The Fitness Expert: EXACTLY How To TRANSFORM Your Body In 30 Days! | Jesse James West

now in terms of Fitness I'm curious for people that want to get started where do they begin I think the biggest thing is taking action to get in motion if you don't have motivation it's like just step one get up so training with some of the best coaches the best bodybuilders what's a Common Thread you see amongst all of them honestly I think it's like the passion I relate to that heavily because I push myself very hard because I enjoy it and I have passion in everything I'm doing luckily I've constructed my life to be able to do things that I enjoy go go go go go go I got this and I think when you're really passionate about something and then you combine that with hard work it's like the golden Duo that's where real success can [Music] come what about liver King's challenge I'm curious was that the hardest thing you've done in like your entire life physically speaking it's basically off-roading with this weighted sled this freaking guy man what's a question you wish more people would ask you but I think we all should ask people this stuff which is like how are you really doing and not just questions to just like talk so you're seriously going to quit YouTube [Music] Jesse thank you so much for coming on the iced coffee hour we really appreciate it thank you I'm just missing my iced coffee we can just imagine for a second we asked you if you wanted some I know I know had way too much caffeine already really yes how many milligrams of caffeine do you take a day I have a coffee in the morning I have an energy drink for sure and then hopefully not a second coffee so I would say three to 400 milligrams if I'm traveling I have a rule where just I don't count the milligrams that's not awful I mean one venty drip coffee from Starbucks has 400 what size is venty I just say me small think it's 20 something 20 o ounces that's terrifying it is very terrifying well thank you for letting us into your beautiful home you're letting us use your lights everything cables this is great I'll Billy after it's all good beautiful send it to him so one thing that you're very great at is pushing yourself past your limits you've done this on Plenty of different challenges on your channel why do you think most people don't push themselves to the limits and how can they find their limit I think finding your limit comes from other people pushing you around you like obviously you can push yourself so hard but when I surround myself with someone who let's say they train harder than me you know I've trained with Mr olympias I've trained with exercise scientists I've trained with coaches of Mr Olympia like literally seab bum's coach I've trained with him and I've pushed myself so hard to a certain degree but then you train with somebody that trains way harder than you and you and it opens up like a new realm in your brain you're like wow I was not going as hard as I could and I played Sports my whole life so for me pushing myself always one it comes from my dad he always pushed the hell out of me for for sports and then two you know you got coaches that were always pushing you to be a better player on the field and I feel like being surrounded by people that want the best from you really instilled from a young age for me to build those habits of pushing myself now I kind of can do it I I do do it on my own I don't really need someone to push me like I it's just habit and habitual do you do it every workout how often do you like find that zone I would say I mean almost let's say 95% of my workouts are definitely training really really hard and then also just my brain is kind of wired to be like all or nothing like I'm very black and white so it's either go to like Ultimate Death on a set or like go to Ultimate Death and trying to grow the YouTube channel or don't do it yeah one thing I heard from you that I really liked is that when most people get to their limit where they think they have nothing left they actually 40% more left that I thought was very interesting yeah so I was getting trained by these Navy Seals during college and they said that to me and they said it to the whole team and I'll never forget that it's something that I think we all need to think about I still have to remind myself like we have more in the tank and you know when it's when it's something that you want to happen like say you want to be a successful entrepreneur it's like when you're working really hard in long hours and you're and you're and you're tapped out for the day you know you probably have a little bit more in the tank that you can get out of the day and same Sports same with weightlifting you know you're pushing yourself you think you're done but you really do have more in the tank and it's a good reminder to always remember and just tell yourself like what if I have 40% more and then try to do that so training with some of the best coaches the best athletes the best bodybuilders powerlifters what's a Common Thread you see amongst all of them honestly I think it's like the passion I I think they're all doing it out of passion for whatever sport or industry they're they're in and I relate to that heavily because what pushes me besides my habits of you know being pushed by others and forming discipline over years all drives from Passion you know like I push myself very hard because I enjoy it and I have passion in everything I'm doing and I think that that's what I find as a very common characteristic in a lot of successful people that I've gotten to know with filmed with trained with is like they love training they love coaching they love their sport or whatever it might be you know whether it's an Olympic athlete that I've trained with you know or it's Chris Bumstead or ERS cisinski or Ramon Dino those are the top three bodybuilders in classic physique or were [ __ ] obviously retired but they all is he actually retired yeah I mean I maybe maybe he comes out of the out of the Woodworks not re be a marketing employee you know I'm retired but then he comes back I didn't Tom Brady retire like several times a lot of a lot of bodybuilders will retire and then like four years later come back just cuz they love it and like that's the same thing it's all passion you know and I think when you're really passionate about something and then you combine that with hard work it's like the golden Duo of just that's where that's where real success can come yeah so how does the average person know if they are pushing themselves hard enough in the gym I think you got to find someone at the gym whether it's a stranger or you know a friend that train that you can see they clearly go hard know what they're doing know more than me and either try to train with them or just be like I see it you know if you can visually see someone pushing them themselves that hard I don't know put your phone down film yourself are you going that hard and that's a really good way to judge kind of like how hard you are going I think people don't realize cuz a lot of a lot of training nowadays is there's a lot it's it's more of like a niche terminology of like R reps and Reserve or RP rate of perceived exertion it means how hard am I pushing myself out of a 10 if it's a nine that means I have one rep left in the tank and I think a lot of people train like this thinking oh they're like I I have one more that's where I'm supposed to stop but in reality they probably could have pumped out three more they just think they're at that like 90 percentile how much of a difference does it make getting those last few sets cuz I heard maybe this is just a myth that most of the muscle growth comes from like those last few sets I I I don't want to say anything in like be quoted because I'm not a scientist but from my personal experience I have seen the best result on the last few reps and really grinding out till failure like that 10th rep you cannot get 11th even if a a gun is held to your head that's that's full failure I don't think you need to do everything like that but I think there's a few times in a workout that you should push yourself that hard and that's going to tell you how hard you're actually going you know if you're failing on on rep 10 and you cannot get rep 11 well now you know where your Baseline is but if you're putting the weight down and thinking to yourself oh I I have one I probably had one more you know did did you though or did you have two or three you do a lot of challenges on your channel I love watching them thank you what was the hardest challenge you've done I'll give you two cuz I've given one on another podcast but I want to give you a different answer first one the hardest one to finish was the liver King the second episode I did with him he had me do this Barbarian you drag 400 lbs a mile through like sand rock dirt and grass horrible experience we'll never do that again thankfully um second to that would probably be the marathon I think it wasn't as hard in terms of physically like my body wasn't shutting down the way it was because it wasn't 110 degrees it was 110 degrees with liver King so I was having heat Strokes but with the marathon it was a it was a new challenge that I have not felt before I'm not I I've ran all my all my life in sports like you know get on the line and do Sprints or you know jog to get better stamina but doing an actual marathon 26.2 miles my legs never burned so much in my entire life when I finished so I finished I dropped to the ground and then I was limping for like a week like like my hip I could not lift my leg like picking my leg up just to walk I was just dragging my leg for like a week so that was a that was like that was a new type of hard and that was really that gave me a lot of respect for runners for knowing and I mean that's why a lot of Runners are not built the way I am you know they're they're maybe more slender thin because when I pick up my legs there's an extra 15 PBS each step vers if I was 20 lbs lighter 30 lbs lighter of course I'm going to be running a little quicker with you know skinnier legs yeah what about liver King's challenge I'm curious about that that was was that the hardest thing you've done in like your entire life physically speaking Yeah Yeah like that is number one he no he watched he watched yeah he watched so how did that make you feel that make it harder or something I was just like this freaking guy man like but has he he's done it though in the heat though that was the yeah but this one so he's done the Barbarian which is just on this straight gravel path like a like a pavement so metal on pavement slides decently easy but this is called the Barbarian Crucible it's like a challenge that he made it's basically off-roading with this this weighted sled kettle bells in your hand stuff around weights on your ankles and a backpack with 70 pounds is like 400 lbs total and you're just dragging this through sand so when you picture sand you know running in sand is more difficult because it kind of has that give it's the same thing when I'm walking it's giving on my feet and then it's also building up behind me on the sled in front of the sled like you know it's sliding the Sand's just piling so there's like maybe another 30 40 lbs of resistance just to the sled not he wanted Jack and I to do that but with but with the same weight and I was trying to tell him there's no way I could lift the same weight as Jack just just from a body mass standpoint it doesn't make sense that I should be you know taking 400 lb the same as you taking 400 lb yeah it it it so he invited you yes yeah yeah he he wanted to get a bunch of crators on it and a lot of people said no a lot of it scared a lot of people so when I was doing it I was having a heat stroke every like 30 minutes by the end of it and what do you mean heat like what ises that so um it's 113° outside but I'm freezing cold and my sweat is just completely white like I have like uh like you know you in the ocean you come out and you're dry and you have like white stuff on your clothes or something or your hat it was the exact same thing but on my entire body like you could literally like scratch off salt salt cuz my body just let out all the electrolytes so I'm on the ground I'm freezing but it's 113° out I'm kind of like not sweating anymore and I'm they're just pouring water on my body just to keep me like at a normal temperature and I remember telling them I was like I can't do this like I'm I'm I'm out like and I never I don't quit I haven't I've never quit a challenge in my life and now I have still not because I completed this but they were like you are not done CU they knew if I didn't finish it not a single person was going to do it cuz I'm like the fit guy you know if if Jesse can't complete it you guys are definitely not going to say yes to it all the other YouTubers that you know are like Runners are not going to like cuz it's like it's heavy you know it's lifting it's like you have to be really strong to do this and I think ER Eric Decker ER uh he did it he completed it in a in a time that I was like did they make this this easier because it was after me I think they realized we have to make it easier and they made it easier because Eric was like take that Jesse James West like I got a better time he got a better time than there's no I mean he's pretty fit he's fit but like it it was it was like probably 90 degrees Maybe 80 instead of you know 113 which makes all the difference how are you always so fired up but you know what before we go into that you have to ask yourself the question what does the future hold for business because these days everything changes so quickly if you ask nine different experts you're going to get 10 different answers be really helpful to have a crystal ball but until that happens over 40,000 businesses have already future proofed their business by switching to netsuite by Oracle the number one Cloud Erp bringing accounting 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always so fired up I think I just I've always had a lot of energy like my parents said to me how when I was a kid I was a pain in the butt because I I I was like like I tell my parents how my dog as is as a puppy and I'm like he's crazy he's running around on the couch not listening and they're like hm I wonder what that was like and I was like what was I like that they're like yeah so I've always had a lot of energy and then also luckily I've you know constructed my life to be able to do things that I enjoy so I I thoroughly enjoy like I'm mean I enjoy talking I enjoy filming like I love filming so it kind of gives me that energy I'm definitely an extrovert so when I'm out in public and filming and stuff like I have a harder time filming alone than filming in public and