The guidebook to successful alien contact - lessons from fostering rescue dogs - EMF 2026
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The speaker draws a fascinating parallel between the challenges of fostering rescue dogs and the hypothetical process of making first contact with extraterrestrial life, arguing that scientific knowledge is secondary to building trust. Through their experience with Heathland's Animal Sanctuary, where they care for rescued animals ranging from terrified puppies to older dogs with specific behavioral quirks, the speaker illustrates that successful integration relies on patience and understanding rather than force. Just as aliens might have evolved in vastly different environments or possess unique sensory capabilities, rescue dogs often arrive with trauma, fear, or instincts bred for specific working roles that can seem destructive in a domestic setting. The core lesson is that whether dealing with humans, animals, or potential aliens, one must approach the other party with curiosity and non-judgmental observation to understand their unique behavioral drivers before attempting interaction.
To establish this necessary trust, the speaker emphasizes creating a safe, predictable environment that gives the subject a sense of control over their experiences. This involves setting up clear boundaries, such as using crates not as punishment but as secure sanctuaries where an individual can retreat from sensory overload or fear. The presentation highlights how gradual exposure to new stimuli—like introducing harnesses, walks, or other animals—is essential; rushing the process often triggers fight-or-flight responses like freezing, aggression, or destruction. By managing expectations and adapting one's own behavior to meet the subject halfway, rather than demanding they adapt immediately to human norms, fosterers can help build confidence. This approach ensures that positive associations are formed slowly, allowing the individual to learn that new experiences are not threats but opportunities for exploration and reward.
Ultimately, the path to successful contact, whether with dogs or aliens, is defined by consistent communication, positive reinforcement, and respecting individual differences in how beings perceive and interact with the world. The speaker notes that behaviors like barking, growling, or hiding are often stress responses rather than inherent malice, requiring a calm and collected demeanor from the observer to de-escalate tension. By treating every new encounter as a learning opportunity and focusing on universal languages like tone of voice and treats, one can bridge communication gaps even without a shared vocabulary. The successful outcome for the foster dogs—finding loving forever homes that accommodate their specific needs—serves as proof that this patient, trust-based methodology works, offering a hopeful blueprint for how humanity might approach the unknown with empathy and understanding rather than fear or conquest.
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[applause]
Thank you. So, you might be wondering
what have dogs and aliens uh got in
common and uh what can we learn from
them? Is this mic working? Okay, great.
Uh so, I think there's a lot of overlap.
Uh we've been fostering dogs for about a
year now, me and my partner, and some of
them have been quite like aliens.
They've never had any experiences
before. And it's all about us kind of
building that understanding of their
behaviors, them of our behaviors,
building relationships, and being able
to live happily together. And this is
Sweet Healthy, um, who's one of the
stars of this presentation. He's the dog
we fostered for the longest for 5 and a
half months.
So, what is the key ingredient to
successful alien contact? Some people
may think it's science, and sure,
there's a lot to be learned from aliens
by science. You can learn how they
breathe. Maybe they have some
sorry maybe they have some solutions to
different problems we have. But I think
really the answer is trust because
wouldn't it be far better to be friends
with the aliens rather than know all the
science stuff that can come later. Um so
I think if you can be curious and build
trust you can do far better than NASA.
So just a bit of a background on what
dog fostering is. So, we do dog
fostering for a charity called
Heathland's Animal Sanctuary, which is
local to us in Hertfordshire. Basically,
last year we came back late from
holiday, went to the pub dog festival,
met a dog called Olaf, and started
fostering.
Um, so every charity will be different,
but basically for us, Heathlland's all
of the dogs that they uh rescue,
majority go into foster homes cuz that's
a far better experience for the dogs
rather than being in kennels. And it
helps them build up the confidence um to
be ultimately adopted, letting them
learn kind of what it's like being in a
house because some of them have never
been in homes before. Um giving So we
provide them a safe space, walkies and
um we try and teach them some tricks and
Heathland's provide the food, bedding,
toys, cover any vet bills. The average
time of foster is 2 to four weeks. We've
had 1 week to 5 and a half months. So,
it can be a big range just depending on
the individual dog and its needs. Um,
there's also a support network of other
fosterers as a Facebook group. So, we do
holiday cover. We were meant to be
fostering a dog called Andy. We don't
get to choose the names uh next weekend,
but he's actually just been adopted.
