look up and then they're looking at me, they're showing their phone to their friend like is that the guy? Is that him? And it's like oh my gosh getting you out of here. >> And what about with your parents? >> What's like >> their reaction? >> Like my mom, she's involved in my channel. like she's a big charact she's like a character on my channel and everything like that and so um yeah they're just trying to go after anything they can potentially go after. And so what are your plans with the business? I imagine that you started making quite a bit of money from making this video popping off in the way that you have. What do you what do you how do you move forward from here? Yeah, I mean like the money aspect didn't change from what I had before because I've always been making money on YouTube these past two years and uh like I said, I just thought this was going to be a regular upload and I thought I need to focus on my next video. But when you post a video in the whole entire country that the media of the country that is not um Fox News or Newsmax comes after you, it kind of pushes you away from anything to do with that. They're trying to say like they're trying to give reasons for people to kill me. Do you seriously worry about being like that? I mean, there's constant attacks and uh I've been attacked on live streams and the police had to arrest two people in New York City on a live stream. This is before this happened. They had to arrest two people for attacking me live. People are deranged right now. Does it ever make you pause and think, is this worth it if my life is on the line? >> Yeah, it does. And so kind of going back to what Jack was saying, like where do I go now? So it's like, okay, do I post a YouTube video every single week now? Because I really just can't go out into a street and go make a video like I used to. Like in in uh Somalia or Minnesota, I had to go out and uh have four security guards with me so I could just go film my video. And so it's kind of like when you see like for instance Riley Gaines who spoke out against what was happening to her personally in her life and it was just something super matter of fact like super common sense what she was speaking out against. Yet the left came at her so hard and they attacked her so hard to that to the point where her herself she's she's her own movement in a way where she can go and talk about what they did because she has that backing of literally people turning on her for having common sense. And so what you just saw with me just with everybody turning all the mainstream media and the left coming out and defending fraud like my life has been changed over these past 72 hours. And uh at least for these next few months, I'm like, this is going to be a little harder to do what I got to do. But I'm not going to stop. Like they're not going to stop me. They're not going to fear me away from doing it. I just have to go about it in a different way. But um I do have the o I do have an opportunity now to really move it towards something and I've which is something I've been wanting to do for a while. >> And what do you think you're going to move it towards? Do you think you're going to do more fraud videos? Do you think you're going to build some sort of a network? Yeah, I think uh fraud's obviously very important and uh obviously people are passionate about it, right? Because no one likes to see their money get stolen because that's what fraud is. It's your dollars, my dollars, their dollars all getting stolen. And so nobody likes to see it happening, especially when you can go and literally see it with your eyes. So I do have plans on creating some sort of uh I don't want to say like a movement in a way, but something where people can be like, "Okay, I'm a part of this." I would love to see a public tip network or something that is open for everybody to look at where you could submit anonymous uh tips for fraud that's going on or you know, hey, we should look into this. >> Yeah, like a decentralized doge. >> I would love that. And then imagine you could type in a zip code and you could see, hey, these are all the fraud claims in this area. And you you know you there you take it with a grain of salt of course but at least hey we could look into some of these things. >> It might be hard cuz then you'd be like doxing individuals and businesses like if you don't know but I do like that idea. >> Um there is an IRS tip line. >> Yes. >> Where you have to bring forth some sort of an evidence that someone is committing tax fraud and then you can actually take a percentage of what they claim from that individual. And then on top of that, if they're able to do that from the people they're supposed to be representing or serving, then why can't we do that with them? Like, why can't we detect government fraud? >> So, it's interesting on the IRS thing. I didn't realize they have to prove more than $2 million of tax revenue that gets collected to receive a payout. >> Is that what it is? That's probably why it's so hard for people to actually go get that. >> So, it's not like you could just say, "Hey, you know, so and so uh isn't paying their taxes." is you have to go with receipts and the IRS has to be able to collect $2 million minimum. >> But it makes it cuz they don't want to be like, "Oh, we're not