around people or with strangers it just like feels weird um but I'd say you know it stems from Passion like I said in the past uh about other people that are like successful in things so I think it really is just I love what I do I want to keep doing it and I and I have an a drive to keep going so like when you guys ask me to do a podcast I'm like hell yeah you know like come over let's do it that's interesting I I thought you were going to say like caffeine or something or because I'm so fit I probably have so much more energy that I can dispose of find interesting is you craft your world around you of things that you want to be doing all the time so it's like easy to stay fired up few things you don't want to do yeah that's I mean because I I've I've lived a life in the past when I played lacrosse in college and I lived that life of doing things that I didn't want to do and you know I've always been the happy smiley guy like that's something I feel like that will always be a part of me but that passion energy it's like a different energy there's like regular energy and there's like passion excitement energy I didn't really have that when I was playing sports in the later years of playing sports in the beginning I definitely did but by 18 19 20 why do you think that was so I've noticed this about myself that since I was a kid I would get really good at whatever said thing was so it started with it used to be skateboarding as a kid and I would get really good and everyone's like dude this kid like maybe he'll be Pro one day I'm like eight I get to a point of okay I'm I'm 80% there to being like unreal and like really really good but to get that 20% more cost me 50% more energy or something than what I'm currently doing and it's kind of always been like a ratio of do I really want to put in that 50% more to get that 20% uh in in getting better at something so I the same thing happen with lacrosse I was committed from the age of 15 to play Division One lacrosse on like a 260,000 scholarship to Lehi University like 15 years old I'm I'm verbally committed to a university I I can they back out of that if they wanted to they could but it was kind of like I'd have to mess up and get in trouble basically but it would be it' be pretty like messed up or if their coaching staff changed sure but I took lacrosse to the level where I was top I was top 120 in the country and I was number 37 at my position so like out of all the attackman I was ranked 37 in my grade and and so I got I got to like the the 99th percentile like even less 99.9 percentile of the sport you know it's very there's only a hundred of us up here and for me to take it to the next level I would have to basically you know put in that 50 more percent uh or sacrifice 50% of my well-being life whatever my social life whatever it might be just to get that that small gain and I was like you know I don't really I don't really want to have to do that extra 50% effort for that little gain anymore and then it leads me into the next Journey which is like YouTube yeah so one of my one of my not fears but like I'm very aware that I will probably approach one day that 99 percentile of YouTube and then it's going to have to be a choice of do I put that big chunk of effort in to get even into the next realm or am I going to go find the next thing and I'm always leveling up like you know skateboarding just as for fun at that point lross gets me into college College I start doing YouTube now I have you know a beautiful home gym a house like all these amazing things I have a team of employees you know it's like it's a real job and it's and I'm doing very well at it so it's like when when will that sort of feel almost when will I hit that 99 percentile with this and good thing YouTube's hard so that way that that 99 percentile is quite High you know I'm not really there yet maybe I'm at 80 right now but there's such a like I mean you could compare me to Mr be and say you're at 50 but in reality you know I'm at like the 80th percentile of a big YouTuber so getting that 99 I'm willing to put that work in right now but then when I get there you know am I willing to go that little bit more so you could see yourself quitting YouTube I don't think i' it's hard to say I would never say I like I never I I don't look at lacrosse and say oh I quit lacrosse like technically yeah I had to quit the team and drop out of college to pursue YouTube but I always look at things as like milestones and then once that mission is complete at least like to my liking it's the what's the next mission I'm going to go on so I'm sure there'll be a day that and I I feel like almost everyone has this day where they're like I'm no longer gonna either put in the same effort that I did once once before or I don't want to do it anymore I don't know I don't know what term I'd use at that point I feel like you know what I'd call it graduating one day one day I'll graduate YouTube if you look at someone like Logan Paul and Jake Paul yes they still post on YouTube but do you consider them YouTubers not really they're like mainstream entertainers so my goal would be to I'll never stop posting I'm sure I'll always post at least a little bit like in five years you know I'll still drop a video here and there something would really have to change my brain for me to literally quit but I think it'll be more of uh you know Jesse has a series on Netflix doing these things that you know like maybe it's a a series show or something not like a scripted show where I'm acting I mean you never know but like yeah you know I do a lot of crazy things with really cool cultures and people and I think it'd be really cool to do like a Netflix show of that it sounds kind of like Graham actually he doing back I've scaled back so much over the last year and a half two years to the point where I kind of felt like I did everything I wanted to do I said everything I wanted to say the podcast though gives me the same feeling as I did on my main Channel see we don't know if that's an upgrade or a downgrade technically speaking main channel is podcast technically Dow but in terms of enjoyment I enjoy this 10 times more I mean that's the thing though you have to enjoy I think here's what my answer will be the day I stop doing what I'm doing to this capacity is one someone killed me uh two um two I just I'm not excited anymore about it and I found something that that excites me more what that is I have literally no idea but I still I I would say I have a good few more years of of just continuously like going the hard part with the a lot of channels seems like Their audience grows up and it's really hard to grow up with the audience yeah that seems to be the biggest challenge yeah I can see that I definitely try to keep in mind as I grow like as my interest changed as I'm 24 about to be 25 you know when I was 20 in 21 2021 I was 21 years old you know I was making videos everything was about girls hot girl this with girls like this does size matter and I'm like I [ __ ] cringe at that like I'm like are they still up oh yeah all of them I mean they were like some my they're still some of my top viewed videos you know like asking girls on the on the beach XYZ I had I had a lot of fun filming them because it's just like you just run around the beach and dick around it's hilarious but you know I'm in a healthy relationship I'm getting married this year it's like you can't do those things anymore at a certain point it's like got to stop and you know that was good to gather whatever let's say 16 17 year olds were all clicking and watching that so four years ago now they're like 1920 so my my content has matured as I don't do that anymore so naturally with me maturing I feel like I can bring my audience to grow with me so in three years you know I'm gonna more than likely have at least a kid maybe two I have literally no idea but you know my content I think that's why you have to allow your content to shapeshift over time and not be too locked into one thing where you can kind of take your audience like I used to Vlog I don't Vlog anymore maybe that'll come back when I'm a dad you know what I mean like not that I have no intention of being like a dad vlogger but there might be more stuff about my life literally than viral videos and yeah maybe that'll get half the amount of views you know my fans will still be there they'll still be supporting me which is what really matters at the end of the day but I'm sure that the the scope of my channel will look very different in five years than it does now because four years ago I was a complete different Creator yeah now in terms of Fitness I'm curious for people that want to get started where do they begin is it weights first or Diet first I would say like the most important factor of Fitness is Diet over actually working out you could work out all you want but if you eat like trash you're not going to see any results you could go on the treadmill for four hours a day but if you're going to go down uh Mountain Dew a 2 L Mountain Dew and and pizza like it literally did nothing it's all about you know how many calories you're having so I'd say getting your diet in check is most important because that's going to give the most immediate result of your body's going to either shed fat or gain fat basically based on what you're eating and then when you're implementing weight training you know running mountain climbing biking whatever exercise you choose to do that's like the additional positive to your body what diets have you found are the most effective the best diet for me personally that I've recently discovered is eliminating as much processed food as possible and it's kind of like the whole 2025 realm like you see RFK wanting seed oil stuff yeah yeah the seed oils are bad I try to avoid them uh to degree you know like it's in it's in so many snacks it's like you kind of screwed either either way but you should I don't I definitely would never cook with a seed oil I only use like avocado oil so if that's wrong sorry sue me don't sue me but tell me what to do um but I would say Whole Foods you know plain Rices plain Meats with some seasoning and some salt and pepper something like that you know your classic veggies I do a lot of potatoes recently so for years I always avoided pasta and potatoes because it was very carb heavy and then recently I found that you know meat potato maybe a veggie solid that's all I need literally like I people make fun of me they like made fun of me once because I they were like you eat like you're broke and because I'll like my my breakfast is just like two eggs little bit of oats and then later on it's just like rice meat like I don't really do anything luxurious I mean not not that you need to but it's just basic necessity foods like if you were a caveman you know you're going to need meat the nuts that you find it's like paleo kind yeah it's like just raw ingredient like if it has one ingredient or like three ingredients that's great you know when the list gets massively long I avoid it I avoid the the dyes you know and just trying to eat very like literally what you think is healthy just I think that clean food and differ have you noticed is it physique differences energy differences I would say I'd say it's all physique I think I can eat more calories and stay leaner maybe it's just like less inflammation or something but they're my my metabolism definitely sped up a little bit once I started cutting out all the BS like I think if you can just have the basic one ingredient simple Whole Foods your body will look better even if you're eating the same amount of calories because of inflammation because of just digestion it's going to digest better cuz it's proper food there's no BS in it and I feel that with that you'll probably feel better too what are your thoughts on diet sodas I mean I I don't have any problem with it I've seen a lot of science-based people say how there's literally no problem and no long-term effects through studies is it is it better than water no you know if you're gonna like you know it's the same thing as a protein shake and a steak you know one they're both going to get you that your protein one's just a little more processed one's been you know put through a machine Ma so I think if you can cut those things out to a degree if you're having Diet Coke three times a day you probably need to cut it down to one but if you have Diet Coke you know every other day I don't think it's gonna affect you like it's GNA dilute so much how important are genetics in bodybuilding and getting a good physique everything literally everything everything no not to discourage people in terms of bodybuilding like getting on stage everything in terms of getting a good physique getting a good physique you can you can really push your boundaries with any genetics you know some people will have genetics to hold more body fat and and some will be skinnier like I'm someone that probably is supposed to be 170 pounds pretty skinny you know or pretty slender and not too beefy like my dad's probably 170 PBS I probably would be the exact same build and like my fiance and her family they could eat whatever they want and they are shred her brother is so shredded tries to eat 5,000 calories just goes right through them so it's like those genetics do matter you know like you can be way more shredded just naturally or whole body fat and also your muscle insertion so like when you see ABS you look at my abs it's very like one two 3 four five six and then I have like obliques on the side and then there's some people that have one two three four and there is no six there is no five six that just does not exist on their body you cannot change that at all you if you have four blocks of ABS you cannot get six I hear there's also something with like the a common one is your bicep muscle insertion like for a lot of the shorter people it's a lot easier to build that Peak because yeah I mean if you're if you're a shorter person you can you can put on five pounds and the percentage of body mass index going up like like the percentage of your actual weight is if you put on five pounds and you're you know five five but you put on five pounds and you're 65 you won't even see the 5bs on the tall guy cuz it's so out right and that's like that's why I think I have a I have a very good height for bodybuilding you know I'm not too tall not too short so it's like 510 average height can build muscle fairly easy will fill out easy but if you're like 5'5 you can you can probably get [ __ ] dude 510 is average height yeah that's average there's no way that how tall are you 53 really yeah youer than I thought you'd be thank you yeah I knew I knew you're height from like online but I figure like a lot of people