So, the process is the dogs arrive, you
get a range of they could be really
confident, they could be terrified. We
often don't know much about their
background. Some of them they might come
from straight from transports. We've had
some dogs come straight from Ireland or
Romania. The charity has uh arrangements
with kind of pounds in those places.
Sometimes they might come from a home if
the dogs having to be uh put up for
adoption for some reason or come from
another foster. Um, and what our job is
to settle them and build their
confidence, broaden their experiences
and get to know them to kind of build
their give them a dating profile so they
can be advertised saying this is the
dog, this is what they like, don't like,
the kind of home that would be good for
them, uh, to ultimately give them the
best chance of a successful forever
home. And um, whilst we care for these
dogs during the time, the ultimate goal
is to get them that perfect forever home
who are willing to work what with
whatever quirks they might have.
So, I do this with uh my partner Lamus
who's there in a yellow tie-dye top and
a cap um along with our dog Benji cat
jam jar. And we also have um friends who
kind of come around and help with kind
of getting socialized, neighbors who put
up with sometimes barking in the night.
And our dog training instructor
sometimes comes and shows us in five
minutes how to get a dog to sit that
we've been trying for 3 weeks.
So, this is Benji. Uh he's a bit over
six. He's our border terrier and he's
taught us a lot about different
behaviors and how to overcome some of
the challenges and he's really important
in our role in fostering because he acts
as a great emotional support dog.
So huge contribution to the cause.
Enthusiasm, it kind of depends on the
dogs. Sometimes he really loves them,
sometimes he's just kind of like you're
here. Um but he's plays that really big
role. Um,
and whilst he's a great emotional
support dog for dogs, he's not a great a
great emotional support dog for us. Um,
so he has a lot of dislikes and sensory
challenges. He doesn't like the wind. If
the door blows, we have to tell him he's
a brave boy. Um, he doesn't like being
touched in certain ways. Um, so we've
learned a lot from him that we've been
able to apply to foster dogs. Um, and
this was Benji meeting some of the dogs.
So, this is Olaf, who was a lovely but
very, very, very dim colleague. Uh, this
was Alfie, who I think basically adopted
Benji as his mom. And this was when we
had Alfie and Percy. Uh, and you can see
Benji kind of wincing at Percy, the foot
touching Percy. Um, and so then just
thinking about in a kind of meeting
aliens, what is that? who could be that
non-threatening person or dog or
creature uh to help build the confidence
in kind of that non-aggressive just kind
of taking time being their way. Um and
what Benji really helps is
build that confidence of what's okay for
the other dogs to encounter people it's
okay to encounter. So, even the dogs
where they don't have so much uh kind of
kind of playing with Benji, we found one
of our recent uh fosters when she got
adopted, Bonnie, Benji and her didn't
play that much. They're both older, not
so interested, but she's now more
nervous meeting other people outside
because she doesn't have Benji to kind
of give that sense check that, oh,
they're okay, take the treats.
Then we've got Jamar, our cat, who is
less keen on this whole fostering dogs
venture. Although when Alfie was old
enough to get neutered, she did seem to
notice the difference in hormones and
she started a bit of a power play with
him and blocking the stairs. Um, but
what she does in all of this is helping
um identify whether dogs can be home
successfully with cats and uh some so
some of our dogs have gone on to
successfully be with cats. One of them
confusingly with a cat called Benji.
So to give a bit of the narrative, I'll
talk about Percy and Alfie. So, I've
showed you Alfie already, and there was
a picture of Percy. They're actually
brothers from the same litter, we were
told. Um, but they don't look anything
alike. So, whether you can have uh dogs
from the same litter with different
fathers, um, maybe Alfie was a cuckoo in
the nest, maybe it was some experiment
like in twins. So, you've got Alfie who
was the kind of he looked like a small
German shepherd, more like Arnold
Schwarzenegger. Um, but he was terrified
of everything. And when we came to adopt
foster the puppies, we thought, "Oh,
puppies. We'll only have them a couple
of weeks. There'll be huge demand for
puppies. Everybody wants a puppy." Uh,
not realizing that it could take us over
a month to be able to touch the puppies
um just because they were so terrified.
Um, so Alfie with zero confidence, but
loved having another dog around. And
actually, part of his delay of getting
adopted is they needed to find the right
home for him who had a dog to help him
continue to build that confidence.
Whereas Percy was like a little long
Jack Russell. Had the terrier behaviors,
loved learning tricks, loved curling up
with the dogs he liked, hated all other
dogs, and would bark at them to let them
know that uh he was far more confident.