going to spend all these resources tracking down like a missed, you know, $400 payment or something like because by that time >> major by that time most likely that money has already gone to Dubai and then it was sent taxfree to some other country cuz that's what the Somalians do in Minnesota. Uh, if you go on to YouTube and you can look up this video from 2017, Fox News did a a video. I think the local Fox News did a video where Somalians were bringing in millions of dollars in cash through TSA and they then take it over to Dubai and then they send it off to Somalia. Um, so like a lot of that money, this is another part that's going to be in my part two videos, is I interviewed a man who used to work at TSA in the airport and he dealt with millions of dollars in cash that the Somalians would take through the airport. You're going to be Somalia's like number one enemy. >> Oh, for sure. >> How much would someone have to pay you to visit Somalia? [laughter] >> Uh, $9 billion. Get all Get all our money back. >> 9 million. >> 9 billion. >> That's what we've given them. >> I mean, that would be extremely entertaining, but also dangerous. >> Yeah, that would be crazy, right? If I went to Somalia. >> Well, because we're probably going to post this around the time you're posting your video. Is there anything you could tell us about that one? Mhm. >> Well, just the fact that um the like in going deep into the transportation companies, none of them existed. We went to all of them. They had a they had transportation companies listed in apartments and they receive money from the government to go and do these uh non-emergency transportation. Are you seeing any of these people with like a very flashy lifestyle like fancy cars and nice clothes and things like this? >> Yes. outside the daycarees. There's this one daycare that this is another example of blatant fraud. So this daycare they closed down because of violations and then the that same day they reopened underneath a different name and continue to receive money. I went to the daycare three BMWs in a Range Rover outside. No children. It's like It's like those shows where it's like, "How stupid are you to show that you're committing fraud? Why are you driving around in how is our how is our government funded daycare receiving three BMWs and a Range Rover outside?" >> I mean, those are really good for daycare. >> Yeah, really good for the kids. I just They just love the leather seats. And >> what is your dream video to make? >> Dream video to make um I've always wanted to interview like presidents. Oh, so it would just be an interview. >> Well, that's like a dream video of mine is to do like I really wanted to interview Naive Kelly in El Salvador. >> Um, >> have you spoken to him? >> I've met him once. I shook his hand. >> Was it brief? Cuz I know you made the the first video I saw of you was at the SECOT. >> Yeah, it was very I literally just shook his hand and he just he I was just like in a press pool and I shook his hand and he just And uh I've seen Trump I met Trump uh in the Oval Office. I gave a speech to Trump a briefing at the Antifa thing. So that's another thing why like how did you get that interview >> um with Trump? >> Yeah. >> Well, I just it was interesting cuz I got invited to the White House for when Naib Kelly came. El Salvador actually invited me to the White House and I had no idea what was going to happen. I thought I was just going to be able to take photos when they go in to the White House and I thought that was going to be it. And they're like, "Oh, you're going to be in the you're going to go into the oval." And I didn't know whether or not there they said you're going to go into the meeting where the president and naive were speaking and I didn't know whether it was going to be like the Roosevelt room, the the Oval Office. So like I'm just in this press pool and they just like push me up front and I look up and I just see Trump's just like I was like what is going on? I was it it felt like a and he has like so much makeup on. He kind of he didn't even really look real. He's just like sitting there like this and then naive Kelly is just like this and uh then Trump just looks at his sheet like all right all right everybody he starts speaking and then they're like does any then Trump goes finishes talking with naive he's like questions and then everyone just starts yelling like Mr. President Mr. President Mr. President Mr. President Mr. doesn't I'm like, "Wait, am I going to ask a question?" And so I'm right next to CNN with Caitlyn Collins and me and her are battling to get a question off and finally I just get a question off and you see my hand is like shaking like this >> and I asked Trump the question and that was very cool. What was the question? I asked him like how essential is it to be sending people to uh I think to SOT like how essential is it to be getting these people out of our country? because they're a bunch of like we don't want Venezuelan gangsters inside of our country like and if Venezuela would accepted them send him to SECO. Were you happy with Trump's response? Yeah, I was happy with it. I was just happy to get the question off and not look like a fool cuz you only have one shot to ask ask a question when you're inside the Oval Office. And I was the first YouTuber