they always embellish it you know I you know what's funny I feel like I'm the opposite I I don't do anything to try to look much bigger than I am like I like I I've I've taken thumbnails photos Instagram pictures of people you know maybe I'll do a few push-ups for a quick pump if it's cold 90% of the time I I'm like I don't really care just whatever I look like I'm just going to take a photo like but some people will they want to pump up they want to look perfect they only take photos on one side and I'm like dude it ain't that serious like no one gives a [ __ ] that much and that's why I feel like people will go up to them and be like Oh I thought you were bigger but and not to toot my own horn but people come up to me and they go you're a lot bigger in person like muscular wise they're like I thought you were smaller one I used to film with a 16 mm lens everything in the center is smaller so I looked smaller for years and then I started using like the 24 mm like an abnormal looking one and people comment they're like dude you got so much bigger and I'm like not I've always been this size it's just I use the wideangle lens what do you say to people that claim that they're just big boned and they can't lose weight you can be a heavier person like I don't think someone's really big boned like I don't think your your bones can be bigger and you'll weigh more because you got density but I think that's almost something that someone can hide behind and and the truth is like maybe they just have bad genetics and that's what they're they've just been told their whole lives no you're big boned you're big boned so I sympathize like I I'm I never someone that's gonna be like get your [ __ ] together you know stop being fat like I'm never gonna say that so if you do feel like that describes you I think you know taking small small steps to try to get some victories and losing weight and just getting on track and just see where your body takes you don't have too much pressure on yourself to just lose all your weight it takes time it takes practice it takes you know sometimes sometimes people really do cut out their calories and they just do not lose weight so there are so many instances in that case I think finding someone that's been in that position before or is in that position and is changing and trying to find their guidance I'm not the right person for that you know like you can't come to me and say what do I do it's like I could tell you it worked for someone with my body type I could tell you it worked in some in some people that I've helped transform but I cannot help you if it's a scenario that I've never helped anyone with I'm not going to give you some BS answer be like yo just cut your calories because maybe that's not it maybe your thyroid is a problem I would honestly say go get blood work done that'd be my first thing I said blood work and any health tests you can get to see if you actually have problems losing weight how important is good form I good form isn't just important for building muscle I'd say good form is important so you don't get hurt and then prevent yourself from making progress I see a lot of people will you know they start working out or they're new to the gym or you know they've always lifted but the form is so bad that it puts their joints and tendons and Shoulders Knees hips into bad positions and the problem with that is is if you blow your shoulder out you know you got six months if you tear a rotator cuff like surgery and and nine months of recovery and a lot of people do this stuff and they tear things because they don't know what they're doing and that doesn't just oh I'm just I just hurt my shoulder it's no now you can't do really much with your body in a gym maybe you could train some legs but you're nine months behind of where you could have been I think training smarter and not just trying to go heavy is so important and it's really hard for people because no one wants to feel weak or feel you know I'm only curling the 20s like bro sometimes I still curl the 20s because I'm doing it in a way that's safe and I'm I'm making the weight feel heavier than it is that way I don't get injured because for me it's like same thing I I'd be out of work I'd be out of lifting my body would change I'd start looking you know not as muscular so I think having good form is simply just so you don't get hurt it has having good form can build more muscle but long term the the less likely you are to get hurt the more long-term progress you can make so form is really important as a casual viewer of a lot of different Fitness channels and like nutrition channels and stuff like that I've seen so much Dogma about like four to six rep range versus time under tension or you'll see people that say exercise for 30 minutes three times a week and just go really hard versus like 5 days a week and go for an hour how do you know who to listen to and like what is true uh you can always listen to me no it's funny because all so many things you're asking I just did a video with Jeff nippard he came here and we filmed uh busting every Fitness myth that like exists and half of the stuff you're saying is in it so I'm like all right sick we chose good ones all right good um but like I think I think people that are in this industry that definitely know what they're talking about Jeff nippard Mike iSell myself will Tennyson like I think you got to look at all of the advice and find the common find the commonalities in them of oh it seems to be everybody saying that we should be that we should be training slow and controlled eight out of 10 people are saying that you probably it's proba probably right like just trying not to be stupid you know it's eight out of 10 people said it you should go slow go slow and then when it comes with food and stuff so I think trying to get different opinions you know like you go to a doctor if you broke your arm and you need surgery hopefully you go to at least two doctors if you can afford that so they you know you're not getting screwed over same thing with Fitness if you just watch one person you know everyone has their own opinion I always consumed the whole Fitness space growing up and with that my knowledge became much easier to understand because I was like okay if Jeff nippard says this Jesse James West says this and Mike Rell says this it's probably right don't think too hard just if three people out of four are saying it's right hopefully they're right they're not screwing you over and that's where you can get good information but it's stuff like Tik Tok and Instagram and Twitter where you start getting crazy things that are just trying to sell things what's the biggest Fitness myth although before we continue I got to ask you guys a question are you looking to cut cost and improve your business's bottom line well if you are the best business operators have turned to our sponsor ramp to help them cut down a wasteful spending and improve their Finance operation ramp is the corporate card and spend management software designed to help you save time and put money back in your pocket with ramp spend policies are built into the card to control spending before it even happens it automatically collects and categorizes receipts so you'll never 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this is [ __ ] tea does not make you lose weight that's not that is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life all right if it increase your metabolism it's by what five calories walk 10 steps it did the same thing so it's like stuff like that that I see because people are promoting it simply because they're going to earn commission because people will fall for it so it's like the myth would be don't fall for scammy Fitness ads that are the Quick Fix there is no quick fix it's you can't just drop weight from drinking tea if that happened then there was probably uh an appetite suppressant in the tea and that's why you did not eat and that caused you to lose weight what about o zic it seems like a lot of people are using that for like the quick fix I I'm not I'm not someone like Pro OIC I think that would be kind of dumb if I was um I think if you're someone that really struggles with food addiction so let's say you're 350 lbs you struggle with food addiction maybe you have like some health problems that are underlying that really make it hard your metabolism so slow from years of eating terrible and you've tried everything you don't want to get the gastric bypass surgery or you're not a candidate or whatever maybe that's the route to dive into because at least being lighter and getting rid of your health problems that you have now and losing all the fat you know being obese is not healthy we know this so if if if you got to choose your lesser evil if staying obese or getting skinny but you have to use this drug what's the Lesser evil you know that's for someone to decide for themselves but if OIC is a healthier lesser evil then yeah you know it's better to be 200 lounds on OIC and healthy than 350 lbs not on it and not healthy and dying one day because of it with all that said What is the optimal rep range let me ask you what do you think it is to to build muscle let's say to build muscle muscle I feel it's to lift heavier and to do fewer reps so I'm going to say like the first three sets are probably like six to eight and then the last one's like four to six I'm going to guess four to six wrong it's I think it it's four so H hypertrophy is hypertrophy is the rep ranges to like kind of build muscle yeah it's a like a reaction of how your body reacts to this type of stimulus so that stimulus to build muscle is from 4 to 50 so like that's the optimal rep range is anywhere from 4 to 50 and you can build muscle what about the the saying that like if you want to get lean muscle you do like 20 complete mess so you're saying like if you just did a thousand reps of a one pound dumbbell you're going to get virtually the same results as no so that so that would be too high if you did 50 if you did 50 reps let say 10 pounds oh wow so anything over 50 over 50 is like is the data the the scientific evidence shows that you're not going to build muscles optimally as 49 what about cardio what about it I constantly struggle between just eating less yeah or doing cardio just for putting on muscle well for putting on muscle neither of those options are good you want to be able to either eat at maintenance especially if you're new to the gym or eat in a surplus so like more than your body needs to so that food will go somewhere it'll go to the muscle and then cardio I mean if if you're trying to lose fat yeah I'm trying to l f l fat sh but get shredded and musle say you know you're asking for a lot I would say you know 20 to 30 minutes some moderate cardio and decrease your calories by 250 of whatever your maintenance level is and that's a really good starting point you will lose weight pretty quick how do you find your maintenance calorie it's kind of tough I feel like it comes from uh trial and error so it's sort of I I feel like starting around around 2500 is a goodish ballpark you know like it's not that much but it's not that little for a guy at least and eat 2 200 calories eat one gram of protein per body pound you are so if you're 180 pound you eat 180 grams of protein uh your fats you know keep them above 50 lower than 70 around that Mark and just fill in the rest of with carbs see how your body reacts if you're dropping weight quick you got to eat more if you're staying the same drop them a little bit and how long would you test each different like I'd say like a week or two a week and then if you notice yourself I'd say 10 days 10 days 10 days and then how much in weight should you gain or lose if you're let's say you try the 2500 and you drop you know two pounds you could do the math but me not doing the math right now if you drop two pounds it's like you're good stay you're you're going to achieve your goal two pounds in one week yeah sorry in 10 days in 10 days CU like you want to lose like a pound and a half a week to one pound so you're around two pounds in 10 days and but if you gain two pounds it's like okay now you got to drop it you know another 250 and what about legs for weight loss I've heard that if you train your legs since it's so much muscle that's there everything you're saying is in my video I swear I'm not trying to plug it it's just like I'm so glad we chose those question we'll put it down below in the Des guys at the end of the video after you subscribe and like the video we'll see it okay I'm curious because the legs obviously it's so much muscle in your body and a lot of the metabolizing and the calories that are burning come after your after the gym when it's the muscle is like rebuilding itself this is at least my understanding of it so if you train your legs it's so much of your muscle like your volume is rebuilding itself I see I see the the mindset there and then like your body is sending all of its signals to heal this wounded muscle that you're trying to grow so maybe maybe there's some you know essence of extra calorie burn but I think it's so minimal it's like when it's like when people say you burn more calories in the ice bath it's like maybe three calories you're burning but you know those type of things it's like on average maybe you walk uh 500 steps less that day it's like then you're at bet you're did nothing you know you'd have to be really consistent on everything you're doing I think stuff like that don't really worry about I think look at the big picture am I eating more than I need a caloric Surplus am I eating it less than I need caloric deficit Surplus gain weight deficit lose weight simple pick one that you want to do yeah now for Recovery what about ice baths so is that worth it I look at that I've never done so I have one i' I kind of like love them I don't do them all the time especially in the winter it's [ __ ] it's 20° outside you can understand why I don't want to get in there you walk outside it's your damn ice bath I would say ice baths are great for reducing inflammation uh dealing with stress the only reason I take an ice bath is strictly for one the challenge like can I can I suffer for three minutes and like not be a [ __ ] today yes or no getting the ice bath and two releasing the adrenaline and dopamine in my brain is amazing and sometimes it's like if I do if I don't go to ice bath for two weeks I'll be like damn something's off like I feel off really and then I go in for a few days in a row and it's like resets my serotonin and dopamine levels what does it feel like afterwards but all right so the first time I ever did first time I ever did it was with liver King and I went for 30 seconds I got out and I was like I feel