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The History of Recording Drums with Jay Petach

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The evolution of drum recording techniques is closely tied to the expansion of available multitrack formats, shifting from a time when kick and bass drums were often combined on a single track with vocals and other instruments occupying separate channels. As technology progressed to eight-track systems, engineers began to isolate the full drum kit, though they frequently still grouped the kick and snare together before mixing overheads or toms into one additional track. The transition to sixteen tracks marked a significant milestone where drum components like the bass drum, snare, and overheads were typically split out individually, allowing for greater flexibility in capturing specific elements of the kit while maintaining a cohesive stereo image through single overhead mics or limited multi-mic setups mixed to one channel. With the advent of twenty-four-track recording, the industry gained even more granular control over drum sounds, enabling engineers to record the bass drum, snare, stereo overheads, and various tom sections on distinct tracks tailored to their specific mixing needs. This increased capacity allowed for scenarios where a drummer's kit could be spread across eight or more tracks if the production did not require space for many other instruments, effectively turning the drums into a collection of individual sources rather than a single monolithic element. The decision to split the kit depended heavily on the anticipated arrangement and the need to leave room for brass, backing vocals, or other overdubs that might be added later in the session. A critical challenge in this analog era was the management of generational loss, which occurred every time audio was bounced from one track to another due to tape hiss and noise degradation. Engineers had to be strategic about their mixing choices because they could not simply duplicate tracks infinitely as is possible with modern digital cloning; each re-recording made the signal worse by approximately three decibels of added noise. Despite these limitations, legendary figures like Les Paul managed to achieve high-quality results even after numerous overdubs, often utilizing internal single-machine setups that minimized cable clutter and potential interference, proving that careful planning could mitigate the inherent drawbacks of tape-based bouncing. The discussion also highlights the unique microphone techniques employed by iconic drummers and engineers during this period, such as John Bonham's distinctive setup which utilized a shotgun microphone positioned above the kit to capture both the snare and overheads with a single source. This approach reflected a time when recording strategies were often experimental and driven by necessity rather than an abundance of tracks, forcing engineers to be inventive with their signal chains. Ultimately, the history of drum recording illustrates a journey from combining essential low-end frequencies onto limited channels to achieving a level of separation that allowed for complex, layered productions, all while navigating the physical constraints and noise floors inherent to analog tape technology.
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when when we started getting into multitrack now uh like where we could overdub like on four track basically they still pretty much recorded that same way u uh they they put like the kick and the bass on one track everybody else on another track and then then the other two tracks were overdubb vocals and other stuff uh it wasn't until they got to like a track where they said okay now we got enough tracks we can put the drums by themselves maybe I've seen some eight track track sheets where they they still have the drum and and bass drum together or the kick drum and bass together and then the drums on their But most of the time that you had drums, bass, guitar, you know, so you had enough stuff to to do that. When you got to 16 track, the 2-in 16 track, then uh drums usually got split out into uh uh bass, snare, and overhead, you know, like they they call it kit, but it was like tom symbols, you know, just single overhead mic or single overhead track. Maybe they had multiple mics, but it was all mixed to one track. When they went to 24 track, then uh it was generally like bass uh bass drum, snare drum, stereo, either stereo overhead or bass drum, snare drum, uh toms and symbols, you know, how you wanted to split out. And of course, if you had, you know, if you weren't going to put a lot of other stuff on the on the, you know, the recording, you could have the drums on like spread over eight tracks. You could have a track for the hat and stereo tracks for But, you know, it just depended on on what, you know, what you were going to be doing later on um to do that. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, that's that's the good qu the the great question here that you just um you kind of alluded to it, but really so if you have a fourtrack and you want to have uh your drums be one of the tracks, I know you would probably combine them with a four track, but you would just mainly have like would you use multiple mics and then sum them down to one track? >> Generally, yes. They have they had it was done in studios. They they had they had mixers and you know what was always I was always so impressed with the mixers back then because they they were often mixing stuff that they they they couldn't hear. You know, they would ask, okay, what are you going to be adding to this? And and we tell them at the beginning of the session, oh, we're going to maybe have some some brass come in and and so that that was in their mind when they were mixing it and they would mix it slightly differently depending on what they knew was coming up even though they couldn't hear it, you know, because it wasn't it hadn't been added yet. >> Yeah. Yeah. Really though. Okay. So, I get it though. So you have your let's say three drum mics or whatever into a mixer and then the output of the mixer would be into one of your tracks which then could be pingpong bounced down on top and and then you have the generational loss. >> Yes. Yes. That's that's somebody people you know uh today don't even think about because digital you can you know keep making clones and copies. But every time you you re-recorded something, it was worse. You know, it was like 3dB worsen noise and and you had uh any any issue with the tape and in the recording you had it actually made it worse. So, you know, Les Paul to his credit, you know, he did he was using full track tape and and and one machine and I guess maybe because it was all internal and didn't have to run cables all over the the house there. Uh his stuff sounded pretty good even after that many overdubs. Normally, normally, you know, if you overdub it like, you know, eight, eight or 10 times, you're going to hear, you know, all kinds of tape. >> Well, it's the it's the like I think you maybe you or a teacher said something to me about it's the it's the making, you know, you take a piece of paper and you make a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. It gets less clear each time and that's what happens there. But yeah, nowadays you don't we don't know the uh um you know the the world of of that. But and one thing you mentioned too with the the drum mics is it's been uh mentioned in previous episodes, but I know I think John Bonham I don't want to open the can of worms about John Bonham's recording because there's a lot of passionate people, but I believe there was a overhead. It'd be like a single overhead that was getting the snare and it would be like a shotgun mic above them to get the snare. It was just a really interesting setup and different technique back then for drum mics. I I had read some years ago uh in one of the trade mags like three Grammyinning engineers. So they're all good. One of them said, "You know, I only use uh three mic