ever to document an Oval Office meeting. Now, I'm curious based on that, uh, you were on the PBD podcast and you put out a tweet and you said, "Hey, for these people, how could I help?" >> Mhm. >> Did any of them reach out? >> Yeah. Within like an hour after I left, I got like a call from the FBI. >> How do they get your phone number? >> I think it's the FBI. The >> FBI on something today. That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> They just know what's crazy though. So they called me and I missed the call cuz I've had my phone on disturb. I missed the call and then I could then I had received so many calls within those 10 minutes that I didn't I couldn't track back the phone call so I couldn't get back to him. >> Wait, so they reached out. Did they leave a voicemail or anything? >> No. So like you know on the iPhone how now like you can screen a phone call and so I was in the Uber car with the I was in the car with the Uber and I was like well I don't want to answer the phone like with the Uber right there. And so I was like, "Okay, I'll call him back." And then by the time I had got out of the Uber to then call him back, I couldn't find my phone number. Phone >> You got to do another tweet and be like, "A FBI, I missed your phone call. Please call me back and leave a voicemail." >> Yeah. And then put your phone number at the end of the tweet. >> Yeah. Like right right now I have over 450 messages that I can't even respond. >> Can I see Can I just see your phone? >> Yeah. >> Oh my gosh. Like I don't even know who's reaching out to me. >> You were not kidding. >> No, I literally don't know who's reaching out to me because there's a lot of these phone numbers I don't have saved and so I'm not just going to start responding to people. >> Wow. >> Oh, nice. You got a text from Andrew Callahan. >> Yeah. >> What do you think about Andrew Callahan? >> I don't understand why he's kind of gone so left leaning on a lot of his stuff. Um, but I think he's he he's a he's a good person. He has a good heart. >> He would probably say the same thing to you. I don't understand why he's gone so right leaning on his stuff. Yeah, he even called me out in one of his videos for being a right like right-wing YouTubers in Portland when I was literally getting attacked by Antifa. And so I was like, "Wait, come on, dude." But it's interesting, me and him had lunch cuz I I I used to love Channel 5 um and like All Gas, no breaks. I really like that the what he was doing and I thought it was interesting. So he he was like one of the people I I liked when I was kind of like getting inspired to do more more political, more serious videos. And uh I had lunch or dinner with him one night when I was in California and we talked and he said he was excited to see what Trump was going to do. And then I was just kind of confused when I saw that like he went like very anti-Trump. >> Mhm. >> And like started uh just being very anti-Trump. >> What do you think when people call you a rightwing influencer? >> That's what they're going to call me because I'm speaking out against I'm not even speaking out actually. I'm what you've saw for me the past two years has been me just acquiring knowledge about what's happening, interviewing people and seeing what's happening in the world. Now they have forced me to use the knowledge I've acquired to give my opinion as they've attacked me over the past 72 hours and people are loving it. >> You also gave a speech to President Trump as well. >> Yeah. >> How did that go? What was the speech about? Yeah, I got invited to the round table about Antifa because in Portland, literally inside of Portland, there was an entire block where Antifa had essentially took control of and they started like controlling the traffic, controlling the streets, like at certain times when they were protesting, they were inund they were like in they were in over a 160day protest about ICE and the Portland police did not do anything about it. And so they then invited us to go to this roundt meeting with Trump. And I had no idea Trump was going to be there. I had no idea that I was going to give a speech. They just said like some important people are going to be there from the cabinet and you're going to have the opportunity to be there. And then that morning when I get to the hotel, they're like, "All right, we're going to hop on a Zoom call." And Caroline Levit hops on and she says, "You guys, we're gonna have you're gonna have the opportunity to kind of talk about your experience with what you've seen. um it'll be super brief, like two, three minutes, and just kind of share your experience with the president. I was like, what? Hold up. We're going to have to give a speech. And then I wrote my speech like 5 minutes before I got picked up by the Uber to go to the White House and it did over uh 50 million views. >> I saw it. It was a really good speech. >> What's your favorite meme from this whole thing? Cuz there have been so many. It's a photo of me and it says, "My next trick, make Democrats support fraud." And it's a photo of my face. It's pretty funny. What was up with that one lady who was given the speech and she said the word uh fraud and then visibly got upset and then seemed like at first she was like >> she said, "I understand fraud is bad." >> Yeah, a fraud