like I just had an orgasm but it's like I mean I I've literally never tried any drugs besides like marijuana when I was like 16 or something I feel old as [ __ ] saying marijuana like I smoked pot when I was a kid like twice uh or a teenager I should say so outside that and like a few shots of alcohol you know every once in a while I have no idea what drugs it feel like but I would imagine this is what Like Cocaine would feel like like walk us through for someone who's never done it would like me okay you get in yeah your body immediately starts telling you that you are dying it thinks you're in the Titanic about to sink with Jack and whatever her name was Jack and Jill I don't know if that's her name and your body is sending signals to your brain thinking I'm in the Arctic about to drown in this cold water so what does it do when your body goes in fight or flight like when your body's about to die if I had held a knife to you and you really thought you're going to die your adrenaline is going to shoot up because you become hyper aware of what's going on to hopefully fend off the bad guy or bad thing or the water and so your body shoots that signal at some point you know sometimes you got to stay in it longer most of the time it's pretty quick boom shoots that dopamine receptor of adrenaline and dopamine so that way you can kind of deal with this situation that your body thinks it's in and then you either get out out and you're like wow I feel amazing or you stay in a little longer and you know you kind of hit your timer okay so I could be completely wrong here and this could be a lot of like pseudo science so if you're a doctor feel free to comment we'll like it up you can everyone can watch those comments but I feel like I've heard that putting yourself forcefully into fight or flight over and over again which is essentially I think what you're saying is not a good thing because yeah sure it's epinephrine and it's like motivation and dopamine like it can really get you going kind of the same as like Aderall in so far you a little bit heard that and it sounds very like intive it sounds right like but it could be as as a hypothesis it's like you know it sounds reasonable I love to see the evidence on that because you are putting yourself you're tricking your brain into I'm dying over and over and over so it it might do something you know but then it also might maybe it's doing something good we just don't know in theory it sounds like that could be a thing I hope it's not because I like to fight aging you know I want to be young forever I know I'm just like okay what would 40-year-old me want he wants me to look young so let's not age ourselves in an ice bath but if if a study came out saying that it ages you I would totally stop doing it or I'd go in and like just dip my head and get the [ __ ] out okay you know I don't I don't so they they say that ice baths decrease the amount of muscle you can gain because if you do it after your workout so say you do biceps and then you go in there and your biceps are now in there and the inflammation's getting reduced your blood flow is changing it that inflammation actually helps grow grow the muscle so by getting it out of the muscle you're hindering the growth but we don't know if that's 1% 2% 20% like no one knows how Min how minuscule it could be so you know I still do it I'll still going after and just say [ __ ] it like I still have muscle I don't know yeah and speaking of liver King how was that experience first time I went first time I went was sick like crazy very interesting I've never really done anything like it we did like four workouts a day like we did like three workouts the first day one workout the next day all this crazy stuff non-stop very eye-opening experience of just this is awesome people loved the video until he got you know exposed and all but that's one of my most viewed videos that video was like a pinnacle video I'd be i' I'd say like we got to make more videos like that I think that's how I found your channel initially I think it might have been me too it that that video that and the fake weights versus Larry Wheels were like people in grocery stores starting being like are you the fake weights guy are you the livering guy like I'm on I'm on a plane I remember this and it's maybe a few months after it I'm looking over and this kid is playing the video on a plane I think he I think he looked at me and like found me or something and then was watching it and I was like what the hell bro that was now that now that can happen here and there you know it's not like the it's not the first time I've seen it but I remember being like people are starting to know me now what do you think about liver King obviously he got canceled very hard and he gets a lot of hate I know him in a brief 72 hours total I've ever been around him from the from that from my personal experience with th within those constrainted hours awesome guy very respectable very you know loving father husband and works really hard outside of that I really can't comment I don't know him on a personal level I had the exact same experience we had him on the show like a couple years ago thought was cool dud it's a valuable lesson to not really judge people based on other people's opinions I always try to make opinions on my own unless it's someone that I'm like very like my best friend is like trust me bro that person I'm going to trust them I'm going trust my mom my dad my fiance you know people around me that are that close their opinions matter but if it's you know the internet's opinion on someone I'm not going to judge them until I meet them if I meet them and I and I hate them it's like all right then sick they were all right or wow that's a nice guy he doesn't deserve the hate you know I think we all should be a little less judgmental based on others opinions speaking of that you did a video about being in a fat suit yes what did you notice about how people judged you dude it was crazy so like the first few hours it's obviously like tiring to be in that all day CU it's heavy and you're in Prosthetics but I genuinely wanted to do it to see what I've never been over obese or like fat you know I've been Husky for a bulk but like that's it nothing where people would look at me and be like whoa he's fat and being in there all day like when I I went to a mall and one people will look cuz I got a camera it was you know was crazy so obviously like I I find my my my my future wife is beautiful I'll say that with a with my chest up so a lot of people will look at her when I'm with her now and not in a fat suit people you know men will walk by and you know look at her women will walk by and look at her cuz she's an attractive blonde girl and when I was wearing the suit we went to a mall together and like held hands and we're walking and you could see like people looking at her and then me like what the [ __ ] how like cuz I I to a to a standard Western Society it's you know maybe it's unattractive to to look the way I did and then to be next to a really beautiful woman that you could see the confusion in their eyes and I was like damn people really are I just think every time I see that I had to say usually it just means that guy has massive game Oh I thought you were GNA say something El that's massive massive game huge yeah I would say I'd say by the end of the day filming I literally had like way less confidence and was I felt like a slum of depression not not real depression but just like I I just felt down about I like like normally I'm upbeat filming and I'm having a good time but I just I felt like I F filmed for 3 days straight and I didn't and I was like do you think that's maybe that's your your mood wasn't as high when you're in the fat suit that maybe you felt a bit self-conscious and that's coming but no do you think I would say that I definitely like you could I don't know I feel like when I when I walk around people know that I'm a confident guy they whether you see my body or not I mean I still walk with my confidence you know and I'm smiling I'm a happy dude and but but when I'm walking around not as that it's like the vibe from everyone else definitely affected me so you feed off the vibe of yeah and I felt I could feel the Judgment I could feel the just like I was like damn I don't I just want rather not be here like not be in this environment but you also went to a fat camp what was the thing that was the most surprising from that that was a really unique experience I brought someone that that I'm a friend with uh that I'm friends with named Rudy and you know he's done a fair transformation I met him when he was like 620 lb bed probably going to die like he would say this too like he literally was on on his deathbed maybe a month away from probably eating himself to to death and he was drinking a lot too I had no idea who he was I met in Uber told him why I was there I was in the most obese city in America he brought me there and then he's like this is my friend Rudy like give him some advice and stuff cuz this his friend he wants to try to not let him die and he Rudy then saw the video all the positive comments like you can do it Rudy so that positivity really sparked him to make a change he dropped like 150 lbs in 6 months you know I started chatting with him again and he's like hey man I've lost all this I was like holy [ __ ] like what and he's like dude yeah after the video you know I really wanted to make a change so then I brought him to another place to just it's like a it's a fat camp but like it's just like a weight loss center you can go there if you are jacked and want to just go train and it's kind of like a training rehab place I don't know and we go there they teach us all about I already know all the stuff mostly uh but they taught us all about you know your body your your fat loss you know things that hurt fat loss and it just it was good to educate him but it was really it was really interesting to see like because everyone's there for a common goal there were I feel like there was their guard wasn't up and kudos to the place I think it's called I think it's fit Farm in Tennessee um and so like their guard wasn't down to like you know cuz let's say it was one obese person and like 10 fit people in a non safe setting they're going to feel like an outcast but it a lot of people were all on different levels some people were fit some people were really over some people are in the in the process some people lost 200 200 lb already so it's kind of like this place that was really safe and I think the coolest part was just that everyone was just super super uh eager to like help each other so why do you think we have an obesity epidemic America's access to crappy food is so high like it's so easy to get bad food it's cheaper uh it's it's it's marketed to you in a way where you just like like they do they literally will people they'll go into store is wearing eye trackers and track where people are looking and then make decisions off that to alter where things are and alter the packaging and stuff it's like really intelligent people are marketing and and manipulating Americans and we're all falling for it whether you're fit or not and I think the barrier to entry is so low to get bad food that it's just like you know if you only got five bucks are you going to go to Chipotle and get half a bowl you can't you know but is that the problem or is it some sort of like food addiction that certain people have cuz that seems like there's a lot of problems to it you know there's a lot of people that have food addiction most of the time people are overweight because they're literally addicted to food or they're depressed and just the only thing that makes them feel like there's always a deeper reason they're not just overweight because they're like hey I I want to be overweight like no one's overweight because of that's why I made a video about is being fat at choice and afterwards I've realized like kind of isn't I think it kind of can be but it also isn't at the same time where like Mike is her tell made a great point he's like when you go in your closet and you pick out a purple shirt you actively made a choice that day to wear a purple shirt but if you went up to a obese person said hey take this pill and you'll lose all your fat he said unless they're a summer wrestler they going to be like all right cool thanks like I would love to so it's like they they're not choosing to be fat right now like that's an outcome of many things that have happened in their lives and maybe years of overeating and reverse that's really hard so I think you know in America fast foods extremely popular processed foods are an all-time high you know there's all these bad things in our food it's even in the organic healthy it's like it's such [ __ ] there's literally nothing there's nothing that you can buy that isn't unless it has a single ingredient like rice potato chicken and beef almost everything has BS in it and it's like super annoying because I try to cut it out but you buy organic nature something uh cracker there's four seed oils there's uh you know all these there's there's way too many ingredients and I'm like how are like they getting away but it's organic it's like it's all Bs and I think you know we have a we have a society that leans on food do you see any commonalities like maybe a lack of motivation willpower anything like this that you see it's kind of everything you know it's it's not just one thing it's it's not just that people are lazy or not just that there's bad food in front of them it's kind of an culmination of everything a lot of it like I went to West Virginia and I did the unhealthiest City and it was some City in West Virginia and I talked to people and they were like there's no grocery store there's only a dollar store that sells frozen meals like you cannot for 15 miles go get broccoli plain broccoli potato chicken like you just you can't so there's McDonald's or there's Dollar General that has frozen meals or if you have enough money to put gas in your car to go drive the 15 miles you know the a lot of places are in poverty so they're like ah you know it's 15 bucks a gas like I don't have that thank God I don't have to I don't have to have that problem but people do and those are the people that are like well I got four bucks I'm going to go get a quarter pounder you know for 500 calories of all fat or I'm gonna get I only got 10 bucks for my whole family we're gonna get a pizza you know this is a controversial opinion but Dr Mike Isel got into a lot of trouble when he went on Dr Mike his podcast because Israel was saying that it's just as easy for someone who's like poor who's not well financially to lose weight as someone who has plenty of money