And so what we learned kind of like
Benji being that emotional support dog,
Percy would get used to things with
Benji, then Alfie would see that and
copy that. And that's how kind of we
gradually introduced everything. And um
yeah, it took a long time, but we got
there. And that was really rewarding.
And that is one of the really rewarding
things about dog fostering is just
seeing how far they come along. Each
time they learn something new, a lot of
the time they've never played before, so
they start picking up toys. Sometimes
you can tell they don't know what
they're doing. Um but that bit is really
rewarding. The puppies, as they were
puppies, they did some chewing. They did
some barking in the night and howling in
the night. We had quite a lot of
sleeping on the sofa to build that up.
Um, but that's all part of the process.
So, we've all got different ways of how
our brain works. Everybody's different
and being different is great, but it
brings challenges. Um, and what we've
learned with fostering dogs that I think
applies equally to people and would
apply also to aliens is some of the key
differences and understanding the
behavioral um, how behaviors come out
and what might be contributing to that.
Um, so we've got sensory overload with
Benji. he's got touch uh challenges. So,
we did something called the bucket game
that gave him control to help build up
that touch to help him be able to get
his vaccinations. Uh for the foster
dogs, everything is new. Uh so, we've
had ones where they're kind of doing
something normal and then you turn the
TV on and they're like, "Ooh, what's
that? Never experienced that before." We
had a dog who seemed like he was
perfectly confident in everything. We
tried to get him to go upstairs. No,
never done it. Didn't know what to do.
So, it's just that getting used to all
those new experiences and doing that in
a gradual way that helps them build the
confidence to do it. And for an alien,
it would be exactly the same unless
they've been studying us. But then, even
if they've been studying us, they might
have different expectations of how
things are. Um, so the whole process is
giving space, giving them some
predictability, giving them some control
to help manage all of these new
experiences with everything being so
overwhelming.
And then we've got the past experiences
influencing how they act. So that might
be negative experiences they've had or
just experiences they've never had. Um
so we had uh one dog Marvin who would
always stay by the door because he our
theory is he'd probably been abandoned.
So he wanted to stay by the door so he
knew it where we were and that we'd be
coming back for him. Uh we've had Bonnie
who was nervous of people holding
objects. So she's probably obviously had
some bad experiences and so just being
aware of that and then when introducing
new people making sure that they know
have your hands on show and just cool,
calm and collected.
And with the puppies, they just not had
any experiences. So with dogs, you've
got fear stages they they develop. So
before 8 weeks, they don't really have
much fear. So they kind of do everything
with excitement. Kind of like little
kids have got no fear of jumping off
things. They don't know what could go
wrong. Um, but if they don't get these
key experiences from ages 11 to 8 to 11
weeks and then they've got another fear
response that hits 6 to 14 months, they
just don't know what to do and the
automatic response is fear which might
come out in any different way. So, it's
just important to be curious and
adaptable to their needs.
And then um the third challenge being
communication. So, they speak a
different language, aliens would speak a
different language. uh some of the dogs
we've had come from different countries.
So even if they did know some keywords
like sit, it's going to be different. Um
and you've also got the
challenges of stuff like eye contact. So
for humans standard is eye contact is
good for showing respect and
conversation, but it doesn't make
everybody feel comfortable. For dogs,
it's a sign of aggression. For cats,
when we first got our cat, we had to do
a lot of slow blinking to help build her
trust. Uh, so it's all just knowing that
everything's going to be different. Just
go with it. Um, if you can have a
translator, great, but that's not always
going to be possible. Um, so just going
with that kind of what's those universal
languages of positive reinforcement and
treats.
Um, and that's the other challenge of
with that communication is how you
signal things that you can't communicate
otherwise. So how do you signal that I'm
going out, but I'm going to come back.
I'm not leaving you forever. Um, so
that's what we think about how we kind
of set up our home in a safe space for
the dogs.
So, just going on to
with all of this overload and
everything, the fear responses. So, our
experience with dogs is that they're
just like humans. You've got fight,
flight, or freeze. And so, I'm going to
assume aliens would probably be the
same, might be different, but there's
going to be some overlaps. Um, and in
dogs, the fight can show up as
aggression or it can also show up as
destruction. Um, so you have different
ones from different dogs. Percy, who was
a little terrier, he was actually scared
of other dogs, but he would because he
was scared before even meeting them,
he'd bark at them quite aggressively.