is bad. But then was like, >> "Should I have read that?" And I couldn't tell. I But but then it seemed like she just broke down and started crying. And I was I was confused >> cuz they're all in on the fraud. She knows fraud's happening. So, she openly admitted to fraud. She >> She could have also just been misspeaking. Like when she said, "I know fraud is bad." Like that's not necessarily her saying it sounds like it, but like I know fraud is bad, but we need to afford food. Like, you know what I mean? But it also could be like, "I know fraud is bad and that's not what we're engaging in." And then the next person, a white liberal woman, speaks up and she says, she goes in her speech and then she accidentally says there is fraud and she freaks out, too. >> So, are they given a script? >> They're all reading a piece of paper. >> So, who's given him the piece of paper to read? And why don't they proofread this before saying it? >> Well, then they went off the record and started speaking without the paper and they started saying this fraud is bad. And you're seeing like all these like white liberal women are their worst enemy. They're supporting people who are stealing from them. They support criminals that look at them as prey. Like their logic is so bad that they literally have gotten to the point where they support criminals and fraudsters. And that's why fraud's been able to happen because people are so scared to talk about things for what they really are. Like fraud's bad. And if it's happening with 89% of the population inside of Minnesota and every single daycare I go to happens to be Somalians. That's the facts. You're not going to make me just not post my video because it's Somalians. >> We got to know for your business, how do you produce your videos? >> Yeah, it's just me. >> It's just you. >> You edit your own videos. >> Yeah, for the long form videos on YouTube, it's just me. >> And so, how do you film it? Like, what do you use to film your videos? Like, so I I try to film in a My whole goal is for people to feel like they're inside the video and they're feeling the video for what it really is. So, I'm not filming with a huge big camera like this. I'm filming with something that feels real like with your eye cuz sometimes I feel like the big cameras, they kind of put like a glossy feel or they put like some contrast on your skin. So, I use cameras that are very like nonprofessional in a way and I focus highly on the audio and I'll either film it or I'll bring somebody with like my mom to come and film for me. I think it'd be very interesting if you could go and show how easy it is to open a daycare. I think you should open a daycare. I should open a daycare. We should all open a daycare. >> That would be funny actually for you to open up and then run it like an an as an actual daycare. >> Yes, >> that would not help. And I promise you guys, I will not block I will not block out the windows. I'll keep it all fair and clean. I'll have a reception desk. I'll have a brochure to give everybody so they can enroll their child. And I'll have the most profitable daycare in all of Minnesota. But I just think before your next expose, go and do the thing that you are exposing before you post the video. So >> Oh, that would be interesting. Yeah. You actually do the scam before you Yeah. whatever it is, just to show and document, hey guys, here's how easy it is. I submitted my paperwork the same day I got approved the same day I was eligible for $500,000 of funding and I'm just a dude who applied online. Like, this is obviously a broken system. Somebody who lives in Minnesota should do that, but they actually say they're not accepting anymore. I believe actually the licensing website after I had exposed the the Minnesota government, the website where you could see the licensing for all the daycarees randomly crashed. Yeah. Well, I'm going to say but but if you go to let's say a state like California and you show some of the homeless fraud that's going on and you see, wait a second, these homeless shelters are getting $50,000 a month and all you have to do is do XYZ. I think it would be in everyone's best interest to you walk them through here's how you do XYZ and here's how much funding's available. >> That would be a good idea before we post the video. >> I don't live in California. I live in a state where >> you could find someone. I'm sure. >> I'm sure I could find somebody. That's a good idea. Or you could just talk to somebody about how they went about and did it. Who's who's running the business? >> Yeah. I think I think the next one though, honestly, I'd look at the landlords. >> The landlords. the landlords of the >> Wouldn't you be happy if you're a landlord and you're receiving automatic money no matter what? >> Like it's not like a morally bad issue if you're a landlord cuz you're trying to make a profit, too. >> It depends. I think either landlords could be turning a blind eye and just say, "Hey, listen. They're going to pay their rent. I don't care. I don't care what they do. I'm oblivious to it." And they could be uh just just uh ignoring. They could also just be ignorant and say, "Hey, this looks like a great business. I'm going to accept it. Or they could be complicit and say, "Hey, yeah, I, you know, they're running this and I'm going