I'd say I just wouldn't speak on it until you've been there you know it's like I can't speak on that because I've never been in extreme poverty so I will never know it's uh like literally it's the same thing uh like I will never speak for an overweight person just as I never will speak for anybody who's a different color skin I'm not that so I can't speak on it and I honestly don't think people should unless they literally did studies with those people like if Mike did studies with obese people from all these poverty places and non-poverty and then compare the results like okay you're scientist you did your study speak on it but I'd say I'd rather just not speak on it because I I don't think I don't think my opinion is valuable there I think he he grew up pretty in poverish because he they like came from Russia but now he's not so now obviously like he's getting so I think like if you have a personal experience you can totally add value but like I don't give Financial advice because I'm not a financial YouTuber you know same thing well I think Jack wants to complement your hair it's it's luscious it's it's full the hairline is immaculate ah I'm proud it showed off you know I got I got I got a little like Widows Peak you know I used to be insecure but I'd be lying to you if it was a Natty hairline I take fide I thought you were gonna say that you got like the injection stuff or whatever like PRP oh PRP no I thought about that though when I before I took fide but um yeah I've been on fash ride for year and a half let's just say yeah probably year and a half of the side effects I mean a lot of guys are scared to take it because like the classic known side effects they just can't get they can't dude if anything okay it's more than ever no uh side effects are because of the drug and now i' I've heard there's like postf postfastr syndrome people say it like ruins their life and they're depressed and I'm like that too I guess that's what if you come off no I hear random Reddit stories of like I just feel like people want to say [ __ ] about it and scared the hell out of me one guy was like I don't know if you're allowed you okay saying that okay I don't know if you're like yeah no I've been on it since 2019 so like what is that four and a half five years and I read a Reddit story about how one guy was like I was always so motivated I could do anything and then I took this and it ruined my life so I know some people that have taken it and they're like dude the the brain fog hits me immediately the one thing I thought I maybe was feeling during the initial like 30 days of taking it was I thought I was dealing with some brain fog I was like am I as creative is I I thought the same thing but either the side effects you just kind of they dissipate or I'm fine because I was like I feel like I was comparing my YouTube videos thinking I'm not as creative lately my videos aren't doing as well it must be the F fide ab and then I'm like then I go have a biggest summer of my life recently on on YouTube and it's like I'm on for aside so I'm fine so you've covered steroid use quite a bit what are the right reasons to take steroid and what are the wrong reasons I don't think there is a right reason I think there's a right reason to take testosterone replacement like if your test levels are low from blood work and a doctor says hey you probably should be on this after like getting multiple tests and you if you have the symptoms as well you could have low test and feel literally great and fine like I've had 350 nanograms before for a year and I was fine like I felt great and then I'd have 400 and then I have 500 and then slowly over the over the time of eating healthier and eating less processed stuff my test has gone up so I don't know if it has to do with the fake food I was eating for a while cuz I used I used to eat a ton of zero calorie this lower calorie this like this the syrup Splenda aspartame syrup that it's like zero five calorie syrup I was like addicted to that [ __ ] and as I cut that out I got healthier looked better and my testosterone went up so I think first you need to fix your diet fix your training fix your sleep uh fix your recovery and if those four things maybe there's other things but if those if those main four things don't fix your problem maybe consider going to a doctor if you really feel terrible and have those side effects that's when I would consider going to a doctor for trt and make sure you're prescribed it don't just stick a needle in your ass and think that you're going to be fine because there's a right way to do it and the wrong way to do it is there the right time to take it that's all personal choice is there a wrong time most of them you know like are you saying like is there ever a good time to take steroids there's most of the time it's a bad time to take steroids and I think especially if you're young like so many people are wanting Fame they want to be bigger they want to look better it's like those aren't the reasons you're going to succeed in life like truthfully like I think that's such a such a small factor of succeeding in like a fitness industry is actually being diced to the gills I think there's you could be intelligent and get past that you don't need to be absolutely shredded to be somebody you know yeah what's the youngest person you've seen on steroids uh 19 they start when they're 18 wow and I have a video on that too like a teen steroid epidemic there was a 14-year-old well he's not he's 18 lied about being 14 I heard that and saying that he was he told me he's natural I don't believe him but whatever you know I guess 18 He the youngest it does seem like it's glamorized because I remember growing up and like the steroid thing was never a thing it was like oh yeah they they do steroid that's it was it seemed like a weird thing now it seems so common that it's like oh yeah they're on steroids whatever I think it's I don't I kind of hate that it's so common because kids will come up to me and they're like like dude I'm like I'm I'm thinking about taking steroids what do you think and I'm like don't [ __ ] do that like I don't I'm not on it you don't need it bro like I understand there's because here's the thing if you have [ __ ] genetics before you take steroids and you take steroids you're just going to look bigger but still [ __ ] like no offense but like a lot of people that take gear don't look like they're on gear because they are not very good responders to the Gear their genetics are extremely poor to begin with and now their health is worse their skin look worse they're they have side effectss because they didn't do their research they don't have a proper coach like there's so much that there's so much that can go wrong and very little that can go right unless you have fantastic genetics also have a great coach and have a lot of money to like make sure you're doing things right when was the closest you've ever been to taking steroids but you know what that reminds me when was the last time you needed to go to the doctor but you just pushed it off maybe you just made the excusive I'm too busy it's going to heal on its own I don't even know which doctor to go to look I think we've honestly all been there book a doctor's appointment could be daunting but thanks to our sponsor Zach do there's no reason to delay they make it easy to find and book A Doctor Who's right for you zok is a completely free app and website where you can search and compare 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another Fitness influencer he said I think he said like he bought it once and like he got that close like I I've never been close I never I've always liked being natural thankfully my genetic I have I have very good genetics in terms of building muscle like I I don't it's not hard to build muscle I just got to eat more and and be fluffier for a little bit and I build a lot of muscle the reason I'm not absolutely enormous I feel like is because I just don't bulk for long periods of time so I'm kind of like just maintaining maybe sharpening up a little bit over time but I've thought about it you know I've been like dude cuz think about it if you have great genetics and you look great natural imagine if you took steroids like I look in the mirror and I'm I'm 17 and I have very I I've looked very similar for a while I've improved to a degree but like let's say 18 years old I'm like damn bro I'm like pretty jacked and then you're like but what if I took steroids I'd be [ __ ] seab bomb you know like the they people people don't realize that when you have a very impressive natural physique it I think it's it's more tempting to take steroids to a because you're you're like you're basically you're qualified to look insane slash the best you know like if you have great muscle insertions great responding to uh to to eating more food and growing muscle [ __ ] if you took steroids you're a great qualifier to do well in in competition you're a great qualifier to just get more likes on social media versus if you have you know say your abs you you don't have any lines your biceps are extremely high inserted your chest is extremely inser inserted small and not and your shoulders are extremely high insertions like where they like literally go into your body so your muscle bellies are small that's what would be called uh if you take steroids like you're not going to change that you're just going to have a bigger bicep but it's still really high up your shoulders are still really small you know your chest still is shaped odd like that doesn't get fixed so then people don't realize that like that's why people they go on steroids and then they regret it and they come off and now they're stuck on trt for life is because it didn't do this magical wonderful thing that seum looks like you know they look at seum they're like steroids equal SE buum I want to be on steroids no do you think just in terms of Aesthetics the natural aesthetic the natural physique looks better than like a massive one that's probably on roids I think it's all toot to their own personally I think the natural aesthetic where you're like bodybuilder but could probably still run a 10K but probably looks still pretty normal going in clothes like maybe if you wear a tight shirt people like oh he lifts you know he looks good I personally think that that is a very nice like a superhero look you know like you look at Superman I mean he's probably on some [ __ ] you know but that Superhero look I think is a great you know Brad Pit Fight Club everybody says I think him with 10 pounds of muscle solid that could be maybe why you haven't taken it because that's what you like optim I desire a physique that I have and then I'm like like I literally tell people I'm like I don't really want to get much bigger I just want to improve certain parts of my body I want my shoulders be bigger I want my calves be bigger uh I like being lean and you know maybe a bigger upper chest other than that like I literally don't want to get any bigger I my the max I'd want to weigh is probably 190 did you notice a difference when you got your dream Physique in terms of interest from women ah from women I mean from guys I don't know like from guys it went up that's for sure um uh honestly I'm going to say yes and I feel like a lot of dudes going be like oh [ __ ] pick me like shut up I would say that because I'm not huge like it when I'm when I'm shredded or like like right now I'm like I'm lean I'm not shredded I'm like to to my eyes let's say I lost five pounds of fat like I'm gonna be shredded then um but I'm not like too like gross lean to girls I feel like that's where girls would be you know they they think oh you got a great body you know it's like the superhero body it's the movie body the Hollywood body if I get two lean say I lost 10 pounds girls are like oh you're you're too you're too like you look like you needed to eat like my fiance loves she doesn't love me at a certain weight but like I can tell that she looks at me a little extra when I'm like 180 182 I'm like 186 right now not that she doesn't look at me like you know all juicy and nice now but we look at photos and she's like you look so cute there and I'm like I'm 180 and I'm like I knew it but then when I'm 170 she's like she'll like touch me be like you feel like a skeleton like you might look good in photo and video but you're so like she's not insulting me but she's just like you can't stay like it's not healthy to be that lean so that's another reason she doesn't like me being that lean um but you know she prefers someone around 180 that sort of jacked but still soft enough look and I would say a lot of women not all some women like them softer some like them skinny whatever but the women that like that realm of body I feel like the Hollywood Brad Pit with like a little bit more body fat and a little bit bigger is a nice middle ground for girls to be like oo you look good I definitely think it's more of a guy thing though like the attention you get guys I think girls don't pay attention to it as much as the guys like you know how girls are always saying like oh we don't do our makeup for men you know we do it for us and like blah blah blah like who knows the the answer I'd say a but a lot of them do do it for like you know they just want they just look they like looking pretty like it's almost the same thing with like guys building muscle where it's more for our own self approval and then also maybe some peer approval is where a lot of it stems from the first time I tried to put on muscle it was strictly for sports like some dudes like dude I did it for girls I never once lifted a weight for a girl like I could if that was the case I'd be like [ __ ] off like then you're clearly not the right person to be around but um I mean I know my experience and what I'm saying comes from like walking around Miami in like 2021 when I was single before I met Claudia and girls being like Oh like [ __ ] like that like it's because one it's Miami you know they're gonna be like they're they're they're drunk must be real uh so that's the only way I could say like I've gotten attention a few times you know if I didn't have this body would I would I not get attention I don't know maybe they'd still say oo you know it's funny what about women on steroids what do you think about that is it a is it a problem is it fine I think it's more detrimental to their health than men like done a study or I've done a investigative video on this where there's a lot more that can go wrong because not that these are male hormones but I would say they're male dominant hormones like women male dominant hormones women still have testosterone for sure women women still have estrogen but when you jack up their testosterone