And then if you've got an a dog who is
also either scared or aggressive,
they're going to bark back and it can
escalate. Um, but behaviors like
growling and lunging, uh, chewing
things, they're all kind of stress
responses. Um, obviously some things are
okay to chew, but if you've kind of gone
out the room and they've destroyed
something, it's probably they're
stressed and a little bit overwhelmed.
Alfie would choose freeze. And by this
it would be every walk, every little
step we take, any noise, he'd freeze
down on the ground. We'd just have to
stand and wait. And
for healthy, it was consistently freeze
until there was a number of motorbikes
went past. And if he wasn't on the lead,
he'd have run for as long and as far and
as quick as he could.
Um, Jam Jarata also chooses flight. If
she doesn't like something, she will
run. Recently, we had something fell off
a shelf. Uh, she was sat on Lameus. She
freaked out. Claws everywhere in Lameus.
She had to protect herself from the
unknown but ultimately not aggressive
attack. Um,
yeah. So then understanding the how they
might respond
just thinking also that everybody's
behaviors have evolved for a different
world than we currently live in. So for
us we get more information in a day than
500 years ago people get in a lifetime.
So people it's just a lot. We all have
to it's all different. We're having to
adapt to an ever changing world. And for
dogs
are domesticated which means they need
humans to survive. They most dogs would
not survive out especially in this
country out on their own being able to
get food. Whereas that's the difference
between cats and dogs. Cats are only
semi-domemesticated. They can dam
despite her auntie hunting collar will
still get the occasional uh pigeon which
seems to line up with when we go to the
vets and they tell her she needs to go
on a diet and we try and reduce the
food.
Um, but dogs have been engineered by
humans to have certain traits for
certain working practices. And probably
only in like the last 50 years, those
things have changed. But it means traits
that were bred in for certain reasons
are there and they can be quite annoying
in the home. Uh, so colleies, they're
bright, energetic, eager to please.
They're desperate for you to tell them
what to do next because that's what
they're bred for. Uh, shepherds are
loyal and independent, also known as
stubborn. So teaching a a dog with
shepherd uh characteristics in it can be
quite hard of just why would I sit? Um
and then terriers, that's what I've
always grown up with. Terriers. It's
what I'm used to. Uh they're energetic,
they're feisty, they have a prey drive
like Benji will chase the rat in the
garden. He's never successfully got it.
Uh they often dig uh because they're
bred to go down in holes. Have a really
high-pitched yappy bark so you can hear
them from above ground when they're
below ground. But these things are
annoying in the house. And so it's just
being aware of what these traits are and
trying to think how to manage adapt our
behaviors around them because of humans
did this. They made these dogs these
ways. We can't just suddenly expect all
of these instincts to go away. Um and
with aliens, you'd have something
similar of just what environment did
they evolve for? We can't force them to
adapt to our environment if they're
nocturnal, anything. We don't know. It's
just being open, non-judgmental,
and working and slowly adapting uh to
meet them. You got to kind of meet
closer to where they are or somewhere in
between rather than just being like this
is my house. This is how it is.
So once you kind of understand all of
this stuff about the what impacts
behaviors and responses, it's all about
building trust. So this is the gorgeous
pen who is a dream in the house, but
outside everything is over stimulation.
He's they think a collie cross pointer.
and he's been and he's been with
Heland's for over four years being in
and out of different fosterers. Bless
him. But he is he's really gorgeous and
he obviously trusts people. Uh this is I
was walking him and he just he just
loves a cuddle. Um but because of how he
is out on walks, he's quite challenging
to walk because of just everything's
excitement.
Uh so the way we go about uh building
trust is creating a safe space. So for
us, we've kind of don't know that much
about fenu. I read a book. I found it
interesting. Uh talking about energy
flows and something about having a
mountain behind you so you feel enclosed
and being able to see the entrance and
exits routes, which is kind of part of
kind of just self-preservation of
knowing where a predator could come from
at any point. Um so thinking about this,
when you go to a restaurant, you might
choose a seat that's kind of nicely in a
corner. You can see the door. you're not
going to be by the toilets where people
are walking past all the time because if
you're in a safe secure space
and so that's kind of giving the kind of
the right funue of the setup for the
dogs and then noise. So you've got if
something's too noisy that can be a
challenge but also if it's too quiet
that can also be a challenge because
then they can hear the bird tweeting
outside somewhere because of dogs have
so much better hearing than us. Aliens
probably have better hearing than our
sight. all of this stuff about how to
try and limit the the distractions. So,
we always find classic FM or a bit of
Enya playing for the dogs is a a good
shout. That's why Classic FM will always
do uh uh they do a special radio show on
bonfire night uh just for the animals.