to cash in on this, too." And >> what's wrong with that, though? Like, if they're just existing and they're like, "Hey, these people are willing to pay me. It's my, you know, it's in my interest as a landlord to try to find someone to pay for the space and then they do it." It's like, it's not like they're the ones that are actually committing the fraud. They're just a person. >> What would be interesting if let's just say like, say it's a family member who owns a business. Exactly. That's what would be interesting. But that's just if it's just a random person and then one literally one person is like, "Hey, I am obtaining this money uh you know, amount per month and I can pay you $5,000 a month." And someone else is like, "I can pay you $3,000 a month." You're obviously going to go with the person that pays you $5,000 a month. I'm just saying for a lot of commercial landlords, they do a decent amount of due diligence on who the tenant is and their ability to pay the rent. and you don't want to have an issue where a tenant stops paying, you have an eviction. Any one of these things could could throw a wrench in the entire property or gets tied up in litigation. You don't want that. So, I'm just saying there's a level of due diligence the landlords have to go under to take a tenant like this and when there are so many daycarees around. I'm just saying it's something to look at. >> That's like a problem with the government because >> they've enabled it to happen for so long. They've allowed Tim Walt said he's expanding daycarees. >> He said that. And so if you're a landlord, you're probably stoked to have a business that's not a building that's not been occupied. They're going to come in and rent for $10,000 or whatever amount of money it is. You're stoked. >> It could be totally a whole system. >> Totally innocent. Days are in industrialized businesses. They're not just like >> daycarees. I'm just saying look at look at who owns the businesses, who owns the real estate. There could be something there. Maybe not. >> Mhm. >> There might be. What is your mission if you were to just say? >> Yeah. Now my journalism is turning into actual change. We've never seen something like this where after a video within hours the government launches full-on investigations into a city about fraud. There was some invest in investigations going on beforehand. However, multiple new investigations took place. You saw people going doortodoor. H uh HSI, Homeland Security started going doortodoor to some daycarees to see what was happening to Somal these Somalian ran businesses. Like you've never seen that before. So um what I'm seeing now is that my journalism can actually create real change. I'm here to help people and to show people what's happening for things as they really are and to show them the reality of things. None of us are perfect. Uh but at the end of the day the whole goal is to leave the world a better place than we left than we received it and to create actual change. >> Where does that passion come from? Why does it matter so much to you? >> I think God uses all of us in different aspects. The experiences I had when I was in high school have propelled me to where I'm at now. The experiences I had doing doortod dooror sales in Florida selling pest control allowed me to have conversations that I'm able to have now. And the opportunities I had the past two years of going around talking to people that's propelling me to where I'm at now. My acquiring knowledge phase, I like to call it, where I just soaked in as much knowledge as I could is now allowing me to give more of my opinion to people. And like I said, not everything's perfect. People might disagree with some things I have to say, but I'm just trying to point out stuff in a way that's as common sense as possible. >> Nick, thank you so much for carving out the time to come on the podcast. We really, really appreciate it. I imagine like you, you know, we mentioned earlier, your schedule is just insane right now. So, we really appreciate it. >> It's been great. >> And coming out on New Year's Day, New Year's Eve flying in to come hang with us, film with us on New Year's Day is really cool. My biggest priority is to serve the people that are watching me. So by me coming on here, I hope new people are also become interested in what's happening in the country. Like I work for the people that watch my watch my videos that give me views that allow me to continue what I'm doing. So I'm not here as a somebody who's just trying to get views at this point. I've got them already. Now I'm here to serve people. So, if you were to provide a call to action for some people out there, they want to see more of you or they want to come support you, what can they do? >> Yeah, the most important thing is just to follow me on all platforms, Nick Shirley, and just follow me. >> All of that stuff will be linked down below. You're also selling this merch. I like that. >> Yeah, a lot of people need to be learing a lot more this year, so hopefully a lot of people are learing and they're not opening up daycarees and can't even spell the word learning right. So, we're going to make the world a better place this year. >> Thanks so much for watching, guys. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Till next time, >> see you.