to levels that a guy has I mean yeah you might have more male characteristics if we're talking about you know what's in the body and what's what's literally happening you know with their jaw with their voice these are irreversible things is more male or female to be that way who the hell knows but I will say it definitely is very dangerous for a woman to do that because there's a lot of side effects that they can have problems with you know having children infertility and stuff and you know I mean if someone wants to have a kid and then they take a cycle and then realize they can't have a kid it's like you just you you just ruin part of your life you know and that's why there's never a good time to take steroids men or or women but I think it is I think it's really impressive the women and being backstage when I was at the Olympia I think it's more impressive their bodies than the men because these women literally I I don't know if it has to do with just how women hold water because like there's muscle then there's water then there's like fat and skin or whatever the order is but there's between skin and muscle there is water and men will do a lot in s women to cut out that water and I feel like women can cut water out of their the the tissue in their in their body a little better to where they look so much leaner they look like an chart like the girls will walk and their hamstring glutes their shoulders every single muscle will just have these like Dr stripes in it even when they're not flexing like there will be girls standing there and I'm looking at their quad and I'm like what the [ __ ] like and and like seum doesn't have that so that girl is literally leaner than Chris Bumstead and it's crazy but they're just not screw with their entire system that's the thing so I think like they have to I think they almost have to push harder than the men to get that lean and that means it's it honestly is more unhealthy too because getting leaner than the guys already do bro like you're on your deathbed bro you're about to like pass out yeah what about taking testosterone as a guy are there any misconceptions about that I think the biggest misconception just testosterone steroids in general is that it's just going to make you look great like I said genetics play play a huge role I think people people will think oh I'm gonna go on this I'm gonna I'm gonna gain 10 pounds one you have no idea if you're a responder or not like maybe there's some markers in blood work that can say okay he's going to respond to thing or she's going to respond to this drug but like no one truly knows until you do it and so it's kind of a roll of the dice it's like a Russian Roulette right there of just will this drug actually work on me I could I could I could have all these great genetics and then go take steroids and literally gain two pounds and be like okay I got all the side effects and no gain so it's like you never know so I think that's the biggest misconception with any sort of hormone replacement or hormone anything is just that it might not work the way you think it will what do you think about Greg duet's video I have proof Jesse James West is not Natty did he post that when did he post that he said I have proof he's not nty line Jesse James West Greg you give me you make me laugh I'm friends with him that man is off his rocker sometimes with his titles and thumbnails I don't even think he's coming up with them I think he pays people to do it and they're always crazy he'll put he puts the craziest stuff in thumbnails he said it was uh your pre-workout that you injected oh oh okay okay yeah the thumbnail and the title I think do what you got to do to get views Greg it's I don't care like you can use and abuse my name I I know what I'm worth my value I know people that watch me know my worth and value it's whatever can you give us your best Greg impression oh my God are you kidding me I told you he's not nty how was that is that good so good that was incredible that was way way better than I expected I feel like I feel like once you said it I like my brain went ding I know how to do that I've never done that what do you think about Sam solik Sam oh Sammy boy Sammy Sammy uh Sam suic I've interacted with him a few times one I've messaged him a few times left me on red no big deal uh twice uh then in person was totally a normal chill dude I think he's just very to himself I think you know he got his head down he just does his thing I don't think he's really in it for like fame or money or anything I I think if I was his manager like I would do so much different I'd be like I think he's missing out on a lot of uh Revenue Because unless he's working on something in the background like that he's going to launch like supplements or something but he has no sponsors dropped merch like once this year just uploads videos like does he have mid roll ads on I don't know you know does he even have his ads on I have no idea like no one I don't I don't know and he doesn't really talk to anyone besides like the real bodybuilders so I think it's interesting his of what he does there is a strategy behind it I know he's a smart guy I think he'll always have a good fan base of you know 100 to 200k like maybe let's say 70k views to 200k views is his like ballpark yeah but when you're uploading every every every day you know time seven time seven is pretty crazy you know that's almost a million a week on long videos so he does have a crazy fan base um so he'll be around for a long time but I I knew for a fact that when he had that big blow up where he's getting like a mill on every video for like 30 days straight I knew it was going to crash Not Crash I knew it was going to go down and have a a maintenance level and and his maintenance level is kind of like he started with like 120k a video I'm obsessed with analytics so I know I memorize everything bro and then it went like this and now it's back to 120 so it's like it didn't hurt him yeah but he's got a Sol like he would probably have a longer line than I will though at a saw him blowing up and so I watched it just to see what the appeal was yeah I couldn't get into it but that's just me I got it into it yeah I was very into it is it like is it kind of like mind numbing or you're just like dude it's like ASMR voice bro he's a radio voice his voice and then it's also like dude this is going to sound weird but it's like when he's putting up the Reps and you can like hear it like cuz he puts his microphone right here and if I'm at the gym and I'm like hearing that it makes me want to like work out even harder wow so I like it I think people literally use him as a workout partner in their ear a workout partner and also he's just so calming you know like he's not crazy I'll like like I'll watch it enjoy for like five minutes and then I'm like all right next but I mean the five minutes were good who do you feel like is underrated in the fitness Community ah this guy Jesse James East man dude it's crazy he has a channel just like mine that's my second Channel um oh I was with Mr Beast recently and he was like who's a who's a Creator that's like under like that's look past or something or no one knows about him or who's like on the come up or who's really good that you like and I have a really hard time answering that because I'm so analytical like I watch Will's videos and I feel like it's very hard for me to not critique them and be like they should have done this man or like that this was so lazy or why they like I I feel like I put a lot of effort into my videos so when I see someone kind of take the easy way out I'm like like you you you have such a big platform why aren't you doing the the the most out of it but I understand like there's so many circumstances like you never know what's going on in someone's life to take the easy way out maybe they're [ __ ] taking care of their family and that's why they do things that are quicker but I look at stuff and I'm like so many people can improve I can improve and I have a hard time as much as much as I have a hard time enjoying a lot of content because that's what we do yeah um when I play lacrosse I really didn't like watching lacrosse I was like I'd rather go play so I'd rather go film and make my own videos but if I'm gonna enjoy someone's like start to finish I'd say Kelly wacassa he's not in the Finish industry I think great dude love the guy I feel like me and him are very similar so like yeah so I like him a lot really down earth guy and his content's very very good and you and it's story told well it's edited well like him and his editor are great team and I like his content a lot um in the fitness industry some people people will do well and I'm like oh they're they're making improvements those are great ideas like I think the best people that have people have like some pretty creative ideas lately is like will Tennyson and like him will and brownie um I think recently will kind of like improved his style a little like I feel like when the past month I was like you are doing a little bit a little like it's I like it better like it's a little tighter than it used to be um brownie makes really good videos but the topics I feel like sometimes are what holds it back but his videos are phenomenal like the Ed because I think he's getting in there on the edit and really going crazy um so those I mean it's kind of like we are the top three it's me Will and browny the only dudes that are really crushing in Fitness so we all just take turns on who's at one yeah in terms of bodybuilding competitions done a couple of them now what is the worst part about the prep what's the thing that you didn't expect to be so bad and it's awful energy levels it's probably from having really low testosterone once you get really lean you're basically starving yourself to near death um you get once you get past once I get below 175 so that's 10 lounds away right now so if I drop 10 pounds I'm like all right I'm starting to feel this just a half pound more one pound I'm like oh my God I'm dying and it's like every waking second I feel like I have a low blood sugar problem maybe I do this time if I ever do a prep again I'm going to do a prick to see if that's one of the problems that I had but I just you the energy is so low and the oh you know what it's worse the the emotionlessness is that a word the lack of emotion the lack of emotion is so painful like you can't feel good or bad you're just like just [ __ ] nothing like literally looking at a phone I don't get dope mean from the phone so I'm just like is it similar like that to like just being really really hungry no try being really hungry and then having low testosterone at the same time so if you have low test like you I feel bad for you you need to get that's why I'm like if you have low test bro get that [ __ ] fix how do you know what indicators you know should you low energy low motivation you're holding fat holding water sleep isn't good and then the natural ways to improve that would be less processed food more sleep less processed food more sleep don't touch receipts yeah I guess I [ __ ] if that's real then I'm [ __ ] I always just say no see now I'm like d I'm good um and then but a lot of time it's just like whatever factor is doing it if you fix that you will feel drastically better so for me when I'm dieting really really lean for about 30 about 21 days when I'm 21 days out from my show is when it's like this [ __ ] sucks and you just got to grind through it the only thing that keeps me like sane is keeping busy so like going out and filming videos cuz you're kind of just like in that flow but then after you're like [ __ ] dead like I filmed in a fat suit 15 days out and I I had it like T like I was L like laying down in between uh like takes because I was I was dying I could like I wish we filmed it but I was like so uh lack of Just Energy and then my makeup artist that did the makeup she's like you got to eat like chocolate or something so I had a piece of chocolate and I was like Ding and I was like I was low blood sugar holy [ __ ] and then I felt good for like 20 30 minutes and then you're back to like so lack of energy and it's not just tired like you wake up and you're like oh I'm hung over I'm tired it's like like no you have literally no energy like lifting your arm is like a pain in the ass and then the lack of emotion just sucks like having a beon she was my girlfriend at the time you're just laying in bed and you're like bro like I can't feel anything like I have no happiness no sadness like if you hug me right now it doesn't feel warm right now like I just feel [ __ ] nothing horrible so what would you different the next time diet slower uh get my blood sugar levels tested try to take some testosterone like uh pills of like like ashwagandha hopefully helps a little I think the best thing for me would be trying to keep my blood sugar at a healthier level and dieting the reason I would diet slower is so I don't have to do as much hardcore cardio like 50 I'll do like 50 minutes on the stairs every day the last 20 days just trying to get that like off quick um cuz I always do things like kind of quicker than I should I think slowing down would help because I did a prep in 14 days once I was already shredded and then I was like let's do 14 days of a crash diet like 1,200 calories like in 50 minutes cter basically you're eating 500 calories a day uh and I felt ex like it was like painful how I felt couldn't I my head I couldn't lift my head when I I go for a walk and I'm like oh my god dude and then I did a 30-day of that like kind of Rapid so this time I'd probably do like 45 I probably do like 60 and really take my time and try to keep that cardio as low as possible while still losing fat how do you keep your mental health in check outside competition just life uh Zola I am on Zola yeah 50 milligrams nothing crazy but on it sounds like 15 lowkey so I don't really know life without it how did how did you know you needed that like what were the feelings um so in I was playing sports and I had a lot of pressure kind of like similar to the pressure I have now but I was 15 didn't know how to deal with it so all that stress and I had a lot of anxiety and just did I didn't know it was anxiety so I was just like like I just felt like these [ __ ] anxiety attacks all the time so my parents were like you know your dad's on it your sisters tried it you know in times and and they both had great experiences I think we should you should try it if you're okay with it so I tried it helped a little I don't think it really did much I think I just over the from 15 to the last 10 years have just gotten better with dealing with anxiety and dealing with with mental health issues and stuff and um also just doing what