Uh then in terms of the safe space, it's
about creating clear boundaries so they
know what they can and can't do because
it's it's not about being mean, it's
about being clear. We can't expect them
like they chew one thing that we don't
care about and we laugh and think, "Oh,
that's cute. That's funny." But then
maybe that was like a a smelly slipper,
but then they get a prized trainer and
then you tell them off. That's not fair.
So, it's all about being consistent so
they know what they can and can't do.
And setting them up so that it will be
right as well for the forever home that
they get. So, this is why with fostering
dogs often we don't let them on the sofa
because they may go to a home where
they're not allowed on the sofa. Um and
so trying to don't know why people do we
have dogs everywhere but yeah just about
giving them the best chance of success
so they know what they can do and then
it's about giving them a sense of
control. So giving them a part of that
they have control of that you don't
enter that they can observe from. So
with the puppies they had a crate set up
under the kitchen table. It was
surrounded by all sides so they felt
safe. We wouldn't go to it but they
would come to us and they gradually
built up over time. They then did make
it to the sofa and because of it was the
only way for us to be able to touch
them, we let them on the sofa and they
gradually went from one end to actually
uh being closer to us and touching.
Um so just thinking about for alien
contact, what would that safe space be?
It's probably not going to be a brightly
lit science lab. That's not anywhere
anybody wants to go to relax in.
So crates are a safe space for dogs. I
know not some people think crates are
mean, but our experience with the dogs
is it gives them their own space that
they feel secure in. They know what's
there. They know it's it's theirs. So,
here we've got in the
top left uh that's Marvin who had just
arrived off transport straight away
chose to go in this crate. Jamja
sometimes likes to take Benji's crate.
Maybe it's a power play. Sometimes she
gets zooies when she goes in there. One
time she got a bit overexited and had a
poo. Uh, Penn gets really over excited
and the crate is a good space for him to
go to calm down. So, he's run around,
you can put him in the crate, he's going
to calm down, get a good nap,
everything's better. Uh, with Benji, he
goes in the crate when there's a noise
that he doesn't like. So, if it's a safe
space for him, so the fireworks, if it's
too windy, anything that he's getting
grumpy about, he can go in the crate,
calm down, and rest.
Um, the puppies chose to go that in the
bottom left, that's Percy and Alfie.
They went in, they just chose to go in
Benji's crate. The middle picture is
Benji had hurt his foot and so we needed
him to be in the crate to be able to rec
rest and recover and then the puppies
could lay by him and to be there. And
you can see Alfie found another use for
the crate of making it closer to the
sofa and being by us. Um, but it's also
really important for the safety of the
pets, uh, both other pets in the house.
So, for example, we always make sure
that the dogs are in the crate when jam
jar is going past when we don't know
what they're like. Um,
when you leave the house, keeping them
in a crate, it means they're going to be
safe and protected from anything they
might destroy. It's a really good step
if there's a dog with separation
anxiety. You put them in the crate. They
get used to being in the crate. You go
out of the room for a few minutes and
you gradually build up so that they're
then confident that they know you will
always come back to them. They're not
going to get lo left and be destructive
in that time.
Also, some of the maturers. Uh, Olaf, if
he yawned, your foot would be in his
mouth. He just had a thing about
everything got chewed. Uh, and Benji's
bed is also a safe space for all of the
foster dogs and jam jar that we've had.
And it seems to be a versatile size that
fits fits all. Um, it is also in that
kind of corner placement. Good fenue
whilst they can also see us.
Then building on from the giving them
safe space to ex um build their trust.
Um it's about expanding their horizons.
So we've got positive reinforcement. You
can train a dog either positively or
negatively, but it's the positive that
will build trust rather than you see
some incredibly well- behaved dogs, but
that's fe that can be fear rather than
uh trust. And don't we all want to have
the trust and the friendship? So we use
happy voices, happy tones, cuz that's
where there's a a language barrier. You
can get a lot by the tone. Um, we use
lots of rewards, treats, toys, bad
behaviors.
We try and ignore them where possible if
it's something minor, but if it's
something you don't want them doing
doing, just a quick huh and that kind of
they're like, "Oo, I don't like that."