you actually have passion for for me was a really big factor like as I progressively got less interested in Lacrosse but the effort was still the same I was more and more depressed so it was kind of like a sliding scale of the less I enjoyed the more depression I felt and anxiety so when I when I brought when I got rid of the stuff that was making me really unhappy it kind of like leveled more and then over time you know you keep now now I'm like here because I'm doing much more happy and fulfilling things that I love so the mental health issues that I used to have I don't have as much I'd say I get anxiety from having too much caffeine so like if if I have too much caffeine in a day I'm like [ __ ] man I feel like [ __ ] and I mean we all do that like just but it's like the number one anxiety and ticker for me but yet I'm addicted to caffeine so it's kind of a [ __ ] double- EDG sword uh and then the only reason I'll ever feel like kind of really down or have a lot of anxiety is maybe the pressure of keeping up with YouTube and trying to outdo the the the previous thing that I've done so like that'll get to me to a degree so I think how I mitigate that is one having a great partner you know Claudia's like my rider die she sticks by me and and you know just being around her sort of lowers my anxiety she's literally like an anti-depressant and then cuz I'm very like go go go and she's very calm so it's great balance and then I would say like things like the ice bath making sure I work out if I don't work out I'll feel crazy you know and then I work out like 5:00 p.m. and I'm like dude I should have just [ __ ] lifted at 9: it would have felt way better and then think just like trying to make sure I'm doing things that I thoroughly enjoy and those things keep me in check but there's always you know there's always like a little you know anxiety or maybe depressive slight feelings but I feel like I know I know what causes them now and I avoid them to to kind of deal with it why do you continue to take it if you feel like you've now rebalanced I'm just afraid that like if I come off I'm GNA almost like take a like say the say that scale is like happiness is here depression's here if I come off is that depression and anxiety going to raise and then that [ __ ] with everything I feel like I'm in such a good place and I like I love my life career is going great don't [ __ ] with what's good I think eventually though like I think I think when I finally am done with not done I think when I finally graduate from YouTube that period of time I mean I I'm sure they'll be there there'll be the next it'll be during a transitionary hard have a control but I almost feel like I almost feel like I I'm afraid because of like I know how YouTube can [ __ ] with people's heads so much if you get too caught up and I just I don't want to let that happen and then it like wrecks the outcome of what I what I am you know like like I do very well right now if I if I had a a bout of extreme anxiety like all my decisions and everything's going to get [ __ ] like maybe I'm not filming as much maybe I'm have so much fear that I'm just I just got I'll just I'll just do that that way we're doing something and that's like not I think having mitigating fear has been a huge anxiety suppressant and fear is where you make mistakes it's so interesting because usually when I talk to people that are on pill such as that like they're it's not that they're like happier but they're just like not as sad because they're like a little bit more numb so it's interesting I'm definitely not on enough to feel numb that you're like that you're still a very high vibration person obviously you know people can hate for me asking these questions but I'm curious Derek for more plat to more dates said you could just take it and if you don't like the results you just you know stop taking it in terms of finasteride could you consider doing something similar to I could the the drug I'm on zolof is very like withdrawal like physical withdrawing interes so I've come off it once in 2018 I came off it and I had a [ __ ] but then I also so 2018 I came off but then I went to college to play D lacrosse and do something that I just did not want to do at all so it it's kind of like a bad time to go do this but I was like I've been on it I I just like don't want to be on it anymore like I shouldn't came off super super depressed I wasn't like you know against life at the moment but I definitely could see in the future this could go dark you know could this could get way worse than it is and thankfully I'm like I was self-aware enough of I'm in a very dark place and darker is probably really really bad so I'm going to go back on and I'm going to get out of this situation so step one was leave the lacrosse uh division one scholarship and transferring and that like kind of gave me a lot of inner peace and then I was like all right I'm gonna I'm gonna go back on this medication to just maybe that because at the time you're like I don't was that one of the reasons that I felt like this so we should try to fix all variables here so I went back on been on ever since so I think I sort of have like a maybe a trauma to that of if I come off I'm going to go dark again so I don't I think I'm intelligent enough self aware enough to know like that I'm not in the same place seems like you're really thoughtful about it like you think about it a lot you introspect quite a bit pretty obvious that's that's that's definitely I'm definitely a thinker yeah in terms of the high vibrations High motivation high energy a lot of people they wake up they don't feel super motivated or energized do you have any advice for them maybe they how they they have these these goals and then they have these actions and there's a lot of dissonance between what they want life to be like for themselves and what life is actually like my mom always said a person in motion stays in motion it's like an object emotion stays uh an object in motion stays in motion it's like from Newton's [ __ ] law um I think it's so valuable to think that way because if you are continuously doing something you know you're going to stay in that motion those habits so I think the biggest thing is taking action to get in motion like people will wake up and lay in bed for hours and I was talking to my fiance about this and we're like we never do that like ever we get up your alarm goes off you wake up get up like and if that can become your habit like it'll it'll you know be a wave into your whole day you know it'll push into your whole day and I think staying in motion is really important where I'm always doing something like I'm I I'm uncomfortable if I'm not and I think that that has kept my life moving in a happier better Direction and if you don't have motivation it's like just step one get up you know because I feel like so many people will be people might be watching this in the morning morning right now laying in bed like oh man like keep watching but yeah and then get up yeah do you have any but you got to get up and get moving and and whether that's literally just getting out of bed as soon as you wake up or going on a walk in the morning like those little things will add up you know and it sounds so stupid and it's like I don't need to walk to get my day going like bro do it do you have any other habits that you do like on a daily basis that have really improved your life you've already mentioned ice bathing you mentioned the alarm goes off you get up immediately like small things that you do H um do you wait a while to drink caffeine because I've also heard that I've heard that I don't really participate grounding okay so I'll give you a few random things I do there's no particular time or order um when I do an ice bath I then get out and most time I do this I'll go stand on grass and like I literally open my arms and close my eyes and it's like my manifestation moment and I just visualize everything I want so and like I visualize it with the people I love as if it's like happening you know I'm not just like picturing oh a plane like a jet like no I'm on the jet I'm with I'm I'm with my fiance our future child's there my parents are there like all I really try to like in my head it's real so I think visualization is really important whether it's after the ice bath standing on grass or it's just waking up taking two minutes yourself and visualizing this is what today looks like I'm gonna do this boom go do it uh I'm a big component of my life is music not an artist that don't play instruments but I think like it's almost like setting a vibration basically where I have favorite songs and every time I'm going to film those are on they're blasting all what are those songs uh you probably don't even know them but so it's by Falling anything by Falling in Reverse I'm like a sucker for like I [ __ ] love that band okay um so their new album is popular Monster I'll listen to like basically from the top down their song prequel is crazy it's like orchestral I'll listen to um Creed Higher can you take me higher like that song like I'm like bumping so I think like you can almost like set your mood with music whether it's driving to work it's almost like you just have to force yourself to listen to It's like you're forcing yourself to step in the to get in the ice bath yeah it's uncomfortable okay maybe you don't want to listen to anything but like get yourself feeling A vibe you know I think Vibe is so important and that gets me pumped and those are kind of a few things that I just do not every day but you know at least every week yeah how much do you know about the finances because I we've spoken with some people who like know it explicitly and other people who say B says he hasn't checked his bank account in years so I I check my bank account few times every few like a month every other month maybe I'm like looking at it and being like okay I got this much money or did this ad get paid you know most time I just ask my mom like did did they pay yes or no uh I know that I I pay myself as an employee I do that thing uh I pay quarterly taxes just because it's easier to keep up with there I have a CPA that does like full like they look through all my you know expenses and are writing a bunch of stuff off uh we have like direct deposit with paying employees I mean I don't that's like as far as I have I have a stock portfolio that I have like a like an adviser who we've done really well with okay um and I have a lot of like pretty safe stocks but I have a lot of money in stocks just for like long game a lot of municipal bonds um you have index funds I probably do but I just don't I don't I don't know what I have like truthfully do you have any interest in learning what you have I've started to have interest to where like now I'm on the calls but before it was just like my dad and the and the advisor and my mom being like this sounds like it's positive let's do it and we've seen positive gain on everything it's just been like the municipal bonds have been pretty are awful I don't know why munici I have no idea oh God what are they paying like five uh it depends on what the bond is I think it's just it's like kind of guaranteed it is and it's also is but you don't but you don't need it it seems like with your lifestyle and what you're making it's just like that is just you're young it's just extra because the way I am I'm like I have such C so much cash flow that I'm I'm a very like I I do everything for profit not like everything in life but like MoneyWise like I profit on everything if I don't profit maybe it's a video here and there that just like the garbage man like I I broke even whatever but like so many people have a structure of like oh I'm going to pour everything into it and I'm like what do like what do we do this for you do this for self- fulfillment uh make money and you know entertain people like so if I'm doing those three things like awesome if I'm not if if one of those three things is wrong like then yeah then there's a problem to my business um I have a lot of I have very good deals with my sponsors like longterm I feel like I'm I'm very good at negotiating I don't have a management I don't have an agent I have like agents that will come to me and take a percent of a deal they found you know they're like hey uh ice coffee hour has a a podcast they want to promote for 20 grand or whatever the hell it is and like oh sure like whatever we do and they take 10% but I have I have everyone under the son wants to manage me and stuff but like it's I just do it myself you know and it's it like I all my all my long-term deals I did myself I was on the phone I called the company I pitched myself I told them everything I could do you know I bring in money from my sponsors YouTube workout programs what the [ __ ] else in terms of percentages how would you allocate it h it it used to be very AdSense it still is but it's not it used to be like 60% to 70% now AdSense is like 40 cuz my the my deals that I get are are really good like the like gorilla mine and Jim shark so shout out you guys you keep the company going we love you but like you know not that's why Fitness is great because I can have a clothing company sponsor and I can have a supplement sponsor and you know it's like guaranteed 12 months I have a two-year deal with gorilla and it's like an amazing deal yeah I keep my team small uh because I'm not a manager I'm a YouTuber I'm an Entertainer I'm a strategist I'm a thumbnail conceptor I'm a scripter a writer uh bodybuilder Fitness connoisseur and a handsome man but like I'll hire within those things like if I really want to take things off my plate but pre-production I don't really like doing I don't want to have to like communicate to 25 people to show up to a shoot it's very stressful I've done it before um what else uh finances I I don't dive too deep in like all that like if I don't I don't really play with my money like we just do safe stuff because I'm just not trying to I I would do more things that can like you know make a much more uh percent than a municipal Bond let's say if I was involved in it more or if I was like I know what I'm doing so I'm going to do this but right now it's like I'm basically like hey let's just at least do something so there's no depreciating assets like or no depreciating money and like we're at least burning you know let's not waste money by letting it sit here so there's something happening I think I'll get more involved in it probably probably when YouTube slows down yeah if I ever need to though because that's the thing that like my business flourishes when I'm full my full focus is just on YouTube make the best videos pick the best ideas and everything goes up that's just like my the formula for