And they won't do it again. And that's
and it's just being consistent. Um, but
ultimately focusing on the good.
Um, then gradually introducing new
experiences. So, like I said, it was a
month before we could touch the puppies.
We thought once we could touch them, we
could get a harness on them and take
them for a walk instantly. That was a an
error on our part. And uh actually Al
Alfie did release Percy from the the new
harness that had just been attached to
him. Um but that was in the house. Um
cuz of Alfie would freeze. So this is
Alfie's very regular on a walk, just lay
down, hide in a bush for a little bit
and then keep going. So that's what we
did. We just gradually introduced did
the same walk over and over again. when
he freeze, we just wait and then go on
again. And so that's why we did a lot
about building routines. So doing the
same walk, he knew what to expect. He
would get really excited at the end of
our street because of the crossing. Um
when the crossing light went, it meant
he'd be in the woods and it's much less
scary for him in the woods than where
the roads and the noise and the
motorbikes are. And over time, he would
freeze much less and less. And now he
can be with his home. He can be let off
lead and he's very happy. Um, and then
we introduced new places. So, our
favorite place for going is the pub
because we've got a couple of pubs that
are really dog friendly and people there
know to kind of be gentle with the dogs,
let them sniff them and build up that
confidence. And with Benji, uh, Benji
helps kind of Benji will take a treat
off somebody and then uh, the foster dog
will realize, okay, that's okay. Build
up the experiences. And it's all just
gradually doing it their pace, building
the experiences.
So in summary, the the steps to
successful alien contact. So first off
is focused on building trust by having
the right support team. Uh so who would
be that emotional support dog in the
setting? Who could be maybe it is an
emotional support dog, but who would be
that friendly, calming um face for the
dog, for dog, alien, cat, you name it.
Secondly, be curious about their
behaviors. Don't observe them before
making any actions and judging. And the
golden rule of communication is not um
is not treating people how you would
like to be treated, but how they would
like to be treated because everybody's
different on what they like. Um some
people like touch, some people don't.
Everyone's different. Uh thirdly, uh
provide a safe space. So give them that
safe space, respect their boundaries,
and enable them to build their
confidence that way. and finally
gradually introduce their experiences
giving lots and lots of rewards. So, I'm
just going to finish with where are they
now? So, we've been lucky though all of
the dogs we've fostered have gone to
really lovely homes. That's not always
the case. Sometimes dogs do get returned
where it's not been a good match. Um,
this is why it's important to have that
kind of good profile. The process of
them getting adopted is uh the charity
screens whoever's interested uh does a
video check of their house. Olaf's
family did get told they had to do a big
declutter before uh he could be adopted
there partly because of his destruction.
Um and then the family come and uh visit
us and see
how they get on, if they have another
dog, how that dog gets on uh with the
foster pet dog. Um and yeah, we've been
lucky so far. Everybody's there. But
that's also where we would then assess
if we didn't have any if we had some bad
feelings about it, we would let the
charity know and they would take that
into mind. So Percy, we had him for what
seemed at the after a while only a short
2 and a half months. Um, and he moved to
a lovely home in Elely and he has a bed
in every room including the bathroom.
All of the dogs seem to go on to better
living circumstances than uh bigger
houses than we have. Then you've got
Alfie. So after 5 and a half months, he
went to a family in St. Alburn's and
he's got a big sister, Lola, who also
came from Heathlland's. Uh, so she's
actually 12, but plays with him like a
puppy and gives that gives him all that
extra support and building his uh,
confidence. And um, you'll be pleased to
know Alfie successfully got rid of their
rule of no dogs on the sofa. Um, and
this summer he's moving into a fancy
barn conversion with 2 acres of land. So
very good for Alfie. Um, whereas Penn
unfortunately is still looking for his
forever home. um that he's with a very
loving foster who I do wonder if they
may adopt because of uh he's been with
this foster now for a few months and
we've we've done quite a lot of holiday
cover for him. Um and he's finally got
the mastiff brother to start playing
with him and he's having a great time.
So, thank you for listening. If you are
interested in animal fostering or
adoption, uh look at any local animal
charities near you. Um they're always
looking for good homes. Sometimes
they're also looking for people to do
dog walking during the day if you want
more kind of animal experiences but have
limitations. And if you have any
questions or would you like to see more
pictures or show me pictures of your
pets, um, I'll be in the Q&A tent
afterwards. Thank you very much.