me ad sense goes up views go up engagement goes up everything will be better if I do if I focus on this because that's my best role and that's what my skill is now if I start bringing in oh I have an editor I forgot to yeah I have an editor and an assistant editor so we have three people four if you count my mom um five if you count uh a cameraman like if you're counting them but I'm looking to build another team of editors my videos are getting really hard to make like I've realized this it's like a little documentary yeah it's it's getting really hard like I I this is my first time I missed an upload today for the first time in my life so it's not a big deal like we have a video where I I toured a bunch of celebrity Home Gyms and it's like 12 hours of footage we got someone to cut it to two but going from 2 to 30 minutes is still really hard in 2 hours is so the video is getting really intense could you post a 2 hour long video I don't know if I have the balls to do that 45 Ryan Tran did like the penny series and every video was like 10 minutes and then finally at the end he posted all of them together the same video and it po because the average view duration I think that there was a bit of a lull where back in the day when like David Do's Vlogs and like Logan Paul's Vlogs like the 4 minute to 8 minute to 12 minut podcast do better now people watch on TV yeah now anything over like an hour or two hours my goal my goal is to start making like 20 to 40 minute videos probably probably it'll probably be 25 to 30 let's be real 40 is [ __ ] hard like you got to film a lot and the stories got to not suck um so my goal is to make longer videos if we're going to stay at two a month make them longer so people really can like you know sit down and enjoy this like art you know this this piece of work that we that we constructed but if I get up to three videos it'll probably like 25 minute videos 20 25 and get another team of editors even if they're just part-time but have another editor another assistant editor to keep working on stuff because as stuff gets bigger like every year it gets bigger you know you got to just adapt to it and I want them to I want them to be able to like pour everything into it and not feel rushed you know like CU right now I'm like hey this I mean we're missing this week but like came Miss next week you know it's going up you know no matter what so if we can have people like really going crazy as a team on stuff and just make stuff amazing I think my my goal is to do that hire more editors um make should I always have two Shooters on a video a lot of times I'll do one but I feel like I'm starting to miss stuff without two and then I think that'll solve a big Pro not problem but that'll be a big relief having another team of editors because that's like the hardest thing is just getting these videos out my bandwidth to film like I can film a lot and I'm fine but it's like there's no point when we're not posting enough you know why would I go film four more videos if if I'm just G to start stacking them yeah like I just patient how has financial success affected your life honestly I mean it's like relieving you know know I can kind of do whatever I'd like you know like I'm thankful for that I can order food I can go on vacation if I have the time or whatever but um I really don't like Splurge like the most expensive thing I own is not I don't own it alone I own it with Claudia the house and then my home gym was like I've said I think I said this in the video it was like about 100 grand for the home gym 80 to 100 yeah that's like it's good r off yeah and like I dude I'm in this every day filming every day it's it's the best investment to me I'm like would I get a car or I get this I drive a [ __ ] Subaru like cars don't really make me happy I have one watch what watch do you have what is it oh [ __ ] Zenith uh Zenith something Zenith it's like brown I'll have to show you you know it's crazy the watch I wear all the time except for today Zenith El promero but I so I have 19 so I have a 1969 I have a 2018 for the 50th anniversary of it I D 2019 I might have that exact one I don't know I don't know I'm going say probably not oh is it a [ __ ] ton or sorry no no no it's not it's they only made 50 oh okay then yeah I don't have that okay I don't think that's so cool but yeah I yeah I I went to a store and I was like I just want to look I've never bought like crazy [ __ ] like that like maybe the biggest thing I like a wearable was like a $1,000 pair of shoe wasted my money [ __ ] that never wear them uh never do that again I wear the cheap shoes um but yeah I I went in and I was like this guy like the guy first of all I tried on a $300,000 watch without knowing it was totally a sales tactic he's like put I'm looking at it I have no idea look at a Galaxy bro and then he's like yeah that's $275,000 like oh I was like get this [ __ ] off my wrist cuz like I'm not responsible here and then but so then when I put on something else which uh I won't say how much but it was like drastically lower and I was like a this that's nothing man that's nothing so I'll get it because it's like a sales tactic you put on 300,000 anything below it I want to see it I'll show it to you after yeah it's it's it's really like CL I'm going to wear for my wedding too um but like I grew up uh I grew up like straight up middle class but my dad literally is an electrician plumber wood cutter like I'm like the dude's pretty blue collar so I learned and he and what with that I feel like I have the values of someone that grew up you know not worrying about money but like very money conscious you know very like financially conscious of don't waste your money you got to grind for your money you got to work for it you know like all of my dad's traits from growing up with nothing good chunk of them were passed on to me and like people always make fun of me because I be I'll be like can I get sparkling water and and I thought it was free once and and they were like dude that's going be like eight bucks oh they were like like it's $8 and I was like I was like [ __ ] that I don't want it anymore they're like really dude like it's 8 and I'm like I'm like I didn't know it was eight bucks I thought sparkling water was free and then and they're like bro it's eight bucks like shut up and I'm like because you know I have I have I can spend eight on water it's fine but in my head my initial thought is adds up is oh I don't want that and I'm like I've heard you I think you said like you don't buy the expensive coffees or something make them at home so it's like I'm the same way where I'm very frugal with my money I don't like to spend it and I feel like that's where I'm separate with other YouTubers where yes I do spend like $2 to $5,000 per video but I do everything in my power to keep that price as low as possible like I there like I fly I barely fly first class I had a phase where I did it for a little and then I was like my mom was booking the tickets and I was like wait mom how much are these and she's like oh it's like 800 and then I'm like [ __ ] that so now my producer books everything and so she sends me all the prices and I almost always pick the regular unless someone else is paying for it then we do Southwest dude I majority Fly Southwest I I I avoid spirit in Frontier though that that [ __ ] sucks what about your relationship what have you noticed has changed the last year or so I've definitely become more like conscious of life I def I make jokes all the time about my frontal lobe I don't know if it's right there maybe it is sure uh my frontal lobe developing I'm 24 yours probably developed like a year and a half ago or like a year ago it's probably like or you're still developing still developing but like it's a I think it's a really important factor to realize like it it like opened up my eyes to to the world of of what I really want to focus on and I feel I feel like slowing I used to do four four videos a month and then I went to two and I was like wow I basically cut my stress in half and it was like Blissful I was like holy [ __ ] as long as it's like is like a good move I'll continue you know and it has been but I've noticed that that allows me to be much more present Claudia is is a very much like put your phone down let's be present here like yeah we both scroll at night in times and [ __ ] like we're normal people but you know if I'm on my phone too much she'll be like hey like put your phone down just like look around and I'm like you know you're right and I Chuck that [ __ ] the wall um but like my relationship's just been better and better over time and I feel like as I've learned my priorities of life like before it was like YouTube or die now it's like YouTube and live and like I used to I used to easily be much more willing to sacrifice whatever the [ __ ] sacrifice happiness for Success on YouTube and now I'm just strategic with it I'm like you get to a point where like you don't you don't need to sacrif your happiness and like peace to be successful like I'm like I can just be smarter and and make better choices make bigger idea videos and we're fine so I feel like all that my life has become slightly more present slightly less stressful and more like life like I literally had a moment where I was like wow like this is what people do like they can like pay attention to the trees like what the [ __ ] cuz I feel like I lived in my head for like a few years and I my one of my biggest fears was being 30 and being like what happened and and not being not being able to say like oh dude glad I barely remember all that [ __ ] CU what I have now I'm like I think there's a way to do both sure you know at least like I feel I still think that I'm a little unpresented you only live once bro you know like when I'm 80 and I forget that I ever do YouTube you know I got to make sure I lived a great life I do I live my life to the fullest but I like I have to con I consciously think about that to do that it's not just like oh I just get to live a sick life like I got to think about what I'm doing you know and what's a question you wish more people would ask you I feel like it's not even just me but I think we all should ask people this stuff which is like how are you really doing I'm okay right now don't worry I'm not like depressed that sounds like I'm about to tell you I'm like dark I'm not um but I don't think people actually ask questions they want answers to I think they just say [ __ ] and I feel like people like I've learned like before when I was in that like just YouTube everything I really didn't think about maybe I should connect with people maybe I should like really get to know people it like didn't matter to me now it does like I genuinely enjoy deep conversations like whether we had a mic here and a camera or not like I I would love this conversation off camera but I think like that's why like when I talk to my friends I don't see often I try to be like like like how are you you but I'm not I don't want to I don't want to like dude I'm good how are you like no no no like I want to have a real conversation on how are you doing like dude I'm good but like you know my [ __ ] OCD has been driving me insane or I gained five pounds and I want to you know then it's a real active real conversation and I think that that would be awesome if people ask questions that they really wanted answers to and not just questions to just like talk that's interesting that reminds me of like are you listening or are you just waiting for chance to talk yeah another thing and I think I think that's one thing I try to do is like because I went through such a hard time in 2018 I always never wanted when someone's like telling me something to be like okay dude like when I when my grandma died it was like and I wouldn't be happy I'd be like oh yeah when my grandma died I had like I felt like this too it's like [ __ ] you it's not about you you know listen and be like dude I'm I'm so sorry like that's all you need to say you don't have to be saying these big things or making it about yourself and it's not that I hate when someone does that but I'm like like like I think you were waiting for like waiting for a moment to talk like you got that idea to talk about your grandma like 30 seconds ago you know you see it click you see them like thinking trying to conure up what they but that's why that's why I think real real like the people that I that I continuously to you know I meet them I hang out with them or you know like I'm friends I want them in my videos and stuff like I don't just have people to meet in my videos because I'm like yo I want you in my video cuz you're famous like [ __ ] that I'll go find Joe shimo that just looks like you like I I don't care about that but like if I like you as a person and I'm like and you'd fit this great like come on let's go let's have a good time it's almost like back in the day I feel like I'd be like oh let's film with anybody anybody like just get my name out there which was a great tactic to begin with but then I get eventually I could get more selective like well they're not my friends like if I'm if I'm not really your friend like you know like I don't like I want like I was fine with having you guys here because I was like I I feel like we'll have a good conversation you know I don't mind you coming here but if but if you were someone that I watched and I was like like I've had podcast hit me up and they're like I'll come to you and I'm like I just don't want to be on your podcast dude like it gets views but I don't want to be on your podcast like I just don't I don't relate to you and I don't want to have to fake relating to you thank you for coming on the show seriously appreciate it you've welcomed us into your beautiful home what a gym really it is incredible love I love it I'm I'm very it is a little bit in the middle of I I know it is but you know makes flights suck trust me oh my go we can imagine yeah BWI it's the airport nearby or you go to IAD or like DC DCA which is like DC it's either an hour and a half Uber or Drive I just hate driving uh or 30-minute Uber 30 minutes great but it's way less options of flying yeah that was the issue with our flight was it it was so expensive it was double the flight flying out 30 minutes from here then driving all the way to DC and then having a layover on top of you got to go to Miami zero State we got W this up we got this don't go that he'll just go on that Spiel and it'll be another hour guys thank you for watching and of course stay Relentless I love you all tell them to subscribe and please subscribe to this podcast Channel and Graham's Channel and Jesse's channel do you have a channel no ice 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